AN OLD SCHOOL TRUCK VS 2022 FREIGHTLINER CASCADIA: A COMPARISON OF THE DRIVING EXPERIENCE!
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- An Old School Truck vs 2022 Freightliner Cascadia: A Comparison of the Driving Experience. In this video, Dave takes the new Cascadia for a spin as well his 2004 Peterbilt 379, an old school truck, and examines the differences in the actual driving experience. Interesting comparison!
After driving each truck, Dave takes a look at:
- Automatic vs. Manual
- Digital Dash vs.
- Long Hood vs Drop Hood
- Cab Noise
- Ride Quality.
- Jake Brake
- Trailer Brake Placement
- Turning Radius
- Electronic Sensors
- Sleeper Berth Doors
- Longevity and Warranty
- Engine Strength
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Good Day to You, Big Strapper. Thanks for dropping by to check out today's upload. What are your thoughts on the 2 trucks we compared? Which would you prefer, given the comparison, the Cascadia or the Old Pete? Love to hear your thoughts. Special thanks to GP Transco for their generosity in allowing Dave to test drive one of their new rides.
I'm 28 and I'm not a fan of the new trucks. I was trained on and got my license in a early 90s Mack with a 13 speed. I prefer the older trucks. There was a case of a new Peterbilt with similar safety gadgets as the Cascadia. Something malfunctioned and basically dynomited the truck hauling a load of steel. Almost took the drivers life.
I only run trucks in our repair facility yard, but even there, I am not at all a fan of trucks that try to think for themselves. I've had the automatic trucks try to shift right when I'm backing a heavy trailer over our bit of a door sill, and it feels like you're gonna drop the damn driveshaft. Also been stuck on an icy yard because of being unable to select my own gear. Old school rocks, and I love the older Petes like yours. Also have a love for Western Stars.
Old school trucks would be my first choice but the cascade would drive smoothly and quiet! Then my biggest pet peeve would be these automatic tractors to each is own! I've driven an automatic again prefer old school manual! #keepontruckin 😉👍🏼💯
Hmm! Honestly new drivers couldn't handle his old school truck because they can't shift manual transmission (wuzzy automatics)! 😉👍🏼💯
I learned to drive on a 1956 hardnosed LJ mack with a 237hp 675ENDT and a 5x4 Mack quad box tranny, boy was that truck fun to drive!
Did anyone actually think he was going to choose the freightliner over his truck? Hahahaha
Haha!!! Hell no.
He’s driving an automatic!! 😂😂
Of course not 😅That Pete is a real truck unlike that Cascadia which was designed promarily for the 1st time drivers. Swift, England, Western Express, Schneider buy them in thousands every year so of course that Cascadia should be as "idiot proof" ( all those electronic driving nannies) and fuel efficient ( automatic transmission) as possible... 😀👍. For many it's going to be the 1st time truck
Lol. No. Old school truckers like old school trucks. I don't blame them.
of curse not. none of old timer drivers will not do like my dad that always think his old mack is the best and can bit all new trucks .😁😁😁
IDK about ride/comfort, but your old school trucks sure LOOKS better! 😍
So you prefer a tractor that is dirty and gross under the hood?
@@docsmitty4 I would yes...but then I prefer the older trucks to this newer plastic junk.
And sounds better
Sounds a lot better too!
@@docsmitty4 I'd rather have an old dirty engine under the hood, then a new truck with a ton of computers that can malfunction and cost lots of money. As opposed to little to no computers, with less of a chance to malfunction
New Freightliners/Volvos/Internationals seem to be designed by accountants for unskilled flip-flop wearing steering wheel holders. Can’t shift, maintain their lane, read the traffic, etc, then a Cascadia is perfect. Problem is, no driver should have problems shifting, maintaining speed, having lane discipline, reading traffic, etc. Each time we lower the bar, we hurt our reputation.
Couldn't have said it better myself! Agree 1000%!
I hate to break it to you, but... “the bar” has been lying on the floor in a dusty corner somewhere for at least the past decade, at minimum... (since the 90’s in my opinion honestly)
Well said..
Lets dumb the industry down a little more to get the under qualified in the drivers seat.
