►Shop for merchandise: autogefuehl.shop/ ►Subscribe here: ruclips.net/user/autogefuehl ►Also subscribe to our RUclips shorts channel: www.youtube.com/@thomasautogefuhl?sub_confirmation=1 ►Follow us on Facebook / Instagram / TikTok @autogefuehl ►Sustainability in the automotive industry documentary: ruclips.net/video/-8gNXlRGngA/видео.htmlsi=bCdeJZORRHNcVmV2 This is our in-depth review of the all-new A5 as Audi S5 sedan. We're taking a look at Exterior, Interior and the driving experience. 00:00 Audi S5 Sedan 02:40 A5 Sedan, Sportback, Avant 04:49 quattro ultra AWD 08:26 Engines and sound 10:41 Suspension and badge 12:26 OLED 13:55 Fake exhausts? 15:55 Audi A5 S-line 17:02 Interior quality 19:23 Seats and comfort 20:47 Cockpit 23:20 Driver perspective 24:52 B n O sound system 25:38 Rear seats 28:23 Trunk / boot 31:42 Acceleration tests 32:37 Steering and suspension 38:20 City driving and MHEV 40:45 Agile driving and fun 46:09 Pricing 47:15 Would I buy one? #Audi #AudiA5
Same mistakes doing all time piano gloss cheap button click one moved all in the door what point buying S5 not carbon fiber inside pay 80-89k EU for that nah does not works that way they no care about costumers not Audi not all Germany they never care about costumers but you open mouth for china or Chinese EV much better EV do quality BYD zeekr xpeng they are tops and they are care about costumers and criticism because they listen them but here Germany how many you make video said about fake exhaust they never fix or change and never go listen that different from china and now Sean lion 7 beat all them in market and DZ9 gt zeekr x7 xpeng p7+ top design style unique and now zeekr mix new model mini MVP be best of the best beat all them nobody touch geely most rich company in china and top of tops high rank company in the world geely
The whole modern car market (for normal people) is broken. Endless design "features" and systems that no one wants, all forced on us whilst being charged extortionate prices.
@@slapshot0074 Totally agree with you! I tried recently the latest 3 series (330i). Besides the fact that the hybrid is an overweighted disgrace to the 3 series heritage, the usability of the infotainment is a long list of unnecessary extra steps and chores. Everything the older generation was doing, the newer one requires extra 2-3 steps.
Audi interiors used to be some of the best in the world. Now... capacitive buttons, piano black and a boring screen as a dashboard? Cheap, cheap, cheap. The exterior is very, very bland. Another example of manufacturers dictating what we should buy. No more coupe. A huge NO for me. I found an independent mechanic to work on my 2-door, manual A5, and will not set foot in another Audi dealership after they also refused warranty work on my car.
The manufacturer doesn't dictate you what to buy. THere's a thing called vote with your wallet. If they are so shitty no one will buy them. But I doubt that will actually happen. And don't act on the internet like you were on the verge of buying the new audi model lol. Somehow all comments in car reviews act like they were just gonna buy these 50K+ cars tomorrow
@@GrandSil90 my A5 is 8 years old, so I'm in the market. But you're absolutely right, I am voting with my wallet, and keeping my manual, with analog buttons and gauges, 2-door coupe, and not buying a new car until manufacturers come back to proper car making.
The Škoda Superb comment was spot on. It actually has better interior design, quality, much more space on the rear seats and better user interface with physical dials 🤷♂️ What happened with you Audi? 😢
I drive a new Skoda Octavia from 2024. If the Skoda Superb has the same infotainment system, then you will have more problems with it than with the Audi (we also drive an Audi as our second car). The rest with the physical dials which are missing in the Audi and too much touchscreen is correct.
I don’t hear any car journalists praising any new generation of car as they used to. You don’t hear “better looking” “better built” “more exciting” at all anymore. Sad times, sad cars
Yes its an achievement when the new gen is not that much worse looking than the previous gen. I hope the German brands shape up, because now it looks like Germany is in a cultural decline - no new ideas just screens and gloss black plastic.
I completely agree with your comments regarding rear seat legroom….it really needs to be prioritized over something like luggage capacity. It’s shocking how many modern large four door sedans have abysmal back seat space.
My tinfoil hat theory is that they purposely do this as part of their "price ladder" strategy to push people to by their mid-sized sedans (ex: E class, A7, 5 series) which have fatter margins. Just a theory though.
I think most people that buy this car either rarely use the back seats or otherwise have kids that are teenagers at most, also I guess the q3/q5 exist for people that want more practicality
In my configurator, a S5 starts at 104000 EUR... Insane.. How much the RS5 will be? From 170000 EUR? More than A8 ? wtf is wrong... And the towing ball is mechanical not electrical like in Skodas....
It's not just this Audi. They all look the same inside and out. No individuality and no practicality. Huge cars with little interior space for families, gloss black plastic, cost cutting everywhere, interior lights in with as much as colors as possible to look like a cheap brothel, screens and gimmicks which you gonna use once to your friends to brag and to show them where you money went with no true value to the customer for it's everyday use. More and more batteries, softwares that can be maintained and fixed only by Bil Gates himself and if anything goes wrong that is gonna cost you a kidney. They are disposable leasing, money grabbing metal /plastic boxes that are made to last until their poor waranty expires and dispose them after next redesing with 2 more interior colors included. Sad world we live in....
