AN OLD SCHOOL TRUCK VS 2022 FREIGHTLINER CASCADIA: A COMPARISON OF THE DRIVING EXPERIENCE!
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- Опубликовано: 24 июн 2021
- An Old School Truck vs 2022 Freightliner Cascadia: A Comparison of the Driving Experience. In this video, Dave takes the new Cascadia for a spin as well his 2004 Peterbilt 379, an old school truck, and examines the differences in the actual driving experience. Interesting comparison!
After driving each truck, Dave takes a look at:
- Automatic vs. Manual
- Digital Dash vs.
- Long Hood vs Drop Hood
- Cab Noise
- Ride Quality.
- Jake Brake
- Trailer Brake Placement
- Turning Radius
- Electronic Sensors
- Sleeper Berth Doors
- Longevity and Warranty
- Engine Strength
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Good Day to You, Big Strapper. Thanks for dropping by to check out today's upload. What are your thoughts on the 2 trucks we compared? Which would you prefer, given the comparison, the Cascadia or the Old Pete? Love to hear your thoughts. Special thanks to GP Transco for their generosity in allowing Dave to test drive one of their new rides.
I'm 28 and I'm not a fan of the new trucks. I was trained on and got my license in a early 90s Mack with a 13 speed. I prefer the older trucks. There was a case of a new Peterbilt with similar safety gadgets as the Cascadia. Something malfunctioned and basically dynomited the truck hauling a load of steel. Almost took the drivers life.
I only run trucks in our repair facility yard, but even there, I am not at all a fan of trucks that try to think for themselves. I've had the automatic trucks try to shift right when I'm backing a heavy trailer over our bit of a door sill, and it feels like you're gonna drop the damn driveshaft. Also been stuck on an icy yard because of being unable to select my own gear. Old school rocks, and I love the older Petes like yours. Also have a love for Western Stars.
Old school trucks would be my first choice but the cascade would drive smoothly and quiet! Then my biggest pet peeve would be these automatic tractors to each is own! I've driven an automatic again prefer old school manual! #keepontruckin 😉👍🏼💯
Hmm! Honestly new drivers couldn't handle his old school truck because they can't shift manual transmission (wuzzy automatics)! 😉👍🏼💯
I learned to drive on a 1956 hardnosed LJ mack with a 237hp 675ENDT and a 5x4 Mack quad box tranny, boy was that truck fun to drive!
Did anyone actually think he was going to choose the freightliner over his truck? Hahahaha
Haha!!! Hell no.
He’s driving an automatic!! 😂😂
Of course not 😅That Pete is a real truck unlike that Cascadia which was designed promarily for the 1st time drivers. Swift, England, Western Express, Schneider buy them in thousands every year so of course that Cascadia should be as "idiot proof" ( all those electronic driving nannies) and fuel efficient ( automatic transmission) as possible... 😀👍. For many it's going to be the 1st time truck
Lol. No. Old school truckers like old school trucks. I don't blame them.
of curse not. none of old timer drivers will not do like my dad that always think his old mack is the best and can bit all new trucks .😁😁😁
Old school for me all day long. Love changing gears and love the look of the old school trucks. They have character while the new trucks all look the same.
I agree!
I agree, but the old one’s won’t make you money in today’s world of ridiculous fuel prices. The automated transmission is able to find the right gear better than any experienced driver for the best mpg. I’ll take the old one all day long for a show truck, but the money truck is the Cascadia unfortunately.
For me it's the opposite
IDK about ride/comfort, but your old school trucks sure LOOKS better! 😍
So you prefer a tractor that is dirty and gross under the hood?
@@docsmitty4 I would yes...but then I prefer the older trucks to this newer plastic junk.
And sounds better
Sounds a lot better too!
