BIG TIME THANK YOU to Onward and Upward's reply of 2 weeks ago. IT WORKS! 2 weeks ago Onward and Upward said he covered his fuel canister with a sock & that eliminated condensation from freezing on the outside of the fuel canister. IT WORKS. Details of my experiment - I have a Soto Windmaster stove. I put my MSR 4 oz fuel canister in the frig & knew the temperature of it & the gas was 38º. I'd cut a small hole in the toe of a sock & covered the canister from the top so that the sock completely covered the canister. There was no air space anywhere between the sock & canister which contained just 32 grams of fuel. A full canister contains 110 grams of fuel. I used my FireSteel to ignite my stove, the outside temperature was 28º when I began my experiment. The canister contained just 11gr of fuel after I'd completed my experiment, ie, it's almost empty. My stove caught the sparks from my FireSteel & the burner was that lovely blue flame, I adjusted the flame lower to what I wanted & put a 750 ml Titanium cup/cover on the stove filled with water & waited. Water boiled in a few minutes. During that time there was no change in the heat output of my stove that was noticeable to MEeee. After the water was a rolling boil, I removed the pot, turned off the stove, removed the sock & there was no sign of any moisture/condensation on the canister's exterior. Henceforth, my fuel canisters will be covered by that sock when I am putting things into my backpack. I now consider that sock just as important as the Stove, canister, & Firesteel. THIS SOCK technique is something every backpacker should know about if they carry & use a canister fuel type of stove. Eliminating the accumulation of moisture/condensation on the canister's exterior allows the stove/canister to continue to produce the SAME HEAT OUTPUT, from beginning to end. I hasten to add, my Soto Windmaster stove has a regulator on it that keeps gas pressure output the same whether the canister is full or nearly empty. If you're using a stove that doesn't have a regulator then you are handicapping yourself from the get-go & will most assuredly notice less heat output as the stove consumes more & more of the gas in the canister.
@@WildCampingWelshman I always read replies to videos that so often contain useful information. The sock eliminates the condensation on the canister's exterior which is what causes a decrease in the stove's heat output. Hopefully, you'll be able to see your way clear to add the sock method to this video. Seeing is believing. AZClaimjumper from Reno, Nevada U.S.A.
I’ve pinned the comment to the top of the feed so everyone will be able to see it mate. I can’t edit the film again because I don’t keep copies once they are published sorry 👍🏻
@@azclaimjumper So what you're saying is that the Soto Windmaster can be used in below-freezing temps just fine? That'd be awesome news! Cannot decide between the GSI Pinnacle 4 Season Stove and the Soto Windmaster for winter use. Would like to live the Windmaster, but not being a remote canister stove makes me cautious.
@@TheCarmacon Keep the fuel canister warm inside your sleeping bag at night on on your upper torso in the evening after hiking......keeping the canister inside a sock is easier than having bare metal next to you on your torso or inside your sleeping bag. I just bought a GWorks Fuel Transfer valve which I will use to FILL all 4oz canisters so they are FULL B4 starting on a camping trip. No need to ever start with a canister that is partially empty.
Like your videos. But i need to correct you on something. The liquid gas needs energy to evaporate. This energy comes from the air outside the gas container. Ice forming on the gas container releases heat. It does not cool down the gas. It is the otherway around. However, once the ice is formed it probably will decrease the heat transfer between the air and the gas canister. When the ice melts then it will cool down your gas even more. Putting the gas canister in water is a good trick, although it is cold. There is much more energy in water then in air with the same temperature. The energy transfer from water to the gas canister is also much higher then from air to the gas canister. Greetings from Sweden
Thanks. First of your videos I have seen and I have learnt something already. Wish I had seen it earlier this winter I might have saved myself some winter cooking hassles. Congrats Wales on 6N success... a hacked off Englishman.
yes i have just bought the one whats got a tube so the gas is away from the flame but what i usually do in cold weather is put 3 socks round the gas and that helps
I have this stove and I turn it back over after using it in liquid mode and run it for 10/15 seconds in gas mode, that clears the tube of any liquid gas. I also use a SOTO Stormbreaker which works with inverted gas (and white gas) and that’s what they recommended. As you say one of the advantages of inverted gas canisters is being able to use up the dregs in the canisters. I use them to boil water at home as there is always the anxiety of running out of gas when out and about with a partially used canister. Footnote, some remote stoves such as Trangia which have a preheat tube don’t work safely with inverted gas.
