same.. we're all half exhausted working 30+ hours a week while going to college, debt. depression, professors who dont seem to try nor care for their students, some are homeless students, hunger, overpriced textbooks,
One thing that is lacking in this country is paid apprenticeships. In many European countries, students who do not want to study can learn a skill by getting an apprenticeship. In the US, students are pushed into college, many end up dropping out and owe thousands of dollars in student loan debt.
Honestly paid apprenticeships are on the decline in Europe. Most students rather enjoy cheap or even free education e.g. Germany to really dive into the subject of their interest. Even if they decide to later dropout they are usually not in debt and can quite easily pick up a job that only requires the Abitur. Companies that offer paid apprenticeships love to employ those college dropouts. BTW: In Germany the Abitur is of much higher value than the American highschool diploma.
You are so right. Apprenticeships are so important. There is a lot of mention of apprenticeships on this blog: noshakespeare.org/9-solid-alternatives-to-a-4-year-college/
You shouldn't go to college/university unless you want to get a "licensed" job, like psychiatrist, surgeon, pharmacist, lawyer etc. Besides these types of professions, college won't do you good. It's all about knowledge and skills, not formal education.
That depends. If you're doing engineering, then college/university might be worthwhile. You shouldn't really do anything that isn't a hard science, unless you want to become a lawyer or a clinical psychologist (probably a few other non-hard science licence jobs too).
agree with you on this.....the college education system needs to be overhauled....liberal arts degrees need to be phased out....only professions in which you need to have a license should be offered in college....many courses also need to be shortened....some of them also must be focused more on apprenticeship
I have a computer science degree and have been an IT professional for 15 years now. The degree was pointless, I learned everything I needed on the job.
@@6z0 you could honestly get into tech by connections and land 90k-160k jobs in Silicon Valley. Most people don’t even have a degree. For example my cousin landed a job simply by applying and taught on the job through a zoom meeting. It’s actually insane how many ways there is to make money in 2022
@@christophershanklin112 I’m 18 and I’m a self employed guy with some side hustles. But my cousin didn’t even go to actual college. He did online courses and google certificates and still got in. I’m not sure the way it works but if he can I feel like anyone can too.
I'm at that point where I can't handle anymore college and the stupid subjects teachers try to show as "important" . I'm literally learning nothing useful 🤯
For most people the current form of the college experience is damaging. Some topics are outdated by the time the degree is earned such as computer courses. Also student loans are the greatest scam in American History. The system is so broken.
Software Engineering courses do have a limited time of relevance, although you'd have to be pretty unlucky for it to be so severally outdated that it holds no appliance to the job market. Computer Science courses are practically timeless, you'd have to take 20 years to lose some relevance. Some colleges definitely mix the two topics though.
All that bank and loans mumbo jumbo will go away with crypto currency and computer science is a good route though good luck finding a uni that teaches it well.
1) option 1 Go to community college first save money, transfer to a state college and get a stem degree. 2) go to trade school. 3) start a business. It's not that hard don't go to a rich expensive school. Rember it's not what you know but who you know. So.mske connections in school don't just chill like you did in high school. And don't major in art
Agree, I went to CC for 4 year, each terms was $50 (bog/permit). E-book/rent book was about $1000.. Now, I transfers to Calstate and started using my grant money. I'm getting my Chemistry degree in one year, and practically cost me nothing compared to all the other who are "200k in debt".
Why can’t you just take a business course online and learn on RUclips videos for free then start your own business . Anyone can start a business . Look at these Asians with Chinese’s restraints and nail salons . You think they went to college ? Nope
He's right but who doesn't know that already? The problem is precisely that we don't have a choice. We have to go to college. There are no reputable vocational schools to go to or other mentorship programs in mainstream higher education. Once we drop out of college its almost game over unless we want to be an artist, celebrity, or designer. (which the success rate is grim) Or the few that become billionaires and millionaires from starting their own company in tech or other fields. And people love to blame millennials saying we whine too much and don't want to work hard. Thats actually not the case. Many people I know feel trapped in a cage because they want to be learning practical skills that are relevant in the real world but professors wants to go on and on about theories and bullshit that they accomplished 30 years ago. Funny thing is we go to class and waste our energy and time doing school work and in an amateur way study what we really want to know on our free time. I learn so much more reading a textbook at home then to go to class and listen to the professor all semester. How sad.
Blackjack, there are plenty of alternatives to a 4-year degree. You do have choices! I just read a great article about all the alternatives to a 4-year degree. Check it out here: noshakespeare.org/9-solid-alternatives-to-a-4-year-college/ You're right about people complaining about Millenials. It seems every generation that comes out of college is told they are lazy and don't want to work. I"m a Gen-X, and I was lazy and didn't want to work. Who wants to work?
Most college graduates like myself started entry level at 11_$12 an hour. That's just sad. Some managers and supervisor at Walmart start at $15. And here I am a college graduate barely making 11 as low paying bookkeeper 😓😓😓 stuck at my mama house
Alexis Brad what degree did u get , and did u apply a lot for the more salary based jobs, and is the city u live in very populated and competitive? Sorry for all the questions :)
That's good and dont let these idiots get you down. You should feel great about what you are doing, and soon you're going to feel accomplished and will reap the benefits of your hard work.
@@xxP1ST0LER0xx what about stem? Or finance? Investment bankers make well over 200k by 30, software engineers make over 200k by 30 (fortune 500 companies), pe vc makes well over 500k by 50-60, high level engineers such as mechatronics/aerospace/electrical etc make over 150-200k by 30
"Education, education, education..." is all I'm hearing, but I really got to ask why can't we just go and pay to take an exam for the theory on a specific subject whenever we want, and gain a "degree"/Certificate that way? Like, are we seriously gonna look the biggest problem in the face and ignore it for what it is? The time that goes into said "college education" and what we actually receive from it? Not to mention the style of it and to which people it gets marketed to. People fresh out of high school. If we take these brats, who literally know nothing about how the world well and truly works, and suddenly make them attend a 180 degree style of learning where they have to be super hard-working and basically not have a life outside of getting good grades, only listening to what's being said and making them piece together what's being said on their own accord along with social pressure to not ask questions in class in large groups, then I'd say this fails pretty hard, and isn't really education anymore. This year, I went to attend college due to various reasons, but I am also making it my last year. I wholly and fully tried, but the style of rapid paced classes with very little emphasis on making sure your students have each individually understood a subject and or form of question, is not something I condone. The only thing that does is induce extreme amounts of stress in students, not to mention ones that aren't even over 20.
I think what's sadder is the fact that I know some people who have good college degrees and are working dead end jobs. One girl has a Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering and was hired at a major company that manufactures HVAC equipment. She works as a cashier at a grocery store and says her degree was worthless anyway. Yeah. And somehow we're blamed for whining and not willing to work. Well, there's people with degrees whining about not getting a job. Follow your damn heart people. That's all I can say. I dropped out of college two years ago and I don't regret it.
I want to say that not all engineering degrees are created equal (coming from a guy that has a graduate degree in Computer Engineering) but how the heck did she go from HVAC manufacturing to working as a cashier? I agree with the follow your heart principle, but something doesn't add up with that story.
Absolutely, but educators need employment too. Lenders need another product to sell. Politicians need to get votes, a fantasy is easier to sell than the reality. Much of formal learning is a waste of time because it is not relevant to the marketplace. Knowing a little bit on this and that is interesting but not very useful in the real world.
Being a human is a waste of time. Don’t even know why or how I am still alive. I get a headache just from dealing with people especially when it come to controversial shit. 4 years to get a piece of paper knowing that you may not even get a job that goes with that paper you received. To also realize that you would owe a ton of money to government and school.
i just wanna sleep forever bro. i’m only 20 and i cant think and focus logically and my body feels like a 90 year old body. i look forward to dieing old
With a Masters in banking and finance... The very first day I walked into office and I was introduced to team I was going to work with.. I understood what a waste of years was my formal education was.. Man, I was working as an financial analyst and guy sitting next was a bachelor in technology (computer science engineer) with an executive MBA... We see many commerce and technology graduates working at call center's.. PS : if you are a student, pls focus on adding different skills to ur curriculum.. Don't waste time in ur college campus with buddies... Becoz in job market Skill and experience as the last say..