Very very true
If it’s got tires on it, I can drive it. Been driving since I was a kid on the farm in the 80’s, CDL for 15 years. Both have their pros and cons. I like the looks and sound of the older trucks but prefer the interior comfort and fuel economy of the newer. To each his own I guess. It’s funny that people have this stereotype of anyone driving an automatic as if they’re inferior in some sort of way 🤣. Just because someone is in an automatic, doesn’t mean they can’t drive a 10, 13, or 18sp. I myself am trying to find the best of both. Looking for a 2007 Freightliner Columbia with a 12.7 Detroit 10sp
Hands down the old Pete wins. To me, reliability is paramount. Everything else is secondary.
As long as you take care of your truck, they ride much better too.
these 6's all seem to be as reliable as the older ones; not sure that's a hill to die on
My Arcadia is way more reliable than my 379
Maintenance. I work on trucks, and the difference between a new one hitting a million ks and one not is almost always the owner. Shit oil, never changing parts and having shit mechanics work on your trucks is easily the three biggest issues with modern trucks.
As you know, Dave, as an “old school” driver like you (but not quite as old, haha!) I prefer the manual transmission, a powerful engine, and a shiny hood to look down and over. That being said, it is human nature to prefer what we are familiar with. A new guy who has only driven a newer truck and never experienced the joy of driving a 379 Pete, would more than likely prefer the newer truck for that very reason. And yes, even though I now drive a Volvo (but it’s an older one!) I did drive a 379 Pete (from 2001-2003) and pull reefers hauling produce and dairy products all over the 11 western states, there is NOTHING like driving a 379! I loved it! It was green, it was powerful, had a 13 speed, and it was a lot of fun to drive! I had never even been inside a Volvo at that point. It was the first truck that I had really ever driven “over the road” in. I’d haul ass doing 75 mph across AZ, NM, CO, and TX and that thing just purred like a kitten. Awesome truck for sure and I really developed a serious appreciation for them early in my career.
My first truck was a Cascadia Evolution, then I had a Volvo 770 13 speed, then a Cascadia with a 10 speed, and now I learned my damn lesson and bought the right truck for the job. Freightliner Classic XL with a souped up fully rebuilt Detroit 12.7L.
I don't like the safety sensors, because I feel like drivers will come to rely too much on them. Instead of checking rhe mirror, just let the lane assist tell me its clear, that kinda thing. Or the cruise with auto slow down. Those systems can't have a 'feeling' you are about to get cut off, but I know drivers do. Very seldom do I get cut off, that I don't first, feel it coming. Spidey sense is tingling I guess. But if you rely on the system to slow you down, then you miss that second of braking you might need. It might not be your fault, and now have video evidence, but what if you smash a mini van with kids in the back. Being not at fault will not help you sleep at night, for the rest of your life.
Exactly right, at the end of the day, the driver must be the sensor, and cannot allow himself to fail, where electronics can and do.
These new automatics are terrible. Lost count of how many times it’s left me in the middle of the intersection while it figures out what it wants to do.
The lane sensors get really annoying when your hauling overside loads and it dosnt shut off for 8 hours
You can turn off. Yes it will turn back on automatically. BUT if you take off cover and unclip camera so it is misalign camera then turn off it will stay OFF.
@@leonrawls892 ... shortly after we got the one I drive, someone else (so I can’t say how it’s done) got into the settings, and it gives only the visual (in dash) warnings ever since.
If you can find the sensor, in volvos it's in the bumper, just pull the wire off just enough so it's not connected and it will stop, but in some trucks when you do this, you loose your cruise control.
They should really have an override for this.
There simply is NO comparison, old school traditional truck any day of the week, I love the whistle of your Cat engine.
That square hood and that yella motor will always beat those ugly bumpy mutts...
