It's crazy that AMD and Intel are now at parity with each other on performance. They've got 2 completely different methods of getting there, but performance is so similar that you probably wouldn't be able to tell a difference with the 2 machines side-by-side. Fantastic!
go with amd, cause intel socket is dead. AMD can just drop in new cpu in a year or three but intel will have 13900k as max it can support on the board. I went with amd this build , cuase I want to be able to drop in New CPU in future. WIth 13900k, when it hits 100% cpu in any game, then time for you to build entire new pc or at minimum change motherboard and cpu. Whereas with amd , just drop in new 7950x3d and keep gaming!
@@FrostyBud777 Or... some people update their systems every 6 or 7 years so after that, they sell their PC (or keep it) and build a complete new system? But I forgot that most people don't think that anyone else can have a different way of doing things than them...
@@godnyx117 No one wants to buy a dusty old PC when they can get a budget one for cheap. By the time you want to sell it they can get a comparable one for under $1k. Most people do not want to build a new rig every 3 years. For instance I had my first rig for 17 years with minor upgrades here and there. I am getting to max CPU usage now and it is intel so I have to upgrade. Being able to get a new CPU after 4-5 years and selling it seems massively more efficient. Not to mention it uses about 30-40% less power which saves on electricity. Unless you are doing work on your computer the AMD is a no brainer.
@@Koreryn "Most people" have a simple PC and have a life outside. They don't "work" or "game" in their PCs, so there is no need for a "strong" one. Except for TrashTube on Firefox which is slow af, even a 5-year-old PC like mine will literally fly!
Thanks for that video, I decided to stay with AMD and go for AM5 since I really like the idea of having a long term platform. It will be a great performance boost compare to my 3900x cpu.
Thank you so much for including MSFS in your benchmark suite. It amazes me most CPU reviewers neglect including this heavily CPU bound title in their gaming tests.
Where do you see MSFS included ? One of the timestamps says MSFS but it's actually Forza horizon. MSFS is only seen at the end when comparing all games.
will disabling 8 cores on the 7950x boost gaming performance? my 5900x gets a boost when I disable 4 cores of the other core die on gaming, will it happen here as well ?
the game only use around 4-8 cores. as amd chiplet had 2 die's. the first (8 cores) die perform faster than 2nd die. intel also use their P cores to perform, while the e cores just to be use at productivity apps
It seems once again Jarrod deserves praise for using the same memory kit for both platforms. Almost everyone else has used DDR5-6400 on intel, giving the 13th gen an advantage there.
sure but you think paying more for dd5 memory than the CPU is worth is normal? do an analysis of how much it will cost you aio 420mm and a super fast dd5 to get these results. I bet most 13gen users will be buying ddr4.
I think both cases are valid though, especially for those with deeper pockets. Ideally there are multiple benchmarks to be run, for different workloads or user types: - best bang for buck - which would include having cheaper memory, I guess somewhere between DDR5 5200 to DDR 6000. And a normal cooler. - best performance - for those who have deeper pockets (I mean, simply going for this kind of CPU is already putting you in a niche market) - and here going with DDR 5 6800 or 7200 for Intel might be the thing. Here I would also mention things like spending some time to check undervolting and in general spending some time to optimize the CPUs performance, including having a beefy cooler. And I don't simply mean overclocking, but checking that for example the motherboard doesn't have an overly high (safe) voltage for the CPU which might consume needless power and throttle your CPU sooner (especially true for 13900K) - best efficiency - this would also need to including optimizing for efficiency, since those who actually care about this, wouldn't let these basically overclocked CPUs run at their stock settings.
Man I've been waiting for this. I've been asking Hardware Unboxed to do the same, but he has refused to do so on his tests. These tests are only fair if all things are equal.
@@thelastwordingamingandtech7198 That's subjective. If Intel can do better than DDR5-6000, then why limit it ? It's an objective advantage that Intel has, ignoring it would be a disadvantage to Intel, aka not fair.
Good video. Few people will be buying Ryzen 7000 until the "X3D" cpu's are released in January. Most people using Intel are simply doing a bios update and then switching out their 12th gen for a 13th gen cpu. The i7-13700K seems to be the sweet spot, it's practically an i9 i9-12900k.
Unless you can sell your 12th gen for the exact same price you bought it for, no one should be going from 12th to 13th. Even a 4090 can't unlock the full potential of 12th gen. And 99.9% of gamers have gpu's less powerful than a 6600/3060. It's always better to buy the new $300-$500 gpu over the new $300-$500 cpu until your CPU is finally at its max. So, the RX 7600 or 7600XT should be a lot cheaper than the 13700K and give you a lot more frames in gaming on your 12th gen than the 13700K will get you on your current GPU. Or when the 6900XT hits $500 go that route because I have a sneaky suspicion that AMD will go the route of Nvidia and the 7600 or XT will actually just be a 6500XT. lol Not really, but you get what I'm saying.
@@xslvrxslwt not compare to AMD though, they are miles behind... for Intel that hasn't made efficient cpus since forever yes it's an improvement... and in laptops it's going to look pretty bad for intel compare to AMD... but AMD needs to produce more volume that they already do to increase their market share...
Yeah I went for the 7950X for the same reasons. One, because of the upgradability of the platform. And two, and more importantly for me at the moment, the drastically lower power usage. I live in the UK where we've been going through an energy crisis the last couple years and my electric bill on it's own is still well over double what it used to be even with all devices I've turned off when not in use in vain attempts to lower energy costs. So with the core upgrade I'm working on at the moment, energy efficiency became a huge factor in my buying decision. The 7950X is a lot faster than my current CPU and uses a lot less power, so that put it high up on my list of prospects pretty much immediately, and has pretty much made Intel a no go for me. For me, here in the UK, 110 Watts more power to achieve only a couple percentage more performance, just isn't worth it for me. Not when I have to pay that bill every month. So I waited for prices to come down a bit and managed to get my 7950X for 560 quid. 500 quid effectively if I discount the cost of Star Wars Jedi Survivor I got with it for free, which I had planned to buy anyway. The motherboard cost is going to be the most painful, but with future upgradability assured, I guess I can stomach the upfront cost.
It's so strange to me that I can't find a single comprehensive comparison between both processors for After Effects. Since it relies heavily on a higher base clock speed (even with the development of multi frame rendering) I'd assume the 7950x is actually better for intensive workflows, but I'd like to see actual render times. *Follow up*: I went to a Ryzen 7950x from a Ryzen 5900x, and I’m here to provide some anecdotal results. I did practical real life tests in After Effects 2023. Renders that previously took 25 minutes and 21 minutes (fairly heavy 4K files with intensive effects and layering) took only 3 minutes and 28 seconds and 2 minutes and 54 seconds respectively. So, while the benchmarks and online comparisons show about a 40% gain from Ryzen’s 5900x to their 7950x, I have experienced a much more massive performance boost. I literally got 10x faster renders. I don’t know if that can be expected every time, but so far it has been the case. Last week I needed to render 3 aspect ratios for the previously mentioned 25 minute render (which took over an hour and 10 minutes) and then I did it today as a test for the 7950x andI and had them all ready in just under 11 minutes. That means I saved an hour of time, which, extrapolated out over the course of the work year and the amount of work I do is a massive amount of time savings. If you’re debating getting this or the 13900k, I would recommend AMD simply because these results are incredible. Intel is offering better results on paper, but the point I want to make is that if you’re in a previous generation AMD CPU and you’re a working professional who uses After Effects, this upgrade is well worth the money.
