The Unfortunate Truth About Oxford University | Empires of Dirt
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- Опубликовано: 2 дек 2020
- Zing Tsjeng visits Oxford to examine the ongoing controversy as universities across the UK reckon with their unsavoury connections to colonialism. People like slave owners, slave traders and white supremacists have historic connections to some of the UK’s finest universities. They don’t put that bit in the prospectus, but it’s the truth.
Empires of Dirt is a show about Europeans getting rich at the expense of everyone else. VICE World News host Zing Tsjeng uncovers the ugly history of the European colonial empires they don’t teach us in schools. Countries around the world were looted for their treasures, people were oppressed and exploited and European powers relentlessly profited. The far-reaching repercussions of colonialism are all around us, from our financial institutions to the food we have in our cupboards at home - and it’s about time we took notice.
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‘The unfortunate truth about Oxford University’
*Thumbnail shows picture of Jesus College, Cambridge*
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3:55 It's not like they don't talk about it
didn't make it to the 3:55 mark?
@@harleygarrett8063 I know, just seems odd not to align the thumbnail and title, especially given that Rhodes is the most prominent case in this whole debate
@@sebastianbaynes9452 They can use any thumbnail they prefer? They even mention the College gratifying a racist and paying homage. Like look at 3:55 mark and focus on it.
Erasing the past doesn't help the future. But learning from it does.
Cutting down statues, which honor assholes is NOT erasing the past.
Sure, but acting like 3their was never any positives is still imbalanced as only focusing on supposed positive effects. It's become the popular thing to do in this political climate, like a knee jerk reaction to all the whitewashing of history, if we go to far the other way, which seems to be happening it will lead to alot of people with good intentions causing terrible problems much like every period of history.
@@bene20080 Statues do not have to honor. They should be figures of history, which have explanations and lessons.
@Bill Jones OR, use those statues as examples of wrongdoings, not full out erase whatever we currently want.
@@bene20080 We should just stop letting in blacks from Africa and the Caribbean who hate our history
Reality is that Oxford is so aware about their colonial past and the issues with Rhodes that it is constantly discussed within the student and faculty body.
why though, all history has slavery, it continues to this day, you literally wouldn't be there discussing if it hadn't happened that way, what about the current 100'000 slaves and 10-20'000 child sex slaves in Africa, what about the modern slavery that builds Saudi Arabia, what of their history of castrating black boys who mostly died from it, what about England stopping it.
I'm glad people go out and protest statues and not things that actually matter. Like income inequality, global warming, and marching for actual Change in laws?
@@jibicusmaximus4827 discussion should be permitted whether a problem will take 10 or 1000 years to be solved. And let's say if slavery can never be solved let it be regarded as much as possible through discussion so good intended people can lessen excess suffering by slavery as much as possible. Also, this pretty much sums up what many people want out of freedom of speech. The freedom to subdue suffering. An eternal expedition.
@@jibicusmaximus4827 Some of these may not be convincing.
And what is the outcome of these discussions?
She looks like shes shooting a hip hop video from the 90s from the way camera is angled
Because she’s 4ft tall
Because that’s the most important of the video
Probably her child recording
She? Thats a man baby!
@@fresatx IT'S MA'AN
These camera angles have me feeling 8 years old
Why do they do that to her? 🙄
@@vhead612 Because so you think she's important: the audience viewing her from below.
@@gs7828 vice pulling a sneaky one on us.
As a photographer and partially a videographer I must admit the footage of her talking is kind of weird, they use a wide angle lens close to the subject's face from a low perspective, giving the viewer a distorted perception and creating a little bit of uneasiness, the focus is on his clothes rather than her face, this could be a mistake but I don't know the intention of the videographer. Regarding the low angle of her walking I think is intended to give us a perspective of a human being next to such magnificent man made structures.
The whole thing feel so patronising, like it’s an important topic to talk about but it’s presented in the completely wrong way
Wait when she finds out who funds vice and where their money comes from.
or wht wage slaves threaded her clothes
@midas mixuk th 3rd wurdl idiot!
Europeans? Im european and these imperial bastards killed or exiled 2 million of my countries propulation, it still hasnt recovered. Japan was was a bit of an imperialist bastard too but they get a free pass? This is a good series but if you are talking about Britian talk about Britian, blame Europe as a whole is just kinda weird and unnessisary.
jimmy Ryan it wasn’t just Britain though. it was Europe as whole.
so who is it that you’re talking about?
Why isn't there a damn thing done about CURRENT SLAVERY?
Exactly, Mauratnaia still has slavery to this day as I'm sure many other places do. That is black on black slavery though, so wouldn't make for good headlines.
Because its not anti white - haven't noticed that Vice is a bit bias
@Kushagra Amol whatever mud hut you came from will probably fade first. Whoops.
@@AlexCS593 oof
In Africa slavery is alive more than ever
Imagine looking at a university that’s nearly a thousand years old and being disgusted it doesn’t have a spotless history
Funny as hell, no wonder milenials get made fun of. Stop trying to act like history didn't happen, and FYI ALL nations and races have their dark history
Spotless history?
Disgraceful history.
What's more disgraceful is that it obviously hasn't faced its connections with Britain's brutal imperial past.
@funbot
I suggest you let other countries reflect on their brutal past.
It doesn't make what the British Empire did all over the world any better and up until relatively recently, eg Kenya.
