@@Glinckey ok...but i have one question..are you from germany?? they use that word as startup in german language so i letting you know its funny to say it here
UserBenchmark shouldn't even exist at this point. The website completely GLAZES Intel and Nvidia. I am not saying I don't like the companies, in fact, I think they are awesome and a good CPU/GPU is a good CPU/GPU no matter the company. BUT I think we need another website or should stick to the more factual RUclips reviews on these future products as websites like UserBenchmark do not prove to have a whole lot of reliability on displaying performance of components.
Still available in france via LDLC (cost 620 cause massive consumption tax), ordered myself a new computer minus the GPU, gonna nab one of the new AMD GPUs once available, currently have 3060TI that is good but really struggling for some stuff i wanna do
I had a 7800x3d and switched to 9800x3d and man let me tell you, its night and day especially in games like Tarkov, Star Citizen, and heavy cpu demanding games. I literally doubled my fps in star citizen, from 40 to 80 fps in citys. This CPU is better in every game, but what most reviewers dont test are these heavy cpu demanding niche games. In tarkov i had literally a jump of 40 percent fps in streets of tarkov, so in reality the benefits and jumps in performance are even higher in such games.
@@OneManMakes Thank you for response! I want to build a PC in small form-factor, backpack friendly, so I'm wondering if I'll get 4070-based model (Super, Ti or Ti Super. I want to keep low TDP, but I need at least 12 GB, although 16GB preferred), then - would it be actually beneficial to get a crazy top tier CPU, or should I choose more budget one, because fps would be limited by GPU anyway. And in your case - I'm really surprised by fps doubling, it's something to think about...
Smart man. We can easily go 2 generations behind and have amazing experience on our PC's. Maybe not 100% of performance but 75-80% of it but for a third of the price.
Reviewing reviews is what in the scientific world is known as a meta-analysis. It's valuable when trying to see the big picture of something and discover patterns that only arise with enough data.
It's absolutely true that most laymen will find themselves watching tech reviews of the latest CPUs without understanding they're 98 % focused on gaming performance, and end up getting a device that's too pricey for what they need or set up the wrong build for their non-gaming application
This is why I went with an Intel 265K. I play one game only and a 12600k will run it at 240hz all day. I would rather have the twenty cores of the 265K for the other 23 hours in a day...
One thing I gotta say because I keep seeing people in here say "Well most don't have 4080 so its not worth it". Please stop thinking so black/white. Every game does not behave the same. It all comes down to which games you personally play. I personally play a lot of CPU intensive games like MMORPG's, Racing sims, along with Starcraft 2. Even at 1440p maxed out with my 3080 TI, I saw huge gains going from my 3950x, to my 5900x, to my 5800X3D all on the same setup. Do not let coping people that don't wanna upgrade steer you away from what could be a astronomical gain in 1% lows and frametimes equivalent to a new GPU. Not everyone only plays GPU bound games. So please stop telling people there's no difference as a blanket statement based only on what games YOU play. Do I plan on jumping to AM5 from my 5800X3D? Probably not but if I were still on my 5900x? I most definitely would be due to the gains I would see. Hell, I would have done it with the 7800X3D if I still were on that CPU. And if you are using a low end GPU, then it is obvious you upgrade that before the CPU and you shouldn't even be in here saying to others "its not worth it" period.
Absolutely right :) I play Tarkov, Squad, HLL and that kind of games. Today I swapped 5800x3d for 9800x3d and man.... In EFT my GPU utilization went 99% and 1% lows are great. Its really about games you play. You need to do the research :)
@jeyjey80 Absolutely right man. The only thing holding me back is the platform swap. Those 1% lows in Steve's benchmarks I saw (GN) from the 5800X3D to the 9800X3D are insane. Then just naturally better clock speeds overall? Having 1% lows be at 120fps in a title vs hypothetically 160fps is HUGE.
I would love to see some factorio GIGABASE avg FPS and some Sampsa GTNH base in Minecraft in comparsion, but sadly, testing is done only on CPU unintensive AAA games therefore 250 frames are achivable. Like, this games was built in a way to reduce CPU load at maximum, and actually CPU is doing some stupid work on simulating some small bits, while simulation based games actually use that CPU power to do something. Oh dudes my friend got only 27 fps in my minecraft world on r5 3600, and i got 80 fps :/ threrefore was chosen to host that ancient bloat to play together. Still GPU prices ALOT higher than CPU, (my 4060 costs around the same as i got my 7800x3d which was fastest in the world before) and getting anything cheaper on CPU will not change anything in grand scheme of things.
I game at 1440p. In most game it won't matter. I did gain 39 fps in BG3 using a 7900xt. So even at 1440p with everything cranked up to the highest settings it is great. I was on a 7700x for reference. It had a -23 offset at 250 overlock. It would run all core at 5.5.
@u13erfitz Most games you play? Sure man. In most games I play it makes a huge difference because they are so CPU intensive even at maxed 1440p settings. It all comes down to what each individual user plays so there is no concrete "it wont or will matter" definitely.
"The reason you need this CPU is that you won't survive without this CPU in this harsh world. If you have any other CPU - your days are numbered, if you don't get this CPU now"
That is such a good answer. As a guy playing mostly single player stuff it's also needed for that, 1% lows are super important for using FG. I saw Alan Wake 2 doubled from 33fps and still looking great on 5800x3d - but when fight came lows would tank below 30 and ruin the effect. I also saw wukong doubled 35>65 fps, looking great and super smooth and responsive. I've beaten Erlang using FG. Conversly, my cyberpunk pt on 120fps was tanking to 27fps and still looked choppy.
Do you think the 1% lows are more important? Your wrong. 1% lows and average fps are just as important. You want the 1% lows to be as close as possible the the average fps for smoother gameplay. From what I have seen, the 1% lows and average fps has quite a large gap for the 9800x3d.
This is actually a niche role to fill. Brilliant, actually. Consider doing this format for other products in this space, because it spares a bit of time for those who didn't pour over the data from each of their favorite reviewers.
@@natel7382 the cpu costs 475 and depending on what CPU you have you gain 20-40fps on average. I switched from a 7800x3d and my 1% lows are literally now very close to my average fps. For instance, in cyberpunk I used to get 90ish fps but 1% lows were below 50-40 fps which was noticeable. With the 9800x3d I get 70ish fps for the 1% lows and average is about the same. And that literally is the case in all games. The overall gaming performance is much stabler. And I’m ready for the 5090. Maybe if I was dumb I wouldn’t have money like you.
@@chrisking6695 you spent all that money for a couple extra fps. Lol I'll take the 300 I saved and get a 5070s when it comes out. At 1080p these cpus make a huge difference. At higher resolutions it's all about the gpu. But hey you do you I'll do me and at the end of the day we enjoy it that's all that matters. And buying anything over a 70 series is just a waste of money. You can waste money I'll take the misses out to dinner.
@@FantomMisfit right but that's fine. I can see that purchase. You are getting better fps. But if I got a 7800x3d I'd get 4 extra fps. If that. 9800x3d will give me 10. So I have to spend 500 bucks for 1p fps. But if I sold my 4070s for a 4090 I'm spending a thousand more but I'm getting what 40% gains? What's more worth it 1 percent gains or 40? That's my point. Save the money on the cpu and get a better GPU. My 7600x3d is enough to start. I spent 450 on cpu ram mobo. Less than a 7800x3d or 9800x3d. And I get comparable fps. And my temps are lower with less power consumption. I have a family a child. So I barely even have time to game. I'll continue to buy mid range stuff to make sure my child gets whatever he wants. People live different lives. But my first point still stands. The difference between the cpus isn't enough to justify purchasing if you have a 3dv cache chip. For 1 percent lows. Sunken cost fallacy is a thing.
i got a 8700k and this CPU is what finally made me want to upgrade. I play a lot of heavily CPU based simulation games so this is the kind of beast that i can easily justify upgrading a 7 year old + CPU for.
Sidenote: If you upgrade from 7800x3d, you are NOT spending another 480$ for the upgrade.. You spend the DIFFERENCE of 480 and whatever you sell your 7800x3d for. Somehow nobody ever says this Consider this as a review of your review of reviews.
@@Snxgur Or you can be like me, buy two 9800x3d at $454 each, then sell one in a new build PC for a $400 profit. Actual cost of my kept 9800x3D ~$100 and I had a great time building 2 new PCs.
My videocard 500 buck. It fine. No need for 1000+ videocard. I need a 9900X3D for the threads though, Handbrake, Reaper, etc. Though for the games I play, Eve Online, L4D2, GTFO... yeah that is pretty much it, I need the X3D.
For a $500 GPU you would be fine even with a 7600x.. to unlock the potential of a X3D chip you really need a 4080 super or a 4090.. so you don't HAVE to get a X3D chip. Especially if you game at 1440p
@@zaron8614 Ryzen 7700X, 64GB DDR5-6400, RTX4070 Super (€550-580 depends so little more). It drives a 3440×1440 which I love and would recommend. Keeping open Dscan on a 2nd screen was the dream but 1 window only so ultrawide gives a little more space to keep that opened up. If you hate extra wide but play Eve a lot, I would even recommend you get a 2nd hand or cheap 2560×1080 screen if you want to keep it cheap and run it on that. I usually run vsync but turning it off, busy system, everything high, ultra where possible, no FSR, 143 lows and 176 max. Turning volumetric and reflections to high instead gives 179-192. I just started up to check. It will (should) not be cpu limited even on a 5600X but I keep a lot of stuff open so I felt it a little. I ran that on this screen with an RTX3060 12G and from memory it ran around 70-80 fps. It ran around 45-50 at 4K. Around 30-40 with a Ryzen 3100 but toning it down to mostly medium even that thing can get good fps on a 4K with the 3060.
7800x3d costed around as much as 4060 in my country, and getting 4070 seems pointless to "balance" it. I could just upgrade to 6060 in 5 years and still have overkill build there lol
@@zaron8614 Maan YT yeeeted my comment again. One more try: all maxed out to high with 7700 4070S, 160-180, 3440×1440 (better use of screen especially Dscan). On Ultra 140-ish. 5600 with 3060 90-110 iirc, on 4K with 3100+3060 45-50, 5600+3060 50-60 on 4K.
Living on a budget, still on the AM4 platform, with the added cost of going AM5, with the 5800X3d becoming over priced, coming from a Ryzen 5600, picked up a brand new Ryzen 5700X3D, for $196 dollars Vs a 5800X3d a vanishing CPU in the market place, now going for the close to the $400 and sometime above price point, a FPS gamer @ 74 yrs, young, doubt if I'll ever see the point in going AM5, as running a RX 6950, and 32 GBs of RAM @ 3600 MHz, that gaming at 1440P gives me more than a 100 plus frame rate in the games I play, believe bang for buck is important, wonder the worth if buying the bagging rights, for owning the 9800X3D, unless one needs to own a top dog CPU, can see if building a new system, , but in my mind if your present rig meets or excels your gaming needs, is it really worth the cost upgrading to a GPU and motherboard that can fully make usage of the 9800X3d ?
Your gpu is the same as mine, I play in 4k with a 5800x3d. I bet your setup would do 4k at 60fps in most games if you ever upgrade to 4k. I agree there is no reason to upgrade as any meaningful upgrades will cost over a thousand dollars. Not worth it when you could wait and get better performance for the same money in the future
Keeping a platform and upgrading parts for 6-8 years is much more practical, not to mention economical, than buying the latest and greatest every couple of years. The only reason people think they need to upgrade is because they tell you that you do. It's marketing. If cellphones weren't engineered with a lifespan in mind, with software purposely gimping them over time, they'd last 6-8 years too. Honestly, for the average use case a high-end phone from 4 years ago would still work fine for 99.9% of people now.
