Buddhism has just been reduced to anti-Brahmin thought. But it shaped Hindu reforms too
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What happened to Buddhism in the land of its birth? Colonial officials thought it had been forgotten by degenerate, superstitious medieval Indians. To Jawaharlal Nehru, it had been absorbed by an accommodative Hinduism. To BR Ambedkar, it had been violently extinguished by Brahminism. The right answer to the question is “all of the above”, but also, in a way, none of the above. Anirudh Kanisetti explains.
Sources:
Holt, Sree Padma, and Anthony W. Barber, eds. Buddhism in the Krishna River Valley of Andhra. State University of New York Press, 2008.
Kulke, Hermann, Krishnasamy Kesavapany, and Vijay Sakhuja, eds. Nagapattinam to Suvarnadwipa: reflections on the Chola naval expeditions to Southeast Asia. Institute of Southeast Asian Studies, 2009.
Ray, Himanshu P. “Nagapattinam Bronzes in Context: Cultural Routes and Transnational Maritime Heritage.” CSMVS Research Journal, 2019, 22-31.
Ober, Douglas. Dust on the throne: the search for Buddhism in modern India. Stanford University Press, 2023.
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Ambedkar main intention was assimilation and to shed stigmatized identity and he didn't want to create a separate identity which is dalit as stigma attached to that
Budhism was happy in india, But they did not had the army to defend the Mughals and they lost afganisthan and bangladesh .
@@jaycdpbecause they practice ahimsa
Not just Buddhism. There is a concerted effort to make every ideology nothing more than anti-brahminism.
maybe because bra-mans just oppress vast majoirty of people
It was anti-Brahmin anyway
It’s reality even sikhism born anti brahmin ideology.
@@grapeshott From a Brahmin perspective, anything is anti Brahmin but in fact its anti-bad to be precise. Buddha defied traditions itself, let it be any tradition, if it teaches something bad it should not be followed just because it is a tradition.
Do not simply believe what you hear just because you have heard it for a long time.
Do not follow tradition blindly merely because it has been practised in that way for many generations.
Do not be quick to listen to rumours.
Do not confirm anything just because it agrees with your scriptures.
Do not foolishly make assumptions.
Do not abruptly draw conclusions by what you see and hear.
Do not be fooled by outward appearances.
Do not hold on tightly to any view or idea just because you are comfortable with it.
Do not accept as fact anything that you yourself find to be logical.
Do not be convinced of anything out of respect and deference to your spiritual teachers.
You ou should go beyond opinion and belief. You can rightly reject anything which when accepted, practised and perfected leads to more aversion. more craving and more delusion. They are not beneficial and are to be avoided.
Conversely, you can rightly accept anything which when accepted and practised leads to unconditional love, contentment and wisdom. These things allow you time and space to develop a happy and peaceful mind.
-Buddha
after a lot of debates // i came to the conclusion that both are same // prominent buddhist scholars like nagarjuna , ashvaghosha , nagasena , dharmakirti etc etc are majorly brahmins // infact buddhism is dominated by brahmin scholars as compared to hinduism because in hinduism you still find rishi valmiki , sant ravidas and many more who are of lower castes // but as we all know politics works on fault lines if you dont have one then create one .
BS None of them are Brahmins, The Brahman Sect did not exist till 10th century, India was a Buddhist civilisation and Buddhist use to call Buddhist Monks as Baman and Shaman (बमन / शमण ). It is only after 12-13th century the iranian migrants who had learnt of Buddhist teachings also tried introducing their own stuff with the help of Islamic invaders who reused all the words from Buddhism and started calling themselves "Brahman". All the scholors who you mentioned above never said any things about your Brahma, Parvati , Shiva or Indra. Why are they alll writing about Buddhism. Not a single foreign traveller Weather Megasthenes or HuenTzang or the rest over 56 Travellers ever mentioned a word about Hinduism or Brahminism. This is because Brahminism and the caste Brahman didnt exist. You hindu texts are written only after 13th century. This is because the language required to write Classical sanskrit documents like Vedas, Ramayana, Mahabharata, Purana etc.. cannot be written before the invention of classical Sanskrit itself. And classical Sanskrit evolved from an earlier language called BHS (Buddhist Hybrid Sanskrit). BHS itself evolved from Pali. Sanskrit being 5000 yrs old is a myth propagated by The caste Brahman of today. Who is trying today to establish itself prior to Buddha and Indus civilisation , but the archeology speaks otherwise. All we find is buddhist relics and Bodhisatvas in temples and architecture and not a single Vishnu, Brahma , Shiva etc... Brahman even started calling Buddhist Votive Stupas as Shivas Phallus. It was degenerated by the Iranian Migrants who started calling himself Brahman.
@@adruvitpandit5816 bhai saste nashe mtt kiya krr // buddha has to know the vedas before rejecting them // doesnt he 🤔
@@adruvitpandit5816 comment krne se pehle thoda pad liya krr jahil // as a matter of fact megasthenes and hieun tsang both have mentioned about hindu dieties as well as hinduism
@@adruvitpandit5816 which weed do you use ?
@@adruvitpandit5816 i will give you one more fact mr whasapp // thai buddhists also worship hindu dieties // hindu dieties are also shown in japanese buddhism // tantric buddhism is also based on hindu tantric sect // keep crying and inventing new myths to cope 😂😂
Ambedkar's 22 vows are definite proof that Ambedkar didn't learn anything about Buddhism. Thank God he didn't convert into militant or missionary faiths..
Ambedkar didn't convert into Islam, Sikh, and Christianity as he had seen that these religions are now following casteism even though their religions ' s tenets do not support it. There are roman catholic Brahmins who feel that they are superior than dalit converts and they have seperate church, mosques and Dalits sikh are not assimilated much. Even though their religion advocate for egalitarian but they still practice. That is why dalits are not converting into Christianity in droves despite offering inducement and it doesn't help them to shed their dalit identity and segregation they face
Cow worshipper
@@Kim-ej2xm u know what happened when printers were introduced u know theres are 'sme' who say that arabs are true islamic principle followers i aint lying its true
@@xenon_59 Fake mleccha god worshipper
@@Kim-ej2xmhe didn't because they were inferior religions, as simple as that.