You said it all. It's the sad reality of the state of the car industry. Everything is becoming software based. A few years ago there was a big push for kids to learn coding. I guess this is the result of that push
bmw, mercedes and audi have mutually agreed that they all will do extreme costcutting and make their cars as cheaply as possible for the same retail price. there is no other explonation on why these cars suddenly look trash
Data & facts: Audi A5 / S5 (The Audi formerly known as A4) sedan/fastback & Avant Built in Neckarsulm Germany LED - Full LED - Matrix LED 4,83 m 190“ length (+7 cm 3“), that gain is all in wheelbase +8 cm 17“-20“ wheels (S5 19“-20“) base suspension, fixed -20 mm sport suspension (S-line and S5 standard) or optional -20 mm adaptive S suspension progressive steering standard Optional rear OLED with possible warnings for vehicles behind 12“ instruments 14,5“ infotainment Android Automotive 11“ passenger display optional optional HUD Electrochrome panoramic roof for both Seats fabric or Optional leatherette/animal Or dinamica/animal for sport seat Forms: normal seat or sport seat or sport seat plus trunk / boot 445 l - 1.300 l (480 l - 1425 l Avant) MHEV 420 l - 1.270 l (450 l - 1.400 l Avant) 2.0 TFSI 150 hp (9,8 s) FWD 204 hp FWD/AWD (7,8 s / 7,6 s) TDI and S5 MHEV 1,7 kWh gross LFP battery, recuperation up to 25 kW 2.0 TFSI PHEV 22 kWh 295/360 hp 2.0 TDI 204 hp FWD/AWD (7,7 s / 6,9 s) 3.0 V6 TFSI 367 hp AWD S5 4,5 s 0-100 km/h, sports differential rear All AWD = Quattro ultra, 100/0 front/rear when driving steady and little acceleration, during hard acceleration up to 30/70 front/rear distribution Engines Northern American market (sedan only) No MHEV A5 2.0 TFSI 268 hp 400 Nm quattro ultra Audi S5 3.0 TFSI 362 hp 550 Nm oldschool quattro 40:60 Towing 1,8 t / 1,9 t S5 Entry price 45.000 Euro Avant 47.000 Euro S5 Sedan 78.500 Euro S5 Avant 80.000 Euro A5 Avant test vehicle: 81.000 Euro Glacier White Line S5 Sedan test vehicle 89.000 Euro Ascari Blue Transparency note: Autogefühl videos are independent and free from editorial influence on opinion and rating. But since manufacturers enable us to do the reviews in the first place, for legal reasons this video is marked as _advertisement_.
Sadly, there is no avant in North America, but old school Quattro 40:60 for S5 is music to my ears. Would that be 8 speed with torque converter? Thomas, would this old school Quattro convince you to buy the new S5?
Golf 8 ditched the capacitive buttons and installed normal ones this year, then Audi comes with the exact same capacitive buttons as the initial Golf 8. Like bruh, you can't make this stuff up. That driver door panel is hideous and it hosts a lot of functions, it will take some time to get used to it. Otherwise, the car is nice, I like the look and the tech and the bump in performance. The pricing, however, is another story, it goes into Porsche territory really fast.
3 enemies of enthusiast drivers - fake exhaust, capacity buttons, piano black. They are 1/3 of a way there so maybe 2 generations from now they finally understand that everybody hates capacity bullshit and piano black which get scratched just from looking at it. They did such a good job with exterior but ruined this car with pointless screens, piano black, capacity buttons. For the love of god - don't they do the customer surveys?
Looks SOOOO cheap- I'm keeping my B9 thank you very much- interior looks like it was designed by ChatGPT too. Edit: someone(s) needs to be fired at Audi
This seems like a downgrade in every possible criteria. Its worse looking, no quicker, pointlessly complicated, awful interior. What are Audi playing at?
Doing a faux wood plastic instead of piano black would've added $10-20 to the bill of materials but nah gotta maximize profits am I right? - German automakers in 2024
Engines Northern American market (sedan only), slightly different: No MHEV A5 2.0 TFSI 268 hp 400 Nm quattro ultra Audi S5 3.0 TFSI 362 hp 550 Nm oldschool quattro 40:60
Lol the fact that you can hardly tell any difference between the A5 and S5 cracks me up. I mean they’ve never been so drastically different in appearance that it looked like a different car but it was enough to where it felt special and separated. I buy the S5 because I want others to know I made the choice to get the faster and better performing option. It is something you choose to do. What the hell was Audi thinking? I have a 2017 S5 and I think its the best generation.
Awful update - the front brake calipers look tiny? The whole car looks plasticy cheap! No front S5 badge? Wheels are too flat faced! And no more Torsen “real” Quattro? No thanks - a hard pass!
I think only thing what they managed to improve is the engine and gearbox (dual clutch is always better than boring 8 speed torque convertor) Everything else is awful.
It seems like the new A5/S5 has a lot of similar traits to the Acura TLX , similar AWD systems (sh-awd vs quattro ultra) and space utilization (large exterior, compromised passenger space). Will be interesting to see a comparison between the two when the A5/S5 comes out in the states.
nothing differentiates these German "luxury" cars from normal cars anymore. they all use cheap plastics, no designs, and just stick a random tablet in there.
Besides the Quattro Ultra, my comments: 1) Stupid capacitive volume adjustment on the steering wheel: why not classical slider? Or at least capacitive slider. Because now to reduce a lot the sound, you will need to click like crazy this one big button. 2) Too much gloss black. 3) The unit on the driver doors for lights, mirrors looks uncomfortable solution. 4) Agree on lack of diferentiation for the fron A5 S-Line and S5. They look the same. Great review Thomas :)
So as a 2021 s4 avant (the tdi 341ps one) owner, this is a car I expected a lot. To go back to petrol mostly. Between lot of capacitive elements, less rear room, less trunk room, loss of loved buttons, gloss black… Is it worth going another 90k… Well no. The positive élément are mostly about refinement which I could find in a used a6 for a fraction of this price. Especially in France there is like another 20k of taxes for co2 émission on it. Even on leasing. Well I hope mine can keep up another 8 year 😂
Q. Will Audi's new capacitive door handles be problematic on cold winter storm mornings? It's -30degC with snow/ice covering the car, I sweep the car of snow, then I must take off my gloves to try to open the car?
