1996 Peterbilt 379 HUGE Disappointment in our Fleet (Peterbilt VS Volvo VS Kenworth VS Freightliner)
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
- What is the deal with older trucks? Why does Ronen think old trucks are 100% garbage? How much money is one of our drivers in a 1996 Peterbilt spending compared to other drivers in a Volvo, Freightliner and a Kenworth?
In this video, Ronen will be going over the stats on the 1996 Peterbilt in our fleet. He will compare the 1996 Peterbilt's fuel consumption stats to a Volvo, Freightliner, and a Kenworth with a Paccar Engine.
Also comparing monthly and Annually savings when driving a newer Unit. How much money are these older units costing just in Fuel difference? Does it make sence to continue to drive old units?
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Haha, He forgot about the high truck payment vs a paid off truck,cheaper insurance,def costs and how much easier and cheaper it is to work on older trucks.Oh yea and the most important thing is that 96 looks and sounds better while being elog exempt!
Bang on!
and paying tickets when using classic engine brake in no engine brake zones
A quiet truck that rides like a motor home beats good looks any day.
100% agree
200% true
The one thing you don't account for is lifestyle. For O/O that can be as important as money. I finished a 2020 glider last December and it was the same money as a factory built truck. The one thing I don't have is down time due to check engine lights. I have a friend with a 2020 kenworth that has been broke down for 6 weeks due to part shortage
i can see that, great point.
_Exactly bro, he did not taking a factor that this is a lifestyle for most of us, it’s more than a career a lot of people get into trucking to chase the money, I’m not in it for the money this is my father‘s legacy, I know that the money is going to be there for me._
_I go to truck shows all over the country to see my American trucking family and brothers Display their nicely built trucks that they put their work effort and investment into._
_Like my father a lot of men come out of the military wanting to get into trucking because they have been trained to serve their nation and what better way to do it has a man in trucking_
_If you don’t know what to do with the money that you’re making in terms of investing, then yes you are going to be a _*_“Money Chaser”_*_ (MC) in this business_
_I know drivers who owns acres and acres of land across the country, some of that land has been commercialized for truck drivers to park their vehicles, I know other drivers who have converted they’re owned land of deed into a sovereign private property and built a small community on that land and drives that one truck that he fixed and built up and still drives it today and he doesn’t even have to work_
How you manage one truck is very different than 20. My only source of income is one truck so it needs to be productive every day. Old technology may not be as efficient but for the most part it's more dependable
The math on the Pete is wrong. 11,500 Miles at 6.7 MPG is not 1,913 Gallons. The fuel savings is exaggerated or the MPG is incorrect.
@@jamesmatusiak8800 JM, EXACTLY!! His math is correct on the other three but not on the Pete as I checked his calculations the same way. Older truck = low truck payments or no payments. Best vehicle to own is one with no payments!!
$25k in fuel or $25k in truck payments. You’re going to spend it anyways. The average truck payment is $3000-$4000 a month,so what your videos has shown us is. You could be spending $500-$1500 more on your monthly expenses by owning a new truck.
That’s $6,000-$18,000 a year, imagine what you could really do with that kinda money.
Fuel prices fluctuate up and down over time. That truck payment won’t.
The higher cost of the parts in the truck or being at mercy of the dealership with “warranty”. Which if anybody knows you could be waiting for days or weeks. BUT that truck truck payment will still be there.
Currently there’s def Quality sensors national shortage,6-8months wait. Right there your big MPG means nothing.
Thank you, u nailed it ✌️ he won't get it, plus you can take off days, weeks and even months if u would like to cuz u don't have a truck payment of 3k + every month
You're paying for a new truck in your extra $2500 feul costs every month. You just don't realize it cause it's spread over your month everytime you feul up.
@@semiretired6033 I still make more money without stressing myself out I work relax, I don't have to worry about check engine light, breakdown, truck payment , I can take a day off or a week, I only work 9 months a year, i take off january, February and march.
@@semiretired6033 fuel costs r ups n downs n we don't have to work all month
In my case I like my freedom. No truck payments. My old pete is been good to me. I do alot of preventing maintenance. But I'm happy. I average 5.5 to 6.5mpg.
The Pete cost 60.000 Canadain a new truck 200.000 leaves140.000 Divided for extra fuel costs by 2500 =56 Months your Freightliner in 56 monthsis worth 15.000 Pete still worth 60.000
Considering my truck is paid off, that fuel bill is still cheaper than buying a new truck.
For a few years.
And more importantly, it scales with how much you work...unlike that truck payment.
@@690_5 in a few years if you bought a new truck it’d be time to trade it back in, older rigs cost far lest to maintain than the newer ones.
