Dropouts And Graduates: Is College Worth It? | Middle Ground
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College dropouts and graduates came together to ultimately discuss, is college worth it? Together, they talk through their thoughts on education, pursuing your dreams, and the downside of going to college. SUBSCRIBE for more! 👉bit.ly/SUBSCRIBEjubilee 👈
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They aren't graduates or dropouts. They are people chasing their dreams.
RonuPlays wow sooooo deeeeeeeeep
im 14 and that was deep
Love this!!!
Damn you gave me goosebumps! 👍
aww i love your quote
I loved the last statement "seems like we are all on the same page, just different parts of the page"
It's the poetic version of same but different. Which is ironically how different words can mean the same things.
Ten Yuu Kusuhara i read this right as he said it in the video woah
Andrea Schuhmeier same
Wisdom was applied beautifully in the segment *
Peter sudarso
Imagine being a drop-out then becoming a power ranger a year later.
Bro this comment is so underrated. I thought I was the only one who knew he was the blue ranger ha ha
Which one is it?
@@ethanmccue4468 He's the one w the white hat. I've known him for couple of roles, but yes he's a blue ranger from series ninja steel
this comment is underrated
Lmao
I was doing fine in college as an English major until I accidentally asked myself the question, "What am I doing here?" Everything fell apart from there.
English major here. :)
@@user-ol5bj4dm2v i really needed that. thank you
English major here, I want to be a teacher!
same, not an english major, but same
Uhh what did you think you were doing?
dropouts look like they actually enjoy living
Exactly
Damn straight
Exept they do.
DAMN STRAIGHT
Got that feeling too. Easy going guys
Is it just me or do they all seem like really decent human beings
john Smith the creators of the show never fail to get genuine people to discuss these topics
... millennials
They sure are, but also just :) This is what good editing looks like. They caught the best and truest moments, didn't they?
I think it was a matter of good selection of people lol
It really is cool to see millenials talk it out since they have their own opinions but they try to understand others standpoint. The other middle ground episodes that involved some older folk..they were just set on their way that they just shit on other people's look on life. Of course not every millenial or oldie is like the people in these videos but I feel like majority are.
I once heard “don’t confuse schooling with education”
Really stuck with me
@@Gemisnotmyname Everyone who isn't half dead(over 40 years old) can relate to this
college gives me education, that my high school fail to provide
wow...i'm glad i came across this comment...
@@Gemisnotmyname work on your spelling first before talking about ideas above your station
15+ years ago, college used to be great. It taught people how to think independently. It taught critical facts in math, science, language, computers, and it also taught your specific STEM skill.
I would say most of kids go to college because their parents. So parents could brag to their besties.
I'm actually forced to go to college
i dont wanna go to college but i don’t wanna be a failure to my parents so that’s why i’m going in the future
My parents are ok with whatever I choose but I wanna go into finance and eventually travel for companies and nobody does that without college
Fuck college
@@alexiswalker4519 No you're not. You're an adult. Stand up for yourself. Unless they're paying for your college, they can't force you to do anything. But if you want your parents telling you what to do even when you're an adult, go for it.
the first group to ever actually find 'middle ground'
FG I was thinking the same thing lol,they seem like they could even be friends
This and the "Bloods vs. Crips"
It wasnt a controversial subject - most people understand what college can offer but know it isn't the be-all end-all to success
The vibes in this video was wholesome asf. Maybe because it was a bunch of educated people in a room and not uneducated vs educated....
What does "middle ground" mean?
dude i HATE school. but if i had already put in four years and only had THREE MORE CLASSES i wouldve finished anyway just to have my degree incase
exactly
His passion was just a little stronger
kelsy mann It’s his choice.
TheYoungOne passion for what though? He never said what he does/if he does anything.
That's what I did, but they always find a way to move the goalpost further ahead so you spend more money
Moral of the story: everyone is different. College is NOT for everyone. People suffer from mental illness and family issues. You never know what someone has to go home to. Never judge someone based off of their education.
Edit: I’m glad people understand me and liked my comment, I suffer from depression and doing anything is exhausting, especially school. I want people to know you don’t need college or extra education to represent yourself in your own beautiful way, no matter what anyone says, you do you, your life is your life.
💯
But how do you then live or survive? You can’t afford any stuff except you maybe become creative and create your own ideas... Or be an entrepreneur. I hate school too and I’ve suffered from depression for a while now... But giving up isn’t an option because how do I sustain myself yk?
@@han0279 Who says you can’t live or survive without school lol? There are plenty of careers and choices you can make in life that doesn’t limit you to a school system. To each their own, but there are plenty of paths to take with or without school
Thanks for that 🥺 sometimes college can be stressful and tiring when people expect too much from you 😔
@@kateyash8779 exactly!
I like the idea of attending college more than college itself. College is not a walk in the park. So many sleepless nights, emotional breakdowns, morning coffee runs, and more crying. It feels like a never ending rollercoaster ride.
Did you go?
Whoever the dude is that had 3 classes left. If you don't go back and finish that. Not for the degree, but finish the race you start if you are that close bro.
@AlanXD go back dude finish what you started
Like why run the whole marathon but give up in the last half mile
@@SinVex-wi1eo Not really useless.
@@SinVex-wi1eo I respect the analogy that you tried to do, but countering that, you know after a few bites if you like that flavor or not. Don't wait until you start licking the spoon to say you don't like it.
@@SinVex-wi1eo So you let a Doctor do surgery on you without a degree?
Is it me or do they seem like they are all actually friends
Mylesthe Goat it's because they're all attractive and look cool.
@@peterwonaprize this is the stupidest thing someone could say
@cum cakes i love how if you say something with enough authority online, enough people can agree and every like makes it more of a fact in people's minds
@@elijah__ ik, i hate it so much.
you must have some odd friends if you all hang out staring at the floor making no eye contact
Before I dropped out, My father gave me two choices.
1. Drop out - get a job - grow up fast (I was 16)
2. Stay in school - go to a catch up school even though you're smarter then that
I chose option 1 and for the longest time, I was looked down on by friends, teachers, and even my own family. I had words thrown to me by my little and older sister for not finishing school, my Father always bagged on me to get a job and my mother didn't say she was proud of me anymore. I was hounded harshly by many people, and I remember one of my teachers saying "You will regret this" That went on for a year and it was constant.