You are following Goutham siddarth, he became Buddha after enlightenment. Your Buddha is like a drop in Hindu ocean. There were thousands of bhudda in Hinduism
Hinduism never existed....it's just a transformed form of Vajrayana Buddhism.....you have stolen Bodhisattvas and made it so called gods and goddesses 😂😂😂...do research....
@@RKgaming-do9ts leave Omkar, moksha concept, and do whatever you want. Even buddist chant Om. Dhayna is a yogic practice leave that as well
Andhabhakta
@@manjunathahindi5956 insulting? I am a Ram bhakt. You May be pappu bhakt?
@@manjunathahindi5956 insulting? I am a Ram bhakt. You May be pappu bhakt?
I don't understand why all the blame is always accorded to Bramhins. Forget what must have happened centuries back, look at today's India, who are the people at the forefront of dalit atrocities, they are the Rajputs, Jats, Patidars, Marathas, Naidus, and all other non bramhin upper castes of India. Why do people like you have to blame only the Brahmins for degradation of Buddhism, people in no society be it today's or ancient are not fools. Did you try to figure out the discrepancies in Buddhism, how it was practised, what were it's drawbacks which led to it's downfall. Just don't keep those books by your side. Probe into it impartialially you will yourself find the reasons of downfall of Buddhism in India. Just don't go by today's fad of blaming all the wrongs done in the past on Brahmins. Try and be honest.
Can you tell the drawbacks of buddhism?
They cannot make history who forgot history.
Brahmins created brahminism. Buddha is against to this system. imagine how worst the system is.
We should promote budhdism in bangladesh and bihar and swat valley of pakistan and revive
Fully agreed sir
No thank you. We don't want to face the consequences of Tibetans and Afghans who were predominantly Buddhists once upon a time. Buddhists can't fight.
Why not in UP? Where caste is deep rooted in society
@@anujsethi7845that is a problem you are using Buddhism to fight with Vedic Dharma, go and read upnishad then realise how great is our dharma.
did you read what you have written? do you know the punishment for leaving islam?
1. Adi Sankaracharya destoryed the theology.
2.Lost patronage by Kings.
3.Turks invasion put last nails on the coffins
4.People realised you cant follow Non Violence when you are attacked by invaders.left idealism for realism..
Hinduism is no different from islam. Sankara didn’t destroy Buddhism. He is nothing in front of the great Buddha. He simply copied Buddhism made a few changes here and there.
@@yj9032 Bhimta.. original Buddhist of Sri Lanka,Tibet, Myanmar and Thailand don't even spit on you..go and bark somewhere else..
@@yj9032 Bhimtaa 0riginal budhist of Bodhgaya,Tibet,Sri Lanka Myanmar, Thailand tere pe thukte bhi nahi h..kahin aur jake bhonk .Mera time waste mat kar.saala pichle 50-70 sal se bana Naya Naya Bhimtaa..
"Non Violence when you are attacked by invaders" go and tell that one to the Rohingyas. Adi Sankaracharya destoryed nothing...
Today's neobuddhist(Bhimtas) dosen't follow any teachings of mahatma buddha they are just following a new cult started by ambedkar that is Navayana/bhimyana. They are tarnishing the image of buddha and buddhism by spreading unnecessary anger and hatred towards hinduism and brahmins.
28/12/2023 Thursday 06:17PM
Bhimta was in mahabharat, 5th husband of draupati.😂
@@SirisenaDhammarakhita instead of responding you started showing your gutterchhap class although it's not your mistake bhimte your upbringing is like that so what should anyone can expect from you people.
31/12/2023 Sunday 09:07PM
@@Nileshpandey0907 I knew what upbringing you get your sadatani parents, hating other religions. But it is not your mistake, it is gutterchhap teachings of your traditions.😂
@@Nileshpandey0907Read Tvejja sutta in which buddha opposed ur nonsense vedas and called it worthless; read Asslyana sutta in which buddha criticized brahmins and opposed caste; read Upali sutta again in which buddha opposed caste and includes those community members who were according to brahmins were regarded as impure; read kuttadanta sutta in which buddha opposed brahmins for doing animal sacrifice. Lol. 😂. Buddha was very anti brahmin. U ramtas dont read anything, u consider ur mythologies and fake gods as true. Lol. Buddha opposed gods, soul, heaven, hell etc and considered it to be supersitious. U ramtas believes in all such supersitious things. Lol. U claim buddha coz buddhism is spread all across world and ur brahmanism failed to due to rampant casteism. 😂. So u r desperate to make buddha as part of ur fold. Lol😂😂😂 When infact buddha was like Dr Ambedkar who was born in vedic tradition but later kicked it. 😂
HaRam 😂 Manuda talking about Buddhism. Gaumutra effect. 😂😂 🤣🤣🤣
Isn't Adi Shankaracharya the main reason for declining of Buddhism in India. Not many scholarly works mention him and his conquests through debates on Buddhists and patron kings and how that led to the decline of Buddhism as after defeat the patron kings and scholars had to accept Hinduism. Adi Shankaracharya's debates are very well known in folklore but historians just mention it as Brahmin hegemony over Buddhism
Shankaracharya wasnt the one who razed Nalanda to the ground or the one who defaced the Bamiyan Buddha. As usual Kanisetti is an expert in ignoring the elephamt in the room while talking about medieval India...
Not really. There is no historical proof for this except Advaita hagiographies themselves which naturally praise him. Buddhists have rarely mentioned him. If Adi Shankaracharya would have really had any big influence, Buddhists would have fiercely criticise him. There is just one rare Chinese text that says he was defeated by Acharya Dharmakirti. And in later Shastras his philosophy is mentioned in brief while Kumarila Bhatta prominently featured in Buddhist Shastras along side Nyaya Philosphy. Madhaviya Shankara Digvijayam also don't mention any debate whatsoever with any respectable Bauddha Acharya
No proofs of Adi Shankara defeated any of Buddhist scholars.
@@SirisenaDhammarakhita 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂then whom he defeated in north india, your dada?
@@ishaanrohmetra3447come with evidence instead of mocking
Whenever this guy uses the word "possibly" , viewer beware that he is saving his academic reputation while simultaneously offering dubious personal opinion to influence you...