I'm really confused when buying these 2 CPUs. I am using 5950x i have some lag when rendering 3dsmax, while my intel 9900k runs very smooth. If the ryzen 7950x improves on that and is 30% faster than the 5950x that would be great. I will buy 7950x only
@@justarobo_ It's 100W probably heating the room. In a house that already has heating, those 100W will be easily noticeable. It's not a tragedy but it's also not a reasson to be so edgy to people online 🤪
I have just bought a 7700x for my new gaming computer, you are the only one who can honesty compare intel and amd new cpu. All others youtuber in the "world" just say yes to intel instead of any fair comment......... thanks for your video lets me know more about my amd cpu!
very good comparison, always honest and helping people to choose with the truth. Ryzen and Raptor are very close this generation and that is good for the consumer
@@low_etc that's why i asked for verification because on reddit and a motherboard forums there are alot of issues like random restarts, slow boot, bsod
@El Cactuar we're talking about an entire batch here. it's already announced on amd support forum and waiting for bios fix or just RMA, issue is related to memory apparently. Asrock claims they solved it but other board brands were still silent about it.
AMD for me. Thank you. I just wanted to know how little I loose choosing AMD "on paper". Currently in my area 7950X+board+cooler+ram comes cheaper than 13900K+board+ram, before I add adequate cooler to Intel. Intel does need hefti cooling and DDR5 ram and good PSU to pull ahead of Ryzen and that just slightly and not always. Electricity, heat and noise is also important in hot areas. But those who would want to upgrade to 13900k on budget, picking old boards and ram, running it at stock cooler there is question if Intel at faster at any test at all. And we have to understand all theese test are generic and does not always (or at all) reflect (my) workflow.
I run a 24-thread workload 24/7/365 at low-priority. I use both of these chips, and I won't be using AMD anymore for highly-threaded workloads that I don't want to use a lot of power, and don't care how long it takes. Intel let's me push all of this onto efficiency cores and keep my power usage around 21 watts from the CPU package - without using "Low Power" mode. That's at full speed on all E-cores. I find it to be pretty incredible. (The workload is primarily long-term analysis by chess engines, a very demanding task that can be a torture test - but has gone from consuming maximum wattage on any CPU to only 20W on Alder Lake and later. I've even gone back and bought 12th gen laptops with 8 e-cores to get more of this.)
While I agree that the 13900 is the overall cheaper package at this time, I still believe it's necessary to reiterate that is a dead and final platform, whereas the AMD platform is in its infancy. While I see that the motherboards for the AMD platform are more pricey, they are also inherently upgradeable in the future and can easily slot any new AMD CPU, without incurring yet another motherboard cost, as with Intel. For that reason alone I don't mind the slightly higher Motherboard pricing, and knowing that I will be able to upgrade just my CPU, it means a lot more to me.
@@insanejustice7922 Are you high? The AM5 platform is new, that's all it means. You can't be this slow, is this some sort of joke. No, maybe you're a child and i shouldn't be judging but teaching. What I mean is that the 13900 motherboard and socket platform is not going to have any further upgrade options. Whereas AMD has promised to support the AM5 platform past 2025, I did not mean to imply that AMD is new at making CPUs.
I'm all in for the upgradeability aspect of AMD given the AM4 support record but with CPUs this much powerful the average Joe won't be needing an upgrade for next 3-4 years. And even though AMD said they'll support AM5 for long doesn't mean they "WILL" support it for that long. you just can't take the their word for your buying decision. On the other hand 7950x on AM5 would be good for people who upgrade their CPUs within a year or two because it's guaranteed that AMD would support AM5 at least for 2 years from now but then again someone who could spend that much for a high end consumer CPU this frequently can easily afford a new motherboard 1-2 years later.
@Jarrod'sTech, thanks for the comparison information on the new Intel 13900k VS AMD 7950X processor's. Is there any disadvantages on the Z790 and AM5 chipset's on their motherboards? A few years ago there was problems with poor timing on the AMD chipset when compared to Intel's chipset. In my case it was critical to have precise timing to track orbiting sun synchronous satellites which AMD chipset's failed to stay in time. Do any of the new motherboards and chipset's have any problems?
I'm glad you're giving The Riftbreakers some love. Game is great and well optimized. Well, it's been like 3 months since I played it; hopefully they haven't broken it since with an update lol.
i really wished there is power draws and temp comparison too in these comparison its really valuebles info for buyer. people might only see the perf and ignore everything else, IMO power and temp is very important in determining which one is the best cpu . (i bought a 8700k without know how much it takes to cool it when i was younger and im still feelin salty bout it)
@@TheJimyyy you keep saying Intel wins everything which is fucking bullshit. Did you forget how much fucking power it's using to "win". Fan boys never seize to amaze me with thier bullshit statements. Use your head boy.
Its interesting how some benchmarkers show a massive lead for intel, and this one for example shows basically no difference between the two. Its kind of annoying as it seems its hard to trust any of these videos now, and you dont know what goes on behind the scenes. I have pretty high trust for Jarrod, and also Optimum Tech, and both of their reviews have favored AMD more than some others. Is this just because its the same memory kit for both? Happy for input as I am trying to make a decision of which one to go for!
Well, for one, they usually have different RAM. Which does matter. Think of how much you want to spend and see what RAM you'll most likely going to buy, then check the one with the closest RAM bandwidth and timings. If you want absolute maximum performance, Intel seems to the lead easily, as it can properly use DDR5-7200 kits. Though I haven't seen someone actually trying to benchmark 7950X with a DRR5-7200 kit. Also, another thing that seems to matter more this generation - Intel CPU easily thermal throttles. Those who have Intel much more ahead might have better cooling, not just better RAM. So, like I said above, if you want the maximum performance, Intel seems to have a higher cap on that, but it takes some money and effort to get there. If DDR5-6000 with stock settings is perfectly fine, then the R9 7950X is much more hassle free. And you'll have the option to upgrade on the same motherboard in the next years to come.
With differences so small, you're either picking the cheap but dead end option which uses a LOT more power, which will essentially negate the price difference on the long run, or go the future upgradability option which costs more now but it'll pay for itself in a few years... 7950X is king
Actually if u limit the 13900k to like 100 watts, its really power efficent. But intel just tries to squeeze out as much performance as possible to show higher gains to amd and intels previous generations, sadly.
The whole upgradeability argument is overrated at least when it comes to buying the high end chips since you should be using that chip for several years which by then a new socket will likely be introduced by both companies. In terms of power, if you run applications like cinebench then I'd see a reason to favor amd, but in terms of gaming the difference is negligible
This is my 1st AMD cpu in 20 years and I'm more than happy with the 7950X. Especially when I found out that mine undervolts great and with some bios tweaking, now runs almost silent with my Noctua NH-D15.
go with amd, cause intel socket is dead. AMD can just drop in new cpu in a year or three but intel will have 13900k as max it can support on the board. I went with amd this build , cuase I want to be able to drop in New CPU in future. WIth 13900k, when it hits 100% cpu in any game, then time for you to build entire new pc or at minimum change motherboard and cpu. Whereas with amd , just drop in new 7950x3d and keep gaming! I went from 7700K intel to 7700X with amd, so I can upgrade it in future. I didn't want intels 13th gen dead socket. I dont like ripping apart my pc and have to change mobo just to upgrade cpu. That is why I went amd. When my 7700X hits 100% cpu usage in games, BOOM drop in 7950x3d or similar and game on :)
after watching 5,6 different review videos this is the best one yet! Everything is explained and Im getting 7950x and its cheaper too here in my country than 13900k. Thankyou!
will you do a review on power limit test between those two ? like at 100,150, 200 and 250 watts. keeping those ridiculous high temp on multicore workload seems not good for the system longevity.
7950x doesn’t support memory speed higher than 6000MHz while 13900k does. Then why gimp i9 in your review by not allowing higher memory speeds? Also you talked about power usage for Cinebench but no mention of idle poer consumption. 12th gen consumed 9W during idle while Zen3 consumed around 40W. Is it the same story for 13th gen vs Zen4?