@@tylerweston6358 Thanks for the info, another reason, I feel the cost of going the AM5 route in upgrading, will be 75 in three months, while I can still hold my own in co-op games, not quite sure how much longer I will be gaming, as thinking with the rig I have now, should be able to hang in there another few years 🙃
@@jonathanscherer8567 Agree 100%, if something meets or excels your needs, why waste the money, as the old saying: if it still works, does the job and not broken, why suffer the cost to replace it!
I understand why the reviewers deliberately test at 1080p on a RTX 4090 in order the highlight cpu bottlenecks however most people with a 4090 game at 1440p or 4K where you may not see much of a difference. Linus kind of mentioned this in his review.
In 1080p thats how you test the cpu, the 4090 is there in every benchmarks just to compare in the best fairly rig. Why no? Imagine doing the test with a rx 580
And that is why I didn't switch to Zen5 in July, when the 7800X3D was sold at 360EUR with 2 game bundle. Because at my resolution with my GPU I could get extra 10% upgrading CPU even though YT tests suggested 30%+ using RTX4090 at 1080p. New MB, new CPU, 800EUR for 10% in gaming? Just no. Now the 9800X3D being 10% faster should be worth what - 400EUR? But people will go crazy just to get the best of the best for a few months. Which is fine by me.
@Vex remember that the temperature readings on the 7000 series are not really comparable to 9000 series, they moved the location of the sensors and most people believe the 7000 series was overreporting temperature.
on 7900x its reporting 71c .....and now 9000x series ...reporting 90c as new norm ...soon everyone on amd be on 100c like intel raptor lake for zen6...amd left in their tank is push more power on refresh of refresh on dying socket...i would not buy any zen6 when tsmc gonna have major problems when gonna 100c ...they gonna have same problems with 7900xtx ....vapor chamber gate that turn water to steam fast that resulted crack dies...its why folks are super caution buying 7900xtx...never buy AMD brand made cooler ...
On the LTT point around higher resolutions, Hardware Unboxed did a really good video on how the low resolution numbers predict the expected performance difference between CPUs in games 2 years from now.
I don't think those two products are aim at mid range or entry level gamers bro.... I mean the 9800X3D is literally the best gaming cpu , if someone want to build a PC around it that they would have the budget to buy a 4080 class or XTX class GPU.
Games like Factorio (for megabases) or late game stellaris benefit greatly form better CPUs, a better CPU translates directly to building a bigger megabase in factorio before you start lagging.
I dont think its worth the upgrade even though the performance is quite a bit higher, Personally would wait for Zen 6 X3D if youve got an 7000x series cpu
Imo, it depends on what you do. If you already have a beefy GPU (4080/4080S/XTX/4090) and you usually game on 1440p (That's the case for me), getting more CPU performance goes a long way. Plus I play a lot of CPU limited games like SocialVR. Would love to move from my 7700X to a 9800X3D but I'll have to wait until stock replenishes sadly.
@@Sepfox I mean I got 7900xt and I gained fps on bg3. Went from 90 average to 129. I am able to play halo with max ray trace at 123. I was getting 123 on ray traced low before. Yeah if you don't have a 4070 ti super class or above there is no point.
This is a genius move. Really serious. I am tired of seeing similiar CPU reviews with slight differences, it's soo saturated. It is refreshing to see an analysis on all of the big reviewers and comming to a holistic conclusion.
Using a i7 8700k with a 3070. Running games on 3440x1440p no issues hitting decent frames around med-high. But the 1% lows are starting to hit hard. Also 8gb vram is an issue on its own. Might just go with the 9700x
Obviously the 1% lows are the reason you have to change the cpu. This kind of monster 9800X3D maintains the 1% lows very high, this monster sometimes keep the lows as a the average in other cpu. 9700x is a good option if you have the money, there’s better budget options like R7 7700 or even the R5 7600X
9000 series is bad in general for gaming compared to 7000 series. Do yourself a favor and save money going with a 7700x for better bang for buck while still having the AM5 upgrade path.
I had a 13900K, an MSI Z790i Edge motherboard, and a RAM kit rated for 8000MHz, but I was running it at 7200MHz. It was nothing but problems-issues after issues-for almost a year. What a nightmare! So, I decided to make a change. I bought a 9800X3D, paired it with the Asus X870E Crosshair Hero, and installed my 8000MHz RAM with XMP (38-48-48-84 timings). This combination works like a charm! It runs much cooler compared to the Intel setup, and the stability in games is fantastic!
I remember when Intel was retailing their just released 7700K, a four core cpu, for $345. This was back several years ago now so AMD asking $480 for an 8 core 9800 X3D with superlative gaming performance and full of advanced tech is not an overreach in price. The cost of materials most definitely have doubled from when the first Ryzen cpu was released.
@@rattlehead999 The process node is significantly more expensive, chiplets only help negate the expensive 4nm TSMC silicon. Not to mention there has been significant inflation since the days when the 7700K was the latest Intel offering. Kaby Lake was launched in 2016! The top Intel gaming CPU in 2020 was the 10900K which sold for $488. The 11900K sold for over $500. Not to mention when you're king of the hill in terms of gaming performance you get to set the price. Intel charged a premium for their best gaming CPU for years.
@@hochhaul Economy of scale, they've been selling 10x more chips since 2017. Kaby Lake came out in 2017, skylake was 2016. And yes intel charged a premium, a.k.a overpriced for years, so case and point.
@rattlehead999 Chiplets may improve the cost scaling but yields are stillin the range of just around 55%. One TSMC 5nm wafer is just under $17,000. A wafer of TSMC 4nm is estimated to be around $20,000. Intel 7nm is under $10,000 per wafer. AMD does have higher costs. They dont own the fab, they are customer. Chiplets only helps reduce that premium price. A 9800X3D chiplet is a premium binned chiplet. It's going to go for a premium... the exact same price Intel charged for a 10900k when that was declared the best gaming CPU.
To be fair, it's an 11% increase over the CPU that's already like 15% faster than its closest competitor. Upgrading from literally any other CPU is gonna give you a much higher uplift.
@@HunterTracks This. If you are on 7800x3d i would skip it. That being said I was on 7700x -23 offset 5.5 ghz all core overclock. BG3 went from 90 fps average at 1440p with everything turned up to 129 fps. I am using 7900xt for graphics. I can now run halo with maximum ray tracing at same fps as low before. 123 fps.
@@u13erfitzAgree with both of you. This chip is ideal for someone running a 5800x3D or older imo, or someone who bought a non x3D 7000 chip and overspent on their MB planning to upgrade. And, frankly, it shouldn’t be bought until March or so. AMD said they launched early so some people could get for holidays, but stock will pick up as time goes on. I wouldn’t go from 7800x3D to the 9800x3D unless planning to sell the 7800x3D (and thus your out of pocket is just the difference between what you sell the 7800 for)
good stuff, we needed some won to do the renew for the renew s, there has to be some won doing the meta analysis as people say in academic circles. In fact if you make this a series we can do. title [computer product] review meta analysis. yes I think we can make this happen?
I'm still running my 15 year old Intel Gen 1 i7 920 and I'm finally upgrading to the new 9800X3D. Oh, I need a new GPU that I can't afford now after the upgrade. Guess I'm stuck with my GTX 1060 6G for a while longer. At least my new cpu will be future proof for many years to come.
why 9800x3d if you dont have gpu like rtx4090 , look at reviews if you plannig on midrange gpu then 9800x3d will be waste of money , if you go for rx7800xt or rtx4070 ti level gpu then go for 7700x or 9700x , it will save you $150 . fps will be same , honestly always pair midrange cpu woth midrange gpu .
18:30 It's a gaming chip, of course it's a toy. I get some people can't risk $470 but make no mistake it's a toy. If you're serious about money and productivity, you go with something else.
In 2 weeks. I got two of them at different times for $454 each. Deals are out there, just keep your eye on the stock. I did a custom build and sold the first one as a new PC and made a $400 profit. I kept the second one and my oh my is this processor awesome (I replaced my 3950x and partnered with 64gb of Cl30 DDR5 speed 6000 ram and a 20gb video card). Lived up to the hype.
it's a dang shame they reused the I/O die from Zen 4! The performance upgrade could've been even more delicious, especially paired with memory higher than 6000Mhz! 9800X3D paired with 8000Mhz RAM would've been a monster!
Yup. But probably very deliberate since they've seen no real competition from Intel the past four years. They didn't have to upgrade the IO die in Zen 5 to demolish Intel and even easily beat their own previous gen performance king 7800x3d. They're saving the new die for Zen 6 so that they will get another significant generational boost in 2026 even if they can't improve the architecture all that much.
I had a 13900K, an MSI Z790i Edge motherboard, and a RAM kit rated for 8000MHz, but I was running it at 7200MHz. It was nothing but problems-issues after issues-for almost a year. What a nightmare! So, I decided to make a change. I bought a 9800X3D, paired it with the Asus X870E Crosshair Hero, and installed my 8000MHz RAM with XMP (38-48-48-84 timings). This combination works like a charm! It runs much cooler compared to the Intel setup, and the stability in games is fantastic!
I can really respect this answer, I like how the reviews are summarized and condensed. what I like most tho is the not jumping on a hype train. unless you have a 4090 most processors from the 190-250 range (intell 13th gen or comparable ryzen) will be great matches from your RTX=3070 to RTX 4080. neither of them will be significant bottle necks to each other. taking the jump to a 9800x3d and making it useful is bleeding edge level of money as you would be looking at another 1k in video card and possibly another 300+ for a mobo so 1500-1800 total investment. and thats if you have the memory which would be another 200-400 if you dont. its really not worth it. that 2 grand could be spent in a lot of other areas to make the gaming experience all around better. bigger/better monitor, surround sound headset, gaming chair, KB/Mouse and/oror put into savings and wait for the prices to come down which is the best bet.
Pcs are all about balance! No point in upgrading cpus without a stronger gpu upgrade. Having a faster cpu doesnt make your gameplay better because of bottleneck.
I have an Intel 9900K. I didn't even know about X3D CPUs until about 6 months ago when I made the decision to get AMD for my next PC. I plan to get the 9800X3D along with the 5000 series GPU.
So your premise is that the 9800 X3D isn't what they (their titles) say it is, and then your conclusion is that... it's basically exactly what they (their conclusions) say it is. Just because a group uses a kind of clickbaity title doesn't mean their conclusion is exactly that of the title. Humans click click bait.
I feel like not enough people are talking about the fact that if you have a 9800x3D, odds are you have a 4080 or 4090 tier card. Which in turn means, you will likely be playing at 1440p or 4k. That makes the CPU difference quite small in most cases.
@@alexrain1060 Yes but most gamers understand that GPU is a higher priority than CPU. As games are usually more GPU demanding. If I am dropping 3k on a PC, I am not playing at 1080p. It would be like having a monster PC and using a $10 Dell mouse. It does not really make sense.
@Plague_Doc22 I have the 13700k and game at 4k. I really had to search multiple videos to try and find 4k benchmarks. The differences are really small to none sometimes. For someone like me, the 9800x3d isn't really an upgrade.
