SHERMAN L- have we reached Peak EUC??
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- The Veteran Sherman L is bigger, faster, more powerful and expensive than any prior electric unicycle. But I think its also one of the least exciting wheel Leaperkim has released in recent years. This week, lets talk about the strange state of EUC new wheel releases!
Episode 149- Sherman L preview
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Did you heard about Inmotion V18?
Long Range wheels should come with a seat that can be fitted or removed as required. Additionally that seat should accomodate a charger if required. Certainly to be able to change a tube in the wild, easy wheel removal. IP rated of course, smart BMS, adjustable pedals for camber and height, good lights, good trolly handle, effective stand. Flat sides so pads can be anything required. When these things cost what they cost, would it be too much to ask for some merch, stickers, patch, branded cap, anything. Last but not least we break things - we want wheels to be manufacturer supported for years, long after they have been superceded by new models.
Wheels need to be tubeless for now on
@@mazx19 Not sure about that, the way these things ride is so dependant on the tyre choice.
yeah, those are great suggestions! I think the EUC companies really should be more considerate of what riders actually need on rides.
thats a great idea about charger and seat, as long as it's easily removable, height adjusted pedals as well
all high end EUC's have available seats.
$ 5,000 and doesn't come with a seat. I've never thought about that, but to be honest it's kind of f...up 😂
as i occasionally do 100km + rides, the Lynx was missing just a bit of range so i was using my Sherman-S, the New Sherman-L will fill that gap perfectly !
I was a bit disappointed too. We now have a wide selection of big, heavy, high-performance EUCs, but my dream wheel remains the OG Sherman. I'd love to see it in the same form factor, but with better waterproofing, a smart BMS, and a 2-inch suspension in the frame to absorb urban impacts. I'd even be willing to sacrifice 500Wh of battery capacity to keep it the same size.
You described my dream too perfectly! Have you thought about sending that message to Leaperkim with signatures support? 😊
@@coolatta75 I have yes, no reply though.
Honestly, I have had the OG Sherman and the now the Sherman S .. I don't need faster, or more range, or more suspension.. I'm fine driving the sherm s until it falls apart. It's pretty much all I would ever want out of an euc.
no need to upgrade every year.
I have a V12 and have been trying to decide which wheel to upgrade to, essentially swaying between the Lynx and the Sherman S. Now with the Sherman L I can get everything I want from both, and plan on keeping it as long as possible.
I'm sure there will be something that comes up in the future that will be interesting, but the L looks like a great wheel for folks like me who are looking for an upgrade from mid tier wheels.
@@c4ristopher absolutely, if I had to get a new wheel now, I'd go for the Sherman L.
@@drbytes68 Money wise i would go for the Lynx .I bought the Patton before the Lynx was announced ,and the
extra amount the Lynx cost is very tempting . if i had not bought the Patton i would go for the Lynx .
The L cost SO much more than the Lynx compared to the difference between the Patton and the Lynx ,though
i am very pleased with the Patton ,very nice wheel :-)
How is the Used EUC market going? The existence of it will give new customers peace of mind that these have at least some life quality and are resellable.
I feel like everyone is giving the Sherman L the meh award on innovation, but the added safety of the IT STAYS UPRIGHT WITHOUT A HALL SENSOR is HUGGGEEEEEEE!!! No one else has done this or bothered to figure it out. While cutouts aren't as common these days, anything that improves safety is a big deal in my book. Getting dumped at the speeds that EUC's go these days is no small thing...especially for older riders who aren't going to tumble across 100 feet of pavement and then jump back up.
I've been riding a V12 for a while now. It was a great choice for a first wheel, and will still fill a niche, but I'm itching to upgrade.
I've been saving up for a Lynx, but I think I'll go with the L when I'm ready. I'm looking forward to more reviews though.
Thanks for what you do here, I always enjoy your videos. I can't believe that you are able to focus on your script so well while riding in traffic and avoiding pedestrians. Nice editing too!
It's a great format, interesting script flawlessly delivered in an engaging environment.
Nice work!
I'm in the same boat. I love the V12, but was torn between the S and the Lynx, so I waited hoping the L would be released. So far the reviews all look good, but I think I'd like to wait until late this year just in case there are any tweaks that need to get worked out.