A trade is what you make of it. Learning on the job and improving is what you make of it. Serving customers is what you make of it. If the market doesn't care for your product or service it is just a hobby. What you love often doesn't pay the bills.
I personally think that people should learn from everything : from school/college, from other people, internet, from life itself, etc. College degree is only useful for first timers. Education is just one of many source of knowledge/information. It's not answer for everything. Then again, with barrage of information nowadays, one has to be able to filter them.
College is a extremely huge and risky investment and I think it's either the best or worse decision you will ever make if you know what your studying is your passion in life great but if your going to college to show off its it's a huge mistake
He is right. Germany and Switzerland basically help kids find out what they want to do and is good at it. They basically find their strength and weaknesses and then put them straight to special training, USA makes you take a bunch of classes not related to what you want to do. Also I don't like how the economy in the USA is now, you can only succeed in certain fields and then you show off saying you are studying in this field( Which is few fields). Hes right about showing off, its like one student says "Hey I got an A in the class!!" and it makes you look bad because you didn't get an A, but it wasn't a subject you were interested in. Its all about scoring high on SAT or getting 4.0 or having honors, but all that doesn't explain the IQ of a person. Look at Einstien, he was a failure, then all of a sudden he became smarter than someone who graduated from Harvard with honors. I am not saying school is completely bad but I look at all the smart people who never finished colloege or never went to college or even have a highschool diploma and end up more successful than someone who went through the honor roll in college.
I do agree with a lot of the points being made about college being somewhat useless unless you are going to become a doctor, engineer or something like that. But many companies require undergraduate degrees for entry level positions. My wife had to provide a copy of her degree to her employer. Her job has nothing to do with her degree
There s a bunch of people that hire based on experience only, a degree is not a necesity anymore, and it s sad for somebody that really went through college to have a colleague that has same job , same money without the actual years of work..but it s reality , internet changed everything you can learn more from internet than any schools combined
I am German and what this guy is saying is not true. The vocational training we offer starts when you are at the age of 16 and companies have problems to fill the vacancies due to the lack of interest of today’s youth in manual labor. The possibility of being replaced by a robot a couple of years down the road doesn’t add to the excitement to pursue a vocational training. 20% of the population are considered low class and if you did not complete school it is very difficult to find a job that pays the bills. Before the introduction of minimum wage and even now people are forced to work for a couple of Euros an hour and therefore have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet. This guy is not an expert and you should check the facts before publishing information like that!
But the problem in Switzerland is that the demand for many of those less skilled manual jobs is decreasing whilst demand for higher skilled jobs is increasing. The main reason for this is the automatisation of many jobs
That is the evolution of technology and industry. Let's watch how the world changed when the steam mashine was introduced. When electricity was introduced. Then when the car was invented. Then when the computer was invented. Then when software was invented for the computers. Some jobs aren't necessary anymore therefore jobs are created in another sector.
Gonna take your advice. I plan to be a doctor, skipping college because it's a waste of time. Will just set up my clinic after high school and start treating patients.
I remember when colleges for years advertised 100, 000 techs since 2008 not so much. College can be worthwhile depending on the region of the country, but the potential debt scares people. It scares me. Too many people in the workforce in a specific area drives down wages and companies also add insult to injury by requiring certification for jobs you have been doing for years. It in turns feeds the education system, slows your progress, and continues this viscous cycle.
Unless you're going into medicine, science, law, engineering. All degrees are useless, you can pick everything up through 1st hand experience. Alot of US college grads are idiots and they act snobby. Even though the US standard of education is so much lower when compared internationally.
I still think the root of our problem is public schooling where, like someone here mentioned, is designed to get you into college whether you qualify or not. I would say that all they prepare you for is to get you a one time grant at a small community college that will lead you to getting what they really want you to get, a loan at a better college you can transfer to. Money they will use to pay their staff better and build new buildings to make the school look nicer and nicer. And to make more money, they force you to buy overpriced books and increase the tuition needlessly. Then all that extra money goes to wallstreet to help multiply their assets tenfold. You weren't college material to begin with, but you were pushed to go by your HS counselor, and eventually helped finance the college's scam with loans you will have to pay back whether you land a good job or not. Why does it have to be this way? It's called letting the government get involved and destroying the free market all in the name of opportunity and equality for all. That's how they sucker people into voting for them and for things that will benefit only them at the end, not you. How you say? Well look at what has happened. How many desperate recent graduates exist that need jobs? The more needy graduates, the cheaper they will cost per hour. And if these companies need smart students that are really smart, not just flashing worthless college degrees, then they force the lawmakers that they have in their pockets to allow more foreigners from India and China to immigrate on H-1Bs to do the job better, cheaper and complain less. Keep voting for globalist policies and expect more of the same folks.
There definitely is a stigma around people not going to college. It's almost gotten to the point where you are looked down on for deciding not to go to college. There is an over demand for it and it's a big reason for why it's so expensive
Its too expensive no argument there, its wasnt always like this though... MAGA govt only exist though because ppl have suddenly avoided education all their lives in the name of organized religion and so called home schooling...
AA from a community college is all the education you need in life really.And I'd put my money in trade schools instead.The Germans had it right long ago.
College seems like one more societal pressure that everyone must meet to be something, at least in todays times. Is it worthwhile to spend 4-8 years in college then spend the rest of your life working to pay debt acquired during those years?
A college degree is a vouch. It is type of credential. It states that an accredited entity is vouching that you have been instructed in whatever discipline you are interested in pursuing. If you feel you don't need that vouch, great. If you feel you do need that vouch, great. The fact of the matter is there are many successful people without college degrees and there are many unsuccessful people college degrees. In this job market you definitely want the deck stacked in your favor as best you can and a college degree is a start.
college degree = "i can do whatever you want me to do for 4 years and i wont question it or ever complain, also im in debt and wont quit the job, even in shit working conditions"
@@kynchan3332 If those options work for you, awesome. A college degree is graded and weighted. It is a quantifiable and comparable assessment of knowledge obtained and hours worked, by an entity deemed as creditable. As I stated, in this job market, and to add in certain disciplines, it is good to have the deck stacked in your favor. To say that a college degree it is a waste of time and money, is ignoring a lot of facts and statistics that suggest otherwise.
@@delvesdg The market is the true master for most people since they can't all go into academia, government or have high insulated work (protected from the market). When I am right the market rewards me extremely well, usually fulfilling a shortage. When I am wrong I am fast to know in how it drains cashflow. To know if the degree is useful it must be tested against the economy, not insulated against it. The market will provide the grade, rewarding it or punishing it. If the credible institution is so great perhaps it should come up with all the tax money required to fund the country and provide all the jobs. The economy can take a rest until it is deemed useful again.
@@kynchan3332 I typed creditable not credible. In regards to the title of the video, and the contents within, data and statistics show , NO, college is not a waste of time or money. Two statistics I regard as the best answers to the query is; 1. Those with a college degree will earn more throughout their lifetime. 2. Those with a college degree are less likely to be at or below the poverty line. So, if you are looking to increase earnings or earning potential, a college degree is not a waste of time or money. You can research statistics and analysis the data on your own. Please post CREDIBLE information from CREDITABLE sources stating the contrary. You can also research the benefits of a college education for more information. Along with data and statistics, I have my personal experiences and perceptions. As they say, perception is reality. I have higher earnings and higher earning potential and a more secure quality of life with a college degree. Those I know with college degrees earn more and have a better quality of life, than those without college degrees. College is NOT a waste of time and money.
