The Monster isn't a person, it's the belief that one life is more valuable than another. That's what Johan meant when he said he saw a monster in front of him on the day those two men forced his mother to chose which child's life she valued more. He saw himself as a monster, but he was trying to prove even in his death that everyone is a monster, not just him. He wanted Tenma to chose Wim's life over his, to prove that even Tenma was a monster. That's why Tenma choosing to save him after knowing what he was capable of was so profound. Tenma wasn't a Monster, he truly believed all lives were equal. This story was a masterpiece, the more you think about it the more you realize.
That's a beautiful assessment. Tenma truly couldn't place more value on Wim's life than Johan's. It's what made him whole. I loved his decision, I thought it was a perfect way to end an incredible series, and your assessment made me appreciate it even more.
Yep. It could've been a happy ending where Johan realizes his mother loved him. But then you see the traumatic expereince from his and Anna's persepctive, then you realize this trauma he experienced will never be fixed.
+César Iglesias idk i'm weird i prefer watching something when i know what's going to happen, it makes more sense, i prefer rereading or watching on the second time always
+César Iglesias "I would really like to forget everything about this series just to watch it again, as the first time!" . . Nina's brain doctors can help with that.
Remember when lunge said that a person who doesn't leave a single trace of him/her being at a place is a monster. At the end, we can see that johan left a trace of him being in the hospital on the pillow, symbolizing that he is no longer a monster.
This is a great interpretation but at the same time, I checked what Maria had to say and it Johan does leave a trace behind when he is admitted after being shot in the head as a child.
@@haveanicemichel Except for the fact Lunge himself states it was as if a monster had been in this room as there was no trace of the person (the room Johan had been staying in). Johan considers himself to be a monster but there doesn't have to be just one monster. From Johan's POV, I strongly believe he finds his mother to be a monster. For this comment specifically, I doubt it's that deep, especially with the conflicting account of Johan's hospital bed as a child.
everyone he saw. Johan was just the specific appendage that was holding his son. But like every appendage, there needs to be a body, and that body was the monster. Johan is how he is because of everyone that has affected him. Its allegorical.
I first understood it as in a hydra that regrows its heads if they're cut off. Johan was shot in the head twice in his life, and he survived both times. Resilient bastard.
the silence breaker Yes he escaped. That isn't the big point nor big picture of the story. Try to read the unspoken dialogue that occurs between johan and tenma throughout the entire series.
Who was the real monster? The man that came to take away the children? The mother that sacrificed the wrong child? Or the child that felt relieved not being taken? This is a true psychological thriller done right as the more you think about its underlying question the more disturbed you feel. This is one of the rare cases where describing it as a masterpiece is actually an understatement.
Who was the right child to send away? It obvious it was Johann because she dressed them up as a girl she just wanted a girl so keep Anna. Or maybe it was easier to dress them up as a girl because all you needed was fake hair and a bow. What if she didn't want Anna,she did hear the voice of the kids or did her ears deceive her because of how loud it was? Who was the child who she wanted to go? Answer me.
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moral of the story : 1. life is equal 2. bad parenting = real monster A child's life is like a piece of paper on which every person leaves a mark (chiness proverb)
+Akagami shanks yeah I agree, our lives aren't equal in many ways, and Monster, as a realistic anime, showed us the same, UNequal world, Tenma couldn't leave Johan to die even though he made this whole journey to kill Johan, Johan's mother didn't treat her kids equally neither.
The main point of the movie is love vs nihilism. Johan was stripped of his emotions, names, memories and pretty much his soul. He didnt know the value of life. His philosophy is that only everyone is equal at death. The opposite of Tenma's . Which is love and that all lives are equal and worth saving. Their mother chose him to be taken away, as if he wasnt loved enough, she didnt refuse, she chose him to dissapear. and that's when he started becoming the monster. There was only one thing he loved, one connection, his sister. He cared about nobody else but his sister. Things changed when Nina / Anna caught him in the act .. Anna saw him as a monster . He lost his connection and purpose in life. So he tells anna to kill him.To shoot him in the head, as if to ask Anna " Look at me, do I deserve to die? Am I a monster ? Shoot me if you dont love me, like how mother gave me away. Anna shoots him. But he survives! and he realizes his purpose in life... which is that people are only equal in death and he wants to enforce his ideal to the world. He keeps getting a close chance at death, he points to his head when confronted to test fate , and survives again and again.... Despite everything, he still loves Anna. Things changed again when he read bonaparta's book and regains his memory. He then decides he has to kill bonaparta for everything he's done. His perfect plan was to have Bonaparte killed, and have Tenma shoot him to death . This would prove that no matter what, we're only equal in death. Bonaparta dies in front of him and Tenma... It's all going according to plan. Tenma is about to shoot him BUT Nina comes & stops him. Near the end , nina realized what Johan truly lost. His connection to her, the only person she cared about. She realized she denied Johan at the chance of being loved when she shot him to death. So she tells him.... " I forgive you, even if we're the only people in the world.. I forgive you " . It is actually so sad ,because despite that he doesn't believe in it and so he points the gun at Wim, so that tenma will shoot him. He wants to test fate again, because he truly believe in his nihilistic philosophy and that were all equal in death. Dramatic music plays , and DESPITE Johan's perfect calculations, fate intervenes and he gets shot by an outside source. Yet.. Johan survives... AGAIN , because of Tenma. But this time, he realizes that , like Tenma said. "ALL LIVES ARE EQUAL AND WORTH SAVING " He doesnt commit suicide, he escapes and became human. Its a beautiful story about love and nihilism ......
no....i dont think you understand....this scene literally shifted our perception of johan. intellectually we know that he was a product of the outside monster, but to hear it from himself what truly hurt him/influenced him later on the most is a big emotional punch and a beautiful way to wrap this story
When I first saw Johan suddenly sitting up again... I am sure my heart stopped, I got such a shock and I was so scared tears came to my eyes :'( why Johan? Why you scare me so?!
Sophie G sometimes when I go the bathroom after midnight, when our brain starts to imagine things that might scare us, I imagine Johan (I fucking swear I'm not kidding) and I guarantee you all that I have no other thing that might scare me, no afraid of spirit, ghost, demon, burglar, death... Just a monster, a monster with no name.
I've never been so scared reading a manga before, especially since in the manga he's in bed on one page and then the very next page is a full page spread of him sitting up
@@Carl-ld5jy first of all there is no anatagonist in AOT. The fact that you fail to realise that shows that you didnt understand either monster nor attack on titan
@@griffithdidnothingwrong4788 Yes, by definition Eren Yeager is the antagonist. You seem to have mixed up your astonishingly low reading comprehension with actual understanding of the plot, my guy 😂
If anyone still exists who come here often, then I have a question for you: do you guys think Johan psychologically took Anna's memories and held them as his own because he wanted to be the one to protect Anna from those terrible memories, or do you think he regrets the fact that his mother chose to put one of them (being his sister) through such a terrible experience, therefore traumatizing him into manifesting those memories? Because it seems to me that he really cares about Anna throughout this entire story, as indicated from that recording when he was a boy: "One thing I fear the most is not remembering Anna." It almost seemed like right when she was taken away by Bonaparte, that was really when Johan's trauma began.
I think Johan has an identity crisis since everything is stripped from him, not having a name, dressed by his mom as Anna, and feels unwanted by his mom resulting in wanting perfect suicide. Thats why when anna came back to 3 frogs everything she told johan was taken as his memories, so he can be a real person. That's why he does not want to lose anna, he does not want to lose himself. Remember what Martin said "Nobody wants to die". Johan set up the perfect suicide to erase his identity, but for him his will to live is manifested as Anna's life, so he has to make sure she's okay. To erase yourself perfectly you need to eliminate everything linked to you. Thats why he has to begin the search for his own origin, so he can erase everything linked with his past and conduct the perfect suicide. But he cant kill tenma because Tenma was like his own parent, he saved him, twice, tenma wanted him in this world, unlike his mom. And in the end after tenma told Johan that he has a name, Johan finally get what he's been craving for this whole time. A name, identity, and being wanted by someone, and yes the perfect suicide does work because Johan Liebert is "dead" and nowhere to be found. Now his willingness to live after getting what he wanted is manifested on his new journey as a new person.
I've just finished the anime... Maybe he believed he went through the experiments because he deeply cared about Nina, so he paid close attention to her, felt sympathy, and of course, there was a click, plus, he didn't possess an identity so he was quite vulnerable; remember that Nina told him what she went through over and over again... However, there is a key factor here, he hadn't assumed most of the trauma if he would've been told to not become a monster, just as Klaus Poppe told Nina. Actually, before Johan is shot, Nina remembers this important factor and rushes toward Johan to tell him that she forgives him because she finally understood his situation.
@@JossueND Im a bit dissapointed with this kind of story where the audience has to interpret the hanging end. It was fun at first but after going through shows with ambigouistic ending it made me feels like the writer is not brave enough to give a clear ending, and thats why bong joon hoo movies are good because the ending is clear. Maybe they dont know how to choose the best ending, or they try to avoid critiques. Just like watching 7 seasons of GOT and get dissapointed by the 8th.
Succesfull, but the other way around than was probably intended. The twin that was taken and experimented on ended up growing up a normal, healthy individual, while the twin that was left with their mom grew up all wrong in the head. In the end it was up for Johan and Anna/Nina to choose themselves, what they will become.
@@AnnaMarianne no Nina became normal because she's not as intelligent as Johan is plus she went to a normal orphanage while Johan went to a messed up experimental orphanage that take away children's memories and feelings to become cold hearted soldiers. Kinderheim 511 and the childhood he grew up in was no way that he would grow up normal. We all act and respond differently after all even tho he did had a choice because for example Grimmer grew up in Kinderheim but he didnt turn out to be a cold hearted killer even tho he have no feelings or memories. Nina grew up normal but her memories disappeared after she was 10 years old too and she have these shock that she always have (which is a little annoying) but yeah.