I’m also able to work on my own truck, and it is far easier to do without all the emissions. Saves me a ton.
Im gonna be more reliable for 5 years with less money in repairs or service then your junk Crapcadias and Vulvas. I dont own a Peterbilt by the way. I own one of the last GOOD Freightliners. Not that new JUNK.
6.7 is actually really good for that generation of truck! Good job to that driver!
I respect your view point but when it comes to 100% running the northeast a Peterbilt 379 going 70 to 75 mph is getting the same mpg as a freightliner Cascadia going 60 to 65 mph if the freightliner even can even do that. Also the engine brakes on the DD15's aren't nearly as good as a Cat C15 or Cummins making the steep hills much more dangerous. New trucks have their spot but the pre-emission trucks are not junk by a long shot. Also I would enjoy seeing a purely cost of maintenance video new vs. old
There are more new trucks in the shop vs old. But on the road there are more older trucks. New truck sits 2-3 weeks at the shop for a def issue and your still making a $3000 payment per month on it, and your driving it away with the same issue most likely. Older truck anyone can work on. And remember, new trucks also break down and have maintenance.. no one talks about old school parts lasting longer than this new 2020 stuff... An older CAT will have a million miles on original turbo and fuel injectors VS new stuff that goes all the time on you. No one talks about that, and on top you got a whole DEF system to maintain on top of that with a $3000 monthly payment. Yes the new trucks look sexy, but I'm here for freedom not financial struggle.
I was just about to make this point. 10 of my drivers they have Kenworth‘s freightliners all new trucks. And evade drive 7075 mph via getting tarps 7.2 7.5. Now you can argue with fact that all you can drive 60 miles an hour however if you calculate in a month that can mean that you get that one 100 extra miles a day and there’s gonna be like two loads a month extra so it breaks for point dad oh you can save my fuel cost yes but you can make more money byBy getting extra loads. Sorry for any typos I use speech to text thank you
@@theone6282 you make an excellent point
Dependability is still a big factor in guys keeping older trucks on the road.
I don't think old Pete getting 6.7 mpg while running 70 to 75 mph , it won't get higher than 4 to 5 mpg running 75 mph .
Keep the good content coming Ronen. I love how you bring data to combat people's opinions and anecdotal statements.
Thank you! Much more to come. Please share the content! 😊
I like how he doesn’t talk about the Pete is a paid off truck, has no Def cost at all. Also when anything happens to my C15 the longest I’ve ever been done was a week. New trucks now are sitting in the shop for weeks to get repairs, yet you still have 3-4K truck payment while my 05 W9 is paid off completely. My only major cost is fuel
So, maybe I'm just bad at math, but...
Volvo 11500 miles driven, divided by 8.8 MPG equals 1306.81~
11500 / 8.8 = 1306
Cascadia 11500 / 8.6 = 1337
Kenworth 11500 / 8.4 = 1369
All these numbers check out. However...
Peterbilt 11500 / 6.7 = 1716 (Which is less than the 1913 you listed in the spreadsheet)
now, the formula worked on the other 3 trucks(the ones you prefer) but is different from the Pete(the one you dislike). I'm just curious on how the numbers are different.
If we take this new number, 1716 gallons consumed and we multiply it by 3.40 a gallon(average price you listed, we get $5834.40. This makes it only roughly $1200 more expensive than the Kenworth, and only $1400 more expensive than the Volvo. So yes, you are correct. The Peterbilt is more expensive to operate on a per mile basis, if you account for FUEL ECONOMY only. Factor in the cost of repairs, rebuilds, maintenance... We don't have those numbers here, so we can't honestly compare them.
In short, Ronen, please double check your math, sir. You are technically correct still, however you should be honestly correct. There is more to trucking that Fuel Economy. Just my two cents on the matter.
Interesting. I would be curious to see comparison with DEF considered on the new trucks and the truck payment. I’m sure that would narrow the margin of profit for the new trucks. I believe Ronan did a comparison already about this. Loving the content coming from this channel thanks!
Great point! but DEF is minute, maybe 200 - 300 Dollars per month.
I pay $1 a gallon for DEF 15 gal a week. $120 a month.
@@marine3836e I pay $2.80 a gallon. 3.8 gallons every 500 miles in a Mack MP8 500hp.