Wonderful
Everyone has a right to his personal opinion, including the writer & the reader. Many historical facts have to use the word possibly, if one is honest, wherein those with an agenda can be selective & firm.
Whenever a person cannot possibly entertain different possible scenarios he has turned himself in to a half awake f00l
@@RRDARGAD having been a sort of a modern historian myself (my topic of research being kanisetti himself) I can say that kanisettis work relies heavily on distortion by omission, "possibly" because that is one of the best ways to subtly create a false narrative without being held accountable in academic circles to the point of becoming an outcast in these groups..
@@surajs5913 Give some examples.
Ambedkar didn't convert into Islam, Sikh, and Christianity as he had seen that these religions are now following casteism even though their religions ' s tenets do not support it. There are roman catholic brahmin who feels that they are superior than dalit converts and they have seperate church, mosques and sikh dalits are not assimilated much. Even though their religion advocate for egalitarian but they still practice. That is why dalits are not converting into Christianity in droves despite offering inducement and it doesn't help them to shed their dalit identity and segregation they face
That only shows that casteism or any other kind of differentiation and discrimination is based on the inherent nature of humans to feel superior and better than others.
@@_sapta_ "putting the onus of leading a generous life solely on the individual and no one else"
That didn't originate with Buddha. What Buddha contributed is he made it easier and simpler the process.
Which caste in sikh
But after converting still they want reservation
Instead of facing it and winning
Conversion won't help
I think his main message about medieval Indian history is "It's complicated." While this asks us to examine more carefully the complex dynamics, it also leads to statements like "Hindu and Buddhist empires were as violent as the Muslim invaders and would destroy each other's temples." The problem here is that it ignores the theological backdrop of Islam and Muhammad's own bloody rise to power. As a religious figure, he is poles apart from Buddha, Jesus or even Shankara. This type of thinking plagues the Marxist historians and their (saner) Leftist successors now. It is still hard to find ideologically-neutral narratives.
Bloody rise to power are you serious 😅
@@zakymalik6920ohh trrst adltry alla gay mmad follower 😂😂😂😂
@zakymalik6920 Is this news to you? I don't want to offend just for the sake of it. There are many such episodes in Muhammad's life. He massacred the Banu Qurayza, which was a Jewish tribe in Medina. This event is celebrated in the Quran and Hadiths. It was because they did not accept him as a prophet. Tell me one other religion which was born in such violence. There are other such well-recorded events of him attacking tribes, taking war booty, sex slaves and so forth. In fact, the war booty and sex slaves were used as motivation to his soldiers. His imagery of heaven is also dominated by such views.
While people of other religions have committed atrocities just like this and far worse, tell me one where such a character is central to the faith and is seen as the example of a perfect human being?
@@abhay_cs You said They were mass Care of bani qurayza I don't know which Quran you're reading but its not in Quran any where show me single verse in Quran which mention mass acre of banu qurayza happen
1. From Quran only
Secondly if you believe that incident did happened historical show me a large burial area where they were buried I'm sure you can do that
If you fail to do these things then you'll take you're statements back by deleting comment for spreading unestablished information
@@abhay_cs Talking Sex Slaves thing if you'll traditional sources it clear state only Combatant women's were taken for that for that read Al-Jihad Fil Islam although I'm not a Traditional Muslim but still what you're trying to present in prophet Muhammad trying commit unjust acts he isn't my
Why you guys are so ignorant? Everyone in Odisha can tell you why Buddhism died. Kings of Kalinga starting from Bhaumakara dynasty started promoting Brahmanism and slowly stopped funding Buddhism because by end of 11th century Buddhism had become a corrupt religion only full of tantric practices and devoid of any dharma. The monk system was anti-social, promoted slavery, prostitution, nihilism and was not compatible to the structure civilized kingdom. The kings did not want their children to abandon society. The monasteries retreated to jungles and eventually were forgotten.
correct, the kings didnt wanted their children to abandon society and maintain the warrior spirit to protect their kingdom. Only a Kshatriya could become a buddha, that was the core of buddhism. Accepting Buddhism and becoming a buddha are 2 different things.
No MOTHER FUCKING LEFTIST COMMIE BASTARD or sly Jihadi Mullah/ Rice-Bag Pastor would agree to this....For it would then put a full-stop to 'FUCKING THE HINDU' business in India....All these are clearly Funded in multitude of ways, by US State Department and Chinese Communist Party....
That is why hindu kshtritas were always defeated by invaders.😂
Monk system is not anti social, it promotes civilisation into society. As they are void material needs, no slavery or prostitution prevailed. Wheras hindu Brahmins corrupted the society. All things you accused to Buddhism, was actually applied to Hinduism.
@@millennialmind9507any person of any caste can be enlightened(become buddha) according to buddhism. Stop making stuff up.
I was a practicing Buddhist for 8 years, my practice has been derailed for the last 3 years. I have read the Digha Nikaya (Middle length Discourses). When Lord Buddha was around, caste was not assigned by birth but by choice. He even trained under two Brahmin teachers: Alara Kalama and Udakka Ramaputta. Furthermore, a Buddhist teacher explained that Buddhism got so much state patronage in India that monks didn’t have to go on alms rounds. The kings and rich would send large amounts of food to the monasteries. They stopped interacting with laypeople and hence society slowly forgot about them. Lastly, Advaita is quite similar to Buddhism and it has attempted to absorb the teachings of Buddha into Upanishads.
Interesting, but budhsim did spread across to other Asian countries though. It's making a come back in communist China, Buddhism is prominent influence in Japan and aputh east Asia etc.
@@Manoj_0000 Liars like you are running rampant like mad dogs with pathetic fake stories. Typical losers can't compete in the global competitive world instead, create imaginative stories based on pure to satisfy your egos. Nothing else
Sir as a student of Advaita Vedanta, source for it is Upanishad which predates Buddha Dharma.
Adi Shankara has borrowed 2 stage realisation method of Nagarjunas Mulamadhyama karika that's all.
Upanishad were written before origin of Buddhism. Vedant is oldest among the current philosophies.