So what do you say to the descendants of people colonised by Britain, still living with a British colonial legacy, and many areas are, it's fine, other people and Empires were bad too? That's no good to them. It's a failure to look at it from the view of the colonised that is the problem re Britain or England really. It leads to a lack of empathy and understanding. Plus still with the air of superiority.
So that even now the UN has told the UK to give the Chagos Islands back to Mauritius, the UK cleared all the people off (sounds familiar), but the UK has refused and is leasing one island out to the US military.
@funbot
Empires being there from the beginning of time isn't much good to the descendants of those colonised still living with the complex legacies of the British Empire in many areas.
It would be beneficial for those and for Britain, England in particular, to recognise the harm done and not dismiss it as ah well, Empires have been there since the beginning of time. That does not help countries or areas deal with the legacy.
Plus Britain or England doesn't change, because it lacks empathy and understanding and this has stunted its development as a country, I think.
@funbot
Harm?
All over the world.
India and Pakistan constantly at each other's throats.
Palestine. The Balfour declaration. Britain thinking it had the right to play God which led to Palestinians being kicked out of their own homes. Plus that whole region constantly unstable. That doesn't mean I don't support there being a State of Israel. It's the way it was done and that's because of the British Empire's imperial mindset.
Hong Kong. That issue wouldn't exist without the Opium Wars. That doesn't mean I support what the Chinese are doing. But the original harm that created the situation was the British Empire.
The Aborigines, stil marginalised, wiped out, treated appallingly in their own country.
Likewise the Maori.
Africa. It's wealth and resources stolen. It's people stolen. It wasn't allowed to develop itself so it has struggled to overcome that.
America. The racist issues. Many of those stem from Britain's original colony there. Plus the racist attitudes still there are to a good degree coming from the Anglo Protestant mindset in America.
Ireland. Language and culture almost wiped out. The famine. God created the blight but the British created the famine. Ireland pushed to subsistence farming meant the potato was the only crop viable to grow on poor land. The policies adopted during the famine led to a huge number of deaths, one million and millions had to emigrate. Ireland is the only country in the Western world that has a lower population now than it had in the 1800s and it still hasn't recovered in certain areas.
Plus pre the famine, the Catholic religion was practiced in a spiritual way, holy wells, holy mountains and lakes for pilgrimage, it wasn't dogma based. There weren't even many churches. The population was so traumatised post famine, survivors guilt that Catholic Church dogma took hold which was disastrous for Ireland post independence.
The policy of plantations pursued by Britain led to the foundation of Northern Ireland partition and a land border.
Pre partition the British gerrymandered a border to include Protestant areas towns and villages and to exclude Catholic areas towns and villages to ensure a good strong Protestant majority in Northern Ireland.
Partition led to a civil war in Ireland and Irish politics and the main political parties now hark back to that time.
In Northern Ireland the protestant majority oppressed the Catholic minority appallingly, discrimination, lack of basic human rights, eg access to housing, jobs, voting, etc turning Northern Ireland into an apartheid type state. All under British rule.
A civil rights movement was crushed which led to the Troubles. Decades of a dirty conflict with atrocities committed by all sides, IRA INLA UDA UVF RUC British Army etc.
And now re Brexit, a hard land border threat hangs over the island of Ireland again and the first peace it has enjoyed for centuries, due to an aggressive neughbour bent on conquest.
Just some examples.
What about the slave labour that makes everyone's clothes and smart phones ?
Stop trying to justify it by comparing. That's a whole different topic
@@blznft9513 I'm just making the point action speak louder than words.
People hate slavery but have no problem buying cheap clothes and handbags made in a malaysian sweatshop how is that any different than people buying cheap sugar and cotton ?
@@RR-mg5ss it isn’t different, you’re right to raise these questions
Getting paid something is better than starving to death. Cheap labor is outsourced because 1st world countries "pay wage" is well above that. This is why cheaper labor that used to be shopped out to China, is moving to Vietnam and India. China's wage classes have progressed. Just the way it is, unless you want to pay 50$ for a walmart t shirt and 4000$ for a basic phone.
@@RR-mg5ss difference is that they still make more in that sweatshop than any other job they can find. Also, they're free to come and go unlike slaves. It may look the same from your perspective, but if your living expenses is $1 a day, $2 pay a day is a lot of money. That's like saying why are doctors paid so poorly in other countries but 1st world country doctors get paid 200k+?
In my recommended just after I got rejected by them 😂
Lol
Who cares not like colleges will be the same after Covid. Exposed the system
Man let's jump them
Good dose of schadenfreude 😀
@@valeriezhang6359 if your family disowns you after this you can always live with me babe 😎
I’m sure you are so much better than Oxford. Forget those losers.
Why does Vice go out of their way to hire people who look like they work at an urban outfitters?
Because Vice headquarters is located in hipster brooklyn
You should be paying attention on what she’s telling. Not what’s she’s wearing. How easily distracted 🙄
@@jeonlyxoxo it’s a joke, relax
She's the executive editor of Vice UK.... who else is going to present the segment that she created ?
@@jeonlyxoxo obviously her dress sense sucks
You mean to tell me that rich people back then have attended the most prestigious colleges of that time? Whoa lol
You mean to tell me that the point of the video went over your head? Show your compassion for fellow humans man
Compassion? The video is demonstrating the danger of iconoclasm. Today it's the taking down the status of the politically and morally inconvenient. Tomorrow it could be taking the lives of those who disagree with such actions!