@@JoeMama-yl1ow If you want to overclock, that is even more advantageous for Intel. Even using liquid nitrogen cooling, AMD barely reaches around 7200, while Intel 13th gen can reach 11000. It is very clear that 13th gen has a clear memory speed advantage over 7000 series. Using same memory for both artificially limits that advantage and hence not fair.
after using nothing but laptops for the last 10 years im happy that my first desktop build is a 7950x especially if the 13900k is 3% faster at 30% more power I think the savings in electricity and futureproofing will more than make up for the higher cost of amd
Considering in other reviews the 7950X often is the one 3% or so faster in productivity, they may as well be margin of error dead equal. The only 3 main differences being R7950X using a lot less power (over 1 year, the power bill difference will add up), 13900K being a tiny bit cheaper and Socket 1700/Z690/Z790 platform being dead and having less features, while AM5 being the opposite. At leadt 8 out 10 case, Ryzen 7000 would be my go to. But as a mainly gamer, I wouldn't get either and just wait for 1. Mobo and DDR5 prices to settle down a bit more and 2. 7000X3D. Which should last me way into after RDNA4/Blackwell and current console gen refresh launch.
@@spartanfoxie it's hard to be an early adopter so much probs and so much money to spend I want to have am5 but I'm too poor, and except NA the prices for both cpu and mobo are ridiculous af
I've set my 13900KF to 288W max in the BIOS. Negligible difference in Cinebench Multicore score (40 vs 38K approx), and same SC score. Grew tired of seeing the temps spike to 100C - now it seems to top out at around 94 (still high, but don't imagine I'll be seeing that temp unless I benchmark) with a Noctua NH-D15 cooler along with 11 case fans.
@@o_sood94 I considered it, but I do not trust liquids in my very expensive PC. Am I worrying about nothing? Probably, but I know for sure that my air cooler will never short out my components. Besides, I have a very roomy case (Corsair Obsidian 1000D) with a ton of case fans, which equates to good airflow.
The impressive 13900K is simply too hard to cool, and I don't want to go through the same initial challenges and growing pains with AM5 as I did with AM4. If I build a new PC this go-round, it'll be a 13700K on Z690 with DDR5 to replace my 3900X, which will shift to the role that's now covered by a 3600X, which in turn will replace a 6850K. And maybe when Zen 5 is released, I'll ratchet them all down again.
Can you try testing 7950x with smt off in those 3 worst results again (1080p) - Riftbreaker, halo and spiderman? I m just wondering if windows scheduler has some problems or maybe game engines dont play nice with that many threads... Thanks for the content, Jarod
Faster memory makes more of a difference on intel. It is harder to overclock the ram on am5. With the same speed it’s interesting to see they are both basically the same
You have forgotten 1080p/ 4k x265 and AV1 Aom encoding benchmark, escapially i wonder which is better with the new AVX512 in AV1. But anyways, good Video.
@@-opus I know heaps of people who bought 5800x3D's to replace older series processors, buying into AM5 now you have the option to drop in new processors till at least 2025 so its a win win while 1700 is a dead platform.
Gonna wait for another gen or gonna upgrade? I am on my 8700 and waiting for the non k 13700 but conflicted. Should i wait coz the 8700 is still a beast with my 3070
Do you use 6700k? Is the performance good for games like valorant/warzone? How many fps you can get with that cpu? Cause i'm thinking for an upgrade to 6700k but i don't really know how the cpu perform in that kind of game
@@AkshatSTR8EDGE I'm just going to wait for another gen and hope they really get a boost with ddr5 ram and it's even less expensive. I'm very tempted to get an i5 13th or 12th gen but I truly don't need it. I have tech envy but my 6700k and GTX 1070 still do a wonderful job at 1080p for gaming and very minute Drone footage editing.
What would you recommend for FInite Element Analysis and Computational Fluid Dynamics workloads ? Thinking about energy consumption, I see a clear advantage of the 7950X. But thinking about performance in this scenario, it is unclear....any direct experience?
AMD and their boards might be more expensive. But considering that it's at the beginning life of a new platform that can easily last a few gens vs Intel which only uses 2 gens at the most in a platform, the AMD is going to be cheaper in the long run. It's basically pay a lil more now, vs pay a lot later.
Yup, 200MB+ cache 😮 I wonder what that would do with creative applications, leaving games aside 🤔 Its funny intel's working on 6ghz KS model, pushing frequencies can only get them so far... I wonder how a pre binned 7950X3D (maybe a 7950XT3D?) would clock if AMD were to follow intel's space heater shenanigans haha (6ghz vs 6ghz 3d vcache maybe???)
AMD is just amazing Giving a better performance per watt also competing Intel's 2 gen hand to hand is just amazing Intel will play good in the budget segment though as 13600k is just amazing and is better than 7600x
Please reply to me: Asus ROG G15 Advantage edition is good or Asus TUF Dash FX517 (i7-12650H, RTX 3060 6GB 115W with Mux, 16GB DDR5 ) is good for gaming. (Future proof) Or please tell me another gaming Laptop under $1500. ( I watched your G15 Adv. Edi. review video, Ram issue, No mux switch )😶
I've never seen a "stock" 13900K review were it scores over 40K in CB23. Unless it was in power unlocked mode. Really got tired of the way Intel slowly made what is stock or not impossible to tell apart. They really got greedy and desperate for that extra 2% here and there for 20% more power than what respecting their own (already very high and misleading PL2/Tau) boost states. Intel CPUs can be summed with: Ignore whatever is written on the box/specs, get the most expensive cooler you can afford and be ready for your PSU/VRMs to get stressed.
I decided to upgrade my PC in a few years, which means I basically have to rebuild the whole thing. I ordered a 13900k, a new motherboard, new 64gb of DDR5 RAM, and a new 1000w PSU. I'll just end up using my RTX 3080 as the Video Card for now, since I already own it. Good thing is, I'll be able to sell off the I7 10700k, the Z490 mobo, the 700w PSU, and the 64GB of DDR4 RAM. Now I just need to find a buyer in my area.
Ill stay with my 10900k and pair it with a 4090, still a BEAST when it comes to average using / workloads and gaming. Very very fast cpu despite being 3 years old soon, paired with ddr4 4000mhz im pretty sure im good for 3-5 more years with it without a doubt especially if i throw a 4090 in it and swap my 3080. Just refreshed it with a new psu Asus Rog Thor 1200w ( from a corsair RM850x v2), also added a new m2 980 pro 2tb, and then i swapped my regular corsair vengeance 3200mhz 32gb for Corsair vengeance RGB pro 4000mhz 32gb. Also decided to change my corsair h115i pro (280mm rad) since i had it for 2 years and it was time to refresh it so i slapped on a corsair h170i (420mm) rad and now i NEVER see my 10900k go over 60-65c in games. Like i said, im pretty damn sure my 10900k is gonna do me MORE than good for ATLEAST 3-4 more years.
AMD any day. 30 percent less wattage is going to cost far less in a long run than a 40 dollars. Considering current energy prices. Also it performs better at multicore tasks. For games there is now 3d version.
I think we are reaching a point where it doesn't matter what you choose, because nothing or very few applications can take advantage of these speed for now.
@@rocker10039 well, amd 5900x im getting usb drops even till today with all the latest bios and even changing motherboards and rma cpu. Gets quite annoying when the mouse disconnects and reconnects intermittently.
@@bingbing3464 you might have gotten a defective silicon then, or your mouse is the problem, or your motherboard, or that particular usb port, i don't think mouse disconnecting is a cpu problem tbh. I had ther same issue with i5 4310U, a laptop chip, much older but turns out the usb slot is at fault here
@@rocker10039 rma 3 times, changed 4 motherboards. Same mouse works perfectly on my intel setup. It's actually a widespread amd issue with official confirmation. And it's not just the mouse, it's everything connected to the usb will randomly disconnect intermittently.. like for example external soundcard, keyboard, webcam, drives etc Amd's usb all run on their cpu pcie lanes. As for what causing the problem, AMD didnt release a detailed statement but only mentioned they suspected what was causing it. Happens only on zen2 and zen3 tho (x470,b550,x570 boards). Zen and zen+ were fine.
Funny. In other reviews the 13900k is much more superior in the likes of Cyberpunk and Microsoft Flight Simulator with a 10% margin. I wonder why that's not the case here?