I'm successful, I live alone in my own apartment in a fancy place with a very nice job. And I have to say, the education system can teach you all about math, science, LA, and history. In the end, it never taught me how to do taxes, that was my father. It never taught me how to be a kind soul and get up to get to work on time, that was my mother and father. It never taught me how brutal the real world was, that was my little and older sister and ex friends. It never taught me skills that prove that I'm smart, that was my 13 years of IT Experience with my father.
Education is important to prove worth, but it will never teach you to survive. And surviving is a very lucky affair only some people have made it through. The education system adds stress, depression, anxiety, etc. Those years of our lives that we're pressured to do these things we'll never get back.
Good
You dropped out of high school
James kimberling toy still shouldn’t promote to people not to finish school especially not high school I would have look at you different based on the fact that you couldn’t graduate high school it’s not that hard
@@jamalhartley4413 High school isn't too difficult (it is a challenge though and isn't easy, but much easier than college, especially without putting a whole lot of effort), though the one thing high school got wrong was how 'college ready' high school gets you, especially once the classes you knew you were going to struggle a bit with come along and that drop button becomes so catchy (I'm though done dropping classes since that's taking me places that I will never end up passing, and unfortunately I could finally figure out how to speak Calculus enough to not fail at least, but haven't figured out why I can't write if my life depended on it.
@@jamalhartley4413 high school is different for certain people lmao? some people just don’t understand and have other struggles.
Some of the most intelligent and wise people I met in my life were drop-outs. They usually have deep life experiences and have an extremely hard work ethic. But I also agree if you have a chance to go college, you should go and do it. Basically some people believe college is something absolutely necessary and if you don't it, you're failure, these people are not wise and narrow minded, life is too varied and complicated to set every decision in black and white, there's a lot of unpredictable gray area.
Well said
Very well said
If you wanna be a doctor, lawyer, engineer or phycology, yes ,you need it, but for other jobs like designer, programmer, or accountant, you don't need it at all.
Many of the majors don't even train you for any specific job ... Especially the humanities. I know people who go into majors like history and philosophy and end up in banking, or working at a car dealership.
@@tohruadachi7509 My uncle went into mechanical engineering without ever completing his degree (he was 2 years through). He still managed to get a job in the field through mentorship and self education. Also there are states where you can go through a law apprenticeship rather than going through pre law and law school.
I think that's the friendliest middle ground yet.
it's not a topic that births as much heated discussion as the others
True, I enjoyed it
U should see the hijab discussion it's like a wholesome reunion
“I know what I want to do with my life.”
*starts walking*
*stops and turns around midway there*
Mood.
Yeah like... wait.....Do I?
yes but actually no
Mary Slattery woww
*relatable*
relatable
I quit college the 2nd day. I feared being habitual. I looked around the room and everyone looked lifeless. I roamed the hallways and found myself straying from the crowds. I went home and cried and screamed. I told myself that I wouldn't become successful by learning in a classroom setting. I am now traveling and writing stories while experiencing the entire world which is definitely not a classroom. Now at the age of 22, I have a new perspective of Robert Frost's poem ' The Road Less Traveled'.
For some reason that last sentence really hit me and gave me a perspective that I think I was trying to subconsciously suppress. I loved college my first year but then Covid hit and we went online and I had such a hard time going back in person this year especially since my college is a distance from home. Currently thinking about finishing my degree online but one of the things that keeps me from going full force into that decision is what others will think of me if I do that. I think your post gave me some comfort in knowing that things will workout
@@taylorwatanabe1505 I made that comment 2 years ago! Let me tell you that everything worked out for the best! A lot of people try so hard to fit inside society's little bubble they never realize that it was meant to be popped. The greatest thing my mom said to me once was, "You become who you convince yourself." Meaning you can be anything you want to be! Just tell yourself who you are and don't let the world tell you! I have been doing great following in the footsteps I created for myself and not everyone else's! I'm way happier! I wish you all the best!!!
@@aimmarie4235 its really affirming to hear you didnt regret your decision. can i ask what you did to get a job traveling and writing stories? that sounds like my dream
@@sdnshr9877 It's hard work! I waitress, I'm a dog sitter, child sitter, and I can barista. I pick up the slack wherever I can! Because for me being free is the most important thing in my life.. I practice minimalism. Get a cheap travel trailer. Get a cheap truck. Start small. Go to the places by you. Enjoy your life and let no one take it! Don't work the rest of your life for a big house and fancy cars in the end you'll wanna see things before you die. So live now!
@@aimmarie4235 This helped so much to hear. I was in tears worrying about my future earlier but whenever I see someone doing similar things to what i want I think "maybe I can do that too"
By writing this comment you eased my anxiety. Thanks.
I’m currently here because I hate college, and I feel like dropping out because it’s causing me so much stress and anxiety but I know I can’t so I’m just suffering eternally
On the same page as you man :( Pain
me too
Same
Trust me, don’t give up yet, you can do it.
@@emperorsponge9208 yeah but is it worth your mental health ?
I like how this group was entirely calm and relaxed, they weren't aggressive with one another. It was really refreshing to hear a serious, investing conversation where they seemed to actually enjoy it.
this is how normal people interact. this is what life looks like without a comment section to hide behind.
Golden Girl what was to get mad about though?
I think it's because the topic is easier to handle, "Oh you went to college?Okay, Oh you didn't go to college? Okay". Not many people got out there showing off their degrees either.
I somewhat agree, but it wasn't a highly debatable or sensitive topic imo
You should see another Middle ground episode with sensitive topics. Try watching the Israeli-Palestinian episode or the Trump Supporter-Immigrant. Situation was heated and tense.
As a society, we need to get rid of the stigma that surrounds manual labor jobs. People tell you throughout life that if you don't go to college you are going to end up as a construction worker, plumber, or electrician. They say it like it is a bad thing. These jobs are critical to the upkeep of civilization, and you can make a lot of money in these jobs! College just isn't for everyone, and it should not be treated as a necessary step to having a good life.
I agree 100%.