@@stephenkenney8290 ah yes cause that’s how it works. A book theorized that this is how it happens but real life tells me otherwise. My parents came from a country with an incredibly oppressive regime and let me tell you what, the statues, books, and whatever else that they destroyed weren’t of bad people. Hint hint it’s the statues and books of the good guys that get destroyed
@@stephenkenney8290 people like you freak out about these your country becoming crazy oppressive regime by taking things waaaayyy out of context. I wish you could live in a third world dictatorship for a year just to actually understand the difference
Yes, that is how it happens, and yes, it can happen anywhere. Notable examples include Japan, Italy, and Germany. I also may not live under an oppressive regime, but I am not fool enough to believe that my government couldn't become one. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance my friend. If you want to confront a terrible past, you do it with education and reform, not by tearing down reminders and erasing it from your records.
Yep, people did shitty things to get rich in the past. Totally not the case today though. Oh, wait...
Shitty things in the past is probably the biggest understatement of the century to describe crimes of UK 😂
the pyramids of Egypt were built by countless slaves but no one ever talks about that....
I like when white British citizen get offended when ridiculed for murderous history haha stay mad 👍🏼
@@arthurias7693 No, they weren't. They were built by well compensated skilled craftsmen.
Take a look at the Mongols, or the Romans. Honestly, the British empire, as bad as they were, was pretty tame in comparison.
how to apply modern values to historical periods in which values were different...
So you guys treat people of color good now?
@@daylemia pretty much...the ladder of law has no top and no bottom
@@pez--- ok, so the natives, black and brown groups are good now? No injustice? No more complaints about the same group these men represent? Hm, guess all those thousands of protesters worldwide for the last hundred years were actors.
@Alpha Centauri you’re not one of those wannabe white buffer class types are you? Deny anything to gain acceptance by your white buddies? Anyway, I know your honored that you can share the same bathroom with the white people you identify with, but that doesn’t mean injustice and harm is not being done to other people (that look like you). You can still acknowledge injustice and have empathy. Ignoring it won’t make you more anglo sorry😐
@@daylemia You’re the racist one here
When are you going to talk about China imperialism and literally ethnic cleansing since its beginnings
When they start talking about U.S imperialism which they never will.
@@walkernicholasbarr8703do you realize that the us is one giant colony?
She is just mimicking how BBC use gray color filter to shoot every Chinese news
@@walkernicholasbarr8703 oh wow “the western cultures ended slavery” so black people should be grateful is that what you’re thinking?
@@hannahw4950 Yes. Not black people. The entire world should be grateful. And not just to the western world but to the British Empire
The UK abolished slavery over 200 years ago.
Most people at Oxbridge don't have time to stare at statues.
Please do a South African episode. I think people may find it interesting. I am a South African myself and i think it would be good insight into current affairs back home.
yeah, walk downtown jo burg
She is a spy, she just want to make a civil war in Europe and US
@@teukuazmi7271 bingo
Whats to know? Colonizers came...used apartheid and gentrification to subjugate nationals and created an enclave for them to vacation to when they want more culture.....once met a white s.a. women and she proceeded to tell me a black american she was "blacker than me"....😂😂😂😂🤦🤷... pretty much all you need to know right there
Please go to hell.
Never heard the word 'racist' said this many times
welcome to 2021 everythings racist bro
bc u are WHITE
@@bispo5671 I'm literally not lmao
Well now you do, perhaps if you stop feeding of the education propoganda of your state, you'll hear a lot many things which you never did before bestie
History is just that HISTORY, you can't change it, we can only learn from it and change for the better. Life changes as time go's by with different struggles and realities.
Wait until u see the HISTORY repeats itself when humans colonize other planets.
@@Hollow00000 ok, well let me know when that happens and I'll be all for protesting enslaving aliens.
You act as if there are no intergenerational impacts from our history and as if history has not repeat itself. If you do not understands how impactful our history was to the present day then you need to start educating yourself
lol
True, but we don’t need shrines reminding ourselves about it
I feel like there should be an outdoor museum about this sort of stuff where these statues are sent after they’re taken down, even the statues are an important part of history, a reminder that these people were revered. Given the right context, these statues can carry a powerful educational message
I know there's a museum about slavery in the US, where most of the racist and slavist-related items are displayed in context. It helps people to empathize too.
Good point. It definitely gives the statue an entirely new context. Eery even, seeing the quality and labor put into these pieces.
I agree,… even in respect to Britains tarnished past in many aspects NOT all because Britain WAS GREAT & personally I believe we deserved the character definition,…but whom ever destroyed the at times gracious character that identified Britain which was likely very many, they should be the ones who bare the brunt of that ugly arrogance in whatever the particular guilt they bore!
Even so,… they should still be remembered for anything good they did,…OBVIOUSLY & ESPECIALLY if it was life changing in a positive sense for the country!
Like you pointed out given the right context they can still be rewarding for the educational system,.. but maybe pointed out as an aside along the message of praise another message that points out the persons criminal & hateful behaviour especially racial !
So the figure doesn’t need to be destroyed to the point where we no longer have any opportunity to learn of an important character in our history!
£9000 per semester? Per year? Damn! Either way, it’s cheap.
