It's crazy how when you leave pure performance, you end up with extremely rich music! Where many pianists miss the subtleties, some like here want to appreciate the composer's intentions at their fair value.
Wonderful and Insightful. I learned so much from listening to this performance even though it is quite different than the mainstream, run-of-the-mill, conservatory pianist that has plagued the concert halls of recent years.
The negative comments might be due to the poor sound of the 'pirate' video. Mr Pogorelich played the piece at a moderate pace (slower than Kissin for example) and he might have lost some dexterity compared to his younger days, but in all fairness, this was not a bad performance. Every note was clearly articulated and there was light and shade. Just like Horowitz, the banging went hand in hand with some tenderly played melodies. Of late, Ivo reads from the music score and has a page turner beside him. This is very uncommon on the concert platform but Richter did the same in the later stage of his career. My guess is that he has played these pieces for so long that he did not want to follow old habits. Instead, he wanted to constantly remind himself of what the composer wrote. Most pianists play feux follets as a brilliant showpiece. Ivo was determined that it was not played as a showpiece. This ought to earn our respect. We need to remember that while Liszt was flamboyant when he was young, he was fascinated by Faust and Dante. In his old age, I am sure Liszt would play his showpieces, such as Feux Follets, with dark undercurrents,, with Mephisto lurking around somewhere in the dark.
I believe he is sight-reading (i.e. 'a prima vista'), because he had to change all of his fingering in all pieces to deal with his severe arthritis. It's really sad to watch him struggle with the (progressive) disease. Watch the 5th fingers of his hands! He must be in pain all the time.
@Anton Razumov - By the way, I don't think I had asked for your credentials or your life story, but since you are using that to claim authority over me on all matters Liszt, let me just quickly tell a little bit of my background: I studied with the late Rian de Waal, who was a pupil of Charles Rosen, who was a pupil of Moriz Rosenthal, who was a pupil of Liszt, as well as a pupil of Mikuli, who was a pupil of Chopin. I think I have the right to claim being part of the Liszt tradition too. If you're claiming authority or exclusivity just to have some kind of moral highground, make sure you know who you are talking to. It's just a matter of respect and decency. I respect your background and your opinion, would you care to reciprocate that polite gesture?
@Anton Razumov - Quote: "You don't have what it takes to debate me on these issues." Fine, then why did you attack me in the first place? By the way, insulting someone you don't know and don't know anything about, is not the same as "debating". I wonder why you appear so angry in your comments. I guess I'll never know, since I'm not worthy of your attention. You must feel very lonely if you reject so many people based on absolutely nothing. It's actually quite sad to watch an old man like you struggle socially. Anyway, good luck finding happiness in your life!
heavily annotated might be more accurate... I did too, there are glimpses of the former talent, it is far from an amateur performance, but there is a lot of strange stopping/starting, clunky episodes and nonsense which does not have a place in the concert hall! You feel he could still play it well if he wanted too, but, frankly, for whatever reasons, he no longer gives a fuck?
@@chrish12345 not hardly, he was taught in the Siloti tradition from his wife, his emphasis is on sound versus accuracy. I for one think it is so refreshing and wish more individuals sounded different. To your point I do think sometimes he does take it too far, but this isn't one of those times
@@trblcleft nonsense, he always had a minimal repertoire precisely because technical perfection was so essential for him, and in his heyday he did usually play remarkably accurately, at least in terms of hitting the notes
I would like to say that the tempo marking for this piece in the Urtext edition is eighth = 120 - 126, AKA a whole lot slower than most performances, and not far from this tempo.
I hope he is gentle and careful with his pinky...I had bad back for the last 5 years,bad hand trauma,swollen fingers too...before I got my ARSM...it is not as easy as it looks,so whoever does thumbs down-SHAME on you...