@@aravindsureshthakidayil lol Audio Engineer is a awesome job, but youre talking about a boring officw job. Thats sad man
Say it louder for the people in the back
Bruh my dads an electrician, and as a kid I didn’t know that people hire people to install Fans, and outlets, I just thought that was something everyone knew just as everyone knew like changing lightbulb
Kitty Mittens A lot of the time the people that hire electricians to do those things do so because of the opportunity costs. They would lose more money doing it themselves, being away from work, than hiring someone to do it.
"i feared i would be judged if i didn't go to college".
The irony that only the Asian dude walked up 💀
Asian are very strict to education, they quite sure education is the key of success and people who didn't finish college is considered as someone uneducated.
what?
@@tamere520 wym bro
@@milkjugjugglermate7994 i dont understand the comment
@@tamere520 oh aight. Stereotypically, Asians are known to be very smart, aiming to be very successful in their careers, and staying in school cuz if not people would think of that as "wasted potential". So, for the Asian guy to walk up first (and being a dropout), it was pretty ironic due to the stereotype.
Watching this again now I’ve dropped out of university. I feel like such a weight has been lifted off my chest it’s unreal. I can finally focus on trying to better my crap mental health, and finally start living my life after 19 years
I felt this
This is literally me, i dropped out today and wow, i wanna start working on me and my mental health, learn even more languages (i’m a native spanish speaker and i also studied french) and get a certification to teach english around the world, aaaaa.
@@yoongiaf1618 similar boat.
I want to live in a boat for cheap and study languages in different countries. Finishing up my two year while working a job. Stress and weight gain from the massive hours destroying me. Not sure what I’m doing. I don’t even want to be an accountant….
@@yoongiaf1618 I feel the same way 😭I just started my second week of college and I already want to drop out because it's made me really depressed, the only reason I'm going is because my Mexican parents want me to go but I dont, child anyways idk if I should just continue or drop out :( btw I like ur Yoongi profile pic!
@@LilisLittleWorld Same here. I am only 1 week in and I already hate it. I suffer from panic disorder and in high school I coped with it but now I can't. I don't know anyone plus all my class is just girls except me. I just wanna drop out but I also don't want to disappoint my family.
I think college should be free: dude in the back** “I’m broke” felt that
Lead Lax “I’m broke so I’m gonna get hardworking middle-class taxpayers to cover it for me!”
Zachary Davies yea the reality of free college wouldn’t actually be very ideal but I see why they would think that
@@lemarjames9546 only in the US do you see that mentality and what did it lead to? thr pices you guys pay for college are out of this world. The% increase middle class pays in taxes in other countries doesnt come close to a 100.000$ degree. Besides thsoe taxes are already taken into acocunt with the employer when hes deciding wages so in the end things even out
João Delgado I don’t disagree with you but at the same time free college would significantly decrease the quality of education and would probably make a college degree worth less than it already is depending on what u do
@@lemarjames9546 we dont have free college but we have it extremely cheap. we just dont see the value of a degree on its price. A degree at harvard isn't valuable because you pay boatload so fmoney for it, its valuable because of the faculty and stantards of the college. At the same time i dont think the pricse you pay for college correlate with its quality. Theres plenty of very quality education in the rest of the world that isnt made less valuable because of its price. I didnt agree with in the video and dont agree with it now, if everyone went to college college wouldnt be useless. I jsut dont think college should be seen as a "prestige stamp" to put on your resumée. Besides, the different colelges owuld always be differently ranked and you would sitll get that prestige stamp. College is best seen as a tool to help you achieve what you want, if more people saw it like that instead of "i need that degree to achieve x" i think they would have a much better attitude in regards to their education (not that i know how people view college in the US, but i dont think making it cheaper would decrease its value whatsoever)
You had 3 classes left ????? Patna you might as well finish that and get that paper you paid for
Lillian Crossley lol I know right but he can go back anytime
@@whoistlovesburbrryshouldst186 But why just not finish it. He did 4 years, might just do the last 3 classes.... was he trying to make a statement or what?
theheroinfather he has his OWN reasons. Maybe its 3 classes that he had already failed and can’t just get past.
@@whoistlovesburbrryshouldst186 There's no such thing as a class you can't get past if you put in enough work...
I knew someone who only had one class. I don't get it...
I don't know if anyone will see this, but-
The one thing I hate, currently, about college is that they have to give you core classes just to milk you for more money....
Yeah thet do tha
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Facts dude, many of my friends have to take classes like “social justice studies” or “liberal studies” as their “required gen ed courses”
I don't know if your high school provided AP classes, but by taking them and passing, you're not required to take those classes later on. I regretted not taking them, but not anymore, because I've had amazing professors who I had a great time with.
So true..
My parents told me to just get a degree as a backup and then you can do whatever you want with your life after that. That’s exactly what I did.
Not everyone has that luxury
@@anthonysheredy8434 forreal. And even some of those that do have it taken away by poor life decisions
According to science your not going to reach your dream never ever in life have a back up!!!
@@thebestcentaur poor life decisions sound personal.
@@thjdfjjg5495 science?
The irony right now is that i’m actually procrastinating my homework just to watch this 🙃
Elle W lmao same
I should be doing my English final time to become a college dropout this video didnt make it seem so bad
i have a stats quiz tomorrow and this is my 15th jubilee video. im overdosing on quality content 🤭
Patuutie Snufflegus right? lmao like it truly made me rethink my whole future
fr e sh avoca do Omg i feel ya! they’re truly so addicting
I'd love to see a repeat of this with older people (40-50?) that did go to college and those that did not. I'd happily participate!
db w What’s your story...
db w That wouldn't proof shit because the economy and way of life are different.
kathurtado13
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT
Yeah @Jubilee, please do some vids like this for us Gen-Xers :)
I'm 50. If you're a doctor, lawyer, nurse, physical therapist, college was money well spent. Otherwise, no. In today's economy that is.
Moral of the story: A college degree doesn’t make you more or less in society. Do you and follow your dreams :)
Do you college?, if not where did you end up?