@@docsmitty4 I'd rather have an old dirty engine under the hood, then a new truck with a ton of computers that can malfunction and cost lots of money. As opposed to little to no computers, with less of a chance to malfunction
As you know, Dave, as an “old school” driver like you (but not quite as old, haha!) I prefer the manual transmission, a powerful engine, and a shiny hood to look down and over. That being said, it is human nature to prefer what we are familiar with. A new guy who has only driven a newer truck and never experienced the joy of driving a 379 Pete, would more than likely prefer the newer truck for that very reason. And yes, even though I now drive a Volvo (but it’s an older one!) I did drive a 379 Pete (from 2001-2003) and pull reefers hauling produce and dairy products all over the 11 western states, there is NOTHING like driving a 379! I loved it! It was green, it was powerful, had a 13 speed, and it was a lot of fun to drive! I had never even been inside a Volvo at that point. It was the first truck that I had really ever driven “over the road” in. I’d haul ass doing 75 mph across AZ, NM, CO, and TX and that thing just purred like a kitten. Awesome truck for sure and I really developed a serious appreciation for them early in my career.
My first truck was a Cascadia Evolution, then I had a Volvo 770 13 speed, then a Cascadia with a 10 speed, and now I learned my damn lesson and bought the right truck for the job. Freightliner Classic XL with a souped up fully rebuilt Detroit 12.7L.
Hands down the old Pete wins. To me, reliability is paramount. Everything else is secondary.
As long as you take care of your truck, they ride much better too.
these 6's all seem to be as reliable as the older ones; not sure that's a hill to die on
My Arcadia is way more reliable than my 379
Maintenance. I work on trucks, and the difference between a new one hitting a million ks and one not is almost always the owner. Shit oil, never changing parts and having shit mechanics work on your trucks is easily the three biggest issues with modern trucks.
There simply is NO comparison, old school traditional truck any day of the week, I love the whistle of your Cat engine.
That square hood and that yella motor will always beat those ugly bumpy mutts...
Exactly . Aerodynamics of a BRICK , 5.5mpg vs 8.5, waaay more louder so when you drive 25 miles with your turn signal on you can just say your deaf . Less maneuverable so that you dont have too easy life , more vibrations with stiffer suspension cause you definitely like when your back hurts , manual transmission because you smarter and super professional then dumb computer which saves you money on fuel , smaller and worse thought out sleeper because who needs comfort right 😉?! , THE ONLY ONE THING WHERE YOU BRICK BOYS BEAT MODERN TRUCK IN IS PARTS COST but dont worry , you will start to extinct if fuel prices will go up lol. Ooh yeah i had w900 if you say i just never had a brick , those were the worse days of my life having that pile of shhhhhhhhhhhhhh 10.
New trucks are easier to drive older trucks are more comfortable to drive but it’s a tool old or new use whatever you’re more efficient with and that’s the new ones for me
@@hammerslammer3006 not in the eyes of the insurance providers, companies and governments.
2022 T680 as entered the chat
I've had my 99 FLD120 since it was two years old. It has a 60 series Detroit backed up by a 10 spd. With 76,000lbs I can climb a 6% grade faster than most of these newer trucks. I'll stick with my 20+ yrs old old school truck any day. No Def or eld or any other three initial things in it.
After reading most of the comments I wanted to add, and I'm sure Dav, you'll attest to this, in a "old school" truck when it comes to break downs with older trucks you can't swing a dead cat without hitting someone who has the part or belt or hose you need to get moving. I carry enough tools and spare air bags, alternator, turbo, hoses etc to make the repairs on the side of the road and get going again as apposed to calling a hook and setting in a hotel for a week, or two, while the dealership garage hunts down parts in China.
My grandfather who taught me to drive told me "if ya can't fix it ya shouldn't be driving it" and I live by that.
UK driver here. Between the mirrors and picking something in the cab for your 'line', the hood being missing isn't an issue once you're used to it. Just a different skillset. The advantage is much better forward visibility!
but you dont have a crumple zone
Dave I could probably watch you drive for hours, that’s real driving right there
I love driving my '85 F-150 4 speed on Saturday, shifting gives a sense of control, but after a day of that I also LOVE getting back into my nice smooth car and letting it do all the work! Both are winners.
Man you just can't beat that sound and look of that pete! Old school all day over new.
I'll ride for hours in my 88 pete with 3406b cat just listening to the engine purr. I just love to hear those straight pipes singing.
You just can't beat the ride of a a longer wheel base, or the view from my seat. Nothing better than looking out the window and seeing that long hood. I completely agree it helps in all weather conditions to know exact where u are in the lane. Great video
Thank you for not only your comparisons, but also your service to all of us, new, wanna be trucker, or experienced, in your helps in the trucking community.