@@cristaljustice4534 First of all, trauma isnt annoying. It was very realistic. Do you not remember that it was ANNA who was experimented on, not Johan? She was kept in a dark room for days. Its as if you didnt watch the ending episodes :) 2nd thing, again, pay attention to the damn show. Kinderheim didnt change Johan. Johan was already a monster before Kinderheim. Remember what the guy (the director) who looked after Dieter said. It was Johan who made everyone kill everyone at 511.
@@anshi5098 Kinderheim definitely changed Johan. It is proven through recordings. It erased Johan's past memories. It took the entirety of the show for him to gain it back. All he remembered after Kinderheim was that he had a sister named Anna. He misremembered that cruel things were done to him because of that brainwashing.
@@DantesInferno96 Oh yeah I completely forgot about that sequence, the recording one. But hadnt Johan killed an elderly couple when he was a child with Anna? I think it was before Kinderheim because after that they fainted due to starvation and were saved from near death experience. I could be wrong. Im gonna watch Monster again lol
***** EXACTLY!!! i just finished the anime today (english dub but it was fantastic) and i felt that it was one of the best long running rides in anime. it is just a masterpiece like Berserk.
A certain Ghork I just finished it two days ago and it gets better the more I think about it. It's one of those series that I almost feel bad talking about cause I love it so much...like nothing I say will ever convey how I feel...and how perfectly poignant it is.
@@iiTrendyz johan woke up and told it. Its impossible that Dr. Tenma know what really happen to twin when the men forced their mother to choose between them
Johan was always so unreal and perfect that I always considered him as a plot device or a metaphor more than an actual character. But the absolute final scene in the whole show turned me around on him.
An observation: Johan now has a name. The nameless monster is named. In the Nameless Monster, the monsters inhabit various lives and then it ends with “a shame, for Johan is such a beautiful name.” It doesn’t matter if he has a name. It doesn’t matter to him and it doesn’t matter to anyone else because everyone around in the nameless monster is dead. That’s the scenery Johan has. A name is identity, it suggests something beyond survival. It suggests life. It’s semantic so it therefore has meaning. Johan wanted the scenery to be the world, nameless and therefore valueless. Thanks to Dr Tenma, that can never be the case. Johan can never kill Tenma. He loves Tenma. He is his god, his saviour and his parent. Now Tenma knows him. The only man to see the scenery in his eyes. The only man to reject the scenery. He’s seen the full image of Johan and still knows his name, he still chooses to save him. That’s why his mother passed on their names to Tenma. Johan will now always have a name. He is no longer a monster, nor can he be a true monster, because Tenma will always be there and he will always know Johan’s name. And it’s not just his given name. It’s his life, his image, his nature, his whole soul. Tenma knows it. There is no nameless monster. The final question as well, which did she choose? Tenma can’t answer. All lives are equal. Tenma can’t shoot Johan in the same way he can’t answer the question.
Best theory ive seen, i also thought johan sees tenma as his mother since in episode 4 he calls him the one who ‘gave him life’. Puts a lot of his actions into perspective
It’s is constantly explained throughout the story, especially that book, that you don’t need a name to have identity, nor does your past have to define you. You forgot the other nameless monster in that book was able to find identity outside of not having a name. Johan had guilt, guilt that his sister was thrown away and not him, guilt that he killed the people who took him and Anna into their homes, and guilt that he had a monster inside of him. Names don’t matter, that’s why we the audience don’t learn them at the end. From our perspective, Johans identity is the actions of what he committed during the series, same for anna/nina, our actions define our identity. Not our names, our past, our race, our background, none of that shit matters. Only what we do. since we’re all created equally, where were born in the hierarchy doesn’t matter, if we’re from rich people, politicians, big named individuals, it doesn’t matter, only our actions define our identity. We’re all equally born and we’ll die equally too. Tenma agrees.
Me hizo acordar un poco. Hannibal la serie de tv con su relación con Will. Will nunca podra matarlo y ahora Hannibal tampoco. Es un relación tan complicada
@@angumakifor2355 Being a suspect or not has nothing to do with him leaving trace or not. When he left Munich he wasn't a suspect either and still he left the town without leaving any trace of him. And wdym he wasn't fully developed into a monster? By this point he already killed all his foster parents, made 50 people kill each other wihile gazing upon it and destroyed Kinderheim 511.
@Nhoadkoko in Munich he was suspected by Lange and that's why Lange went to his room lol. U want to compare when he was young and grown up, yes he killed ppl when he was young, but u can't compare that to when he is grown up
This is one of the most well written shows I've ever seen anime or not. Every character is developed perfectly and nothing feels rushed or from out of nowhere. It's all completely perfect aside from the ending and while it is definitely a good ending the open questions it leaves annoy me because I know they wont be answered....... However, this anime is one of the most underrated things I've seen in a long time. Hell, even the side characters are good enough to have their own series. 10/10
Nothing comes out of nowhere?? What about the hundreds of coincidence the protag has encountered? Oh shit he got ran over oh but wait the person that helped him was also a man whos lookin for this very specific man that happened to be also the man that our protag is lookin for!!!! Omygaad the plot thiccensz
@@balls3583 to be fair the guy that was helping tenma, saw that tenma was keeping an eye on the same person he was after, so when he saw tenma get hit by the car he decided to help out because he too was there for the same reason. “A enemy of my enemy is my friend” type of logic can be applied. Sure it may seem coincidental but I feel like the reason is justified enough to where it doesn’t appear out of nowhere. If you want to get technical though, all a story is, is just a bunch of connected coincidences. Hell, life is practically the same way as well if you think about it.
Just finished this show and these comments are making me realize things I hadn’t thought much about until now. This anime is a complete masterpiece, no doubt about it, and its fans are hella smart!
Hello! Don't worry, I'll explain the ending and the message the author wanted to convey with this resolution (warning, it's very long, but it's worth it): In itself is not known what is of Johan's fate, but most likely he has returned to be a normal human, he is no longer a monster.Why? For 2 reasons. Johan was a monster because he didn't have a name, he was nobody and he didn't exist...learning from Tenma in this last scene that the mother loved him and that he had a name completely changes the way Johan saw things. The second and most important is the bed. why? Because if you see it you realize that there was a person there since you see the sheets lying there and the window open. Do you remember that Lunge in a scene differentiates a demon from a human by the footprints he leaves behind? "A human always leaves traces of his existence, the opposite can only happen if you are a demon" The first time Lunge investigates a room everything was very tidy, as if no one had inhabited that room. So when we notice the bed in this scene with obvious traces of Johan escaping that implies that Johan is no longer a demon. Finally, what the author wants to imply with which Johan is not arrested or sentenced to death but still alive and escaped is that Johan represents that monster that we all have inside us. Our evil side. That monster never disappears or dies, it will always live with us. But it can be calmed down, although that doesn't mean it can't come back. That's why this is like a happy and disturbing ending at the same time.
@@matguz1925damn I just remembered about Lunge’s deduction on that room, and seeing the ending compared to that room and that Johan left, it made a lot more sense to me now why people were Johan was no longer a monster after this.
Perfect ending for Monster.Definitely brilliant, intelligent and mature anime.Indeed a Masterpiece.I notice that people have different opinions to Johan, as a character,his complex motive and goals.Urasawa-sensei did it so we can have conclusion of our own whether the ending is taken literally or symbolically
i think one thing that people miss with this ending is that he’s actually no longer a monster. Because he left a trace of life, the covers messy and the window open.
It's better in the manga because you don't get to hear which is speaking. In the anime, the mother both heard them speaking which gave away who they were. Johan with a deeper voice and Anna with a girly voice. So the only possible conclusion is the mother protected Johan and gave Anna.
@@Zoro-go1mc Johan had a mistaken identity. It was never him who was taken. He had forgotten all about it probably because of the brainwashing at Kinderheim 511. Some fragments of memory from the childhood remained which made him think that the cruel things were shown to him. Anna reminded him later that it was she who was taken and cruel things were shown to her. Johan must've seen despite all this Anna didn't become a monster. He regretted all he had done and probably fell into depression. In his own way, he tried to destroy all memories of him people had by making people who were linked to him kill each other. In the end, he hoped Tenma would be the one to finish him off and become truly alone. Tenma was a doctor and he appreciated the value of life so he refused. Johan on the contrary thought less of human life. Johan's ideals were proven false, his existence as a monster was proven to be pointless.
bro my heart skipped a beat when i saw this scene i never felt something like that watching a anime lmao i wish i could watch this anime for the first time again,,
Johan is easily the most frightening character I've seen in any anime, dare I say in any show. The creator wanted to use the archetype of the Antichrist in order to convey the "supernatural" aspects of Johan, which of course weren't supernatural but rather something most people could not comprehend; how does a human comprehend such evil? He just wanted destruction. I feel he could have accomplished more if he wasn't so fucking crazy lol
Crowzur Personally I loved the entire anime, including the ending. But don't just assume that because someone happens to dislike it that the only anime they like are ones with boobs and explosions. Some people prefer other types of anime. I really loved this anime/manga though :D.
Crowzur To be honest Johan's motives weren't that intelligent or hard to deciper. He just tried to remake his life to be similar to the story in the picture book, with the ending Bonaparte showed Anna in the Redrose Mansion. All the talk in the series about the end of the world and so on was more or less baseless. Most of the side stories (over two thirds of the show) were completely needless for the main story too. I thought that the series was good but the ending was disappointing.
