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You have camed here and talk about history but you don't even know that basterd Alexander you is not real person foregeins make it to avoid world from saying our wast and amazing history God damn it think about for a second there is no place for him he is not even in a single old book and.... In every people like u make always mention defeated by shitlander if we were defeated. So how on earth parathians get power and take back lands and destroy Greeks You even feared to talk about Sasanians more and how they defated a empire that was powerful for centrys the fight for 700 years over 10 emperors of roman bove before our kings but no one dears to say this things Why you basterds dont say how roman and greek empire's destroyed by us in end of your videos??? We are still talking the language that we were talking 4000 years ago We are still adoring our Greates history in plant What about you ? Learning people lies ? All of my people know troof and laugh at peoples like you but i can hold it so take it lier
Actually, the Perso-Arabic writing system is neither Arabic nor Persian. It was originally developed by the ancient Assyrians to write down their Aramaic language. So, calling this form of writing Arabic is wrong and needs to be corrected.
The way you styled the borders of the Achaemenid Empire was sooo unique. Instead of some cookie cutter borders from online they are blurred and still represent the rough area of conquest, also ofc the dark area being the homeland and light area being foreign areas so nice touch!
Malay language also use arabic script but totally different. Use across malaysia indonesia south thailand and brunei . You can read as an arab but won’t understand a word
@@روسلان-ق3ض well I'm Arab myself and seeing a language in an Arabic script and then literally de-inhaling my soul just to realise it's another language seems like it would be something funny as shit now i just gotta wait till i forget
Persian here! I do want to mention that the Perso-Arabic script developed alongside the Arabic script, so it is more accurate to say they both share common origin, being the Hejazi Kufic script, making them more so "cousin scripts". They aren't entirely cousin scripts, but they sort of act like it. This is why the Persian ک looks different to the Arabic ك because they evolved separately from the Kufic script. It is generally why it is called "Perso-Arabic". Beyond that, amazing video! Subscribed!
@@Zeezoro I checked copies. The ك is a later evolution. If you check any Hejazi manuscript, you will not find ك there. You are being dishonest, as you are painfully aware the Qur'an uses ک in medial sections of words, and not like that in an independent form or at the end of words.
The Arabic language was in its final stage when Islam appeared. It had 22 letters, then 6 letters were added with dots. The Arabic alphabet was derived from the Nabataean Aramaic alphabet.
@user-xr2jt7ss4o The Nabataean alphabet is one of the branches of the Aramaic alphabet, consisting of twenty two letters. The Nabataeans used it in writing down their Nabataean Arabic language. A large group of these inscriptions were found in southern Jordan, where their capital was Reqim (Petra), extending to the Hauran in the north and the Negev Palestine in the south and in Hegra in Saudi Arabia.
( The Arabic alphabet was derived from the Nabataean Aramaic alphabet) Not the Arabic alphabet, but the Arabic script, that’s why they added the 6 letters that were lost from Nabataean and Aramaic alphabet. The Arabic alphabet’s 28 letters already attested and well documented in the north Arabian Safatic and Thamudic scripts, that dates back from 1000 BC, to around 200 AD. Around the 3nd century AD, the new Arabic alphabet started to appear in inscriptions.
I can tell you spent a lot of time researching the history of Farsi and probably the same amount of time if not more time in devepling some new video production skills.
Much, much, much more time 🤣 . I've always been into drawing and animation (that's quite banal among Japan lovers, I think). I like to try out new things and improve :) Thank you for your comment ^.^
@@nofridaynightplans basically, the kurdish language in Iraq and Iran uses the perso-arabic script as well, but they built upon it to make it more phonetic. English: "Hello, how are you?" Kurdish (Kurmanji dialect) in Kurdish script: سڵاڤ، چاو هێدی؟ Persian in Persian script: سلام، حال شما چطور است؟ Arabic in Arabic script: مرحبًا، كيف حالك؟ (to a male) مرحبًا، كيف حالك؟ (to a female) What I meant to say, is that Kurdish takes the script and makes it even more phonetic by having letters that represents shorter vowels
Even a kid knows this. The Persians are Aryans the Arabs are Semites. When Semitic-Arabs conquered Iran the process of Semitization was initiated into the script, culture, names, etc. if not ethnically on a large scale. Yet the Persians a great civilization maintained their Aryan religious Zoroastrian past and celebrate Navroz (New Year) and Persian remains an Aryan (Indo-European) language with some Semitic words which it has picked up with the advent of Semitic-Islam. The Semites (Yehudi-Arabs) are children of Abraham (Ibrahim) Persians are surely not.
I am a Turk who try to be familiar with Arabic Language. I prefer texts with Arabic alphabet over others. The reason is that even if the letters are smaller, I get less tired while reading.
I mean if someone has the capacity to think that arabic and persian are the same because they use the same alphabet, so he must be thinking that spanish and english are the same as well
@@nofridaynightplans yeah they are both indoeuropean but they're not closely related I mean one is Latin and the other is Germanic but you get the gest
I mean if you couldn't read the Latin alphabet at all, I could easily forgive you. Up until recently you could show me Mongolian and I'd tell you it's Russian because they both (at least as of then) use the Cyrillic alphabet.
After Persia was conquered and ruled by the Arabs they banned the Persian of using their language and culture for the next 200 years they were not allowed to use anything resembles the Persian and this period is known in the history as Persian silence year and alot of Arabic words got into the Persian and alot of Persian words got into Arabic too and the Persian scholars refined the Arabic letters and made it suitable for them to use by adding the dots and creating the Arabic grammar as we know it today
Yes it is ture, 2nd kalif omar ibn khatab ordered to fire and burn the biggest library in the world and first university Gondi Shahpour جندی شاهپور because his logic was ONLY Quran is enough for us as book of God! and use of Pahlavi was illegal to the point that most Iranian and Persin science scripts and books was written in Arabic
The Arabs did not prevent anyone from using their language Iranians use Arabic because it is a superior language Even Al-Biruni preferred to curse in Arabic rather than praise in Persian
The Alphabet you are refering to is Syrio Aramaic. Arabic wasn't even a writen language till the 8th century. It had only 16 alphabets before then (it had no diacritical marks till circa 710 AD) The Kuffic (Kuffar) script came from Persia not the other way around.