I will intentionally steer clear of anybody with a degree because there is always that awkward moment of silence that comes after they randomly brag that they have a degree... but when you ask them what they do for a living , their response is usually... " i'm unemployed and thousands of dollars in debt " or ... " I work a job that requires no degree " . oftentimes I never see them again after that.
Typically its mentioned by people with no real experience. Its all they have. A kind of voucher that shows they may have potential. I almost never mention my degree now since I have 9 years of experience in my field and international certifications that act as a far better gauge for competence. Even then, its never to brag, but to put employers minds at ease.
Honestly, in the two years I took back from college to work and save up, I learned exponentially more than I had the last couple years I've been slaving away through lectures and exams. Granted, I've learned some helpful things, but that's about thirty percent of everything else dumped on me. Once this semester is over, I'm going to reevaluate my life.
@@yoleeisbored Yes, it is cheap. It is an expanded apprenticeship program with theoretical education requirements tied in. In Germany, public tradeschools and apprenticeships are free. I am not sure on the number of women who attend, but I believe it is very high, as apprenticeship programs are a fantastic option if you are not on a University track throughout your schooling.
I feel like college is worth it if the majors your going for is good like lawyers, doctor, psychiatrist, and etc. for me I feel like I need a year break before I TRULY know what I want to do. Rn I’m having a hard time what really interested me. Sometime I would even asked myself, “What do I really like to do?” “What do I do that makes me happy?” “What’s my passion?” “College seems hard” “I feel like I’m going to dropout either way, is it worth it to even try?” “why would I try when I know I’m going to dropout”. “Never in my life have I reach a 3.0 gpa throughout my high school years, why should I go then?” “If I don’t go, friends, family, relatives are going to look down on me” “college is harder than high school” “I feel like I won’t even make it through my first year or even a month” “if I keep trying, doesn’t that basically means I wasted my time, because of not knowing what to do?” These are the question I be asking myself, I just don’t want any regret and want to make sure that I REALLY know what I’m getting myself into.
Now I feel glad that I didn't take a loan for classes with increased costs because of the out-of-state fees which literally doubles the cost of classes. I realized that whatI can learn can literally be self-taught of learned through apprenticeships, even small programs which I gotten certifications in can help me enlist for a job and get trained for it. This is something that should be heavily emphasized in highschool.
They criticize young people for being lazy after they wasted so much time and money getting suckered by the bogus system. It’s not really their fault. They were taken advantage of.
Trust me on this, "Don't try to dive in the illusion to work for other". I wanted to do CS degree but i dropped out coz i knew that the professor can't never do what i can imagine to do if i put in that time in programming my ideas.
Lawyers make nowhere near what people think. I know I am one. What we bill and what we make are two different things. Also understand that being a lawyer is a job where perfection is expected. The stress on you will be very high indeed. But if that is what you want go for it but have realistic expectations. Jobs are VERY hard to find.
In Russia we actually have the same skill-education they were talking about. And after one’s sophomore year of high school he or she is more than welcome to proceed his or her education in such way. However, the reason I am telling you this is that it is not as successful as in Germany or Switzerland. In Russia attending such institution would mean that you are... well, dumb. Many schools ask unsuccessful children to go to these skill-schools (because legally it is very hard to get expelled) therefore if you just do not see point in going off to college you are likely to be treated in the same way. Moreover, in Russia undergraduate degree is considered a must. Hence the labor market problem when we have economists and lawyers (from agricultural colleges, etc) and deficiency of blue-collar workers who are mainly educated in the schools we are discussing. So my point is, although it is a very promising concept which could also help with labor market problems, it is yet to work in Russia and may have the same or similar problems in the USA.
“Socializing with other people your age”... I’m a commuting junior in college living in my own 1 bedroom apartment and I haven’t been to a friend’s house in over a month.
The reason Germany might have a smaller underclass is not because of the vocational education by companies but rather because of the free education that the german government offers. In fact vocational education is on a steady decline in Germany because the mayority of people are interested in free! college education. If you don't have to pay back huge college loans the risk of getting into poverty for dropouts is way smaller. Also if you do study in a field where future jobs might be paied poorly you are not in debt for decades.
developandplay the other point that German colleges are successful is that they don't pay for all majors they purposefully incentives you to go to a degree that is in demand by paying for you to get the degree and not paying for people who get a degree that is not in demand
Louis Tracy No that's not the case. You can pick any major you want. There are no incentives for any major. It is only their common sense that leads German students to study a higher paying major. Unlike in the US college degrees are not a necessity to show your academic success. The Abitur (highschool diploma) has enough relevance that a lot of artists and creatives don't need a college degree as a backup. Therefore a lot of them decide to directly start working after receiving their Abitur.
He forgot to mention that Germany has free education in all levels. If you are planing to get a STEM job of course you need a degree. But anything other than science majors you can do it with an Associate degree or less.
I have a feeling someone had a bad time in college. It's not for everyone. We as a culture need to push the importance of trade schools as well as college. They are just as important--and needed. Listen to Mike Rowe talk about it, he is the spokesperson for the trades. And who says school is only about jobs? Why not take classes just because you're curious?
Over 90 percent of millionaires in America didn’t go to college and 20 million people living in poverty have college degrees. Just thought I should throw that out there haha
This is a midwit take, most of the millionaires already came from well-connected and well-endowed families. If you're the average, then you should still go to college.
He is absolutely right on this, because right now I am In student debt, my student loans are $26,126 and my major is social work. TBH I feel that college is just a waste of time. And I am a online student, can’t fail the class because if I do, I will have to pay 30,000 for that one class, I been very stress and overwhelmed at the sametime, my sis is very overwhelmed too, like it’s to much and why waste my time and money on nonsense. Just go into a free training class, including job crops, ICD disability training programs for people that has a disability, Strive free training, Access VR and so on. Please don’t waste time on foolishness. So y’all guys don’t wanna be end up like me. If I wanna really go to college it better be a psychiatrist, lawyer, medical doctor, anesthesiologists, school of medicine, pharmacist, Podiatrist, Dentist, radiologist, and so on. See that’s where the money 💰 is at right there. Some of these colleges wants to get you in the door so you can pay a lot of student loan debts I wouldn’t go to school for social work, education, BHS and so on, they pay very little and I am in school for social work like please don’t waste time, these universities are full of crap. It’s not about the degree it’s all about the experience like duh 🙄
yeah at least high school and earlier you learn human skills. instead of college there should be full training programs in every workplace. they existed around a decade ago then employers became to cheap and impatient to continue such programs
I'm German aswell and I'm happy to enjoy free education. I do see it as a positive thing that students at German colleges can try out college education. If they find that it's not for them they can dropout easily with almost no consequences. While I also don't think that overall intellegence increased in the same way that the number of college students did I don't see more college students as a bad development. Germany and the world need highly skilled employers that are able to specialize in a certain area. I'm not saying that apprentices are a relict of the past. In fact I do think that the "duales studium" which combines apprenticeship and college education is the next step in the evolution of the apprenticeship. A lot of German companies made the observation that students that would have been an apprentice in the past now apply for the "duales studium".
The more people there are in the job market with college degrees, the less valuable those degrees are worth as they are so plentiful as to be almost worthless. This is the reason the De Beers diamond company hoards diamonds, and creates artificial scarcity so that the diamonds don't lose their worth per karat or gram, as those diamonds are actually more common than the diamond mining companies would have you believe.
I did my degree and masters in civil engineering. I worked extremely hard at university. I was in the library 12 hours a day. I achieved my 2:1 grade and I thought I was going to be successful. What happened. I fell into an 8000 pound debt and the architects took all the credit for my work not to mention being mistreated by everybody. My parents tried to push me to become a civil engineer not realising that civil engineers are not respected in the UK even we make sure that no building collapses and British people are safe yet British people belittle me. I now suffer from trauma, have to extra therapy and I'm living in my father's house at age 36. I worked hard at university and this is what I get in return.