Only from the comments of these videos you can realize how disconnected the german car industry is from the people. They recently realized that they can sell less cars but more expensive... it's just so that the number of people who spend 90k for a car in europe is kinda limited... With 90k you're in the Model S Plaid territory...but that's 1000hp
I'm glad I bought my '24 S5 Sportback instead of waiting for the new model. Sadly, there are more negatives than positives with this redesign. Positives: I'll have to see the car in person, but the styling appears nice enough. I don't think Thomas mentioned this, but it looks like they finally offer ventilated seats on the top seat options (24:10). The cup holders are much better. I do like the fully framed windows on the doors as there is some body flex/creaking on my Sportback. Negatives: Putting most functions on the touch screen is a big miss - especially the climate controls. I don't care for the new shift lever nor the capacitive buttons on the steering wheel and door. The increased power output isn't worth the added complexity. Perhaps a minor detail, but they should not have removed the S5 badging from the front grill and front fenders.
The wheelbase grew quite a bit yet you have less legroom than in the predecessor A4 ? How is that possible ? But this is no exception, ALL new Audi's lack in knee room for some reason. The Q6 has less legroom than the Q4 and the new A6 etron has less legroom than the regular A6 for some reason despite being an EV.
As a B9 RS5 SB owner, this looks like a downgrade in the interior. I've been keeping an eye out for my next car and honestly I'm not finding anything in the latest generation that appeals to me. I would have hoped they upgraded the B&O sound system in the new generation, but it sounds like it is as lackluster as the B9/9.5 gen. If it wasn't for the fact that the more miles I put on it, the more expensive the repairs get, I would just keep this car.
Audi is tired. It shows with this model. Unimaginative, even though there's considerable effort into practicality (not always better, but effort). Merging the A4 and A5 into one model saves costs, serves 2 market segments (maybe 1.5 if there's overlap between A4 and A5 buyers) with 1 body. This is not a positive trend for Audi from a design point of view. May be a net positive in financials for lwering costs and consolidating manifacturing/re-use parts. But, we wait to see where BMW and Merc are going with their comparable models.
S5 in the Netherlands starting from 115k due to taxes 😓 Germany is much better in that respect. New rs3 with options is around 130k btw in Netherlands.
Piano black, fancy screens and capacitive buttons does not make a car. It is the technical parts and utility that makes it great. To me they ditch the a4 and a5 and are tring to copy the succes of skoda octavia as a general shape. yes it looks more expensive, more tech , but smaller. good decision? hard to say. sales volume will talk.
The decision to drop the coupe is a extremely poor call to make. There is now no coupes available across the entire Audi range forcing Audi coupe enthusiasts to spend their money elsewhere. Very disappointing decision.
AUDIs pricing policy is quite courageous. There is no affordable petrol quick runner. The 265 hp engine is out. And then the second affordable choice one is left with is the 2.0 200 hp diesel. One specs it and arrives at the price of a 6 cylinder diesel 3 series with the same equipment. Even the beemer is some 2k euro cheaper and comes with the electric roof in the price. One can't help but admire AUDIs bravery.
Hard pass on this, looks like a Ford Fusion. The outgoing generation is one of the best looking cars on the market. I’m a 2024 S5 owner, and when it’s no longer available its value will go through the roof.
Not that appealing to B9.5 version in terms of the outlook, frame doors and the grille, looking for other cars. Audi absolutely losing its grip in this class.
Everyone cries and says 'the previous model was better' on every single car that comes out, because humans don't like changes. Then in 6 months everyone comments on how amazing the new model is.
I like Audi for the body quality and detail solutions. Great review, thank you! Aless there are so many hard nos here, it makes me sad. - pricing not fitted to today's economy - still more touch controls while others move back to physical - no interior space while having a vast exterior - no rear bench release in the trunk - light designs showiness is teen manga
the new audi sedan interiors are so ugly - there just screens tacked on and edges everywhere. this and the new a3 interior looks absolutely terrible. so glad i have an old b9 a4 where at least there was just one screen sticking up in the middle and everything else was normal including lots of physical buttons.
I think I'm warming up to the B10. I was a bit weirded out with the way it looked in the studio but looked pretty good out here. Thanks for the full length reviews on both sedan and avant.
And VW wonder why they are about to close 3 manufacturing plants in Germany and destroy 10k jobs. This car is why. Every car the last 5 years is why. Green deal is why.
The speaker in head rest was my favorite feature! That’s where your turn by turn navigation voice will come from and the passenger hardly hear anything. The AC controls digitally placed is incredible and always on the same position. As for size, he is too tall to fit in any car. Car is incredible and I’m very impressed and exited to see it . His trick question in distinguishing the S A5 vs S5? They are meant to look the same, I actually like what they did with the badge only in the back.
I really don't understand why I should see the road marking on the dashboard when I can see it myself?! Ok, I understand that they want to show off their technology, but I would rather prefer to have a beautiful tachometer and speedo reader
first thing todo after buy: Cover up middle console piano black with alcantara and put on a S5 batch at the front for a couple of bucks. Then this thing ist a gem.