Persians have greatly contributed to the development of the script and even helped shape the Arabic grammar in its written form. However, if the Kuffic script is originally from Persian, how did it develop (not in a vaccum presumably since the Persians were using the Pahlavi scripts...)? As for the fact that Arabic was not a written language before Islam, several inscriptions contradict this hypothesis. 15minutehistory.org/podcast/episode-107-the-yazid-inscription/ In areas that are so geographically close, most things work in terms of "continuum". All cultures give and take to respond to the historical necessities of the times. And, at this point in History, it's important to remain humble as many things are yet to be discovered. Thank you for your comment.
@@nofridaynightplans smh you still didn't give him a counter argument. and it's true that the arabic script came from persian scripts and was developed by persians. just because you think it's not, doesn't make it less coming from persians.
@@batminton7467from what i know the Arabic alphabet was created in today’s Iraq by both Arab and Persian merchants of that region,Iraq had mixed population of Arab and Persian at that time, the kingdom of the Lakhmids were allies of Persia until a Persian king decided to execute theyre king in front his own people and annex theyre land this bad action later on played a key role in the down fall of the Persians and perhaps the greatest reason why Arabs hated the Persians so much after conquering them
But all these sounds that are found in Persian are also found in many modern Arabic dialects. Like چ (ch) sometimes as تش it exists in a lot of dialects like iraqi/gulf and Maghrebi arabic... as for گ (g) It is found in almost all dialects : in gulf/ Yemeni its ق or ج , in Egyptian it's ج, and in Moroccan it's ڭے/ڭ and algerian i's ڤ. As for ژ (dj) , دج or just ج in msa It is an original sound in Classical/standard Arabic, contrary to what some people think. Therefore, we find it widespread in some dialects, such as Najdi, and also some Maghrebi dialects.As for پ( p), it is found in some few Arabic dialects in its native form. In the dialect of northern Morocco and also in some Iraqi dialects.. while ڤ (v) ,( "و" in Persian), is the only sound that is not found in any common Arabic dialect natively, and I still do not know whether it is found in Maltese, Cypriot, or the dialects of Central Asia.
Many of those dialects adopted those sounds from either Persian, or other non Arab languages in close proximity. Take the name of the famous dish کله پاچه for instance which is a Persian word but also known and used by Iraqis and other Arabs since they also eat the dish. When talking about Arabic, we must consider the classical form that is found in historical literature since thats the formal version and the version that the Arabs historically spoke (or atleast much closer to it). Classical Arabic contains neitherچ، پ، ژ، گ، since these sounds are not native to it. Other Semitic languages contain some of these sounds but not Arabic. Additionally, i think you are misunderstanding what ژ sounds like. ژ sounds like the French Je, also how some chinese names like zheung are pronounced. This sound is not existent in classical Arabic, or any Arabic for that matter.
@@Alborzhakimi7010 I know that when the Arabic language is mentioned, it is generally meant the modern literary standard Arabic, which was derived from Qur’anic classical Arabic.I just wanted to inform the people that many of these sounds are found in modern spoken dialects of it .and thank you for clarifying the misunderstanding in which I thought that “ ژ” means "dj". But I still don't understand the difference between it and "j" (ج), Is it a softer version of it? and Yes, you are right that must of these sounds are not native to the original language and are a result of contact and influence from other languages, but the “گ” sound (also چ maybe) is definitely a natural development of the Arabic language, as there are Isolated dialects that close to classical Arabic within the Arabian Peninsula that have that sound, such as Yemeni. This natural shift occurred because in some dialects, the "ق" was found difficult to pronounce, so it became "گ", and also the same thing happened to the "ج" in some other dialects, as it became "گ".Also, when I said that the “p” is natively present in a few spoken Arabic dialects, i meant by it that it was not because of loanwords (Like the example you gave, and by the way, I didn't know it because I am not an Iraqi or a Gulfian ) , but rather by some native Arabic words in which the "b" is turn into a "p" for example "təpchi" (تپچي) in iraqi from "tabki" in MSA which means (She cries /You cry) or "mpaɛzən" (مپعزن) in northern Moroccan which means "arrogant".In this case, this is certainly the accent influence of languages other than Arabic, such as Persian, Kurdish, and Aramaic for Iraqi. As for northern Morocco, this change is due to Latin, Punic, and also Old Spanish.
@@yassineanassine7905 thanks for your response. In regards to the ژ, the formal name for the phoneme is the “voiced postalveolar fricative” so you can google it if you want to hear it. After some research I found out that the phoneme does actually exist in the Maghrebi and Hejazi Arabic dialects. From what I read, it seems like the Maghrebi dialect borrowed the ژ phoneme from French, and the Hejazi dialect got it from Persian. Also, those examples you provided of native Arabic words in which other phonemes get replaced by پ، گ، چ، ژ are very interesting. Are those colloquial forms of pronunciation of those words (meaning only used by youth or adults when talking to close friends or family) or are they used whenever speaking in that specific Arabic dialect?
Actually, the modern Arabic Naskh script that we read in Quran was developed by Persians. The original Arabic script was Kufic and didn't have dots or ijams.
Wonderful exposition - guiding viewers to some books you think are intriguing and related would be helpful. A lucid and simple presentation that helps us lay people think a bit more about these things, thank you.
Thank you for your comment :) My next video on Africa will include a book recommendation, but for this one I don't have any. This question had been intriguing me for some time and I decided to research the topic to get some initial insights. But a lot of people in the comments are quite knowledgeable about this very issue and I'm sure they'll be able to guide you if you wish to dig further about the history of Persia, or how the Persians helped shape the Perso-Arabic script as it is today ^.^
I was surprised that Persian language is an Indoeuropean one, which means it is related more closely to my language (Czech) than to Arabic. I can see some similarities in vocabulary and grammar between Czech and other Indoeuropean languages I studied (English, German, French, Icelandic, Latin), I am curious if those similarities are also true for Persian.