A nuke? Than you are quite the exception to the education question here if you survived nuke school. Considering the level of education and training you endured plus the military rep/clearance, gi bill, and experience...
Considering that it consumes time of your life that you”ll probably never get back, then hell yes, it’s a waste of time, and if it’s a waste of time then it could be a waste of money as well!
Yes. Duke University....ultimate expensive waste of time....have never even made per yr what it cost to go there! No I am tired and missed my life....now I am stupid...I should have smoked pot and dropped out of school at 16. Then, my current results in life woukd make sense. But going to a good school and never ever even being offered normal good work is humiliating.
LeeROBD yes, you still do algebra after you stop going to school. You just don’t think of it as algebra. You have $15 in your pocket, gas is $2.75 a gallon, how much gas can you buy? That’s algebra. If you can’t figure that out your life is going to be pretty hard. Math is the language of the world, you have to know more than just how to count.
Jorge Acosta 2.75 per gallon really cheap. It 3.69 over here. Anyways, basic math yes but nothing after middle school level math is needed. Also, Trigonometry. How about them Trigs? You dont need em. I hated Trig...
This model really only works if you're talking about business majors and maybe a few others. Honestly, what they learn isn't hard stuff, you could be taught most of it on the job. However, for STEM majors college is pretty necessary. Lab courses develop lab skill and make you competent in handling chemicals in a lab setting. Math and science courses teach you things you will actually use in your career one day. College is useful for people who pick useful degrees.
Yes, and as someone that currently pursuing an electrical engineering degree every employer I’ve talked to emphasized hands on experience and GPA. Gotta get the GPA part from college.
I don’t want to go to college, but what place is going to hire an 18 year old straight out of high school? Genuinely asking, I know this is an old video but I graduate in a few months and I don’t know how to get a job.
It's 2019 just do bluecollar computer job like everyone else, below are background of coworkers/buddies doing computer job that I've met over the years, if they can do it so can you! - my music major coworker doing computer fullstack - my history major buddy doing computer web stuff - 2 of my practicing lawyer buddies (corporate and immigration lawyers) doing computer database and web stuff - my chemistry buddy coworker doing computer for aerospace company (scarry huh) - my mechanical major coworker working at pandora doing computer - my unemployed 0.8 GPA college dropout buddy doing windows/linux admin certs and in computer making big $120k/year - my unemployed mcdonald coworker now doing computer - a stay at home mom that I know also in computer field now why spend all that money for school, just get computer job.
0.8 GPA and earning 120k per year, man I should really drop out of my Cs degree but I don't know where to get these certs, Cs is so boring with all theory, not what I expected at all but I am in 2nd year now so there's no turning back
The big lie is not that collage is good, it's that it's the end all be all. There is a stigma against doing "dirty" jobs and of course they think you must be stupid if you had to "conform" to that. Not entirely the case, there is a lot of knowledge to be absorbed in the internet, there is no excuse for being stupid today.
Get rid of the mentality of You get a college degree, you get a job. You get an advanced degree, you get a better job. This ideology is obsolete and not compatible with today’s society.
Employers don't actually care about your college education, they pretend to care. The reason they pretend to care is because the demand for college is so high because of loan guarantees employers think well if everyone is going to college i might as well make that a requirement for this job position. If the demand wasn't there, employers would not give a shit if you didn't have a college degree. They could easily train you on the job. Are there degrees that are useful? Yes. But not many of them. Not everyone wants to work in health care or be a lawyer.
I come out of college and no one uses Shakespeare or has asked me what the square root of -1 is? Number one thing that they’ve asked for is experience. Experience and who you know will trump a degree any day. Truth be told!
I hate college
Not logical
That be running to my mind to mane.
I liked arguing with half witted professors.
same.. we're all half exhausted working 30+ hours a week while going to college, debt. depression, professors who dont seem to try nor care for their students, some are homeless students, hunger, overpriced textbooks,
@@yoleeisbored 9 -12 hourd a week
One thing that is lacking in this country is paid apprenticeships. In many European countries, students who do not want to study can learn a skill by getting an apprenticeship. In the US, students are pushed into college, many end up dropping out and owe thousands of dollars in student loan debt.
Honestly paid apprenticeships are on the decline in Europe. Most students rather enjoy cheap or even free education e.g. Germany to really dive into the subject of their interest. Even if they decide to later dropout they are usually not in debt and can quite easily pick up a job that only requires the Abitur. Companies that offer paid apprenticeships love to employ those college dropouts.
BTW: In Germany the Abitur is of much higher value than the American highschool diploma.
I love that it really help me cause college is go expensive
You are so right. Apprenticeships are so important. There is a lot of mention of apprenticeships on this blog: noshakespeare.org/9-solid-alternatives-to-a-4-year-college/
And thats how they get ya
We’re just here because we hate college
@Nature soundscrapes It’s not a scam or waste.
@@lamaripiazza5226 continue your conversation, you say that but then dont leave any explanation
You shouldn't go to college/university unless you want to get a "licensed" job, like psychiatrist, surgeon, pharmacist, lawyer etc. Besides these types of professions, college won't do you good. It's all about knowledge and skills, not formal education.
knalle kalle what about technologie?
That depends. If you're doing engineering, then college/university might be worthwhile.
You shouldn't really do anything that isn't a hard science, unless you want to become a lawyer or a clinical psychologist (probably a few other non-hard science licence jobs too).
Employers hardly hire people with a degree now and the best you can hope for is working in fast food or retail without a college education
Anthony Marquez depends on the degree. A fast food experience won't land you as a doctor lol
agree with you on this.....the college education system needs to be overhauled....liberal arts degrees need to be phased out....only professions in which you need to have a license should be offered in college....many courses also need to be shortened....some of them also must be focused more on apprenticeship
Go to college if you want to work for the man. Start a business instead if you want to be the man.
Art Of Warring go to college and start a business simultaneously!
Majority of businesses don't succeed at a high level so if you have enough faith in your business then sure but it's still a massive gamble
Is the implication here that you needn't go to college (edit: to earn a formal BA degree) to start a business?
AALWAYS LUCKY exactly. Only people brainwashed by a 20th century way of life put up His argument
Facts
If you go to college and get some pointless nonemployable degree, yes.
I'm doing it for the prestige. I'm planning to be a homeless Traveller after that though 🤷🏽♂️
i actually do wondering what people aim when they apply for degree like Gender Studies
Cesar Gonzalez - my spirit animal right there !
Shofa Pranata I hate this meme! Most colleges don’t even have major like that
III7 you’d be surprised
I have a computer science degree and have been an IT professional for 15 years now. The degree was pointless, I learned everything I needed on the job.
Yeah but would you have gotten that job without the degree? Probably not
@@6z0 you could honestly get into tech by connections and land 90k-160k jobs in Silicon Valley. Most people don’t even have a degree. For example my cousin landed a job simply by applying and taught on the job through a zoom meeting. It’s actually insane how many ways there is to make money in 2022
@@saulgmez2839 🤣🤣🤣
@@saulgmez2839 trust me,companies won’t even look at you without a degree
@@christophershanklin112 I’m 18 and I’m a self employed guy with some side hustles. But my cousin didn’t even go to actual college. He did online courses and google certificates and still got in. I’m not sure the way it works but if he can I feel like anyone can too.
I'm at that point where I can't handle anymore college and the stupid subjects teachers try to show as "important" .
I'm literally learning nothing useful 🤯
just keep going man.. just pull through do your best
For most people the current form of the college experience is damaging. Some topics are outdated by the time the degree is earned such as computer courses.
Also student loans are the greatest scam in American History. The system is so broken.
Software Engineering courses do have a limited time of relevance, although you'd have to be pretty unlucky for it to be so severally outdated that it holds no appliance to the job market. Computer Science courses are practically timeless, you'd have to take 20 years to lose some relevance. Some colleges definitely mix the two topics though.