Bro that wheel will roll without hall sensors. That is the biggest leap in tech EUCs have ever seen. How did you miss this.
I think, for the street rider, this does represent the penicle. Now, if Leaperkim can iterate it and get the weight back down to 90ish pounds (advancements in battery power density). Hopefully, Leaperkim will forgo the usual corporate cost reduction activities that reduce product quality. I still think a Lynx with quick attach, range extending, auxiliary batteries would be better than letting the wheel's base weight be 100+lbs.
Are you thinking of switching the Patton for the lynx??
@@Vince4343 Hi Vincent, looks like you're having fun on your Patton this summer.
No, I really like what I'm seeing in both the Lynx and the new Sherman L but my riding just doesn't need anything that they offer except the safer battery management. I would like to have the larger tire but only for the additional aftermarket tire choices. I've got 1400+ trouble free miles in mine now, the tire still looks great. I'm getting better and better at mounting so my mounts don't look so embarrassing now. Never say never, but I have no plans to upgrade.
Agreed. Begode MasterPro V3 has had 4.8kWh for many months. Long-range/big-people need more battery. It can be 120mi (200km) between hotels/charging opportunities in the Western US. 300lb riders need a lot more than 5kWh just to get from charging station to charging station. A 6-8 Amp charger integrated into a seat that clips securely onto EUC could be on the list. Noticing the lengthening stand(s); some cargo capacity (front and back) for long distance travel would be nice. Bike-packing is all the rage now. DJI just made an electric bike. EUC's are perfect for the market-space. EUC-camping/packing. Tubeless-tires goes without saying. One assumes the 7.2kWh, $7k tax-incentive will soon disappear, but it's the correct Whrs for the market.
Range - Sherman L:
I think people are being misled by Marty's "range test." Marty is not trying to deceive anyone. Marty is riding the way Marty rides, and it is great that Marty does that. We all should ride in a way that best suits us. The first rule of driving any vehicle is to "not" drive faster than you feel is safe or comfortable.
Having said that:
Marty's range test shows he is at 63.11-miles, with an average speed of 18.5-mph, and a ride time of 3-hours, 35-minutes, and 19-seconds.
... That is not special ... I am certain my Sherman-S can deliver that same performance if I could get myself to maintain that same slow travel speed and time.
For $5K I want a wheel that significantly outperforms my Sherman-S in both range and speed.
As riders, we need to be looking at "Amp-Hours." Watt-Hours divided by Volts equals Amp-Hours.
Sherman-S: 3600-Watt-Hours divided by 100-Volts equals 36-Amp-Hours
Master-Pro: 4800-Watt-Hours divided by 134-Volts equals 35.8-Amp-Hours
Sherman-L: 4000-Watt-Hours divided by 151-Volts equals 26.5-Amp-Hours
Lynx: 2700-Watt-Hours divided by 151-Volts equals 17.8-Amp-Hours
Patton: 2200-Watt-Hours divided by 126-Volts equals 17.5-Amp-Hours
The 4000-Watt-Hour battery pack on the Sherman-L at 100-volts would give us a 40-Amp-Hour machine that would outrange all other wheels and still provide 40+mph speed performance.
That is the wheel I am looking to buy in the future.
What good are Amp-hours in real life without looking at the voltage? That is an utterly useless number. Watt-hours, the efficiency of the motor, rolling resistance and wind resistance/speed determine the range.
@@BlackTalon53 agreed, amp-hours x voltage = watt-hours. Or just go the other way around but they are both the same numbers.
Been waiting for your take!
Speed demon here...
For me personally the current wheels are still to slow with to small battery packs to keep the fun for a longer time.
Master pro is good for me just 60 miles till 0%. Fun factor is at only first 13 miles then the power output is to low
We already sort of touched the peak of what is reasonably possible on the platform, speed wise, last year with the EX30.
At least for 95-98% of people, short of a handful of speed demons and even then, only for short periods.
We are reaching diminishing return.
My take is that we'll see incremental improvements in regard to features instead of performance, right until there is a dramatic improvement of battery technology.