@@montecraig7032 That’s 2c per mile
The DEF consumption is about $1200 - 1500 per year on average
when your in the office making $15/hr and going home 5pm... It's a different ball game vs truck driving... When you drive the new truck... Why don't you talk about def issues? why don't you talk about $2500 truck payment every month? I drive an old truck and my repairs are not even close to that monthly... Maybe 1/10th of that monthly.. why don't you talk about way higher insurance cost monthly for brand new? You cant just compare MPG and come to a conclusion. Thats what my 2 year old would do, but he's young so that's an acception.. With driving old trucks, I'm debt free since age 26... And no truck is 8.9mpg, look into IFTA data, not what the computer shows.. love your channel but very incorrect math. Why don't you talk about def cost for new truck? If new truck breaks, your in the shop 3 weeks and driving away with same issue... An old truck any trailer shop can work on.. anyone can... And believe me I drove new and old, it's not $2500 a month in fuel cost... It's around $800 a month difference.. I drove everything out there.
I've tried to explain this to people as well. Yes under ideal conditions a new truck will outperform a old long nose. But that's operational expenditure. They never factor in the now $3,200 dollar payments.
And the big elephant in the room is the fact these new truck aerodynamics do nothing until you reach speeds over 65mph.
I own a 2014 Pete 579 and if pulling a van I could get 7 to 8 mpg as long as there was no hills... but seeing as I pull a cage tire wagon with over grown tires full mileage is around 5.5 mpg. As for the emissions I had to have it fixed 😉. And my truck pulls best around 70mph .. knowing what I know now I would have got me a pre 99 model.
I am 100% with you brother. It’s ridiculous to hear a truck makes 8.9 mpg. Unless your running empty all the time. Come on $4500 fuel per month doesn’t add up. Fuel prices right now are crazy high. On my 2012 389 I am averaging $2400-2800 on fuel. I run CA to Midwest every week mainly hwy80, hwy15.
Your comparing a 25 year old truck to a brand new truck. try doing that in 25 years with these 2021 trucks all will be sitting in a junkyard. At least the Pete isn't rusting away. And "what can you do with $2500 a month"... make the truck payment on your new trucks.
Very interesting for sure! A few reasons I would STILL take the 379
1. They’re too dang cool, I’ll take the hit and drive something that I love 🤷♂️
2. As mentioned below the ROI would theoretically be much better if you bought a good used unit
3. EMISSIONS 🤢
4. I would have to believe that repairs would be cheaper and if you’re a handy person a lot of these trucks can be worked on by you!
A few questions I have for you !
1. In that same time frame how much did each of those spend on DEF ?
2. What are the repair and maintenance cost differential between old and new in a 1 year timeframe?
3. How heavy are these trucks ? (I’m hauling 80k almost all the time in a 6nz swapped 389 and I’m averaging 6.5mpg)
4. Does it cost less to insure the 379?
I'll like to see the answer !
Yeah no shit he doesn't mention stuff like that
Right. I see those plastic fairings flopping in the wind after 3 to 400, 000 miles. Resale is crap on them. Why that old Pete will be worth more than 2 of the others in 6 years. Mack had an Instagram add saying 11mpg. I told them if they let me test it for say 90 days and I get even 10 mpg I will buy it. No reply.
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For some Drivers it’s about the Look, an Style… Since your NOT behind the wheel, You’ll never get it :/
Gotta factor in truck payment, and def, plus overall repair prices. Fuel is only burned upon use, not only it’s a variable expense after use rather than a guarantee. Insurance is more expensive. I can take more time off and not feel pressured to work for that 200k truck note.
Because they dont have truck pmt every month. Thats why they have older trucks.
I like this guy. He knows his stuff. He’s absolutely right. I subscribed.
I’d like you to add in the cost of DEF and recalculate those numbers. I just bought a 1990 379 with rebuilt engine. No truck payments. Hoping I fair better than your calculations. Haven’t put in on the road yet tho. I’m currently a company driver hauling produce with a freight liner cascadia getting 7.1mpg.
thaks for the feedback, let us know how that unit does.
Company Volvo trucks get 7 MCG running Northeast
New engines are more fuel efficient that's for sure but when choosing a truck, you need to consider so many factors. I'd buy a 2021 Peterbilt but not a Volvo.
Also all their trucks are governed to 65, when I run 65 on my W9 I get about 7.4, I typically run 71-73 on cruise getting about 6.5-6.8, problems with new engines are parts and more shit to break. The part shortage isn’t helping when guys are selling a $200 def sensor for 7k
@@lilripstaSSF4 i drive 2018 volvo 780 and mostly at 73 mph and never get 8 mpg. Its company truck and im saving to buy pre emission classics for myself. All those used aero dyne trucks prices are insane and brand new volvo is $235k with $100k downpayment and who knows when you get it. and if rates go down I can park classic as i buy it cash whereas 235k truck have to work as payments are there.