Hey I have 8gb ram on my legion 5 and it is lagging (Ryzen 5000 series) I can’t seem to find the adata ram 2x16 DDR4-3200 PC4 25600 what ram would you recommend if I can’t find the adata?
Hi, what benchmark scenario are you using for CSGO? The results are completely different and hugely favour Intel on the standard FPS benchmark map run for ulletucal. Thanks
For this video I'm using the replay of the 2019 Starladder Berlin championship match, Dust II, match 2 of 3. Chosen at random. I used to use teh benchmark, but it doesn't seem to be very useful/accurate anymore.
So it doesnt really matter what you pick? I mean from an upgrade perspective , it often doesn't make sense to upgrade a single component anyways , as old tech will bottleneck new tech ... like if you put a RTX 4090 in a 5 year old PC it's not going to perform optimal. With CPU's you have RAM and lane speeds ...and ultimately perhaps even power suplies
I went intel based on the lower cost, current best performance, and the fact I rarely upgrade just the CPU and usually not for a few years anyways. Having to upgrade the motherboard sucks but will likely be doing that if I want higher performance anyways, since the RAM likely will change too at that point. Pick whatever best works for you priorities. AM5 offers upgradability while the 13th gen is just the more powerful cheaper processor currently.
FINALLY, an attempt at an apples to apples comparison. Same RAM kit. Everybody else has just done what intel wanted and gave them a 400mhz memory advantage.
Hi I'm looking for PC specialist Ionico 15 (aka tongfang GM5TGY7) I7-11800H RTX 3070 and I hesitate cause I don't have experience with this brand. The PC look strong and beautiful but I would like to know if it handles the heat well and if it can last a few years
Check both processors in guild wars 2, dragons end zone, whichever reaches 60 fps and whitstand staying above that during 4k on max settings (nothing excluded) is the true champion. Everything matters there, Proccesor max Ghz, processor cache size, RAM, GPU raw power, everything. I already know that intel i9 13900ks with nvidia 4090 can reach 80 fps on max settings with ddr5 6ghz on 4k, its just not tested in dragons end.
Have y’all seen the prices of the 13900K lately?? It’s above $700 most places that have it in stock and there’s even scalpers on Amazon going as high as $800. Heck, even Amazon itself was selling at $742 last night. So yeah, where is this supposed “13900K” is more affordable???
Hey guys just wanna ask, msi just released a new laptop which is the ge67 raider that basically has the same specs as gt77. My question is, I'm basically looking for a review about that laptop (ge67) with 3080 ti and the i9 12900hx and i couldn't find any, so if i watch jarrod's review about the gt77, will it be basically the same as ge67? I'm a literal novice at laptops and such. Thanks in advance
Both of these CPUs are impressive, particularly compared to my now lowly 1700. Intel gets the edge because of the integrated graphics, if you need that, like if you want to run something that can benefit from Quicksync. AMD gets the edge because you can drop the power 60% down to 65W but still get 80% of the multi-thread performance. So you could run it at 65W for most things and save some heat and money and when you need the heavy workloads just turn it up to 170W. That flexibility is nice.
It's crazy that AMD and Intel are now at parity with each other on performance. They've got 2 completely different methods of getting there, but performance is so similar that you probably wouldn't be able to tell a difference with the 2 machines side-by-side. Fantastic!
go with amd, cause intel socket is dead. AMD can just drop in new cpu in a year or three but intel will have 13900k as max it can support on the board. I went with amd this build , cuase I want to be able to drop in New CPU in future. WIth 13900k, when it hits 100% cpu in any game, then time for you to build entire new pc or at minimum change motherboard and cpu. Whereas with amd , just drop in new 7950x3d and keep gaming!
@@FrostyBud777 Or... some people update their systems every 6 or 7 years so after that, they sell their PC (or keep it) and build a complete new system?
But I forgot that most people don't think that anyone else can have a different way of doing things than them...
@@godnyx117 No one wants to buy a dusty old PC when they can get a budget one for cheap. By the time you want to sell it they can get a comparable one for under $1k. Most people do not want to build a new rig every 3 years. For instance I had my first rig for 17 years with minor upgrades here and there. I am getting to max CPU usage now and it is intel so I have to upgrade. Being able to get a new CPU after 4-5 years and selling it seems massively more efficient. Not to mention it uses about 30-40% less power which saves on electricity. Unless you are doing work on your computer the AMD is a no brainer.
@@Koreryn "Most people" have a simple PC and have a life outside. They don't "work" or "game" in their PCs, so there is no need for a "strong" one.
Except for TrashTube on Firefox which is slow af, even a 5-year-old PC like mine will literally fly!
@@godnyx117if 2 cpus give identical performance then you go with the one that has other advantages (power efficiency, platform longevity)
Thanks for that video, I decided to stay with AMD and go for AM5 since I really like the idea of having a long term platform. It will be a great performance boost compare to my 3900x cpu.
Thank you so much for including MSFS in your benchmark suite. It amazes me most CPU reviewers neglect including this heavily CPU bound title in their gaming tests.
No worries!
Where do you see MSFS included ? One of the timestamps says MSFS but it's actually Forza horizon. MSFS is only seen at the end when comparing all games.
will disabling 8 cores on the 7950x boost gaming performance? my 5900x gets a boost when I disable 4 cores of the other core die on gaming, will it happen here as well ?
How do you disable it on win10 when you automatically play a game?
Or do you need to manually disable it on task manager?
@@dafaqu694 manually disable while on game, boosted my FPS on CSGO
the game only use around 4-8 cores. as amd chiplet had 2 die's. the first (8 cores) die perform faster than 2nd die. intel also use their P cores to perform, while the e cores just to be use at productivity apps
Yes it will. Riftbreaker for example runs much better on 1 CCD.
They’re both so fast I doubt I would ever notice even if I switched them back and forth.
One gets hot and one can burn your house down. Chose wisely
@@markgutierez9922 lmao
@@markgutierez9922 🤣🤣🤣
@@markgutierez9922 😂😂😂😂
@@markgutierez9922 lol ......
It seems once again Jarrod deserves praise for using the same memory kit for both platforms. Almost everyone else has used DDR5-6400 on intel, giving the 13th gen an advantage there.
sure but you think paying more for dd5 memory than the CPU is worth is normal? do an analysis of how much it will cost you aio 420mm and a super fast dd5 to get these results. I bet most 13gen users will be buying ddr4.
I think both cases are valid though, especially for those with deeper pockets. Ideally there are multiple benchmarks to be run, for different workloads or user types:
- best bang for buck - which would include having cheaper memory, I guess somewhere between DDR5 5200 to DDR 6000. And a normal cooler.
- best performance - for those who have deeper pockets (I mean, simply going for this kind of CPU is already putting you in a niche market) - and here going with DDR 5 6800 or 7200 for Intel might be the thing. Here I would also mention things like spending some time to check undervolting and in general spending some time to optimize the CPUs performance, including having a beefy cooler. And I don't simply mean overclocking, but checking that for example the motherboard doesn't have an overly high (safe) voltage for the CPU which might consume needless power and throttle your CPU sooner (especially true for 13900K)
- best efficiency - this would also need to including optimizing for efficiency, since those who actually care about this, wouldn't let these basically overclocked CPUs run at their stock settings.
Man I've been waiting for this. I've been asking Hardware Unboxed to do the same, but he has refused to do so on his tests. These tests are only fair if all things are equal.
@@thelastwordingamingandtech7198 That's subjective. If Intel can do better than DDR5-6000, then why limit it ? It's an objective advantage that Intel has, ignoring it would be a disadvantage to Intel, aka not fair.
No. This is like saying using ddr5 on zen 4 or intel 12, 13th gen makes it unfair to comapre to zen 3.
Good video. Few people will be buying Ryzen 7000 until the "X3D" cpu's are released in January. Most people using Intel are simply doing a bios update and then switching out their 12th gen for a 13th gen cpu. The i7-13700K seems to be the sweet spot, it's practically an i9 i9-12900k.