@@TheSoxor123 Yeah you really dont need a super high end CPU to game at 4k. I think people just default to thinking "oh I have an expensive GPU, I should spend a lot on a CPU too" which is often times not even justified. Maybe if you play CPU intensive games at 4k then it could, but even then you can just get a "high mid end" CPU and be perfectly fine.
After the fail of the non-X3D Zen 5's and Arrow Lake, I think reviewers went a bit too soft on the 9800X3D. For me, it is a overpriced 8-core CPU that only excels at gaming but is too slow vs. the competition in that tier in multi-core workloads (e.g. 14700K is much better at compilation workloads where every core you've got counts).
You're also not including efficiency, reliability and different metrics. These products are usually tested with a 360mm water cooled AIO or similar. My case doesn't have room for one of those. Additionally, my 850w PSU doesn't have enough rails to supply 3 to my 4080 and an extra to the motherboard for high power CPU's, nor do I want to install a water cooler over my highly reliable Noctua NH-D15 air cooler that has been going for years and has many more in it (and free adapters for future architectures). Not to mention I don't want to deal with Intel 13 + 14th gen reliability issues. Everyone has different needs, but there are a lot of customers who are happy with what AMD is offering over the competition and Intel doesn't seem to want to service that segment of the market. For what it is targetting I think the 9800X3D is a might fine CPU to build around or as a potential slot in upgrade for people down the line as the price drops. I think reviewers are just expressing this sentiment in their role for their relative consumer base. People focusing on production and compilation will get their reviews from content creators focussing on that segment of the market.
@@yaroslavcoloskov6357 If that is all what you want, sure - go for it. But for people like me that need decent gaming performance AND productivity performance, it is a mixed bag and neither AMD or Intel really have an offer that combines leadership performance for both areas for an affordable mid-range price. I've settled for a 14700K and albeit having seen some platform issues, it is mostly fine for my gaming needs and really flies when compiling with my undervolt using a Deepcool Assassin III.
@@cynicle As I've stated before, gamers can get very happy with the 9800X3D. But for my own needs, the 14700K still was the overall best choice as I also wanted to keep using my DDR4 RAM from a previous build to save some money. While a water cooler would provide a bit of extra performance and lower temps, it is not strictly required if you undervolt a 14700K (I get around 36.000 CB23 points with a Deepcool Assassin III), the instability issues were fixed recently and I am very happy with the multi-core performance. Five years of warrenty should cover any degradation risk that might still be there. Everyday desktop power consumption levels are also very low, where I spent most of my time. While I would have hoped for AVX-512 support, lower temps and lower power draw, I can't complain too much about how that build turned out so far which I got the CPU and motherboard for a very decent price.
Absolutely insane seeing the 7800X3D listed for almost $500, when just this past summer I was able to get a bundle at Micro Center for a motherboard, the 7800X3D, and 32 gigs of RAM for $500.
Bro when I saw the (IIRC) mclaren in his video, like to show it off to the audience.. I fckin know you don't make that kind of money on RUclips especially since he doesn't do "sponsored" reviews, even if he had an actual "IRL" job with the way everything costs in Au having that kind of disposable income is insane unless he won the lotto or had a background of money. Good for him tho I guess.
I got that Micro Center bundle deal on the 7800X3D a few months ago before the price spiked. That was good timing. Odds are if you're spending that much on a CPU, you're likely not running at 1080p. And if you're GPU bottlenecked and won't see a difference in framerate, you might as well put that money toward something else. But for new AM5 platform adopters who want the best gaming CPU, this certainly appears to be it.
One of the main reasons for the positive reviews is how, for the first time, an x3d part outperforms or, in rare instances, matches the intel parts in every single game. It in a way solves the problem of prior x3d parts always being inherently weaker in some games due to the thermal limit, and that's why it's such a good CPU. Also, testing in 1080p also shows how a CPU will perform in the long-term once faster GPUs are available and would therefore squeeze more out of the available CPU resources.
I think another consideration is that given the close price between the 7800x3d and the 9800x3d a lot of people switching from Intel, especially after all the issues and the 285k launch, or upgrading to AM5 will want to buy it, though more so for higher end builds. 10% more for a $30 difference is quite nice at that point.
My current outlook on this cpu is that the best way to save some money purchasing it is to wait for the 9950x3d. There are 2 outcomes, either the x3d is a dual cache CPU and has no issues with core parking (or its just better out of the box compared to prior generations) or the price of the 9800x3d will drop after the 9950x3d comes out thus making a performance oriented build more affordable. I'm waiting for to see how good the 9950x3d is.
Yeah, like no one is mentioning how stupidly impractical this scenario is. Unless you're banging out complicated RTSes, a lot of people in that bracket (high end) that have something like a 4090 and 4080 are gonna play at 4k, in which honestly the CPU is not gonna matter so much that you must have a 9800x3d over, say, a 7700X or a 5800x3D. I'm sure that people who have that much money are just gonna flex it on a 9800x3d anyway but personally I will never be in that price bracket, so I cba. Most people won't be in that price bracket either.
Large scale RTS games like Stellaris, buiding games like Factorio and similar are all CPU limited. You can run a Factorio megabase on a GTX 1060 and it will still be CPU limited.
Clock speed is a direct linear correlation to performance. Typicall boost clock on my 7800x3D was about 4.9ghz and the boost on my 9800x3D stays at 5.2ghz. That's a 300mhz difference, which is about 6% just in clock speed advantage. If the average is a 11% uplift in games, then that falls in line with the Zen 5% IPC uplift.
@Tealc2323 I am if you want me to Embarrass you to your guts, to the point that you may leave internet forever. OR I may choose not to reply and just let you exist on Internet. Hey, I'd say STFU and stop what you are doing. Go and play some video games, GAMER. Don't waste time, and you can grab the fastest CPU there is.
This is really low intelligence take. In 4k gaming 7500f will be 5% behind 9800x3d....at 1/6 the price. X3d chips are for shit graphics competitive/simulator games. That's it.
I think this might be the perfect chip for content creators (especially gaming ones). The "Productivity" benchmarks may seem iffy at first glance, but in content creation focused areas like video editing (premiere/davinci resolve) and photoshop, it actually ends up being much closer to the 9900x than it is the 9700x, with the photoshop benchmark putting it near the top of the charts (according to Puget Systems). That's more than enough for just about anyone, plus the chart topping gaming performance, and the relatively cool thermals, and the fact there's no core parking. It also provides much headroom for GPU upgrades in the future. Like bruh, I haven't been this excited for a CPU in forever. They somehow outdid the already legendary 7800X3D in everything but value and availability.
GPU prices are stupidly high. 4060 costs as much and getting less than 7800x3d to get 1/3rd of money to update to 4070 is strange. BTW i got mine 7800x3d for 470$ in 2023 and 4060 costed 400$ while 4070 was like 660$.
Even this cpu is impressive at 1080p, its not going to give me any faster fps at the 5120x1440p or 7680x2160p that my monitor can do. I think even going from my 5950x to this 9800x3d with my 7900xtx, NOTHING will be gained in games. - people should really be carefull when they watch these reviews and not be blinded by the 10% uplift they all show at 1080p in games. people could go for much slower cpu´s in games, but then pick one that will outperform the 9800x3d in any productivity that they are doing other than games. I would STRONGLY recommend that all these testers will add at least one game at 1440p / 2k / 4k / 8k at the end of the list of games they test at 1080p, just to make it very very clear to people that at higher resolution they will not benefit any meaningfull fps. BUT it depends on a users needs games at 1080 VS games at 4k + productivity
reviewers won't do that, because once the viewers realize how little CPU performance matters for gaming, they're going to lose a lot of interest in CPU content.
@@Alvin853 CPU matter for Ray Tracing and for intense 4X game with huge database that do many calculation or simulation game. It also let you avoid bottleneck with good GPU. When you build a new computer you need to have the information about what you are going to buy and the hardware spec are not gonna help you with that.
@@Mr11ESSE111 Theres a huge difference between FX, Sandy Bridge and modern CPUs... Of course at some point they're going to be too slow, but for most people a Zen2 or Zen3 chip, or Intel 9th-12th Gen, would be absolutely enough, yet they still buy the latest and greatest because reviewers tell them how much faster these CPUs are.
I only just got 5800x 3d and it more than enough for me personally 600 quid for full platform upgrade wasn't worth it for me but good to see things moving forward can only imagine where it will be next time I upgrade in few years
I mean yeah, for the price it's not really that impressive to me. 7800x3d was over 100 dollars cheaper on Amazon for almost this whole year, so 10% extra performance doesn't seem like a good enough trade off to me. And it's not like lower end chips suck, you can get within 20% of the performance of this chip for less than half the price. People have been too conditioned by shitty gains, 10% is not excited and we shouldn't pretend like it is.
Bruh, it's 10% on AVERAGES. it's more like 20+% on 1% lows, you know, the big time stutters that take you right out of the game. No doubt, the 7800x3d is good and for the money great, but it just ain't fast like this one is. Peace
It's USD $222 difference between the 7800X3D and 9800X3D in my country, and I have moved on from 1080p gaming. Idt it was worth it, so i went with the 7800X3D
i dont know but did they testing the 285k on the bios version 15 october and release the tests on the 285k launch day? i will wait until december 6 to see what the 285k really offering us. the biggest issue of intel was the line sharing and z890 has all the extra lines we needed.
It's as good as they say, if you play 1080p. Otherwise it's going to be difficult to see the difference with other CPU. We need more graphs with all the resolutions at once.
If the 9950x3d comes out with dual CCD AND dual cache even if the amount of cache is halved to 32m per CCD its still gonna be an amazing CPU for anything. If they put the same 64m cache on each CCD no other chip would ever touch it in both gaming and production. There wouldn't be an upgrade until they could substantially up the clocks. The 10,000 series would NEED to break the 6 mark by a bit at least a 6.2 to even have a chance of sale. What do you think?
Thinking about getting it with a microcenter bundle, do y'all think it's worth the upgrade from my current Ryzen 5 3600? I feel incredibly CPU limited which makes my games feel terrible in quite literally everything due to the 1% lows. Since it'll be a bundle, I'm also using this as an excuse to upgrade everything such as the Ram, storage, cooling, motherboard, and obviously the CPU. For the PSU and GPU, I already have those settled luckily
upgrading to the new chip from a 5800x (non 3d) so i think i'll see a massive uplift and it will force my 4090 to finally work a little. i do play a lot of cpu intensive sims in vr (racing and flying) so the 5800x is usually the limiting factor. also going to ddr5 is a big uplift. monitor games are played on 32/9 1440p, so that is also a lot of pixels, for a quick reference, regular 1440p is around 3.7 million pixels, my monitor pushes that to 7.4 million, and my vr headset currently pushes 4.6 million but i've got an order in for the somnium VR1 which will almost quadrupple the amount of pixels to 16.6 million. all in all i think my usecase does really justify running the 4090 and now the 9800x3d. thank you for reading this TedTalk.
I managed to get a 9800X3D at launch and holy cow does this thing run well. I also have a 7700X (non-3D) and this new X3D chip both undervolts and overclocks way better. As Vex said in the video, overclocking it doesn't really improve the performance that much, but I can undervolt it to damn near oblivion and get a 5.2 GHz all core sustained clock speed while the cpu runs at 55 C. At stock it ran at 75 C, which isn't exactly that hot already. lots of frequency headroom for overclocking if you want it.
hey man. I might get one of them early next year, and was thinking exactly the same: no overclocking, but yes undervolting fthe sake of better thermals. Could you share the video you used as a manual to undervolt your 9800x3d safely?