Rey Aparicio "damaging" is not the right word, you mean "not beneficial"
Actually I'd say that the credit system is the biggest scam in American history but student loans/debt is closely behind it.
All that bank and loans mumbo jumbo will go away with crypto currency and computer science is a good route though good luck finding a uni that teaches it well.
Say that to the freshgrad software engineers that makes 6 figures
I don't know and it's too late.
Same
It’s never “too” late to learn how to spell
Good catch ;)
Jan Jajalla It's never too late to put a period at the end of your sentence.
MY LIFE IS A MEME MY LIFE IS PATHETIC
It's never too late to remove contractions
The thing I hate most about college are the “Core” classes. Waste of my time. It’s only mandatory because profit. The higher education excuse is bull.
WTF R U talking about? How can anyone teach an advanced topic unless the student has already taken his/her core classes ?
I never went to college, I went to trade school. Pipe welding since. 6 figures easy. No debt, Just pure money!
What’s trade school?
1) option 1 Go to community college first save money, transfer to a state college and get a stem degree. 2) go to trade school. 3) start a business. It's not that hard don't go to a rich expensive school. Rember it's not what you know but who you know. So.mske connections in school don't just chill like you did in high school. And don't major in art
Agree, I went to CC for 4 year, each terms was $50 (bog/permit). E-book/rent book was about $1000.. Now, I transfers to Calstate and started using my grant money. I'm getting my Chemistry degree in one year, and practically cost me nothing compared to all the other who are "200k in debt".
Totally
J A this needs more likes. ☝️
Why can’t you just take a business course online and learn on RUclips videos for free then start your own business . Anyone can start a business . Look at these Asians with Chinese’s restraints and nail salons . You think they went to college ? Nope
The Rich Glitterati that’s a good point actually
He's right but who doesn't know that already? The problem is precisely that we don't have a choice. We have to go to college. There are no reputable vocational schools to go to or other mentorship programs in mainstream higher education. Once we drop out of college its almost game over unless we want to be an artist, celebrity, or designer. (which the success rate is grim) Or the few that become billionaires and millionaires from starting their own company in tech or other fields.
And people love to blame millennials saying we whine too much and don't want to work hard. Thats actually not the case. Many people I know feel trapped in a cage because they want to be learning practical skills that are relevant in the real world but professors wants to go on and on about theories and bullshit that they accomplished 30 years ago. Funny thing is we go to class and waste our energy and time doing school work and in an amateur way study what we really want to know on our free time. I learn so much more reading a textbook at home then to go to class and listen to the professor all semester. How sad.
Blackjack, there are plenty of alternatives to a 4-year degree. You do have choices! I just read a great article about all the alternatives to a 4-year degree. Check it out here: noshakespeare.org/9-solid-alternatives-to-a-4-year-college/
You're right about people complaining about Millenials. It seems every generation that comes out of college is told they are lazy and don't want to work. I"m a Gen-X, and I was lazy and didn't want to work. Who wants to work?
Its been 2 years, how is life going?
@@redburtley6021 I want to work if there are results. Working hard to get degrees that probably irrelevant in future? Not so much.
Definitely alternatives, look at Joshua Fluke he goes into the struggles of after college and jobs
I'm in college, can someone bail me out?
Most college graduates like myself started entry level at 11_$12 an hour. That's just sad. Some managers and supervisor at Walmart start at $15. And here I am a college graduate barely making 11 as low paying bookkeeper 😓😓😓 stuck at my mama house
Alexis Brad what degree did u get , and did u apply a lot for the more salary based jobs, and is the city u live in very populated and competitive? Sorry for all the questions :)
Damn,I make 15 an hour just loading trucks at UPS as an entry level job..
I’m 15 in 9th grade and I have to do a paper on somthing and this is the topic I chose lol
Man I'm 16 and I graduated from school
When you will in college, why college is waste of time and money you will understand
Kid
Don't go to college unless you're a book smart person who gets straight A's and got a highly specialized PhD. Otherwise you won't even use it.
@@applememesboom5057 But you name say it's opposite
Going to college is waisting 4 years of your life you are never getting back.
I'm starting med school to become a psychiatrist next year. Therefore, education is the best thing I can get to get my family out of poverty.
acar1994 prepare to have $100k+ in debt but you’ll be making enough to pay it off. If it’s not medical or law it’s a waste of time/money!
That's good and dont let these idiots get you down. You should feel great about what you are doing, and soon you're going to feel accomplished and will reap the benefits of your hard work.
Its been 2 years, how is medical school going?
@@itzelmontalvo6645 was about to ask the same lol
@@xxP1ST0LER0xx what about stem? Or finance? Investment bankers make well over 200k by 30, software engineers make over 200k by 30 (fortune 500 companies), pe vc makes well over 500k by 50-60, high level engineers such as mechatronics/aerospace/electrical etc make over 150-200k by 30
"Education, education, education..." is all I'm hearing, but I really got to ask why can't we just go and pay to take an exam for the theory on a specific subject whenever we want, and gain a "degree"/Certificate that way?
Like, are we seriously gonna look the biggest problem in the face and ignore it for what it is? The time that goes into said "college education" and what we actually receive from it? Not to mention the style of it and to which people it gets marketed to. People fresh out of high school.
If we take these brats, who literally know nothing about how the world well and truly works, and suddenly make them attend a 180 degree style of learning where they have to be super hard-working and basically not have a life outside of getting good grades, only listening to what's being said and making them piece together what's being said on their own accord along with social pressure to not ask questions in class in large groups, then I'd say this fails pretty hard, and isn't really education anymore.
This year, I went to attend college due to various reasons, but I am also making it my last year. I wholly and fully tried, but the style of rapid paced classes with very little emphasis on making sure your students have each individually understood a subject and or form of question, is not something I condone. The only thing that does is induce extreme amounts of stress in students, not to mention ones that aren't even over 20.
I think what's sadder is the fact that I know some people who have good college degrees and are working dead end jobs. One girl has a Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering and was hired at a major company that manufactures HVAC equipment. She works as a cashier at a grocery store and says her degree was worthless anyway.
Yeah. And somehow we're blamed for whining and not willing to work. Well, there's people with degrees whining about not getting a job.
Follow your damn heart people. That's all I can say. I dropped out of college two years ago and I don't regret it.
I want to say that not all engineering degrees are created equal (coming from a guy that has a graduate degree in Computer Engineering) but how the heck did she go from HVAC manufacturing to working as a cashier?
I agree with the follow your heart principle, but something doesn't add up with that story.
Vocational training is great, they teach the skills that you need to know to be prepared for the job market. No fluff based courses.
Absolutely, but educators need employment too. Lenders need another product to sell. Politicians need to get votes, a fantasy is easier to sell than the reality.
Much of formal learning is a waste of time because it is not relevant to the marketplace. Knowing a little bit on this and that is interesting but not very useful in the real world.
Being a human is a waste of time. Don’t even know why or how I am still alive. I get a headache just from dealing with people especially when it come to controversial shit. 4 years to get a piece of paper knowing that you may not even get a job that goes with that paper you received. To also realize that you would owe a ton of money to government and school.
i just wanna sleep forever bro. i’m only 20 and i cant think and focus logically and my body feels like a 90 year old body. i look forward to dieing old
With a Masters in banking and finance... The very first day I walked into office and I was introduced to team I was going to work with.. I understood what a waste of years was my formal education was.. Man, I was working as an financial analyst and guy sitting next was a bachelor in technology (computer science engineer) with an executive MBA...
We see many commerce and technology graduates working at call center's..
PS : if you are a student, pls focus on adding different skills to ur curriculum.. Don't waste time in ur college campus with buddies... Becoz in job market Skill and experience as the last say..
lohit raj by skills what do you mean
The two year degree should have been the default from the beginning.
College is what you make of it, then again it isn't necessary for all jobs (especially jobs that you actually love)
Not true. You can pursue a career and job you like without college.