Watching this because I’m on the fence about dropping out of college..
i feel you
@@allypremiumaccount5976 i am the same right here, college for me starts in 2 months, i still don't know what I wanna major in, career path, specialty, nothinggg, now I'm just so lost and I'm thinking to just have an engineering degree just in case, but wasting 4-5 yrs of my life is a big decisionn
Take a year or two off and explore. Find out what you like or dislike. Get a job in something you are interested. Make/ Save money, and work hard to where your employer/ supervisors/ co-workers are willing to invest their time to teach you. Don't fall for the same trap i did by going straight to college after high school. Just remember colleges and universities will always be there if you need it. There are many paths to success. My professor told everyone on the first day "the ones who dropout will be more successful than those who have diplomas". I dropped out cause my professor took me plus a few others aside and told us diplomas don't guarantee a job, just be financially (money) smart and work hard.
Just don't.
@@ahmedeissa1134 Been thinking to just drop out from college as well. But here I am an engineering student, 4th year, and have only 1 class left which I take in this fall semester. It's been hard because it's not something that I truly want in my life, feels like wasting my time only or society's expectation (mostly to make parents proud and such). But I ended up doing it, taking the class, even though graduating isn't my focus. Just do it anyway while planning to chase my dream. Will let everything that happen, happen, graduating or not. I don't know the future..
I think this was the most chill middle ground ep
Probably
Father Louis Williams Suga Adams Junior the third OMG I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT JEEZUZ THEY WERE ALL SO OPEN MINDED
Father Louis Williams Suga Adams Junior the third can i jus say looooove ur username
Father Louis Williams Suga Adams Junior the third yes because the topic is a less stressful than the others, college (while somewhat controversial) isn’t as controversial as per say abortions or immigration, which is why people are less emotionally invested in it as an issue, which is why this is more chilled.
Cause this isn’t that like intense of an idea unlike guns or politics
That guy with the white hat has the best smile I’ve ever seen in my life. What a cutie
No thanks B I’m pretty sure that’s a power ranger lol
Brian he is💀
@@belle5560 I love your pic
@Mohaimen Prottoy Siddique I clicked on this video cuz I was like "I'm pretty sure that's Peter Sudarso", and lo and behold, he was!
Of course, Asian guys are the best lovers
As someone who graduated with an AA (community college) but absolutely hated college: It’s not for everyone. Your degree doesn’t define your self worth. ❤️
I only went to college to please my parents lol. They always nagged me about getting a degree, and I'm sure most my generation (millennials) can relate to this. I was miserable for 4-5 years cause I didn't find it intellectually challenging nor in my interests.
After graduation they insisted I went to grad school but this time I stood up for myself and I'm finally in route to do what I've always wanted to do.
What do you do
Brave!
what do you do now?
What do you do now?
What are you up to now?
What kind of degrees did these people get?
Y’all should do an episode between:
STEM vs Fine Arts.
YESSS PLEASE
Agreed lmao cause ion see anyone with a business administration degree or med or engineering degree struggling to find a job
@@Rnfjaydee Obviously, cause those job markets are safe, stable, and hiring. An artist can only work so many jobs related to his field and passion, including being a creator and artist. There's limited space, and too many applicants, all of whom chose to follow passion over security, and some make it while other stumble and perhaps 'fail'.
I'd also like to point out that lots of STEM fields do not pay much particularly without having a grad school degree
Jason Jung are you crazy? Engineering jobs just require a bachelors and you make 6 digits starting out
There's too much stigma on college grads and dropouts. Test scores don't pan out what someone has to offer, integrity and effort do.
Tell that to the companies that use test scores and GPA to filter out potential candidates. I believe what you say, but as long as those scores are used to employ people, they will determine what companies think we have to offer.
Happy Sunshine .
but on a general scale they do. The company has to weigh the most cost efficient method in which they select potential employees. For some companies this is the best method. Plus scores do weigh as a part of integrity and effort.
Fundamentally, tests can be detrimental to the future of students. I agree, there are aspects that fuel success in the long run but too much isn't taken into account when given.
Up until you get a real job then the next jobs you get won't give a fuck what your grades were :)
The thing that hit home the most was "The time for me to pursue things I wanted to do in my life was now and college was holding me back"
As a 21 year old college student... I think if you possess a particular set of skills that could potentially turn into a business, college is needless. Especially if you are ambitious and courageous
You should do middle ground for Stay at home moms and working moms.
Oh and homeschool parents and traditional/public school parents.
I would love to see it as well
Bruhmindyourbusiness k how do you the 6 kids are going to manage if their “Muslim” mom isn’t home genius
Bruhmindyourbusiness k I respect your opinion but what you are saying is false. stay at home mothers work just as hard as those with a job, just because you don’t have a traditional job doesn’t mean you are lazy and don’t work hard. my mom worked and had a well paying job for years before she decided to quit and become a stay at home mom and it was honestly so much more beneficial for me. I had a much better bond with my mom than a lot of the kids that i was friends with, they were going through terrible things but didn’t have anyone to call on or protect them because their mom was never there for them, always working. having a mom that guided me along the way and was with me when i went through stuff helped me to end up more stable. also, there’s so many aspects that come to play in being a stay at home mom, they handle ALL of the family related things that keep everyone in the house going (excluding the financial aspect), they don’t just sit around and watch tv, they take care of majority of the responsibilities that no one else is willing to do. a lot of people seem to forget that being there for your kids emotionally and physically is more important than being able to buy them nice clothes, just giving your kids material things is not being a mother. however i do have major respect for woman that handle both being a mom and working a job to make money, i think that is real hardwork too.
I’d love to see it, too. I was home schooled by my stay at home mom, but my daughter goes to school right now and I work.
I feel like though those are fantastic topics, they’d have to find just the right people, because both of those topics dominate “mom related” blogs and articles and a lot of people argue beyond reason.
I would really love to see both of these!
All I want is the school systems to be fixed and teach things that matter.. so people will actually love to go to school
Arnulfo Laniba yes exactly ‼️
Even if the school system teaches things that "matter" there will be some students that will not like school anyways. What are the things that matter and things that do not matter? Its subjective.
Marco Hernandez tru
@@marshimeak1972 Having a massive majority of people liking school is still better than having almost no one like school
@@yashjoseph3544 agreed.