Here in the US, my tuition is $69000. 🧐
£9250 per year
In NL it's 2000 EUR per year but we think that's already really expensive, Germany has it better with 240 EUR (300 USD) per year.
UK gov implemented a limit to prevent excessive fees and to give everyone the opportunity to study wherever they want
Yeh but America is corrupt and far from free.
Ask for cheaper education over carpet bombing small nations for resources.
Priorities.
70$ per semester in norway :)
Mates, just rename it "British Empire of dirt" not a single episode of any other Empire.
because they hate winners
@@BM-rw8ty That's a Bold statement, the French currently control more territory than the British.
@@peoplesrepublicofliberland5606 The British Empire was the largest empire in history. And overseas territories isn’t an empire.
@@jamescheynne2879 the uk uses both but in different context, it’s just evolution of language.
@@jamescheynne2879 Did you forget that English is spoken in a wide variety of ways all around the world.
All these people acting like they would've done different back in the day
You're right, they would of been the same...it was the environment so they would of been the same..
the same people that claim that claim "how they would be" picture themselves in the 1800s 1900s wearing skinny Jean's, tattoos pricings, other modern appeal, telling people off about how fucked up racism is.....
If they lived back then, they would talk, dress, think and live the same..
Except there were people that were against this. Even during slavery there were many abolitionists that played a key role.
Historical context would be different compared to today's standards, yes. However, this video is a recounting facts. What I got out of it is, it's important not to perpetuate the deification of historical figures because of a donation. They were just people, some much more flawed than others.
You are saying you would have been a slave trader if you lived back then!!! Wow
They would have done it different and EVEN MORE BETTER TOO!
How about investigating modern slavery and people trafficking instead of a rather underwhelming history lesson. Must be more important things to report on?
Well said! There are slaves today who need freeing and slavers who need killing. It would also be nice if they stopped using the term human trafficking to describe it, a euphemism if ever I heard one.
Would you have talked about modern slavery on a video that wasn't linked to historical slavery?
The point we are trying to make here is that focusing on historical slavery doesn't help solve modern slavery. But in my opinion, the presenter's iconoclastic viewpoint is extremely concerning.
Jesus Christ! have you ever tried shutting up for once? nobody is forcing you too watch it but it must be really painful too know that how most of the things that you enjoy comes from things which are so condemnable, fucking stop with the damn gaslighting mate.
That wouldn't make them feel virtuous. It is the past they use to beat us. Nevermind the fact that all her clothing came from a slave warehouse in the east. Nevermind that the recording equipment came from slaves. I think the future will look back at this period as the most hypocritical in the history of mankind.
God these camera angles they use for her are condescending.
why
@@charlesmiv3842 I think cause it’s filmed with her POV being taller/above the camera I guess
@@renatos591 that’s not “condescending”....
The cameraman must be a foot off the ground she is super short 😂
Can you find another way to get the shot? Oh great light bender.
There’s legitimate discussions to be had and I would support a democratic decision making process within the university about how to deal with these things. It’s weird that she talks about celebrating the slave owners though... no one is doing that.
the statue of Cecil Rhodes for instance
@@angell.7469 Wait you think having the statue there is evidence that the university as an institution celebrates slavery? Or the people that make the decision to keep it there are showing themselves to be what... Like wistfully looking back at slavery as some lost golden age?
It's simplistic and far too easy to judge people too harshly from history. Instead of doing pointless things like tearing down statues, why not try to understand, integrate, and accept it. And help make the world better. That's what adults do.
@@mattmarkus4868 There were people in the times of the slaveowners and racists honored with statues who objected to what they did.
@@mattmarkus4868 germany pulled down their nazi statues after losing wwii. how is this any different?
U guys gunna cover the Mongol empire soon? Can't wait 🙂
Mozart's requim always makes things intense.
Blackadder: "I asked if he'd been to one of the great universities, Oxford, Cambridge, Hull ... You failed to spot that only two of those are great universities!"
Melchett: "That's right. Oxford's a complete dump".
Could you please do an episode about the japanese empire occupation of east asia during ww2?
No she can't, only the whitey is accountable for doing the same every other culture has done
@@CSDesign2023 yup that's right, the slavery did not exist in Africa until Europeans set foot on that at the time peaceful and prosperous continent
You must know by now it's only seemingly the British who ever do things wrong
@@thejoeday6031white *
why’s she walking like a minecraft player model
I just find incredible that an Asian girl - growing in UK - gives lessons about racism..
😂
Wait I’m confused what’s incredible about that???
@@nicola7021 it's incredibly how sparsely disguised op's subtle racism is.
She’s giving lessons about history not racism
Might as well leave England. Because guess what. The whole country is founded on the same roots. 😂 🇬🇧
It’s literally all of human history we can’t change what they did we have learned from it these people can’t comprehend it and it’s sad
Nobody will leave and It will be changed from the roots all the way to the top 👍🏼
@Andrew yeah well some people also thought slavery was good there are always going to be stupid people if they can’t see facts they never will everyone with a brain knows slavery was wrong.
@Andrew the Empire has atrocities like every empire in the history of Earth, but they also done good things like bring laws, transport, economy, education, electricity, industry, healthcare, language and countless other things that if they didn’t bring them, the world wouldn’t be where it’s at today.
@Andrew
And yet India still bases their institutions on those left by the British, why would they do that if they hated their influence so much?