41:30 Natural delay in the throttle? Audi's drive by wire programming is horrid in the B9 S4 and all of that generation Audi cars are the same. The delay does NOT feel natural. The throttle is not linear, you either get a big boost of acceleration or nothing. sometimes you get nothing when adding gradually more throttle, then all of a sudden it shoots forward. its no turbo lag, its throttle delay. a natural throttle programming will perfectly emulate that of a cable actuated throttle body.
This appears to have a higher quality than the more recent BMW models (5-series, X3). Still, the interior is no longer classy and upscale, and comes across as a dreary dystopian nightmare. And good lord, the copious amounts of piano black. I’m glad that Marc Lichte is no longer designing cars for Audi.
The rear space in this Audi is a joke - it appears to be smaller than in cars from much smaller classes. The front seats seem to be extremely bulky and massive. The central tunnel makes the middle seat in the back almost unusable. Horrible use of space.
When i was a kid in 90ies we ware making so called "Knight rider" circutes in tehnical class in primary school. LEDs ware moving left and right like on that famous car in the series. 40yrs later, Audi is selling this as hi-tech.
Audi A7 will be next model in terms of size. Ain't no one buying A7 everyday. A5 is too small for 90% of drivers and passengers. Not that they can't fit in, but the feel for a vehicle like A5 is far from expectation.
Longer car, but less rear legroom. Does that mean at least there's bigger boot? NO! 420l is now the norm in sub-compact crossovers and the Golf is also close (380l). What the fudge, Audi?? I'd take the Octavia RS + a small electric car for intown driving, instead of this A5. Or just buy a used (1-2 yr. old) A5, if I'd really care about looks and badges that much.
I guess I’ll wait to sit in one of these in the showroom but compared to my b9 a4 allroad these things look like trash on the interior. Just absolute lack of distinct quality and feel in the switchgear. All the capacitive buttons are a non starter for me.
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This is our in-depth review of the all-new A5 as Audi S5 sedan. We're taking a look at Exterior, Interior and the driving experience.
00:00 Audi S5 Sedan
02:40 A5 Sedan, Sportback, Avant
04:49 quattro ultra AWD
08:26 Engines and sound
10:41 Suspension and badge
12:26 OLED
13:55 Fake exhausts?
15:55 Audi A5 S-line
17:02 Interior quality
19:23 Seats and comfort
20:47 Cockpit
23:20 Driver perspective
24:52 B n O sound system
25:38 Rear seats
28:23 Trunk / boot
31:42 Acceleration tests
32:37 Steering and suspension
38:20 City driving and MHEV
40:45 Agile driving and fun
46:09 Pricing
47:15 Would I buy one?
#Audi #AudiA5
Same mistakes doing all time piano gloss cheap button click one moved all in the door what point buying S5 not carbon fiber inside pay 80-89k EU for that nah does not works that way they no care about costumers not Audi not all Germany they never care about costumers but you open mouth for china or Chinese EV much better EV do quality BYD zeekr xpeng they are tops and they are care about costumers and criticism because they listen them but here Germany how many you make video said about fake exhaust they never fix or change and never go listen that different from china and now Sean lion 7 beat all them in market and DZ9 gt zeekr x7 xpeng p7+ top design style unique and now zeekr mix new model mini MVP be best of the best beat all them nobody touch geely most rich company in china and top of tops high rank company in the world geely
The whole modern car market (for normal people) is broken. Endless design "features" and systems that no one wants, all forced on us whilst being charged extortionate prices.
Yep, "you will own nothing"
Just because YOU don't want them, doesn't mean that no one else wants them either.
You should get a dacia then
@@slapshot0074 Totally agree with you! I tried recently the latest 3 series (330i). Besides the fact that the hybrid is an overweighted disgrace to the 3 series heritage, the usability of the infotainment is a long list of unnecessary extra steps and chores. Everything the older generation was doing, the newer one requires extra 2-3 steps.
@@N1ckZ How many people actually wants a giant screen for passenger?
We need the "Piano" black police similar to the Fake exhaust police!
@@BaaLaaN I have always thought who buys this piano black. It's just terrible all those scratches and fingerprints.
@@logtec1162 😁 Even matt black would be better
Audi interiors used to be some of the best in the world. Now... capacitive buttons, piano black and a boring screen as a dashboard? Cheap, cheap, cheap.
The exterior is very, very bland.
Another example of manufacturers dictating what we should buy.
No more coupe.
A huge NO for me.
I found an independent mechanic to work on my 2-door, manual A5, and will not set foot in another Audi dealership after they also refused warranty work on my car.
Also, this car is so overpriced. It's painful to watch Tesla model 3 performance is 10 times more fun and looks better also.
The manufacturer doesn't dictate you what to buy. THere's a thing called vote with your wallet. If they are so shitty no one will buy them. But I doubt that will actually happen. And don't act on the internet like you were on the verge of buying the new audi model lol. Somehow all comments in car reviews act like they were just gonna buy these 50K+ cars tomorrow
@@GrandSil90 my A5 is 8 years old, so I'm in the market. But you're absolutely right, I am voting with my wallet, and keeping my manual, with analog buttons and gauges, 2-door coupe, and not buying a new car until manufacturers come back to proper car making.
@@MichelBertrand also they made the car bigger, but it's smaller inside. Also Old car looks better.
As a former owner of a B9 S5, I totally agree with you. I don’t have any interest in the B10.
Literally no one asked for more gloss black, The interior is a downgrade from las gen. What shame.
It's not, but ok. Keep crying.
I agree with you @MrLalasd
@@N1ckZ NPC
I did, i like it.