Me watching this because after a year of going to college and changing my major two times I decided I’m gonna drop out to pursue something I know will make me happy even if it doesn’t allow me to sustain a living. I’d rather be happy and broke than miserable and somewhat wealthy.
wait until you hit broke and miserable
@@669kviews4 and start to blame government and start to preach communism.
How does that work
Leaving college was one of the best decisions of my life. Happy working on my career as a writer and indie film maker
I love what I’m learning from college but it’s just ridiculously expensive and half the time it’s self learning, you’re really just paying to be presented with a whole lot of information and to have access to equipment/material that you have to interpret and teach yourself to make use of.. most of that information is out there already for free too, it just baffles me why it all costs so much.
Kira college is cheap af ... what does a year cost ? like 50 grands ? (sorry not from the us) 50 grand is not much at all
iOnly WearGucci Do you realize how fucking obnoxious you sound?
Kira not trying to offend but the american educational system is TERRIBLE anyway its one of the worst in the first world :/ take switzerland (ranked for the best education system every year) school is free and going to uni is also free. Our teachers get paid a shit ton compared to the usa (10k for a „high school teacher“) whilest having to be able to go through rigerouse training to even be a teacher so they realy know what they do and love what they are doing.
sorry for the english i havent slept in 24+ hours (working in IT) and ofc i didnt read what i wrote twice so yeah
iOnly WearGucci it’s around 65 but not that it matters, we don’t all just have thousands of dollars laying around what are you on?
Even with a job on top of full time study I can only afford to pay off rent and basic food/necessities..
Sounds Like Hoopla Dont rly care tbh
Most college students are just young people with no direction and just following the steps that they feel expected out of them.
ko0lGuy23 that's exactly me. Like I just went to college because it was expected of me not because I wanted to go. I'm not happy, I'm depressed and pretty much suicidal especially during the semester because everything is just too much. And the worst part of it all is that I cant just outright tell my mom 'hey, I'm not going back to college." I've told her that school isnt for me and shes trying to make a compromise and I have no idea how to tell her that this is my life and she may not agree with the decision but it's my risk not hers. Especially when shes not paying out of pocket
don't stress about it, we all have the same parents that try to force us to do what they want. Don't be afraid to disappoint them. Do what you want and within the next 10 years you will figure out more of what you want to do and who you want to be. i'm already 31 and i have had so many different jobs and i'm still not sure what fits me. it takes time, all you can do is keep working and keep living life. Just my only true advice is try not to sit around at home even if you quit college. you can't find what you want to do if you don't go out there and try different jobs. Going out there and exploring life is how you find yourself and try to enjoy the people around you even though there will be lots of people that make you upset always try to look past them and think more about yourself.
Tyler Sanders if you’re above 21 you can legally live independent from your parents. Work hard and get an apartment for yourself, get some stable income and get a solid base for yourself to start doing what you want to do. It’s gonna suck a few months/Year’s and only do it if you have actual direction and an idea of where you want to go in life. Sometimes you just have to rip the cord between your parents and you, let them know you still love them but it really is your life so go ahead and do what you truly want to do!
me
Same
"if everybody went to college it would become useless" -- this is actually a really simple question with a really simple answer. Lol. It's about supply and demand. One of the reasons getting a job after school is so difficult now, is because there is an oversaturation of degrees. Therefore, it becomes more competitive to be hired with a degree. So yes, if everyone goes to college without more college level positions becoming available simultaneously, a degree indeed becomes useless for most people. It's that simple.
It’s not only about getting a job. It gices ypu different ways of thinking, practices your logical and critical thinkin etc etc
@@HomeForGamersFTW I learned more critical thinking skills from actually jumping into the *real world* than I did from college. I hear this sentiment mimicked by pretty much all of my “degreed” friends. And most people can’t afford to go to college “just to learn critical thinking or different perspectives” - they go because they need to get a job making actual money to survive. So yes. The largest reason for going to school IS getting a job. If it weren’t, people wouldn’t pay thousands of dollars a year to attend. It’d be illogical.
I don't get it
I don't know if it is true, but thats how I always looked at it, the more degrees, the more filled up spaces, so then you'd have to go to graduate school and its just more debt, my mom always said university teaches you how to gain a perspective but most people that do go to university around me don't think similar to what I do. The main purpose is to get a job that pays well, but there are so many jobs out there that pay well, so I mostly think it's a social status and I think it's ridiculous. But if people do know what they would like to do with college being a requirement that is awesome, but I think almost to everyone don't know WHY they go to college and they choose a job that "inspires" them thinking only college will guide them there but there's so much to life than just university being the requirement to "succeed".
You don't always need college to become successful, but an education never hurts anyone either. Regardless what you do, have a plan, learn from your mistakes, and most importantly, never give up on yourself. Good luck.
THE GUY WITH THE WHITE CAP AND HOODIE SEEMS SO CHILLED AND FUN AND IS REALLY HANDSOME
MEGHA ARMY I KNOW RIGHT HES SO FINE
IK DUDE HE SEEMS SO CHILL IAND HRS FREAKING FREAKING
His name is peter sudarso and he’s a funny af youtuber/ actor. His brother is also 🔥🔥
MEGHA ARMY YESSS ARMYY!!!! AGREE WITH YOUUUU!!! I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT THE WHOLE TIME! DAMN!
MEGHA ARMY the white guy is really cute and is it me or does he sound like Kurt cobain?
"School teaches you how to memorize the dots, true education teaches you how to connect the dots" - Prince EA
that scam artist struck you too eh?
You can be successful with or without school but with school it’s not guaranteed but without school it requires hard work
G D lol....
True education gives us the dots so we can connect them.
@@fa1509 with or without school u always need hard work if you want to achieve what you are pursuing. without hard work you will get nowhere unless youre spoiled af
I can seriously relate to the girl who didn’t walk forward when they said “I know what I want to do with my life.”
But if you dont know what to do in life why would you be in college, like what if it just hits on what you wanna purse and already in debt and wasted your time
I'm a French law student in second year of bachelor and I've never been so passionate and proud of studying, I'm so glad to say I found my place and it makes me happy. Some people cannot find that happiness in studies and that's fine, they are so many paths that are available to us, if something feels wrong and you do it to please others, you should consider trying something for yourself, even if sometimes it might be hard ♥️
2:09 I believe college should be free
"I'm broke!"