I finished Monster yesterday and I think this ending is perfect. Everyone can interpret it differently and that's what makes it so special. Like H. Han already said, describing it as a masterpiece is an understatement.
for those who couldn't understand the ending,the context is that as Detective Lunge once mentioned that only a monster can leave room without a trace,we knew that earlier when Johan had disguised as Nina Fortner/Anna Liebert ,he lived in a specific apartment but then left it with no clue,but this time Johan did escape,with no news on whether he survived that jump or not,not being a monster but a human,just as Grimmer mentioned that he converted into a human or in the last episode,in Magnificent Steiner
There are many consequences that summed up to make Johan. First, him being a prodigy (right from childhood). Second, his deep understanding of emotions. The anime shows the purest love of the world, motherhood, abandoning its own state, child. Thereafter, the feeling of unwantedness that crept in Johan, made him the kind of monster, the world of monster had never seen.
@@carlosbravo2971He saw millos as a naive version of himself. If you see Johan expression in his eyes during their conversation it brings back memories of his past believing the same thing as millos.
never in my life have i been happier to see an empty bed, this ending is amazing, simultaneously leaving the story on a cliff hanger whilst also wrapping up the plot in such a brilliant way,
What I love about this scene is that it perfectly sums up Johan's character and philosophy, as well as a fatal error in this philosophy. By getting Tenma to answer his question, Johan then forces Tenma to acknowledge that not all lives are equal, which he believes. However, Johan doesn't understand that the question doesn't matter. I interpreted the mother's choice not as a subconscious statement declaring one child superior, but rather it shows a mother's struggle to choose between two children that she loves equally. This is Johan's greatest flaw,and really shows how twisted his mindset is.
I find it amazing, the whole time we kept wondering if Tenma would actually shoot Johan, but in reality the real question is would tenma save Johan again, this time knowing what he has done/ who he is.
We all know that Johan is one of the best (if not, then the best) antagonist, but I have to say Tenma is such an underrated protagonist. I guess it has something to do with some people not liking the ending? I'm really glad he didn't kill Johan though... It just didn't seem right for his character
Just finished the whole show,I have to say,it was a rollercoaster. Such a beautiful story that reflects upon the reality in which we live.The last scene of Johan gave me goosebumps and I was glued to the screen for 3 whole days.What a masterpiece.!
the goosebumps i had during this final scene.... the music, the story, the details and the confusion that this masterpiece gives to you are something else...
I just love Johann's stare in that scene. It fucking expresses everything. Like he wanted to say: Oh my fucking GOD!! You saved my live AGAIN? You idiot, all I wanted is death and you took it from me. Won't you ever learn how long I am alive, people will suffer? At least I see it that way.
I just finished this anime today, and I think I spent the better part of the last hour staring out of my window. This series will stick with me for the rest of my life.
Amane Misa I'm very interested in your theory. What makes you believe that? I personally feel as though he will continue as he has still not commited the perfect suicide. There are still many people who remember him and in fact may have become famous from the events in Ruhenheim.
Amane Misa I think he jumped out of the window aka committed suicide. His goal was to commit the perfect suicide with no one having any memory of him (except Dr. Tenma). In the end I think he realized that as he keeps killing those who remember him, he actually creates more memories about him. He became more infamous known as the Nameless Monster. Hence he realized there is no such thing as a perfect suicide and decided to just die lol.
Crotea Sorry I think I might actually be wrong. I don't remember where I found the chapter info, but the novel is called "Another Monster" and it can be found mostly translated online.
Johan said he saw a monster that day and the only thing he saw in this room, when he looked up was his mother making decision of who she prefer. (the moment she become a monster, idea of choosing someone over another, facial expression of evilness and coldness) THIS IS GENIUS AND SIMPLE.
@@hycran Concept is that there is no one monster, but for Johan it started with this scene (with he's mother) Everyone has he's first monster. And the most destructive one is when sadly it appears your beloved one and you are child at the same moment. Every serial killer case.
Is Johan really completely heartless, and unfeeling. I think not because, if he was, whether or not his mother made a mistake in which of her children were unwanted, he wouldn't care. He'd be unaffected. Yet in his last moments on screen that's the topic that he spoke about.
He only cares about his sister. And the fact that their mother choose her, broke himself. He always knows that he was the wanted, that's why he dressed like her sister.
@@ChagasJuan what no the mother made him dress like his sister because she was trying to hide from bonaparta by making it look like she only has one child. That's why Johan feels like he is unwanted by his mother and the world because he thinks she likes his sister more then him. And yes he do care about his sister I'm surprised that he didn't kill his mom..
I loved the ending, but then again I love all open endings. I think it mimics reality: that there is no such thing as a closed ending. one which you know all the details, in reality.
I'm only realizing now that it's so important that Tenma saved Johan despite all the trouble he did. He became a monster because he basically thought he wasn't wanted. He thought "all lives are equal, only in death", but Tenma saved him anyway. It's really sad actually.
Just finished the show. This is Japan’s national epic. When we say something is perfect in media we usually mean nothing can be said to take away from it. That doesn’t always mean it’s the best there is. Yet this was both perfect and the best there is. I was left breathing heavy with a fluttering heart for a long time after. Even then, the feeling lingered. A true masterpiece.
Whenever I looked at Johan's face I saw a terrible empty sadness . His face would always change whenever he turned into a monster but still there was a vast emptiness on his face .
This anime will have a significant impact in my life. It's crazy to think that whatever happened in this anime could happen in real life or is happening. This anime isn't some fairytale or powers type of anime,it's psychological which makes it so significant to the real world depicting how humans can have such outlooks on life. Whoever has watched this entire anime now know what a monster is .
If this serie were to be a real-life serie with good actors and actress this would have hit the Top 10s easily. What a shame this isn't as popular as Death Note... 😣😣😣😣 People think because the name is monster this serie is about monsters and about horror they should have named it something way more Attention worth. Best serie I watched about mystery!
I dont think so... The movies made by copying content from anime are worse for eg. Of aot that movie sucks so bad couldn't watch for even a min (the one involving humans lol) and i believe same will turn out if a movie (with human actors) is made into anime it will suck. Everything has its own value so its best left untouched.
Monster is an anime which challenges your interpretation to a high level. There are so many references and bits of information you need to catch on, in order to understand something. The story is so well written that I appreciate the writer(Naoki Urusawa) for penning down such a underrated masterpiece.
I haven't watched the anime but I did read the whole manga and I swear to god, Johan suddenly waking up and start talking gave me the biggest jumpscare of my life
I think that Johan committed suicide, based on his words and the story ''The monster without a name''. Johan is saying: ''Did my mother try to save me, or did she mistake me for my sister, who was the one she didn't want?'' this is the reason why he did it. In the book, one of the monsters got eaten and this is how the end of the book is ''Even though he had finally found a name, there was no one around to call him by it.'' Which is implying that Johan finally found his name, but there is no one who would care about him because of the crimes he committed. In the end you see sky surrounded by trees which is assume is where his body is laying, and at the end you see the bed next to the window, which is hinting that he committed suicide. Quite the sad ending if you think about it. Hate to say it, but i feel bad for him. This anime has an even deeper meaning and that is ''Every life is equal''. In the previous episode Johan wanted Tenma to kill him. This is why i love the bad guys in animes, they are more realistic and more original compared to the other characters. They all have realistic story, they all have a reason for their hatred.
We need more anime/series like this Where a villain/antagonist is a centre of story and Protagonist and antagonist are completely polar opposite "Everyone's life is equal" - Dr. Tenma "Everyone is equal only when they're Death" Johan Liebert
Is johan alive in another monster? I read a summary and that in the end someone says that there is someone who wants to repeat the experiment, right? And if who? Johan?
What is normal for Johan ? I feel for him but that doesn't change the fact that he killed so many people. He should be institutionalised . But I also think he should have a second chance .
I really loved how the concept of who lives and who dies was done in this story. Tenma as a genius brain surgeon essentially is a god who decides peoples fates. Similarly to how Johan’s fate was decided by his mother all those years ago. When Tenma saved Johan the first time, he became intrigued with the idea of having someones life at the palm of your hands. In his own sick way Johan decided he was going to follow in his gods (Tenma and his mother) footsteps and be the one who chooses who lives and who dies. Including himself. The only difference being Tenma believes all lives are equal in birth. Johan believes they’re only equal in death.
I only read the Manga and the end was a mystery. The anime makes it clear, the mother didn't confuse anything. She sent Anna on purpose. In Manga there is no voice but in anime we can clearly see that the mother knew who was who by the voice
but I think it must have been a very high pressure moment. before really difficult to tell things apart like voices, plus both her children looking the exact same wasn't much help either
Because this is the scene where we as audience can also see the monster clearly which Johan was trying to show us... It was the belief that every life is not equal, yes! this belief is the real monster which exist in many humans just like he saw it in his mother but when Tenma saved him, he understood that this monster is not the ultimate reality and a human can become rea human who can love everyone equally. So yes Johan finally became a human again in the end. And in this scene it was not real Johan, it was just Tenma's hallucination which helped him to understand Monster that Johan was talking about.
I want to believe that after he was recovered AGAIN he finally realized that people do want him here and he’s not alone. After Nina forgave him I feel like it did take a toll on him even though he made it seem like it was too late. I believe he walked out of the hospital and just looked up at the sky. That’s really all I can think of him doing. I don’t see him roaming around being friendly to everyone nor living life like nothing ever happened. But him, his sister, and his mom having a reunion would be something to see. Since Tenma hallucinated about Johan talking how his mother didn’t know who to choose, maybe he doesn’t really feel that way. I know he talked about her pretty badly but it makes me wonder why he wouldn’t kill her? If his plan was to erase his past or the bad things in society but kept her alive? I think he really does want to meet her and does want to know his real name.
No shit. And asking if you read the manga or not is irrelevant as the anime adaptation is exactly how the manga is; its "panel per panel". I was just mentioning if inspector lunge theory was correct. It be the biggest plot twist and mind blown in anime lol.
yeah the character development for lunge was great and he finally apologized. Actually after browsing around a more dark ending would be that Tenma would be blamed for all the murders. After johan does his "perfect suicide" tenma would take all the blame, since very few knew about Johan existence.