7600x was supposed to be faster or the same as 12900k. But for gaming, no makes sense to be choice over i5/R5
People that only look at FPS will buy intel. People that know what to look will go for Ryzen 7000. Aldo, 13700k is nice CPU, same as 13600k.
Unless you can sell your 12th gen for the exact same price you bought it for, no one should be going from 12th to 13th. Even a 4090 can't unlock the full potential of 12th gen. And 99.9% of gamers have gpu's less powerful than a 6600/3060. It's always better to buy the new $300-$500 gpu over the new $300-$500 cpu until your CPU is finally at its max.
So, the RX 7600 or 7600XT should be a lot cheaper than the 13700K and give you a lot more frames in gaming on your 12th gen than the 13700K will get you on your current GPU.
Or when the 6900XT hits $500 go that route because I have a sneaky suspicion that AMD will go the route of Nvidia and the 7600 or XT will actually just be a 6500XT. lol Not really, but you get what I'm saying.
Intel did a fantastic job. AMD majorly screwed up with DDR4 support and AM5 board prices. And yeah most people waiting for 3D versions.
@@TechRIP true
Respect for AMD's power efficiency
by default Zen 3 is more efficient
but if you know how to tweak the Zen 4 then yes, efficiency is out the scale
@@GewelReal As well as Intel, you can tweak Intel pretty good as well.
Stop the blind fanboy stance. Intel runs cooler when at the same voltage and performs better
@@xslvrxslwt not compare to AMD though, they are miles behind... for Intel that hasn't made efficient cpus since forever yes it's an improvement... and in laptops it's going to look pretty bad for intel compare to AMD... but AMD needs to produce more volume that they already do to increase their market share...
@@xslvrxslwt and lose 50% performance lol
Yeah I went for the 7950X for the same reasons. One, because of the upgradability of the platform. And two, and more importantly for me at the moment, the drastically lower power usage. I live in the UK where we've been going through an energy crisis the last couple years and my electric bill on it's own is still well over double what it used to be even with all devices I've turned off when not in use in vain attempts to lower energy costs. So with the core upgrade I'm working on at the moment, energy efficiency became a huge factor in my buying decision. The 7950X is a lot faster than my current CPU and uses a lot less power, so that put it high up on my list of prospects pretty much immediately, and has pretty much made Intel a no go for me.
For me, here in the UK, 110 Watts more power to achieve only a couple percentage more performance, just isn't worth it for me. Not when I have to pay that bill every month. So I waited for prices to come down a bit and managed to get my 7950X for 560 quid. 500 quid effectively if I discount the cost of Star Wars Jedi Survivor I got with it for free, which I had planned to buy anyway. The motherboard cost is going to be the most painful, but with future upgradability assured, I guess I can stomach the upfront cost.
It's so strange to me that I can't find a single comprehensive comparison between both processors for After Effects. Since it relies heavily on a higher base clock speed (even with the development of multi frame rendering) I'd assume the 7950x is actually better for intensive workflows, but I'd like to see actual render times.
*Follow up*: I went to a Ryzen 7950x from a Ryzen 5900x, and I’m here to provide some anecdotal results.
I did practical real life tests in After Effects 2023. Renders that previously took 25 minutes and 21 minutes (fairly heavy 4K files with intensive effects and layering) took only 3 minutes and 28 seconds and 2 minutes and 54 seconds respectively.
So, while the benchmarks and online comparisons show about a 40% gain from Ryzen’s 5900x to their 7950x, I have experienced a much more massive performance boost. I literally got 10x faster renders. I don’t know if that can be expected every time, but so far it has been the case.
Last week I needed to render 3 aspect ratios for the previously mentioned 25 minute render (which took over an hour and 10 minutes) and then I did it today as a test for the 7950x andI and had them all ready in just under 11 minutes. That means I saved an hour of time, which, extrapolated out over the course of the work year and the amount of work I do is a massive amount of time savings.
If you’re debating getting this or the 13900k, I would recommend AMD simply because these results are incredible. Intel is offering better results on paper, but the point I want to make is that if you’re in a previous generation AMD CPU and you’re a working professional who uses After Effects, this upgrade is well worth the money.
OMG, thanks! I was looking for something related to after effects and your statement was very helpful!
I'm really confused when buying these 2 CPUs. I am using 5950x i have some lag when rendering 3dsmax, while my intel 9900k runs very smooth. If the ryzen 7950x improves on that and is 30% faster than the 5950x that would be great. I will buy 7950x only
Wow that’s insane! Can you tell me your other specs?
@@GoldmannDesigns 128gb DDR5 Corsair Dominator, 4x Samsung 980 pro nVME SSDs, RTX 3090, ROG STRIX x670e
@@kennonfleisher which cooling ?
31% less power consumption is a no brainer tbh
Yea this video just changed my mind drastically I need my room as cool as possible 😎
Intel cpus will be good in winter.
@@JayFRL ah yes 4 degrees cooler so much
@@justarobo_ It's 100W probably heating the room. In a house that already has heating, those 100W will be easily noticeable. It's not a tragedy but it's also not a reasson to be so edgy to people online 🤪
AMD has eco mode
I have just bought a 7700x for my new gaming computer, you are the only one who can honesty compare intel and amd new cpu.
All others youtuber in the "world" just say yes to intel instead of any fair comment.........
thanks for your video lets me know more about my amd cpu!
Great video !! Kudos of methodology of testing . Very informative
Glad you liked it!
very good comparison, always honest and helping people to choose with the truth. Ryzen and Raptor are very close this generation and that is good for the consumer
Hopefully someone could verify zen4 stability. My friend who is running a pc shop is currently handling alot of RMA request for zen4.
@@bingbing3464 stop spreading misinformation, reviews from buyers online are great
@@low_etc that's why i asked for verification because on reddit and a motherboard forums there are alot of issues like random restarts, slow boot, bsod
@El Cactuar we're talking about an entire batch here. it's already announced on amd support forum and waiting for bios fix or just RMA, issue is related to memory apparently. Asrock claims they solved it but other board brands were still silent about it.
@El Cactuar sorry, never realized my typo. I assumed you added the asterisk to imply "lot" as a single item instead of a large batch of cpus.
AMD for me. Thank you. I just wanted to know how little I loose choosing AMD "on paper". Currently in my area 7950X+board+cooler+ram comes cheaper than 13900K+board+ram, before I add adequate cooler to Intel. Intel does need hefti cooling and DDR5 ram and good PSU to pull ahead of Ryzen and that just slightly and not always. Electricity, heat and noise is also important in hot areas. But those who would want to upgrade to 13900k on budget, picking old boards and ram, running it at stock cooler there is question if Intel at faster at any test at all. And we have to understand all theese test are generic and does not always (or at all) reflect (my) workflow.
I run a 24-thread workload 24/7/365 at low-priority. I use both of these chips, and I won't be using AMD anymore for highly-threaded workloads that I don't want to use a lot of power, and don't care how long it takes. Intel let's me push all of this onto efficiency cores and keep my power usage around 21 watts from the CPU package - without using "Low Power" mode. That's at full speed on all E-cores. I find it to be pretty incredible. (The workload is primarily long-term analysis by chess engines, a very demanding task that can be a torture test - but has gone from consuming maximum wattage on any CPU to only 20W on Alder Lake and later. I've even gone back and bought 12th gen laptops with 8 e-cores to get more of this.)
While I agree that the 13900 is the overall cheaper package at this time, I still believe it's necessary to reiterate that is a dead and final platform, whereas the AMD platform is in its infancy.
While I see that the motherboards for the AMD platform are more pricey, they are also inherently upgradeable in the future and can easily slot any new AMD CPU, without incurring yet another motherboard cost, as with Intel.
For that reason alone I don't mind the slightly higher Motherboard pricing, and knowing that I will be able to upgrade just my CPU, it means a lot more to me.
😂😂😂😂😂 dude do you even know what you’re talking about do you know when amd start making cpu ? 😂😂😂
@@insanejustice7922 Are you high? The AM5 platform is new, that's all it means.
You can't be this slow, is this some sort of joke.