This way the 1st owner won t be able to.sell.the car at a good.price. Also.he will.hate it.after a few months,.so needs to buy a new one😅
The piano black plastic ruined the interior once again
They're all doing the same. I guess the only way to save it, is by applying some PPF 🤣
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Buy it with a different trim…..?
Audi has gotten so good at alienating customers. I’m impressed!
Agree!
The Škoda Superb comment was spot on. It actually has better interior design, quality, much more space on the rear seats and better user interface with physical dials 🤷♂️
What happened with you Audi? 😢
Cars are made by accounts now, not engineers
No car company ever stays the same. It’s ups and downs. What do you expect? B8 and B9 generations of Audi were the best
“Woke” management maybe going down like BMW “woke”
I drive a new Skoda Octavia from 2024. If the Skoda Superb has the same infotainment system, then you will have more problems with it than with the Audi (we also drive an Audi as our second car). The rest with the physical dials which are missing in the Audi and too much touchscreen is correct.
@@alxdava2004 Easy There. As an accountant - I hate everything you guys all do.
I don’t hear any car journalists praising any new generation of car as they used to. You don’t hear “better looking” “better built” “more exciting” at all anymore. Sad times, sad cars
Yes its an achievement when the new gen is not that much worse looking than the previous gen. I hope the German brands shape up, because now it looks like Germany is in a cultural decline - no new ideas just screens and gloss black plastic.
You're wrong; the Korean and Japanese marques have done great stuff recently. Not every car is an overpriced German
@@whatwelearned true, all the new Hondas got a lot of praise
The interior is a complete disaster jesus christ
Not as nice as the previous gen, but still much better than BMW and Mercedes
I completely agree with your comments regarding rear seat legroom….it really needs to be prioritized over something like luggage capacity. It’s shocking how many modern large four door sedans have abysmal back seat space.
My tinfoil hat theory is that they purposely do this as part of their "price ladder" strategy to push people to by their mid-sized sedans (ex: E class, A7, 5 series) which have fatter margins. Just a theory though.
I think most people that buy this car either rarely use the back seats or otherwise have kids that are teenagers at most, also I guess the q3/q5 exist for people that want more practicality
Nowadays people with sedans don’t even use rear seats
I think most times these cars are only occupied with 1-2 people
90k what a joke.
When the new model honeymoon period wears off there will almost certainly be 15-20k Euro discounts
@@ph8077just wait 3 years those would go for 35 mark this comment
Give it 2 years.. gonna loose 60% of its value
Plz explain, why Audi killed all coupe models and went full family/taxi 😑
I’m going to buy the RS5 model when it releases or the RS7
Idiotically expensive.
100 percent. In another video Thomas mentioned the 200 HP version with some options reached 80k euros. Is Audi retarded?
In my configurator, a S5 starts at 104000 EUR... Insane.. How much the RS5 will be? From 170000 EUR? More than A8 ? wtf is wrong... And the towing ball is mechanical not electrical like in Skodas....
It's not just this Audi. They all look the same inside and out. No individuality and no practicality. Huge cars with little interior space for families, gloss black plastic, cost cutting everywhere, interior lights in with as much as colors as possible to look like a cheap brothel, screens and gimmicks which you gonna use once to your friends to brag and to show them where you money went with no true value to the customer for it's everyday use. More and more batteries, softwares that can be maintained and fixed only by Bil Gates himself and if anything goes wrong that is gonna cost you a kidney. They are disposable leasing, money grabbing metal /plastic boxes that are made to last until their poor waranty expires and dispose them after next redesing with 2 more interior colors included. Sad world we live in....
Haha damn you snapped, i totally agree.
Couldn't agree more. The same applies to pretty much everything, from clothes to food. The quality of everything is decreasing
@pragadoegito Yes, and the real kicker is the quality is in the floor and the prices are through the roof.
110% agree..
You said it all. It's the sad reality of the state of the car industry. Everything is becoming software based. A few years ago there was a big push for kids to learn coding. I guess this is the result of that push
we need the anti gloss police to fight agaist the high gloss trims in car interiors
haha yes!
bmw, mercedes and audi have mutually agreed that they all will do extreme costcutting and make their cars as cheaply as possible for the same retail price. there is no other explonation on why these cars suddenly look trash
Piano black in the most touched area is such a stupid design choice.
Data & facts:
Audi A5 / S5 (The Audi formerly known as A4)
sedan/fastback & Avant
Built in Neckarsulm Germany
LED - Full LED - Matrix LED
4,83 m 190“ length (+7 cm 3“), that gain is all in wheelbase +8 cm
17“-20“ wheels (S5 19“-20“)
base suspension, fixed -20 mm sport suspension (S-line and S5 standard) or optional -20 mm adaptive S suspension
progressive steering standard
Optional rear OLED with possible warnings for vehicles behind
12“ instruments
14,5“ infotainment Android Automotive
11“ passenger display optional
optional HUD
Electrochrome panoramic roof for both
Seats fabric or
Optional leatherette/animal
Or dinamica/animal for sport seat
Forms: normal seat or sport seat or sport seat plus
trunk / boot
445 l - 1.300 l (480 l - 1425 l Avant)
MHEV
420 l - 1.270 l (450 l - 1.400 l Avant)
2.0 TFSI 150 hp (9,8 s) FWD 204 hp FWD/AWD (7,8 s / 7,6 s)
TDI and S5 MHEV 1,7 kWh gross LFP battery, recuperation up to 25 kW
2.0 TFSI PHEV 22 kWh 295/360 hp
2.0 TDI 204 hp FWD/AWD (7,7 s / 6,9 s)
3.0 V6 TFSI 367 hp AWD S5 4,5 s 0-100 km/h, sports differential rear
All AWD = Quattro ultra, 100/0 front/rear when driving steady and little acceleration, during hard acceleration up to 30/70 front/rear distribution
Engines Northern American market (sedan only)
No MHEV
A5 2.0 TFSI 268 hp 400 Nm quattro ultra
Audi S5 3.0 TFSI 362 hp 550 Nm oldschool quattro 40:60
Towing 1,8 t / 1,9 t S5
Entry price 45.000 Euro
Avant 47.000 Euro
S5 Sedan 78.500 Euro
S5 Avant 80.000 Euro
A5 Avant test vehicle: 81.000 Euro
Glacier White Line
S5 Sedan test vehicle 89.000 Euro
Ascari Blue
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Sadly, there is no avant in North America, but old school Quattro 40:60 for S5 is music to my ears. Would that be 8 speed with torque converter? Thomas, would this old school Quattro convince you to buy the new S5?