For some reason she reminds me of that lady who was on TLC for being an extreme cheapskate in New York
I remember that episode where she fed her guest with what she salvaged from the dumpsters.
because she’s asian- stereotyping much 😍😍
😂😂😂... 😑 smh
LMFAOOO
@@arrangormley5594 no dumb it’s because she actually looks like her
“Britons shall never be slave”
The best way not to be a slave is to make others your slave.
Yeah well Britain had plenty of britons as slaves… that whole viking culture they inheritied… yeaaaa
Yes, bad things have happened in the past and present and behind many great fortunes there is a great crime. The self-righteousness of some people is hard to take.
Imagine this, no slavery back then, no european went to africa and no african brought to europe or US, what would happened now?
@@3m287 you get your history from your slavery universities? Good one
@@EliteExpat You didn't know about the Arab slave trade?
@@EliteExpat Arab slave trade was even more luxurious and wealthier than the slave trade from 16th to 19th century, only reason europeans werent involved with it is because they couldnt understand how a someone could be owned by another
@@marko6905 I know white people always trying to push blame away! That I know very well. Historically. Keep reading your fake books.
African would be richer
Europe and America would be poorer
Do something about the Irish Famine, which was one of the worst things British colonialism ever done.
I’m Irish and I agree, slavery is constantly rinsed and the average person thinks only black people were hard done by
@@BM-rw8ty Maybe we should start talking about the role of Irish people in the slave trade?
@@dlc2479 maybe we should talk about how the Irish were stolen of anything of value and also the British were the First Nation to abolish slavery?
Irish people are white so that doesn't fit the narrative
@@notthisprickagain8499 waaa only black people are victims waaaa
Years ago I watched a tv programme following a British black guy learning about his history. This found him in the Caribbean and the sugar trade, a plantation owned by a British family.
That was the end. I found myself thinking that if we chase the history back on all our old castles, mansions and stately homes, you will almost always find their financial foundation includes a strong link to human exploitation and misery.
What is to be the solution when everyone realises this I wondered?
The wealthy who’s family own these huge stately homes and parks need to accept the only way forward would be to hand these places over to full public ownership. They should be used and enjoyed by everyone for public events and community cohesion gatherings. We should not destroy these buildings out of rage, we should use them as a symbol of change. Turning dark history into light evolution. A place where everyone can truly come together as an equal.
I only recently found out my own history. I descend from white British yet now I have found 25% of my heritage shows my lineage is Indian. A Royal family that fought till the end against the East Indian company.
This certainly helps to explain my lifelong internal feeling of being in a paradoxical state.
We mustn’t rage for our past and instead utilise the rage by transforming ourselves to create a better future.
We are all fallible but the key is to never stop trying to get it right for all. ✌🏼
You're gonna have to change that thumbnail. That's Jesus College, Cambridge
Jesus!
On todays episode of "Who can we make a video about being racist in the past?".
white teen girls furious rn
It is Vice after all.
I agree it is rather redundant, but the fact that I see so many right wing snowflakes in these comments shows me there are bigger problems than innocuous videos like these.
@@GokuTheSuperSaiyan1 exactly! look at all these comments! They're screaming at the top of their lungs "GAHH!! fucking college kids!!1! Don't remove my racist statue I never knew existed!!1"
Like bro chill. I gotta hand it to Vice to show us who the real ❄️s are
More than innocuous, I may call this video useless. Or worst, a distraction from real issues and troubles.
We cannot accept a statue cause we know he oppressed people, but we can buy and use a phone even if we totally know that is made by oppressed people.
I feel some sort of bias in it.
I finally understand what they meant by distracting hand gestures when giving a speech...
Close your eyes then weirdo
@@Faderificism interesting
I am European, I can't speak without my hands.
Used to like vice, now this.
Exactly
What's wrong with this?
@@1_jahwarrior They said Rhodes was mean. They are worse than K-Pop stans.
In South Africa, there's a university named after Cecil Rhodes called Rhodes University.
Whom are we cancelling today
Vice: say no more
@Just Looking Spot On!
She's mad she's not white
@@UstinUrtis being white isnt a desire.
@@UstinUrtis Dude why would anyone want to be white?
@@BigMoney398 But it does bring out insecurities and jealousy of others
Sorry, what about modern day slavery in China?
VICE News has covered that, and the prison camps for Chinese Muslims.
What about both?
I visited Oxford University many years ago and would not hesitate to attend the school if given the opportunity... or rather if I EARNED the opportunity. Check out wikipedia for information on "Slavery in Asia", Slavery in China and such. Slavery is covered in THE HOLY BIBLE, remains a part of our history and some even believe it exists today. As for Oxford, I consider myself fortunate to have visited the UK and been part of my great historical and cultural heritage. What sounds crazy are stories of Roman slaves who fought as gladiators and refused freedom even after winning it fairly in the arena. Apparently they enjoyed freedom... though, to be honest, ownership no doubt is better.
Only you can decide what you see when you look at those symbols such as the statue of Rhodes.
You can either choose to see a reminder of what we can refuse to be and do.
Or you can do THE EASY THING, and see it as an encouragement of terrible actions.
Taking down a statue or exposing a story from long ago can only go so far. And by hiding the atrocities, all you do is make people forget the past and commit all of its mistakes, again. As people say, "out of sight, out of mind".
ever hear of a museum? we have plenty of reminders of our racist history. glorified statues are not the way.