@@Обовсём-э9х I didn't use a guide or anything. just went into the bios, set Precision Boost Overdrive to advanced, then selected curve optimizer, and set it to an all core negative 40 offset. YMMV depending on the silicon quality of the chip. some chips won't be able to do 40. My other pc has a 7700X and it can only do -20 offset.
the 9800x3D also has some consideration to think about too... the multicore is 46% slower then a 7950x3d according to CPU monkey - but still a good to great enough chip. As u saw in your charts of this video- it didn't top out but was strong enough to be a competitor.
@@karakaaa3371 all this while you can get dirt cheap xenon from 2018 from aliexpress to just be on par with 7950x3d in multicore productivity :D. Idunno. This dudes really compare threaded load in PC while people invented servers for threaded performance years ago lol.
What AM5 CPU would you recommend for Sapphire Nitro+ 7900XT ??? I would really like to know a honest opinion because every review is with nvidia cards. I now have it paired with Ryzen 7 5800X on X370 Gigabyte gaming K7.
For gaming especially, I suspect for most people with any half-way decent CPU, a significant GPU upgrade is probably the first priority before a better CPU would even be particularly relevant.
For singleplayer titles i would argue that 1% lows on the fps is more important for immersion. If youre running vsync for example you care about the 1% lows more than the max fps. Let's say the display is 120hz and your cpu max output is 200fps. But if the 1% lows are 100fps than vsync of 120fps fluctuating down to 100fps randomly will break immersion, but if the 1% lows are 120fps and ur vsync is 120hz for the display than no fluctuation and perfect immersion can be attained.
Well you've almost convinced me to use my savings for a Mac Mini M4, £480 for a 9800X3D vs a Mac Mini M4 for another £100... When considering upgrading from an existing system, having to reinstall and re-tune everything can be a major pita! Think I might stick with my 7600x and 3080 FE for a while yet.
If you overclocked the 7800x3D to the same speeds as the 9800x3D, is there comparable benchmarks? I did remember that Jayz2cents did say that with the flipped chip, the cooling is better and the speedboost under load is more stable, while the 7800x3D couldn't maintain the speedboost.
As someone upgrading from an i7 8700k, theres literally no other processor worth considering for the moment if I'm looking for a chip to last me the next half decade or so. Nice to see AMD doing well at last. Last time I was shopping they were very much behind Intel. Now if only their GPUs stopped sucking too...
I upgraded from a 12700k to a 9700x recently with a micro center bundle deal on amazon and tbh I'm just happy I got off the intel platform and upgraded to ddr5 finally lol
I got the 9800x3d, upgraded from the 7800x3d. And? 10% uplift, but there's one major factor that some of you gloss over. Though it draws more power than the 7800x3d, the temps are about 15 to almost 20c cooler (depending on the game). 7800x3d was running about 78 to 84c on an AIO!!! That's my experience. The 9800x3d on average is barely going past 64c on the same exact games. All I did was take one chip out, put the newer one in on the same AM5 board. The only major difference is the bios update to support 9000 chips. I am happy with my purchase!
I upgraded from an intel 8700K to a 9800X3D. My FPS in combat in ZZZ went from 109 fps to 190-200 fps. 4080S, 3440x1440p, max graphics settings. I also tried it in Linux, but bazzite-open-nvidia just wasn't happy with my setup, I was only getting ~55 fps under Wine, with noticeable frametime spikes and slowdowns, the averages were okay, but the lag and slowdowns made it borderline unplayable.
If you already own a 7000 chip, especially the 7800x3d you could sell it used for a good portion of it's original price once you acquire a 9800x3d. Say you sell it for 300$ now the 9800 is only 180$ for a 10% increase. Of course this just depends on what your priorities are, but anyone who is able to keep their parts modern should be able to get decent resell values.
Got a 9800x3d for my new build upgrading from an 11600k, keeping a 3070ti until the next gen in cope that AMD will offer better competition against NVIDIA than last gen. Love the gpu-bound bottleneck but ive had this build for like 3 years so i want to get more power for the future. Especially since cpu-intensive games are getting even bigger like strategy titles. Hoping this will increase from my 20-40fps in late game factorio, rimworld, and hoi
I am hyped too and want to try it, i usually do this, order and test it, if i am happy i ll keep it if not return it within 60 days. Trust me, i return it 90% of the time. Currently have 7800x3d 4090 and play on 4k 240hz qd oled
I used to be able to distance myself from luxury hardware. There was a clear difference between what goes over to luxury from a pragmatic standpoint of performance, and content creators who'd predominantly feature one over the other, so I just wouldn't follow them. The schism between the purchasing power of the average user and the cost of higher-end harware is getting larger, while more and more tech channels try to peddle them as mainstream. 18:32 perfectly exemplifies this attitude, which you rightly called out. In February 2019 I could afford the most performant desktop CPU money could buy, with the most feature-rich miniITX board on offer at that time. I would need to spend five times more money to match the representation of that class of hardware today (while getting less features on the motherboard because 4xSATA, SPDIF and 8x USB on the rear I/O just don't exist in miniITX on AM5 today, but I digress). Many of us feel priced out of meaningful upgrades, while we’re exposed to constant marketing for increasingly expensive products more than before. This is not a good trend. And I appreciate that you focused on budget in the video.
I'm more than ready to finally upgrade my 5900X, but I'm going to wait until the R9 3Ds come out and maybe that Intel gaming chip that may or may not be planned. Then I'm definitely not pulling the trigger until Frame Chasers has had ample time to tune them and come to a conclusion on what will really provide the best experience. Seems like he's the only one online who actually knows how to get the most out of silicone these days without being pressured by the hardware cult that influences most other PC gaming hardware content creators. I hope all the best CPUs are launched by time the 5090 or whatever they call it is released.
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Ok so now someones gotta review your review of the reviews
I review this: the review of the reviews is very good
It’s been scalped by bots nobody was able to buy it other than those who went to micro center
waiting for Daniel Owen to review the review of reviews.
@@InfernoTrees okay now someone's gotta review you comment saying someone gotta review your review of the reviews
review-inception
No bugs at launch
Runs cooler
Runs faster (the fastest)
Isn't crazy priced
And being shitted on by user benchmark?
I'd say this is a pretty solid CPU
whats a lanch ???
Cost a lot more power to run though, efficiency went down.
@@JuanPerez-jg1qk I ment at launch
@@Glinckey ok...but i have one question..are you from germany?? they use that word as startup in german language so i letting you know its funny to say it here
UserBenchmark shouldn't even exist at this point. The website completely GLAZES Intel and Nvidia. I am not saying I don't like the companies, in fact, I think they are awesome and a good CPU/GPU is a good CPU/GPU no matter the company. BUT I think we need another website or should stick to the more factual RUclips reviews on these future products as websites like UserBenchmark do not prove to have a whole lot of reliability on displaying performance of components.
bruv, if 9800x3d is expensive at 470$, what is 285k at 640$?
A scam xD
A total waste of money!
the 285k is the worst of Arrow Lake 245k and 265k are much better values, but compared to Zen4 everything is bad.
ITS A PRODUCTIVITY CHIP STUPID
@@saplingseedsaccrew3143 intel fanboy high on copium detected.
also language and capslock, so cringe 🙊
and it is out of stock, thanks for playing!
Still available in france via LDLC (cost 620 cause massive consumption tax), ordered myself a new computer minus the GPU, gonna nab one of the new AMD GPUs once available, currently have 3060TI that is good but really struggling for some stuff i wanna do
lmao the 7800x3d somehow is 480 bucks now. I got mine for 299.
i bought it.
If you are in the US and have access to a microcenter they seem to get stock often and you can buy them for $480.
GG
I had a 7800x3d and switched to 9800x3d and man let me tell you, its night and day especially in games like Tarkov, Star Citizen, and heavy cpu demanding games. I literally doubled my fps in star citizen, from 40 to 80 fps in citys. This CPU is better in every game, but what most reviewers dont test are these heavy cpu demanding niche games. In tarkov i had literally a jump of 40 percent fps in streets of tarkov, so in reality the benefits and jumps in performance are even higher in such games.
Exactly!
Nice to see others in the same boat
What's your GPU?
@@axel-11 I use a 3070 Curently
@@OneManMakes Thank you for response! I want to build a PC in small form-factor, backpack friendly, so I'm wondering if I'll get 4070-based model (Super, Ti or Ti Super. I want to keep low TDP, but I need at least 12 GB, although 16GB preferred), then - would it be actually beneficial to get a crazy top tier CPU, or should I choose more budget one, because fps would be limited by GPU anyway. And in your case - I'm really surprised by fps doubling, it's something to think about...
still rocking a 5800x3d and im thinking of skipping the entire am5 platform since my gpu will always be the bottleneck
Smart man. We can easily go 2 generations behind and have amazing experience on our PC's. Maybe not 100% of performance but 75-80% of it but for a third of the price.
Will probably end up working, still no reason to upgrade from that little guy for gaming yet
same, tho 4070 TiS is good enough for 4k, atleast for now :)
5600x and still gpu is the bottleneck
depends on your fps goal. if you buy a much faster screen the 5800x3d might become a huge limiting factor
You only reviewed the reviews because companies are not sending you products yet 😂 but it is fine because you're saving us some time 😂
Spot on 😂
because he is not an AMD brainwashed fanboy like the other reviewers.
He has got a big channel he could get it if he really wanted it not gonna lie.
@@FO0TMinecraftPVPUserBenchmark, is that you?
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP Intel fanboy detected.....🤣🤣
Reviewing reviews is what in the scientific world is known as a meta-analysis. It's valuable when trying to see the big picture of something and discover patterns that only arise with enough data.
actually thats an umbrella review - a meta analysis is a review of individual studies, not a review of other reviews
its good they finally fix the 3DVcache placement to enable Overclocking and Stable Boost.
It's absolutely true that most laymen will find themselves watching tech reviews of the latest CPUs without understanding they're 98 % focused on gaming performance, and end up getting a device that's too pricey for what they need or set up the wrong build for their non-gaming application
This is why I went with an Intel 265K. I play one game only and a 12600k will run it at 240hz all day. I would rather have the twenty cores of the 265K for the other 23 hours in a day...
Bold of you to assume the layman would buy individual parts than just buy a prebuilt.
One thing I gotta say because I keep seeing people in here say "Well most don't have 4080 so its not worth it". Please stop thinking so black/white.
Every game does not behave the same. It all comes down to which games you personally play. I personally play a lot of CPU intensive games like MMORPG's, Racing sims, along with Starcraft 2. Even at 1440p maxed out with my 3080 TI, I saw huge gains going from my 3950x, to my 5900x, to my 5800X3D all on the same setup. Do not let coping people that don't wanna upgrade steer you away from what could be a astronomical gain in 1% lows and frametimes equivalent to a new GPU.
Not everyone only plays GPU bound games. So please stop telling people there's no difference as a blanket statement based only on what games YOU play. Do I plan on jumping to AM5 from my 5800X3D? Probably not but if I were still on my 5900x? I most definitely would be due to the gains I would see. Hell, I would have done it with the 7800X3D if I still were on that CPU. And if you are using a low end GPU, then it is obvious you upgrade that before the CPU and you shouldn't even be in here saying to others "its not worth it" period.