Golf 8 ditched the capacitive buttons and installed normal ones this year, then Audi comes with the exact same capacitive buttons as the initial Golf 8. Like bruh, you can't make this stuff up. That driver door panel is hideous and it hosts a lot of functions, it will take some time to get used to it. Otherwise, the car is nice, I like the look and the tech and the bump in performance. The pricing, however, is another story, it goes into Porsche territory really fast.
3 enemies of enthusiast drivers - fake exhaust, capacity buttons, piano black. They are 1/3 of a way there so maybe 2 generations from now they finally understand that everybody hates capacity bullshit and piano black which get scratched just from looking at it. They did such a good job with exterior but ruined this car with pointless screens, piano black, capacity buttons. For the love of god - don't they do the customer surveys?
Oh they absolutely do, it's just that the survey results say that people want massive beautiful screens.
Exterior looks like Hyundai, kia or something generic
@@N1ckZThere is no such survey, but such infotainment screens arw cheaper, that's all there is.
Looks SOOOO cheap- I'm keeping my B9 thank you very much- interior looks like it was designed by ChatGPT too.
Edit: someone(s) needs to be fired at Audi
I hate the big button on the door that is basically a lot of buttons. Looks really cheap and lazy.
The executives at Audi should be fired. How can you take something so great as A5 and just ruin it completely.
This seems like a downgrade in every possible criteria. Its worse looking, no quicker, pointlessly complicated, awful interior. What are Audi playing at?
As Germany is loosing it's identity.. so are their cars.
sad but true!
Dear god Audi. Looks like you hired a Subaru designer 😬
pls don't humiliate subaru.
This why the new CEO replaced the Chief Designer...this was his last car...
Doing a faux wood plastic instead of piano black would've added $10-20 to the bill of materials but nah gotta maximize profits am I right? - German automakers in 2024
Engines Northern American market (sedan only), slightly different:
No MHEV
A5 2.0 TFSI 268 hp 400 Nm quattro ultra
Audi S5 3.0 TFSI 362 hp 550 Nm oldschool quattro 40:60
I hate the removal of physical buttons, especially they took away those for climate controls.
Piano black, no s badge in the Front, s badge for regular models. Audi is completely destroying their Identity
Lol the fact that you can hardly tell any difference between the A5 and S5 cracks me up. I mean they’ve never been so drastically different in appearance that it looked like a different car but it was enough to where it felt special and separated. I buy the S5 because I want others to know I made the choice to get the faster and better performing option. It is something you choose to do. What the hell was Audi thinking? I have a 2017 S5 and I think its the best generation.
They've always looked the same.
The interior on the new Audis 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
Your opinion 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
All three, BMW and the Merc too has the same problem...
Go buy a Kia
@@seyosabovic472Kia interiors are now designed by the old Audi designer 😂 that’s why they are popular now
@@elchucapablas hahahahhah
Awful update - the front brake calipers look tiny? The whole car looks plasticy cheap! No front S5 badge? Wheels are too flat faced! And no more Torsen “real” Quattro? No thanks - a hard pass!
I think only thing what they managed to improve is the engine and gearbox (dual clutch is always better than boring 8 speed torque convertor) Everything else is awful.
It kept Torsen Quattro. And it even includes sport diff standard
@@logtec1162I have a 2018 S5 SB and the 8 speed is actually quite good: very fast shifts in manual mode and it's very smooth!
@@Brawler_Johnny
Not true. It has a clutch pack instead of a Torsen center differential.
The legend says the current a4 and a5 abruptly gained value after this launch.
Audi has lost its course. Audi is the new VW and Porsche is the new Audi. 😢😢😢😢
Good thing they integrated dashboard in the screen 😅
the gear selector.... wtf
It seems like the new A5/S5 has a lot of similar traits to the Acura TLX , similar AWD systems (sh-awd vs quattro ultra) and space utilization (large exterior, compromised passenger space). Will be interesting to see a comparison between the two when the A5/S5 comes out in the states.
nothing differentiates these German "luxury" cars from normal cars anymore. they all use cheap plastics, no designs, and just stick a random tablet in there.
For me 2018-2020
Was the best era for bmw and Audi modern not too large and looked much better
Besides the Quattro Ultra, my comments:
1) Stupid capacitive volume adjustment on the steering wheel: why not classical slider? Or at least capacitive slider. Because now to reduce a lot the sound, you will need to click like crazy this one big button.
2) Too much gloss black.
3) The unit on the driver doors for lights, mirrors looks uncomfortable solution.
4) Agree on lack of diferentiation for the fron A5 S-Line and S5. They look the same.