Exactly . Aerodynamics of a BRICK , 5.5mpg vs 8.5, waaay more louder so when you drive 25 miles with your turn signal on you can just say your deaf . Less maneuverable so that you dont have too easy life , more vibrations with stiffer suspension cause you definitely like when your back hurts , manual transmission because you smarter and super professional then dumb computer which saves you money on fuel , smaller and worse thought out sleeper because who needs comfort right 😉?! , THE ONLY ONE THING WHERE YOU BRICK BOYS BEAT MODERN TRUCK IN IS PARTS COST but dont worry , you will start to extinct if fuel prices will go up lol. Ooh yeah i had w900 if you say i just never had a brick , those were the worse days of my life having that pile of shhhhhhhhhhhhhh 10.
New trucks are easier to drive older trucks are more comfortable to drive but it’s a tool old or new use whatever you’re more efficient with and that’s the new ones for me
@@hammerslammer3006 not in the eyes of the insurance providers, companies and governments.
2022 T680 as entered the chat
Old school for me all day long. Love changing gears and love the look of the old school trucks. They have character while the new trucks all look the same.
I agree!
I agree, but the old one’s won’t make you money in today’s world of ridiculous fuel prices. The automated transmission is able to find the right gear better than any experienced driver for the best mpg. I’ll take the old one all day long for a show truck, but the money truck is the Cascadia unfortunately.
For me it's the opposite
The new truck may be more “efficient,” but in the long haul it’s “efficiently” sitting in the shop, costing more money on repairs, than the non-government reg lip smooching rig.
As long as the air is clean and diesel truck huff out all the bad stuff on limp mode and Regen every few months.
I bought an older prostar and I like that it doesn't have all that computer stuff on the dash. The main reason is I like it fairly dark in my cab while I'm driving at night. I feel to much light in my cab reduces my vision.
I've had my 99 FLD120 since it was two years old. It has a 60 series Detroit backed up by a 10 spd. With 76,000lbs I can climb a 6% grade faster than most of these newer trucks. I'll stick with my 20+ yrs old old school truck any day. No Def or eld or any other three initial things in it.
After reading most of the comments I wanted to add, and I'm sure Dav, you'll attest to this, in a "old school" truck when it comes to break downs with older trucks you can't swing a dead cat without hitting someone who has the part or belt or hose you need to get moving. I carry enough tools and spare air bags, alternator, turbo, hoses etc to make the repairs on the side of the road and get going again as apposed to calling a hook and setting in a hotel for a week, or two, while the dealership garage hunts down parts in China.
My grandfather who taught me to drive told me "if ya can't fix it ya shouldn't be driving it" and I live by that.
I seen you cheesin when you got back into your truck. I think it would be interesting to watch if you got ahold of Volvo/mack Peterbilt, Kenworth see if there is a new truck out there that you'll like.
Or put Dave in a brand new 579 Pete (owner operator spec with platinum interior)
Those new trucks are more better they have the comfort of otr.....those old trucks are to uncomfortable....fuck thst shit
Hauled new tractors piggyback to dealerships. Volvos are highly comfortable but highly underpowered. Mack's are still kidney busters but all about Work! Oddly, highly Overpowered. Which is weird because mack /Volvo use the same engine and trannies. Internationals are the shits. Engines sound like they are gonna drop a rod right out of factory. Freightliners are right in the middle. Didnt haul KW or Pete's so cant say. Oh fuel! Volvo best, freightliner, international, Mack. And Mack's gobble it!
That old school truck will still be going in 10 years. Idk about that cascadia
The computer in the newer truck will put you on the hook of a wrecker real quick
True
The worst part of the auto shift is the violent nature of it at low speeds. You need a neck brace to deal with the uncontrolled and uncontrollable whip like jerks, and snaps. The cascadia is inherently unstable in the roll axis too. To stay in the seat on a left turn you need to be belted in and have the armrest down or you'll end up sitting on the floor at 10 mph.
My Cascadia Ten years old and running strong
That cascadia might still be going then too...
It might be on its second engine, fifth transmission and thirteenth computer by then...
But, it MIGHT still be going
The camera was shakier in the old truck and much noisier (I know the windows were open, no A/C in the old one?🤔😜😀). The complaints, differences don't sound big deal to me at all. The only thing I don't like about the new trucks is those annoying lane departure, front collision crap (you're supposed to watch the road anyway). No truck is perfect, old or new. If the old ones were so good every old trucker should have been a billionaire by now. The best truck is the one that's paid off and as new as possible with warranty on it.😀✌🏻
The comparison was truly to compare the ride, not profitability. Those were just quick mentions but I hear you on that one and I agree.