The lane sensors get really annoying when your hauling overside loads and it dosnt shut off for 8 hours
You can turn off. Yes it will turn back on automatically. BUT if you take off cover and unclip camera so it is misalign camera then turn off it will stay OFF.
@@leonrawls892 ... shortly after we got the one I drive, someone else (so I can’t say how it’s done) got into the settings, and it gives only the visual (in dash) warnings ever since.
If you can find the sensor, in volvos it's in the bumper, just pull the wire off just enough so it's not connected and it will stop, but in some trucks when you do this, you loose your cruise control.
They should really have an override for this.
I've driven both too,, I'll take the older truck as well, I think Dave was being pretty fair because he said some good things about the Freightliner like the viability was better and the turning was better, he gave pros and cons to both trucks! That's fair....
The Pete only have like 2 cons and that's the turning and the dash bored
New Freightliners/Volvos/Internationals seem to be designed by accountants for unskilled flip-flop wearing steering wheel holders. Can’t shift, maintain their lane, read the traffic, etc, then a Cascadia is perfect. Problem is, no driver should have problems shifting, maintaining speed, having lane discipline, reading traffic, etc. Each time we lower the bar, we hurt our reputation.
Couldn't have said it better myself! Agree 1000%!
I hate to break it to you, but... “the bar” has been lying on the floor in a dusty corner somewhere for at least the past decade, at minimum... (since the 90’s in my opinion honestly)
Well said..
Lets dumb the industry down a little more to get the under qualified in the drivers seat.
Very very true
If it’s got tires on it, I can drive it. Been driving since I was a kid on the farm in the 80’s, CDL for 15 years. Both have their pros and cons. I like the looks and sound of the older trucks but prefer the interior comfort and fuel economy of the newer. To each his own I guess. It’s funny that people have this stereotype of anyone driving an automatic as if they’re inferior in some sort of way 🤣. Just because someone is in an automatic, doesn’t mean they can’t drive a 10, 13, or 18sp. I myself am trying to find the best of both. Looking for a 2007 Freightliner Columbia with a 12.7 Detroit 10sp
I'd have to agree w most people's comments on here. OLD SCHOOL all the way baby ! I'll stick w my 550 6NZ CAT. '03 KW - W900L. Got 1.880,000 on her and she still rips ! 😁
I don't like the safety sensors, because I feel like drivers will come to rely too much on them. Instead of checking rhe mirror, just let the lane assist tell me its clear, that kinda thing. Or the cruise with auto slow down. Those systems can't have a 'feeling' you are about to get cut off, but I know drivers do. Very seldom do I get cut off, that I don't first, feel it coming. Spidey sense is tingling I guess. But if you rely on the system to slow you down, then you miss that second of braking you might need. It might not be your fault, and now have video evidence, but what if you smash a mini van with kids in the back. Being not at fault will not help you sleep at night, for the rest of your life.
Exactly right, at the end of the day, the driver must be the sensor, and cannot allow himself to fail, where electronics can and do.
I bought an older prostar and I like that it doesn't have all that computer stuff on the dash. The main reason is I like it fairly dark in my cab while I'm driving at night. I feel to much light in my cab reduces my vision.
The new truck may be more “efficient,” but in the long haul it’s “efficiently” sitting in the shop, costing more money on repairs, than the non-government reg lip smooching rig.
As long as the air is clean and diesel truck huff out all the bad stuff on limp mode and Regen every few months.
Old school just have a legendary look to it. That will never get old. Piece of art. 🖼️
one thing I will say, Cascadia does have a unique feature that dude didn't tell him about. Going downhill with a load on, roll on your set speed drop the Jake To the first setting and press the cruise control button. You'll get a downhill assist. And it will not I repeat will not get more than one mile an hour over to set speed no matter how steep the hill no matter what your weight. you don't have to touch the brakes at all. I ran 250000 mi before I had to change brake pads (manufacturer pads) because of that. it seemed to work the best when it was set on one of the 5-mi marks. 15, 25 35, etc. But yeah everybody loves the aesthetics in the old school truck gears the sound the Jake just better
Impressive!