I just finished the show today and wow what a show. I hated johan for all the things he did but the last scene made me feel for him. I kind of understand his character a bit and how his childhood shaped him to what he is. The author did a great job writing this character and the character of dr. Tenma. What a joy and sadness to watch this show.
This Is way scarier in manga. As soon as you turn the page over.... You see a 2- page spread of johan sitting on his bed menacingly and tenma's eyes about to pop out. Johan's expression was even more hedious in manga. My heart was about to stop as soon as I turned over the page. Because it's the last chapter and 2 to 3 pages are left. You won't expect something like this to happen right then and there right? So i was extremely relaxed.
No, he might be the one that pushed for the choice, but the true monster to the children was the mother. She chose to give one away, she ruined Johan's view of people, they were not equal to his mother. Therefore people weren't equal, and worse yet he never knew which one she thought was truly less than the other. That is the monster that Johan saw before him, his own mother.
+AbrahamZX1 Dude, he is the one who pushed her do the choice she had to fucking choose one, otherwise both of twins would be gone.She didn't had another fucking choice and this is the fault of franz the asshole, you say she is the monster for the choice but franz is not? he leave her no choice but sacrificing one of her children and that's why franz is the true monster.I know that choice fucked the twins up especially johan his whole life is ruined, i'm not saying mother is fully innocent but she had no choice, so franz is the true monster.
He never said he would be taking both in that scene and it's the action of choosing one that's so wrong. Franz was not the bigger monster there, she's the one that showed Johan that one had more value than the other, for whatever reason that she probably didn't even explain to them and at the end of things she still ended up losing both of her children.
To those who hate the ending because it was too confusing miss the point, the point of the series was figuring out who the monster was and Johan was a vessel for all the evil and it's called leaving it up to your interpretation, I personally like it that the ending is left open ended because explaining everything in detail would of be boring, like zero punctuation said a mystery loses all it's fascinating points the instant you explain them and it's more creepy the fact that we can come up with our own theories about the ending rather then what would actually be shown. Personally I like to think that as soon as tenma left the hospital Johan left to erase himself from the world completely and therefore he has committed the perfect suicide by leaving the world without leaving a single trace of the fact that he has gone he simply dissapears form the world, that's the way I look at it.
I like to interpret the ending as Lunge said. He believes that every human leaves a trace behind. But only a monster can delete any sign of him being there. Johan was no longer the monster, because he did not tidy his bed, he was there. Left his trace.
2:03 This close-up is so amazing because it kind of looks like Tenma earlier in the show with the long hair and him being so stressed. After his life had been turned upside down. It also looks very similar to the same close-up shot at 0:21 seconds in the Anime Opening.
Realizing that this is where Johan really lost it. His nihilism and his future detestation for identifying factors like parents or names were all just a coping mechanism for this one moment. Instead of coming to terms with whether his mother loved him or his sister less or establishing empathy for his mother he simply decided to reject the notion of a life's importance altogether. Also, the fact that Johan is still asleep means that this is Tenma finally coming to understand which gives this scene so much more depth. Johan becomes grounded in this scene. His image shifts from that of some monster as the mask is ripped away to reveal a man.
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The Monster isn't a person, it's the belief that one life is more valuable than another. That's what Johan meant when he said he saw a monster in front of him on the day those two men forced his mother to chose which child's life she valued more. He saw himself as a monster, but he was trying to prove even in his death that everyone is a monster, not just him. He wanted Tenma to chose Wim's life over his, to prove that even Tenma was a monster. That's why Tenma choosing to save him after knowing what he was capable of was so profound. Tenma wasn't a Monster, he truly believed all lives were equal. This story was a masterpiece, the more you think about it the more you realize.
That's a beautiful assessment. Tenma truly couldn't place more value on Wim's life than Johan's. It's what made him whole. I loved his decision, I thought it was a perfect way to end an incredible series, and your assessment made me appreciate it even more.
your comment made me realize how tenma really is.
So johan is born narcissistic
Thank you for putting your realizations into words! I was confused before, but now I understand the final scene so much better now
@@kreep4776 Johan was born normal, like everyone else. It was this ambigious trauma he tells us in this scene that made him this way.
i just remember when johan told to milos "do you think your mother would recognize you?" he was was talking from personal experience
Yup
WoaHHH Nice detail
Oh shit yea
Milos is the child?
@@filippoprugno9397 lmao no
Perfect ending to the anime because until the very last minute, viewers are scared and confused as to what just happened
@@ferozali2037 god, you are so fucking edgy
let people be scared of johan kakjcajk
Yep. It could've been a happy ending where Johan realizes his mother loved him. But then you see the traumatic expereince from his and Anna's persepctive, then you realize this trauma he experienced will never be fixed.
Aya B it's not a perect ending :( I want more ep I feel empty afrer watching the last ep ...I dont want it to end :( :(
@@f.n30 same, i feel empty...
@@ferozali2037 relax
I would really like to forget everything about this series just to watch it again, as the first time!
i can totally relate!!
+César Iglesias idk i'm weird i prefer watching something when i know what's going to happen, it makes more sense, i prefer rereading or watching on the second time always
+César Iglesias
"I would really like to forget everything about this series just to watch it again, as the first time!"
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Nina's brain doctors can help with that.
Stephanie Shine Well, everyone has their preferences :)
That's what makes him fascinating, though.
ironic how this anime ended with tenma saving johan's life again and the latter escaping once again
I thought he comited suicide.
No, he didn't kill himself
+The Khan he was shown to be alive in Another Monster
He didnt escape. The last scene is figurative.
maybe he didnt survive the bed was empty all along and tenma was just dreaming...
Remember when lunge said that a person who doesn't leave a single trace of him/her being at a place is a monster. At the end, we can see that johan left a trace of him being in the hospital on the pillow, symbolizing that he is no longer a monster.
This is a great interpretation but at the same time, I checked what Maria had to say and it Johan does leave a trace behind when he is admitted after being shot in the head as a child.
Thus, it doesn't make much sense. But still, good theory.
holy shit
@@Marksman_12 Perhaps it was a way of showing that Johan wasn’t the monster in the first place?
@@haveanicemichel Except for the fact Lunge himself states it was as if a monster had been in this room as there was no trace of the person (the room Johan had been staying in). Johan considers himself to be a monster but there doesn't have to be just one monster. From Johan's POV, I strongly believe he finds his mother to be a monster. For this comment specifically, I doubt it's that deep, especially with the conflicting account of Johan's hospital bed as a child.
I love how Tenma always looks back.
And how always people are looking for him
And how everyone's past is accidentally connected to everyone else's past.
And how we never know which one the twin's mom meant to keep and how that moment shaped entire lives.
And how Lunge types with his fingers
@@pruthvirajchaudhari7653 I always thought that was cool. But I've never expected him to use that strong hand to win a fight.
That moment you realize, when the drunk father said he saw a seven headed monster, he was referring to more than just Johan.....
Who was he referring to then?
everyone he saw. Johan was just the specific appendage that was holding his son. But like every appendage, there needs to be a body, and that body was the monster. Johan is how he is because of everyone that has affected him. Its allegorical.
I think these people who turned Johan into a monster. I forgot their names.
wooooah didnt think about that until now... wow.
I first understood it as in a hydra that regrows its heads if they're cut off.
Johan was shot in the head twice in his life, and he survived both times. Resilient bastard.
Just finished this series a few minutes ago and I am petrified.
+Corpse yeah me too, the final is really bad tho
+Felipe94 ; No way. The final is fucking awesome, dig into it a bit more.
i honestly didn't understood the ending, did yohan escaped? is he deaed? where is he?
the silence breaker Yes he escaped. That isn't the big point nor big picture of the story. Try to read the unspoken dialogue that occurs between johan and tenma throughout the entire series.
Can you please tell me your theories? I just finished this series as well.
Who was the real monster? The man that came to take away the children? The mother that sacrificed the wrong child? Or the child that felt relieved not being taken? This is a true psychological thriller done right as the more you think about its underlying question the more disturbed you feel. This is one of the rare cases where describing it as a masterpiece is actually an understatement.
WOW that seriously made me think of a certain event that happened in my own life.....
Who was the right child to send away? It obvious it was Johann because she dressed them up as a girl she just wanted a girl so keep Anna. Or maybe it was easier to dress them up as a girl because all you needed was fake hair and a bow. What if she didn't want Anna,she did hear the voice of the kids or did her ears deceive her because of how loud it was? Who was the child who she wanted to go? Answer me.
For example? Mmm, the picture that Johan was in it?
What makes you think i would have been any different if the mother choice differently, the other twin?
It's these questions while watching Monster that haunt you, without feeling like it's trying to come off as scary.
I like how Johan's voice sounds more natural here, unlike the usual soft, angelic voice. It makes him more human
One of the only times Johan is visibly frustrated over something
It would be funny if we heard a toilet flush and Johan just comes back and gets back into bed... XD
Wow! 100 likes! I am officially famous. *holds up award* I would like to thank my family and friends, as well as my advisors and sponsors for supporting me through this troubled time...
I was thinking the same. XD
lmao
You r a légende
That will be the best ending that I ever seen
moral of the story :
1. life is equal
2. bad parenting = real monster
A child's life is like a piece of paper on which every person leaves a mark (chiness proverb)
Ajran Azima But "Johan" said that there is no equal in life , but in death !
+Akagami shanks yeah I agree, our lives aren't equal in many ways, and Monster, as a realistic anime, showed us the same, UNequal world, Tenma couldn't leave Johan to die even though he made this whole journey to kill Johan, Johan's mother didn't treat her kids equally neither.
Ajran Azima i don't think it is that
The main point of the movie is love vs nihilism.
Johan was stripped of his emotions, names, memories and pretty much his soul.
He didnt know the value of life. His philosophy is that only everyone is equal at death. The opposite of Tenma's .
Which is love and that all lives are equal and worth saving.
Their mother chose him to be taken away, as if he wasnt loved enough, she didnt refuse, she chose him to dissapear.
and that's when he started becoming the monster.