Not just about Mpg, It's about driver confort. The suspension is like Cadillac or Lincoln, the Cascadias suspension is more comprable to an old Dump truck. That and paired with a C-15 CAT will get to your delivery faster then everybody else, and up hill your the first one up the hill. Dont be confused, 550Hp is the starting number on that big CAT 🦁. 6.7 Mpg is very good, with some work you can have alot more MPG.
Hello Ronan, its an interesting video. In regards to fuel cost’s, you are right. Figures don’t lie. But in my opinion you should consider all data. Which means: DEF, repairs, insurance rates etc. Maybe your savings with a new truck shrink together. Beside the cost’s there’s also comfort, convenience and space.
DEF, i agree Repairs i agree with.
Comfort, New truck totally win that department.
Insurance Rates, i dont think make a differance here in Canada, in the US, i dont know.
But you are right, i just took the FUEL Portion of it.
Okay, once again you made your point, yes a new truck gets better fuel milage than an older truck. You should have gone deeper into it, you should have shown average idle time, and average speed driven. I would also be interested in seeing you show break down time, time in shop, maintenance records at the end of the year. There's no one that gonna a argue fuel milage with you, but that's not the only reason guys want to keep these older trucks on the road, dependability is still a big factor. A lot of these guys don't trust the newer trucks. The mid to late 2000's left a lot of guys scared to death when it comes to the technology of these new trucks. And to start off by calling older trucks garbage, is not the way to make friends, I would like to see a new Cascadia, still on the road in 25 years, and the maintenance records for that truck, I bet you'll find you can buy another complete truck for what you end up spending in maintaining one of these new trucks over the same time period. One more thing Ronen, you've said it yourself, you aren't a driver, you don't know the bond some guys have with an their trucks, it's a part of them, and no amount of money saved is going to convince them any differently.
I think you’re definitely right . Thank you for the video
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But when you add up the cost per mile which includes pmts. Insurance and 2 to 3 weeks down time waiting for someone to figure out how to fix. And 2 to 3 weeks of list wages
So what would def cost per year ? Also what is the cost of EGR DEF related repair cost you over , lets say 5 years.
Everything you said is right I keep saying the same thing on my videos good for you my man
Would be nice if you included what weight comparison each truck had also how are you getting the stats for the Pete being a 96 and probably doesn’t have a ecm. I am not dising your video i am just curious. I had a 2018 Cascadia averaging 8mpg
You would have to drive one to understand why we love these 379 peterbilts and the extra money we spend is worth it to us
Exactly, you’ve got to do what’s best for you!
@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News The suspension is like Cadillac or Lincoln, the Cascadias suspension is like an old Dump truck or 1980s truck. That and paired with a C-15 CAT will get to your delivery faster then everybody else, and up hill your tge first one up the hill. Dont be confused, 550Hp is the startinv number on that big CAT 🦁
What about the added cost of DEF? Is that not added into fuel cost? Also what about the cost of all the dpf issues, sensors, constant downtime..?
Had a Def quality sensor go on me last month in New Mexico. The truck is still sitting at freightliner. The part is on backorder may get fixed next month. The warranty won't let you put a used or non oem one in.
I was lucky, only cost me two days and a $1000 💩
I completely understand the fuel saves and I remember your debate with the owner operator (sorry forgot his name). You touched on it at the end of this video about all of the sensors and computer bugs being worked out. However, I have been listening to Kevin Rutherford on Road Dog XM and he says there are thousands of these new trucks broke down for 30 days plus because of the microchip shortages. Most of these new trucks are experiencing the same sensor problems and the one sensor shuts the whole truck down. Now all of these broke down trucks are sitting at the dealerships/mechanic shops for 30 days plus, all waiting on one sensor that no one can get... 30 days out of commission could end a small trucking company... Where these old trucks shine (not only do we love the old school look) is that they are "simple" machines. Especially if you own an old mechanical vehicle, one could argue that you could go anywhere and have a part fabricated fairly quickly and get the truck back on the road.
I appreciate the video and the time you have put into the topic, but this above is another part of the equation to look at. This is the reason why I personally opted out of buying a "newer" personal pickup for an old, simple mechanical pickup. In my opinion and as a former automotive technician, the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) theory trumps new technology any day.
pretty much have to agree with what you say there, i don't think the supply chain problem is going to end overnight and with these new trucks breaking down, being a new o/o or a even a lease op. that could probably set you back really bad financially or possibly bankrupt you
thanks for the feedback, appreciate it.
Stay tunned more coming.
The Peterbilt is not getting over 6 miles a gallon... what speed did they average? What trailer they pull?