I just like the newer trucks for the comfortability/ space in the cabin, and the looks of them. (I always loved the bulky edgy look of the freightliners and internationals) but in terms of reliability, I know full well that the old-school kenworths and peterbuilts are top dogs.
I agree with the safety features, mine really does not have any, but I've had them in the past, the best ones I seen is where the company sets them up where the driver can put them n2 a passive mode, or turn them off when needed.
my father is an old retired trucker here in europe. he finished his carreer in a volvo made in 1989. manual, no egr or pdf, no electronics at all. the truck was reliable, never had any major issues and brought a lot of money in our household. that's the most important thing right?! after retirement, he returned his professional drivers license and never drove a truck. he only drives to the market and back or when he goes for holidays with mom. my cousin is a trucker. he drives for a company and they bought the 2020 volvo fh16 with all the possible extras, like automatic gearbox etc. he asked my father if he wanted to go with him for a trip about 700 kms. my father when he returned he never stopped talking about how truck technology is advanced. the silence inside, the automatic gearbox with double clutch. he told me that he was ready to drive a truck again. he was much impressed. new technologies don't always mean better machines but surely they make our lives better.
That's a nice story to here! Thanks for writing in and say hi to your dad for me!
I agree with you on all the signals. I drive a similar Cascadia and these trucking companies say they want you focused more on the road and that’s all well and good but when bells and whistles are going off your paying attention to those. Some of them offer a override on all those alarms but most companies pass on them. I initially trained in a manual but with most of the companies going to all autos and phasing out manuals I gotten kinda used to them. Good video though I look forward to the next one.
Thanks for the very candid reviews Dave. My opinion is very much like yours. I too love the ride of a long-frame Pete, but do value being able to turn easily. My DM had me drive a Cascadia with an automatic for a week. He asked me at the end of the week what I thought of the auto tranny. You should have seen his face when I told him how much I hated it!😂 I found it shifting when I didn’t want to shift, and not downshifting as I slowed. So I ended up putting it into Manual Mode for most of the time. The truck doesn’t know what the road is ahead; it just senses what is happening at that moment. I do think the new trucks are much easier to drive. I think the industry is trying to make that their main goal-especially for the mega-carriers. They often disable the manual mode so you aren’t able to choose a gear. Essentially, they are dumbing down being a truck driver so they can say it is an unskilled job.
I'm in a '21 Cascadia and I can't set my idle, do a manual regen, go from econo mode to sport mode, and have a hell of a time getting into creep mode backing so I don't burn the clutch.
@@GoldPicard did ya read the owners manual? You should be able to do a parked regen. If not, then chances are you won't be getting anywhere soon when the regen light comes on, and that will cost you and the company money. Talk to the fleet supervisor/manager and fleet mechanic about this. You should be able to find the help that you need.
I drive a day cab single axle cascadia and they are terrifying on ice. They are so twitchy.
All day cabs feel that way to me. Pulling doubles with a day cab is stressful.
I have a tandem axle 185" wheel base day cab. It's not twitchy at all but it does rock the cab a lot in the wind.
We have a handful of 10 speed standard shift cascadias single axel day cab trucks, I personally don’t mind the ride, it’s very easy to shift we actually use them for cdl training because of this and they are pretty reliable I have to say whenever I have to run one to the shop it’s usually a pretty quick repair more like a day or two. Power is lacking though. We also have tandem axle Volvo’s (day cab) I particularly really enjoy this truck because of the comfort, the way it’s geared this thing flys! It is an auto in which the way it shifts is less desirable. Now when they go to the shop your looking at a month lol
You were so sincere when you said thank you! Subscribed.
Cool idea for a video! I'm about to start trucking school so this is a very interesting topic.
I find it enjoyable shifting gears. If you know how to shift even in a fleet spec truck you can outrun an auto fleet spec truck. My main issue with Automatics is I always forget to put it in neutral when I stop. At least with a manual I always make sure it is in neutral before shutting down and setting the brakes.
I did that on test after the reverse left the truck in gear.... as I'm used to a manual....
The majority of aerodynamic truck sales go to the mega carriers, while the majority of old school rigs are o/o and small trucking companies with less than 50 trucks. The mega carriers worry about fuel economy and the small trucking companies worry about keeping customers .