There was only one thing he loved, one connection, his sister. He cared about nobody else but his sister.
Things changed when Nina / Anna caught him in the act .. Anna saw him as a monster . He lost his connection and purpose in life.
So he tells anna to kill him.To shoot him in the head, as if to ask Anna " Look at me, do I deserve to die? Am I a monster ? Shoot me if you dont love me, like how mother gave me away.
Anna shoots him.
But he survives! and he realizes his purpose in life... which is that people are only equal in death and he wants to enforce his ideal to the world.
He keeps getting a close chance at death, he points to his head when confronted to test fate , and survives again and again....
Despite everything, he still loves Anna.
Things changed again when he read bonaparta's book and regains his memory. He then decides he has to kill bonaparta for everything he's done.
His perfect plan was to have Bonaparte killed, and have Tenma shoot him to death . This would prove that no matter what, we're only equal in death.
Bonaparta dies in front of him and Tenma... It's all going according to plan.
Tenma is about to shoot him BUT Nina comes & stops him.
Near the end , nina realized what Johan truly lost. His connection to her, the only person she cared about.
She realized she denied Johan at the chance of being loved when she shot him to death.
So she tells him.... " I forgive you, even if we're the only people in the world.. I forgive you " .
It is actually so sad ,because despite that he doesn't believe in it and so he points the gun at Wim, so that tenma will shoot him.
He wants to test fate again, because he truly believe in his nihilistic philosophy and that were all equal in death.
Dramatic music plays , and DESPITE Johan's perfect calculations, fate intervenes and he gets shot by an outside source.
Yet.. Johan survives... AGAIN , because of Tenma.
But this time, he realizes that , like Tenma said. "ALL LIVES ARE EQUAL AND WORTH SAVING "
He doesnt commit suicide, he escapes and became human.
Its a beautiful story about love and nihilism ......
1.No.. life is not equal.. but we should value life equally ..
2.Some people are born that way
no....i dont think you understand....this scene literally shifted our perception of johan. intellectually we know that he was a product of the outside monster, but to hear it from himself what truly hurt him/influenced him later on the most is a big emotional punch and a beautiful way to wrap this story
monsters last chapters live on my mind rent free
the way his whole arc was transformation from monster to human...from the unnamed to finally learning his true name....nah tears man
So true
When I first saw Johan suddenly sitting up again... I am sure my heart stopped, I got such a shock and I was so scared tears came to my eyes :'( why Johan? Why you scare me so?!
Sophie G sometimes when I go the bathroom after midnight, when our brain starts to imagine things that might scare us, I imagine Johan (I fucking swear I'm not kidding) and I guarantee you all that I have no other thing that might scare me, no afraid of spirit, ghost, demon, burglar, death... Just a monster, a monster with no name.
Tunado Productions johan was such a well developed character he felt real
I've never been so scared reading a manga before, especially since in the manga he's in bed on one page and then the very next page is a full page spread of him sitting up
Sophie G who's mans
And it was more scarying in the manga
If someone asks you 'what's the best psychological anime?'
Without any doubt say it's MONSTER
AOT
@@Carl-ld5jy do u know what psychological means?
@@griffithdidnothingwrong4788 Yes, which is why AOT has the superior antagonist =)
@@Carl-ld5jy first of all there is no anatagonist in AOT. The fact that you fail to realise that shows that you didnt understand either monster nor attack on titan
@@griffithdidnothingwrong4788 Yes, by definition Eren Yeager is the antagonist. You seem to have mixed up your astonishingly low reading comprehension with actual understanding of the plot, my guy 😂
Johan is so scary because he is so realistic.
Yup. Love him but really don't want to meet him in real life even for a second ^^
I wouldnt say realistic, more like japanese hannibal lector lel.
CloverChoco Realistic? But he is completely flawless.
Destroyer Guy i said wouldn't.
Sephelutis Lucifus I know it perfectly well. I mean that Johan is a flawless character.
One of the creepiest scenes ever.
If anyone still exists who come here often, then I have a question for you: do you guys think Johan psychologically took Anna's memories and held them as his own because he wanted to be the one to protect Anna from those terrible memories, or do you think he regrets the fact that his mother chose to put one of them (being his sister) through such a terrible experience, therefore traumatizing him into manifesting those memories? Because it seems to me that he really cares about Anna throughout this entire story, as indicated from that recording when he was a boy: "One thing I fear the most is not remembering Anna." It almost seemed like right when she was taken away by Bonaparte, that was really when Johan's trauma began.
I think Johan has an identity crisis since everything is stripped from him, not having a name, dressed by his mom as Anna, and feels unwanted by his mom resulting in wanting perfect suicide. Thats why when anna came back to 3 frogs everything she told johan was taken as his memories, so he can be a real person. That's why he does not want to lose anna, he does not want to lose himself. Remember what Martin said "Nobody wants to die". Johan set up the perfect suicide to erase his identity, but for him his will to live is manifested as Anna's life, so he has to make sure she's okay.
To erase yourself perfectly you need to eliminate everything linked to you. Thats why he has to begin the search for his own origin, so he can erase everything linked with his past and conduct the perfect suicide. But he cant kill tenma because Tenma was like his own parent, he saved him, twice, tenma wanted him in this world, unlike his mom. And in the end after tenma told Johan that he has a name, Johan finally get what he's been craving for this whole time. A name, identity, and being wanted by someone, and yes the perfect suicide does work because Johan Liebert is "dead" and nowhere to be found. Now his willingness to live after getting what he wanted is manifested on his new journey as a new person.
Yes
I've just finished the anime... Maybe he believed he went through the experiments because he deeply cared about Nina, so he paid close attention to her, felt sympathy, and of course, there was a click, plus, he didn't possess an identity so he was quite vulnerable; remember that Nina told him what she went through over and over again... However, there is a key factor here, he hadn't assumed most of the trauma if he would've been told to not become a monster, just as Klaus Poppe told Nina. Actually, before Johan is shot, Nina remembers this important factor and rushes toward Johan to tell him that she forgives him because she finally understood his situation.
To me, the ending is what left most confused😅 did Johan escape? Did he truly survive or was it just Kenso's imagination?
@@JossueND Im a bit dissapointed with this kind of story where the audience has to interpret the hanging end. It was fun at first but after going through shows with ambigouistic ending it made me feels like the writer is not brave enough to give a clear ending, and thats why bong joon hoo movies are good because the ending is clear. Maybe they dont know how to choose the best ending, or they try to avoid critiques. Just like watching 7 seasons of GOT and get dissapointed by the 8th.
After you finish this anime you will really question everything in this world.
Such a masterpiece.
Ikr. After watching this I learn there is no black & white just Grey getting mixed feelings because johan was evil but felt human at same time
What is this anime name
@@MusaZaman-qx4zoMonster
Don't blink challenge Tenma vs Johan
Flow Dark_Bright best comment I've ever read
Draw
@@ginbuck3914 Both faints out.
There is a little poetic in your joke. Nor Dr. Tenma or Johan won this challenge. Just like the whole story.
First one to move is gay
I just love the fact that experiment was successful.His twin became a great person while he himself became a monster
Succesfull, but the other way around than was probably intended. The twin that was taken and experimented on ended up growing up a normal, healthy individual, while the twin that was left with their mom grew up all wrong in the head. In the end it was up for Johan and Anna/Nina to choose themselves, what they will become.
@@AnnaMarianne no Nina became normal because she's not as intelligent as Johan is plus she went to a normal orphanage while Johan went to a messed up experimental orphanage that take away children's memories and feelings to become cold hearted soldiers. Kinderheim 511 and the childhood he grew up in was no way that he would grow up normal. We all act and respond differently after all even tho he did had a choice because for example Grimmer grew up in Kinderheim but he didnt turn out to be a cold hearted killer even tho he have no feelings or memories. Nina grew up normal but her memories disappeared after she was 10 years old too and she have these shock that she always have (which is a little annoying) but yeah.
@@cristaljustice4534 First of all, trauma isnt annoying. It was very realistic. Do you not remember that it was ANNA who was experimented on, not Johan? She was kept in a dark room for days. Its as if you didnt watch the ending episodes :)
2nd thing, again, pay attention to the damn show. Kinderheim didnt change Johan. Johan was already a monster before Kinderheim. Remember what the guy (the director) who looked after Dieter said. It was Johan who made everyone kill everyone at 511.
@@anshi5098 Kinderheim definitely changed Johan. It is proven through recordings. It erased Johan's past memories. It took the entirety of the show for him to gain it back. All he remembered after Kinderheim was that he had a sister named Anna. He misremembered that cruel things were done to him because of that brainwashing.
@@DantesInferno96 Oh yeah I completely forgot about that sequence, the recording one. But hadnt Johan killed an elderly couple when he was a child with Anna? I think it was before Kinderheim because after that they fainted due to starvation and were saved from near death experience. I could be wrong. Im gonna watch Monster again lol
THESE INTERPRETATIONS AND SYMBOLISMS, MAN
What symbolisms? Munch munch, chomp chomp, gobble gobble, gulp!
Boss Mayne I literally had just the luck to pick the video pertaining to this comment.
SIMPalaxy Lol
"Show me a hero, and I'll write you a tragedy"
-F. Scott Fitzgerald
It's finally over... I can finally go back to my normal life. xD
*****
EXACTLY!!! i just finished the anime today (english dub but it was fantastic) and i felt that it was one of the best long running rides in anime. it is just a masterpiece like Berserk.
A certain Ghork I just finished it two days ago and it gets better the more I think about it. It's one of those series that I almost feel bad talking about cause I love it so much...like nothing I say will ever convey how I feel...and how perfectly poignant it is.
Matsuda Tōta I'd go as far as to say that I liked this a lot more than Death Note. (Death Note is still outstanding, though).
