20 Ways Pokémon Gym Leaders Used to be COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

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  • Опубликовано: 3 дек 2024

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  • @HoopsandHipHop
    @HoopsandHipHop  3 года назад +25

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    • @tommygalarian-slowbro9745
      @tommygalarian-slowbro9745 3 года назад +1

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    • @tommygalarian-slowbro9745
      @tommygalarian-slowbro9745 3 года назад +1

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    • @juanca2567
      @juanca2567 3 года назад +1

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  • @Demon5942
    @Demon5942 3 года назад +75

    “Lavender town is the next town over from Celadon”
    Saffron City: Am I a joke to you?

    • @xrossplayxino
      @xrossplayxino 3 года назад +1

      This.

    • @primorock8141
      @primorock8141 3 года назад +3

      He probably made that mistake because of the Underground Tunnel. Once you reach Lavender you go straight Celadon

  • @Jack-sy8mr
    @Jack-sy8mr 3 года назад +56

    So Skylor was supposed to be “caring older sister” + “sexy”
    Uhh.....?

  • @PlayrR3D156
    @PlayrR3D156 3 года назад +4

    1st) Blaine went from military man to Dr. Eggman
    2nd)I love how the Pokémon adventures manga incorporates both of Blaine's looks.

  • @aedge622
    @aedge622 3 года назад +20

    I always assumed Erika was just kinda tossing the ball into the air

  • @billykepner4938
    @billykepner4938 3 года назад +39

    As for the bug catching contest after bugsy’s gym, I figured that was so you could catch bugs after seeing scyther in battle.

  • @SilverJakler
    @SilverJakler 3 года назад +10

    They probably didn't want to have two supernatural styled Gym Leaders in one region, so maybe that's why Erika got changed from a Ghost type Gym Leader to Grass Type? But, a piece of trivia that connects with this theory is that her Ace Pokemon, Vileplume, is based on the Rafflesia arnoldii, otherwise known as the "Corpse" flower due to it's foul smell. Probably a coincidence but still a pretty neat one in my opinion.

    • @cactneir
      @cactneir 3 года назад

      Ya didn't Erika specialize in grass/poison types?

    • @weisscircal3748
      @weisscircal3748 3 года назад

      Well that and the only Ghost types we had back then were the Gastly line.

  • @dreamnoteprincess0814
    @dreamnoteprincess0814 3 года назад +33

    This was interesting to learn about. I know you think Blue could be Red, but I think Blue could've been the female character that was cut in the original games (and then came back in Let's GO) since her Japanese name is Blue.

    • @ashtonoak4370
      @ashtonoak4370 3 года назад +3

      Yea but im this we think blue is a male because green is the female especially rhe manga

    • @ashmander3465
      @ashmander3465 8 дней назад

      Atleast we finally see the real blue in let's go (after you get Mewtwo). And not the identity theft commiting fraud green oak that we see more

  • @primorock8141
    @primorock8141 3 года назад +6

    I’ve now realise that you are one of the few RUclipsrs that actually match your avatar

  • @WarmLillie
    @WarmLillie 3 года назад +39

    Lillie: “Hmm... I would have taken gym battle and earning badges than trials and getting Z-crystal.”

    • @pikazacian242
      @pikazacian242 3 года назад +5

      Really?! I liked the Island Challenges better

    • @WarmLillie
      @WarmLillie 3 года назад +1

      @@pikazacian242 Same here

    • @kayleighbrown459
      @kayleighbrown459 3 года назад +1

      When did Lillie say that?

    • @WarmLillie
      @WarmLillie 3 года назад +1

      @@kayleighbrown459 Me Lillie lol

    • @pikazacian242
      @pikazacian242 3 года назад +2

      @@kayleighbrown459 I don't think she did

  • @lordfreezer5631
    @lordfreezer5631 3 года назад +4

    The reason behind Blaine's designs change is that the sprite we know now was at the beginning the sprite of the Silph Spa chief. From the leaked betas we know that the Silph Spa was supposed to have a bigger role in the plot helping the team Rocket and being an evil organization itself with "Blaine" as a mad scientist like character maybe. But then they wanted the games to be less dark so Silph Spa became a good organization attacked by the team Rocket and the chief's design was passed to the gym leader Blaine for some reason, most likely because there was already Surge with a military themed design and having two characters with the same theme wasn't a good choice so they changed Blaine I think

    • @Ness-op2uy
      @Ness-op2uy 3 года назад

      Yeah Blaine felt always kinda shady to me.