The pros and the cons of new trucks vs old school! good! I really enjoy this video! Thanks! And God bless!
This is an excellent video, very cool, nicely done!
I seen you cheesin when you got back into your truck. I think it would be interesting to watch if you got ahold of Volvo/mack Peterbilt, Kenworth see if there is a new truck out there that you'll like.
Or put Dave in a brand new 579 Pete (owner operator spec with platinum interior)
Those new trucks are more better they have the comfort of otr.....those old trucks are to uncomfortable....fuck thst shit
Hauled new tractors piggyback to dealerships. Volvos are highly comfortable but highly underpowered. Mack's are still kidney busters but all about Work! Oddly, highly Overpowered. Which is weird because mack /Volvo use the same engine and trannies. Internationals are the shits. Engines sound like they are gonna drop a rod right out of factory. Freightliners are right in the middle. Didnt haul KW or Pete's so cant say. Oh fuel! Volvo best, freightliner, international, Mack. And Mack's gobble it!
I only started driving last year and even as a new driver, I have so many gripes about the new freightliners.
I grew up in a 69 international loadstar cabover 1600. When I quit college I worked for a building supply company/ lumber yard. They had a mid 90s international 4700 or 4900. First time I sat behind the wheel it felt the exact same as that old cabover! The angle of the steering wheel and position of the seat was unreal! Still miss my 72 KW!
Thank You Dave! real content in Trucking.
Old school trucks are still the best. Especially a 379 Pete with a CAT under the hood.
Thank you for giving a good, honest appraisal of both trucks. I've driven similar and I agree with so much of what you said. New trucks have some advantages, but what trucker doesn't love the classics? If you learned on a manual, you'll have that panic reaching for gears once a day at least!
Automatic are better for large OTR fleets that can't be picky about who their drivers are.
Hell I get out of my old truck jump in my f150 and find myself reachin for the clutch or shifter now and then 🤣
You are back on point 👍
Old school every day!! The Cat is a KILLER on new trucks
At least us old guys with our conventional hoods don't have to worry about it looking like we're running a vacume cleaner if we have to pull up a few times to get parked.
If you have whisker mirrors on an aero truck you can use those as you would a long hood, to guide you in your lane position and spot drift in the snow/ice.
Thank you for your service driver!
Nothing beats the big hood Pete's and KWs I used to drive them back in the 90s and early 2000 now I myself am driving a Cascadia auto shift. I sure miss driving a real truck. Great video sir. You got a nice 379 by the way.👍
I’ve been working on trucks for past 20 years. 379 all the way.
I'm with you Dave on the older truck. These new trucks maybe more fuel efficient but IMO, the more electronic shit that gets put onto these trucks, the more likely you will have a problem down the road. Not to mention, all this plastic doesn't do anything for me. I love chrome and steel!!!
That's why I love my Harley too!! Nothing like that Harley low end torque and vibrations that these metric bikes don't and never will have.
I don’t disagree with you...
But no matter how we feel about it... classic trucks are going away... and we’re not too far off from self driving trucks either.
Love your insight!
My 16 Pete is 290" with an ISX 600 hp / 2050 tq , 23 gauges (no nav), 18sp, through 3.42 gears with 24.5 tires. 75 mph @ 1500 in the big hole just purring. I run Fontana Ca to Denver every week for the last 4 years and like Dave said I too use my hood in ice and snow to feel the lane. Today's docks flat ass suck with 290"wb (6' longer than most FL and Volvos) I just set up early and know where to pivot the tandems. Running the Rockies weekly a long-wheelbase 389 with 600 and an 18sp is the way to go able to pull Vail and Loveland passes with ease. Thanks, Dave for another great video
Old school cool!! Wins every time.
The camera was shakier in the old truck and much noisier (I know the windows were open, no A/C in the old one?🤔😜😀). The complaints, differences don't sound big deal to me at all. The only thing I don't like about the new trucks is those annoying lane departure, front collision crap (you're supposed to watch the road anyway). No truck is perfect, old or new. If the old ones were so good every old trucker should have been a billionaire by now. The best truck is the one that's paid off and as new as possible with warranty on it.😀✌🏻
The comparison was truly to compare the ride, not profitability. Those were just quick mentions but I hear you on that one and I agree.