His performances r my favorite and I don’t really understand those who do not appreciate his work will bother to leave negative comments. Leave us alone pls
Around 4 & a half minutes is just about the best speed that this piece should be played. Arrau, Bolet, and even Cziffra also played this moderately fast rather than lightning. I don't like the speeds of Kissin and the like.
Quel naufrage y compris techniquement... Écoutez plutôt les suites anglaises de Bach et le Ravel de sa jeunesse. Pire que Dimitri Sgouros dans le registre de la déchéance.
@@j.vonhogen9650 Well if you like this performance, be my guest...any young pianist would be destroyed if he plays like that, but since is Pogorelich, all you idiots and fanatic adorers say " ooohhhhh it's great..."
@@Rudel23 - I haven't said any of the things you're accusing me of, so who's the idiot here? Stop lying, and learn how to communicate in a socially acceptable manner!
I hate when he plays like this.. He owns this piece and with some practice he could play it just like he did 25 years earlier... He’s not interested in doing so, unfortunately...
If he still played it like he did 25 years ago, what would be the point in still bothering? Other than just making money? Music/art isn’t static, and neither is interpretation. And Eb, nobody pays for thickets. They tend to just grow on their own 🤣
I wish I could hear what people think he's lost. He may should not have allowed any cameras into hall . He will alwaysbe a name to remember. Peeps will always buy tickets ti see if his magic is back. He makes gorgeous sound and color variety . 75oercent pianists play everything mp and or can only render mf to maybe a forte. Most give entire concert in one dynamic.
I'm sorry but this is shockingly bad, I knew him in the 80's and 90's when he was possibly the greatest pianist in the world. This is a total shambles - he cannot play anymore up to the standard of a concert. Look at Lisiecki, Kantorow, Levanon etc. If they were around in the 80's he would have been the master. Now it is very sad to see him try to play
Apparently he is dealing with Arthritis (notice his fingers in this video) which would explain why he slows down so dramatically on some parts... He also had to change a lot of fingerings so he'd be able to play. Even so, it's impressive he manages to play like this when he very likely is in constant pain.
@@joaomonteiro9619 I'm sorry to hear that but, if that is the case, he needs to stop playing, as these shocking performances are doing his remarkable legacy no justice. He is now a laughing stock. He was once the most remarkable pianist of the 20th century
@@petergolding5733 To a certain extent, I agree with you. But sometimes leaving behind such great legacy by giving up because a disease is affecting you isn't enough. I know I would feel conflicted about not playing again. and I'm sure a lot of people still feel happy about watching him perform given his state.
@@joaomonteiro9619 The problem for me is that his playing slid catastrophically long before the arthritis kicked in. After 2000 he was a shadow of his former self (due, in some part but certainly not all, to the death of his wife). But he kept soldiering on. It was pitiful to watch, after having seen him in the 80's and 90's when he was utterly astonishing. And I'm sorry but I disagree with your comment. If a disease is affecting your hands and people are paying very good money to hear you play brilliantly, then you are a fake to them and need to stop. If a man works a lathe and ends up with one arm, he leaves his job because he can't do it properly. Ivo is doing a JOB and, if he can't do it to his best ability (which he certainly can't now) he should retire
You are delusional. He played with perfect dynamics and control. If you like monkeys playing fast and jumping on the keys maybe he is not for you. "shockingly bad" get out lmao
It is much too slow! What is wrong with Pogorelich! Either he is sick or if not he should start exercising! Better listen to Kissin or Katja Bunuatishivili! Liszt "Feux Follets" and Chopin Study op.10,4 are the real touchstones for the true technical capacity of a pianist!
Kissin's and especially Khatia's Feux Follets are a joke and an insult to the composer. I do not know how anyone can like those two performances. Whilst Poggy isn't at his best here, I would still take him over those two any day of the week.
I'm sorry, this pianist has significantly declined since his masterful Gaspard de La Nuit in Tokyo many years ago. This awful Feux Follets a case in point.