  • @darien0extreme
    @darien0extreme 3 года назад +14

    Blaine has the same artwork apparence in the anime too

  • @AlexxPokemonnTrainer
    @AlexxPokemonnTrainer 3 года назад +2

    Love these kinds of videos. I'm such a big fan of Pokemon and just when you think you know it all, more and more info comes to light. Please do more videos like these

  • @dragoon1090
    @dragoon1090 3 года назад +12

    I personally think misty being an elite four member would have been so cool.

    • @mewtwo150clone
      @mewtwo150clone 3 года назад +2

      Legit the only gen 1 gym leader that gives me trouble, with or without typ advantage

    • @kbinsobeih
      @kbinsobeih 3 года назад

      Would’ve been great for her to be an E4 member in Johto since Lorelie is her role model.

    • @N12015
      @N12015 3 года назад

      Instead of you don't know, the G-Articuno guy I don't remember his name due to how forgettable he is.

  • @kannan07
    @kannan07 3 года назад +24

    Wasn't the Blaine in the anime just like the early design?

    • @ZombieBarioth
      @ZombieBarioth 3 года назад +9

      Yes he was, he also wore a toupee as a "disguise" and had a fondness for riddles, so anime Blaine was like a mix of the two.

    • @kannan07
      @kannan07 3 года назад

      @@ZombieBarioth hmmmmm, okay

  • @penyt2552
    @penyt2552 3 года назад +4

    5:18 in the leak you talked about there was meant to be 9 gym leaders, so that kid was most likely a Pallet Town leader, also his badge looks like sabrinas

  • @SamRegan610
    @SamRegan610 3 года назад +7

    My theory on who the lost Gym leader "Blue" could be is actually who we now know as Green from Let's Go. In Japan, your rival is actually named Green instead of Blue, so they could have introduced Green a whole six generations earlier than she was. Either that, or she could be Leaf from FRLG

  • @LucyKosaki
    @LucyKosaki 3 года назад +2

    now I wanna see beta skyla, I bet fanarts would've been wild, haha

  • @devonteedwards2093
    @devonteedwards2093 3 года назад +5

    Wow, misty and geovanni was part of the elite 4, now that would be something awesome

  • @catriamflockentanz
    @catriamflockentanz 3 года назад +4

    15:03 What's with her cords in this screencap?

  • @kayleighbrown459
    @kayleighbrown459 3 года назад +3

    I've a theory.
    I don't think Erica was supposed to be a ghost type gym type leader. I think she was supposed to be the Psychic type gym leader. The psychic gym leaders are always depicted with poke balls floating around them and she's hovering one in her hands. In contrast, Sabrina's sprite from Red and Blue is depicted holding a whip, which isn't an unusual sight in Red and Blue, but doesn't have much of anything to do with the psychic types.
    I'm also wondering if maybe she was originally supposed to use ground types since flying types was taken up by Giovani. But when they changed it, they had to move some stuff around. Or she may have just been the grass type leader. IDK. That might explain why her badge is called the marsh badge.

    • @ZombieBarioth
      @ZombieBarioth 3 года назад +1

      Erika's original design is in line with the channelers in Lavender tower, and since they're all supposed to be possessed the idea was probably that Erika being head priestess was more in control and using the spirit's powers to manipulate the ball.
      I think you're on to something with Sabrina though. Koga despite being the poison type gym leader has mostly psychics in his gym, so it may have been Sabrina who was originally supposed to be the leader of Fuchsia gym and in charge of the safari zone. That would explain both the gym trainers and her originally having a whip.
      That suggests psychic types were a late edition, which makes sense given how unbalanced they were. The two types may have even been one at some point like in the TCG.

    • @kayleighbrown459
      @kayleighbrown459 3 года назад

      @@ZombieBarioth
      Ah. Yes. I like that idea. It makes sense.

  • @EzRida04
    @EzRida04 3 года назад +13

    He used footage from HeartGold and SoulSilver. They are gen 4 games. Diamond and Pearl are gen 4 games!
    OH MY GOD!!!! SINNOH CONFIRMED!

  • @TsuriaDragon
    @TsuriaDragon 3 года назад +2

    It’s these kind of Videos I love seeing what could of been for the Pokémon world makes me excited for this February for Pokémon Anniversary

  • @originofcomics4973
    @originofcomics4973 3 года назад +5

    Love your channel
    Interesting content as usual
    👍🏻😎👍🏻

  • @rainbowdragon168
    @rainbowdragon168 3 года назад +7

    Erika should’ve been a Ghost type gym leader instead of Grass type because it sounded like a good idea.

    • @rainbowdragon168
      @rainbowdragon168 3 года назад +1

      @Falcon Shadow NovaI think so but it didn’t happen as it was what she was going to be before

  • @TheForeverRanger
    @TheForeverRanger 3 года назад +3

    That Blaine artwork is his appearance in the anime.