Skeptic Autopsy :: That’s almost verbatim what he said 🤦♂️
A trade is what you make of it. Learning on the job and improving is what you make of it. Serving customers is what you make of it.
If the market doesn't care for your product or service it is just a hobby. What you love often doesn't pay the bills.
I wish I didn’t go! College was the biggest financial mistake I ever made!!!!
I personally think that people should learn from everything : from school/college, from other people, internet, from life itself, etc. College degree is only useful for first timers. Education is just one of many source of knowledge/information. It's not answer for everything. Then again, with barrage of information nowadays, one has to be able to filter them.
college is an indoctrination center for mainstream media lies
College is a extremely huge and risky investment and I think it's either the best or worse decision you will ever make if you know what your studying is your passion in life great but if your going to college to show off its it's a huge mistake
You have to go into it with a plan
He is right. Germany and Switzerland basically help kids find out what they want to do and is good at it. They basically find their strength and weaknesses and then put them straight to special training, USA makes you take a bunch of classes not related to what you want to do. Also I don't like how the economy in the USA is now, you can only succeed in certain fields and then you show off saying you are studying in this field( Which is few fields). Hes right about showing off, its like one student says "Hey I got an A in the class!!" and it makes you look bad because you didn't get an A, but it wasn't a subject you were interested in. Its all about scoring high on SAT or getting 4.0 or having honors, but all that doesn't explain the IQ of a person. Look at Einstien, he was a failure, then all of a sudden he became smarter than someone who graduated from Harvard with honors.
I am not saying school is completely bad but I look at all the smart people who never finished colloege or never went to college or even have a highschool diploma and end up more successful than someone who went through the honor roll in college.
I do agree with a lot of the points being made about college being somewhat useless unless you are going to become a doctor, engineer or something like that. But many companies require undergraduate degrees for entry level positions. My wife had to provide a copy of her degree to her employer. Her job has nothing to do with her degree
Them: College is a waste of time
Me: ok
Also them: *must hire a college graduate*
Probably might say with EXPERIENCE.
@@GO-cz7cl probably might
There s a bunch of people that hire based on experience only, a degree is not a necesity anymore, and it s sad for somebody that really went through college to have a colleague that has same job , same money without the actual years of work..but it s reality , internet changed everything you can learn more from internet than any schools combined
I am German and what this guy is saying is not true. The vocational training we offer starts when you are at the age of 16 and companies have problems to fill the vacancies due to the lack of interest of today’s youth in manual labor. The possibility of being replaced by a robot a couple of years down the road doesn’t add to the excitement to pursue a vocational training. 20% of the population are considered low class and if you did not complete school it is very difficult to find a job that pays the bills. Before the introduction of minimum wage and even now people are forced to work for a couple of Euros an hour and therefore have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet. This guy is not an expert and you should check the facts before publishing information like that!
This video really pushed my thinking. I might not have agreed with it all, but was definitely an interesting concept.
But the problem in Switzerland is that the demand for many of those less skilled manual jobs is decreasing whilst demand for higher skilled jobs is increasing. The main reason for this is the automatisation of many jobs
Diego Strassmann that’s what he was talking about - if you go to college and still can be replaced by robots, that’s a waste of time and money
hello world but if that were the case vocational training would be a waste of money and time as well, wouldn't it?
And when the robots are coming there will be no jobs, especially for the less skilled workers. :)
That is the evolution of technology and industry.
Let's watch how the world changed when the steam mashine was introduced. When electricity was introduced. Then when the car was invented. Then when the computer was invented. Then when software was invented for the computers. Some jobs aren't necessary anymore therefore jobs are created in another sector.
Gonna take your advice. I plan to be a doctor, skipping college because it's a waste of time. Will just set up my clinic after high school and start treating patients.
You will kill peoples health
I remember when colleges for years advertised 100, 000 techs since 2008 not so much. College can be worthwhile depending on the region of the country, but the potential debt scares people. It scares me. Too many people in the workforce in a specific area drives down wages and companies also add insult to injury by requiring certification for jobs you have been doing for years. It in turns feeds the education system, slows your progress, and continues this viscous cycle.
Unless you're going into medicine, science, law, engineering. All degrees are useless, you can pick everything up through 1st hand experience. Alot of US college grads are idiots and they act snobby. Even though the US standard of education is so much lower when compared internationally.
I just want to be trained in the job i want not to take random classes that i wont need.
I still think the root of our problem is public schooling where, like someone here mentioned, is designed to get you into college whether you qualify or not. I would say that all they prepare you for is to get you a one time grant at a small community college that will lead you to getting what they really want you to get, a loan at a better college you can transfer to. Money they will use to pay their staff better and build new buildings to make the school look nicer and nicer. And to make more money, they force you to buy overpriced books and increase the tuition needlessly. Then all that extra money goes to wallstreet to help multiply their assets tenfold. You weren't college material to begin with, but you were pushed to go by your HS counselor, and eventually helped finance the college's scam with loans you will have to pay back whether you land a good job or not. Why does it have to be this way? It's called letting the government get involved and destroying the free market all in the name of opportunity and equality for all. That's how they sucker people into voting for them and for things that will benefit only them at the end, not you. How you say? Well look at what has happened. How many desperate recent graduates exist that need jobs? The more needy graduates, the cheaper they will cost per hour. And if these companies need smart students that are really smart, not just flashing worthless college degrees, then they force the lawmakers that they have in their pockets to allow more foreigners from India and China to immigrate on H-1Bs to do the job better, cheaper and complain less. Keep voting for globalist policies and expect more of the same folks.
Even if you go to college there is no guarantee you'll get a job or if you do you'll be able to live off that money
But higher chance to get job, imagine want be doctor but don't even have degree of it
I have a STEM degree and only make $2 above minimum wage.
which stem? thats.. awful. im sorry to hear that
There definitely is a stigma around people not going to college. It's almost gotten to the point where you are looked down on for deciding not to go to college. There is an over demand for it and it's a big reason for why it's so expensive
Its too expensive no argument there, its wasnt always like this though... MAGA govt only exist though because ppl have suddenly avoided education all their lives in the name of organized religion and so called home schooling...
And that stigma is still heavy in the philippines. 😞
AA from a community college is all the education you need in life really.And I'd put my money in trade schools instead.The Germans had it right long ago.
What do u mean
@@armitylekhona585 he means Germany from like 1939-1947
@@nicolavincenzo7927 What did they do?
College seems like one more societal pressure that everyone must meet to be something, at least in todays times. Is it worthwhile to spend 4-8 years in college then spend the rest of your life working to pay debt acquired during those years?
Huge waste of money.
A college degree is a vouch. It is type of credential. It states that an accredited entity is vouching that you have been instructed in whatever discipline you are interested in pursuing. If you feel you don't need that vouch, great. If you feel you do need that vouch, great. The fact of the matter is there are many successful people without college degrees and there are many unsuccessful people college degrees. In this job market you definitely want the deck stacked in your favor as best you can and a college degree is a start.
college degree = "i can do whatever you want me to do for 4 years and i wont question it or ever complain, also im in debt and wont quit the job, even in shit working conditions"
A trade is a start. Volunteering is a start. Working is a start.
@@kynchan3332 If those options work for you, awesome. A college degree is graded and weighted. It is a quantifiable and comparable assessment of knowledge obtained and hours worked, by an entity deemed as creditable. As I stated, in this job market, and to add in certain disciplines, it is good to have the deck stacked in your favor. To say that a college degree it is a waste of time and money, is ignoring a lot of facts and statistics that suggest otherwise.
@@delvesdg The market is the true master for most people since they can't all go into academia, government or have high insulated work (protected from the market).
When I am right the market rewards me extremely well, usually fulfilling a shortage. When I am wrong I am fast to know in how it drains cashflow.
To know if the degree is useful it must be tested against the economy, not insulated against it. The market will provide the grade, rewarding it or punishing it.