Yeah, there are lots of similarities in vocabulary, especially in basic words referring to family members. Here are some examples~ mother: mâdar, father: pedar, brother: barâdar, daughter: doxtar I was amazed by how similar these words are to english. Also, since Old Persian and Avestan are Iranian languages, they are rlly similar to the Indo-aryan languages in vocabulary. Compare the words above to Sanskrit mā́tṛ (mother), bhrā́tṛ (brother) and so on I'm currently learning farsi and a lot of it is very easy for me bc of the similarities with Hindi and Urdu, which i can understand. But ofc most of these similarities are due to borrowings from Persian. Not everything is a borrowing tho, such as the numbers, which are very familiar to anyone who knows Hindi/urdu. It's always fascinating to see how similar numbers are to each other in indo-european languages, since they're (for the most part) all inherited from the same set in PIE
Actually, the Perso-Arabic writing system is neither Arabic nor Persian. It was originally developed by the ancient Assyrians to write down their Aramaic language. So, calling this form of writing Arabic is wrong and needs to be corrected. And by the way, although many people call our language “ Farsi “, but it’s originally supposed to be called “ Parsi “. Farsi is the Arabic pronunciation for Parsi as Arabs don’t have the “ P “ sound in their language. And lastly, Persians didn’t adopt the writing system known as Arabic. It was forcefully imposed upon them by the Muslim-Arab conquerors. After Persia was conquered by the Muslim-Arabs, they banned speaking Persian language and replaced it with Arabic with nearly two centuries until the Persians fought back and eventually drove the Arab occupiers out of Persia. Only then, the Persian language was once again revived and restored, but this time with a heavy influence from Arabic language to the point that the Parsi language itself is called with its Arabic pronunciation of Farsi!
@@cyrusthegreat1893 iran from 7000 bc have had alot of alphabethical system that changed from time to time .proto elamites that themselves had many various forms .jiroft,shahrsukhte,varamin,shush,tabletes were only afew alphabethic types before elamite,urartuan,elimayi old persian etc.
@@cyrusthegreat1893 also finally iranian groupes accepted arabic alphabeth but must consider ,even untill "hadjjaj ben yusef" in both iran and iraq official language of accounting and treasoury was middle persian.and even untill 8th century they used of persian coins with adding a mark above it.and untill seljucid dynasty a few manuments had middle persian reliefs and many of iranians like daqiqi tusi and ferdowsi could read and understand middle persian in first of 10th c AD.
And you must notice the arabs muslim authority vortex only lasted from sack of cetisphon ,capital of sasanids in nearly 640Ad until arabs civil wars between 4th caliph of Rashidun and muavieh bin Abu sufyian .from other side.and then after arabia rebeled by leadership of ibn zubeir and abdullah bin umar against yazid bin muavieh and .then war between marvanids and sofyianids branches of umayyids.until revolt of Abu muslim and Tahir of khorasan and fall of umayyids .after ma'amoon of Abbasids 4th Caliphs of baghdad they played same role of pope of vatican as religious puppet not real sultans.
I recently saw a discussion online if the Persian language uses the same or a different alphabet than Arabic. I had no idea, and now I have learned the answer, Thanks. I suppose it is like the difference between the variations of the latin alphabet, to which many languages added some letters and diacritics to it to make it fit more their phonems. Like ß, ä, ë, ü for German, ð, þ for Icelandic, ç, é, è.. etc. for French, ž,š,č,ř,ď,ť,ň,á,é,í,ó,ú,ů for Czech.
That's a nice synchronicty :) Regarding the similarities between Persian and other IE languages, you can find answers here: en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/h%E2%82%81%C3%A9sti I don't speak Farsi but I was surprised that they use "است" (ast) as the verb "to be", which is similar to "est" in Latin, and other Latin-derived languages like French. I don't know about other similarities, but I'm sure there are plenty :)
@@nofridaynightplans What latest information? Is this even a good study? Even if it is, you should present the consensus, not just a new theory. A new study is not automatically correct.
The day the great Persians fell stupidly to adopt the Arabic religion and culture, that day marked the beginning of the downfall of once the world center of knowledge. And it would never be the same until they get ride of the Arabic culture and religion.
2:05, I'm not really sure where you have this from, most commonly Proto-indo-european is thought to have been spoken by the Yamnaya in the pontic-caspian steppes (i.e. north of the caucasus)
This isn't a place for proud nationalism. People in close proximity mix and mingle and produce wonderful things. Love to my persians brothers and sisters from Iraq.
The origin of Arabic alphabet derived from kufi alphabet which was part of the Persian impure before Arab invasion. So the Arabic alphabet derived from kufi alphabet which was part of Iran at that time.
The fuck you talking about? Kufi is the name of early Arabic calligraphy, and Kufa was built by the Arab next to the ancient Lakhmid Arab capital of Hira, those lands were for a time under the rule of the Sassanid shah but they were never ethnically Persian, in fact even the Sassanid capital wasn't Persian and it people spoke Aramaic, The alphabet used by Persians is Arabic there is no shame in that
Lol I'm from kufa it's full Arab City and built by Abbasid Arabs during the time of Abbasid caliphate, Stop stealing our history, PersAin I Forget to mention Kufi Script originated from City of Kufa.
Was the oldest Persian book Avesta, the Zorarstrian holy book also written in Arabic script? If not, then which is the oldest book written in Arabic script and what’s its timeline?
@@SponsorShort no it doesn't. Arabic alphabet and Avestan script were created and used around the same time. First evidences of the Arabic writing are just as old as the Avestan script.
@@artinrahideh1229Wrong.oldest Avesta part (Gatha) is around 5000 years old my friend,and was written down around 700 BC. Oldest known Arabic text is PERF 558 around 643 CE, and Achamenid cuneiform is even older, and Ilamite inscriptions are around 7000 years old. sorry but Arabic culture has nothing to be compared to the Persian one., not to mention even Arabic itself was regulated and grammatized by a Persian scholar name Ibn-Sibuye.
@@SponsorShort and what is the source that Gathas were created 5000 years ago and written down 2700 years ago?( Don't tell me that your source is "kārnāmag-i-Ardašir" cause that is a mythology, not a reliable historic text).
Afyounestan, aka. land of opium, has been a province of Iran, how dare you spread misinformation? Afghanistan is Iran, The British drawn borders have deceived you.