I don’t know about Buddhist teachings absorbed into the upanishads but vaishavism always tries to engulf everything into it. Many believe that Buddha is an avatar of Vishnu despite the fact that Buddha’s (and Mahavira’s) teachings oppose the vedas.
Another Marxist
Ok user so and so
Surprise, surprise. To become a buddha, you must be from Kshatriya caste as per original Buddha dharma
Kshatriya or brahmin - mixed castes or lower than kshatriya is also not permissible...
@@surajs5913 I am not talking about the branches that spur out of Buddhism at a later stage but rather the first version of Buddhism
Buddha is not born, Buddhahood achieved by Bodhisttvas. Bodhisttva can be born in any of social realm of existence. Bodhisttva can born in candala class as well as all social real. Read following jatakas where Bodhisttva born in Candala class.
180 Satadhamma Jataka
309 Chavaka Jataka
465 Bhadda Sala Jataka
475 Amba Jataka
497 Matanga Jataka
498 Citta Sambhata Jataka
There is no single mention of Bodhisttva or Buddha can not born in lower social status in entire Tipitakas. They may be part of commentries/Athakatha.
@@millennialmind9507stop lying 😭💀
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Buddha says,
Do not simply believe what you hear just because you have heard it for a long time.
Do not follow tradition blindly merely because it has been practised in that way for many generations.
Do not be quick to listen to rumours.
Do not confirm anything just because it agrees with your scriptures.
Do not foolishly make assumptions.
Do not abruptly draw conclusions by what you see and hear.
Do not be fooled by outward appearances.
Do not hold on tightly to any view or idea just because you are comfortable with it.
Do not accept as fact anything that you yourself find to be logical.
Do not be convinced of anything out of respect and deference to your spiritual teachers.
You should go beyond opinion and belief. You can rightly reject anything which when accepted, practised and perfected leads to more aversion. more craving and more delusion. They are not beneficial and are to be avoided.
Conversely, you can rightly accept anything which when accepted and practised leads to unconditional love, contentment and wisdom. These things allow you time and space to develop a happy and peaceful mind.
Sanatana dharma has clear & transparent principles(like Dharma, etc), faith, freedom to all(no restrictions) & comes with ancient history, traditions, languages, scientific, mathematics, astronomy, calendar etc achievements. But what about Buddhism? Everyone thinks Buddhism means non violence but eat non veg food by killing innocent animals!! Buddha used Sanskrit names, language etc but believes creator of new religion?? What & where is "new"?
Hindu nhi rhe kya aap abhi? Naam change kr liya?
@@kunalsonawane5189aba unpad
I'm pretty sure buddha relied mainly on fruits and rice given by people he preached to(he was vegan, either way he roomed India, which was vegan mostly)
Also if you look at Buddhist texts, no one said "I'm starting my own religion"
Hinduism is made up of multiple branches, there have been atheist school too(charvaka)
Hinduism has had philosophers who have contradicted vedas and famous teachings of their time. Like how sri ramanuja, sri madhava, satguru kabir all contributed the teachings of adi shankaracharya, but do they have their religion? No. The only reason buddhism became a separate religion instead of becoming another branch of Hinduism is because brahmins misunderstood and because it was famous + it was time when concept of religion started arising since faiths like Judaism and christianity started. So everyone started viewing ideologies that had supernatural elements as religions.
Buddhism is branch of Hinduism.
Also nagarjun(Hindu Buddhist) has contributed greatly to the fields of study.
Buddha had the benefit of 3,500 years of Vedic and Hindu civilization and its vast body of literature to draw upon without which Buddhism would not have come into existence. As for caste by birth, the subject had been debated during the Vedic Age itself, long before Buddha was born, and rejected.
All are equal in birth and in death.
Differences arise only during the
interval. The Emperor and the beggar
are both born naked; they sleep
equally silently; they bow out without
even leaving their new address. Then
how can their reality be different?
There can be no doubt on this score.
All are basically the same.
Atharva Veda
Curious question. Why do you need those books in the video when you didn't refer any of them? Looks like unwanted photo op. 🙂Also reduce the speed while speaking had to concentrate a lot to get gist of everything. We don't face this problem when we listen shekar's videos.
बामियान और तक्षशिला से क्यों गायब हुआ?
I neither understand the message here nor the relevance of the title. What information is conveyed here about Hindu reforms? This is a feature of many videos in this series -- clickbait-style titles with tangential references. Why bring in 'anti-Brahmin thought' here? How about an honest title and discussion -- something like 'How Buddhism persisted until relatively recently in southern India'?
The old print is back .
With its Marxist and colonial shaeds.
I was just 😂😂😂 listing it.
bro i didnt understood what u meant by old print is back?
Are there elections in horizon ?
@@DoctorJaneDoe Yes
@@sandeeptiwari7157 ahh that explains
Classic excuse 😂🤣
The truth is that the Buddhist tradition never declined. The present day Sanatan (Hindu) religion which we are following is indeed the fusion of Mahayani Buddhist and Vedic traditions
Why to copy the narration style man.... You very well know from where you have copied this style.... But yours is irritating. Take proper pauses atleast.
Impressive!.... Buddha would expect to be extended till current architectural wonders in the Walls & Tombs of Ram Mandira going to be inaugurated very shortly. Keep it up dear, being in the Team of The Print, you've a very bright future ahead ✌️
The best archi tectural wonders were always Hindu temples. Buddhism was never accepted by Indians.
The most impressive buildings were never Buddhist stupas but Hindu temples.
What if I say Buddhism was not wiped off, but it died out, because it fell out of favour. Let's take Bengal's example. Bengal was a Shaivite state under Shashank, then a Buddhist state under Palas for 3 centuries, then a Orthodox Hindu state under Senas who ruled for 1 century, then started a 5 century long Islamic rule, and 2 centuries of Christian rule. Bengal was under non Hindu rule for the last 7 centuries, still Hinduism is the dominant religion in West Bengal, and a sizeable portion of East Bengalis were Hindus as well if not for the Bengali genocide in 1971. Tell me how in just 1 century of Sena rule Buddhism vanished like it never existed.
There is a new caste system no one is talking about: Money (and political power)
Does that mean that the british class system is also a caste system? Also what do you mean by caste ? Are you referring to jati, varna or gotra or is the word a lazy amalgamation of distinct social stratifications in the Indian society?