Absolutely right :) I play Tarkov, Squad, HLL and that kind of games. Today I swapped 5800x3d for 9800x3d and man.... In EFT my GPU utilization went 99% and 1% lows are great. Its really about games you play. You need to do the research :)
@jeyjey80 Absolutely right man. The only thing holding me back is the platform swap. Those 1% lows in Steve's benchmarks I saw (GN) from the 5800X3D to the 9800X3D are insane. Then just naturally better clock speeds overall?
Having 1% lows be at 120fps in a title vs hypothetically 160fps is HUGE.
I would love to see some factorio GIGABASE avg FPS and some Sampsa GTNH base in Minecraft in comparsion, but sadly, testing is done only on CPU unintensive AAA games therefore 250 frames are achivable.
Like, this games was built in a way to reduce CPU load at maximum, and actually CPU is doing some stupid work on simulating some small bits, while simulation based games actually use that CPU power to do something.
Oh dudes my friend got only 27 fps in my minecraft world on r5 3600, and i got 80 fps :/ threrefore was chosen to host that ancient bloat to play together.
Still GPU prices ALOT higher than CPU, (my 4060 costs around the same as i got my 7800x3d which was fastest in the world before) and getting anything cheaper on CPU will not change anything in grand scheme of things.
I game at 1440p. In most game it won't matter. I did gain 39 fps in BG3 using a 7900xt. So even at 1440p with everything cranked up to the highest settings it is great. I was on a 7700x for reference. It had a -23 offset at 250 overlock. It would run all core at 5.5.
@u13erfitz Most games you play? Sure man. In most games I play it makes a huge difference because they are so CPU intensive even at maxed 1440p settings. It all comes down to what each individual user plays so there is no concrete "it wont or will matter" definitely.
The reason you need this kind of monster expensive cpu is for the 1% low
eSports need this
PUBG, CSGO 2, Dota 2, Valorant and more.
"The reason you need this CPU is that you won't survive without this CPU in this harsh world. If you have any other CPU - your days are numbered, if you don't get this CPU now"
That is such a good answer. As a guy playing mostly single player stuff it's also needed for that, 1% lows are super important for using FG. I saw Alan Wake 2 doubled from 33fps and still looking great on 5800x3d - but when fight came lows would tank below 30 and ruin the effect. I also saw wukong doubled 35>65 fps, looking great and super smooth and responsive. I've beaten Erlang using FG. Conversly, my cyberpunk pt on 120fps was tanking to 27fps and still looked choppy.
Do you think the 1% lows are more important? Your wrong. 1% lows and average fps are just as important. You want the 1% lows to be as close as possible the the average fps for smoother gameplay. From what I have seen, the 1% lows and average fps has quite a large gap for the 9800x3d.
@@prussell890 womp womp
@@karlogrimaldi6787 this is by far the worst coping i saw from someone
This is actually a niche role to fill. Brilliant, actually. Consider doing this format for other products in this space, because it spares a bit of time for those who didn't pour over the data from each of their favorite reviewers.
The first person to honestly tackle price and use of the CPU. I’d argue over half of the people buying this don’t need it.
I got the 7600x3d bundle for mc for 450. That's worth it. Spending 700 for 2 extra fps isnt but gamers are getting dumber and dumber.
@@natel7382 the cpu costs 475 and depending on what CPU you have you gain 20-40fps on average. I switched from a 7800x3d and my 1% lows are literally now very close to my average fps. For instance, in cyberpunk I used to get 90ish fps but 1% lows were below 50-40 fps which was noticeable. With the 9800x3d I get 70ish fps for the 1% lows and average is about the same. And that literally is the case in all games. The overall gaming performance is much stabler. And I’m ready for the 5090. Maybe if I was dumb I wouldn’t have money like you.
@@chrisking6695 you spent all that money for a couple extra fps. Lol I'll take the 300 I saved and get a 5070s when it comes out. At 1080p these cpus make a huge difference. At higher resolutions it's all about the gpu. But hey you do you I'll do me and at the end of the day we enjoy it that's all that matters. And buying anything over a 70 series is just a waste of money. You can waste money I'll take the misses out to dinner.
I know and I don't need a 4090 either but it doesn't mean I don't want one! :P 😂
@@FantomMisfit right but that's fine. I can see that purchase. You are getting better fps. But if I got a 7800x3d I'd get 4 extra fps. If that. 9800x3d will give me 10. So I have to spend 500 bucks for 1p fps. But if I sold my 4070s for a 4090 I'm spending a thousand more but I'm getting what 40% gains? What's more worth it 1 percent gains or 40? That's my point. Save the money on the cpu and get a better GPU. My 7600x3d is enough to start. I spent 450 on cpu ram mobo. Less than a 7800x3d or 9800x3d. And I get comparable fps.
And my temps are lower with less power consumption. I have a family a child. So I barely even have time to game. I'll continue to buy mid range stuff to make sure my child gets whatever he wants. People live different lives. But my first point still stands. The difference between the cpus isn't enough to justify purchasing if you have a 3dv cache chip. For 1 percent lows. Sunken cost fallacy is a thing.
Even before the video I knew what’s going to be about. Why can’t we be excited for a good product, it’s so rare nowadays
I just picked up my 9800X3D today! I'm so hyped to get this machine built.
i got a 8700k and this CPU is what finally made me want to upgrade. I play a lot of heavily CPU based simulation games so this is the kind of beast that i can easily justify upgrading a 7 year old + CPU for.
Sidenote:
If you upgrade from 7800x3d, you are NOT spending another 480$ for the upgrade..
You spend the DIFFERENCE of 480 and whatever you sell your 7800x3d for.
Somehow nobody ever says this
Consider this as a review of your review of reviews.
exactly and while the price for 7800x3D is exploding since june/july (in germany lowest price from 330€ to 470€ now) you may get good money for it.
i sold my 7800x3d and spent around $150 difference to upgrade :D worth it to me
@@Snxgur IKR?
@@Snxgur Or you can be like me, buy two 9800x3d at $454 each, then sell one in a new build PC for a $400 profit. Actual cost of my kept 9800x3D ~$100 and I had a great time building 2 new PCs.
where you sell?
My videocard 500 buck. It fine. No need for 1000+ videocard. I need a 9900X3D for the threads though, Handbrake, Reaper, etc. Though for the games I play, Eve Online, L4D2, GTFO... yeah that is pretty much it, I need the X3D.
For a $500 GPU you would be fine even with a 7600x.. to unlock the potential of a X3D chip you really need a 4080 super or a 4090.. so you don't HAVE to get a X3D chip. Especially if you game at 1440p
Hey man! Curious about the eve online fps and your current setup pls
@@zaron8614
Ryzen 7700X, 64GB DDR5-6400, RTX4070 Super (€550-580 depends so little more).
It drives a 3440×1440 which I love and would recommend. Keeping open Dscan on a 2nd screen was the dream but 1 window only so ultrawide gives a little more space to keep that opened up. If you hate extra wide but play Eve a lot, I would even recommend you get a 2nd hand or cheap 2560×1080 screen if you want to keep it cheap and run it on that.
I usually run vsync but turning it off, busy system, everything high, ultra where possible, no FSR, 143 lows and 176 max. Turning volumetric and reflections to high instead gives 179-192. I just started up to check.
It will (should) not be cpu limited even on a 5600X but I keep a lot of stuff open so I felt it a little. I ran that on this screen with an RTX3060 12G and from memory it ran around 70-80 fps. It ran around 45-50 at 4K. Around 30-40 with a Ryzen 3100 but toning it down to mostly medium even that thing can get good fps on a 4K with the 3060.
7800x3d costed around as much as 4060 in my country, and getting 4070 seems pointless to "balance" it. I could just upgrade to 6060 in 5 years and still have overkill build there lol
@@zaron8614 Maan YT yeeeted my comment again.
One more try:
all maxed out to high with 7700 4070S, 160-180, 3440×1440 (better use of screen especially Dscan). On Ultra 140-ish.
5600 with 3060 90-110 iirc, on 4K with 3100+3060 45-50, 5600+3060 50-60 on 4K.
Living on a budget, still on the AM4 platform, with the added cost of going AM5, with the 5800X3d becoming over priced, coming from a Ryzen 5600, picked up a brand new Ryzen 5700X3D, for $196 dollars Vs a 5800X3d a vanishing CPU in the market place, now going for the close to the $400 and sometime above price point, a FPS gamer @ 74 yrs, young, doubt if I'll ever see the point in going AM5, as running a RX 6950, and 32 GBs of RAM @ 3600 MHz, that gaming at 1440P gives me more than a 100 plus frame rate in the games I play, believe bang for buck is important, wonder the worth if buying the bagging rights, for owning the 9800X3D, unless one needs to own a top dog CPU, can see if building a new system, , but in my mind if your present rig meets or excels your gaming needs, is it really worth the cost upgrading to a GPU and motherboard that can fully make usage of the 9800X3d ?
Your gpu is the same as mine, I play in 4k with a 5800x3d. I bet your setup would do 4k at 60fps in most games if you ever upgrade to 4k. I agree there is no reason to upgrade as any meaningful upgrades will cost over a thousand dollars. Not worth it when you could wait and get better performance for the same money in the future
Keeping a platform and upgrading parts for 6-8 years is much more practical, not to mention economical, than buying the latest and greatest every couple of years. The only reason people think they need to upgrade is because they tell you that you do. It's marketing. If cellphones weren't engineered with a lifespan in mind, with software purposely gimping them over time, they'd last 6-8 years too. Honestly, for the average use case a high-end phone from 4 years ago would still work fine for 99.9% of people now.
@@tylerweston6358 dude he is living on a budget and you are talking about 4k? Do you know how expensive that it to chase 4k?
@@tylerweston6358 Thanks for the info, another reason, I feel the cost of going the AM5 route in upgrading, will be 75 in three months, while I can still hold my own in co-op games, not quite sure how much longer I will be gaming, as thinking with the rig I have now, should be able to hang in there another few years 🙃
@@jonathanscherer8567 Agree 100%, if something meets or excels your needs, why waste the money, as the old saying: if it still works, does the job and not broken, why suffer the cost to replace it!
I understand why the reviewers deliberately test at 1080p on a RTX 4090 in order the highlight cpu bottlenecks however most people with a 4090 game at 1440p or 4K where you may not see much of a difference. Linus kind of mentioned this in his review.
In 1080p thats how you test the cpu, the 4090 is there in every benchmarks just to compare in the best fairly rig. Why no? Imagine doing the test with a rx 580
@ yes I know this. I was trying to explain why they use a 4080 at 1080 for the same
reason you are explaining it.
They need to add 0.01% lows - those absolutely annihilate playability for any game !🕵♂️
If they really want to continue doing 1080p, at least make it 180fps+. Who wants buy a $1000 GPU just for that little monitor?
And that is why I didn't switch to Zen5 in July, when the 7800X3D was sold at 360EUR with 2 game bundle. Because at my resolution with my GPU I could get extra 10% upgrading CPU even though YT tests suggested 30%+ using RTX4090 at 1080p. New MB, new CPU, 800EUR for 10% in gaming? Just no.