Mood rn 😂
Yeah me too
Tenma's eyes when he looked surprised seeing Johan awake scared me a bit
yup
Surprised? More like scared for his life, I know that my heart for sure stopped for a second when Johan got up lol
@@malonemello6948 did Johan actually wake up and say those things or was tenma imagining it? because in the next shot, johan was asleep
@@iiTrendyz johan woke up and told it. Its impossible that Dr. Tenma know what really happen to twin when the men forced their mother to choose between them
Johan was always so unreal and perfect that I always considered him as a plot device or a metaphor more than an actual character. But the absolute final scene in the whole show turned me around on him.
An observation: Johan now has a name. The nameless monster is named. In the Nameless Monster, the monsters inhabit various lives and then it ends with “a shame, for Johan is such a beautiful name.” It doesn’t matter if he has a name. It doesn’t matter to him and it doesn’t matter to anyone else because everyone around in the nameless monster is dead. That’s the scenery Johan has. A name is identity, it suggests something beyond survival. It suggests life. It’s semantic so it therefore has meaning. Johan wanted the scenery to be the world, nameless and therefore valueless. Thanks to Dr Tenma, that can never be the case. Johan can never kill Tenma. He loves Tenma. He is his god, his saviour and his parent. Now Tenma knows him. The only man to see the scenery in his eyes. The only man to reject the scenery. He’s seen the full image of Johan and still knows his name, he still chooses to save him. That’s why his mother passed on their names to Tenma. Johan will now always have a name. He is no longer a monster, nor can he be a true monster, because Tenma will always be there and he will always know Johan’s name. And it’s not just his given name. It’s his life, his image, his nature, his whole soul. Tenma knows it. There is no nameless monster. The final question as well, which did she choose? Tenma can’t answer. All lives are equal. Tenma can’t shoot Johan in the same way he can’t answer the question.
Wow that's amazing.
Best theory ive seen, i also thought johan sees tenma as his mother since in episode 4 he calls him the one who ‘gave him life’. Puts a lot of his actions into perspective
It’s is constantly explained throughout the story, especially that book, that you don’t need a name to have identity, nor does your past have to define you. You forgot the other nameless monster in that book was able to find identity outside of not having a name. Johan had guilt, guilt that his sister was thrown away and not him, guilt that he killed the people who took him and Anna into their homes, and guilt that he had a monster inside of him. Names don’t matter, that’s why we the audience don’t learn them at the end. From our perspective, Johans identity is the actions of what he committed during the series, same for anna/nina, our actions define our identity. Not our names, our past, our race, our background, none of that shit matters. Only what we do. since we’re all created equally, where were born in the hierarchy doesn’t matter, if we’re from rich people, politicians, big named individuals, it doesn’t matter, only our actions define our identity. We’re all equally born and we’ll die equally too. Tenma agrees.
In the end of the "nameless monster" stories, it kill all and have name but no one survive so....
Me hizo acordar un poco. Hannibal la serie de tv con su relación con Will. Will nunca podra matarlo y ahora Hannibal tampoco. Es un relación tan complicada
The unnamed monster got his name. That's why he disappeared.
Johan disappeared is symbolism of him finding any meaning in life probably.
Someone in comments said that the final scene shows that Johan has regained humanity, since he left a trace that he has been in the bed.
😂😂😂😂😂
He also left a trace on his bed at beginning of the story when he escaped the hospital with his sister. That doesn't mean he regained his humanity.
@@Nhoadkokohe wasn't a suspect then, and wasn't fully developed into a monster. That's my guess
@@angumakifor2355 Being a suspect or not has nothing to do with him leaving trace or not. When he left Munich he wasn't a suspect either and still he left the town without leaving any trace of him.
And wdym he wasn't fully developed into a monster? By this point he already killed all his foster parents, made 50 people kill each other wihile gazing upon it and destroyed Kinderheim 511.
@Nhoadkoko in Munich he was suspected by Lange and that's why Lange went to his room lol.
U want to compare when he was young and grown up, yes he killed ppl when he was young, but u can't compare that to when he is grown up
This is one of the most well written shows I've ever seen anime or not. Every character is developed perfectly and nothing feels rushed or from out of nowhere. It's all completely perfect aside from the ending and while it is definitely a good ending the open questions it leaves annoy me because I know they wont be answered....... However, this anime is one of the most underrated things I've seen in a long time. Hell, even the side characters are good enough to have their own series. 10/10
Is this your fav anime ?
Nothing comes out of nowhere?? What about the hundreds of coincidence the protag has encountered? Oh shit he got ran over oh but wait the person that helped him was also a man whos lookin for this very specific man that happened to be also the man that our protag is lookin for!!!! Omygaad the plot thiccensz
@@balls3583 what do you expect, such a story wouldn't exist in real life because well everything is predetermined by the author
@@balls3583 if you saw my reply, my apologies I had to delete it since I misread your comment and was sounding like a complete dumbass for a second.
@@balls3583 to be fair the guy that was helping tenma, saw that tenma was keeping an eye on the same person he was after, so when he saw tenma get hit by the car he decided to help out because he too was there for the same reason. “A enemy of my enemy is my friend” type of logic can be applied. Sure it may seem coincidental but I feel like the reason is justified enough to where it doesn’t appear out of nowhere. If you want to get technical though, all a story is, is just a bunch of connected coincidences. Hell, life is practically the same way as well if you think about it.
Just finished this show and these comments are making me realize things I hadn’t thought much about until now. This anime is a complete masterpiece, no doubt about it, and its fans are hella smart!
Hello! Don't worry, I'll explain the ending and the message the author wanted to convey with this resolution (warning, it's very long, but it's worth it):
In itself is not known what is of Johan's fate, but most likely he has returned to be a normal human, he is no longer a monster.Why? For 2 reasons. Johan was a monster because he didn't have a name, he was nobody and he didn't exist...learning from Tenma in this last scene that the mother loved him and that he had a name completely changes the way Johan saw things.
The second and most important is the bed. why? Because if you see it you realize that there was a person there since you see the sheets lying there and the window open.
Do you remember that Lunge in a scene differentiates a demon from a human by the footprints he leaves behind? "A human always leaves traces of his existence, the opposite can only happen if you are a demon" The first time Lunge investigates a room everything was very tidy, as if no one had inhabited that room.
So when we notice the bed in this scene with obvious traces of Johan escaping that implies that Johan is no longer a demon.
Finally, what the author wants to imply with which Johan is not arrested or sentenced to death but still alive and escaped is that Johan represents that monster that we all have inside us. Our evil side. That monster never disappears or dies, it will always live with us. But it can be calmed down, although that doesn't mean it can't come back. That's why this is like a happy and disturbing ending at the same time.
Agreed, just smart like you bro ;)
@@matguz1925damn I just remembered about Lunge’s deduction on that room, and seeing the ending compared to that room and that Johan left, it made a lot more sense to me now why people were Johan was no longer a monster after this.
@@matguz1925omg genius
Once they adapt 20th Century Boys and Pluto.I can die in peace
Johan Is GOAT 20th Century Boys ftw. I honestly enjoyed it more than Monster.
Shehan Shetty pluto is getting an anime in 2018 :')
yo espero billy bat
Don't forget billy bat too. All thriller manga made by naoki urasawa is a masterpieces.
Pluto = 2020
Perfect ending for Monster.Definitely brilliant, intelligent and mature anime.Indeed a Masterpiece.I notice that people have different opinions to Johan, as a character,his complex motive and goals.Urasawa-sensei did it so we can have conclusion of our own whether the ending is taken literally or symbolically
The best anime I ever watch
i think one thing that people miss with this ending is that he’s actually no longer a monster. Because he left a trace of life, the covers messy and the window open.
Exactly
It's better in the manga because you don't get to hear which is speaking. In the anime, the mother both heard them speaking which gave away who they were. Johan with a deeper voice and Anna with a girly voice. So the only possible conclusion is the mother protected Johan and gave Anna.
Well yes, it's a creative choice to show the voice because we already know it's Anna who's given away a few episodes back
@@nekosousou So Johan did become that monster for what? Because of the "monster who had no name"? But how?
@@Zoro-go1mc Johan had a mistaken identity. It was never him who was taken. He had forgotten all about it probably because of the brainwashing at Kinderheim 511. Some fragments of memory from the childhood remained which made him think that the cruel things were shown to him. Anna reminded him later that it was she who was taken and cruel things were shown to her. Johan must've seen despite all this Anna didn't become a monster. He regretted all he had done and probably fell into depression. In his own way, he tried to destroy all memories of him people had by making people who were linked to him kill each other. In the end, he hoped Tenma would be the one to finish him off and become truly alone. Tenma was a doctor and he appreciated the value of life so he refused. Johan on the contrary thought less of human life.
Johan's ideals were proven false, his existence as a monster was proven to be pointless.
@@DantesInferno96 agreed 🤝
Mother loved the father, so saved the son...
To save the father....
Didn't like it at first, but now I think it's the perfect ending for the anime
+99Nars I thought the ending to Monster was dumb. Although looking at the ending again, I thought it was pretty good.
Maybe he was only at the toilet.
This is probably the best fan theory
Capital zak
Thanks! I am a better genius than Urasawa. ;)
LMFAO! XDDD
@The D4C Gang President, you are EVERYWHERE
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I´ve never been so anxious and tense with an ending scene before. I just finished it a moment ago. There´re still shivers going down my spine.
bro my heart skipped a beat when i saw this scene
i never felt something like that watching a anime lmao
i wish i could watch this anime for the first time again,,
Wait another 4 years, you should have forgotten mowt of it by then
Johan is easily the most frightening character I've seen in any anime, dare I say in any show. The creator wanted to use the archetype of the Antichrist in order to convey the "supernatural" aspects of Johan, which of course weren't supernatural but rather something most people could not comprehend; how does a human comprehend such evil? He just wanted destruction.