@@surajs5913 yes I am talking of stratification prevalent in Indian society and the difference in the treatment thereof, western society is much better in this aspect.
My point is that switching religion does not fix the issue.
@@InfoSoup do you have a single example of a successful human society after humans discovered fire in which the society didnt have stratification , was self sufficient, contributed to the advancement of humanity and existed for more than 200 years? Do tell me this too, if you have one such example , how many examples do you have for stratified societies to match for a single example of a successful unstratified human society?
Socialism doesn't work unfortunately, it would be nice if it did but most people will be worse off under it.
Stfu, casteism is still prevalent even in Bureaucracy and corporate
Only buddha said dont even follow my word, do ur own analysis
Instead of reading the script in a hurry and with accent, the speaker appears to show off his scholarship than speak with substance.. better luck
Anyone wanting another facet of the decline of buddhism can refer to a video on the channel "bodhisattva" - because as usual kanisetti is an expert at ignoring the elephant in the room...
Buddhism declined in India primarily during Gupta period. Under the Guptas, Mahabharata & Ramayana got compiled because of which now even commoners could easily access the epics. Furthermore Buddhist monks started to focus more on impressing women in Sangha instead of focusing on spreading Dharma. They started to be obsessed with the material world. And the last nail in the coffin were the infamous Islamic invasions which destroyed Nalanda and forced the remaining Buddhists to take shelter in Nepal/Bhutan/Tibet which were free from Islamic invasions
😂 if Buddhism decline during gupta period then why travelers who visited India after Gupta Empire wrote that Buddhism is dominant religion in india ? 😂😂😂😂
@@alphaff9939 Buddhism decline began in the Gupta period (around 5th century CE). It was completed around the 11th century
@@indiafirst3676 it started decline after adi Shankaracharya with the help of muslims bhramins did this work Buddhism was even a big religion in india during 11th century before 10th century it was dominating religion there is a reason why Indian historians do not write history of mahayan and vajrayan Buddhism because if they write then there will be lot of questions that this country was a Buddhist country
@@alphaff9939 Adi Shankaracharya died in 820 CE. Muslim rule over parts of India began in 1192 CE with the defeat of Prithviraj Chauhan by Md Ghori at the 2nd Battle of Tarain. So with the help of Muslims is wrong straight forward. There were no Muslims in India at the time of Adi Shankaracharya
@@indiafirst3676 I said it started after adi Shankaracharya which was in 9th century the Chinese travelers who visited India also told that bhramins used to attack Buddhist monks this shows they wanted to remove Buddhism but they didn't had power so they took help from muslims you are talking about north Indian invasion of muslim on the other hand muslim started coming to sindh in 10th century only muslim won Afghanistan which was a Buddhist country in 9 th century so after that they came to sindh bhramins did help that's why they survived Jain's and Buddhist never did so they died
Some how the Buddhist caves of Mumbai survived very well Ahmadnagar sultanate and Portuguese, possibly some Buddhist were around protecting them.
Budhism collapsed once stupas vihara and monasteries were destroyed.Budhism followers were not instructed what kind of birth marriage death rituals to follow. Their monks were isolated from masses. They depended mostly on kings patronage. Once patronage gone , monks gone! Budhism was more of a life style than religion. In India even a small sect with ridiculous ideology, laws vying in isolation has survived. Why the cousin religion of Jainism survived till this date! Why isolated Jews and late comer Parsis thrived? Why old communities of Christians survived, thrived, prospered among place dominated by Nambudri Brahmins? Why Jews remained molseted who were in India before Portuguese? And only Budhism singled out?
What role did Adi Shankara play in downplaying popularity of Buddhism? I assume that it had become so popular-particularly among to young that Shankara found it necessary to re-kindle Hinduism by spreading Advaita philosophy which came close to Buddhist ideals. Does it explain how Hinduism was able to sustain itself at the expense of Buddhism?
‘There can be no doubt that the fall of Buddhism in India was due to the invasions of the Musalmans,’ writes the author. ‘Islam came out as the enemy of the “But ”. The word “But ”, as everybody knows, is an Arabic word and means an idol. Not many people, however, know that the derivation of the word “But ” is the Arabic corruption of Buddha. Thus the origin of the word indicates that in the Moslem mind idol worship had come to be identified with the religion of the Buddha. To the Muslims, they were one and the same thing. The mission to break the idols thus became the mission to destroy Buddhism. Islam destroyed Buddhism not only in India but wherever it went. Before Islam came into being Buddhism was the religion of Bactria, Parthia, Afghanistan, Gandhar and Chinese Turkestan, as it was of the whole of Asia….’
A communal historian of the RSS school?
But Islam struck at Hinduism also. How is it that it was able to fell Buddhism in India but not Hinduism? Hinduism had state patronage, says the author. The Buddhists were so persecuted by the ‘Brahmanic rulers’, he writes, that, when Islam came, they converted to Islam: this swelled the ranks of Muslims but in the same stroke drained those of Buddhism. But the far more important cause was that while the Muslim invaders butchered both - Brahmins as well as Buddhist monks - the nature of the priesthood in the case of the two religions was different - ‘and the difference is so great that it contains the whole reason why Brahmanism survived the attack of Islam and why Buddhism did not.’
For the Hindus, every Brahmin was a potential priest. No ordination was mandated. Neither was anything else. Every household carried on rituals - oblations, recitation of particular mantras, pilgrimages - each Brahmin family made memorizing some Veda its very purpose…. By contrast, Buddhism had instituted ordination, particular training, etc., for its priestly class. Thus, when the invaders massacred Brahmins, Hinduism continued. But when they massacred the Buddhist monks, the religion itself was killed.