I’ve recently purchased the Stormbreaker too. It’s a great cooker with petrol, not tried has yet. Thank you for taking the time to comment. ATB Jiffy 👍🏻
Loved the full demo, especially the inverted canister. Found out the hard way on my last trip that pure butane was a bad system for the winter so now I’m in the market for a 4-season remote stove
Interesting video, Jiffy! Thank you for taking the effort to make it. Funnily enough, I bought an Optimus Vega a few months' ago, but haven't had an opportunity to properly use it on a cold wildcamp yet (bloody lockdown!).
Hi Jiffy! Thanks for the upload👍 here in deepest Dorset we are still waiting for our first dump of snow! Great info as always, I think you can actually get a canister cosy(?) but not sure if it fits the 100gm ones. My winter go-to gas stove is the Primus Spider express, another remote operated stove, my son who lives and works in Norway put me onto the advantages of this type of stove and as you say it saves the pennies too! Stay safe kind regards Clive
I can not what it is called but I remember long time ago seeing a thin copper strip with a magnet on the one end. So copper strip is held on the side on canister by a magnet and other end is just touching the flame. Thus keeping the canister from frosting up.
It works, BIG TIME. Putting a sock over the top of my canister. There was no discernible change in my Soto Windmaster stove's heat output & no condensation appeared on the outside of the canister after I'd boiled water & removed the sock for a look-see. Please look at my detailed comment which I've just added. YES, I specifically reference your name in my comment/reply.
I've got a neoprene sleeve that fits over the canister. As well as taking the usual precautions, never had an issue. Like the submersion tip, never thought of that one before. Cheers mate and all the best.
I wonder if the Optimus Vega got its name from the Swedish Vega expedition in 1878-1880. The Vega expedition was the first arctic expedition to successfully navigate throughout the northeast passage.
I use the Kovea Spider in the winter. But if you only have an upright canister stove, a windscreen that completely encompasses the stove and pot can keep the local environment warmer to keep the gas volatile. I've also seen a technique where you dig a snow pit. It must be deep enough so the entire stove and pot must be below the snow level. Again, the idea is to keep the canister warm by trapping the heat in the pit. Obviously, you need a little side tunnel to operate the stove without burning yourself.
Highly recommend the optimus vega, I used it many times to make coffee in the Alps in the winter. The green paint chipped off but the stove still works. The windscreen can be a bit finicky too
Got to love a bit of stove porn Jiffy. Something mesmerising about watching a gas cooker. Nice video. I learned a bit there. Every days a school day👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I knew about turning the canister upside down but not about needing the pre heat tube! I'm going to buy a Tigris stove and Trangia alcohol burner for back up, and also fuel tablets, which altogether gives you 4 ways of having fire if you include burning wood. I've seen a few camping videos where they couldn't eat or have a hot drink because the gas stove failed. Happened to Haze Outdoors in one of his videos. One lad brought the wrong gas canister too! The Americans say two is one and one is none.