If the credible institution is so great perhaps it should come up with all the tax money required to fund the country and provide all the jobs. The economy can take a rest until it is deemed useful again.
@@kynchan3332 I typed creditable not credible.
In regards to the title of the video, and the contents within, data and statistics show , NO, college is not a waste of time or money.
Two statistics I regard as the best answers to the query is;
1. Those with a college degree will earn more throughout their lifetime.
2. Those with a college degree are less likely to be at or below the poverty line.
So, if you are looking to increase earnings or earning potential, a college degree is not a waste of time or money.
You can research statistics and analysis the data on your own. Please post CREDIBLE information from CREDITABLE sources stating the contrary. You can also research the benefits of a college education for more information.
Along with data and statistics, I have my personal experiences and perceptions. As they say, perception is reality. I have higher earnings and higher earning potential and a more secure quality of life with a college degree. Those I know with college degrees earn more and have a better quality of life, than those without college degrees.
College is NOT a waste of time and money.
I will intentionally steer clear of anybody with a degree because there is always that awkward moment of silence that comes after they randomly brag that they have a degree... but when you ask them what they do for a living , their response is usually... " i'm unemployed and thousands of dollars in debt " or ... " I work a job that requires no degree " . oftentimes I never see them again after that.
Trigger Happy this is a good point. Then I take it you didn’t go? How are things working out?
Typically its mentioned by people with no real experience. Its all they have. A kind of voucher that shows they may have potential. I almost never mention my degree now since I have 9 years of experience in my field and international certifications that act as a far better gauge for competence. Even then, its never to brag, but to put employers minds at ease.
I don't have a degree. I think i do okay.
Honestly, in the two years I took back from college to work and save up, I learned exponentially more than I had the last couple years I've been slaving away through lectures and exams. Granted, I've learned some helpful things, but that's about thirty percent of everything else dumped on me.
Once this semester is over, I'm going to reevaluate my life.
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How are you doing now?
Thank you for mentioning Vocational education. Germany does so well with their apprenticeship programs. It'd be great to see that expanded in the US.
is vocational training cheap over there? do a lot of women choose some sort of vocational training?
@@yoleeisbored Yes, it is cheap. It is an expanded apprenticeship program with theoretical education requirements tied in. In Germany, public tradeschools and apprenticeships are free. I am not sure on the number of women who attend, but I believe it is very high, as apprenticeship programs are a fantastic option if you are not on a University track throughout your schooling.
I feel like college is worth it if the majors your going for is good like lawyers, doctor, psychiatrist, and etc. for me I feel like I need a year break before I TRULY know what I want to do. Rn I’m having a hard time what really interested me. Sometime I would even asked myself, “What do I really like to do?” “What do I do that makes me happy?” “What’s my passion?” “College seems hard” “I feel like I’m going to dropout either way, is it worth it to even try?” “why would I try when I know I’m going to dropout”. “Never in my life have I reach a 3.0 gpa throughout my high school years, why should I go then?” “If I don’t go, friends, family, relatives are going to look down on me” “college is harder than high school” “I feel like I won’t even make it through my first year or even a month” “if I keep trying, doesn’t that basically means I wasted my time, because of not knowing what to do?” These are the question I be asking myself, I just don’t want any regret and want to make sure that I REALLY know what I’m getting myself into.
Bro you just read my mind
Now I feel glad that I didn't take a loan for classes with increased costs because of the out-of-state fees which literally doubles the cost of classes. I realized that whatI can learn can literally be self-taught of learned through apprenticeships, even small programs which I gotten certifications in can help me enlist for a job and get trained for it. This is something that should be heavily emphasized in highschool.
They criticize young people for being lazy after they wasted so much time and money getting suckered by the bogus system. It’s not really their fault. They were taken advantage of.
Is life worth it?
Best rebuttal in the comment section.
These kids are told that they will make great money when they get out......a degree is JUST a piece of paper similar to toilet paper.
@Google Earth , that is a good way to put it...
This man is an angel he got the to the nerve of the problem
Trust me on this, "Don't try to dive in the illusion to work for other". I wanted to do CS degree but i dropped out coz i knew that the professor can't never do what i can imagine to do if i put in that time in programming my ideas.
Yes definitely yes..
And I have two useless degrees...
That's gotta hurt😡
Not if you want to get into law as a career I think. That's my goal in life.
Godspeed you in your career.
Go the military and be a lawyer. Trust me it's worth more.
I know some recent law grads... They work for legalzoom.com now because they couldn't find a job elsewhere. Medicine is in the same boat.
Lawyers make nowhere near what people think. I know I am one. What we bill and what we make are two different things. Also understand that being a lawyer is a job where perfection is expected. The stress on you will be very high indeed. But if that is what you want go for it but have realistic expectations. Jobs are VERY hard to find.
College is a big waste of time and money, that is why I am trying to be a full time RUclipsr and drop out of university.
In Russia we actually have the same skill-education they were talking about. And after one’s sophomore year of high school he or she is more than welcome to proceed his or her education in such way.
However, the reason I am telling you this is that it is not as successful as in Germany or Switzerland. In Russia attending such institution would mean that you are... well, dumb. Many schools ask unsuccessful children to go to these skill-schools (because legally it is very hard to get expelled) therefore if you just do not see point in going off to college you are likely to be treated in the same way.
Moreover, in Russia undergraduate degree is considered a must. Hence the labor market problem when we have economists and lawyers (from agricultural colleges, etc) and deficiency of blue-collar workers who are mainly educated in the schools we are discussing.
So my point is, although it is a very promising concept which could also help with labor market problems, it is yet to work in Russia and may have the same or similar problems in the USA.
Answer: yes.
Depends on the course you do and how much demand the job has
Skills pay the bills boyo no matter if your an employee or an entrepreneur
Tell that to Mark Zuckerberg.
“Socializing with other people your age”... I’m a commuting junior in college living in my own 1 bedroom apartment and I haven’t been to a friend’s house in over a month.
Relatable, it’s exaggerated.
On the campus
The reason Germany might have a smaller underclass is not because of the vocational education by companies but rather because of the free education that the german government offers. In fact vocational education is on a steady decline in Germany because the mayority of people are interested in free! college education. If you don't have to pay back huge college loans the risk of getting into poverty for dropouts is way smaller. Also if you do study in a field where future jobs might be paied poorly you are not in debt for decades.
developandplay the other point that German colleges are successful is that they don't pay for all majors they purposefully incentives you to go to a degree that is in demand by paying for you to get the degree and not paying for people who get a degree that is not in demand
Louis Tracy No that's not the case. You can pick any major you want. There are no incentives for any major. It is only their common sense that leads German students to study a higher paying major. Unlike in the US college degrees are not a necessity to show your academic success. The Abitur (highschool diploma) has enough relevance that a lot of artists and creatives don't need a college degree as a backup. Therefore a lot of them decide to directly start working after receiving their Abitur.
It’s not, I only got hired because I’m a college grad, most college degrees can get you an entry level office job, then you go from there.
How about we add meaning and value to degrees by making it more like a contract. How about a degree comes with a guaranteed salary?
He forgot to mention that Germany has free education in all levels. If you are planing to get a STEM job of course you need a degree. But anything other than science majors you can do it with an Associate degree or less.
During my time at university, there were too many NUMs. Not University Material. Do not fear an apprenticeship, earn while you learn.
I have a feeling someone had a bad time in college. It's not for everyone. We as a culture need to push the importance of trade schools as well as college. They are just as important--and needed. Listen to Mike Rowe talk about it, he is the spokesperson for the trades. And who says school is only about jobs? Why not take classes just because you're curious?
Over 90 percent of millionaires in America didn’t go to college and 20 million people living in poverty have college degrees. Just thought I should throw that out there haha
This is a midwit take, most of the millionaires already came from well-connected and well-endowed families. If you're the average, then you should still go to college.