Describing the massacres of the latter and the destruction of their viharas, universities, places of worship, the author writes:
The Musalman invaders sacked the Buddhist Universities of Nalanda, Vikramshila, Jagaddala, Odantapuri to name only a few. They raised to the ground Buddhist monasteries with which the country was studded. The monks fled away in thousands to Nepal, Tibet and other places outside India. A very large number were killed outright by the Muslim commanders. How the Buddhist priesthood perished by the sword of the Muslim invaders has been recorded by the Muslim historians themselves. Summarising the evidence relating to the slaughter of the Buddhist Monks perpetrated by the Musalman General in the course of his invasion of Bihar in 1197 ad, Mr Vincent Smith says, ‘….Great quantities of plunder were obtained, and the slaughter of the “shaven headed Brahmans”, that is to say the Buddhist monks, was so thoroughly completed, that when the victor sought for someone capable of explaining the contents of the books in the libraries of the monasteries, not a living man could be found who was able to read them.’ ‘It was discovered, we are told, that the whole of that fortress and city was a college, and in the Hindi tongue they call a college Bihar.’ Such was the slaughter of the Buddhist priesthood perpetrated by the Islamic invaders. The axe was struck at the very root. For by killing the Buddhist priesthood, Islam killed Buddhism. This was the greatest disaster that befell the religion of the Buddha in India….
The writer? B.R. Ambedkar. (‘The Decline and Fall of Buddhism’, Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar: Writings and Speeches, Vol III, Government of Maharashtra, 1987, pp. 229-38)
But today the fashion is to ascribe the extinction of Buddhism to the persecution of Buddhists by Hindus, to the destruction of their temples by the Hindus. One point is that the Marxist historians who have been perpetrating this falsehood have not been able to produce even an iota of evidence to substantiate the concoction. In one typical instance, Romila Thapar had cited three inscriptions. The indefatigable Sita Ram Goel looked them up. Two of these turned out to have absolutely no connection with Buddhist viharas or their destruction, and the one that did deal with an object being destroyed had been held by authorities to have been a concoction; in any event, it told a story which was as different from what the historian had insinuated as day from night.
(Extract from “Eminent Historians: Their Technology, Their Line, Their Fraud” by Arun Shourie)
I'm a Brahmin who deeply admires the Buddha's teachings
Are you fool man? What are talking?
Please read Tripitaka first.
Nahh ur a shudra
Indian history is a tragedy
Nah it's just your made up story
Did some Buddhist communities survived till the modern period like Jains did? Or were they completely assimilated into Hinduism or converted to Islam?
a very impressive video again;
can you please do a video about king Parakramabahu the great of sri lanka who once conquered Pandya and kingdom of Bagan?
The topic and content are very useful. However the reading is too hurried, accentuation is very poor and difficult to comprehend. Kindly kindly slow down, and take time to elaborate each point. It is worth a 25 minute video ...
I am a Hindu and every Hindu is automatically a Buddhist because he was the 9th avatar of God Vishnu. You would find a statue of Buddha in lakhs of Hindu temples. I laugh at the leftists who think that Hinduism and Buddhism are opposite things😂. They try so hard for Hindus to say something against Buddha🤣
He was not Avatar of Vishnu.... it's a fake news.
@@kunalsonawane5189 yes it is my boi. Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism all of them are assimilated in Hinduism or you can say they are offshoot of Hinduism
@@kunalsonawane5189 so as a hindu even if all of the population converted to in any of them I don't have any problem because all are indic religions
@@Bharatiya3011 Hindu is not a religion. Till today no one is able to prove that hindu is a religion. We are following brahmanical scriptures. So we need to know that any one who says he is hindu, is actually following brahmism.
@@kunalsonawane5189 Brahmins are the priestly class of Hinduism so they wrote most of the scriptures. Is that any different for other religions?
Moreover three most prominent scriptures of Hinduism: Ramayan, Mahabharat and Gita were wrote by non-Brahmins.
The worship of shiva in the form of a pillar in Andhra comes from the indigenous traditions of the tribes of the Nallamalla and were not parts of a stupa.
Angkor Wat & nearby Shiva Temple complex in Cambodia are now almost Buddhist sites though Vihsnu Murti is there in Small room and ligas removed but Yonis are still there.Q remain why Buddhism could not sustain ? may be giving up / not promoting training & fighting for Defence was seen its weakness.
Basically due to the hold of Sravakayana Buddhism in India. Mahayana could have beautifully survived with Hinduism but due to the hold of outdated Sravakayana Vinaya laws and excessive tantrism of Mahayana in Bihar, it could not
Even in Nepal 🇳🇵 Buddhism is invasion by sankarayacharya in Medival period Pashupatchetra(current Kathmandu valley)that time Bajrayana,mahatana Buddhism is on peak but after all Shankaracharya and schoolar attacked many monasteries and replace there culture and forced politically converted 8n Hindu.
All religions involve preaching and propaganda. Competition between Brahmins, Buddhists,Jains was for royal patronage out of taxes collected from the public. The kings spent lavishly on the monks and the priests. This is seen throughout ancient and medieval history. Ultimately the Brahmins preserved their beliefs and kept the royalty engaged. They stayed relevant to the masses despite some challenges from Islamic rule before the British came. With today's political power, it is no doubt the triumph of the Brahmans over competing religions over the millenia.
This is not religious hostility, but respect.
Fake nerrative
Mishra brahman can not accept the cruel history of his religion and caste.
Nobody - British and others could not convert India. Period.
ambedkar made buddhism dirty by rubbing his principles and promoting it as something anti-bramhinical
that is what happens when u mix ur ideologies into culture
it either prevails or gets shunned for eternity
I am Indo- Carribean and was raised Hindu for 20 years. Now, I follow the Buddha Dharma, mainly because the essence of Buddhism is far more in line with reallity and the science throughout the years, there is more space for philosphy and therefore critical thinking, there is more potential to find inner peace wheareas the Hinduism I knew had become more dogmatic and agressive. To a lesser extent I found the values which were the most important in Hinduism where present in Buddhism as well and even more or better worked out. I'm not saying I am hating on Hinduism or whatever, I have been blessed with the process of Bhakti Shaivism and Advaita Vedanta: they all lead me to the Shakyamuni. Namo Buddhaya.
Messi or Ronaldo?
You have to do what you feel good about brother.
well, i am hindu. but i don't have problem with any religion till their orgin is arbic desert.
SC Heerenveen @@joyid
@@SuriyavannaThe lack of self defense capability was the cause of the wiping out of Buddhism in traditional Buddhist lands by foreign invaders. When a Nation disarms it self it virtually invites land greedy countries to invade and occupy it.