A Trangia will work fine, I used to always bring one as a back up. You may need some sort of “wick” to light it. I usually grab a twig and dip it in the meths, light it and then hold it in the burner to light 👍🏻
In the 1970's I used to devour any new mountain climbing books that came out, courtesy of the local library. In one of them they had obviously been sponsored by a canister gas company to use their equipment however the only way they could get them to work a t high altitude and low temperature was to heat one gas stove with another underneath!!!!
hi, I had a student a few years back who tried to warm it up a butane canister with his hands - like you said his hand stuck to it, creating a burn in which ended in him having to have a skin graph on his palm of his hand. he wont do that again... good informative vid
@@WildCampingWelshman it took some time before to prize his hand of the canister, I left it to the hospital as it was like super glue!! What reg were you in?
Hi just watched your vid some great tips I'm looking to get a remote canister stove for winter wild camping my jetboil struggled a cpl times this winter mainly due to the amount of gas in the canister worked fine when full but struggled when below half full I'm torn between the Optimus vaga or the gsi pinnacle was wondering if a 650ml pot will fit on the Optimus
Great video. Very useful 👍 how do you find the go system gas? Does it perform the same as some of the more expensive brands such as those from MSR, Optimus etc?
Mountaineers as a standard practice would run copper wire across the burner and then wrap it around the canister, using a sort of cozy to keep it in place. I have never seen this practice in the age of RUclips, though.
@@WildCampingWelshman Makes me curious why any company would make a remote canister stove without a preheat tube. Cost, I guess. Love your trip videos, very inspiring.
Some remote stoves have a preheat tube but still don’t work well inverted, Trangia gas stove for example, I have always found it strange that the Trangia stove didn’t get an upgrade to allow this facility.
BIG TIME THANK YOU to Onward and Upward's reply of 2 weeks ago. IT WORKS!
2 weeks ago Onward and Upward said he covered his fuel canister with a sock & that eliminated condensation from freezing on the outside of the fuel canister. IT WORKS.
Details of my experiment - I have a Soto Windmaster stove. I put my MSR 4 oz fuel canister in the frig & knew the temperature of it & the gas was 38º. I'd cut a small hole in the toe of a sock & covered the canister from the top so that the sock completely covered the canister. There was no air space anywhere between the sock & canister which contained just 32 grams of fuel. A full canister contains 110 grams of fuel. I used my FireSteel to ignite my stove, the outside temperature was 28º when I began my experiment. The canister contained just 11gr of fuel after I'd completed my experiment, ie, it's almost empty.
My stove caught the sparks from my FireSteel & the burner was that lovely blue flame, I adjusted the flame lower to what I wanted & put a 750 ml Titanium cup/cover on the stove filled with water & waited. Water boiled in a few minutes. During that time there was no change in the heat output of my stove that was noticeable to MEeee. After the water was a rolling boil, I removed the pot, turned off the stove, removed the sock & there was no sign of any moisture/condensation on the canister's exterior.
Henceforth, my fuel canisters will be covered by that sock when I am putting things into my backpack. I now consider that sock just as important as the Stove, canister, & Firesteel.
THIS SOCK technique is something every backpacker should know about if they carry & use a canister fuel type of stove. Eliminating the accumulation of moisture/condensation on the canister's exterior allows the stove/canister to continue to produce the SAME HEAT OUTPUT, from beginning to end. I hasten to add, my Soto Windmaster stove has a regulator on it that keeps gas pressure output the same whether the canister is full or nearly empty. If you're using a stove that doesn't have a regulator then you are handicapping yourself from the get-go & will most assuredly notice less heat output as the stove consumes more & more of the gas in the canister.
Brilliant, thank you for the information 👍🏻
@@WildCampingWelshman I always read replies to videos that so often contain useful information. The sock eliminates the condensation on the canister's exterior which is what causes a decrease in the stove's heat output. Hopefully, you'll be able to see your way clear to add the sock method to this video. Seeing is believing.
AZClaimjumper from Reno, Nevada U.S.A.
I’ve pinned the comment to the top of the feed so everyone will be able to see it mate. I can’t edit the film again because I don’t keep copies once they are published sorry 👍🏻
@@azclaimjumper So what you're saying is that the Soto Windmaster can be used in below-freezing temps just fine? That'd be awesome news! Cannot decide between the GSI Pinnacle 4 Season Stove and the Soto Windmaster for winter use. Would like to live the Windmaster, but not being a remote canister stove makes me cautious.