How many hours did all of these truck idle while they were out? Is the guy in the peterbuilt really driving it like he has some since? What kind of engine is in the Peterbuilt? Is it tuned and built right?
Hi Ronen love your videos I think they are very focused and intelligently done! I'm glad I found your channel. Look I got a question to ask not related to this video topic, I'm looking for the best truck driving school (class A licence) in the GTA area and I just don't know who else to ask since you guys are very knowledgeable in this business can you please give me a hint on this? Thank you Will.
I would really like to know what rear end gear is in all these trucks. If the 1996 357 has 3.90 rear gears then these numbers would make sense. I wish we could get normalized data with all the trucks using the same rear gear. Also, I think these older trucks would make sense for vocational work. I.E. construction and other types of internal short haul applications.
You made your point and it make sense
How much did the arrow truck O/O spend in....
DEF FLUID
TRUCK PAYMENT
INSURANCE
AND TAMPONS?
Also when you talk longevity how much does it cost to rebuild or replace a motor in a aero truck versus a hood?
Excellent video, and great information, my mind is always on mpg. The older truck is owner friendly when it comes to maintenance, repairs and can save big bucks. Those newer trucks need to go to a dealer for diagnostics/repairs and that can be pricey!
Plus those old trucks are fun to drive!
Thank you for your positive feedback!
So you'd be happy if the Pete increased the mpg say to over 8?? Any videos on how to increase mpg on older trucks???
Calculate def and down time for check engine light. Plus the more you work the more the government smile
Wht speed limit they governed at and whts the gear ratio?
The thing about new trucks is that you've gotta get rid if them quicker than an older truck. All hell breaks lose after 300k miles in a newer truck.
Hi Ronen, do i understand well, does these other guys save there lease payment? So you buy a new truck, save soo much money on your fuelcosts, that will pay your lease payment? Very intresting🤔
Why does the pete haul the same stuff as the freight and volvo make the pete haul oversize loads it has alot more down right power made for it ?
Keep bringing the facts bro. I rather have more money in my pocket!
Much more to come! Stay tuned 😊
Can you give me specs on the peterbilt? Gear ratio tire size on all trucks.
If it's all about aesthetics and good looks is it possible to to put a new engine under the hood of the Pete?
It's possible to by a brand new Pete even
What about monthly truck payment
Insurance difference
And maintenance difference
I agree that they are more efficient when it comes to mpg, but if you are a owner you need to look at bigger picture.
It's one word Emissions lol. As someone who is in a mechanic shop I have seen more people cry with a newer truck than an older one because guess what when it goes down, it goes down. No they have not figured that out yet and to be very honest it can never be made reliable so any real driver who doesn't want too much of a headache will obviously choose an older unit as it will allow them to run peacefully. There is a reason why a DD15 rebuild is in the 30ks and a DD60 rebuild is around 15k, things add up quickly there. Also if it is a 1 truck operation a driver can't have the truck down for the long wait periods it takes for certain parts. Ronen isn't wrong with the fuel economy comparison but you can't forget how quickly things can go south when 1 of these trucks goes in to the shop.
i agree.
Appreciate the comments and feedback
Try out one of the new Pete ultra loft trucks specked out for otr and compare to your current fleet. Glad to see some new kenworth comparison numbers. Thanks
Noted! Thanks for your feedback Erick.
Well you didn’t compare how much does it cost to fix this for revealed in comparison to the new trucks and it’s a myth that while it’s in the warranty you’ll get fixed at zero cost of your items that you have to take out of pocket items but we’re out so you have to factor in vets.
Do you set up consultations for questions?
What about the Mack pinnacle 64t? I LOVE petes but after hauling with a pinnacle 64t I absolutely fell in love with it now I want a pinnacle 64t! In the end of the day data is data and its hard to justify!
Very good video on comparing fuel consumption but there is a few things that need to be added in the total cost of rolling newer or older. One the Def consumption on newer truck that should be added to the fuel consumption, maintenance in the long term, compared shop bills from newer truck to older trucks. I saw the first video you guys did on comparing older trucks to newer and you got my curiosity, so I started doing same thing with my trucks to see if it’s truth. Just to mention I’m in the waste hauling ( rear loader, roll off, tractor trailer) I got full range of older trucks to brand new one. The oldest is a 1994 and 1995 mechanical engine no electronics and the new one are 2020.
My older 1994 and 1995 yes they consume more fuel then the newer one the 2020 and 2019 but when adding the maintenance cost and Def used it all most the same the only avantage it the down time on older trucks they rarely broke down and when there down, there fix in a few hours. When comparing to the one in the beginning 2000 (2004, 2005, 2007 they get a little better economy add the end of the month when adding total cost of operation but it’s not a big enough to say don’t by newer truck or don’t go in older trucks. I know hwy is a complete different games. For me in conclusion I’ll still buy newer trucks and older trucks I’ll need to know the history of that truck before buying.