It is common sense. If you keep a Diamond inside a house without adequate protection, you risk losing it to thieves.
Please say Tamil Nadu and not Tamil Nad. I'm not even tamil, but that's disrespectful.
A lot of buddhist ideas were co-opted into Hinduism and I'm surprised you didn't mention the Bhakti movement. I would also hazard a guess that Hindu religion with its communalistic rituals probably did better under Islamic rule. You see this in present day Sindh, Pashtunistan and Punjab, that was primarily Buddhist before invasion.
HI Print, Can you tag the videos by Anirudh Kanisetty with his own tag , so that followers would be able to search him and his content out and follow it ?
I am a regular consumer of THE PRINT's content. I like the video, but i want to raise a point about presentation. I found it hard to understand his words many words are overlapping and the unnecessary accent and speed made it hard. Please take a note.
Exactly how it stands? It's hardly existent in Bharath. Such a ridiculous biased analysis
When you keep a load of books with you while giving a talk, I would suggest you at least turn the books around and show the titles. That "may possibly" give you an air of authority (even if you have not read those books). Otherwise, we will assume that they are "possibly" your son's text books or a bunch of Marxist ideologic books. 😂
Is the set of photos in your background meant to show any indication of your loyalties or leanings?
Also, it is very, very obvious that you are reading off a prepared text on some screen. At least try to read slowly, so that we, mere mortals, can grasp your talk easily. Like Shekar, try to structure the talk logically rather than rush through vague points with high sounding words and phrases.
Just read Ambatth sutta and you will understand what Buddhism actually is. For Buddha Kshatriya are superiors to Brahmins. There are 23 sutta that claims the superiority of Kshatriyas. You will shock to see what is written about so-called Shudras.
Jesus was the best of Jews
Buddha was the best of Hindus.
Anti-semitic and hinduphobic remark.
And Muhammad was worst of them all
@@SidhantDhagare-gw3fj😂
buddhism unlike hinduism does not have a lot of the bhakti aspects and the rituals around it. people realized they could nt connect with it emotionally. nothing like singing rama krishna hare mukunda murare.
but the core concepts of moksha, karma and reincarnation are the same i guess except if moksha and nirvana mean the same thing
@@subhashsahay5218you should read Vedas to know complex rituals there thousands of rituals
@@subhashsahay5218 then its not Buddhism Buddha rejected god 😅 its literally different shit than original source material !
I think this same happened like how today Jesus shown as Hindu gods lol 😂
@@svanimation8969 Īśvara is rejected. Deva is not. We all can be Deva. But they too are bound by samsara. Bodhisattva is a fundamental principle of nearly all Buddhist Traditions. Learn to differentiate between Deva and Isvara. Saraswati, Lakshmi, Siva, are either Devas or Bodhisattva Mahasattvas. Moreover there are philosophical and theological understanding of their existence which varies from tradition to tradition. Vaishnava traditions do not generally support Animal Sacrifice. Does that make it Anti-Vedic or Non-Vedic? And unlike Western religions, Buddhists have developed extremely more complex theology and philosophy in regards to all of this. Bhakti, not the term itself but the essence of it which is usually denoted by the word Śraddhā or Prasāda by Buddhists has since times immemorial been integral to Buddhism. Buddhists also have their own well developed worshipping practices and mantras
bro @@svanimation8969 its mahayana sect which also says buddha ate muhroom [veg] also there are 8 hells demons etc a more like of theistic religion but threvada which aligns with buddha concept of no creator buddha ate pork [he had no choice as he cant make fellow follower sad]
indian buddhists- supports mahayana but propagates concepts of threvada
no hate but yes its history
@@user-pb6mr6sj7k Same As Hindusim As Naraka Right
I think a major point was missed. Shankaracharya !
Just before him, India was supposed to be mostly Buddhist. Buddhism had such an influence that a feared superstition prevailed in the country among whatever was left of other religions. That is, if anyone even heard "Buddham Sharanam Gacchhami" , they would become Buddhist and lose their religion.
Debates with Buddhists started with Kumaril Bhatt. The conclusion of this culminated with Shankaracharya re-establishing Vedanta philosophy after defeating Mandan Mishra in debate.
Let's not forget, Buddha himself was quite well learned on Hinduism and Vedanta. What Buddha talked ultimately was Vedanta, the Advaita simplified and expressed in the common man's language of that time : Pali.
Ambedkar was rejected by the Mahabodhi Society of India, who refused to accept him as a Buddhist. A person with so much anger and hatred in his mind Ambedkar cannot be a Buddhist. He was a British agent throughout his career; he was against the freedom movement; supported the partition of India, and passed on a constitution written by the British officers as the Constitution of India ignoring the reality of the partition.
Cut and paste.
Vedic & Buddhism both were equally subject of all the ancient Universities with equal zeal why because it's a issue of emphasis on the specific important aspects of human & social endeavours
Concentrated effort, episode after episode, to malign Hindu reputation.
Budhisam.and jain.difficult to practice.life is dynamic.😮😮😮
The first disciple of buddha was his guru ,acharya a brahmin.the poeple who brought mahayana buddhism were brahmin shaivac converts .buddistbof afghanistan converts.
Looking forward to your talk at the JLF !!
And excited to start the vid
One of the Most important Historical Event missed in this episode of Silk Route is Fall of Constantinople to the Ottoman Empire in 1453.
Misleading
Hey sir, Nepal is the birthplace of Buddha...it just happened that he was enlightened in Gaya, Bihar. There is no sense of lying and twisting a fact.
Bro. Your content was awesome but you seriously need to take some pauses while speaking.
Budh means buddi its part of sanstan dharma it doesn't decrease lyk abrahamic culture only in numbers in spritual path sidharth Gautam from kshatriya to brahmrishi inspiration
Similarly for cricketers virat kohli or maxwel
In bharat we r nt gang lyk Abrahamic religions its philosophers who shape bharat
Can you please reduce the speed of your narration.
Or you can learn to use the platform you're on. There's x25 option if it's more your speed.
Its not Stupaaaaaaa Cholaaaaa Buddhaaaaaa Lingaaaaa Bhagavathaaaa Puranaaaa ...