@@TheCarmacon Keep the fuel canister warm inside your sleeping bag at night on on your upper torso in the evening after hiking......keeping the canister inside a sock is easier than having bare metal next to you on your torso or inside your sleeping bag.
I just bought a GWorks Fuel Transfer valve which I will use to FILL all 4oz canisters so they are FULL B4 starting on a camping trip. No need to ever start with a canister that is partially empty.
Like your videos. But i need to correct you on something.
The liquid gas needs energy to evaporate. This energy comes from the air outside the gas container. Ice forming on the gas container releases heat. It does not cool down the gas. It is the otherway around.
However, once the ice is formed it probably will decrease the heat transfer between the air and the gas canister. When the ice melts then it will cool down your gas even more.
Putting the gas canister in water is a good trick, although it is cold. There is much more energy in water then in air with the same temperature. The energy transfer from water to the gas canister is also much higher then from air to the gas canister.
Greetings from Sweden
Great information, thank you. I didn’t know why, I just knew it worked. Best wishes, Jiffy 👍🏻
Excellent video Jiffy and very informative too. Definitely learnt a few things here. Thanks for sharing. ATB Andy
Cheers Andy, I’m glad it helped 👍🏻
Just subscribed after watching the Hilleberg tent vid. Great points and tips .
nice & kind review ~ Thank you very much.
Thanks. First of your videos I have seen and I have learnt something already. Wish I had seen it earlier this winter I might have saved myself some winter cooking hassles. Congrats Wales on 6N success... a hacked off Englishman.
Thank you 👍🏻
I learned a lot from this video. Thanks for sharing.
Great tips my friend. Very useful information. Thank you for sharing. Big like.
Thank you 👍🏻
Love it. Great tips and good to know about stoves with and without pre-warmer tube. 👍🏻
Thank you 👍🏻
Thanks for the tips mate, I've got a load of those hand warmers , all the best 👍
Thanks Gaz, I hope it helps mate 👍🏻
yes i have just bought the one whats got a tube so the gas is away from the flame but what i usually do in cold weather is put 3 socks round the gas and that helps
Great tips there Jiffy, I don't use gas but at some point I will have to I guess so I will try to remember these tips 👍
Thank you Lee, I hope they help mate 👍🏻
I have this stove and I turn it back over after using it in liquid mode and run it for 10/15 seconds in gas mode, that clears the tube of any liquid gas.
I also use a SOTO Stormbreaker which works with inverted gas (and white gas) and that’s what they recommended. As you say one of the advantages of inverted gas canisters is being able to use up the dregs in the canisters. I use them to boil water at home as there is always the anxiety of running out of gas when out and about with a partially used canister.
Footnote, some remote stoves such as Trangia which have a preheat tube don’t work safely with inverted gas.
I’ve recently purchased the Stormbreaker too. It’s a great cooker with petrol, not tried has yet. Thank you for taking the time to comment. ATB Jiffy 👍🏻
Loved the full demo, especially the inverted canister. Found out the hard way on my last trip that pure butane was a bad system for the winter so now I’m in the market for a 4-season remote stove
Thank you, i hope it helped 👍🏻
Love the remote stove, a quality piece of kit ... a must for winter when using gas ..
Interesting video, Jiffy! Thank you for taking the effort to make it. Funnily enough, I bought an Optimus Vega a few months' ago, but haven't had an opportunity to properly use it on a cold wildcamp yet (bloody lockdown!).