Just to mention all the trucks I compared was trucks that was bought new I didn’t compared the used one
How do you feel about a new 389
What % of fuel is a tax write off?
The 1996 engine will last longer because it can breathe better no?
The aspect of engine life has to be thrown in the mix.
Why are you not including the total cost of ownership over say five years? That includes the difference in capital expenditures between the purchase price and the eventual sale price, the maintenance costs, the downtime costs, as well as fuel, insurance, taxes, etc. I would be very curious to see the real TCO numbers, not just the cherry picked fuel costs alone.
What is the ROI? I would imagine that the 1996 Peterbilt would cost significantly less than the Volvo or Cascadia so it would take sometime to make up the difference in upfront cost.
How do these numbers compare to a new Peterbilt or International? I have very little knowledge of the trucking business but would think that it comes down to operating cost per mile.
If you are lucky, you can do 6 mpg but most of these trucks do not even make 5 mpg , but it also depends on your engine! 😁👍
Facts! Thanks for sharing.
Once again, you compare apples to oranges. Compare my 45k 2012 columbia glider kit to a new truck. My truck hasnt been in a hook the 5 years I have owned it, gets as high as 9mpg us gallon, and is by far the cheapest truck on the road to repair, you can get it fixed anywhere, down time, which is the real killer, is nil. My maintenance is just over .08c a mile. My accountant is telling me to spend some money on the truck as I have no write off left in it. So, new apu, and fresh frame and cab paint over the next year.
You can push your new trucks so you can fill them with fleece operators, but an older, aero, detroit, pre emission truck is the real money maker. Hands down.
There are two reasons to drive old trucks:
First the total cost of the truck by lifetime. Inclusing the cost of buying the truck!
Second it could be just for fun.
What do you think about newer kw & peterbuilts. Sub 5yrs old
i dont have the analitics for them. so really cant say.
He's getting better fuel mileage than me in a 2020. 😲 what is your horsepower? I'd also say that '96 probably doesn't have a payment like your newer trucks. A brand new truck is going to run you around $2500/month for 5 years, then you are gonna have to replace it because these newer engines don't last, so the monthly payment continues anyhow. So... on the end you may only be pinching pennies because you are just transferring 1 expense to another.
There is something very import And you are not talking about?
Emissions, engine restriction, mechanics bills in one year what would it cost to keep on truck on the road vs new trucks with all restrictions! I provably rather pay more in fuel than mechanics bills I like to see what you guys think?
I doubt I’m going to take advice for trucks by a guy who wrote “Packard Engine”
Why dont you include more data, like repairs and truck payments. Also, owner ops don't get fleet discounts on new trucks. How much would it cost for an owner op to upgrade to a new truck every 3 years?
i dont think he would need ot upgade every 3 years, technology is moving fast.
Repairs and truck payments, definitly agree with you. Stay tunned.
Good video! Keep it up the nice content but don't tell us old is junk. They might use more fuel but the men and women who drive these trucks rather be in a truck they love wasting fuel than on a crapy partyboat wasting whiskey.
And nobody goes to a truck show to see a Volvo or Cascadia. Gotta respect whatever a driver chooses to own
I love it when I pass those crappy plastic trucks up the hill 😉.
What about all the down time you’ll have right now when that def sensor goes bad? That Pete will still be rolling while the nice new truck is in the shop.
How about showing downtime, and cost of repair comparison. I still agree with Brian's assessment, that with the older truck, I don't have the Truck Payments, and the repairs are cheaper.
Also, by installing an APU on the older truck, I can reduce idling, which will show up as increased fuel mileage. If my truck burns 1 gallon per hour Idling, and an APU burns 1/10th of a gallon per hour, That's 9 gallons saved during each 10 hour rest period! At this point, I have just about matched, Or beat, the fuel mileage of your new truck, AND, my maintenance cost just dropped, because Idling causes the most wear on an engine.
I respect the guys opinions on the newer trucks but as a one-man owner operator it is actually cheaper for me to buy older trucks especially for what I haul
You forgot to mention pride of ownership, load possibilities that'll come up, connections that'll be made, how you set your truck up and how you drive it..... There's many things.... If you only look at trucking from behind a desk in an office then obviously you're gonna be a bean counter.... If you're looking at trucking from the perspective of an owner op that loves the lifestyle and all that comes with it, they want/need a hood.... Not to mention how much easier it is to work on a big hood.... And respect.... Waaaaay more respect....