No, maybe you're a child and i shouldn't be judging but teaching.
What I mean is that the 13900 motherboard and socket platform is not going to have any further upgrade options.
Whereas AMD has promised to support the AM5 platform past 2025, I did not mean to imply that AMD is new at making CPUs.
@@FoxvoxDK I’m so slow that I have a 7950x and a 13900k in my desk so I’m super slow what about you 🤷🏻♂️🤣🤣🤣
I'm all in for the upgradeability aspect of AMD given the AM4 support record but with CPUs this much powerful the average Joe won't be needing an upgrade for next 3-4 years. And even though AMD said they'll support AM5 for long doesn't mean they "WILL" support it for that long. you just can't take the their word for your buying decision.
On the other hand 7950x on AM5 would be good for people who upgrade their CPUs within a year or two because it's guaranteed that AMD would support AM5 at least for 2 years from now but then again someone who could spend that much for a high end consumer CPU this frequently can easily afford a new motherboard 1-2 years later.
@@aniketbilenia8740 correct and that’s my case I have both systems ,,,,, and great video keep up the hard work I appreciate it
@Jarrod'sTech, thanks for the comparison information on the new Intel 13900k VS AMD 7950X processor's. Is there any disadvantages on the Z790 and AM5 chipset's on their motherboards? A few years ago there was problems with poor timing on the AMD chipset when compared to Intel's chipset. In my case it was critical to have precise timing to track orbiting sun synchronous satellites which AMD chipset's failed to stay in time. Do any of the new motherboards and chipset's have any problems?
Are you going to compare or review the 13700k soon? I think the 13900k is not for me as well.
I'm glad you're giving The Riftbreakers some love. Game is great and well optimized. Well, it's been like 3 months since I played it; hopefully they haven't broken it since with an update lol.
It's even better now! The Metal Terror DLC is pretty wicked... :3
@@imglidinhere oh! Gotta play it again! The title alone sounds hard-core lol
@@IraJavier They added a new wall variant too with the DLC. It's probably my favorite part. :D
Summary:
13900k
- 5% faster
- $40 cheaper
7950x
- AM5 longevity
- Uses 30% less power
30%?! cmon dont talk bullshit bro,almost the same preformance and 30% less power cmon hahah!
@@Vujkan it was literally in video, how is he talking bullshit ?
Yes, not all want to see the longevity of AM5 and that eventually we will switch to DDR5.
The $40 price "advantage" is easily eaten by bigger cooling and PSU you need for the 13900K. Not even starting to talk about the power bill.
@@nipa5961 true
i really wished there is power draws and temp comparison too in these comparison its really valuebles info for buyer. people might only see the perf and ignore everything else, IMO power and temp is very important in determining which one is the best cpu . (i bought a 8700k without know how much it takes to cool it when i was younger and im still feelin salty bout it)
I'm happy that they are so equal in performance so hopefully they will both cut prices soon.
they not very equal . in have a signifiant boots on perfo whit intel in most game
@@TheJimyyy In 1080p gaming RPL is 3% faster. Zen 4 is a bit faster in productivity.
In total they are very similar.
@@nipa5961 no lol the benchmark show that intel win in almost everyting . also in the video he also said that intel is winning mosly everywhere ! XD
@@craighutchinson6856 is more than 3%
@@TheJimyyy you keep saying Intel wins everything which is fucking bullshit. Did you forget how much fucking power it's using to "win". Fan boys never seize to amaze me with thier bullshit statements. Use your head boy.
Its interesting how some benchmarkers show a massive lead for intel, and this one for example shows basically no difference between the two. Its kind of annoying as it seems its hard to trust any of these videos now, and you dont know what goes on behind the scenes. I have pretty high trust for Jarrod, and also Optimum Tech, and both of their reviews have favored AMD more than some others. Is this just because its the same memory kit for both? Happy for input as I am trying to make a decision of which one to go for!
Well, for one, they usually have different RAM. Which does matter. Think of how much you want to spend and see what RAM you'll most likely going to buy, then check the one with the closest RAM bandwidth and timings. If you want absolute maximum performance, Intel seems to the lead easily, as it can properly use DDR5-7200 kits. Though I haven't seen someone actually trying to benchmark 7950X with a DRR5-7200 kit.
Also, another thing that seems to matter more this generation - Intel CPU easily thermal throttles. Those who have Intel much more ahead might have better cooling, not just better RAM.
So, like I said above, if you want the maximum performance, Intel seems to have a higher cap on that, but it takes some money and effort to get there. If DDR5-6000 with stock settings is perfectly fine, then the R9 7950X is much more hassle free. And you'll have the option to upgrade on the same motherboard in the next years to come.
1 of my friends have 7950 and the other have 13900k. Clearly intel is faster. But its just numbers. All these processors are very powerful.
With differences so small, you're either picking the cheap but dead end option which uses a LOT more power, which will essentially negate the price difference on the long run, or go the future upgradability option which costs more now but it'll pay for itself in a few years... 7950X is king
finally someone understands it 😭
Actually if u limit the 13900k to like 100 watts, its really power efficent.
But intel just tries to squeeze out as much performance as possible to show higher gains to amd and intels previous generations, sadly.
@@AlienGurke Fuck both sides do amazing when undervolted lmao
@@AlienGurke While thats true, same applies for AMD. Both didnt do a great job there
The whole upgradeability argument is overrated at least when it comes to buying the high end chips since you should be using that chip for several years which by then a new socket will likely be introduced by both companies. In terms of power, if you run applications like cinebench then I'd see a reason to favor amd, but in terms of gaming the difference is negligible
Wow. Just an awesome video thanks bud
thats a solid video, thanks for spending that time testing those cpu, greets
One of the best comparison videos I have seen.
This is my 1st AMD cpu in 20 years and I'm more than happy with the 7950X. Especially when I found out that mine undervolts great and with some bios tweaking, now runs almost silent with my Noctua NH-D15.
go with amd, cause intel socket is dead. AMD can just drop in new cpu in a year or three but intel will have 13900k as max it can support on the board. I went with amd this build , cuase I want to be able to drop in New CPU in future. WIth 13900k, when it hits 100% cpu in any game, then time for you to build entire new pc or at minimum change motherboard and cpu. Whereas with amd , just drop in new 7950x3d and keep gaming!
I went from 7700K intel to 7700X with amd, so I can upgrade it in future. I didn't want intels 13th gen dead socket. I dont like ripping apart my pc and have to change mobo just to upgrade cpu. That is why I went amd. When my 7700X hits 100% cpu usage in games, BOOM drop in 7950x3d or similar and game on :)
@@FrostyBud777 dude is mindlessly copy pasting 💀
What is cpu temp 7950x on Nh d15
after watching 5,6 different review videos this is the best one yet! Everything is explained and Im getting 7950x and its cheaper too here in my country than 13900k. Thankyou!
wow i love Jarrods's Tech because is that awesome detail
will you do a review on power limit test between those two ? like at 100,150, 200 and 250 watts. keeping those ridiculous high temp on multicore workload seems not good for the system longevity.
Watch derbauer
Thank you so much for investing so much time in this wonderful video!
Waiting for X3D parts
Another awesome video! 🤙😎
Thanks for the informative content...
PC cpu competition is very boring this year at high end. Laptop competition will be very interesting with dragon range.
7950x doesn’t support memory speed higher than 6000MHz while 13900k does. Then why gimp i9 in your review by not allowing higher memory speeds?
Also you talked about power usage for Cinebench but no mention of idle poer consumption. 12th gen consumed 9W during idle while Zen3 consumed around 40W. Is it the same story for 13th gen vs Zen4?
Wrong it dont supprot it but will do it do it for sure i have mine running 6000, clocked to 6800 with Eeclk running asyncronous.
@@JoeMama-yl1ow If you want to overclock, that is even more advantageous for Intel. Even using liquid nitrogen cooling, AMD barely reaches around 7200, while Intel 13th gen can reach 11000. It is very clear that 13th gen has a clear memory speed advantage over 7000 series. Using same memory for both artificially limits that advantage and hence not fair.