Long story short, we are past the stage of what happened to smartphones in 2016.
There's a whole world of possibilities if you think of gears. A cvt like the enviolo hub. That's a cvt. In 10 years from now we'll look back and laugh about the bricks we were riding.
@@bobdebouwer7835 it might be so, but keep in mind that because we only have one small point of contact with the ground, a slight shift in position, wind gusts, etc. At 100kmh/60mph, will have consequences that can lead to a crash.
Hell, at this kind of speed, merely breaking just a hint too hard can lead to Oscillations, followed by a almost instant lost of control.
In real conditions, we are nearing what can be relatively safely done.
@@mattca353 ah yes you were talking speed wise. Totally agree that we reached peak for now.
But I do hope to see less weight and more torque from the start.
Time to build a trailer hitch for EUC so I can road trip it!
Great update 👍
The next evolution will be the battery, than motors and controllers.
Cheers
It would be awesome to be able to hot swap batteries, but not just 4, like most Wheels have. How about 8, so folks can reduce weight when the extra range isnt needed? Quick 10 mile rides dont need 60 miles of range. It would also have the benefit of lowering the center of gravity if someone could take off battery modules that are higher up. If someone thought four stanchions was a good idea, they could have rethought the battery philosophy, too.
Hotswapping brings some issues like bibration that will need to be solved. But your idea is great because hou could upgrade or replace a dwindling range pack in a zip and thats cool
Initial reviews suggest that the Sherman L has more than just a better battery.
What took you so long 😅
LOL =)
BEGODE BLITZ, game changer
this is the wheel Im most looking forward to. awesome weight/speed ratio
For long range, most desirable thing.. Sherman L2 should be 22"
I think the manufacturers are nearing the boundaries of what EUC enthusiasts want. If that is true then the question of how much expansion are they going to get by only going after the enthusiasts has to be asked. In my thinking the next big wall is people who are not sold on EUC technology but may be interested if a EUC strongly fits a practical need. That is going to be a nut to crack...
agree 100%, knowing how to define that need and build a wheel specifically to solve that problem, can it can be for racing or commuting but I think that's what will turn EUC from a novelty to something useful in the general public's mind.
The Falcon is the closest thing to a usable product I've seen so far.
I think the 50 km/h speed is fast enough for 95% of people. In most countries you're not allowed to ride faster than that anyway. Then it fits nicely into that no licence required scooter niche.
Mostly people are terrified about faceplanting into the gravel when you explain the concept to them😅
@@LogicalMayhem00 IMHO most people who are really only interested in small to medium commutes would do well with something like the Inmotion V8 or V10. In particular because wheels like that are very civilized in their acceleration profiles. But yes you are 100% right about the concern of face planting. That is the big nut to crack IMO.
@@kmg501 V8 / v10 lack suspension. If they could make such a wheel so sleek and light but with some suspension it would be great.
My theory is that something like the S16 but with a more serious look and none of the toy aspects like lights and speakers. The lighter weight the better so that it’s manageable to cart around. Nice suspension, a cool/minimal design, comfortable and customisable side pads and a usable headlight and we should be good to go. Doesn’t need a lot of range or a high top speed as those are things for your second or third wheel and even then only if you become a hobbyist.
The Sherman L ticks so many boxes for me. It's exactly what I've been dreaming about for years now. Torque, speed, range, looks, safety. Bam! The few things I still want to see are...
1. Stock Hi-Speed chargers! Come on. These 5 amp chargers are just sad. At $4500 there is absolutely no excuse
2. Lower Price. I mean damn. My 2002 Honda VTX motorcycle is 800 lbs of metal, chrome and leather, has106 horsepower and 120 ft/lbs of torque, comes with a two fenders AND a seat, and is worth about $3500 on the used market. I know batteries cost a lot, but this is some difference.
3. Lower weight. 100+ lbs is a lot. If that's just what it has to be, fine. But the EUC's of 4 years ago that weighed 50 lbs or so, were awesome. You could easily pick them up and transport them wherever, and bumping around on trails in such a light weight package is a whole different experience. I know this one would take new battery technology, but if they can figure out how to drop the weight of these back down to the 60-70 lb range without losing all the current benefits then THAT would be something.