I feel he could have accomplished more if he wasn't so fucking crazy lol
He was probably the WORST character I've seen in an anime, what a complete waste of time watching this shitty show. Fucking pussy
stinky hat
theblazer gr8 b8 m8
Crowzur Personally I loved the entire anime, including the ending. But don't just assume that because someone happens to dislike it that the only anime they like are ones with boobs and explosions. Some people prefer other types of anime. I really loved this anime/manga though :D.
Crowzur To be honest Johan's motives weren't that intelligent or hard to deciper. He just tried to remake his life to be similar to the story in the picture book, with the ending Bonaparte showed Anna in the Redrose Mansion. All the talk in the series about the end of the world and so on was more or less baseless. Most of the side stories (over two thirds of the show) were completely needless for the main story too. I thought that the series was good but the ending was disappointing.
I finished Monster yesterday and I think this ending is perfect. Everyone can interpret it differently and that's what makes it so special. Like H. Han already said, describing it as a masterpiece is an understatement.
for those who couldn't understand the ending,the context is that as Detective Lunge once mentioned that only a monster can leave room without a trace,we knew that earlier when Johan had disguised as Nina Fortner/Anna Liebert ,he lived in a specific apartment but then left it with no clue,but this time Johan did escape,with no news on whether he survived that jump or not,not being a monster but a human,just as Grimmer mentioned that he converted into a human or in the last episode,in Magnificent Steiner
There are many consequences that summed up to make Johan. First, him being a prodigy (right from childhood). Second, his deep understanding of emotions. The anime shows the purest love of the world, motherhood, abandoning its own state, child. Thereafter, the feeling of unwantedness that crept in Johan, made him the kind of monster, the world of monster had never seen.
That’s why Johan manipulated Milos in order to make him feel unwanted. Brilliant.
@@carlosbravo2971He saw millos as a naive version of himself. If you see Johan expression in his eyes during their conversation it brings back memories of his past believing the same thing as millos.
Man Johan was way ahead of his time giving Tenma that light skin stare.
😂
I can't think of any plot holes. I'm good with this ending.
me too
+Crono Well... Why Johann wasn't tied to bed in any way?
Anty-Cudak Prime No idea.
+Anty-Cudak Prime Well, he was in a coma...
9californication So? They thought he would never wake up? Suprisingly he did.
maybe he got amnesia and is working at Mcdonalds* (edit)...
😂😂😂
borger
😂😂👏👏👏
haahhaahahahhahh
Yeah he would be manipulating customer to buy more from McDonald's
Man, Johan could use some sunlight...
+Nicholas Butler Yeah thats why he went outside
+One above all OMFG
+One above all hahahhaa god........
Nick Butler germans don't tan very well...
yo man dont be a dick, not everyone is born a black privileged man
never in my life have i been happier to see an empty bed, this ending is amazing, simultaneously leaving the story on a cliff hanger whilst also wrapping up the plot in such a brilliant way,
Get the Shinigami eyes to see his name
Shinigami would be scared shitless, or at least see him as their equal and wouldn't give anyone his name
guitar lover L M A O
Imagine If His Mother Didn't Gave Him A Name, What Would Happen Then... Hmmm
LMAO where is Ryuk when you need him
Imagine she lied about giving both twins a name just nina
This anime deserves to be put on Netflix and become popular
Ikr?
No. It deserves live action by HBO. It's perfect for live action. I see 0 reasons for it have no live action
@@bait5257 you mean like a movie or a tv show?
@@lucacerullo3468 TV show. Like the mentalist or elementary
@@bait5257 casting Nina and Johan will be the hard part though as they have to be identical twins.
And please do not whitewash Tenma. Just don’t.
What I love about this scene is that it perfectly sums up Johan's character and philosophy, as well as a fatal error in this philosophy. By getting Tenma to answer his question, Johan then forces Tenma to acknowledge that not all lives are equal, which he believes. However, Johan doesn't understand that the question doesn't matter. I interpreted the mother's choice not as a subconscious statement declaring one child superior, but rather it shows a mother's struggle to choose between two children that she loves equally. This is Johan's greatest flaw,and really shows how twisted his mindset is.
Poor guy
That’s just your interpretation and subjective opinion, what determines that you’re right but Johan’s mindset is not?
But that's just one interpretation, doesn't mean that you're right.
I find it amazing, the whole time we kept wondering if Tenma would actually shoot Johan, but in reality the real question is would tenma save Johan again, this time knowing what he has done/ who he is.
We all know that Johan is one of the best (if not, then the best) antagonist, but I have to say Tenma is such an underrated protagonist. I guess it has something to do with some people not liking the ending? I'm really glad he didn't kill Johan though... It just didn't seem right for his character
Just finished the whole show,I have to say,it was a rollercoaster. Such a beautiful story that reflects upon the reality in which we live.The last scene of Johan gave me goosebumps and I was glued to the screen for 3 whole days.What a masterpiece.!
the goosebumps i had during this final scene.... the music, the story, the details and the confusion that this masterpiece gives to you are something else...
It's an amazing thriller for sure. One of the best animes I've watched
I just love Johann's stare in that scene. It fucking expresses everything. Like he wanted to say: Oh my fucking GOD!! You saved my live AGAIN? You idiot, all I wanted is death and you took it from me. Won't you ever learn how long I am alive, people will suffer?
At least I see it that way.
I just finished this anime today, and I think I spent the better part of the last hour staring out of my window.
This series will stick with me for the rest of my life.
We’re two now.
@@eddievilla5433three now:-)
4 people
5?
6th
If he got away, I wonder will he continue to kill. Somehow I think he won't.
Amane Misa I'm very interested in your theory. What makes you believe that? I personally feel as though he will continue as he has still not commited the perfect suicide. There are still many people who remember him and in fact may have become famous from the events in Ruhenheim.
Amane Misa There is a light novel sequel that actually confirms your thoughts.
Amane Misa I think he jumped out of the window aka committed suicide. His goal was to commit the perfect suicide with no one having any memory of him (except Dr. Tenma). In the end I think he realized that as he keeps killing those who remember him, he actually creates more memories about him. He became more infamous known as the Nameless Monster. Hence he realized there is no such thing as a perfect suicide and decided to just die lol.
What was the light novel called? I'd love to give it a read, also do you what chapter the ending was confirmed in (in the light novel)?
Crotea Sorry I think I might actually be wrong. I don't remember where I found the chapter info, but the novel is called "Another Monster" and it can be found mostly translated online.
Was it just me or did that opening scene scare the fuck out of anyone else? I'm going to assume it wasn't just me.
damn right it wasn't just you
Every hurt would've stopped at that moment.....
Such as of tenma's heart....
True and especially my heart stopped when they showed the bed empty and the window open
I had chills
It gave me a heart attack
Johan said he saw a monster that day and the only thing he saw in this room, when he looked up was his mother making decision of who she prefer. (the moment she become a monster, idea of choosing someone over another, facial expression of evilness and coldness)
THIS IS GENIUS AND SIMPLE.
Yes, true and because of this Tenma's hallucination we as audience also watched that monster that's why I love this scene.
ohh that's true...
Didnt he say Franz Bonaparta was the Monster?
@@hycran Concept is that there is no one monster, but for Johan it started with this scene (with he's mother) Everyone has he's first monster. And the most destructive one is when sadly it appears your beloved one and you are child at the same moment. Every serial killer case.
Is Johan really completely heartless, and unfeeling. I think not because, if he was, whether or not his mother made a mistake in which of her children were unwanted, he wouldn't care. He'd be unaffected. Yet in his last moments on screen that's the topic that he spoke about.
a good comment on a monster video?????im shocked
He only cares about his sister. And the fact that their mother choose her, broke himself. He always knows that he was the wanted, that's why he dressed like her sister.
@@ChagasJuan what no the mother made him dress like his sister because she was trying to hide from bonaparta by making it look like she only has one child. That's why Johan feels like he is unwanted by his mother and the world because he thinks she likes his sister more then him. And yes he do care about his sister I'm surprised that he didn't kill his mom..
Cristal Justice maybe he went to go do that
@@Morgan-xs5rf Good point.
I loved the ending, but then again I love all open endings. I think it mimics reality: that there is no such thing as a closed ending. one which you know all the details, in reality.
I'm only realizing now that it's so important that Tenma saved Johan despite all the trouble he did. He became a monster because he basically thought he wasn't wanted. He thought "all lives are equal, only in death", but Tenma saved him anyway.
It's really sad actually.
Just finished the show. This is Japan’s national epic. When we say something is perfect in media we usually mean nothing can be said to take away from it. That doesn’t always mean it’s the best there is. Yet this was both perfect and the best there is. I was left breathing heavy with a fluttering heart for a long time after. Even then, the feeling lingered. A true masterpiece.
Whenever I looked at Johan's face I saw a terrible empty sadness . His face would always change whenever he turned into a monster but still there was a vast emptiness on his face .
The music is perfect. Madhouse killed it with such an adaptation.
Do you know the name?
This anime will have a significant impact in my life. It's crazy to think that whatever happened in this anime could happen in real life or is happening. This anime isn't some fairytale or powers type of anime,it's psychological which makes it so significant to the real world depicting how humans can have such outlooks on life. Whoever has watched this entire anime now know what a monster is .
Just imagining a child going through such a predicament is horrific, what more if you'd be the child. Scarred for life.
If this serie were to be a real-life serie with good actors and actress this would have hit the Top 10s easily. What a shame this isn't as popular as Death Note... 😣😣😣😣 People think because the name is monster this serie is about monsters and about horror they should have named it something way more Attention worth. Best serie I watched about mystery!
No Live action please.
I dont think so... The movies made by copying content from anime are worse for eg. Of aot that movie sucks so bad couldn't watch for even a min (the one involving humans lol) and i believe same will turn out if a movie (with human actors) is made into anime it will suck.
Everything has its own value so its best left untouched.