Very relatable😂
@Matthew Zhang in my country collage is free and that gives people so many opportunities.. its worth it
@Matthew Zhang It would devalue its worth, I agree, as far as employability. If 10 people with a college degree apply for a job that requires a degree....vastly different than if 100 people apply for it. Historically, employers will keep upping the educational anty to eliminate applicants. So, instead of a BA, now we all need MA's. It is happening and will continue to happen. It also depends on the major.....psychology is not a good choice right now, unless you plan on a PhD. The market drives the degree pursued.
That’s so invalid. Look at Germany, Poland, and numerous other countries where degrees are free or nearly free.
@@oliviaanastasiaxoo Not everyone is allowed to go to college/university in those countries. You must pass a post high school exam first, which determines what schools you are allowed to attend. You give up freedoms for free stuff.
Some colleges are free in my country, really neat
Honestly all three of the drop outs are attractive as hell, like personality and physically.
I agree!
The drop outs have a entrepreneur spirit
maybe that's why they're generally successful... not to be rude, but in my opinion and experience todays society is evolved around what you look like, unforchunately. And yes, there are exceptions, but people tend to treat "attractive people" better.
@@candysmith8724 lol maybe ambitious but no execution.
I'm in the comments to find Peter's instagram XD
For people without a back up plan, for people without any skills, for people without an entrepreneurial mindset, college is the ONLY option
This is exactly it!!
Creative people can't handle college, but people who arent that creative and like working for others college is the only option but business minded people win always
@Frosted Blake yes the army is a good choice too
yup :/
@Cinamonrollcutie(2) well creative people can either become millionaires or really broke, it's a risk, you better finish university and then persue a creative career
I was in college guess what I learned? Everyone cheats and uses phones to "earn" the degree they love to brag they worked so hard for 🤣💯
I didn't, but to be fair, my undergrad degree was CONSIDERABLY easier than others, so I digress
I saw rampant cheating in nursing school....everyone should be afraid....
@@atcintorrino someone Ik for legal reasons can’t say told me that everyone in that class cheats and everything and there trying to be doctors or sum in the medical field it’s scary to think these ppl are treating us but don’t know what they are doing
@@thjdfjjg5495 It's very scary. I do my own research before I let any of them touch me, unless it's trauma because they are pretty good with that.
@@thjdfjjg5495 It's true though, I've been misdiagnosed twice, lol.
lowkey the guy with the white hat is cute
mandyhaswifi he got an insta, is model & actor
International Love WHAT IS HIS INSTA
Bri murf his insta is petersadrian
HIGHKEY
Yesss he’s lowkey fine af
College isn't necessary for success. However, it does improve one's ability to higher thinking and exposure to different ideas. Is it worth getting into debt over? Your call.
WOOJONG wow you just worded it in such an amazing way
OHyas Woojong
WOOJONG !!
Of course, you would watch this haha. You are such an inspiration.
WOOJONG 1000% Disagree. I dropped out of college and most college kids are in a bubble, safespace if you will. From my perspectative a lot college kids do learn new ideas and grow but most have the same mentality. It's like sheep.
There was a good strategy that my dad had once told me in this case to work my way backwards not forwards. Meaning to first enter the workforce, explore your different options in jobs and then once when you found the specific job you like , you can then pursue a college degree . (Again it’s just a matter of a personal choice as to which one you feel is best for you and as well as if the career your looking for requires a college degree or not )
That's excellent advice
Please tell your dad he's very wise for me
I went to college for just one semester before I ended up dropping out. The reason I went to college was because of my parents who told me I should go like my sister, but after just one semester, I hated it realizing it wasn't for me. Right now, I'm just looking for a part time job to help my family, but no luck, even though my parents haven't said anything I still feel like I disappointed them. My parents only want what's best for me, but I don't even know what I want to do with my life. I even worry if I can take care of myself if I move out, buying a house, paying bills, finding a job, etc. Hopefully I will find a path that will lead me to a successful or happy life.
You got time and youth on your hands. Take a deep breath and find what you love to do and work to perfect it
tattoo, cutting hair... just while u wait. A luh skill to pass the time
Hey how are you doing now?
The dropout black man seems like such an awesome, intelligent guy!
Raichu Lean you’re the one making assumptions not me
They say his name it's Jordhan
im assuming you are dumb for that question
I don’t understand his logic when he had only 3 courses left before graduating, that’s a waste of money, time and quite stupid tbh. If you did that 2nd year or even 3rd year, I get it, but 3 courses away? Seriously?
He gets his knowledge from the legendary see she’ll neckl
All of them at the end. Every day is a learning experience
I’m learning shit while watching this video this shit wild
A $100000 learning experience ?!
The point of going to college is learning new things get a new job or get a rise. Not a dergee that my opinion and view
You don't learn anything in college
millennials being grown ups
When your asian the fear of disappointment your parents is like a mountain on your shoulders
You don’t want to disappoint them but you also don’t want to go it’s soul crushing
Also you know all your relatives and parents friends are
gonna start talking bad about you.
"I never let my schooling interfere in my education." -Mark Twain
dropouts dress so much better
Paying bills ain't easy, they got stress for sure.
ikr!
Agreed
It’s not just because they dropped out but *their* choice of style not because the left school
@@crazyformyself2820 agreed
Tbh the dropouts looks hot
Edit : omg thank you all for the 2k likes I feel blessed ❤
Tsurugi Tenma thanks, I swear all of us are
It’s because they’ve never had the stress of classes. I’m just kidding
I was just thinking that
Tsurugi Tenma Taehyung is hotter ;)
True story. While in college, I lost so much weight that my mom staged an intervention with my siblings and dad because she thought I was a crackhead lol
The thing about college is education isn’t enough. You have to make connections with people. You never know if your best friend will become the next CEO and they can hire you. Maybe they get a job and they manage to help you get a job in the same place too. Perhaps colleges have resources like the job center to help you find a path. Like during my education class back when I wanted to be a teacher (plans have changed), my professor was the principal of the school. He told me to contact him for a job once I’m done. Internships are also important! You gain experience and sometimes they will hire you. Unfortunately, where I live you can’t do internships without proving you’re pursuing a major. 😔
"Don't confuse schooling with education. I didn't go to Harvard but the people who work for me did" ~ Elon Musk
MIDDLE GROUND IS BACK
and better than ever.