4. I know I'm likely alone in this one, but i also wish they would include options for more built in lighting. If you are a night rider, visibility is everything. I'm sick of modding my wheels just so I can be seen in the dark. This coming from the guy who spent the last 5 months in rehab because the truck that plowed into me claimed he "didn't see me."
The one and only good thing about the high price is that they make enough money to continue innovating.
Weight will continue until the motor tech will improve so it can have more power with less copper. And gears are cumbersome for euc makers.
Never a waste of time watching your videos
I agree, some more quality of life features would be more beneficial for growth.
My theory is that something like the S16 but with a more serious look and none of the toy aspects like lights and speakers would be the go for the more causal rider (like me). The lighter weight the better so that it’s manageable to cart around. Nice suspension, a cool/minimal design, comfortable and customisable side pads and a usable headlight and we should be good to go. Doesn’t need a lot of range or a high top speed as those are things for your second or third wheel and even then only if you become a hobbyist.
Price keeps going up as well as weight. It's going to be competing when with lower end bikes. Xtreme sports winning over commuting where decent speed, good range, and comfort is the need.
What would excite me is 3000W+ in the 40 - 50 lb weight range.
They have got the performance down and the build quality down. Here’s a lifestyle upgrade for an EUC: security. Like Inmotion, add a code or app to unlock and lock the wheel. This will prevent the motor from ever turning on without the right code. Add an alert system when the wheel is being tampered with. Maybe this could be done by the wheel’s angle being changed, and pressing the power button too many times, triggering an alarm. A very loud alarm on the wheel, like a car, and a notification to be sent to the phone.
Maybe a 360 stick camera can come out of the top of the EUC, like how the trolly handle does, to record for 5 minutes, when the wheel has sensed that it has been tampered with.
I like that popped-tire assistance idea. Having some compartments on the wheel itself will be great to hold tools and such.
The L must already be just about the easiest wheel to change tyre on.
Thanks 😊
Most wheels are way out of reach for the working man....4k, ridiculous.
and thats before you realize you need to spend 300 on a pedal lowering kit, 200 on a seat, and another 200 for pedals before you can ride with any confidence. something has to be done because we are at the cusp of these things just being recreational vehicles. I can buy 2 cars and get them insured for the price of a one wheeled device its asinine.
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Maintenance, gas prices,,,,you quickly run up the price of a car.
Cheers
@@d_skrilla6479you need a seat to ride with confidence?
stock pedals are quite good these days.
if you want aftermarket stuff that’s fine but plenty of wheels are awesome out of the box now
Good to know I am not the only one curious about how the F people are paying for this!
Ex30 diamond in the rough
A 100V version of the Sherman L would get me to upgrade from my Sherman S. With the Sherman S, I already chose range over top speed. So, the Sherman L's increased speed does not entice me. But a 4000 watt-hour, 100 volt, 40 amp-hour EUC would certainly catch my eye.
4000wh 100v wheel is NOT 40Ah. 100V wheels that are 3600wh, like your sherman s, are 40Ah since they have 8 parallel(8p) 5000mAh cells(8*5Ah=40Ah). You can't calculate Wh with the PEAK charge voltage of 100.8V, you need to use the NOMINAL 3.6-3.7V of the cell in question. So you need to know that your 100.8V wheel is (100.8/4.2=24s, 4.2V is the full charge) 24 cells in series which in NOMINAL voltage is (24*3.6V=86.4V) 86.4V and you use that with the capacity to get energy (86.4*40Ah=3456Wh). That is how you calculate actual battery capacity. And yes, the chinese manufacturers inflate their battery numbers, that is why you don't get 3600wh out of the calculation.
We could get close with a 9p(45Ah) to the 4000wh configuration but since the number of parallel cells is odd it is very challenging to design a pack that fits the wheels form factor since you usually want the wheel to be balanced left to right/front to back.