Arabs didnt convert Persians, they even banned Persins from becoming muslim. Persians converted themselves en mass after throwing the arabs out via the buyids, saffarids, abu muslim khorossani etc..
Saying "Persian is Arabic" is like saying Tibetan is Hindi( although Tibetan script bears little to no similarities with Devanagari script of Hindi), because they are derived from a common source. We Hindus use different abugidas since the 2500-2800 years to read our 5k-6k old religious Hindu literature, each abugida is completely different in shape and look, but bears similarities with Sanskrit alphabet( we call Hindy alphabets as Varnamala generally aka garland of letters). Hindi language loans a lot of Arabic/Persian words, we place a dot( Bindu in Sanskrit, Nuqta in Arabic) to the most related letter phonologically while writing that exact symbol nowadays, but since our languages originally don't have sound values for those foreign letters, we pronounce them with the closest native equivalents. For writing x in Persian, ख/kha in original Hindu/Sanskrit script changes to ख़. For writing ghayn in Arabic( idk about the sound, but Arabic speakers please confirm if its pronounced that way), we simply add a dot to घ/gha sound of Sanskrit to form घ़/ ghayn. Mind you, this is for transliteration of Muslim literature into Indian languages, but Hindus don't read about these symbols generally or don't pronounce them, because its not present in our original alphabet. Indian muslims learn Arabic/Persian in their religious schools in perso-Arabic script, so they can pronounce them.
But we see more of Sanskrit and Prakrit words used in our Indian languages in media, singling out Persian and Arabic words. This is all due to Nativisation efforts, personally I don't see anything wrong in this. Native equivalents must be cherished before anything and this has nothing to do with enmity via religion, but even European words are discouraged while writing in Hindu scripts aka Abugidas/lipis. More old words are brought to circulation that way.
The Persian Alphabet or Abjad was further adapted, by the addition of extra letters, for use with Urdu and Sindhi. Urdu is possibly understood by about twice as many people as Persian, thought not all of them can read and write it.
Interesting to call it Arabic script where Arabs used to use Hijazi script that itself derived from Pahlavi Persian and the majority of linguist developed the current script where Persians… also none of the benefits of the so called Arabic script you mentioned were existed at the time as Hijazi script had all the mentioned flaws… the only reason it became famous as Arabic script is that Islamic literature later was written in this script and big majority of countries used this script were muslims and mostly forced to speak Arabic instead of their own language including in Iran… but Iranians during the Afshrid Empire revolted and brought back Persian while other countries like Egypt, Libya, Morocco and Iraq didn’t bring back their language and their historical identity and accepted the new identity…
I haven't found any evidence supporting the hypothesis the Hijazi script comes from Pahlavi. Don't hesitate to share links so that we can all grow in knowledge and improve. Also, this is not an arena for yet another form of horizontal struggles. When peoples interact and mingle, it inevitably forms a continuum of influences where everyone gives and takes. And there are always objective historical reasons why events unfold the way they do.
@@nofridaynightplans As an Arab, I tell you, believe me, you will not find any evidence even if you spend your whole life searching 🤣. The Iranians are trying to deny that they use the Arabic alphabet, and instead they say that it is a Persian alphabet and that the Arabs were the ones who took it from the Persians, and this is a very funny thing. Like someone trying to block the sunlight with his hand and then telling people there is no sun
Early Islamic Malay language also derived from the Arabic language we called it jawi. Like the Persian, Jawi also some additional letters add to suit our tongue,unfortunately the Jawi slowly forgotten by our youth.
A very simple answer to this question would be: Umavid and Abbassid caliphs prohibited the use of Pahlavi. You failed to mention that and it's disappointing.
The answer is far from simple. The Umayyid caliphs changed the formal language to Arabic and prohibited the use of Pahlavi in the public sphere, but this was a couple hundred years before Persians adopted the Arabic script. The Abbasids on the other hand, did NOT prohibit the pahlavi script and even allowed Zoroastrian priests to write theological treatises in Middle Persian. Some Abbasid caliphs even allowed debates between Zoroastrian scholars and Muslim scholars to take place in their courts, which was then documented by each group in their respective languages (middle persian being one of them). Here is a quote from an article on Brill titled “Fashioning Persian Identity: Asadi’s Staged Dispute between a Zoroastrian and a Muslim” “After the conquest of Persia and the start of the conversion of Persians to Islam in the seventh century, debate poems came into vogue in the intellectual milieu and at the élite courts of the Abbasid period (750-1258). At gatherings organized at the courts or mansions of the aristocracy, religious leaders of various communities were invited to debate controversial religious subjects (Griffith; van Berkel; Bauer, 172-82). Such contests took place between members of the Zoroastrian communities and Muslims or Muslims and Christians, Manicheans, or Jews. These debates, which belong to the genre of apologetic literature, have survived in both Middle Persian and New Persian. The fact that disputations became popular during this period shows how religious communities in the early Islamic Middle East responded to the rise of Islam. The Arab-Islamic invasion of Persia created a very complex situation for Persians as they processed the socio-political transformation and the integration of Islam in their lives. “ This tolerance towards Middle Persian was only continued and even amplified during the Iranian Intermezzo period where dynasties like the Buyids, Samanids, etc… allowed the publishing of Middle Persian texts along with New Persian ones. It was during the Iranian Intermezzo period, where Iran was either under fully sovereign rule from the caliphs or defacto sovereign rule (depending on which part of iran and which year), that the Arabic script was adopted. It was the Tahirids who were defacto independent from the Abbasids who first made the change to the Arabic script formally. To simplify this complex matter by sayinf the Abbasids prohibited the use of Pahlavi would be foolish. In fact, there is a Middle Persian text called the Gizistag Abalish which documented a debate between a Zoroastrian priest and a heretic dualist (zandik) in the court of al mamun. You can find more about that text by reading the following paper: A Zoroastrian Dispute in the Caliph’s Court The Gizistag Abāliš in its Early Islamic Context Christian C. Sahner Oriental Institute, University of Oxford christian.sahner@orinst.ox.ac.uk
@Alborzhakimi7010 well thanks for the very informative and long answer but can you explain the scarcity of Middle Persian texts during the Iranian intermezzo and the sudden flourishing of Early Modern Persian in the 9th century? Any reason beyond the political prohibition would sound foolish to me no matter how many documents you provide. The history is written by the winners AKA the Muslims (both Arab overlords and locals) who had the upper hand. You may argue that the written form of Middle Persian didn't have a strong backbone even in the Sassanid era but to say that the Arab Caliphs didn't ban the use of the Pahlavi script is just a big fat lie. No nation has ever chosen a certain script unless it was heavily supported or even imposed by the ruling class.