Wrong
after using nothing but laptops for the last 10 years im happy that my first desktop build is a 7950x especially if the 13900k is 3% faster at 30% more power I think the savings in electricity and futureproofing will more than make up for the higher cost of amd
Go for eco mode to reduce the heat, I heard even in the lower wattage there is only 3-5% difference for much cooler temp
Considering in other reviews the 7950X often is the one 3% or so faster in productivity, they may as well be margin of error dead equal.
The only 3 main differences being R7950X using a lot less power (over 1 year, the power bill difference will add up), 13900K being a tiny bit cheaper and Socket 1700/Z690/Z790 platform being dead and having less features, while AM5 being the opposite.
At leadt 8 out 10 case, Ryzen 7000 would be my go to.
But as a mainly gamer, I wouldn't get either and just wait for 1. Mobo and DDR5 prices to settle down a bit more and 2. 7000X3D.
Which should last me way into after RDNA4/Blackwell and current console gen refresh launch.
@@dafaqu694 thats the plan ive just been having issues with the ram which i think is now fixed so now i can focus on optimisation
@@spartanfoxie it's hard to be an early adopter so much probs and so much money to spend
I want to have am5 but I'm too poor, and except NA the prices for both cpu and mobo are ridiculous af
And 33% less cores
I've set my 13900KF to 288W max in the BIOS. Negligible difference in Cinebench Multicore score (40 vs 38K approx), and same SC score. Grew tired of seeing the temps spike to 100C - now it seems to top out at around 94 (still high, but don't imagine I'll be seeing that temp unless I benchmark) with a Noctua NH-D15 cooler along with 11 case fans.
may want to consider a 360mm AIO. these new cpu's run hot and as good as the Noctua is, air-cooled doesn't seem optimal
@@o_sood94 I considered it, but I do not trust liquids in my very expensive PC. Am I worrying about nothing? Probably, but I know for sure that my air cooler will never short out my components.
Besides, I have a very roomy case (Corsair Obsidian 1000D) with a ton of case fans, which equates to good airflow.
@@PragmaticTornado fair enough! May I ask, if you are a gamer and how does it perform? Thanks. I’m on 13700k
@@o_sood94 I have my 13900k cooled with a noctua nh-u12a, seems perfectly fine.
@@drunkhusband6257 what temps do you get? do you undervolt?
Great video!
Next time you test games, would it be a way for you to test the game "second life" since its really hard on PC's
The impressive 13900K is simply too hard to cool, and I don't want to go through the same initial challenges and growing pains with AM5 as I did with AM4. If I build a new PC this go-round, it'll be a 13700K on Z690 with DDR5 to replace my 3900X, which will shift to the role that's now covered by a 3600X, which in turn will replace a 6850K. And maybe when Zen 5 is released, I'll ratchet them all down again.
13900k is not hard to cool, it runs cooler than my 9900k
Can you try testing 7950x with smt off in those 3 worst results again (1080p) - Riftbreaker, halo and spiderman? I m just wondering if windows scheduler has some problems or maybe game engines dont play nice with that many threads... Thanks for the content, Jarod
disabling a CCD will be better
@@rdmz135 i dont think so
good vid mate
"Electricity doesn't just grow on batteries" - LOL! Good one! :)
Hi. In test total system power draw uses only cpu? Gpu is in idle ?
Faster memory makes more of a difference on intel. It is harder to overclock the ram on am5. With the same speed it’s interesting to see they are both basically the same
Now is not harder with AMD EXPO :)
You have forgotten 1080p/ 4k x265 and AV1 Aom encoding benchmark, escapially i wonder which is better with the new AVX512 in AV1. But anyways, good Video.
Thanks for the review! Could you possibly share the difference between the 13900K and 7950X3D for Dota 2 at 1440p and 4K?
Don't forget that buying AM5 platform is more futureproof.
only if you plan on upgrading the cpu in the future, something which very few people tend to do.
@@-opus I know heaps of people who bought 5800x3D's to replace older series processors, buying into AM5 now you have the option to drop in new processors till at least 2025 so its a win win while 1700 is a dead platform.
@@-opus everyone upgrades their cpu eventually
@@voluntarism335 Very few people upgrade their cpu, without also upgrading the motherboard. That also generally only occurs in a new system.
Intel best of all time FOREWER
Good Job!
12:05
Lisa Sue must be happy after hearing this. 🤣
Both AMD and Intel have become amazing. I'm drooling here with my i7 6700k!
Gonna wait for another gen or gonna upgrade? I am on my 8700 and waiting for the non k 13700 but conflicted. Should i wait coz the 8700 is still a beast with my 3070
Do you use 6700k? Is the performance good for games like valorant/warzone? How many fps you can get with that cpu? Cause i'm thinking for an upgrade to 6700k but i don't really know how the cpu perform in that kind of game
@@AkshatSTR8EDGE you can easy skip this generation, z790 is dead anyways
@@georgitodorov4048 genuine question. Why is it dead though?
@@AkshatSTR8EDGE I'm just going to wait for another gen and hope they really get a boost with ddr5 ram and it's even less expensive. I'm very tempted to get an i5 13th or 12th gen but I truly don't need it. I have tech envy but my 6700k and GTX 1070 still do a wonderful job at 1080p for gaming and very minute Drone footage editing.
What would you recommend for FInite Element Analysis and Computational Fluid Dynamics workloads ? Thinking about energy consumption, I see a clear advantage of the 7950X. But thinking about performance in this scenario, it is unclear....any direct experience?
AMD and their boards might be more expensive. But considering that it's at the beginning life of a new platform that can easily last a few gens vs Intel which only uses 2 gens at the most in a platform, the AMD is going to be cheaper in the long run. It's basically pay a lil more now, vs pay a lot later.
You should use some distinct visual when portraying higher/lower score are better.
whenever they release the next gen 7950 3D its gonna be great
Yup, 200MB+ cache 😮
I wonder what that would do with creative applications, leaving games aside 🤔
Its funny intel's working on 6ghz KS model, pushing frequencies can only get them so far...
I wonder how a pre binned 7950X3D (maybe a 7950XT3D?) would clock if AMD were to follow intel's space heater shenanigans haha (6ghz vs 6ghz 3d vcache maybe???)
AMD slashed their prices so i think the dollar to frame comparison is off now, but over all amazing video!
One of the best comparisons
AMD is just amazing
Giving a better performance per watt also competing Intel's 2 gen hand to hand is just amazing
Intel will play good in the budget segment though as 13600k is just amazing and is better than 7600x
yea
Best review so far!
Hi guys I was wondering how many future generations that the 7950x corresponding motherboard/chipsets will support?
Я думаю что довольно много, т. к. материнская плата на B450 предназначенная для семейства R5 поддерживает даже 8-ми ядерные R7, причем с разгоном.
Thanks for the great video. Very well done.
Glad you enjoyed it!
What I find crazy is that all games are above 100fps which at that point it doesn't matter what you get!
Me intently staring and analyzing the data for 2 CPUs I can't afford even in my dreams - 🗿
Please reply to me: Asus ROG G15 Advantage edition is good or Asus TUF Dash FX517 (i7-12650H, RTX 3060 6GB 115W with Mux, 16GB DDR5 ) is good for gaming. (Future proof) Or please tell me another gaming Laptop under $1500. ( I watched your G15 Adv. Edi. review video, Ram issue, No mux switch )😶
Should i get the amd 7950? Especially since i use rpcs3
Should the x3d version be significantly better at each tier,and should it be worth waiting for?
depends on the workload, but if we compare what x3d did for the 5800x we can see it worked wonders.
for gaming yes x3d will be nice
I've never seen a "stock" 13900K review were it scores over 40K in CB23. Unless it was in power unlocked mode.
Really got tired of the way Intel slowly made what is stock or not impossible to tell apart. They really got greedy and desperate for that extra 2% here and there for 20% more power than what respecting their own (already very high and misleading PL2/Tau) boost states.