Great review Thomas :)
The German brands are really struggling lately.
So as a 2021 s4 avant (the tdi 341ps one) owner, this is a car I expected a lot. To go back to petrol mostly.
Between lot of capacitive elements, less rear room, less trunk room, loss of loved buttons, gloss black… Is it worth going another 90k… Well no. The positive élément are mostly about refinement which I could find in a used a6 for a fraction of this price.
Especially in France there is like another 20k of taxes for co2 émission on it. Even on leasing.
Well I hope mine can keep up another 8 year 😂
2:39 I see a BWM.. no wait.. A Mercedes.. no wait.. you see? There is a BIG problem with this design.. it is NOT AUDI.
Q. Will Audi's new capacitive door handles be problematic on cold winter storm mornings? It's -30degC with snow/ice covering the car, I sweep the car of snow, then I must take off my gloves to try to open the car?
Only from the comments of these videos you can realize how disconnected the german car industry is from the people. They recently realized that they can sell less cars but more expensive... it's just so that the number of people who spend 90k for a car in europe is kinda limited... With 90k you're in the Model S Plaid territory...but that's 1000hp
I'm glad I bought my '24 S5 Sportback instead of waiting for the new model. Sadly, there are more negatives than positives with this redesign.
Positives: I'll have to see the car in person, but the styling appears nice enough. I don't think Thomas mentioned this, but it looks like they finally offer ventilated seats on the top seat options (24:10). The cup holders are much better. I do like the fully framed windows on the doors as there is some body flex/creaking on my Sportback.
Negatives: Putting most functions on the touch screen is a big miss - especially the climate controls. I don't care for the new shift lever nor the capacitive buttons on the steering wheel and door. The increased power output isn't worth the added complexity. Perhaps a minor detail, but they should not have removed the S5 badging from the front grill and front fenders.
The wheelbase grew quite a bit yet you have less legroom than in the predecessor A4 ?
How is that possible ?
But this is no exception, ALL new Audi's lack in knee room for some reason.
The Q6 has less legroom than the Q4 and the new A6 etron has less legroom than the regular A6 for some reason despite being an EV.
No more map on Virtual cockpit. Come on, that was your thing Audi.
I have a 2023 A4 and there's nothing with this new model that makes me want to change to one.
Audi killed the Quattro Star.
The rear light bar looks terrible. Door handles are terrible, too. Capacitive nonsense has taken over tactile feel and solidity.
Look up the rear of a Toyota Avalon
As a B9 RS5 SB owner, this looks like a downgrade in the interior. I've been keeping an eye out for my next car and honestly I'm not finding anything in the latest generation that appeals to me. I would have hoped they upgraded the B&O sound system in the new generation, but it sounds like it is as lackluster as the B9/9.5 gen. If it wasn't for the fact that the more miles I put on it, the more expensive the repairs get, I would just keep this car.
Audi is tired. It shows with this model. Unimaginative, even though there's considerable effort into practicality (not always better, but effort). Merging the A4 and A5 into one model saves costs, serves 2 market segments (maybe 1.5 if there's overlap between A4 and A5 buyers) with 1 body. This is not a positive trend for Audi from a design point of view. May be a net positive in financials for lwering costs and consolidating manifacturing/re-use parts. But, we wait to see where BMW and Merc are going with their comparable models.
They just merged their prices together….
The trend of making room in the range for more SUVs continues
S5 in the Netherlands starting from 115k due to taxes 😓 Germany is much better in that respect. New rs3 with options is around 130k btw in Netherlands.
I wonder what the cars of today would look like if engineers got to create it rather than marketing and finance
You can drag the temperature on the screen without continuously tapping it. Seemed fairly intuitive! but i do miss the old knobs and buttons
What the hell is a single piston floating caliper doing on an S model??? Even the A series has 4 piston monoblock calipers before
just more cost cutting
It has dual pistons. But the braking force should be around the same and there is hybrid system.
@@dnc3861The front caliper is TINY compared to me B9 S5. It looks super cheap!
@@joneill63 yeah it is smaller. Not so nice.
@@dnc3861 single or dual same thing, it’s a floating caliper. Cheap.
Edit: just confirmed it is in fact a SINGLE piston and single piece rotor.
Excellent review as usual. Maybe they'll give you the front S badge on a monthly subscription??? I'm afraid I'm a bit underwhelmed overall.
i still don't get why audi went with that new logo design, it just looks so cheap, it looks like a bad knock off
USA models skip the hybrid part on the s5. All S5 have the 60/40 split awd and not ultra. Only the a5 has ultra awd
Piano black, fancy screens and capacitive buttons does not make a car. It is the technical parts and utility that makes it great. To me they ditch the a4 and a5 and are tring to copy the succes of skoda octavia as a general shape. yes it looks more expensive, more tech , but smaller. good decision? hard to say. sales volume will talk.
No ex A4 buyer will buy this model and no ex A5 buyer (including me) will buy this model. Absolute disaster for Audi...
The decision to drop the coupe is a extremely poor call to make. There is now no coupes available across the entire Audi range forcing Audi coupe enthusiasts to spend their money elsewhere. Very disappointing decision.
That door slam sound at 19:20 reminds me of my Duster
Who cares, really?
@@nunogloop3386I do.
It does!
So so glad I got my B9 S4, physical buttons and knobs. Just not impressed Audi’s design direction currently
an honest and truthful Review. You hit the nail on the head with your criticisms and compliments. Thank you.. keep up the good work.