Thank you Alistair. It's a fantastic stove, you won't be disappointed. ATB Jiffy 👍🏻
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Great video Jiffy loved the remote stove something to think about 💪💪👍🏴
Thank you 👍🏻
Hi Jiffy! Thanks for the upload👍 here in deepest Dorset we are still waiting for our first dump of snow! Great info as always, I think you can actually get a canister cosy(?) but not sure if it fits the 100gm ones. My winter go-to gas stove is the Primus Spider express, another remote operated stove, my son who lives and works in Norway put me onto the advantages of this type of stove and as you say it saves the pennies too! Stay safe kind regards Clive
Thank you Clive 👍🏻
yes thats what i said i put 3 socks around mine and that helps
Excellent review and learned a lot from you.. Thank you for posting..
Thank you Ed 👍🏻
Very informative. Great video mate. Thanks for sharing.
Cheers mate 👍🏻
Evening mate, very interesting. Thank you. 👍😁
Cheers Andy 👍🏻
Really useful tips, pot of water is a brilliant solution, thanks for your efforts
Cheers Craig 👍🏻
I can not what it is called but I remember long time ago seeing a thin copper strip with a magnet on the one end. So copper strip is held on the side on canister by a magnet and other end is just touching the flame. Thus keeping the canister from frosting up.
I keep a canister in my sleeping bag inside a cut down sock. The sock stops any condensation forming on the canister while it is cold.
Thanks for sharing; this is something I'm definitely going to do from now on.
It works, BIG TIME. Putting a sock over the top of my canister. There was no discernible change in my Soto Windmaster stove's heat output & no condensation appeared on the outside of the canister after I'd boiled water & removed the sock for a look-see. Please look at my detailed comment which I've just added. YES, I specifically reference your name in my comment/reply.
Excellent
Thank you 👍🏻
I've got a neoprene sleeve that fits over the canister. As well as taking the usual precautions, never had an issue. Like the submersion tip, never thought of that one before. Cheers mate and all the best.
Good idea mate, I’ve not seen one of them before. All the best Jiffy 👍🏻
@@WildCampingWelshman Something like this mate; www.tackleuk.co.uk/Shop/Gas-Cartridges/Fox-Camo-Neoprene-Gas-Cannister-Cover.htm
Great advice - can’t wait to get out now 👍👍
Thank you Ade 👍🏻
Very clear explanation. Thank you
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I wonder if the Optimus Vega got its name from the Swedish Vega expedition in 1878-1880. The Vega expedition was the first arctic expedition to successfully navigate throughout the northeast passage.
How about licking the canister? I'm kidding of course. Great tips.
I use the Kovea Spider in the winter. But if you only have an upright canister stove, a windscreen that completely encompasses the stove and pot can keep the local environment warmer to keep the gas volatile. I've also seen a technique where you dig a snow pit. It must be deep enough so the entire stove and pot must be below the snow level. Again, the idea is to keep the canister warm by trapping the heat in the pit. Obviously, you need a little side tunnel to operate the stove without burning yourself.
Great work -- thank you!
That was really good I learnt a few new bits as well there, wife asked why I’m watching a man boiling water haha, really good though thanks for that
That has made my night Martin! 😂😂😂😂
@@WildCampingWelshman hahha
Highly recommend the optimus vega, I used it many times to make coffee in the Alps in the winter. The green paint chipped off but the stove still works. The windscreen can be a bit finicky too
Great stove. I do agree with you about the windshield too 👍🏻
Great tips Jiffy 👍
Cheers Dan 👍🏻
Hi, thanks for the good tip! PT
I hope they help mate 👍🏻
Got to love a bit of stove porn Jiffy. Something mesmerising about watching a gas cooker. Nice video. I learned a bit there. Every days a school day👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I knew about turning the canister upside down but not about needing the pre heat tube!
I'm going to buy a Tigris stove and Trangia alcohol burner for back up, and also fuel tablets, which altogether gives you 4 ways of having fire if you include burning wood. I've seen a few camping videos where they couldn't eat or have a hot drink because the gas stove failed. Happened to Haze Outdoors in one of his videos. One lad brought the wrong gas canister too! The Americans say two is one and one is none.