Now the 9800X3D being 10% faster should be worth what - 400EUR? But people will go crazy just to get the best of the best for a few months. Which is fine by me.
reviewing reviews is THE most based approach as it's what 99% of people do prior to making a choice, +1 sub
@Vex remember that the temperature readings on the 7000 series are not really comparable to 9000 series, they moved the location of the sensors and most people believe the 7000 series was overreporting temperature.
on 7900x its reporting 71c .....and now 9000x series ...reporting 90c as new norm ...soon everyone on amd be on 100c like intel raptor lake for zen6...amd left in their tank is push more power on refresh of refresh on dying socket...i would not buy any zen6 when tsmc gonna have major problems when gonna 100c ...they gonna have same problems with 7900xtx ....vapor chamber gate that turn water to steam fast that resulted crack dies...its why folks are super caution buying 7900xtx...never buy AMD brand made cooler ...
@@JuanPerez-jg1qk no, on 7900x when released amd said 95 degrees was normal. then people started undervolting and using eco mode to get to 70 degrees
On the LTT point around higher resolutions, Hardware Unboxed did a really good video on how the low resolution numbers predict the expected performance difference between CPUs in games 2 years from now.
lets assume i have a 7600, how much extra fps do i effectively get in for example, 1440p cyberpunk on ultra, 10? 20?
what gpu do you have? cause it really depends on that on 1440p onward, and not on the CPU.
Check some benchmarks
Probably a decent improvement on cpu heavy games given the x3d chips extra cache
Depends on your GPU
@@ridleyroid9060 6800 xt
About right, 20fps increase tops
whats the point of 9800x3d when most gamers dont even have 4080 class of gpu?
5000 series are not that far away
I don't think those two products are aim at mid range or entry level gamers bro.... I mean the 9800X3D is literally the best gaming cpu , if someone want to build a PC around it that they would have the budget to buy a 4080 class or XTX class GPU.
Games like Factorio (for megabases) or late game stellaris benefit greatly form better CPUs, a better CPU translates directly to building a bigger megabase in factorio before you start lagging.
Some games are more cpu limited, especially simulators
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I like how laidback you are about it bro, very refreshing hahaha
I dont think its worth the upgrade even though the performance is quite a bit higher, Personally would wait for Zen 6 X3D if youve got an 7000x series cpu
Imo, it depends on what you do.
If you already have a beefy GPU (4080/4080S/XTX/4090) and you usually game on 1440p (That's the case for me), getting more CPU performance goes a long way.
Plus I play a lot of CPU limited games like SocialVR. Would love to move from my 7700X to a 9800X3D but I'll have to wait until stock replenishes sadly.
Similar dilemma, it'll give me 500+ fps from my current paltry 250fps.
I'm torn.
/s 😅😅
Same thing) zen6 will be a massive upgrade!
@@Sepfox I mean I got 7900xt and I gained fps on bg3. Went from 90 average to 129. I am able to play halo with max ray trace at 123. I was getting 123 on ray traced low before. Yeah if you don't have a 4070 ti super class or above there is no point.
im gonna buy zen 6 aswell. sold my 7800x3d and upgraded to 9800x3D. cost me $150 extra. worth it to me :D
This is a genius move. Really serious.
I am tired of seeing similiar CPU reviews with slight differences, it's soo saturated. It is refreshing to see an analysis on all of the big reviewers and comming to a holistic conclusion.
9800X3D aka the new GOAT.
Thanks for these meta reviews! Please keep doing them! They will be very useful with controversial launches!
Using a i7 8700k with a 3070. Running games on 3440x1440p no issues hitting decent frames around med-high. But the 1% lows are starting to hit hard. Also 8gb vram is an issue on its own. Might just go with the 9700x
Obviously the 1% lows are the reason you have to change the cpu. This kind of monster 9800X3D maintains the 1% lows very high, this monster sometimes keep the lows as a the average in other cpu. 9700x is a good option if you have the money, there’s better budget options like R7 7700 or even the R5 7600X
dont buy a 9700x lol, youd be better off with a 5800x3D.
9000 series is bad in general for gaming compared to 7000 series. Do yourself a favor and save money going with a 7700x for better bang for buck while still having the AM5 upgrade path.
@@rube9169 horrible advice lol. youd be better of getting a 5800x3D than a 770x for gaming. 3D Vcache is the biggest gaming upgrade you can buy .
@@rube9169 Amazon did a restock yesterday. i got one but delivery is ~jan 12th which is fine cause I wanted to buy a 5080 to pair.
I had a 13900K, an MSI Z790i Edge motherboard, and a RAM kit rated for 8000MHz, but I was running it at 7200MHz. It was nothing but problems-issues after issues-for almost a year. What a nightmare! So, I decided to make a change. I bought a 9800X3D, paired it with the Asus X870E Crosshair Hero, and installed my 8000MHz RAM with XMP (38-48-48-84 timings). This combination works like a charm! It runs much cooler compared to the Intel setup, and the stability in games is fantastic!
I remember when Intel was retailing their just released 7700K, a four core cpu, for $345. This was back several years ago now so AMD asking $480 for an 8 core 9800 X3D with superlative gaming performance and full of advanced tech is not an overreach in price. The cost of materials most definitely have doubled from when the first Ryzen cpu was released.
But the die size has more than halved. And MCM(chiplets) make it much cheaper to produce on top of that.
@@rattlehead999 The process node is significantly more expensive, chiplets only help negate the expensive 4nm TSMC silicon. Not to mention there has been significant inflation since the days when the 7700K was the latest Intel offering. Kaby Lake was launched in 2016! The top Intel gaming CPU in 2020 was the 10900K which sold for $488. The 11900K sold for over $500. Not to mention when you're king of the hill in terms of gaming performance you get to set the price. Intel charged a premium for their best gaming CPU for years.
@@hochhaul Economy of scale, they've been selling 10x more chips since 2017.
Kaby Lake came out in 2017, skylake was 2016.
And yes intel charged a premium, a.k.a overpriced for years, so case and point.
@rattlehead999 Chiplets may improve the cost scaling but yields are stillin the range of just around 55%. One TSMC 5nm wafer is just under $17,000. A wafer of TSMC 4nm is estimated to be around $20,000. Intel 7nm is under $10,000 per wafer. AMD does have higher costs. They dont own the fab, they are customer. Chiplets only helps reduce that premium price. A 9800X3D chiplet is a premium binned chiplet. It's going to go for a premium... the exact same price Intel charged for a 10900k when that was declared the best gaming CPU.
@@hochhaul Those prices are outdated, 4nm is now around 10 000$.
Finally upgrading from my X470 build and the 9800X3D seems like a great route to take.
Yes. Its the smartest move!
The thing is the uplift is disapointing compared to the past but we had so Bad products this year that 11% look Good and feels like a relieve.
its new norm for amd customers now....zen6 be huge disappointment next 5% for 3d cache
@@JuanPerez-jg1qk For intel aswell -5%
is crazy
To be fair, it's an 11% increase over the CPU that's already like 15% faster than its closest competitor. Upgrading from literally any other CPU is gonna give you a much higher uplift.
@@HunterTracks This. If you are on 7800x3d i would skip it. That being said I was on 7700x -23 offset 5.5 ghz all core overclock. BG3 went from 90 fps average at 1440p with everything turned up to 129 fps. I am using 7900xt for graphics. I can now run halo with maximum ray tracing at same fps as low before. 123 fps.
@@u13erfitzAgree with both of you. This chip is ideal for someone running a 5800x3D or older imo, or someone who bought a non x3D 7000 chip and overspent on their MB planning to upgrade.
And, frankly, it shouldn’t be bought until March or so. AMD said they launched early so some people could get for holidays, but stock will pick up as time goes on.
I wouldn’t go from 7800x3D to the 9800x3D unless planning to sell the 7800x3D (and thus your out of pocket is just the difference between what you sell the 7800 for)
That was a really good review review! Great to see an average across a large bunch of tests.
good stuff, we needed some won to do the renew for the renew s, there has to be some won doing the meta analysis as people say in academic circles. In fact if you make this a series we can do.
title
[computer product] review meta analysis.
yes I think we can make this happen?
I'm still running my 15 year old Intel Gen 1 i7 920 and I'm finally upgrading to the new 9800X3D. Oh, I need a new GPU that I can't afford now after the upgrade. Guess I'm stuck with my GTX 1060 6G for a while longer. At least my new cpu will be future proof for many years to come.
well, in your case, your gaming performance cpu wise will have a boost of 150%.... now though, you need to go for mid high gpu next to truly profit.
@@charlestrudel8308 Just ordered me a 4070 Super.
why 9800x3d if you dont have gpu like rtx4090 , look at reviews if you plannig on midrange gpu then 9800x3d will be waste of money , if you go for rx7800xt or rtx4070 ti level gpu then go for 7700x or 9700x , it will save you $150 .
fps will be same ,
honestly always pair midrange cpu woth midrange gpu .
@@parm2-x7h Thx. I ordered me the 4070 Super. Was best value for performance and I like Nvidia GPU's.
18:30 It's a gaming chip, of course it's a toy. I get some people can't risk $470 but make no mistake it's a toy. If you're serious about money and productivity, you go with something else.
9800X3D is the fastest CPU for photoshop.
@@kunka592 Ah yes, Photoshop is 100% all the productive users do!
@@kunka592wake me up when AMD has the fastest CPU for NX or any other CAD package.
In 2 weeks. I got two of them at different times for $454 each. Deals are out there, just keep your eye on the stock. I did a custom build and sold the first one as a new PC and made a $400 profit. I kept the second one and my oh my is this processor awesome (I replaced my 3950x and partnered with 64gb of Cl30 DDR5 speed 6000 ram and a 20gb video card). Lived up to the hype.
it's a dang shame they reused the I/O die from Zen 4! The performance upgrade could've been even more delicious, especially paired with memory higher than 6000Mhz! 9800X3D paired with 8000Mhz RAM would've been a monster!
Yup. But probably very deliberate since they've seen no real competition from Intel the past four years. They didn't have to upgrade the IO die in Zen 5 to demolish Intel and even easily beat their own previous gen performance king 7800x3d. They're saving the new die for Zen 6 so that they will get another significant generational boost in 2026 even if they can't improve the architecture all that much.
@mannydcbianco See, this is why competition is very important!
@@mannydcbianco Zen six goes to 3d stacked chiplets. Huge latency reductions.
I had a 13900K, an MSI Z790i Edge motherboard, and a RAM kit rated for 8000MHz, but I was running it at 7200MHz. It was nothing but problems-issues after issues-for almost a year. What a nightmare! So, I decided to make a change. I bought a 9800X3D, paired it with the Asus X870E Crosshair Hero, and installed my 8000MHz RAM with XMP (38-48-48-84 timings). This combination works like a charm! It runs much cooler compared to the Intel setup, and the stability in games is fantastic!
I can really respect this answer, I like how the reviews are summarized and condensed. what I like most tho is the not jumping on a hype train. unless you have a 4090 most processors from the 190-250 range (intell 13th gen or comparable ryzen) will be great matches from your RTX=3070 to RTX 4080. neither of them will be significant bottle necks to each other.
taking the jump to a 9800x3d and making it useful is bleeding edge level of money as you would be looking at another 1k in video card and possibly another 300+ for a mobo so 1500-1800 total investment. and thats if you have the memory which would be another 200-400 if you dont. its really not worth it. that 2 grand could be spent in a lot of other areas to make the gaming experience all around better. bigger/better monitor, surround sound headset, gaming chair, KB/Mouse and/oror put into savings and wait for the prices to come down which is the best bet.
Thank you. No need to change my 7800X3D for now.