We would be millionaires except we spent our money on women and whiskey.
I am with Dave on this. 2015 W900 glider. I like it more the longer I own it. Looks and runs as nice as the day I bought it new.
It works though. Every truck driver who tails me is in an older truck.
The fact that you require a warranty on the truck should tell you everything about it's reliability. There isn't a new truck on the road as reliable as a well cared for pre emission truck. Period.
The majority of aerodynamic truck sales go to the mega carriers, while the majority of old school rigs are o/o and small trucking companies with less than 50 trucks. The mega carriers worry about fuel economy and the small trucking companies worry about keeping customers .
I'd have to agree w most people's comments on here. OLD SCHOOL all the way baby ! I'll stick w my 550 6NZ CAT. '03 KW - W900L. Got 1.880,000 on her and she still rips ! 😁
The automatics trucks suck because over time the electronic transmission tends to shift all late,grind,stall and fail leaving you in the street after a year or two depending how far and how heavy you work the truck and thers no warning when it will fail for most trucks but some do have a warning like the VNL volvo but still there just junk overall. these trucks should be for local only.
I'm a lease operator driving a 2019 Kenworth T680 day cab. I've been driving it since March. I got it with around 91k on it, now it has 111k. You're absolutely right about these AMTs. I can already hear the transmission grinding the gears a couple times per day. I almost have enough money to get into a decent pre 2000s long hood. This lease program has LOADED me with money. It's honestly one of the best lease programs in the country, I'd say. I have the opportunity to leave it once a month when I sign the contract again. I love Kenworth but my truck is such a nutless POS. It's already showing huge red flags for failure, so I'm making my money quick and turning it back in to be someone else's problem
@@Deleteguest yeah you should turn the truck in asap because the maintenance and repairs for these amts are expensive and a hassle even if it's brand new out of the manufacturer and don't last long after repairs unless driven locally only. Take care and good luck on your trucking journey.
@@Deleteguest anything would be better. By “anything” I mean Detroit 60 Series, Cat 15 or N 14. I drive a 12.7 , simple reason, it is just so damn easy to work on and honestly, good fuel mileage and …… so Dan easy to rebuild then there you go, go another 1.3 mil
The only reason if choose a newer truck would be likely because I wouldn't want to distroy an older truck if/when an accident occurs. Rather destroy a newer truck then an older one 😂😂
UK driver here. Between the mirrors and picking something in the cab for your 'line', the hood being missing isn't an issue once you're used to it. Just a different skillset. The advantage is much better forward visibility!
but you dont have a crumple zone
Dave I could probably watch you drive for hours, that’s real driving right there
I just like the newer trucks for the comfortability/ space in the cabin, and the looks of them. (I always loved the bulky edgy look of the freightliners and internationals) but in terms of reliability, I know full well that the old-school kenworths and peterbuilts are top dogs.
Man you just can't beat that sound and look of that pete! Old school all day over new.
Old school beats new school any day
I'll ride for hours in my 88 pete with 3406b cat just listening to the engine purr. I just love to hear those straight pipes singing.
I love driving my '85 F-150 4 speed on Saturday, shifting gives a sense of control, but after a day of that I also LOVE getting back into my nice smooth car and letting it do all the work! Both are winners.
I drive a day cab single axle cascadia and they are terrifying on ice. They are so twitchy.
All day cabs feel that way to me. Pulling doubles with a day cab is stressful.
I have a tandem axle 185" wheel base day cab. It's not twitchy at all but it does rock the cab a lot in the wind.