@nofridaynightplans yet your video failed to mention such an important factor i.e. the political reasons and the Arab overlords' racism toward anything originally Persian
"No nation has ever chosen a certain script unless it was heavily supported or even imposed by the ruling class." The State has always been the entity meant to defend and support the interests of the ruling class... ever since the emergence of class divisions with the Neolithic revolution. If it happened that way, there were objective historical reasons. And the interest of the people is never one of these.
Another absurdity is to call the persian language Farsi, only because the arabic alphabet knows no P letter. Farsi should logically be pronounced and written Parsi = Persian. As I studied Parsi, a beautyful language, I noticed that Parsi phonetics can perfectly be written in the latin alfabet.
Thanks, an explanation of the evolution of the Arabic script would also be interesting. Another topic would be the evolution of Persian poetry. One topic I’ve not been able to find is the Zoroastrian Prophet.
It is fairer to say that Persian already had a writing system adopted from a Semitic language. Then, it could influence Arabic, which was going through changes to cover a wide range of cultures with different interpretations of pronunciations. So, it seems Persian influenced the Arabic script system while it was adopting it as a new writing system.
Persian, Arabic, Hebrew, Urdu all are shared by one alphabet, with small differences. they all have one ancestor alphabet that they are using today. there is lot of evolution on to this parent alphabet. we cant clearly say Persians had first used this alphabet and later Arabs adopted it or vise verse. but possibility is there becoz of Persian Empire.
@mmehdig just to clear things up.. the idea that Persian influenced the Arabic script while adopting it is not correct.The Arabic script was already developed by the 4th century CE, long before the Islamic conquests. Persian adopted the Arabic script after these conquests. Sure, Persian tweaked the Arabic script a bit to fit its sounds (like adding پ, چ, ژ, and گ), but that doesn’t mean Persian influenced the Arabic script’s development. The only devolvement happened to the Arabic script, like adding dots to distinguish letters, were made by Abu al-Aswad al-Du'ali, an Arab scholar.
@@720babylon for sure! arabic script was developed by arabic speakers. I am not educated enough in this topic. One language influencing other languages is a common thing so I just assumed that must be the case. Specially considering that arabic did not have a proper grammar then and Arab scholars lived in Persian speaking regions and they had a chance to influence each other. For example Sibuye was Persian but he helped developing the process of standardization in Arabic. (well not directly the script) I agree my comment above is not accurate.
1:14 i don't this so, so, Persian language was existed before Islam that's right, BUT its affected by Aramaic script 500 BC, it had happened after Achaemenid conquest, the Passion Empire accepted official Aramaic language and its script as official and formal language in the Persian Empire
You could write English in the Arabic script if you wanted to - I believe other Indo-European languages like Albanian and Bosnian were at times written with Arabic script -during the Ottoman Turkish occupation as Turks then as well wrote in Arabic script. Even Indonesian languages (Javanese) once written in Arabic script. The same thing was done with Cyrillic when Russian owned a slew of countries in central Asia and the far East.
I don't think saying Persian script derived from arabic is accurate...the extra letter found in farsi are also used in many different arabic dialects...in the ild time arabic was not the classic arabic we know today they were like dialects some of them had those extra letters some didn't...and the the alphabet they established that had 28 letters was just conventional to be the best because it was unnecessary to have extra letters that only few minorities used ... Like the soung /g/ ڨ we just write it as ق or ڨ گ even that ڨ گ are not conventionally in the arabic alphabet yet most of us already know people use them and therefore understand them ..also the sound / p / is not present in the arabic alphabet yet most of us can pronounce it and we have it in our dialects especially north africans they can speak any language perfectly... So it's more about who was in charge of making the rules they often do not know about other tribes abd dialects...you know harsh desert vast land there were many people living without the ruler knowing about them And what I like about Persians is that they are nice and. They don't feel bad or get offended when someone tells that that script is arabic script...they are proud of themselves
I don't understand you. Persian writing came from Arabic, that's obvious, you can look at their earlier writing systems to compare. I think you might be confusing something between writing systems and phonology, it's very common for a language to add symbols for itself when it adopts a writing system from another language.
@@CeoLogJM no no ..i was saying the same thing because the video owner kinda made them look like two different writing systems i agree with what you said here of course
Great video, good editing and very informative! Just one question/correction: didn't the Indo-European languages originate from the Ponto-Caspic Steppe in Russia and Ukraine on the other side of the Black Sea as opposed to the South Caucasus as stated in this video?
Hi! Thank you for your nice comment :) Here's the latest hypothesis regarding the origins of the IE family. Your comment is very timely since I had forgotten to add it to the sources! Thank you ^0^ www.mpg.de/20666229/0725-evan-origin-of-the-indo-european-languages-150495-x
well than you didn't read the histories very well. the persian revenge on the arabs was devastating. they wiped out almost everyone and rewrote their histories. modern day bedouins try to cope with that historical fact by spreading lies and fake historical accounts. but the schooled ones know exactly what i mean with the persian revenge.
What bullshit map is that? Where is Qyrghyzstan? It is not China. If anything Qyrghyz are Qazaq.
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Same as why Kashmir is separated from India? Kashmir is a part of India... And why China occupies Kyrgystan and Turkmenistan on map? I think this RUclipsr is a Chinese shill...😂😂😂
Can someone who’s native language is Arabic answer my question please? How is it possible that in Arabic there are 4 missing letters that are very common in Farsi and many other languages; These letters are G (گ), P (پ), Ch (چ), and J (ژ)? So it means Arabic never had a word with P or G? Is it even possible? How do you pronounce international words such as Park, Google, Check? Do you change the word completely (make a new word in Arabic) or just replace the letter to another one? For example what is the word for “Google”? Is it a completely new word or is it like “Kookle” for example since there is no G? It’s very difficult for me to understand how these letters are missing in Arabic because as I said they are very common in other languages specifically the letters of P and G are very common in most of the words in Farsi, English, German, etc.