AUDIs pricing policy is quite courageous. There is no affordable petrol quick runner. The 265 hp engine is out. And then the second affordable choice one is left with is the 2.0 200 hp diesel. One specs it and arrives at the price of a 6 cylinder diesel 3 series with the same equipment. Even the beemer is some 2k euro cheaper and comes with the electric roof in the price. One can't help but admire AUDIs bravery.
Glad I ordered the A5 Sportback half a year ago, before the new generation came out.
The redundancy of the screens made the car look cheaper. Would be okay if screens were in the main info and drivers only.
No temperature control for the rear-seat passengers? In my 2017 A4, you can control the temps as well as the blower speed.
Hard pass on this, looks like a Ford Fusion. The outgoing generation is one of the best looking cars on the market. I’m a 2024 S5 owner, and when it’s no longer available its value will go through the roof.
Not that appealing to B9.5 version in terms of the outlook, frame doors and the grille, looking for other cars. Audi absolutely losing its grip in this class.
previous a5 was way better
This is why I got a '24. I'm taking good care of it and going to keep it forever if Audi is going to start making ugly cars now.
Everyone cries and says 'the previous model was better' on every single car that comes out, because humans don't like changes. Then in 6 months everyone comments on how amazing the new model is.
@@N1ckZ not always...look at the bmw...people still hate some models because of the looks
@@N1ckZThat’s so true.
@@ramses8847people thought the B9.5 was hideous.
I like Audi for the body quality and detail solutions. Great review, thank you!
Aless there are so many hard nos here, it makes me sad.
- pricing not fitted to today's economy
- still more touch controls while others move back to physical
- no interior space while having a vast exterior
- no rear bench release in the trunk
- light designs showiness is teen manga
the new audi sedan interiors are so ugly - there just screens tacked on and edges everywhere. this and the new a3 interior looks absolutely terrible. so glad i have an old b9 a4 where at least there was just one screen sticking up in the middle and everything else was normal including lots of physical buttons.
I think I'm warming up to the B10. I was a bit weirded out with the way it looked in the studio but looked pretty good out here. Thanks for the full length reviews on both sedan and avant.
I own a 22 S5 and have zero interest in this new generation. Pass.
the shape of rear tail lights look just like chinese cars 😂😂😂
And VW wonder why they are about to close 3 manufacturing plants in Germany and destroy 10k jobs. This car is why. Every car the last 5 years is why. Green deal is why.
The speaker in head rest was my favorite feature! That’s where your turn by turn navigation voice will come from and the passenger hardly hear anything.
The AC controls digitally placed is incredible and always on the same position.
As for size, he is too tall to fit in any car.
Car is incredible and I’m very impressed and exited to see it .
His trick question in distinguishing the S A5 vs S5? They are meant to look the same, I actually like what they did with the badge only in the back.
Thanks for an excellent review, Thomas )
I really don't understand why I should see the road marking on the dashboard when I can see it myself?! Ok, I understand that they want to show off their technology, but I would rather prefer to have a beautiful tachometer and speedo reader
what the hell is going on with new car prices in EU? It's like +50% minimum increase since 2020 and it doesn't stop.
Interesting that wheel size is still expressed in inches, even in metric markets
first thing todo after buy: Cover up middle console piano black with alcantara and put on a S5 batch at the front for a couple of bucks. Then this thing ist a gem.
41:30 Natural delay in the throttle? Audi's drive by wire programming is horrid in the B9 S4 and all of that generation Audi cars are the same. The delay does NOT feel natural. The throttle is not linear, you either get a big boost of acceleration or nothing. sometimes you get nothing when adding gradually more throttle, then all of a sudden it shoots forward. its no turbo lag, its throttle delay. a natural throttle programming will perfectly emulate that of a cable actuated throttle body.
Side profile is mesmerizing. So clean
The B10 S5 DOES NOT have Quattro Ultra. It's the same torsen system as before.
It is quite visible a downgrade, both compared to the 1st gen A5 Sportback and the 2nd, sadly
This appears to have a higher quality than the more recent BMW models (5-series, X3). Still, the interior is no longer classy and upscale, and comes across as a dreary dystopian nightmare. And good lord, the copious amounts of piano black.
I’m glad that Marc Lichte is no longer designing cars for Audi.
Audi's insistence on FWD platforms makes no sense given the market segment they compete in.
The rear space in this Audi is a joke - it appears to be smaller than in cars from much smaller classes. The front seats seem to be extremely bulky and massive. The central tunnel makes the middle seat in the back almost unusable. Horrible use of space.
Slowly but surely we are moving towards rectangular steering wheel;-).
When i was a kid in 90ies we ware making so called "Knight rider" circutes in tehnical class in primary school. LEDs ware moving left and right like on that famous car in the series. 40yrs later, Audi is selling this as hi-tech.
Audi A7 will be next model in terms of size. Ain't no one buying A7 everyday. A5 is too small for 90% of drivers and passengers. Not that they can't fit in, but the feel for a vehicle like A5 is far from expectation.
A5 was one of the best looking cars ... now it's just meh , how sad
Longer car, but less rear legroom. Does that mean at least there's bigger boot? NO! 420l is now the norm in sub-compact crossovers and the Golf is also close (380l). What the fudge, Audi??
I'd take the Octavia RS + a small electric car for intown driving, instead of this A5. Or just buy a used (1-2 yr. old) A5, if I'd really care about looks and badges that much.
I guess I’ll wait to sit in one of these in the showroom but compared to my b9 a4 allroad these things look like trash on the interior. Just absolute lack of distinct quality and feel in the switchgear. All the capacitive buttons are a non starter for me.
I’m glad Audi and Mercedes are still making good looking cars
Why is Audi unable to build a car where rear passengers fit?