I have both in my fleet
a 2019 volvo vnl 860 with d13
and 1995 freightliner fld 120 with detroit 60 series.
volvo gets 7.5-8.0 mpg
fld gets 6.0-6.5 mpg
fuel on average 2000 mile/ wk we do
at 3.75 $ per gallon =
volvo = $1000
fld 120 = $1250
in matter of insurance. volvo is $1340/ month
fld 1030/ month
as far as maintenance,
last year (w oil changes and repairs )
FLD cost me $12,700
Volvo = $5,200
payments
freightliner fld 120 = $0 . ( got it for 20k few years ago and repaired it fully)
Volvo VNl = $3060 a month got it new 2 years ago
The real difference comes in Downtime
FLD. almost none. this 2020. it broke down 4 times. both under 1day. once a $70 pressure sensor. $390 starter. $20 hole in coolant silicone hose. wiring issue needed professional mechanic to come snd was a ground cable $720 due to taking 8 hrs to repair
Volvo broke down 7 times. 13 weeks no revenue and hotel staying and eating out and waiting on parts. sure warranty helps but lost revenue is in 10’s of thousands waiting on parts and waiting on dealership to do diagnostic.
my final verdict. i’d take older truck anday over new truck
Another great video, thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Its like comparing a steam locomotive to a diesel electric. More reliable vs more efficient. If you only have 1 truck you need reliability more than efficiency. If you have access to multiple trucks you need efficiency more than reliability.
An older engine uses more fuel... big surprise. What I'm interested in is the total cost of ownership (maintenance fees, lease payments, insurance, depreciation of the truck).
I really wonder who will bring more money home if you compare the total cost of ownership and not just the fuel consumption
Been there done that Paccar promised me 8 miles to the gallon they even convince me to get an automatic..........
At best the truck was seeing 7 miles to a gallon not to mention once the warranty was up which I bought a certified used Kenworth the truck started costing me about $10,000 every month other month with emissions and wiring problems .... Not to mention the tows and loss of revenue and the dealer only service network.
But the driver the Peterbilt is still cooler,lol! You also have to factor in thatbhe most likely does not have a truck payment. A truck payment would easily cost him more than the $25,000 a year. Also factor in depreciation, that Peterbilt will not likely lose any more value in the foreseeable future if anything it may gain value. A brand new Freightliner that you pay $150,000 for five years later is only worth $75,000. Perhaps the Peterbilt just isn’t in the proper element, that caterpillar engine would be better suited for heavy haul applications were a Cascadia wouldn’t be able to survive as well. I know there’s pros and cons both ways but both trucks have their place
i think you sell at year 3 for 100k, and buy the 2024 truck with a higher down payment.
This is a Apples to Oranges argument. If you're a fleet with a large line of credit, sure you're going to want those new throw away trucks like a Freightliner or Volvo. Because when the warranty is up you dump them for another throw away truck...and you know the resale on them is garbage. You know it would cost a fortune to keep them legal (un- deleted) and try to get 1.8 million miles like that ..C'mon. Be serious. New trucks are junk. So many sensors and after treatment issues...smh. My hood with a CAT is far more reliable and no E-Log. Consider my resale value to a throw away truck, it's not even close. Stop obsessing with this argument. You're in a different situation than a TRUE owner operator, one who dispatches himself not leased on. Etc
At the end of the day people made money with those Peterbilt's and long hood kw's etc. Are you saving money with new aero dynamic trucks.. Yes. But a person should drive what they want considering all the sacrifice otr trucker's make.
I’ll get hate but I agree with you, I’m not a driver now as I’m disabled but hell unless the new trucks require 30k of repairs a year (which they don’t) then you just can’t justify old trucks from a business point of view. As an owner operator it’s your call do I want a brand new pick up truck every couple of years or do I want an old hood truck. It’s up to you and I’ll never knock anyone’s choice but me I’d go new truck every time and spend the money I save on classic cars and new pick up
Do a one more comparison. With your 2018 volvo vs peterbilt 96 re sale value.
Hi I have a 1989 Peterbilt 379 with a big cam 4 Cummins 15 speed transmission flattop I would choose over any short nose curbsniffer truck any day
Brother you didn't add the truck note payment of the new trucks. And you didn't add the after treatment system maintenance cost. Also you didn't mention that if that red 1996 peterbilt will hold the value for ever. And the new trucks lose 24% value right out the of the lot. That man can sell the Pete 10x faster then the volvo 5 years from now.