While a school shooting taking place.
DoggosarenotPuppers YES
DoggosarenotPuppers wouldn't school schooters be in prison
The school shooters would be in prison, dumbasses.
My fiancé is a psychology major, I drive garbage truck. I almost double her salary.
Edit: thank you for the likes, I had no idea this would get this much attention.
Damn that's really motivating for me honestly
Its not always about money.
@@emmaheart371 you're absolutely right, I get free healthcare also. Lol
turboxtcx how much do you make?
@@lilfck5942 63k a year. Which is good in my area where average salary is 30k
College is worth it with the right degree. Too many people criticize college but don’t understand that only specific majors should be pursued if going to college
I don’t think I found this video. I think this video found me. I have been in college for four years and I have to do an extra year. And I feel like an utter failure at the university I transferred to. It breaks my heart feeling like I wasted so much of my parents money helping me pay for school. I am so fortunate to have the opportunities presented to me but as a first generation college student, i feel the pressure by my parents and it has taken such a toll on my mental health. I cry everyday. I cry myself to sleep every night. I knew college wasn’t for me when I started but I was so terrified of disappointing my family. And here I am, four years later with one year left and I don’t think I can do it. I really don’t.
Stay strong 💪 you can do it :)
😢😢well did you finish?
I live in Sweden where colleges is free. The fact that it’s free doesn’t eliminate anything of its worth at all. Lawyers, doctors, engineers and many other jobs is making quite a lot of money in Sweden, even though the colleges is free here. In Sweden it doesn’t matter if you are rich or poor when you’re choosing your education, what really matters is your grades and what you have in your head.
Which part of Sweden?!! IM MOVING NOW
Nirmie Time yeah then u gotta pay the hella high taxes that basically equal a college tuition
@@Xaelium You still get more then enough money to buy things and travel. You also get more then a month of vacation.
Xaelium not necessarily. If earnings are higher because people are doing well, higher taxes aren’t necessarily bad. No one there really bitches about the tax rate because they’re doing fine.
Only in America do people fear monger about paying taxes. If the tax dollar goes to great things that people want, why not?
@@Xpistos510 I'm sorry that I dont want to fund someone else to do something. I dont get sick often and rarely have to go see a doctor. So why would I want to pay more money each check for others to go see a doctor? I'm sorry that I would like to see my entire check hit my account and not have more than half of it taken away by taxes that dont benefit me in anyway. Selfish? You're damn right it is, but if I worked for it then I should get to keep it.
*I'M IN COLLEGE AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I WANT TO DO WITH MY LIFE 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭*
That's normal. Barely anyone does at this point.
OoOStarberryOoO I do and u should too
That's perfectly ok. Most people, even after college, still don't know.
ThisIsNajma Same thing with having kids. Not everyone is prepared or feel prepared
I'm in my 3rd year of college and feel like I wasted my time and done nothing even though this whole time I've been trying to figure out what to do.
This was the most wholesome episode with some of the most logical people I've seen so far in this series
Im currently on my third year of college and I feel like dropping out but im scared. I really want to drop out because I feel like I started college on the wrong foot and I really want to start over later, that way i can give 100% of my time into college and my career without feeling like I planned wrong.
The thing is that I really didn’t know what to do after high school so college was the only thing to keep me busy but now that im in my third year ik that I planned very poorly going into college. And I’d go back to college later in life if I were to drop out now (that is my plan as of now). The scariest part is the stigma around college dropouts especially by your own family.
Felt the same way I’m currently in my 3rd year of college and it feels as if I rushed the whole process of going because “ It’s the only way you’ll be successful in life” even though I knew this wasn’t true I just went for the sake of making my parents happy not thinking about my own mental health I’m thinking about leaving and going back in the future when I have life figured out.
I definitely think college is not for everyone. We need to have that balance of people doing jobs that require degrees but we also need people doing everything else *that doesn’t require a degree* too!
I think EVERYONE needs to be educated every single day of their life but that education does not necessarily have to happen in a university.
Andrea Vargas THIS ‼️🗣
Facts education and knowledge can be maintained through different ways I was never somebody who liked being in a classroom learning I learn through experience and doing things on hand and researching on my own I think I’m pretty knowledgeable without being the best student
The issue with that is that even careers that did not previously require degrees are now requiring them in competitive fields. Nursing as an example.
jcast39 that’s true. Let’s take a look at computer science. There are mainly 3 paths: boot camp, self tought, and college. Having that degree makes you so much more competetive than others because companies trust the colleges and know that their education will get you prepared and it’s what they are looking for. It’s definitely possible to get a job through other ways but you already have an advantage with college. Plus it’s easier to get internships with colleges and build up that resume.
Dammit, I don't know you but, fuck, that was very well put....
There's a lot of people that finished school but they're not successful
Bobbie Miller and there’s a lot of people that did not finish school and are not successful
@@lolow313 and there's a lot of people who didn't finish school and are successful just like there are a lot of people who finish school and who are successful.
Burdlepirate Luna that’s kinda the point I was making...
@@rinrenp.8117 But there are more people who finish who are successful
@Ceylon Blue there content with there lives
This is so wholesome and accepting and understanding. Gen z is a step further from here. So much progress in understanding our own differences. This is beautiful.
The difference here isn't in going to college or not, what makes an actual difference is you, a hard working man will succeed with or without a college degree, the degree will just change his successful path to another successful path.
That what I think at least.
I think success is subjective, therefore a college degree doesn't necessarily equal success...
My professors always said that colleges are a bet. I BET you can succeed if you enroll here, there isn't any guarantees.
"I think" implies that your opinion is also subjective lol
Put it this way, an employer has two applicants to choose. One applicant just got their degree/diploma in the field of job. The other applicant don't have a diploma/degree but have a lot of experience in the field of the job. At the end of the day, Employers want people that have experience even if they don't have diplomas/degree. There are many paths to be successful in life.