We have a handful of 10 speed standard shift cascadias single axel day cab trucks, I personally don’t mind the ride, it’s very easy to shift we actually use them for cdl training because of this and they are pretty reliable I have to say whenever I have to run one to the shop it’s usually a pretty quick repair more like a day or two. Power is lacking though. We also have tandem axle Volvo’s (day cab) I particularly really enjoy this truck because of the comfort, the way it’s geared this thing flys! It is an auto in which the way it shifts is less desirable. Now when they go to the shop your looking at a month lol
my father is an old retired trucker here in europe. he finished his carreer in a volvo made in 1989. manual, no egr or pdf, no electronics at all. the truck was reliable, never had any major issues and brought a lot of money in our household. that's the most important thing right?! after retirement, he returned his professional drivers license and never drove a truck. he only drives to the market and back or when he goes for holidays with mom. my cousin is a trucker. he drives for a company and they bought the 2020 volvo fh16 with all the possible extras, like automatic gearbox etc. he asked my father if he wanted to go with him for a trip about 700 kms. my father when he returned he never stopped talking about how truck technology is advanced. the silence inside, the automatic gearbox with double clutch. he told me that he was ready to drive a truck again. he was much impressed. new technologies don't always mean better machines but surely they make our lives better.
That's a nice story to here! Thanks for writing in and say hi to your dad for me!
I've driven both too,, I'll take the older truck as well, I think Dave was being pretty fair because he said some good things about the Freightliner like the viability was better and the turning was better, he gave pros and cons to both trucks! That's fair....
The Pete only have like 2 cons and that's the turning and the dash bored
That digital dash would be a big no to me.
Agree . Much harder to read it at daylight because of all the reflection on the screen
Good to see that i wasn't the only one
one thing I will say, Cascadia does have a unique feature that dude didn't tell him about. Going downhill with a load on, roll on your set speed drop the Jake To the first setting and press the cruise control button. You'll get a downhill assist. And it will not I repeat will not get more than one mile an hour over to set speed no matter how steep the hill no matter what your weight. you don't have to touch the brakes at all. I ran 250000 mi before I had to change brake pads (manufacturer pads) because of that. it seemed to work the best when it was set on one of the 5-mi marks. 15, 25 35, etc. But yeah everybody loves the aesthetics in the old school truck gears the sound the Jake just better
Impressive!
The new ones are nice but seem like they are made to be disposable as opposed to rebuildable.
So is every single thing made in the world today.
I agree with the safety features, mine really does not have any, but I've had them in the past, the best ones I seen is where the company sets them up where the driver can put them n2 a passive mode, or turn them off when needed.
Old school trucks are still the best. Especially a 379 Pete with a CAT under the hood.
I find it enjoyable shifting gears. If you know how to shift even in a fleet spec truck you can outrun an auto fleet spec truck. My main issue with Automatics is I always forget to put it in neutral when I stop. At least with a manual I always make sure it is in neutral before shutting down and setting the brakes.
I did that on test after the reverse left the truck in gear.... as I'm used to a manual....
I think an old saying really fits here.
"If you make a machine that even an idiot can use, only an idiot will use it."
Those hoods would be almost impossible where I deliver, new drivers should know a lot of trucking is delivering to way to small receivers, clearing obstacles by inches
Courious....did it have hood mirrors? I use the hood mirrors to align on the road.
I'm with you Dave on the older truck. These new trucks maybe more fuel efficient but IMO, the more electronic shit that gets put onto these trucks, the more likely you will have a problem down the road. Not to mention, all this plastic doesn't do anything for me. I love chrome and steel!!!
That's why I love my Harley too!! Nothing like that Harley low end torque and vibrations that these metric bikes don't and never will have.
I don’t disagree with you...
But no matter how we feel about it... classic trucks are going away... and we’re not too far off from self driving trucks either.
your spot on i feel a lot of the same about the two trucks however i feel that the Cascadia is pathetic in power and lousy in getting up to speed also the electronic safety system freaking sucks don't tell me how to drive a truck if i wanted a nagging person id have the company saftey guy ride with me ill take the Pete over the the Cascadia i may be only 43 but i choose old school way any day
At least us old guys with our conventional hoods don't have to worry about it looking like we're running a vacume cleaner if we have to pull up a few times to get parked.
I bet $100 if he drove the cascadia for a year he'd change his mind.
I bet he wouldn't.
Somehow, I doubt it. Come on man, look at the guy, he is a TRUCKER , not a driver.
@@Corleone_Napoleone He's a business man 1st. Better fuel economy, less maintenance equals more $$$.