  • @fatuusdottore
    @fatuusdottore 3 года назад +1

    I wish Erika would have stayed a Ghost-type leader, and that Misty and Giovanni would’ve been Elite 4 members.

  • @rahullal8324
    @rahullal8324 3 года назад +2

    This art of Blane was also shown in the anime

  • @bastionsea2829
    @bastionsea2829 3 года назад +2

    The trials had already been used in the anime. Orange Islands

  • @BBMacsWorld
    @BBMacsWorld 3 года назад +2

    I actually didn't know that Cilain, Chilli and Cress were triplets. I thought Cilain was the oldest and chilli and cress were the middle and youngest child.Shows how much i know about gen 5 😂

  • @goldenboy1805
    @goldenboy1805 3 года назад +6

    Celadon city is not next to Lavender Town. Saffron was. Although the three are nearby to each other.

  • @EternityinOurHearts316
    @EternityinOurHearts316 3 года назад +1

    You didn't mention that Blaine even has his old look like in the anime too.

  • @sagacious03
    @sagacious03 3 года назад

    Neat video! Thanks for uploading!

  • @APDS-Akin
    @APDS-Akin 3 года назад

    ~6:17 it would've been symbolic to see Lt.Surge as #4/8 considering how I once read (I'm not sure if it still holds up) electric types are apparently the most 'well balanced' type in the series

  • @chrispyynugget1537
    @chrispyynugget1537 3 года назад

    Some notes:
    The original first gym leader seems to have shifted to being the youngster class in Gen 1 instead.
    Chuck being in the lake of rage would still be awkward because you'd have to pass by Pryce the 7th gym leader overall. With the way we have it now, if you did the gym leaders in the order they are listed. It wouldn't be so awkward as you challenge Chuck, go back to Olivine to battle Jasmine, cut through Ecruteak and go to Mahogany Town to battle Pryce, whereas the original order it was intended would have you going from the lake of rage, all the way to Olivine city and then all the way back to Mahogany, making it inconvenient and tedious.

  • @nicolasarroyo1746
    @nicolasarroyo1746 3 года назад

    Maybe first gym leader was assigned the scrapped Bird-Type, he has a Farfetch'd in his team as his ace
    Also, he appears alongside Giovanni so they're not the same person
    The most interesting thing is Blaine was assigned the Silph Chief sprite, maybe he was going to be a minor antagonist. Also in R/G Beta there is a Trainer Tower that is the most epic dungeon as it has ALL the gym leaders and trainer classes, also has Prof. Oak

  • @brycevo
    @brycevo 3 года назад +3

    so much from the 1st and 2nd gen

  • @Saviarai-Dravolika
    @Saviarai-Dravolika 3 года назад

    Well.. That's why Giovanni was originally planned to be a Flying type gym leader instead of Ground! Well, his badge, the Earth Badge looks like a feather. And looking at the Johto gym leaders, Falkner _is_ a Flying gym leader!

  • @talldarkandsam
    @talldarkandsam 3 года назад

    10:40 That would've been a big cause of ragequitting. Imagine the horrors it (MILTANK) would have brought to us back then.

  • @emred4653
    @emred4653 3 года назад

    Giovani being elite 4 would be nice tbh.

  • @TheSlipperyNUwUdle
    @TheSlipperyNUwUdle 3 года назад +1

    I’ve been into Pokémon for twenty years and played most of the games halfway through and had no idea who Elessa was. Hahaha

  • @MarissaOfUnderground
    @MarissaOfUnderground 3 года назад

    More evidence Erika may have once been a Ghost-type gym leader: she is the 4th gym in the lineup. And, with 4 being the "death number" in Japanese and Chinese culture, it makes even more since she was originally meant to be a Ghost-type gym leader.

  • @TheDarkFuryKnight
    @TheDarkFuryKnight 3 года назад

    I think that it is possible that she was a ghost type gym leader but her rainbow badge seems to be a problem except it might not be because it could be base on the rainbow bridge from norse mythology.

  • @APDS-Akin
    @APDS-Akin 3 года назад

    4:28-5:06 *maybe* the influence of the manga was a factor..'dated spoiler': the Gen. I stuff is covered in the first ~90 chapters of the 'Pokemon adventures' manga.
    There is a part in which after former Rocket related gym leaders (like Koga) beat 'the then' villians 'the [Kanto] Elite four'^1 by the time a protagonist named 'Amarillo' pops up (corresponding w/the release time of the 'Pokemon yellow' edition), Koga and Bruno decided to hang out together after the Elite four's scheme was foiled. Them hanging out together for whatever reason I'd think might be covered in the manga once 'Gold' rolls around for the Gen.II stuff -- Misty and Giovanni become 1/2 of the Gen.II elite four would've been an interesting alternative `_`
    (who here are less top-tier athletic commitee and more like top-tier clique w/an agenda like 'N's' in Gen. IV but pre-dating ~+15 yrs
    ___
    6:35-7:12 again, maybe the manga *and animes* influence was at play.