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He is absolutely right on this, because right now I am In student debt, my student loans are $26,126 and my major is social work. TBH I feel that college is just a waste of time. And I am a online student, can’t fail the class because if I do, I will have to pay 30,000 for that one class, I been very stress and overwhelmed at the sametime, my sis is very overwhelmed too, like it’s to much and why waste my time and money on nonsense. Just go into a free training class, including job crops, ICD disability training programs for people that has a disability, Strive free training, Access VR and so on. Please don’t waste time on foolishness. So y’all guys don’t wanna be end up like me. If I wanna really go to college it better be a psychiatrist, lawyer, medical doctor, anesthesiologists, school of medicine, pharmacist,
Podiatrist, Dentist, radiologist, and so on. See that’s where the money 💰 is at right there. Some of these colleges wants to get you in the door so you can pay a lot of student loan debts I wouldn’t go to school for social work, education, BHS and so on, they pay very little and I am in school for social work like please don’t waste time, these universities are full of crap. It’s not about the degree it’s all about the experience like duh 🙄
Definitely! Well depending on your career path and profession. Would’ve been able to get the job I have now without a degree
Raul J. Gomez what job do u have now , and what was the degree
I didn't Get it
College sucks to me honestly, even worse than high school
yeah at least high school and earlier you learn human skills. instead of college there should be full training programs in every workplace. they existed around a decade ago then employers became to
cheap and impatient to continue such programs
@@khalidhassan9423 yeah ikr, i just started college a month ago and i already hated it, i hated high school but i still prefer it over college
@@walloptime6898 i’m only doing it so my parents don’t get mad lol
Germany and Switzerland... Im german my english is not perfect but we have problems finding young apprentices in all of These small companies
I'm German aswell and I'm happy to enjoy free education. I do see it as a positive thing that students at German colleges can try out college education. If they find that it's not for them they can dropout easily with almost no consequences. While I also don't think that overall intellegence increased in the same way that the number of college students did I don't see more college students as a bad development. Germany and the world need highly skilled employers that are able to specialize in a certain area.
I'm not saying that apprentices are a relict of the past. In fact I do think that the "duales studium" which combines apprenticeship and college education is the next step in the evolution of the apprenticeship. A lot of German companies made the observation that students that would have been an apprentice in the past now apply for the "duales studium".
Yeah please give me an overpriced piece of paper for $100K
Thanks
The more people there are in the job market with college degrees, the less valuable those degrees are worth as they are so plentiful as to be almost worthless.
This is the reason the De Beers diamond company hoards diamonds, and creates artificial scarcity so that the diamonds don't lose their worth per karat or gram, as those diamonds are actually more common than the diamond mining companies would have you believe.
Yep
Supply and demand
I did my degree and masters in civil engineering. I worked extremely hard at university. I was in the library 12 hours a day. I achieved my 2:1 grade and I thought I was going to be successful. What happened. I fell into an 8000 pound debt and the architects took all the credit for my work not to mention being mistreated by everybody. My parents tried to push me to become a civil engineer not realising that civil engineers are not respected in the UK even we make sure that no building collapses and British people are safe yet British people belittle me. I now suffer from trauma, have to extra therapy and I'm living in my father's house at age 36. I worked hard at university and this is what I get in return.
I wish my school had a system that could teach you job skills in middle school. I would be all over that.
My wife has 6 years of college plus she's working on her BSN and I will be making more than her this year with a 2 year degree
Anthony Krepps what kind of degree did you get?
Sergio Garcia an associated in general studies while I was in the military. I've started two BA programs and dropped out both times.
What do you work as?
A nuclear operator
A nuke? Than you are quite the exception to the education question here if you survived nuke school. Considering the level of education and training you endured plus the military rep/clearance, gi bill, and experience...
Considering that it consumes time of your life that you”ll probably never get back, then hell yes, it’s a waste of time, and if it’s a waste of time then it could be a waste of money as well!
Yes. Duke University....ultimate expensive waste of time....have never even made per yr what it cost to go there! No I am tired and missed my life....now I am stupid...I should have smoked pot and dropped out of school at 16. Then, my current results in life woukd make sense. But going to a good school and never ever even being offered normal good work is humiliating.
Not worth it. Just like algebra, do 99.999% of us adults use algebra after you stop going to school? No.
LeeROBD yes, you still do algebra after you stop going to school. You just don’t think of it as algebra. You have $15 in your pocket, gas is $2.75 a gallon, how much gas can you buy? That’s algebra. If you can’t figure that out your life is going to be pretty hard. Math is the language of the world, you have to know more than just how to count.
Jorge Acosta 2.75 per gallon really cheap. It 3.69 over here. Anyways, basic math yes but nothing after middle school level math is needed. Also, Trigonometry. How about them Trigs? You dont need em. I hated Trig...
Calculator.
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Jorge Acosta that’s not algebra, that’s basic math.
I have college for free but I’m failing everything and the semester is going to end in a month...
This model really only works if you're talking about business majors and maybe a few others. Honestly, what they learn isn't hard stuff, you could be taught most of it on the job. However, for STEM majors college is pretty necessary. Lab courses develop lab skill and make you competent in handling chemicals in a lab setting. Math and science courses teach you things you will actually use in your career one day. College is useful for people who pick useful degrees.
Yes, and as someone that currently pursuing an electrical engineering degree every employer I’ve talked to emphasized hands on experience and GPA. Gotta get the GPA part from college.
I don’t want to go to college, but what place is going to hire an 18 year old straight out of high school? Genuinely asking, I know this is an old video but I graduate in a few months and I don’t know how to get a job.
It's 2019 just do bluecollar computer job like everyone else, below are background of coworkers/buddies doing computer job that I've met over the years,
if they can do it so can you!
- my music major coworker doing computer fullstack
- my history major buddy doing computer web stuff
- 2 of my practicing lawyer buddies (corporate and immigration lawyers) doing computer database and web stuff
- my chemistry buddy coworker doing computer for aerospace company (scarry huh)
- my mechanical major coworker working at pandora doing computer
- my unemployed 0.8 GPA college dropout buddy doing windows/linux admin certs and in computer making big $120k/year
- my unemployed mcdonald coworker now doing computer
- a stay at home mom that I know also in computer field now
why spend all that money for school, just get computer job.
0.8 GPA and earning 120k per year, man I should really drop out of my Cs degree but I don't know where to get these certs, Cs is so boring with all theory, not what I expected at all but I am in 2nd year now so there's no turning back
Yes.
Just live in the woods.
Its not a waste of time but a waste of money
College seems like an investment of time, money, and effort. The money part is the hardest part.
An investment is for a greater return. Financially to get more capital than you expended. When that doesn't happen it is more a write off.
The big lie is not that collage is good, it's that it's the end all be all. There is a stigma against doing "dirty" jobs and of course they think you must be stupid if you had to "conform" to that. Not entirely the case, there is a lot of knowledge to be absorbed in the internet, there is no excuse for being stupid today.
It's not a waste of time if you're aiming for a degree and then get a job
Is college worth it?
Yes, if your programme is on demand.
No, if you don't even use it after your graduation.
Yes
Get rid of the mentality of You get a college degree, you get a job. You get an advanced degree, you get a better job. This ideology is obsolete and not compatible with today’s society.
Employers don't actually care about your college education, they pretend to care. The reason they pretend to care is because the demand for college is so high because of loan guarantees employers think well if everyone is going to college i might as well make that a requirement for this job position. If the demand wasn't there, employers would not give a shit if you didn't have a college degree. They could easily train you on the job. Are there degrees that are useful? Yes. But not many of them. Not everyone wants to work in health care or be a lawyer.
I wish I can go back in time and do my degree in computer science not engineering. I don’t like my engineering job at all.
damn... how many hours did you study throughout your engineering program?
III7 do you think you could get a job in CS without a education?
I come out of college and no one uses Shakespeare or has asked me what the square root of -1 is? Number one thing that they’ve asked for is experience. Experience and who you know will trump a degree any day. Truth be told!