@@Kirb-n4r Not only a bad pianist, but the WORST pianist in the history of that instrument. I think that Martha loved him and that's the raison for he is famous.
even with crippling arthritis he plays better than most people ever will. Pogorelich is a legend, especially for continuing to play through the pain.
Look at his left pinky, the last joint. Incredible he can still play.
It's crazy how when you leave pure performance, you end up with extremely rich music! Where many pianists miss the subtleties, some like here want to appreciate the composer's intentions at their fair value.
best living pianist , regardless of his arthritis. May he have many years of performance ! bravo maestro
Wonderful and Insightful. I learned so much from listening to this performance even though it is quite different than the mainstream, run-of-the-mill, conservatory pianist that has plagued the concert halls of recent years.
sorvegliato speciale
you said it. yuja comes to mind...among many.
his left-hand 5th finger joints look inflamed. Does he have arthritis?
Phrasing, nuances and voicing are mad!
Best 5 minutes of my life....
Every time I hear Pogorelich, I keep envisioning Hieronymus Bosch paintings.
The negative comments might be due to the poor sound of the 'pirate' video. Mr Pogorelich played the piece at a moderate pace (slower than Kissin for example) and he might have lost some dexterity compared to his younger days, but in all fairness, this was not a bad performance. Every note was clearly articulated and there was light and shade. Just like Horowitz, the banging went hand in hand with some tenderly played melodies. Of late, Ivo reads from the music score and has a page turner beside him. This is very uncommon on the concert platform but Richter did the same in the later stage of his career. My guess is that he has played these pieces for so long that he did not want to follow old habits. Instead, he wanted to constantly remind himself of what the composer wrote. Most pianists play feux follets as a brilliant showpiece. Ivo was determined that it was not played as a showpiece. This ought to earn our respect. We need to remember that while Liszt was flamboyant when he was young, he was fascinated by Faust and Dante. In his old age, I am sure Liszt would play his showpieces, such as Feux Follets, with dark undercurrents,, with Mephisto lurking around somewhere in the dark.
I believe he is sight-reading (i.e. 'a prima vista'), because he had to change all of his fingering in all pieces to deal with his severe arthritis. It's really sad to watch him struggle with the (progressive) disease. Watch the 5th fingers of his hands! He must be in pain all the time.
@Anton Razumov - The man is suffering from severe arthritis, just like you are suffering from having a foul mouth.
@Anton Razumov - You seem so emotional about this, why don't you just calm down a little so we can have a civilized discussion about this?
@Anton Razumov - By the way, I don't think I had asked for your credentials or your life story, but since you are using that to claim authority over me on all matters Liszt, let me just quickly tell a little bit of my background: I studied with the late Rian de Waal, who was a pupil of Charles Rosen, who was a pupil of Moriz Rosenthal, who was a pupil of Liszt, as well as a pupil of Mikuli, who was a pupil of Chopin. I think I have the right to claim being part of the Liszt tradition too.
If you're claiming authority or exclusivity just to have some kind of moral highground, make sure you know who you are talking to. It's just a matter of respect and decency. I respect your background and your opinion, would you care to reciprocate that polite gesture?
@Anton Razumov - Quote: "You don't have what it takes to debate me on these issues."
Fine, then why did you attack me in the first place? By the way, insulting someone you don't know and don't know anything about, is not the same as "debating".
I wonder why you appear so angry in your comments. I guess I'll never know, since I'm not worthy of your attention. You must feel very lonely if you reject so many people based on absolutely nothing. It's actually quite sad to watch an old man like you struggle socially.
Anyway, good luck finding happiness in your life!
BRAVOOO !!!
sounds dead inside?
Every musician needs a fan - great entertainment and few musicians would allow circulation of this side of themselves.