Why the hell are you upgrading so often, damn
@@AAmxs I like to buy the most recent things, just to try
@@psour33 must be nice :')
Pcs are all about balance! No point in upgrading cpus without a stronger gpu upgrade. Having a faster cpu doesnt make your gameplay better because of bottleneck.
@@prussell890 I don't care of balance. I don't play games, I just buy hardware to test it and run benchmark all day long.
I have an Intel 9900K. I didn't even know about X3D CPUs until about 6 months ago when I made the decision to get AMD for my next PC. I plan to get the 9800X3D along with the 5000 series GPU.
I think the 9600x3d will be very interesting!!
So your premise is that the 9800 X3D isn't what they (their titles) say it is, and then your conclusion is that... it's basically exactly what they (their conclusions) say it is. Just because a group uses a kind of clickbaity title doesn't mean their conclusion is exactly that of the title. Humans click click bait.
I feel like not enough people are talking about the fact that if you have a 9800x3D, odds are you have a 4080 or 4090 tier card. Which in turn means, you will likely be playing at 1440p or 4k. That makes the CPU difference quite small in most cases.
Yes but if you have the money to spend $1200 to $2000 on gpu then you have the money to spend $200 more to get the latest cpu.
@@alexrain1060 Yes but most gamers understand that GPU is a higher priority than CPU. As games are usually more GPU demanding.
If I am dropping 3k on a PC, I am not playing at 1080p. It would be like having a monster PC and using a $10 Dell mouse. It does not really make sense.
@Plague_Doc22 I have the 13700k and game at 4k. I really had to search multiple videos to try and find 4k benchmarks. The differences are really small to none sometimes. For someone like me, the 9800x3d isn't really an upgrade.
@@TheSoxor123 Yeah you really dont need a super high end CPU to game at 4k. I think people just default to thinking "oh I have an expensive GPU, I should spend a lot on a CPU too" which is often times not even justified.
Maybe if you play CPU intensive games at 4k then it could, but even then you can just get a "high mid end" CPU and be perfectly fine.
@@alexrain1060That logic does not check out at all. Spend on the things that matter and save where it makes sense.
24:11 I absolutely agree with you staying with my 7800X3D got it for 330€ last week still waiting for others components
After the fail of the non-X3D Zen 5's and Arrow Lake, I think reviewers went a bit too soft on the 9800X3D. For me, it is a overpriced 8-core CPU that only excels at gaming but is too slow vs. the competition in that tier in multi-core workloads (e.g. 14700K is much better at compilation workloads where every core you've got counts).
cause noone with more than 1 working braincell is gonna buy x3d chip for anything but gaming, that's what those chips are made for
You're also not including efficiency, reliability and different metrics. These products are usually tested with a 360mm water cooled AIO or similar. My case doesn't have room for one of those. Additionally, my 850w PSU doesn't have enough rails to supply 3 to my 4080 and an extra to the motherboard for high power CPU's, nor do I want to install a water cooler over my highly reliable Noctua NH-D15 air cooler that has been going for years and has many more in it (and free adapters for future architectures). Not to mention I don't want to deal with Intel 13 + 14th gen reliability issues.
Everyone has different needs, but there are a lot of customers who are happy with what AMD is offering over the competition and Intel doesn't seem to want to service that segment of the market. For what it is targetting I think the 9800X3D is a might fine CPU to build around or as a potential slot in upgrade for people down the line as the price drops.
I think reviewers are just expressing this sentiment in their role for their relative consumer base. People focusing on production and compilation will get their reviews from content creators focussing on that segment of the market.
@@yaroslavcoloskov6357 If that is all what you want, sure - go for it. But for people like me that need decent gaming performance AND productivity performance, it is a mixed bag and neither AMD or Intel really have an offer that combines leadership performance for both areas for an affordable mid-range price. I've settled for a 14700K and albeit having seen some platform issues, it is mostly fine for my gaming needs and really flies when compiling with my undervolt using a Deepcool Assassin III.
@@cynicle As I've stated before, gamers can get very happy with the 9800X3D. But for my own needs, the 14700K still was the overall best choice as I also wanted to keep using my DDR4 RAM from a previous build to save some money. While a water cooler would provide a bit of extra performance and lower temps, it is not strictly required if you undervolt a 14700K (I get around 36.000 CB23 points with a Deepcool Assassin III), the instability issues were fixed recently and I am very happy with the multi-core performance. Five years of warrenty should cover any degradation risk that might still be there. Everyday desktop power consumption levels are also very low, where I spent most of my time. While I would have hoped for AVX-512 support, lower temps and lower power draw, I can't complain too much about how that build turned out so far which I got the CPU and motherboard for a very decent price.
@@seylaw Except it's gonna fail in 6 months.
Absolutely insane seeing the 7800X3D listed for almost $500, when just this past summer I was able to get a bundle at Micro Center for a motherboard, the 7800X3D, and 32 gigs of RAM for $500.
Well son of a bitch, so did you! Lmao wasn’t expecting that at the end.
I could be totally wrong, but OptimumTech seems like a trustfund baby who was born into wealth so he decided to make a youtube channel....
EXACTLY my thoughts lol i actually just commented something similar. That dude pays the algorithm.
Bro when I saw the (IIRC) mclaren in his video, like to show it off to the audience.. I fckin know you don't make that kind of money on RUclips especially since he doesn't do "sponsored" reviews, even if he had an actual "IRL" job with the way everything costs in Au having that kind of disposable income is insane unless he won the lotto or had a background of money. Good for him tho I guess.
It really takes people time to figure things out huh of course he is.....he ain't poor average Joe is he 😂
All I see here is poors seething that they can't afford what someone else can.
@@Edge9404 Ayo if someone here can afford McClaren, sick asf apartment and just make YT vids more power to ya lmao
I got that Micro Center bundle deal on the 7800X3D a few months ago before the price spiked. That was good timing.
Odds are if you're spending that much on a CPU, you're likely not running at 1080p. And if you're GPU bottlenecked and won't see a difference in framerate, you might as well put that money toward something else. But for new AM5 platform adopters who want the best gaming CPU, this certainly appears to be it.
One of the main reasons for the positive reviews is how, for the first time, an x3d part outperforms or, in rare instances, matches the intel parts in every single game. It in a way solves the problem of prior x3d parts always being inherently weaker in some games due to the thermal limit, and that's why it's such a good CPU. Also, testing in 1080p also shows how a CPU will perform in the long-term once faster GPUs are available and would therefore squeeze more out of the available CPU resources.
I think another consideration is that given the close price between the 7800x3d and the 9800x3d a lot of people switching from Intel, especially after all the issues and the 285k launch, or upgrading to AM5 will want to buy it, though more so for higher end builds. 10% more for a $30 difference is quite nice at that point.
bechmarking benchmarks, something that GN steve would do :)
My current outlook on this cpu is that the best way to save some money purchasing it is to wait for the 9950x3d. There are 2 outcomes, either the x3d is a dual cache CPU and has no issues with core parking (or its just better out of the box compared to prior generations) or the price of the 9800x3d will drop after the 9950x3d comes out thus making a performance oriented build more affordable. I'm waiting for to see how good the 9950x3d is.
You get it around 11% but you have to have a 4090 and play in 1080p which is an unlikely scenario.
And pay 369$ on top of what I payed for my 7500f, ugh... looks like abusing a monopoly
Yeah, like no one is mentioning how stupidly impractical this scenario is. Unless you're banging out complicated RTSes, a lot of people in that bracket (high end) that have something like a 4090 and 4080 are gonna play at 4k, in which honestly the CPU is not gonna matter so much that you must have a 9800x3d over, say, a 7700X or a 5800x3D. I'm sure that people who have that much money are just gonna flex it on a 9800x3d anyway but personally I will never be in that price bracket, so I cba. Most people won't be in that price bracket either.
@@ridleyroid9060 Hell even at 1440p and 3440x1440 it barely makes much of an increase. These idiotic 1080p benchmarks need to end
honestly, it's for the better 1% lows, but I do think that if you already have a decent 7000 series cpu that it's just a waste of money to upgrade.
Large scale RTS games like Stellaris, buiding games like Factorio and similar are all CPU limited. You can run a Factorio megabase on a GTX 1060 and it will still be CPU limited.
Clock speed is a direct linear correlation to performance. Typicall boost clock on my 7800x3D was about 4.9ghz and the boost on my 9800x3D stays at 5.2ghz. That's a 300mhz difference, which is about 6% just in clock speed advantage. If the average is a 11% uplift in games, then that falls in line with the Zen 5% IPC uplift.
This CPU is just what Intel stopped doing. Just pump more power to get a little bit of more performance.
Wow! We were actually looking for an expert in X3D technology. Thank goodness you're here to reveal the truth!
@Tealc2323 I am if you want me to Embarrass you to your guts, to the point that you may leave internet forever. OR I may choose not to reply and just let you exist on Internet. Hey, I'd say STFU and stop what you are doing. Go and play some video games, GAMER. Don't waste time, and you can grab the fastest CPU there is.
@@Tealc2323 you're a little troll
I mean, they did that with 14th gen. 250 watts didn't go well. I don't think 350 watts would be good.
They massively improved average, 1% lows, and temperatures at the same power draw lmao
So so happy that I bought 7800x3d for 350 GBP with Space Marine 2 about 2 months ago.
I got space marines n awakening too. Micro center deal $400 for 7700x b650 moherboard and 32 gbs of ram a while ago.
@@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis That's a great deal! Congrats. Shame that awakening is a piece of crap🙂
5090 will be out soon. 9800x3d will be the only good cpu for it. So prices might Fall bit later this time.
Well that would actually depend on what AMD does for the 9900x3D and 9950x3D!
This is really low intelligence take. In 4k gaming 7500f will be 5% behind 9800x3d....at 1/6 the price. X3d chips are for shit graphics competitive/simulator games. That's it.
I think this might be the perfect chip for content creators (especially gaming ones). The "Productivity" benchmarks may seem iffy at first glance, but in content creation focused areas like video editing (premiere/davinci resolve) and photoshop, it actually ends up being much closer to the 9900x than it is the 9700x, with the photoshop benchmark putting it near the top of the charts (according to Puget Systems). That's more than enough for just about anyone, plus the chart topping gaming performance, and the relatively cool thermals, and the fact there's no core parking. It also provides much headroom for GPU upgrades in the future.
Like bruh, I haven't been this excited for a CPU in forever. They somehow outdid the already legendary 7800X3D in everything but value and availability.
GPU prices are stupidly high. 4060 costs as much and getting less than 7800x3d to get 1/3rd of money to update to 4070 is strange.
BTW i got mine 7800x3d for 470$ in 2023 and 4060 costed 400$ while 4070 was like 660$.
Even this cpu is impressive at 1080p, its not going to give me any faster fps at the 5120x1440p or 7680x2160p that my monitor can do. I think even going from my 5950x to this 9800x3d with my 7900xtx, NOTHING will be gained in games.
- people should really be carefull when they watch these reviews and not be blinded by the 10% uplift they all show at 1080p in games.
people could go for much slower cpu´s in games, but then pick one that will outperform the 9800x3d in any productivity that they are doing other than games.
I would STRONGLY recommend that all these testers will add at least one game at 1440p / 2k / 4k / 8k at the end of the list of games they test at 1080p, just to make it very very clear to people that at higher resolution they will not benefit any meaningfull fps.