Shaun Deloriaf Successful about what?
It does when you become a doctor
I just couldn't stop looking at the Asian one. 😍
His name is Peter
万里Hyukoh Peter what his last name?
french fry sudarso
is he perhaps indonesian?
Beebo Say Amen yes
I wish them all success. They’re all so sweet!
I barely graduated high school then spent my early 20s partying and bouncing around odd jobs. I didn’t want to join the service or work towards a certificate in some craft.
I went back to school and now I’m an accountant working towards my CPA. I would have never thought I’d ever want to become a CPA, ever.
Life is just a wild experience, don’t be so hard on yourself and make sure to have goals.
Same here except I spent my early twenties being a cop. Got my CPA and never looked back.
Man, the genuine diversity in thoughts makes this platform so unique. I love middle ground so much!!!
It was great to see that they all thought about the question before blindly stepping forward. A lot of the other middle grounds the people just jumped seemingly before the question was fully asked.
I appreciate school for wasting over 16 years of my life but most importantly I appreciate college even more for wasting all my money on them and paying them for the rest of my life. it is such a great honor.
I felt this.
@@italiannoodle2499 same
Yikes
Maybe it won't be a waste if you don't think it is
Yikes, if it was such a waste, then you probably just didn't care.
This group is the most respectful to each other I've found on this channel. Wow. Awesome.
One year of college at 18, back in college at 36 and graduated at 38. Started a wonderful career afterward but thankful for it all - college and non-college experiences! Grand adventures are a state of mind ✨️
Asian guy is fine thoo
XOchEEr14 ima guy and I agree
His name is peter sudarso and he’s a funny af youtuber/ actor. His brother is also 🔥🔥
Agreed
FACTSSS
I only checked the comments to see if anyone was checking him out the whole time
I am glad to see middle ground back, but I would have liked to see a little more age diversity with this one. I think there would have been a better discussion if there was one older person on each side.
David William A. Very true!
what? How many old geezers do you think are still in fucking college/university? They don't understand us.
Logan R. Firstly, this is graduates and dropouts. Plenty of older people have graduated or dropped out of college in the past. Also there are older people who go to college. It is not just for young people. Secondly, I didn't say it had to be "old geezers". I said "older", meaning not just people in their 20's. You can learn a lot from older people if you are respectful and listen to what they have to say. Thirdly, I do agree that the elderly usually don't understand younger generations, but that doesn't mean they don't have anything good to say and teach us. They grew up in different situations and the world was a lot different back then. Their experience in life gives them wisdom that can be passed on and they have a different perspective that might give insight into things younger people probably don't know about. You shouldn't dismiss the elderly just because they think differently and don't understand you. Maybe the elderly and young people should try to understand each other more. Finally, middle ground is supposed to bring people who disagree together for a discussion. Maybe there should be an episode with elderly and millennials.
Emyay No. Just no.
Logan R. Are you dumb?
I love how each person gave their own perspective and experiences and not judging each other for their opinions and decisions in life. Well done!
I wanna drop outta college, but my parents always wanted me to have a college degree. I love them so much so I just struggling this college stuffs until it's ended...
It’s your life not their live
Live for yourself. once I turned 18 I felt better knowing it was my life now I can choose what I do and do not want to do. ♥️ Choose what is best for you
My definition of success is being happy
Aka being delusional and fake
What do you mean by being delusional, the only delusional thing is thinking that you cant be happy
Being happy all until your not doing yourselve harm or others harm
@@lightseeker9478 Care to elaborate?
There is one million different paths to happiness for all 7.7 billion human beings
Where do you find these amazing people
Shaunice seekingtalent.com
In amongst the others
more like losers.
Your profile pic is perfect for this comment 😂😂😂!
One of them is a power ranger
I dropped out of high school in 9th grade for my own stupidity and I regret it but I worked hard and did all my credits I was missing which was starting from 0 and I made it I graduated with a regular high school diploma👍🏼
how so u went back to school?
Yes I went back to the old school I had went to I did night school.
Seoulize good for u and now u gota job?
Hmm interesting i dropped out of high in 10th grade. Working at construction and soon to become a manager lol. Best decision ive made.
@@escanordaone9383 what do you do for now? How long did it take to graduate
What a healthy conversation. I liked this group a lot!
My mom went to a four year college, while my dad went for two. My dad makes nearly double her salary. People need to stop with the stigma that you need to go to college. People often go and then are stuck paying debt off most of their life when they could've gone to a community college with either no debt or hardly any. I went to a community college for two years, and that was just fine. Right now I am away at a four year college and my depression has worsened greatly, and I feel I haven't learned much of anything. Im thinking of dropping out and just completing a two year program. I really think college is not for everyone...and you CAN be successful without it.
Good to know my man. Try to start your own business with some friends. Good luck on your journey
Rachel H. Follow your heart. Don’t overwork yourself.
I really hate when ppl say this...in a way its true but are we really going to forget in certain fields this is almost impossible to happen? This just doesn't apply to ppl who went(at one point) to law school, went for careers in the health field or even in construction unless HUGELY self taught or reliant. But one thing in common is the ones who push the hardest and are smartest about navigating their way through make it further than those who don't. Getting a degree doesnt guarantee a good job or income, just like going into a line of vicarious or blue collar work doesn't mean higher pay than ppl with degrees. Theres tons of blue collar workers making a wide range but if you narrow it down to a field that requires both education and drive like an anisteasialogist you'll end up finding that the base wage(not earnings) is a lot more steady.
mrbobbilly not even that bro it's so much technology and social media out here that are creating young millionaires
@mrbobbilly it depends on your degree.
In Belgium if you have a degree in computer sience you will get a job guaranteed.
And one year in college costs about 1k euro and a bachelor degree takes 3 years so that isn't expensive.
I'm a graduate but have to admit one of the main reasons I got a degree was to please my parents. For most of my life I never imagined there was any alternative. For the first two years I was in a major I hated because that's what my parents chose for me. My boyfriend (now husband) convinced me to change my major to something I actually enjoyed and I'm so glad that I did. It's not as prestigious or high paying, but at least I'm actually happy
Self education is the key of success
This probably the most calmest group I’ve seen