We would be millionaires except we spent our money on women and whiskey.
I am with Dave on this. 2015 W900 glider. I like it more the longer I own it. Looks and runs as nice as the day I bought it new.
It works though. Every truck driver who tails me is in an older truck.
The fact that you require a warranty on the truck should tell you everything about it's reliability. There isn't a new truck on the road as reliable as a well cared for pre emission truck. Period.
The trucks need those fancy sensors, considering some of the absolute blockheads getting put behind the wheel. They need that alarm so nobody dies.
That is why when I got my my truck. I bought one with a 244 inch wheel base. Nice to get around in and nice ride it is the perfect blend .
Great video thanks for showing us!
Thank you for saying so!
I have driven both a company cascadia and a ungoverned rental. The rental is a completely different animal it truly is impressive. You also have different driving modes on the cascadia which most companies put in economy mode which guts the truck. Also the truck you where driving where an upper trim model they do have analog dash and a much smaller dash cam and no lane departure system.
I agree with you 1000%! I drove a new International with the slope hood and I had to jack the seat up to orient the front of the truck. I had an old Classic XL and seeing my hood brought a sense of calm to driving in all aspects. Better ride too with the steers out front. I like long or snub nose compared to these new trucks for overall ride. AT is nice in town, but 13 or 18 is the only way to go.
Great video Dave
Another thing I for got to mention I. Can always tell when a Pete or big kw coming or close buy u can here the roar. New bin a big fan of these too. But good to look at. Keep the knowledge coming dave.
That digital dash would be a big no to me.
Agree . Much harder to read it at daylight because of all the reflection on the screen
Good to see that i wasn't the only one
Automatics always require an adjustment period. Anyone coming from a manual will hate em at first, but you learn how to manage the auto shifts and can control, or at least anticipate, what gear you'll be in based on your speed and throttle position and turning angle.
Gotta agree with you on that one. Went from a manual to an automated. I simply leave mine in manual mode.
Glad you finally got to see what us new(er) guys are having to deal with Dave. The DD15 is actually one of the most powerful engines on the road with 505 Horse Power and a 15 liter displacement. All the DD15's I've driven have been set in ECONOMY-Mode with RPM rev-limiting etc, as you put it "fuel-squeezer", all that stuff is automated by the trucks ECM and it can be changed with software adjustments. Panic Breaking is also done automatically by the truck (sometimes at in-appropriate times!), I don't think I've ever used the trailer/trolley break, I believe I tried it once and smoke started coming from the breaks so I never touched it again since.
Hi, thanks for the video, I always enjoy listening to what you have to say. I’m not sure how the Freightliners were way back in the day, but all of them that I have been in which have only been 10 speeds still have the trailer brake on the dash. I think that’s just where they put theirs, and the Jake is a low/off/hi switch on the dash as well. Off the topic of the comparison though. I was watching you shift and noticed it looked like you clutch. What is you opinion and preferences about that. Slipping compared to clutching Pros and Cons, in your opinion?
Those hoods would be almost impossible where I deliver, new drivers should know a lot of trucking is delivering to way to small receivers, clearing obstacles by inches
Dave is the kinda guy that still using his old film camera. 😂
I definitely agree with you on the comparisons of the trucks, I've driven both old school and new school truck's and there's just no comparison for the ride, sound, and looks of a old school big hood truck.
Great use of your platform driver!
2 most important things about a truck; Fuel economy, reliability. The rest is just personal preference.
This was a video to compare the 'driving experience' and what the ride is like for the driver, rather than a deep dive into the fuel economy etc. We're saving that for another video.
@@SmartTrucking That would be great if you made a video going over some charts. From what I can tell Volvo and Freightliner are neck and neck with efficiency, and the others are left in the dust. I can't get good numbers on reliability and real world breakdowns however.