Please pronounce it correctly as an Indian ... just like u correctly pronounced Tamil and Tamil Nadu
Any religion is stands the time either supported by the ruler or read and followed by the concesous prople. Presently, direct support of the ruler is more or less irradicated by multi cultural society.
In present time, Any religion get distorted, when the follower of that religion stop reading their books and concentrate on acting against other religion .It is a negative approach of following the religion and shall be bring doom days.
In your statement, you talked about Brahmins, a section of Hindus, as one cause of detoration but not elaborated the functional disabilities of the Bhudhist. In India, Bhudhist were considered as a branch of Hinduism, as everything utter by bhudha was present in the Hindu's philosophy. It is sustainable in other societies, where his teaching were new to that particular society.
I have never seen, a common bhudhist to talk about their culture and pricipal. Just, they talk about Brahmins, which is easy to talk. How many of them have read their religious books (at least, one of them) . I am disappointed by your lecture, it was more on history, then analysis of the circumstances, which leads to decline of the bhudhism. Hopefully you will respond to my concern.
I think u better change the accent.I think the basic rule any media house should follow is ,our content should be understood by an average Indian if not how good is content it is wast
What about large scale destruction of Stupa and Buddha idols by Islamic tyrants right from Iran upto deep interiors of India..? Islamic warroirs proudly labelled themselves as Butshikan, ie, destroyer of But(Buddha)
Taliban broke Lord Budha statue in Afghanistan.
in short.. speech not clear
He should learn from Shekhar Gupta how to produce and narrate a story. He is speaking without a pause , causing more clutter of a confusing part of history.
This video is a petfect example of how not to make a video
Because Ashoka was a evil person and tge question should be why did Buddhism got wuped out completely in Afghanistan and pakistan?
Man why this journalists are very underrated 😥...plz keep it up quality journalism
Please show those books....
Speak a bit slowly...
The only propoganda spread by leftest buddism Jainism have never conflict buddism texts and other and dharms panths
land of buddha is NEPAL.
Buddhisn declined because it is athiestic philosophy suited for monks only, most people can not go through hurdles of life with nihilisn , they need something to put their faith , they either start worshipping statues of buddha or even ambedkar
Excellent video Aniruddh
Puruskar ki shubhkaamnaye🎉
It's not decline just copy paste with some prejudices and cheap traditional add caste system by traitors of dhamma for sake of their own welfare and boom brahmanism form
Buddhism was created by savarnas
what is the caste of buddha
according to buddha dhamma only kshatriya can become a buddha
@@jerry-ms1bz lol Budhha belong to Shakya clan today's OBC community and according to Brahmins caste system shudra, that's why he Also called shakyamuni, their were no caste system exist at budhha era and you telling this WhatsApp University knowledge
@@jerry-ms1bzBuddha is not born, Buddhahood achieved by Bodhisttvas. Bodhisttva can be born in any of social realm of existence. Bodhisttva can born in candala class as well as all social real. Read following jatakas where Bodhisttva born in Candala class.
180 Satadhamma Jataka
309 Chavaka Jataka
465 Bhadda Sala Jataka
475 Amba Jataka
497 Matanga Jataka
498 Citta Sambhata Jataka
There is no single mention of Bodhisttva or Buddha can not born in lower social status in entire Tipitakas. They may be part of commentries/Athakatha.
Dont disrespect Buddhism please its facinating produce of this great land by saying it is anti-Brahmin is just putting it into communist container. Yes Buddhism was against ritual based worship but it is just two schools of thought.
umm friend its title and content is lot different but yea the title is true[example - see twitter of such people there are 1000s saddest part no buddhist values are reflected in their content]
I always wondered about this.
Please slow down your speed of speach
Totally misled and biased.. Buddhism was never part of south
It was. Infact most of 600 Mahayana Sutras were composed in Andhra while Tamil Nadu was a huge centre of Indian Theravada
Print’s Shankaracharya- Boddhisatva baba JNU wala is back 😂 🚬 🌱
Never understood the relationship between Buddhism and Brahamanism. Only in our mind we play the game of anti Brahaminism
Read Buddha journey then we can discuss
We will only read books and then discuss.We will not learn Buddhism and Hinduism by practicing.Anyone really practicing Hinduism or Buddhism will not go about talking all this senseless things
Damn I wonder how did Buddhism decline in Afghanistan
It was already declined with rise Hindu shahu dynasty before advent of muslim invaders.
@@SirisenaDhammarakhitanah Buddhism was the main religion of afghanistan. Islamic invaders defeated them and converted them.
@@animedc69 It wasn't main religion. Zoroastrianism, Greek folk and Buddhism were collectively dominated. Later, in times of Hindu shahi dynasty, Hinduism became dominated.
Adi Shankar appropriated Nagarjuna's philosophy. Nagarjuna is the real guy whom the Buddhists still follow today. Buddhism is not a religion but a science. Unlike Brahmanical rituals rejected by Buddhists, Jains, Charvaks, and many other philosophies. The reason was Caste discrimination and corruption for dominant role in the society.
Then why exactly do buddhist texts repeatedly say that the bodhisattva will be reborn in either a kshatriya or a brahmin family and not in a lineage of "lower" castes or mixed castes?
@@surajs5913Buddha is not born, Buddhahood achieved by Bodhisttvas. Bodhisttva can be born in any of social realm of existence. Bodhisttva can born in candala class as well as all social real. Read following jatakas where Bodhisttva born in Candala class.
180 Satadhamma Jataka
309 Chavaka Jataka
465 Bhadda Sala Jataka
475 Amba Jataka
497 Matanga Jataka
498 Citta Sambhata Jataka
There is no single mention of Bodhisttva or Buddha can not born in lower social status in entire Tipitakas. They may be part of commentries/Athakatha.
@@SirisenaDhammarakhitadont mind but calling threvada the sect which alligns with initial values of buddhism as hinyana[yes it means smaller vehicle] is wrong mahayana which is more theistic or say to be more making folklores consider them hinyanas [i am saying it on basis of ancient buddhist arts and scriptures]
You have good oratory skills and will go sky high in journalism.
Sir..hindi.speak...please..jay.bhim