I thought we already settled this, new trucks suck/ old trucks rule.
You just can't beat the ride of a a longer wheel base, or the view from my seat. Nothing better than looking out the window and seeing that long hood. I completely agree it helps in all weather conditions to know exact where u are in the lane. Great video
Those Freightliner transmissions are the most junk ass transmissions I've ever seen. They have a mind of it's own too much slipping and hesitation in it.
Kenworth ain't much better. Slow to shift, stall out in the mud. When you need chains for an inch of mud, your truck is a piece of shit
That's what happens when they send all those drivers to the north east and they keep their foot glued to the accelerator. Idc what truck you get, driving nonstop in those mountains will fuck your shit up
People don’t bother to learn how to use them. I prefer the Volvo autos but the freights are solid from my experience and friends that adjusted after figuring out why something isn’t happening how they wanted.
They are all like that except mack/Volvo. They seem to have the auto shift figured out. Still prefer a stick.
@@location_florida Volvo is first brand that released automated transmission in trucks and they do well. People just fell in love I-Shift in Europe and Australia.
Profits are my goal so I don't have a set preference that could destroy my business by sticking with it come hell or high water.
I agree with you on all the signals. I drive a similar Cascadia and these trucking companies say they want you focused more on the road and that’s all well and good but when bells and whistles are going off your paying attention to those. Some of them offer a override on all those alarms but most companies pass on them. I initially trained in a manual but with most of the companies going to all autos and phasing out manuals I gotten kinda used to them. Good video though I look forward to the next one.
I trained on a old Peterbilt... nowdriving a 2020 Cas...Sorry the Cas puts the old Peterbilt to shame way better drive control & comfort and low noise.
Your Pete is a man's truck, it takes a driver to drive it. You need a good Jake brake with rotten automatics. I don't know how you can turn with a 280 wheel base lol.
I've drivin everything under the sun except a WesternStar. Ill take my 379 anyday of the week or T660 or a W9. Cascadias are junk so are Prostars
2 most important things about a truck; Fuel economy, reliability. The rest is just personal preference.
This was a video to compare the 'driving experience' and what the ride is like for the driver, rather than a deep dive into the fuel economy etc. We're saving that for another video.
@@SmartTrucking That would be great if you made a video going over some charts. From what I can tell Volvo and Freightliner are neck and neck with efficiency, and the others are left in the dust. I can't get good numbers on reliability and real world breakdowns however.
@@SmartTrucking but then it's not a fair comparison, as you mentioned, one is company "specs" the other is Owner, and the chair in the Cascadia is one of if not the cheapest they come with from manufacturer, the chair makes a HUUUUGE difference. 🤷🏻♂️🙂
@@rickshaw296 Volvo and FreightShaker may be neck & neck in efficiency but they are not even close in ride and comfort. Volvos are smooth and quiet and they handle much better. They are also more spacious. I sit at a table and eat my meals and do my paperwork. In a Freightliner, you sit on your bed with no backrest and your table is a pullout platform that slides out of a low level cabinet. No thanks! I’ll take my restaurant booth type seating every time over that nonsense. Four people can sit in here comfortably and enjoy a nice hot meal. Done it many times. 👍
@@SoCal780 wow! Good to hear that. The VNL looks like a sweet ride.
I don't know big dog. The hood trucks are icons and will always be the most coveted rigs at the truck stop. With that said, trucking is a business and in the end, you will make more money with a wienie truck that cracks 9mpg. And is your hood truck safe in a truck stop, have you watched "bone head truckers" lately? Best of both worlds seems like it would be a Kenworth T-680 or a Pete 579. I agree that a standard transmission just feels right, but the MPGs they are knocking out with the automatics, makes you wonder.
I’ve been working on trucks for past 20 years. 379 all the way.
So who’s paying for the gas during these videos? Cause those things get like 6mpg lol I wouldn’t be “driving them around” ever lol
Who would of thought a shifter would become absolete
I’ll take a truck that is more reliable, better mpg and pulls stronger. I’ve been an O/O for 4 years now. I’m not out to get looks, feel cool or carry a man card. I’ve driven them all. My truck is a tool i use to complete the job and make MONEY.