@@SmartTrucking but then it's not a fair comparison, as you mentioned, one is company "specs" the other is Owner, and the chair in the Cascadia is one of if not the cheapest they come with from manufacturer, the chair makes a HUUUUGE difference. 🤷🏻♂️🙂
@@rickshaw296 Volvo and FreightShaker may be neck & neck in efficiency but they are not even close in ride and comfort. Volvos are smooth and quiet and they handle much better. They are also more spacious. I sit at a table and eat my meals and do my paperwork. In a Freightliner, you sit on your bed with no backrest and your table is a pullout platform that slides out of a low level cabinet. No thanks! I’ll take my restaurant booth type seating every time over that nonsense. Four people can sit in here comfortably and enjoy a nice hot meal. Done it many times. 👍
@@SoCal780 wow! Good to hear that. The VNL looks like a sweet ride.
Old school beats new school any day
I had to stop the video just to say when you let go of the couch and said "that feels like a truck" was worth the hole video
i was just searching for this topic and of course i come to smart trucking channel and my guy has a video loaded and ready to go. dropped only 9 hours earlier. sweeeeeet
The new ones are nice but seem like they are made to be disposable as opposed to rebuildable.
So is every single thing made in the world today.
I agree with you on your conclusion. The Cascadia is an aerodynamic, fuel efficient machine, and that’s what a new driver needs to make money nowadays. Even the new Peterbilt’s are all digital dashes with smart wheels and smoother lines. They have to be to compete. That said, there’s nothing that compares to the old school rigs like yours. Keep her rolling down the road. Great video.
I totally agree with your assessment of these two trucks. Old School Trucks are still a step above the the new kids on the block..!
Loving that GP Transco truck, I hope to be a part of their fleet someday, that Pete still has my respect.
I think an old saying really fits here.
"If you make a machine that even an idiot can use, only an idiot will use it."
I turned all my gauges where 12:00 is normal operating temperature or pressure. Old NASCAR trick.
Dave
Good morning
I thank You so much. This is one remarkable video. I enjoyed all your comments, because it goes to the root of this activity.
Technology is here for good, however I feel it has not been addressed properly.
Great video ! I have been driving stick/manuel for years, I like manual transmission because you have more control of your vehicle. I also like long nose ( conventional ) over the flat nose trucks because of safety and ride quality.
I agree with your observations 110% old school is the best school hands down. Too much technology in the vehicle can create a hike in cost and problems and repairs later on down the road.
That old school truck will still be going in 10 years. Idk about that cascadia
The computer in the newer truck will put you on the hook of a wrecker real quick
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The worst part of the auto shift is the violent nature of it at low speeds. You need a neck brace to deal with the uncontrolled and uncontrollable whip like jerks, and snaps. The cascadia is inherently unstable in the roll axis too. To stay in the seat on a left turn you need to be belted in and have the armrest down or you'll end up sitting on the floor at 10 mph.
My Cascadia Ten years old and running strong
That cascadia might still be going then too...
It might be on its second engine, fifth transmission and thirteenth computer by then...
But, it MIGHT still be going
Toggle switches! Man, I miss those!
No question that there is an adjustment. Climbing into a new truck because gauges knobs switches and etc. are not where you have gotten your brain situated from your previous vehicle. You also have to go through quite a few menus to set things up the way that you want: such a showing outside temperature,, Showing a temperature alarm at a certain point, minus at 38°F. Miles per gallon instant miles per gallon, trip and leg odometers English and metric, various pressures and temperatures, and all that needs to be set up in a way that’s comfortable for you in in a sequence that’s comfortable for you. Once you get used to the automatic transmission and where to put The Jake break setting, and then drive it for a week, you’ll be a lot more comfortable with it. As for setting up your centerline, Dave, when you get into the situation, your brain is just going to figure out a different reference point, that’s all. Once again it’s just a matter of getting familiar with it
Who would of thought a shifter would become absolete
I trained on a old Peterbilt... nowdriving a 2020 Cas...Sorry the Cas puts the old Peterbilt to shame way better drive control & comfort and low noise.
Those old school Pete's are a thing of beauty
Yes, on the road in New Zealand for 40 plus years. Both have a lot to offer. It's up to one to adapt. My personal Ute is a modern Ute, but with a lot of old school ideas. Modern auto boxes can't see the road conditions ahead. So greatful for my experiences.