The letter "P" does not exist in Arabic at all, and there is not a single word that contains this letter And the letter "ch" is written "تش". It's not difficult! We can write it in our Arabic alphabet and we do not need to import Persian letters None of the Arabs write the letter “چ” except for the Iraqis and Kuwaitis, due to their close proximity to Iran. As for the rest of the Arab world, they do not use it, but rather use the letter “تش” The letter "g" is the same as the letter "ق". The word “google” is written in Arabic as “قوقل” It is very, very simple. I don’t know why you imagine that it is so difficult? 😁
@@Shahram19702010 The letter "G" does not exist at all in the ancient Arabic language, "Fusha", and there is no word that contains this letter, That's why this letter does not exist in the alphabet But in modern Arabic, the letter “ق” became the letter “G”. There are two ways to pronounce the letter “ق”, the stressed way, which is its true pronunciation in classical Arabic, and the light way, which becomes “G”. Please do not laugh and look down on us when your language basically contains 60% Arabic vocabulary and you use our alphabet! Before you laugh at the alphabets of other languages, tell me where your lost alphabet is? 🤣🤣🤣
@@Abu_Nasser_Al-Ghamdi I am not laughing at your language, it was just funny the word قوقل seems the same as the sound that a rooster make early morning🤣🤣🤣 Joke aside, Farsi language doesn’t contain %60 Arabic words either but off course borrowed many words which is not a shame for a language; It only adds to its richness of vocabulary. Like English that contains many words from other languages so don’t be ashamed if your language borrowed words. The richness of a language depends on how a language is useful. Farsi is an ancient poetic language and Arabic is also a very rich language, so I’ve heard, but you can imagine that for each person the native language is smoother/sweeter than foreign languages, for me personally English is the only language that equals to my Native language, even French or Spanish doesn’t sound nice to me. 👍👍👍
@@Abu_Nasser_Al-Ghamdi The original sound of ج was g (as it is still in Egypt). ق is pronounced as ا or تش in many places. Your dialect is not the only correct way to pronounce Arabic.
lol. Persian alphabet was derived from Arabic alphabet which was derived from Nabatean alphabet which was derived from Aramaic alphabet which was derived from Pheonician alphabet.
In achaemenids age iran alphabeth was cuiniform and difficult to write on paper.after a while iranians selected Aramaic alphabeth .from old Aramaic have been made 5 alphabeth middlepersian or parthavi or parsic,kufi and Hijazi alphabeth ancestor of modern Arabic alphabeth and square hebrew thus middle persian and arabic alphabeth have same ancestry.
If the old shah had me around, he'd have scrapped the Arabic alphabet and adopted the Latin alphabet like Mustafa Kemal Atatürk did in Turkey. Or he'd have at least revived the old Pahlavi script.
He wouldn't have. The Shah literally gave up to protesters and rioters, reverting the national calender from Cyrus's date of birth to the Prophet's migration. Keep in mind this was when the calender should start, not calender reform. Had he changed the script, he would've been overthrown immmediately, because that is attacking the culture. The Shah was not like Atatürk, his father Reza was closer to Atatürk, but he himself wasn't.
@@nofridaynightplans Hard to say. It would be easier to read some words, but some nuances of the language could be lost, such as the different dialects.
Now I’ve got to check out Tajik, and see if their Farsi with Cyrillic characters would better enable a rookie overview of Farsi, which long ago I only endured for a week, due to the Persian script!
@@Mohammed-zn6qr Most Muslim nations largest in the world, Such as India, Indonesia, some regions of China, and among others kept their languages. Few who changed the language to Arabic were likely forced, as there is no other explanation. It is easy to say it is smart and easy, but no one will buy that. Must say some of these did use the alphabet for various reasons as they had a choice. Some like Turkey later changed back, as they thought why should they use Arabic to write? Thanks anyway.
Most countries that changed their language to Arabic (a Semitic language), already spoke another Semitic language which was less standardized and had less literature of knowledge in comparison to Arabic. But some like Indians didn't leave their language because their language has a rich history of elite literary works as well as scientific and mathematical works that Arabic only complemented, never replaced.
@@alhazenmediax Brother, I don't understand you. Do you despise tribes or the Arabic language? If you despise the Arabic language and your photo contains Arabic words and letters, it is best to remove it to protect your face and pride. If you despise the Arab tribes, do not forget that they defeated the Persians and Romans in a few years and overthrew their empires, not to mention the empires of India and China. In addition, they created great empires and wrote history, and they have great merit that intellectuals (not the ignorant) know about.
Anyone who says that Islam and Arabic were imposed upon the pereians and they had no choice should ponder over the fact that beyond the land of Iran Islam was spread in Farsi language to such an extent that the Arabic religious terms were replaced by Farsi terms. Fasting in arabic is Saum but in Farsi is roza, prayer is salah is Arabic but namaz in Farsi prayer mat in arabic is mosalla in atabic but janemaz in Farsi. There are many religious terms that are used in turkish urdu and other languages of Indian subcontinent that are from Farsi and not Arabic. Quran says there is no compulsion in religion. Persians embraced islam wholeheartedly and likewise Arabs adopted Persian bureaucracy. Later on when safavid's conquered Iran and converted it to Shia religion it was portraied thar islam and Arabic were imposed. No human race is superior, we are all slaves of Allah the most loving the most compassionate.