I only started driving last year and even as a new driver, I have so many gripes about the new freightliners.
There is simply the fact that You are used to your truck and now that You are an old man with old habits, You don't like the new stuff and technology. And I understand that.
HOWEVER, that Cascadia will use WAY less fuel doing the same job compared to your truck.
Another thing You mentioned is that the Cascadia was never in the same gear, You'd be on yours. Well... That's an easy answer for someone that has the experience of manual and auto gearboxes. You are used to use the throttle in one way that does not affect the gearbox in manual. Also, You need a lot more time to shift in a manual, hence why on manuals everybody tends to build momentum and abuse slightly of the rpm's so We are sure We have time to shift gears. Wether, the auto gearboxes, shift almost instantly and also, It will shift one or two up if It knows It can cope with It, if It means less rpm's and less consumption.
There is one thing I agree with You. The fact that driving a truck, You need to be able to monitor constantly all gauges at once. It does not matter wether is analogic or digital but They need to be displayed at all times. And that's something the manufacturers should address and make It happen.
Thanks for the video and a lot of happy milles.
Peterbilts a truck for a man to drive!!! Love my manual peterbilt!
i allways thought freightliners was kind of like the cheverolet of big trucks.they can do about anything you need them to do if you spec them right for the job.the only problem was they never did anything really well.just well enough to get by for nearly all jobs.but nowdays they have caddilac prices for chevy quality.i can only imagine what a well equipped & speced western star (freightliners caddilac division) would cost.may as well buy a paccar for that money.
Thank you for giving a good, honest appraisal of both trucks. I've driven similar and I agree with so much of what you said. New trucks have some advantages, but what trucker doesn't love the classics? If you learned on a manual, you'll have that panic reaching for gears once a day at least!
Automatic are better for large OTR fleets that can't be picky about who their drivers are.
Hell I get out of my old truck jump in my f150 and find myself reachin for the clutch or shifter now and then 🤣
The invention of the automatic transmission made this job entirely too easy. My company is still 99.9 percent manual. I average over 8 miles a gallon still. They have us progressive shifting and keeping idling at minimum. To my knowledge they do not intend to change over to automatics.
Old school is the best school! Hahh, Cascadia simply doesn’t suit you!!! Keep up the good work. Cheers…
I started driving in a new truck, I hated all the safety rubbish they fitted, when we got newer trucks in the fleet they had lcd mirrors and touch screen controls. Trying to demist the windscreen doing 56mph down the motorway was dangerous.
The automatic gearbox changed gear at the wrong time when you tried to pull away, would try to start in too high a gear, the mirrors would make you think you had a police car behind you if it had led lights, now I drive a 2011 truck with 8 speed manual and I actually drive it.
Dave is the kinda guy that still using his old film camera. 😂
I just about spit out my coffee when I saw you were doing 96! 🤣 had to rub my eyes and take a moment to realize that it's Kilometers and not Miles.
I turned all my gauges where 12:00 is normal operating temperature or pressure. Old NASCAR trick.
From experience the older trucks if driven by the right guys are overall more durable and reliable...everything being put into new aero fleet trucks is foreshadowing potential automation in the future. They are slowly taking the skills outta of the seat and putting it in a computer.
Automatics always require an adjustment period. Anyone coming from a manual will hate em at first, but you learn how to manage the auto shifts and can control, or at least anticipate, what gear you'll be in based on your speed and throttle position and turning angle.
Gotta agree with you on that one. Went from a manual to an automated. I simply leave mine in manual mode.
New trucks are crap and new drivers are soft. Noisy old manual shifting is the way to go. Feels like your actually driving the truck. Schools are not even teaching how to shift gears unless you pay them to. I miss the old days of truckin when we looked out for each other instead of the f$@k em all attitude there is today.