Brilliant Ivo, as always
So glad i got to see him live. By the way, who is the page turner? (Asking for a gay friend)
... I enjoyed it - Does anybody notice how colorful the score is?🤔🤔🤔
heavily annotated might be more accurate... I did too, there are glimpses of the former talent, it is far from an amateur performance, but there is a lot of strange stopping/starting, clunky episodes and nonsense which does not have a place in the concert hall! You feel he could still play it well if he wanted too, but, frankly, for whatever reasons, he no longer gives a fuck?
@@chrish12345 - In case you want to know the reason, it's called 'arthritis'.
@@chrish12345 not hardly, he was taught in the Siloti tradition from his wife, his emphasis is on sound versus accuracy. I for one think it is so refreshing and wish more individuals sounded different. To your point I do think sometimes he does take it too far, but this isn't one of those times
@@trblcleft nonsense, he always had a minimal repertoire precisely because technical perfection was so essential for him, and in his heyday he did usually play remarkably accurately, at least in terms of hitting the notes
Awesome!! Thanks a lot!
I would like to say that the tempo marking for this piece in the Urtext edition is eighth = 120 - 126, AKA a whole lot slower than most performances, and not far from this tempo.
sorry to say but that is no guide at all, for many reasons
How come Novak Djokovic, the tennis player, is turning pages for Mr.Pogorelich....?
LOL
Balkan brothers
Thanks as ever for uploading. I vote up, for hearing more of this concert :D. Looks like the Fm was next?
i think so
What happened to his pinky finger?
Classic!
I hope he is gentle and careful with his pinky...I had bad back for the last 5 years,bad hand trauma,swollen fingers too...before I got my ARSM...it is not as easy as it looks,so whoever does thumbs down-SHAME on you...
His performances r my favorite and I don’t really understand those who do not appreciate his work will bother to leave negative comments. Leave us alone pls
What happened to his left hand’s fifth finger?
Be Your Own Hero same reflexion ^^ i really don't know
Might have banged it. Or mayb arthritis since it's right on the joint; hopefully not progressive
The thing is called "osteoarthritis" and it is a progressive disease. According to how he burdens his fingers (joints), the risks are high.
Poor ivo :/..
Be Your Own Hero i think its practice ^^
what happened in his fifth finger?
Arthritis
Around 4 & a half minutes is just about the best speed that this piece should be played.
Arrau, Bolet, and even Cziffra also played this moderately fast rather than lightning.
I don't like the speeds of Kissin and the like.
La chiarezza della linea architetturale che Pogorolich imprime al piano è lodevolissima !
Richter Sofia. Period.
Hahahahaha.
Ashkenazy Carnegie Hall 1969 period.
nice
His little finger is as bigger than my thumb!!!!
Surprising that Pogorelich would allow this performance on RUclips ...Way too Slow, ............but his Scarlatti Album is Great though .
Quel naufrage y compris techniquement... Écoutez plutôt les suites anglaises de Bach et le Ravel de sa jeunesse. Pire que Dimitri Sgouros dans le registre de la déchéance.
execrable! boots on the keyboard!
Absolutely
I don't understand: did his doctor prescribe him to play this piece? Why I wonder ? What a haughtiness and lack of autocriticism...
It's called "arthritis", and he didn't ask for this, nor did he ask for for your ignorant and condescending comment.
@@j.vonhogen9650 Well if you like this performance, be my guest...any young pianist would be destroyed if he plays like that, but since is Pogorelich, all you idiots and fanatic adorers say " ooohhhhh it's great..."
@@Rudel23 - I haven't said any of the things you're accusing me of, so who's the idiot here? Stop lying, and learn how to communicate in a socially acceptable manner!
@@Rudel23The people who destroy young pianists for doing something differently are dumbasses. But also not as common as you think.
I hate when he plays like this.. He owns this piece and with some practice he could play it just like he did 25 years earlier... He’s not interested in doing so, unfortunately...
It is not important how he play this, important is public who pay thickets.
If he still played it like he did 25 years ago, what would be the point in still bothering? Other than just making money? Music/art isn’t static, and neither is interpretation.