Islam was not forced upon Iranians except by other Iranians. The Umayyads despised non-Arabs and considered Non-Arab Muslims as second in class and even kept jizya tax on converts. The only way for Persian to thrive in the empire if he swears allegiance to an Arab tribe as Mawlah(helper/client) where you teach yourself Arabic to talk like them and act like them and rename yourself and your father to an Arab name and add that tribe's patronym as yours and you are Muslim. The Umayyads held Arab tribes in high regards, so A Persian is Mawlah will be treated much better and have better oppertunities, even the Arab tribe is obliged to come to vouch for the non-Arab should he need them. You will see alot of Mawalis of black, berber, persian, aramaic, kurd having an Arab nisbah, only later in Abbasid era where you see Persian names like Mahyar, Sibuyeh, Firouz, Khurshid, Qambar, shah...etc. The Persian forced began with Samanids, Peaked with Saffarids and Tahirids, then slowly declined with Buyids due to huge portion already are muslims and the illkhanate Mongols by that time majority of Iranians were Muslims. The fact that Arabs forced it is lie. In the Abbasid age, Most scholars of Islam were Persians, the theme of the Empire was Persian but language was Arabic. Even the Turks who came to dominate final period of Abbasid period adopted persian language and even spread it. Most Persians who make lies about Islam do it because of blind racism and wanting to appear more Europeans🤣
@@beyondheartmindsoul3443 the umayads did what they did, but how much of their history is free from prejudice is an open question. Regarding the mawali system, it makes sense only for non-Arab people living among Arabs. Now imagine an area of land from Armenia to khorasan, how are you going to provide an arab maola or an Arab tribe protection to all these people whereas Arabs were a handful of people, far far less than the non arabs. Islam cannot be forced, it makes no sense. You cannot force loyalty. So first you convert a people by force but still you can't trust them as who knows their conversion was true or they are still following their previous religion in their hearts. You cannot use them in army or police force. Forced conversion never serviced any purpose as a result even Spanish inquisition saw total expulsion as the only solution to the hidden Muslim or moreso problem. The presence of Zoroastrian people is proof that the conversion was not forced, why were they left. The Persian names of Islamic religions nomenclature is another proof. Islamisation could have been slow but not forced.
@@persianguy1524Historically it was sometimes forced, majority of the time it wasn't, like look at the mongols/turks, bengalis, maldivians, Sudanese, and Indonesian/Malaysians who have the largest Muslim population in a country (indonesia)
like the video! up to date info especially regarding the origin of Indo-European languages! ( there was a debate that was recently settled ) Aren't both Pahlavi and Arabic scripts derived form Phenessian scripts?
They are indeed :) According to the (current) classification, Arabic is derived from the Nabatean script, which itself originates from the Aramaic script. So does Pahlavi. Now, as you will see in the comments, many argue the Persians are to be credited for the Arabic script too. This does not align with the info I aggregated for the video on the origins of the Arabic script. This being said, I appreciate these are merely hypotheses and nothing is set in stone, at least for now. However, the Persians did greatly contribute to the development of the script as it is today, including the dots. The only thing I can say is that in all geographically close areas, a continuum of influences will always exist. Thank you for your nice comment.
It's even more interesting in Kurdish , making it easier to read and write , with more accuracy ❤️☀️💚 There is one more letter for Kurdish , it sounds like ( V ) in English , it's like (ف) but with 3 dots , this letter is not in Arabic or Persian , and only can be pronounced in Kurdi
@@persianguy1524 kurdish is the 8th strongest language in the world Persian guy 😂😂😂 Kurdish has 900000 words , that's while 45% of Persian words are Arabic Let the haters bark 😚
@@personalmobile9421 You can comforting yourself by lying as much as you want Kurds are using so many Arabic and Persian words That kind of Kurdish you're talking about it's only in north of Iraq which less than 4.5 millions are speaking with it not more plus Kurdish is not a single language
@@saeeddookat2330 kurdish is one of the most pure languages , Tirki and Percian will die if they don't use Arabic , Kurdish is the 8th language in the world , I'm not saying it , Google and researchers say , kurds and arabs are natives , I'm from Rojhelat of kurdistan , all of us speak in kurdish , and indeed every kurd speaks in kurdish , and yet you can spread misinformation in social media as much as you want , kurdish independence will happen , no one can be stopped
The Pahlavi script was in use as late as 9th century. We have text and artifacts. The arabic scripture of 7th century was neither unified nor organised. Plus each region used something of their own. The organisation and unification of the alphabet for islamic caliphate was done by the administrative scribes who were writing everything in Pahlavi still, they would start giving shape to the alphabet by implementing stuff from Aramaic and Pahlavi. Eventually Sibawayh, a Persian scholar of 8th century who reorganized and wrote down the grammar and basically made the language and alphabet work so that it could actually spread. The alphabet was persofied and started being used by Iranians around late 8th century.
@@oreeg242 boy this is literally your own historians admitting to the importance of Persian scribes shaping and forming the unified arabic scripture. Take it up with them. Also the biggest grammatical work of Arabic is Literally written by a Persian. 😂
Islam was not forced upon Iranians except by other Iranians. The Umayyads despised non-Arabs and considered Non-Arab Muslims as second in class and even kept jizya tax on converts. The only way for Persian to thrive in the empire if he swears allegiance to an Arab tribe as Mawlah(helper/client) where you teach yourself Arabic to talk like them and act like them and rename yourself and your father to an Arab name and add that tribe's patronym as yours and you are Muslim. The Umayyads held Arab tribes in high regards, so A Persian is Mawlah will be treated much better and have better oppertunities, even the Arab tribe is obliged to come to vouch for the non-Arab should he need them. You will see alot of Mawalis of black, berber, persian, aramaic, kurd having an Arab nisbah, only later in Abbasid era where you see Persian names like Mahyar, Sibuyeh, Firouz, Khurshid, Qambar, shah...etc. The Persian forced began with Samanids, Peaked with Saffarids and Tahirids, then slowly declined with Buyids due to huge portion already are muslims and the illkhanate Mongols by that time majority of Iranians were Muslims. The fact that Arabs forced it is lie. In the Abbasid age, Most scholars of Islam were Persians, the theme of the Empire was Persian but language was Arabic. Even the Turks who came to dominate final period of Abbasid period adopted persian language and even spread it. Most Persians who make lies about Islam do it because of blind racism and wanting to appear more Europeans🤣
@soorenaildari8142 Well buddy!! Is that your response, what do you know about this topic. I wrote long sentence based my knowledge and research. I followed your comments, you are really dumb racist buddy other than Your race supremacist nazi attitude in your empty response with no knowledge in the topic except flexing your ancestors in racist supremacist manner who gave you your big nose where you do plastic surgery in tehran and isfahan to correct it for god knows how many toumans, then encourage your ugly hair female family members full plastic surgery to protest naked and engage in Haram activities. I have lived near beverly hills, in century city before to see how Pathetic Persians kaffirs proclaim they are Aryans and flex aryaness by dressing sluttier than regular Americans, in the end a Black dude put his big black🍆 in Cheap Persian 304s.