How about repair cost average sensors compared to no computer
Good stats but truck is probably paid off. Down time is another concern with new truck. One thing breaks 1-2 weeks in shop. Average is probably 8-10 week a year or more. 12,000miles a month is now 6k-9k miles a month. Now 6k-9k miles. And if the truck broke down 8-10 times a year with 1-2 week down time. That’s a lot of miles keeping in consideration old trucks break down too but parts are usually available since no emissions. Emissions parts that makes you wait a lot. I still rather have 6.5-7 mpg over a breakdown machine lol.
DEF is a cost that cannot be ignored. At roughly $1.0 Canadian per liter it’s about $0.025 a mile.
Another thing that can’t be ignored is the $180/hr shop rates for engine work. Sure you can find an independent mechanic for $100/hour or you can do a lot yourself. But I figured out a long time ago that my time as a mechanic saves me less than my time as a driver earns.
Buying a truck new and keeping it 20 years was a viable option in pre emissions days but buying a pre emissions truck used in 2021 is Russian Roulette.
Even if the monthly payment equals the repairs, I think you’re better off with a 2022.
In 20 yrs I want to know how much it spending def, sensors and all computers crap in those volvos, freightliner. After 20 yrs in hard services those petes and kws stills rolling pretty.
My cascadia has a air pressure alert that goes on and off at random times but the air pressure gauge and compressor are fine. Too many bells ringing and whistles blowing all at once. Ya don't get that with old school trucks.
So I have a 1992 Pete with a detriot, I dont have a payment/Junk sensors/ Random junk services or even have to see the dealer or a tow truck. NO PAYMENTS.. If you want a new 389 they have a different gear ration with the same engine.... I justify owning my own truck. Ill pass on the new junk trucks
What about resale value and rebuild ability How much is a used up Volvo Worth ? Where Will a Volvo be in 24 years?
Recommend paying cash for a truck instead of getting payments? I have about 60k saved up in the business account.
I would have to rent a trailer, or lease on to a company to haul their trailer, or lastly just focus on power only loads.
Also, I live in California so emissions plays a role in my purchase.
In the last video he made a case for buying with cash from a private seller. You won't get as good a price at a dealership with cash as if you used their financing.
Put 30k down on a brand new cascadia. 5k down on a brand new wabash trailer. 5k for business / start up expenses and first month insurance. Keep 20 in the bank for emergencies. Good luck bro!
@@usa174 Appreciate the advice. Thank you.
I'm in business to make money the heck with the old school nostalgia trucks.
the extra fuel cost still beats being on back order for emission parts.
Heres my point of view: 1. In 5-7 years the volvo and cascadia are probably going to be worthless in terms of resale. 2. You HAVE to make that truck payment every month for a new truck. You don't have the flexibility to take days off when you feel like it. Vs with an older truck thats payed off like that pete you can take time off whenever you feel like it. Sure the Pete eats more fuel but at the same time im sure that older motor is a hell of a lot more reliable than the newer trucks. Any mechanic no matter where you are could probably fix something relatively easy compared to the new trucks. Anything happens to the new truck it will be going straight to the dealer.
Computer modules, parts availability and DPF and SCRs. A DPF breakdown can cost almost 25k to replace. Sincerely a truck repair shop owner. If i was a owner OP id be looking for a pre 2004 truck for sure
Actually is surprising that you're saying that Cat engine is doing 6.7 mpg. I drove 3 different 379's with Cat's and none of them reached the 6 mpg mark. Now I drive a 2016 389 with a Cummins and it only makes 6.4 mpg. I completely agree that the savings with a Volvo or Cascadia are huge but many times I can do runs that I could not do with one of those trucks, I lose money on fuel but I definitely can do more runs with 605 HP and 2050 lb-ft of torque , specially in my case that I run a lot of mountain, make my days easier.
Great comment. Thanks for sharing Douglas!
And that’s why when a long nose truck passes me like I’m parked and i look at them i just laugh 🤣 peace out ✌️stay safe out there drivers.
looool i like what you would do with that 2500. i will get my license on the end of the month from Humber then some experience then i will try to join your team/fleet if possible.
1996 Pete probably has about 2,500,000. They are an owner operator truck. Their not made for idiots that buy Freightliners. They are junk from this 50 year drivers stand point. I haven't driven a good Freightliner since 1985.
Are all them manual or auto
That Peterbilt mpg is actually high , most of them get around 5mpg 😬😬
I do flatbed with a 03 379 I'm run like 1300 miles on a full tank of full running 72mph
Not having to use the ELD probably the main benefit. Aside from looking like a badass
Why don't you like using an ELD? Is it because you want to break the law by going past the allowed time? And if you are manually doing it, you can cheat and change the time to work in your favor? If you are legal without ELD, you will be legal with ELD. Stop breaking the laws.