And Eb, nobody pays for thickets. They tend to just grow on their own 🤣
Marquis De Sade: Feux Follets, doesn’t mean slow motion as far as I know.
I wish I could hear what people think he's lost. He may should not have allowed any cameras into hall . He will alwaysbe a name to remember. Peeps will always buy tickets ti see if his magic is back. He makes gorgeous sound and color variety . 75oercent pianists play everything mp and or can only render mf to maybe a forte. Most give entire concert in one dynamic.
Why would you say that? Everyone knows he is suffering from severe arthritis! Just look at his fifth finger and you'll understand.
Genius!!!
"Mr Voolare" who has not the courage to sign with his or her name, you are not at all human and you judge Ivo Pogorelich !
His hands remind me of S. Rachmaninoff
Something has to be wrong with his pinky
A shadow of himself. Sad.
I wish I hadn't listened to this :(
Люблю❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏👍👍👍
Very interesting and different from all pianists' versions.
Disgraceful.
I'm sorry but this is shockingly bad, I knew him in the 80's and 90's when he was possibly the greatest pianist in the world. This is a total shambles - he cannot play anymore up to the standard of a concert. Look at Lisiecki, Kantorow, Levanon etc. If they were around in the 80's he would have been the master. Now it is very sad to see him try to play
Apparently he is dealing with Arthritis (notice his fingers in this video) which would explain why he slows down so dramatically on some parts... He also had to change a lot of fingerings so he'd be able to play. Even so, it's impressive he manages to play like this when he very likely is in constant pain.
@@joaomonteiro9619 I'm sorry to hear that but, if that is the case, he needs to stop playing, as these shocking performances are doing his remarkable legacy no justice. He is now a laughing stock. He was once the most remarkable pianist of the 20th century
@@petergolding5733 To a certain extent, I agree with you. But sometimes leaving behind such great legacy by giving up because a disease is affecting you isn't enough. I know I would feel conflicted about not playing again. and I'm sure a lot of people still feel happy about watching him perform given his state.
@@joaomonteiro9619 The problem for me is that his playing slid catastrophically long before the arthritis kicked in. After 2000 he was a shadow of his former self (due, in some part but certainly not all, to the death of his wife). But he kept soldiering on. It was pitiful to watch, after having seen him in the 80's and 90's when he was utterly astonishing. And I'm sorry but I disagree with your comment. If a disease is affecting your hands and people are paying very good money to hear you play brilliantly, then you are a fake to them and need to stop. If a man works a lathe and ends up with one arm, he leaves his job because he can't do it properly. Ivo is doing a JOB and, if he can't do it to his best ability (which he certainly can't now) he should retire
You are delusional. He played with perfect dynamics and control. If you like monkeys playing fast and jumping on the keys maybe he is not for you. "shockingly bad" get out lmao
It is much too slow! What is wrong with Pogorelich! Either he is sick or if not he should start exercising! Better listen to Kissin or Katja Bunuatishivili! Liszt "Feux Follets" and Chopin Study op.10,4 are the real touchstones for the true technical capacity of a pianist!
Kissin's and especially Khatia's Feux Follets are a joke and an insult to the composer. I do not know how anyone can like those two performances. Whilst Poggy isn't at his best here, I would still take him over those two any day of the week.
Such an ugly tone. Like he's stabbing at the piano, covering the delicate, difficult parts with loud, punctuating strikes in the bass. Awful.
I'm sorry, this pianist has significantly declined since his masterful Gaspard de La Nuit in Tokyo many years ago. This awful Feux Follets a case in point.
Yeah wtf
He is suffering from arthritis. Didn't you know this?
I can't understand how such a bad pianist can be "famous"...
U mean Ivo is a bad pianist? Are u serious???
@@Kirb-n4r Not only a bad pianist, but the WORST pianist in the history of that instrument. I think that Martha loved him and that's the raison for he is famous.
What makes u think like that?
Martín López lol
you are just an idiot, that's why