Well said.
@@wandalyons1559 they're only glorified in your race baiting socialist minds actually.
@@wandalyons1559 well said , couldn’t have put it better myself
Do you know what a museum is?
Rhodes Scholarship is one of the most prestigious in academia. 😲
But a racist person
Now we know the source of his wealth as well as the scholarships.
Right?So much being uncovered!
Almost all of America’s universities were built on land grabs and genocide
www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/opinion/land-grant-universities-native-americans.html
@@enzedmusic6808 So you rather end the scholarship to get a comeback at someone who died more than a hundred years ago? I hope not.
@@user-rv9um5xc3r Robbing and looting the world for there wealth and knowledge by racist people then opening up unis doesn’t justify anything. Just shows European domination is controlling the world til this day. But don’t worry mis understood person history repeats it’s self and no matter how powerful every empire comes to a end.
Why are you looking down on us in the thumbnail..
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Edit: and throughout the video
She's thinking about all the white people that will be watching, whole video is just a classic from the mind of the "easily offended" and the arrogant with those who think no one has ever heard of history
It’s her most flattering angle?
She is probably really short and shooting her for another angle would make her look like a little girl, there’s actually nothing smug or condescending about her tone
@@Lolp821 it seems like you're the one that's easily offended if someone's posture triggers you
@@Lolp821 Ironic, because your comment suggests you got offended by the video itself lol. White snowflake
Can someone tell me the background music throughout the video...thank you very much!
Looks like you're not going to get an answer
What about slavery in Russian Empire which ended only in February 19th, 1861?
Do some stuff on how bad china is. Historically and currently.
About how raicist they were and still are. Towards other aisians and the muslims and pretty much everyone else
@Sir Smith Not to mention the muslim population, Communism hates religion.
VICE has stuff on China ie. the Uyghur "reeducation" camps
@@thomasscassellati5487 i meant this vice reporter specifically.
But thanks tips maybe some one who didnt know will check it out now :)
But yah maybe show us some real empires of dirt that stayed bad or got worse. Not the ones that lead the world in the modernizing of everything.
Much worse countries that didn't give so much to the world
It's a 6 minute documentary, so it's not like by doing this she is whitewashing or denying present day racism. Decent and factual documentary series about how the history curriculum in most schools is complete bullshit
My country has many faults, it once an empire, then being replaced and suffered like its former colony. Right now there are issues within the society that unsolved. There are channels devote itself for that, though biased, you can check them out
THIS IS KATE FROM TLC's EXTREME CHEAPSKATES!!!!!!!
Ur right wow !!
yeah it's kate hashimoto, wtf is she doing here?
Kushagra Amol it won’t
Lol that episode put her on😂😂
No. She's Zing Tsjeng.
British people after watching Oxford getting criticised "we are not amused"
They shouldn't be amused. The criticism is ridiculous.
Just like the criticism of the empire?
We are very amused, because not a single one of us was alive when slavery was going on at this time. We did not not nor ever will agree with what they did, different times, different people, different morals. Get over it.
@@charlottebruce979 unfortunately we can't. It's been just 74 since last of you people left and you have left a nation partitioned. The history of colonialism is not taught to you. Just imagine that there's even native American saying that " if you see two fishes fighting, then surely an Englishman has passed that way". We are not asking for compensation, but surely we reserve the right to criticize.
@@alenorraiden1 the Indian subcontinent was never a nation state. It never had single unifying identity, culture, language, religion or central governance. It was made up of separate states that were sometimes aligned, often not.
But, if you insist, you and your religious zealots 'divided' yourselves willingly. From my point of view, what never existed as one cannot be 'divided'.
What is the music at the beginning?
2:47 - Gatherings of over 6 people were explicitly outlawed in the UK at that time, yet very few people were arrested for breaking that law & the police didn't try to stop the demonstrations.
@Andrew If that were true, outdoor gatherings wouldn't be banned. A single cough or sneeze when in a crowd can infect several people within seconds.
Disappointing and simplistic video. Disappointed from
Vice on this one.
I agree. Pointing out that the british aristocracy profited from the empire and slavery is hardly news.
I've had the pleasure of visiting Oxford University twice. The first time in 2000, and again in 2004.
"Some good doesnt wash away all the bad"
Well damn, lets never do good again then.
Do you only do good to wash away the bad ?
I think its good that their not idolizeing these men anymore or at least trying not too.
Anything built on corruption and evil can never be good
Yeah, instead now, we idolize these www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/664296/secretive-iPhone-factory-safety-nets-stop-suicides-Apple-Petagron/amp
How dare you assume their gender
@@DinoNucci hhahahahh 🤣
Facts
I just came to comment on how cringey the thumbnail is
It’s dreadful, she looks so righteous in her cancel culture attack sponsored by vice
AITA for lookin at this thumbnail and thinking "Careful, we got a badass here"
But what do these people expect? When an institution is literally hundreds of years old it’s bound to have a sordid history. And while I agree that continued praise of villainous figure should stop. In no way should these institutions apologize for taking money from said figures. The institutions did not partake or instigate these horrible crimes they merely received funds to continue to provide education. Also a modern administration should not have to bow for the mistakes of their predecessors that is absolute madness.