  • @wisethinker1748
    @wisethinker1748 3 года назад +1

    Great vid!

  • @TickedOffPriest
    @TickedOffPriest 3 года назад

    Blaine is a master of disguise.

  • @Shishizurui
    @Shishizurui 3 года назад

    I used to think Erika was supposed to by Psychic Sabrina's art in the original game she uses a whip and looks bizzare because it doesn't fit who she is.
    . OMG i love old jasmine's art shes adorable.

  • @pikazacian242
    @pikazacian242 3 года назад

    I subbed a few days ago Hoops! I also liked the video!

  • @billykepner4938
    @billykepner4938 3 года назад +1

    Apparently my phone wants me to watch this new video, opened in my back pocket.

  • @WarmLillie
    @WarmLillie 3 года назад +2

    These small changes would be really alter the complete game.

  • @ThorneDarkrose13
    @ThorneDarkrose13 3 года назад

    The original design for blaine ended up being his anime design i believe.

  • @hhjan594
    @hhjan594 3 года назад

    Pretty sure "Blue" in the GS beta was never the Blue we know right now because that person is known as "Green" in Japanese (even to date). Don't forget that Pokemon Blue was the third version in Japan, so Oak's grandson is known as Green in Japan. For this logic, I doubt this "Blue" is actually Red because he should be called Red for the same reason as Oak's grandson. It could be the missing third trainer from Pallet town (That girl Known as Green in LGPE or Leaf in PMM), it's just the sprite wasn't finished yet so they used Red's sprite as a placeholder. They were planning to add a female player character for the second generation, after all.

  • @noisegamer4252
    @noisegamer4252 3 года назад

    Oooooooh so your the one who created some great Pokémon music I knew the artist was familiar

  • @CallMeFreakFujiko
    @CallMeFreakFujiko 3 года назад

    I was so confused when I saw the Blaine from the anime looking so different from the games. When I saw the BETA form of Blaine I was like "OH." Thinking back to the anime some questions are answered when you realize that the anime was probably being made during development of the first games. Ho-Oh was planned to be in Red/Green but was dropped so they probably dropped whatever plot they had for that and that's why we never saw Ho-Oh again until the reboot.
    So now my question is, why take that gamble? It worked out but taking in Pokemon was already a gamble since so many companies rejected it until Nintendo accepted it for the Gameboy.
    Anyway, I'm mostly just satisfied that I finally got my answer to "why the hell do they look so different?"

  • @RandomPopcultureNewsFreak
    @RandomPopcultureNewsFreak 3 года назад

    Nice video once again hoops .Oh man did not know that the beta artwork sprite for blaine had 2 more secret hddent beta artworks too!=O Awesome stuff man!Also HAHA man glad that in the lets go eeevee pikachu games they redesigned the Giovanni's Earth badge to look more like a rocky ground type looking badge instead of a flying type badge!!OMG i'm so dang glad that they did not cute out one out of the 2 waifu girls i love the most from gen 2 gold silver and the Remakes for pokemon heartgold and soul silver Clair and Karen! Man that would of frustrated me so much if they would of done that since dark steel(and sometimes dragon ) types are my all time favorite rare type of elemental pokemon types of all time (with ice and electric being my 4th and fifth favorite pokemon typings) And 2 new other 2 my 2 other favorite waifu anime and game girls from Pokemon Black and white 1 and 2 Elesea and Skyla were going to have different back stories and designs OMG man glad they kept them the same (except for Elesea her black white 2 design is beautiful and so dang S3xy lol) So i guess that gives me a lot more reasoning and a better explanation and understanding why their is so much extra lewds and R34 fan art for Skyla HAHAHA oldschool Lol ROFL man I mean i know those perve sites have all the pokemon girls (and sometimes guys too) have them in so many R ule 34 seductive hot poses lol now i understand it better with skyla but didn't know she was suppose to have an older caring big sister sort of vibe and connection with the player (wish game freak and pokemon company would of left that in) oh well hoops hopefully way after we are done getting Diamond and Pearl gen 4 remakes in another 4 or 8 or 10 something years from now when we get Gen 5 pokemon Black and white remake remasters we can get that new info for future Skyla added to her back round story !