A Trangia will work fine, I used to always bring one as a back up. You may need some sort of “wick” to light it. I usually grab a twig and dip it in the meths, light it and then hold it in the burner to light 👍🏻
Great stuff jiffy, very informative ✔️ more money needing to be spent now ☹️🤣
Ask Gordon for one of his affiliate links 😂😂😂
@@WildCampingWelshman 🤦♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@DaveOutdoors you know you want it.♥️♥️♥️♥️
Thank you for uploading😊
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@@WildCampingWelshman If you have free time could you please come to my channel, enjoy my sleepy cat and the music?
In the 1970's I used to devour any new mountain climbing books that came out, courtesy of the local library. In one of them they had obviously been sponsored by a canister gas company to use their equipment however the only way they could get them to work a t high altitude and low temperature was to heat one gas stove with another underneath!!!!
Yes, that would be true 😂👍🏻
Thank you. Great tips. ATB
Thank you Raymond 👍🏻
Nice video Jiffy. 👍
Cheers Steve 👍🏻
hi, I had a student a few years back who tried to warm it up a butane canister with his hands - like you said his hand stuck to it, creating a burn in which ended in him having to have a skin graph on his palm of his hand. he wont do that again... good informative vid
Thank you. I bet that burn was painful 😬. ATB Jiffy 👍🏻
@@WildCampingWelshman it took some time before to prize his hand of the canister, I left it to the hospital as it was like super glue!! What reg were you in?
@@ExpeditionHiker I don't blame you for leaving it to the professionals. Welsh Guards mate 👍🏻
@@WildCampingWelshman i started in the Coldstream's but transferred to 1RHA
@@ExpeditionHiker Small world mate.
Hi just watched your vid some great tips I'm looking to get a remote canister stove for winter wild camping my jetboil struggled a cpl times this winter mainly due to the amount of gas in the canister worked fine when full but struggled when below half full I'm torn between the Optimus vaga or the gsi pinnacle was wondering if a 650ml pot will fit on the Optimus
Yes it will mate 👍🏻
@@WildCampingWelshman cheers 👍
Nice one
Cheers mate👍🏻
Great video. Very useful 👍 how do you find the go system gas? Does it perform the same as some of the more expensive brands such as those from MSR, Optimus etc?
I’ve never had any problems with them and find they work just the same mate 👍🏻
Thanks for the reply 👍 good to know. They are cheaper than the other brands and available on Amazon too which is a result 👍
Mountaineers as a standard practice would run copper wire across the burner and then wrap it around the canister, using a sort of cozy to keep it in place. I have never seen this practice in the age of RUclips, though.
I think you would need quite a bit of copper but it would work in theory. Thank you 👍🏻
@@WildCampingWelshman I think Todd Bibler might have even had a tutorial back in the days of the Bibler hanging stove.
Thanks Jiffy, great advice. What was the name of your remote stove or can you recommend one?
It was an Optimus Vega mate 👍🏻
Optimus Vega, GSI 4 season, Primus Spider and Kovea Spider are all good options.
Think I'll stick with using Aspen fuel on my remote multi fuel stove.
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Not all remote canister stoves work with an inverted canister. If it doesn't have the preheat tube you will have a napalm bonfire in your tent
Correct Jason, that’s why I said that it must have a preheat tube to work or it will flare up 👍🏻
@@WildCampingWelshman Makes me curious why any company would make a remote canister stove without a preheat tube. Cost, I guess. Love your trip videos, very inspiring.
@@drytool probably a mixture of cost, weight and size mate. Thank you 👍🏻
Some remote stoves have a preheat tube but still don’t work well inverted, Trangia gas stove for example, I have always found it strange that the Trangia stove didn’t get an upgrade to allow this facility.
@@hypo345 My Firemaple Blade2 works well and is really light for a remote canister stove.