I have driven both a company cascadia and a ungoverned rental. The rental is a completely different animal it truly is impressive. You also have different driving modes on the cascadia which most companies put in economy mode which guts the truck. Also the truck you where driving where an upper trim model they do have analog dash and a much smaller dash cam and no lane departure system.
for me that i grove up seating on passenger side of my dad old mack truck always i will love to hear the old truck engine noise specially the noise of turbo and feel of old truck manly feeling but for those new driver that never had those experience before driving the old truck will be nightmare 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
God Bless the old school TRUCKERS.....
not drivers.
Greetings from Alaska. You’re old school and so am I, can’t beat an old 379 or W900L with a C15 6NZ
That old school truck will watch 3 cycles of cascadias go thru the chipper before it quits going
In California you can make the new truck payment on the fuel difference between a new aero vs good truck I still like old good trucks better, but numbers don't lie.
Petes are a pain to back up especially when you have to open the door. Other than that old school is a win for me.
cdl schools...at least the one I am going to discourage trolley valve use except to test trailer brakes they likely moved it because it contributes to trailer skids and jack knifes at least according to numbers...and what they tell me and what it says in the book
If you have whisker mirrors on an aero truck you can use those as you would a long hood, to guide you in your lane position and spot drift in the snow/ice.
See why that long nose had a suicide knob !!! Because if you didnt have that knob you would end up with carple tunnel in your wrist after 6 months trying to get them backed in or turn it around
Thank you for not only your comparisons, but also your service to all of us, new, wanna be trucker, or experienced, in your helps in the trucking community.
Old school all the way! My company rig has been a 08 W900L, C15 CAT with an 18 speed. Sadly this weekend will be my last ride in it. My company is retiring the ol girl and putting me in a new Western Star with an awfulmattic...
My sympathies driver
Old school cool!! Wins every time.
since your sitting lowrider, must be hard to even see the hood.No way I could drive trucks anymore without atleast a 9 speed, taking the shifting out of driving removes all the fun
I agree with you 1000%! I drove a new International with the slope hood and I had to jack the seat up to orient the front of the truck. I had an old Classic XL and seeing my hood brought a sense of calm to driving in all aspects. Better ride too with the steers out front. I like long or snub nose compared to these new trucks for overall ride. AT is nice in town, but 13 or 18 is the only way to go.
They change the tunes on the cascadia for fuel economy i drove for that company last year and somehow got a faster truck with a different tune on it and boy did it pull compacted to the ones Maverick trans has then it got crashed in to and I was given another one and it just felt sad how hard that truck had to work to pull a small hill. I’ve yet to be in anything that pulled as good as that first cascadia I had a gp miss that truck so much
I will take the peterbilt any day of the week. Old school cool
To H311 with that new Frieghtliner! If I hired a driver that didn't prefer the old Pete, I'd fire him! 😆
The old truck look nice but I'll take the comfort and the fuel economy of the New Cascadia any day
Idk about comfort. Those cascadia’s ride like dog shit
How is a comparison of a cat vs dd15.
It’s more like glider vs glider.
Always old school wins hands down old truck's are more reliable than new one's.
Old school every day!! The Cat is a KILLER on new trucks
Old school is cool. And there's no comparison between that and those modern plastic toasters they call trucks nowadays...
Think going auto is to get more ppl into trucking , also helps get up to speed faster , I’m looking into getting my cdl
I agree with your observations 110% old school is the best school hands down. Too much technology in the vehicle can create a hike in cost and problems and repairs later on down the road.
Wouldn't be a cat if the oil levels were correct 🤣🤣🤣. C16 lover for life.
I agree with you on your conclusion. The Cascadia is an aerodynamic, fuel efficient machine, and that’s what a new driver needs to make money nowadays. Even the new Peterbilt’s are all digital dashes with smart wheels and smoother lines. They have to be to compete. That said, there’s nothing that compares to the old school rigs like yours. Keep her rolling down the road. Great video.
I like some of the driver comfort features of the new trucks. Better hvac, more spacious sleeper, Better head lights and better turning radius. I do not like how much the computer controls the new trucks though. Other than steering and hitting the brakes, every input you make is basically requesting permission from the computer to do something. Being stuck in front of the line at a shipper/reciever, unable to move because there is a fault in the computer so the transmission wont go into gear is absolutely infuriating.
Today was my second day solo and that happened to me 😂
Which trucks do you have?