Intel CPUs can be summed with: Ignore whatever is written on the box/specs, get the most expensive cooler you can afford and be ready for your PSU/VRMs to get stressed.
did not overclock i9 for this test? would have been nice to see if intel gains much :P
so close. but 7950x would be better in the long run.
I decided to upgrade my PC in a few years, which means I basically have to rebuild the whole thing. I ordered a 13900k, a new motherboard, new 64gb of DDR5 RAM, and a new 1000w PSU. I'll just end up using my RTX 3080 as the Video Card for now, since I already own it. Good thing is, I'll be able to sell off the I7 10700k, the Z490 mobo, the 700w PSU, and the 64GB of DDR4 RAM. Now I just need to find a buyer in my area.
Sorry, I meant upgrade it for the first time in few years.
Please make a video regarding upcoming mobile CPU's and GPU's. What to expect, estimate availability on market.
You might find my buy now or wait video useful:ruclips.net/video/JUTNVGayg9A/видео.html
So on average Intel offers 2% more performance while consuming 30% more power. How can this be a "better value per frame" ???
Ill stay with my 10900k and pair it with a 4090, still a BEAST when it comes to average using / workloads and gaming.
Very very fast cpu despite being 3 years old soon, paired with ddr4 4000mhz im pretty sure im good for 3-5 more years with it without a doubt especially if i throw a 4090 in it and swap my 3080.
Just refreshed it with a new psu Asus Rog Thor 1200w ( from a corsair RM850x v2), also added a new m2 980 pro 2tb, and then i swapped my regular corsair vengeance 3200mhz 32gb for Corsair vengeance RGB pro 4000mhz 32gb.
Also decided to change my corsair h115i pro (280mm rad) since i had it for 2 years and it was time to refresh it so i slapped on a corsair h170i (420mm) rad and now i NEVER see my 10900k go over 60-65c in games.
Like i said, im pretty damn sure my 10900k is gonna do me MORE than good for ATLEAST 3-4 more years.
AMD any day. 30 percent less wattage is going to cost far less in a long run than a 40 dollars. Considering current energy prices. Also it performs better at multicore tasks. For games there is now 3d version.
Meanwhile Amd and intel fan boys fighting in the comments:
Now I don't know which one to buy I like Amd but intel has performance
I think we are reaching a point where it doesn't matter what you choose, because nothing or very few applications can take advantage of these speed for now.
May need to consider stability too.
@@bingbing3464 they are both pretty stable tbh, 99% of users won't experience crashes
@@rocker10039 well, amd 5900x im getting usb drops even till today with all the latest bios and even changing motherboards and rma cpu. Gets quite annoying when the mouse disconnects and reconnects intermittently.
@@bingbing3464 you might have gotten a defective silicon then, or your mouse is the problem, or your motherboard, or that particular usb port, i don't think mouse disconnecting is a cpu problem tbh. I had ther same issue with i5 4310U, a laptop chip, much older but turns out the usb slot is at fault here
@@rocker10039 rma 3 times, changed 4 motherboards. Same mouse works perfectly on my intel setup. It's actually a widespread amd issue with official confirmation. And it's not just the mouse, it's everything connected to the usb will randomly disconnect intermittently.. like for example external soundcard, keyboard, webcam, drives etc
Amd's usb all run on their cpu pcie lanes. As for what causing the problem, AMD didnt release a detailed statement but only mentioned they suspected what was causing it. Happens only on zen2 and zen3 tho (x470,b550,x570 boards). Zen and zen+ were fine.
Funny. In other reviews the 13900k is much more superior in the likes of Cyberpunk and Microsoft Flight Simulator with a 10% margin. I wonder why that's not the case here?
Hey I have 8gb ram on my legion 5 and it is lagging (Ryzen 5000 series) I can’t seem to find the adata ram 2x16 DDR4-3200 PC4 25600 what ram would you recommend if I can’t find the adata?
13900K better RAM compatibility, way faster RAM better bios, does not burn 🔥
Hi, what benchmark scenario are you using for CSGO?
The results are completely different and hugely favour Intel on the standard FPS benchmark map run for ulletucal.
Thanks
For this video I'm using the replay of the 2019 Starladder Berlin championship match, Dust II, match 2 of 3. Chosen at random. I used to use teh benchmark, but it doesn't seem to be very useful/accurate anymore.
So it doesnt really matter what you pick?
I mean from an upgrade perspective , it often doesn't make sense to upgrade a single component anyways , as old tech will bottleneck new tech ... like if you put a RTX 4090 in a 5 year old PC it's not going to perform optimal.
With CPU's you have RAM and lane speeds ...and ultimately perhaps even power suplies
I went intel based on the lower cost, current best performance, and the fact I rarely upgrade just the CPU and usually not for a few years anyways. Having to upgrade the motherboard sucks but will likely be doing that if I want higher performance anyways, since the RAM likely will change too at that point.
Pick whatever best works for you priorities. AM5 offers upgradability while the 13th gen is just the more powerful cheaper processor currently.
Could you do a review on the Dell G16 that came out in summer 2022?
i jumped from r7 2700 to r7 5800x3d,seems like i will buy the 9000 amd or sth since r7 5800x3d is still sooooo good for the price i paid recently
FINALLY, an attempt at an apples to apples comparison. Same RAM kit. Everybody else has just done what intel wanted and gave them a 400mhz memory advantage.
Hi I'm looking for PC specialist Ionico 15 (aka tongfang GM5TGY7) I7-11800H RTX 3070 and I hesitate cause I don't have experience with this brand. The PC look strong and beautiful but I would like to know if it handles the heat well and if it can last a few years
Check both processors in guild wars 2, dragons end zone, whichever reaches 60 fps and whitstand staying above that during 4k on max settings (nothing excluded) is the true champion. Everything matters there, Proccesor max Ghz, processor cache size, RAM, GPU raw power, everything. I already know that intel i9 13900ks with nvidia 4090 can reach 80 fps on max settings with ddr5 6ghz on 4k, its just not tested in dragons end.
I picked up the 13900k at Microcenter for $550
Do you think you could compare laptop CPU with desktop CPU? Like the Intel i9 12th gen?
I think he has already and they are surprisingly close.
Have y’all seen the prices of the 13900K lately?? It’s above $700 most places that have it in stock and there’s even scalpers on Amazon going as high as $800. Heck, even Amazon itself was selling at $742 last night. So yeah, where is this supposed “13900K” is more affordable???
I've been using a 5900X for a few years now and I'm very, very happy to finally move back to Intel.
Do you even stress out the cpu? I think 5900x is still good but intel 12th gen is fine
shit if you do go back i will gladly buy that 5900x off you bro lol
Why are you happy to move back to Intel? They have goofy P-cores and E-cores. With AMD, it's all performance cores, all day long.
Hey guys just wanna ask, msi just released a new laptop which is the ge67 raider that basically has the same specs as gt77. My question is, I'm basically looking for a review about that laptop (ge67) with 3080 ti and the i9 12900hx and i couldn't find any, so if i watch jarrod's review about the gt77, will it be basically the same as ge67? I'm a literal novice at laptops and such. Thanks in advance
cost per point does not take into account the larger power draw and thus higher electricity monthly bill for intel?
Would you say the same about 4080 and 7900 XTX? Lol
Both of these CPUs are impressive, particularly compared to my now lowly 1700. Intel gets the edge because of the integrated graphics, if you need that, like if you want to run something that can benefit from Quicksync. AMD gets the edge because you can drop the power 60% down to 65W but still get 80% of the multi-thread performance. So you could run it at 65W for most things and save some heat and money and when you need the heavy workloads just turn it up to 170W. That flexibility is nice.
So it basically comes down to power/price/future upgradeability, performance are almost equal.
Please do a comparison of 2022 RTX 3060 versions Asus TUF A15 vs Strix G15 vs Legion 5.
Please. Or at least the review of Strix G15 2022.
please make comparison between i9 13900ks and ryzen 9 7950x3d