What about Volvo's I-See technology? Give Volvo a try
I will take the peterbilt any day of the week. Old school cool
The automatics trucks suck because over time the electronic transmission tends to shift all late,grind,stall and fail leaving you in the street after a year or two depending how far and how heavy you work the truck and thers no warning when it will fail for most trucks but some do have a warning like the VNL volvo but still there just junk overall. these trucks should be for local only.
I'm a lease operator driving a 2019 Kenworth T680 day cab. I've been driving it since March. I got it with around 91k on it, now it has 111k. You're absolutely right about these AMTs. I can already hear the transmission grinding the gears a couple times per day. I almost have enough money to get into a decent pre 2000s long hood. This lease program has LOADED me with money. It's honestly one of the best lease programs in the country, I'd say. I have the opportunity to leave it once a month when I sign the contract again. I love Kenworth but my truck is such a nutless POS. It's already showing huge red flags for failure, so I'm making my money quick and turning it back in to be someone else's problem
@@Deleteguest yeah you should turn the truck in asap because the maintenance and repairs for these amts are expensive and a hassle even if it's brand new out of the manufacturer and don't last long after repairs unless driven locally only. Take care and good luck on your trucking journey.
@@Deleteguest anything would be better. By “anything” I mean Detroit 60 Series, Cat 15 or N 14. I drive a 12.7 , simple reason, it is just so damn easy to work on and honestly, good fuel mileage and …… so Dan easy to rebuild then there you go, go another 1.3 mil
I always love the look of the old trucks.
I was shocked to see an all glass instrument panel on the Cascadia. I was given a brand new day cab before I left my last gig with a lot of the features they were talking about on this episode. My truck allowed you to temporarily disable the lane departure buzzer. But like all Freightliners you'll be chasing your own tail around with a socket wrench trying to keep the thing bolted together. The DD15 can put out a fair amount of grunt when the ECU is opened up. My current company has me in a 2012 retired Swift truck and up until 945k or so she pulled nice and strong. I'm reasonably sure it was inframed before being put into service hauling mail and beer.
Old school is the best school! Hahh, Cascadia simply doesn’t suit you!!! Keep up the good work. Cheers…
Petes are a pain to back up especially when you have to open the door. Other than that old school is a win for me.
Very informative.
As you get used to driving the Cascadia and learning when you need to step in and force a shift (and how to manipulate the throttle, jake, & service brake to get it to shift more predictably), the automatic becomes a lot less of a negative, and the DT12 is one of the best automatics you can get. O/O spec Cascadias allow full manual control using the paddle as well which gives folks used to manual shifters the kind of fine control they're used to when they need it. (I find I prefer that for steep downgrades over the Auto's Descent Control mode.)
Absolutely agreed on the giant sensor pack in the windshield, it's an absolute pain. I've had entire semi trucks coming down a descending on-ramp at just the right speed be completely hidden behind that camera box until moments before the merge.
As for the trailer brake? I think the dash versus steering column placement is more of a Daimler vs PACCAR thing than a new vs old thing. Daimler trucks have been built for a while under the principle that the trailer brake is not for use on the highway, while only the newest automatic Pete's have moved the lever off of the steering column. I think the manuals still come with the trailer brake in the same position as on your old school Pete, at least they did up to the last one I drove which was a 2019 579.
And yeah, while an eco spec Detroit can't hold a candle to a CAT in terms of power, the DD15 & DD16 can fly up hills if they're specced for it and can put the 13L Detroit, Volvo, & PACCAR motors to shame. Cascadias are incredibly versatile, you just have to spec it properly.
I bet $100 if he drove the cascadia for a year he'd change his mind.
I bet he wouldn't.
Somehow, I doubt it. Come on man, look at the guy, he is a TRUCKER , not a driver.
@@Corleone_Napoleone He's a business man 1st. Better fuel economy, less maintenance equals more $$$.
The old truck look nice but I'll take the comfort and the fuel economy of the New Cascadia any day
Idk about comfort. Those cascadia’s ride like dog shit
I've never driven an old school truck man that's a bucket list type deal for me right there.
I agree 💯% I love the turning radius & viability on the new tricks as well as the better girl milage.But I'm sooo tired of dropping along up the hills. I would love to learn how to drive a long nose Pete or Ken 🚛