BUT it depends on a users needs
games at 1080 VS games at 4k + productivity
its good for high refresh monitors and competitive gamings
reviewers won't do that, because once the viewers realize how little CPU performance matters for gaming, they're going to lose a lot of interest in CPU content.
@@Alvin853 CPU matter for Ray Tracing and for intense 4X game with huge database that do many calculation or simulation game. It also let you avoid bottleneck with good GPU. When you build a new computer you need to have the information about what you are going to buy and the hardware spec are not gonna help you with that.
@Alvin853 if cpus matters so much everyone would still use fx cpus or sandy bridge ones
@@Mr11ESSE111 Theres a huge difference between FX, Sandy Bridge and modern CPUs... Of course at some point they're going to be too slow, but for most people a Zen2 or Zen3 chip, or Intel 9th-12th Gen, would be absolutely enough, yet they still buy the latest and greatest because reviewers tell them how much faster these CPUs are.
I managed to get a 7800X3D on Amazon for *$365* before Zen 5 released.
God do I feel *lucky* now.
i just sold my 7800x3D the other day for that price (2nd hand). and now im on a 9800x3D. cost me around $150 extra to upgrade :D
X3D to rule it all 👑🔥
I only just got 5800x 3d and it more than enough for me personally 600 quid for full platform upgrade wasn't worth it for me but good to see things moving forward can only imagine where it will be next time I upgrade in few years
I mean yeah, for the price it's not really that impressive to me. 7800x3d was over 100 dollars cheaper on Amazon for almost this whole year, so 10% extra performance doesn't seem like a good enough trade off to me. And it's not like lower end chips suck, you can get within 20% of the performance of this chip for less than half the price. People have been too conditioned by shitty gains, 10% is not excited and we shouldn't pretend like it is.
Bruh, it's 10% on AVERAGES. it's more like 20+% on 1% lows, you know, the big time stutters that take you right out of the game.
No doubt, the 7800x3d is good and for the money great, but it just ain't fast like this one is.
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It's USD $222 difference between the 7800X3D and 9800X3D in my country, and I have moved on from 1080p gaming. Idt it was worth it, so i went with the 7800X3D
i dont know but did they testing the 285k on the bios version 15 october and release the tests on the 285k launch day?
i will wait until december 6 to see what the 285k really offering us.
the biggest issue of intel was the line sharing and z890 has all the extra lines we needed.
It's as good as they say, if you play 1080p. Otherwise it's going to be difficult to see the difference with other CPU. We need more graphs with all the resolutions at once.
If the 9950x3d comes out with dual CCD AND dual cache even if the amount of cache is halved to 32m per CCD its still gonna be an amazing CPU for anything. If they put the same 64m cache on each CCD no other chip would ever touch it in both gaming and production. There wouldn't be an upgrade until they could substantially up the clocks. The 10,000 series would NEED to break the 6 mark by a bit at least a 6.2 to even have a chance of sale. What do you think?
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500 dollar CPU to play at 1080p !!!!!! Lets Go
Thinking about getting it with a microcenter bundle, do y'all think it's worth the upgrade from my current Ryzen 5 3600?
I feel incredibly CPU limited which makes my games feel terrible in quite literally everything due to the 1% lows. Since it'll be a bundle, I'm also using this as an excuse to upgrade everything such as the Ram, storage, cooling, motherboard, and obviously the CPU. For the PSU and GPU, I already have those settled luckily
upgrading to the new chip from a 5800x (non 3d) so i think i'll see a massive uplift and it will force my 4090 to finally work a little. i do play a lot of cpu intensive sims in vr (racing and flying) so the 5800x is usually the limiting factor. also going to ddr5 is a big uplift. monitor games are played on 32/9 1440p, so that is also a lot of pixels, for a quick reference, regular 1440p is around 3.7 million pixels, my monitor pushes that to 7.4 million, and my vr headset currently pushes 4.6 million but i've got an order in for the somnium VR1 which will almost quadrupple the amount of pixels to 16.6 million. all in all i think my usecase does really justify running the 4090 and now the 9800x3d. thank you for reading this TedTalk.
I managed to get a 9800X3D at launch and holy cow does this thing run well. I also have a 7700X (non-3D) and this new X3D chip both undervolts and overclocks way better. As Vex said in the video, overclocking it doesn't really improve the performance that much, but I can undervolt it to damn near oblivion and get a 5.2 GHz all core sustained clock speed while the cpu runs at 55 C. At stock it ran at 75 C, which isn't exactly that hot already. lots of frequency headroom for overclocking if you want it.
hey man. I might get one of them early next year, and was thinking exactly the same: no overclocking, but yes undervolting fthe sake of better thermals. Could you share the video you used as a manual to undervolt your 9800x3d safely?
@@Обовсём-э9х I didn't use a guide or anything. just went into the bios, set Precision Boost Overdrive to advanced, then selected curve optimizer, and set it to an all core negative 40 offset. YMMV depending on the silicon quality of the chip. some chips won't be able to do 40. My other pc has a 7700X and it can only do -20 offset.
@@dremy746 thanx ))))
Still using an FX 6300, shall i upgrade?
the 9800x3D also has some consideration to think about too... the multicore is 46% slower then a 7950x3d according to CPU monkey - but still a good to great enough chip. As u saw in your charts of this video- it didn't top out but was strong enough to be a competitor.
It has 8 cores vs 16 cores of course it would perform worse in multicore? Are you going to compare it to an EPYC chip too?
@@karakaaa3371 all this while you can get dirt cheap xenon from 2018 from aliexpress to just be on par with 7950x3d in multicore productivity :D. Idunno. This dudes really compare threaded load in PC while people invented servers for threaded performance years ago lol.
What AM5 CPU would you recommend for Sapphire Nitro+ 7900XT ??? I would really like to know a honest opinion because every review is with nvidia cards. I now have it paired with Ryzen 7 5800X on X370 Gigabyte gaming K7.
Living 15 minutes away from Micro Center is amazing..they’re fully stocked…although, I am waiting for the 9950x3d
It's the best CPU I've ever bought, and overclocked right out of the box. I love my MB too honestly. Best build ever.
Is this Risk of Rain 2 ost starting at 12:07?
For gaming especially, I suspect for most people with any half-way decent CPU, a significant GPU upgrade is probably the first priority before a better CPU would even be particularly relevant.
For singleplayer titles i would argue that 1% lows on the fps is more important for immersion. If youre running vsync for example you care about the 1% lows more than the max fps. Let's say the display is 120hz and your cpu max output is 200fps. But if the 1% lows are 100fps than vsync of 120fps fluctuating down to 100fps randomly will break immersion, but if the 1% lows are 120fps and ur vsync is 120hz for the display than no fluctuation and perfect immersion can be attained.
Well you've almost convinced me to use my savings for a Mac Mini M4, £480 for a 9800X3D vs a Mac Mini M4 for another £100... When considering upgrading from an existing system, having to reinstall and re-tune everything can be a major pita! Think I might stick with my 7600x and 3080 FE for a while yet.
If you overclocked the 7800x3D to the same speeds as the 9800x3D, is there comparable benchmarks? I did remember that Jayz2cents did say that with the flipped chip, the cooling is better and the speedboost under load is more stable, while the 7800x3D couldn't maintain the speedboost.
Have a 4080 super, should I upgrade from a 7800x3d? Im looking for more productivity so I’ll probably wait for the Ryzen 9 series x3d
As someone upgrading from an i7 8700k, theres literally no other processor worth considering for the moment if I'm looking for a chip to last me the next half decade or so. Nice to see AMD doing well at last. Last time I was shopping they were very much behind Intel. Now if only their GPUs stopped sucking too...
I upgraded from a 12700k to a 9700x recently with a micro center bundle deal on amazon and tbh I'm just happy I got off the intel platform and upgraded to ddr5 finally lol
I got the 9800x3d, upgraded from the 7800x3d. And? 10% uplift, but there's one major factor that some of you gloss over. Though it draws more power than the 7800x3d, the temps are about 15 to almost 20c cooler (depending on the game). 7800x3d was running about 78 to 84c on an AIO!!! That's my experience. The 9800x3d on average is barely going past 64c on the same exact games. All I did was take one chip out, put the newer one in on the same AM5 board. The only major difference is the bios update to support 9000 chips. I am happy with my purchase!
I upgraded from an intel 8700K to a 9800X3D.
My FPS in combat in ZZZ went from 109 fps to 190-200 fps. 4080S, 3440x1440p, max graphics settings. I also tried it in Linux, but bazzite-open-nvidia just wasn't happy with my setup, I was only getting ~55 fps under Wine, with noticeable frametime spikes and slowdowns, the averages were okay, but the lag and slowdowns made it borderline unplayable.
Bought 7800X3D at launch. Sold it for profit, bought a 9800X3D and gained 20-30% fps in my favorite game. A win in my book.
If you already own a 7000 chip, especially the 7800x3d you could sell it used for a good portion of it's original price once you acquire a 9800x3d. Say you sell it for 300$ now the 9800 is only 180$ for a 10% increase. Of course this just depends on what your priorities are, but anyone who is able to keep their parts modern should be able to get decent resell values.
anything under a 30% uplift in every task you do or out there is not worth bothering the upgrade.
So glad I got my 7800x3D at Microcenter the day before the 9700x launch got it in the bundle for 275.
Got a 9800x3d for my new build upgrading from an 11600k, keeping a 3070ti until the next gen in cope that AMD will offer better competition against NVIDIA than last gen. Love the gpu-bound bottleneck but ive had this build for like 3 years so i want to get more power for the future. Especially since cpu-intensive games are getting even bigger like strategy titles.
Hoping this will increase from my 20-40fps in late game factorio, rimworld, and hoi
I am hyped too and want to try it, i usually do this, order and test it, if i am happy i ll keep it if not return it within 60 days. Trust me, i return it 90% of the time. Currently have 7800x3d 4090 and play on 4k 240hz qd oled
I used to be able to distance myself from luxury hardware. There was a clear difference between what goes over to luxury from a pragmatic standpoint of performance, and content creators who'd predominantly feature one over the other, so I just wouldn't follow them. The schism between the purchasing power of the average user and the cost of higher-end harware is getting larger, while more and more tech channels try to peddle them as mainstream. 18:32 perfectly exemplifies this attitude, which you rightly called out.
In February 2019 I could afford the most performant desktop CPU money could buy, with the most feature-rich miniITX board on offer at that time. I would need to spend five times more money to match the representation of that class of hardware today (while getting less features on the motherboard because 4xSATA, SPDIF and 8x USB on the rear I/O just don't exist in miniITX on AM5 today, but I digress). Many of us feel priced out of meaningful upgrades, while we’re exposed to constant marketing for increasingly expensive products more than before. This is not a good trend. And I appreciate that you focused on budget in the video.
The 9800X3D makes me happier with my 7800X3D but also it's nice to see a genuine generational uplift.
I'm more than ready to finally upgrade my 5900X, but I'm going to wait until the R9 3Ds come out and maybe that Intel gaming chip that may or may not be planned. Then I'm definitely not pulling the trigger until Frame Chasers has had ample time to tune them and come to a conclusion on what will really provide the best experience. Seems like he's the only one online who actually knows how to get the most out of silicone these days without being pressured by the hardware cult that influences most other PC gaming hardware content creators. I hope all the best CPUs are launched by time the 5090 or whatever they call it is released.
It’s not about the extra cache on the 9800x3d. It’s about where it’s located in relation to previous X3D CPU’s.
Thanks for this💯