  • @unwithering5313
    @unwithering5313 3 года назад

    So Red, the champion becomes a gym leader while Misty becomes an elite four member in the spaceworld demo; sounds a bit strange to me, is it because despite being a champion he hasn't been at it for that long or something like that?

  • @mewthreeraven
    @mewthreeraven 3 года назад

    We were robbed of an Ara Ara Onee-Chan Skyla?!?!?!

  • @ajtriforcegamerofhyrule8538
    @ajtriforcegamerofhyrule8538 3 года назад

    Red in the pokemon adventures manga wanted to be a gym leader so maybe that's where it can be from

  • @ChupeTTe
    @ChupeTTe 3 года назад

    Blaine looked like Tarkin back in the days

  • @jojochaves4570
    @jojochaves4570 3 года назад

    HEY HOOPS AND HIP HOP I SAW YOUR POKÉMON CANADA I LOVED IT CAN U MAKE ONE BASED ON TEXES

  • @red7596
    @red7596 3 года назад

    Ilima and Mina Switched in Sun and Moon

  • @ImyIsStillHere
    @ImyIsStillHere Год назад

    Kanto and Univa With a side of Alola and Johto

  • @trapnl1241
    @trapnl1241 3 года назад +3

    Egg

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    @Falchanco 3 года назад +1

    I was curious about the ridge wallet then i saw the price, too much for a wallet even with the discount

  • @loungingpotatoe990
    @loungingpotatoe990 3 года назад

    If Whitney became the second leader... We. Are. Screwed.

  • @amygardiner742
    @amygardiner742 3 года назад

    it would be good if Giovanni and misty a Elite 4 that is awsome

  • @golden_polonia
    @golden_polonia 3 года назад

    Just to inform: Typhoon was not a titan. Titans were children of Gaea and Uranus or children of other Titans. Typhoon is son of Gaea and Tartarus and he is the first monster and father of monster. Calling him a titan is very wrong, because he is only related to them by mother and nothing more. They're completely different in appearance, abilities and many other cases. So I hope this comment will help you with not making this mistake again. Have a nice day

  • @minermole101
    @minermole101 3 года назад +4

    So, Skyla was supposed to be "sexier"? What?
    Also, interesting to see that artists aren't the only ones to give input to official art, which I guess makes sense. I'm saying this in the context of Elsea (or however you spell her name).

  • @APDS-Akin
    @APDS-Akin 3 года назад

    'Lost' beta Pokemon and Gym leaders..enough accumulated 'editing room cuts' at this point you would think it wouldn't be 'too much' of a struggle to weave them into the stories and trigger ppl to disparage stuff being rehashed in Pokemon 'potentially' for 'all the right reasons' ;I -- all those Gens 11:30-11:50 until dark type gym leaders were officially a thing; Piers and Marnie over Nanu (technically)

  • @APDS-Akin
    @APDS-Akin 3 года назад

    5:20-5:50 *not* Hanma xD

  • @Taydar
    @Taydar 3 года назад

    Interesting

  • @BBMacsWorld
    @BBMacsWorld 3 года назад

    I see someone is growing a stache to go with their beard! 😅

  • @Sunshine.LeBron23
    @Sunshine.LeBron23 3 года назад

    VENOMENON!!!!!

  • @CrustyDoormat
    @CrustyDoormat 3 года назад +1

    Just assumptions and theories everywhere, presented as facts.

    • @DayFlounder
      @DayFlounder 3 года назад

      Half of them are facts

    • @CrustyDoormat
      @CrustyDoormat 3 года назад

      @@DayFlounder so 10 of the 20 facts are facts?...

  • @miguelrg0503
    @miguelrg0503 3 года назад

    Umm actually lavender town is two towns over

  • @xRaymond9250
    @xRaymond9250 3 года назад

    Lavender and Celadon being next to each other??
    What the fuck is Saffron them?

  • @bibarel5097
    @bibarel5097 3 года назад

    Cool!!..

  • @feeffs
    @feeffs 3 года назад +1

    Confirm if ur early here
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  • @mewtwo150clone
    @mewtwo150clone 3 года назад

    Skyla, a sexy caring sister 👀

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    @lordjs9726 3 года назад +1

    Awesome video, but crappy sponsor.

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    @peter-mickey-chu198 3 года назад +2

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  • @Cinder-bq1ms
    @Cinder-bq1ms 3 года назад

    Hi

  • @wllowwsp496
    @wllowwsp496 3 года назад

    9th comment

  • @Ch3ckster
    @Ch3ckster 3 года назад

    2 views 3 likes why