@@bakugokatsuki229 u cant compare a thriller psychology like this to attack on titan
@@bakugokatsuki229 this can definitely be live action since the anime is so realistic
Monster is an anime which challenges your interpretation to a high level. There are so many references and bits of information you need to catch on, in order to understand something. The story is so well written that I appreciate the writer(Naoki Urusawa) for penning down such a underrated masterpiece.
0:04 at 0:13
Me waking up from a coma and see an evangelion fan sitting next to me.
Lmao
I haven't watched the anime but I did read the whole manga and I swear to god, Johan suddenly waking up and start talking gave me the biggest jumpscare of my life
Mostly manga is better than anime but here anime was same as good as or maybe better than manga.
@@Vipul6190 manga was better imo. The corny dialogues and 100 year old TV show sound effects just doesn't feel good
@@bait5257 hmm okay
I think that Johan committed suicide, based on his words and the story
''The monster without a name''. Johan is saying: ''Did my mother try to
save me, or did she mistake me for my sister, who was the one she didn't
want?'' this is the reason why he did it. In the book, one of the
monsters got eaten and this is how the end of the book is ''Even though
he had finally found a name, there was no one around to call him by
it.'' Which is implying that Johan finally found his name, but there is
no one who would care about him because of the crimes he committed. In
the end you see sky surrounded by trees which is assume is where his
body is laying, and at the end you see the bed next to the window, which
is hinting that he committed suicide. Quite the sad ending if you think
about it. Hate to say it, but i feel bad for him. This anime has an
even deeper meaning and that is ''Every life is equal''. In the previous
episode Johan wanted Tenma to kill him. This is why i love the bad guys
in animes, they are more realistic and more original compared to the
other characters. They all have realistic story, they all have a reason
for their hatred.
*****
This is also one of my theories, because he finally became a fictional character, but shouldn't there be police guarding him?
What if he escaped and what was actually a dream was Tenma talking to an empty bed?
Mau Jo
Sometimes horrific events cause you to hallucinate.
AlphaLeader772 Then Tenma could have hallucinated that he was back asleep in the bed after he hallucinated him waking up.
He didn't though. He was shown to be alive in Naoki Urasawa's Light Novel, Another Monster
EDIT: It was written by Werner Weber
We need more anime/series like this
Where a villain/antagonist is a centre of story and Protagonist and antagonist are completely polar opposite
"Everyone's life is equal" - Dr. Tenma
"Everyone is equal only when they're Death" Johan Liebert
For me, it's a brilliant ending. No anime has explored a story, summed it up, and executed it perfectly like Monster.
like light vs L
Yeah but instead you get some shit villian now who had unnecessary backstory and wants peace
Johan>>>>>All Naruto villian
To anyone who's wondering in ''Another Monster'' by Naoki Urasawa it is stated that Johan decided not to go on a murder spree and live normally
Is johan alive in another monster? I read a summary and that in the end someone says that there is someone who wants to repeat the experiment, right? And if who? Johan?
What is normal for Johan ?
I feel for him but that doesn't change the fact that he killed so many people. He should be institutionalised . But I also think he should have a second chance .
I call bullshit.
I really loved how the concept of who lives and who dies was done in this story. Tenma as a genius brain surgeon essentially is a god who decides peoples fates. Similarly to how Johan’s fate was decided by his mother all those years ago. When Tenma saved Johan the first time, he became intrigued with the idea of having someones life at the palm of your hands. In his own sick way Johan decided he was going to follow in his gods (Tenma and his mother) footsteps and be the one who chooses who lives and who dies. Including himself. The only difference being Tenma believes all lives are equal in birth. Johan believes they’re only equal in death.
And Tenma defeated Johan in his wrong philosophy when Tenma saved him and didn't shoot him.
I only read the Manga and the end was a mystery. The anime makes it clear, the mother didn't confuse anything. She sent Anna on purpose. In Manga there is no voice but in anime we can clearly see that the mother knew who was who by the voice
but I think it must have been a very high pressure moment.
before really difficult to tell things apart like voices, plus both her children looking the exact same wasn't much help either
still gives me the creeps
To this day one of the most haunting scenes of all time.
Because this is the scene where we as audience can also see the monster clearly which Johan was trying to show us... It was the belief that every life is not equal, yes! this belief is the real monster which exist in many humans just like he saw it in his mother but when Tenma saved him, he understood that this monster is not the ultimate reality and a human can become rea human who can love everyone equally.
So yes Johan finally became a human again in the end.
And in this scene it was not real Johan, it was just Tenma's hallucination which helped him to understand Monster that Johan was talking about.
@@KrishnaJarwal-kd2jc Very good, I really liked your point of view.
I want to believe that after he was recovered AGAIN he finally realized that people do want him here and he’s not alone. After Nina forgave him I feel like it did take a toll on him even though he made it seem like it was too late. I believe he walked out of the hospital and just looked up at the sky. That’s really all I can think of him doing. I don’t see him roaming around being friendly to everyone nor living life like nothing ever happened. But him, his sister, and his mom having a reunion would be something to see. Since Tenma hallucinated about Johan talking how his mother didn’t know who to choose, maybe he doesn’t really feel that way. I know he talked about her pretty badly but it makes me wonder why he wouldn’t kill her? If his plan was to erase his past or the bad things in society but kept her alive? I think he really does want to meet her and does want to know his real name.
Just what if Johan was actually part of Tenma. Real masterpiece.
No shit. And asking if you read the manga or not is irrelevant as the anime adaptation is exactly how the manga is; its "panel per panel". I was just mentioning if inspector lunge theory was correct. It be the biggest plot twist and mind blown in anime lol.
yeah the character development for lunge was great and he finally apologized. Actually after browsing around a more dark ending would be that Tenma would be blamed for all the murders. After johan does his "perfect suicide" tenma would take all the blame, since very few knew about Johan existence.
+Jimmy Two-Times Link
+Jimmy Two-Times Link
Johan was wish of tenma so gg if you wish something
Thank you for saving this, i allways feel a chill in my bones hearing that scream, love this episode.
this scene gives me chills every time
I just finished the show today and wow what a show. I hated johan for all the things he did but the last scene made me feel for him. I kind of understand his character a bit and how his childhood shaped him to what he is. The author did a great job writing this character and the character of dr. Tenma. What a joy and sadness to watch this show.
I just finished this series. I enjoyed it a lot.
I'm usually not one of those "You just don't understand [Blank]" people, but in the case of Monster's ending, I feel it necessary.
Fr
Johan's waking up and that stare freaked the shit out of me!
This Is way scarier in manga.
As soon as you turn the page over.... You see a 2- page spread of johan sitting on his bed menacingly and tenma's eyes about to pop out. Johan's expression was even more hedious in manga.
My heart was about to stop as soon as I turned over the page.
Because it's the last chapter and 2 to 3 pages are left. You won't expect something like this to happen right then and there right? So i was extremely relaxed.
Such an amazing series. All the characters are amazing and the story is so well done. I just finished it today and am so glad I decided to watch it.
Franz Bonaparta is the true monster.
*facepalm* The true monster is the mother.
AbrahamZX1 Bonaparta is the one who made her make a choice between her children, that's why he is the true monster.
No, he might be the one that pushed for the choice, but the true monster to the children was the mother. She chose to give one away, she ruined Johan's view of people, they were not equal to his mother. Therefore people weren't equal, and worse yet he never knew which one she thought was truly less than the other. That is the monster that Johan saw before him, his own mother.
+AbrahamZX1 Dude, he is the one who pushed her do the choice she had to fucking choose one, otherwise both of twins would be gone.She didn't had another fucking choice and this is the fault of franz the asshole, you say she is the monster for the choice but franz is not? he leave her no choice but sacrificing one of her children and that's why franz is the true monster.I know that choice fucked the twins up especially johan his whole life is ruined, i'm not saying mother is fully innocent but she had no choice, so franz is the true monster.
He never said he would be taking both in that scene and it's the action of choosing one that's so wrong. Franz was not the bigger monster there, she's the one that showed Johan that one had more value than the other, for whatever reason that she probably didn't even explain to them and at the end of things she still ended up losing both of her children.
this series would do well as live action tv series if done right..
To those who hate the ending because it was too confusing miss the point, the point of the series was figuring out who the monster was and Johan was a vessel for all the evil and it's called leaving it up to your interpretation, I personally like it that the ending is left open ended because explaining everything in detail would of be boring, like zero punctuation said a mystery loses all it's fascinating points the instant you explain them and it's more creepy the fact that we can come up with our own theories about the ending rather then what would actually be shown. Personally I like to think that as soon as tenma left the hospital Johan left to erase himself from the world completely and therefore he has committed the perfect suicide by leaving the world without leaving a single trace of the fact that he has gone he simply dissapears form the world, that's the way I look at it.
fate chose him to live again, i dont think he would commit suicide, just maybe try to live difffrently
I like to interpret the ending as Lunge said. He believes that every human leaves a trace behind. But only a monster can delete any sign of him being there. Johan was no longer the monster, because he did not tidy his bed, he was there. Left his trace.
Man this always, always gives me goosebumps. Such a life changing event. Almost makes me understand why he did all those things
Man this is a masterpiece the way the ending is it's just perfect. Amazing show no cap
This story ending and the thing about his mother was so sad to me....
2:03 This close-up is so amazing because it kind of looks like Tenma earlier in the show with the long hair and him being so stressed. After his life had been turned upside down. It also looks very similar to the same close-up shot at 0:21 seconds in the Anime Opening.
Realizing that this is where Johan really lost it. His nihilism and his future detestation for identifying factors like parents or names were all just a coping mechanism for this one moment. Instead of coming to terms with whether his mother loved him or his sister less or establishing empathy for his mother he simply decided to reject the notion of a life's importance altogether. Also, the fact that Johan is still asleep means that this is Tenma finally coming to understand which gives this scene so much more depth. Johan becomes grounded in this scene. His image shifts from that of some monster as the mask is ripped away to reveal a man.
Johan gave me a jumpscare when I first watched this scene