Or we get cells that are very high capacity, like the vapcell f60 which is a 6000mAh cell, build a pack out those and ride it very very carefully since they have really bad voltage sag and at higher power, they run just as long as the samsung 50E/S we use in most wheels. It would have a theoretical capacity of 4147Wh (6Ah*8=48Ah, 48Ah*86.4V=4147.2Wh)
Would be great if they or inmotion starts using solid state battery cells. The cells exist, and this price range is already only for enthusiasts so might as well make one with everything. This + ~6,000 lumen headlights, built in charge port, cushioned uv water resistant seat, smart brake lights. It's the price of a vehicle so just make it with everything like how every few years a tech company makes a device have almost everything top of the line.
Not anywhere close to peak tech. Wait til solid state & more exotic material comes to us. Mor power less weight should be the end game
well, he's probably right about peak speed. At least in current trafic
@@bobdebouwer7835 Dont know if his right on peak speed. The history of production motorcycles is a fine example to follow if we really want to predict future. It started off with 20-30mph max at early last century to >200mph in a hundred years. Question is are we at the early, mid or late stages of EUCs? I dont know but me thinks we've still a long way to go. IMO ofcos
I think an increased battery is huge for heavier riders. The Lynx didnt make sense for me, because the battery died too fast with my big ass on it. I was considering the Sherman S still until the L came out. Having a long-range wheel with the power and suspension of a Lynx with increased stability AND the hull sensor upgrade make this my absolute dream wheel. I do wish the price was better, but i think that about everything I like.
I would have loved the seat though.
It not easy to change a tube on a motorcycle tho... But I really want an Euc that is comparable to motorcycle comfortable cruising at 60+ . Big range. Not for everyone but I want a big cruiser that I could go across the state with.
Well, there is no much of a Sherman L, but a lot of personal thoughts, which I have for myself also. Would like to see a review of a wheel itself in future, for example what is in the box, can you ride trails with it, can you go offroading, can you just cruise at 60mph and for how long etc.
5:46
The lynx is 2700wh , not 3000wh ;)
Nice vid !
2:10 I'd say it's more like : ''Better on bad roads than ANY cars''
oh god, you're gonna trigger some 4x4 air ride guy saying that LOL
We need an American company to make and compete against the current family of manufacturers. Its very easy to make the next biggest thing. Exchangeable battery packs like a Dewalt drill . Standardize it. And then focus on modularity to make the wheel your own. Accessories a build a bear of EUC . The riders know what they want the manufacturer’s time is to lister.
What good are exchangeable battery packs supposed to be? Who is going to buy $2.500 worth of battery packs in addition to a $4.500 wheel? And how are you going to carry them on the ride?
@@BlackTalon53 Think outside the box: perhaps you don’t want your wheel to be heavy all day, so you might swap out for a lighter pack. Plenty of people would pay for an extra pack for the same reason they worry about range anxiety-they buy a wheel with extra range, which costs more than an additional battery pack. This approach also eliminates the need to replace your entire EUC when the batteries wear out, much like how you’d replace the battery in your car.
When a better battery comes out, you can upgrade just the batteries instead of buying a whole new EUC. In short, you can customize your electric unicycle for different needs-whether it’s a leisurely ride or a long-range day-without owning multiple wheels.
This concept is similar to using different sized battery packs for Dewalt drills and their accessories. Sometimes, you don’t need the heaviest pack, and having the option to swap packs offers flexibility. You could even have battery stations where you stage your batteries ahead of time, swapping them out when you arrive at your destination and continuing on your way.
It’s similar to what we should be doing with electric cars: instead of waiting hours to charge, you could pull into a station and swap out the battery, then keep going. But like with energy storage, it seems we’re slow to adopt practical solutions.
And made in the US is more way better than made in china. I like America has the industry, take the manufacture back from china.
8:08, well a new 960Wh battery pack for my V10F costs almost 1.100€ where I live, so 1.000 dollars more for the Sherman L battery vs. the Lynx battery seems a pretty fair price.
Lynx is only 2700Wh :-). And Sherman L has some new features - Ride without hall sensors and tubeless tire :-)
Oops, yeah more redundancy is great, but don't make for exciting upgrades!
Lynx has this as well, just a firmware update as the L and the Lynx use the same controller.
Big love.
So if ego can make a bike for their batteries, would be awesome to see them do a euc with their batteries. Berri No-ICE.