Exactly. At the people who made these huge donations were advancing science, were patrons of the arts and were regarded as legitimate businessmen of the time. In hindsight their legacies are dominated by their profiting from slavery, but at the time, perspectives were completely different.
Perhaps they should rename some of these dinners or put plaques up which shine a light on the dark history. But there is literally zero point in walking around literally ancient institutions and going “rich racist people paid for this in the 18th century.” Like it isn’t obvious.
What’s next? Don’t tell me the monarchy has been home to racists, misogynists, war mongers, murderers.
How about the Palace of Westminster? I wouldn’t believe anyone who says that many of the UK’s prime ministers held white supremacist beliefs?
Lol. Churchill was one. You don’t need to go back to the bloody 1760’s to find these people. What was Vice thinking. This video was sooo pointless.
@Rachel Goldberg
Ah but that’s different because the rise of nationalism in modern Japanese politics has actively embraced their atrocities and continue to celebrate their imperialistic roots. And meanwhile oxford university merely received money from perpetrators but did not endorse the values of their donors, at least not in an official capacity. And the difference between the Japanese and oxford is that the Japanese were the ones to actually perpetrate the crimes and then maintain the same level of justification of their actions enforced which they should be ashamed and condemned. And when I say the new administration should not apologize for the mistakes of their predecessors, the stipulation should be that the new administration does not continue the flaws of their predecessors, I should’ve made that clear.
The Japanese following their defeat and subsequent American occupancy formally apologized for their participation and active role in their atrocities. However the new administration in an increasingly conservative and nationalistic Abe government has refused to acknowledge the extant of their participation and for that they should be condemned.
I miss the old VICE...
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So, you want to delete history?
This video is literally teaching history. You just don't want to hear it.
Delete? True history was never revealed!! So reveal it and take no part in the wretched evil of others. Injustice, inhumanity, plus time, does not equal JUSTICE or humane conduct! If times have changed, leaving room at the table for past sins is to empower that old evil all over again. These people have had their legacy of wealth and fame. That’s enough! Tell the Rest of their vulgar story and take them down!! All lives prospered in white privileged lands; and All lives matter because Black lives toiled and died and therefore truly Mattered✊🏿‼️
@@coled82595 she looks like want to destroying that buildings and statues 😅
@@coled82595 it’s giving us the history to tell us why we should erase this history.
Typical commie stuff that will continue until they see their ideologies confirmed, i.e. never. I don’t think you would get a Western majority for the removal of any kind of ambiguous or bad actors for any other culture.
@@Sheeshening Recognizing history ≠ erasing history
You just don't like that the history you mistakingly believed was true is now being corrected. You're scared of truth. You're scared of being forced to recognize that the people and societies that you once believed were good were actually not. You're frightened and ignorant. I pity you, my boy.
In South Africa we still have a university called Rhodes.
the thing is racism is probably the foundation of most universities in the us and uk that have long histories. its something that we cant change... but it doesnt change the prestige of schools like oxford or harvard
Slavery wasn't based on racism - it was based on a technological and military imbalance between the enslavers and the enslaved - just like every other slave-trade in history.
The British were not fussy over who they made their slaves - they had more white slaves than black slaves at certain points.
Racism perpetuated slavery and was a factor in its development, but it was not the cause of slavery. Had the West African countries been sufficiently armed and technically developed, the British would not have developed the transatlantic slave trade.
Oxford was established in 1096 (Cambridge 1209), so they do not have the same foundation as US university’s.
@@joblakelisbon Correct, racism does not cause slavery; racism rationalizes slavery.
As one cannot change history, we have to view the "slave trade" as it was seen then. Society condoned the buying and selling of human beings during this dark period, so it would be wrong, in my humble view, if individuals who profited from this ghastly practice are pilloried now. It boils down to what the convention was at the time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
yo am I tripping or is most of this video tilted towards a side
I suppose exposing racism is a side?
@@ruffridge02 no I mean the camera angles, literally
@@ruffridge02 Say that to Vigors in China
you could say that for the whole of the western worlds social and economic development
“Im from fucking Oxnard.”
“What? What is this Oxford?”
Sad but true, unfortunately it was a different time back then and the was the norm. Most institutions around the world had their dirty little fingers in the slave trade pie.
@Nick Arjomand 0:33 It tells you right in the beginning what "Empire of Dirt" series is all about...and you're shocked that this video focuses on European institutions??? Congrats! You literally missed the fucking point!
@@HitomiNoRyu well, that's the problem. There are not enough series that focus on non-European institutions. I've honestly had enough of "European people bad! give black people reparations! ". It's about time we start saying "Turkish people bad! give balkan people reparations!". The Balkans are a shithole because the ottoman empire oppressed them for centuries and kept them away from the enlightenment and the industrial revolution.
@@nickb1156 Since people have a Eurocentric view they don't know much about Turkey and probably don't care about another countries problems when their own country has plenty.
@@nickb1156 Ah you committed the classic Whataboutery fallacy~! A common tactic but very unhelpful to any argument for all parties involved. Just because you mention a completely different and unrelated topic doesn't mean the original topic lost any merit as a result. You just wasted everyone's time.
@@HitomiNoRyu I'm glad I wasted your time 😌
00:50 Yeah it's very hard to picture that.
This is from 3 years ago, and Oxford was conducting a two-year "inquiry." How about an update Vice? @Vice
Nice vids, keep them up.
Today, there are 25 million modern day slavery in North Korea that is world largest prison in the world.
In today's episode of 'white men BAD' Zing Tsjeng lectures us about British History.
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Nice love when racist expose themselves.
@@herrk9237 Say that to entire Vigor community in China 2020
In Oxford's graduate's voice :D
WAIT!!!! 3:05 THIS is where the " Rhodes Scholar," thing comes from?? WOW! My mind is blown and deflated now. Just wow!
It’s incredibly jarring to consume anything coming from vice news knowing that one of the founders of vice is also the founder of the proud boys
Stop bashing these schools and things that received money 200+ years ago. The past is the past, learn from it and move forward to make our world a better place.
Nice misleading comment, calling and educational video about history a bashing to these schools
The past is still churning out dollars for these schools.
Fellow millennials, there's gotta be a better way to deal with our world's problems than complaining and placing blame and holding grudges against past generations. I agree that we face a lot of issues, but self-victimization isn't the path to victory.
Or we can just continue to worship slave traders and warlords. Nah I think I'd rather not tbh.
The only way the british empire could atone for its sin is by giving away trillions of dollars back to the former slaves colonies for years of damage, but they never will because the british empire and its people are #1 truly not sorry for their crimes against humanity, and #2 most british people are proud of there heritage as peoples who oppressed most of the world to get ahead.
It’s not complaint and you say this like the blame and grudges aren’t totally justified. The reason this show exists is to explain the past and give context to modern conflict since no part of human life works within a vacuum. The more you read about empire, the more you will find that the vestiges of it are alive and well. If you’re interested in learning, I would recommend some beginner reading like Natives: Race and Class in the Ruins of Empire by Akala and Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race by Reni Eddo-Lodge.
@@Patchesmcgee123 Nobody's worshipping anything, let's not get dramatic. There are many millions of people on this planet who don't have running water or access to even basic healthcare...entire nations full of people who'd be very happy indeed if their biggest complaint in life were a statue of a long-dead person, erected by other long-dead people.
@@PatricioCharlie well why are those statues up? If they're so unimportant then surely you have no issue with them being taken down
Congratulations, you discovered bad things happen.
Congratulations, you discovered that we shouldn't honor awful people.
@@_blank-_ but we don't anymore this is our history
Bless, dealing with the crux of what she’s exactly saying leaves you with endless shame and guilt doesn’t it. Deflect all you want, facts are facts. The truth will never be hidden, and this is just the beginning 😊 hope you’re on the right side of revolution.. congratulations!
@@_blank-_ it is thanks to those people that Oxford exists, grow up
@@wigglyworm6645 we still do religion is still a thing
Any similar links to Uni of Manchester and Manchester Met?
Taking down statues means re-writing history. This is not OK no matter where it happens in the world. The destruction of Buddha statues in Afghanistan by the Taliban government was universally condemned.
It really doesnt. You can take it and put it in a museum where it belongs. That puts the history in proper context.
A statue of someone on one of the worlds most prestigious universities only serves for a purpose of reverence.
Statues are NOT history. Statues are a form of worship (state, religious, secular, etc). You're not learning history from a statue, you're learning vague IDEALISM from a statue with zero context as time goes by.
@@HitomiNoRyu You do have a point but statues and other historic structures are reminders of different eras that a country, civilization or a region has gone through. For example, Roman relics in many parts of Europe and Asia are fabulous prompts of rise and fall of great powers.
Shuch
Just to throw it out there. Empire of dirt from egoless is a banger of a tune
Name if the intro song?
well vice should also make a video on indentured labourers
Hand gesture makes me uncomfortable
Feels like overcompensating for something
She moves her hands like some random video game NPC.
They look like prosthetics due to how little she moves her fingers.
Well she is an NPC so....
Is it just the buildings that slavery and other forms of activities now considered criminal or immoral or does the edifice of concepts and "knowledge" and perceptual paradigms emerge from these activities? How do we respond to this ?
-Western education is like the proverbial naked king
everyone knows its naked but nobody dare to say
so because of their vested interests.
the comments are a good example
Imagine going to live in a country just to berate it endlessly. Peak clown
She doesn’t hate the UK she’s just telling their past.
@@nirus9599 she must leave we are tired of her propaganda
"I'm here to virtue signal to my fellow Oxford chums and tell you, Steve, who works on a building sight, why I'm morally superior to you."
Bravo👏
That's basically the whole content if this video lmao
Ironic that most of the world's suffering is caused by people educated by these institutions.
The thumbnail is literally of Jesus college, Cambridge 😂😂
yeah it's almost like there Jesus college features in the video too
You have to look at history from the viewpoint of those of the time. Of course a modern view of History will judge the acts of various famous individuals, especially those in the slave trade.
This is such biased reporting, not even journalism.
I mean, it Vice but if you go in knowing that there is still something to be learned
Vice: "Rhodes exploited and basically enslaved thousands, justified his actions with abhorrent racism. Some people consider that homages like statues should be removed from public view."
Comments: "HoW dArE yOu diSrEsPecT hiM aNd HiS mEmoRy? hE wAs ALmOsT a FaThEr To Me"
Y'all are worse than K-Pop stans for real.
The fit is reminiscent of the “berries and cream” little lad from those starburst commercials.
When will she do a video about mao zedong the greatest tyrant who had killed people twice as much of hitler’s?