Maybe an "Eddie Bower" model?
Alot of talking without getting anything thing said.
I wonder how much will it cost to buy all EUC companies; until one company but free to develop different wheels ?
10:37 i Agree
PS: When you get your hands on a Sherman L, please range test it while keeping it at speed. My guess is that your Sherman S has substantively more range than the Sherman L. ...
I’m not sure if you watched Marty’s video, but as a Sherman S owner I can tell that the Sherman L has more range.
when ridden exactly the same way and speed then yes, but I feel like the whole point of higher voltage would be greater sustained speed, in which case it'll eat into L's lead (my own theory)
@@ed_boogie Hi 🙂... I did see Marty's video. His range was good, but his average-speed and high-speed were lower that I usually get on my Sherman-S. I cannot remember the last time I rode less than a 50-mile ride; I usually only get to ride 4-days a week. I get low battery beeps on my Sherman-S at about 52-to-54-miles. I would hate to spend $5000 to get 5-more-mph of speed and not get any significant mileage boost. If I am going to spend $5K, then I want a significant range boost. And I believe that with the newer upgrades to EUC electronics, Leaperkim can get 5-more-mph out of a 100-volt wheel while still getting me another 10-to-15-miles of range. (YES, I am a hopeful optimist but in some ways I think that is requisite to riding EUC. Let's be honest, it is a leap of faith to get on a one-wheeled machine and cruise around at 40+mph.)
The Begode Master Pro has 4800Wh, but Begode is notorious for being not very efficient compared to Leaperkim wheels. The Abrams has more range than my Sherman and the Monster Pro. My Patton has 30% more range than my S22 and both have 2200 Wh of battery. Marty Bake is already a big fan of the Sherman L. The Sherman L should have similar range as a Master Pro. The Master Pro is still the heaviest stock wheel out there.
The Sherman L doesn't need to come with a seat. Double layer piece of thick yoga mat. DIY a seat is very cheap and easy.
But still, I would rather have a 22 inch wheel for long range.
range is tricky to figure out since ride condition varies and its hard to do comparisons. But I can say that for $4500, it doesn't seem unreason for them to toss in a custom designed seat.
The Lynx only goes 50 GPS for the first 4-5 miles, I'm going to wait for a real GPS speed of 65 before I buy another wheel.
My buddy gets 60 plus gps, but he is only 125lbs lol
@@ed_boogie some wheels are just faster than others...on a full charge doing a free spin test the beeps set to max start at 57 ws which is 53 GPS. Going downhill I've been up to 57 GPS on a full battery
I am far more interested in the begode falcon. If they could have kept it under 50# and $1200 that would the perfect wheel. There are a lot of big expensive wheels I want a big one and a small one just can’t find the right small one yet.
L s construction is more refined than the Lynx. checking out Marty's tyre change video.
These companies are insane asking $4000 and up for a….wheel? I own the commander pro and 3 other wheels and I will not be spending any more. You can buy a 250 cc Yamaha or Honda for less. Ridiculous seeing how they price themselves out
What was the gripes with the Abrams?
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alot of people selling there euc on facebook because euc crash got cut off easy also price upside down lol not good anymore
At least you didn't waste another 20 minutes of my time today 😅
I want a Junp/offroad wheel that is light with torque, good suspension, and the balance/ride feel of the S22. Tired of all of these street wheels. A man’s wheel!
S22 rides very different from any other wheel, both begode and Leaperkim wheel are much stiffer and doesn't have that rubbery bouncy feel of the King Song firmware. F22 may be your best bet!
@@OWGAC yeah that but more important, it’s the balance of the S22 that was magic, in the air and on the pavement. That wheel never wobbled at speed with braking and never tilted back in the air whilst hitting big jumps. F22 will likely be way too heavy, another street wheel unless it has the power to make up for the weight. I’m guessing it doesn’t
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$4000+ for a wheel that doesn't come with essentials to ride it is foolish.
People who buy a EUC for $4500+ is the same as those who buy a Onewheel for $3200
Waste of money
Always best to actually ride the wheel BEFORE you post a review. Like your reviews otherwise
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