The Umayyads did not despise anyone. Its really sad that you pour personal hatred into history. Its their empire and they can do whatever they want. In the same way Sasanianss regarded Arabs as second class citizens while they we’re literally based in an Arab land and surrounded by Arabian tribes. No need to look at history with narrow mindedness
في كل مرة ادخل مقطع يخص الحضارة الفارسية أجد الايرانيين في التعليقات يستمرون في الصراخ ضد العرب ، اعتقد انهم لا يتوقفون عن التفكير في العرب ، الحقد يحرق قلوبهم ، وفي المقابل يستمر العرب في عيش حياتهم ولا يفكرون ابدا بالإيرانيين ، كعربي أجد هذا الأمر مضحك حقا ، يعاني الايرانيون من عقدة نقص شديدة 🤣
Latin alphabet is from Greece and Greece alphabet is from Phoenicians ( Lebanon civilization ) and Arabic has took it's alphabet from Aramaic ( Syrian civilization) and Aramaic has took it's alphabet from Canaan ( first civilization in Palestine) .
Adding letters in the Latin/Roman alphabets doesn't stop them from being Latin/Roman so I don't understand why simply adding few extra letters by basically adding extra dots to some existing letters the writing system will stop being Arabic. Calling modified Arabic script as Persian doesn't make sense, at best Perso-Arabic seems fine.
Do you live in a fantasy world or do you prefer to make up lies? Arabs have had a long oral history with a plethora of poets and myths. The one thing Iranians did was to teach them how to run a kingly court/divan and make some grammatical rules for their language.
The grammatical rules were already in Arabic speakers because all the The poetry that was before Islam had the same rules that we use today. The rules were not created to be completely understood and written to make it easier for non-Arabs to learn Arabic. This is one of the most beautiful features of Arabic, that words go back thousands of years It can still be understood, even if there are incomprehensible terms
Ughhhhh you Iranian nationalists are the bane of my existance get a personality besides hating on Arabs and Islam, maybe realise we had a fun thing going on when we teamed up and that now we're never going to have peace in the middle east because of our Idiocy.
@@the3zoooz1 i can now bring you any Poetry from Isaiah Antarah Ibn Shaddad, who was born before the birth of the Prophet and it's understandable for arabs, BTW if Islam cam in 600 , you think people at that time were speaking what is Arabian peninsula
At the beginning of the emergence of the Aramaic alphabet, this happened in the borders of ancient Iran. And it is one of the things that the ancient Iranians made and presented to the world. In addition, the alphabets that we now know as the Arabic script were developed by the efforts of the Iranian scientist Borzouyeh and placed in the hands of the dear Arab-speaking people.
I'd really appreciate it if you could support my work with a like ^.^!
Also, don't hesitate to point out any mistakes in the video for further improvement. Thank you!
You have camed here and talk about history but you don't even know that basterd Alexander you is not real person foregeins make it to avoid world from saying our wast and amazing history
God damn it think about for a second there is no place for him he is not even in a single old book and....
In every people like u make always mention defeated by shitlander if we were defeated. So how on earth parathians get power and take back lands and destroy Greeks
You even feared to talk about Sasanians more and how they defated a empire that was powerful for centrys the fight for 700 years over 10 emperors of roman bove before our kings but no one dears to say this things
Why you basterds dont say how roman and greek empire's destroyed by us in end of your videos???
We are still talking the language that we were talking 4000 years ago
We are still adoring our Greates history in plant
What about you ? Learning people lies ? All of my people know troof and laugh at peoples like you but i can hold it so take it lier
Actually, the Perso-Arabic writing system is neither Arabic nor Persian. It was originally developed by the ancient Assyrians to write down their Aramaic language. So, calling this form of writing Arabic is wrong and needs to be corrected.
Persian language is a slang of old arabic language ...which is the spoken language of Adam 😂
9:14 At the time there were only 18 letters, as the dots were added later to clarify the pronunciation.
The way you styled the borders of the Achaemenid Empire was sooo unique. Instead of some cookie cutter borders from online they are blurred and still represent the rough area of conquest, also ofc the dark area being the homeland and light area being foreign areas so nice touch!
Saying Persian and Arabic are the same language because they use the same alphabet is like saying English and Finnish are the same language.
No because these letters dont exist in arabic:
گ
چ
پ
ژ
@@phantom-_-0217 these letters Å, Ä Ö Š Ž dont exist in English
Malay language also use arabic script but totally different. Use across malaysia indonesia south thailand and brunei . You can read as an arab but won’t understand a word
Its not even an arabic script, its derived from Pahlavi Aramaic and perfected by Persians themselves.
@@روسلان-ق3ض well I'm Arab myself and seeing a language in an Arabic script and then literally de-inhaling my soul just to realise it's another language seems like it would be something funny as shit now i just gotta wait till i forget
Persian here! I do want to mention that the Perso-Arabic script developed alongside the Arabic script, so it is more accurate to say they both share common origin, being the Hejazi Kufic script, making them more so "cousin scripts". They aren't entirely cousin scripts, but they sort of act like it. This is why the Persian ک looks different to the Arabic ك because they evolved separately from the Kufic script. It is generally why it is called "Perso-Arabic".
Beyond that, amazing video! Subscribed!
Dude, check any copy of Quran and you would find that arabic uses both ك and ک
@@Zeezoro I checked copies. The ك is a later evolution. If you check any Hejazi manuscript, you will not find ك there. You are being dishonest, as you are painfully aware the Qur'an uses ک in medial sections of words, and not like that in an independent form or at the end of words.
@@دراسة-ط5يthe arabic script isnt even arab, its aramaic and was perfected by Persians
How come the Sassanid script didn’t survive!
There’s nothing called perso-arabic, it’s just Arabic same like there’s no French script, it’s just Latin
Thank you for all the informations
The Arabic language was in its final stage when Islam appeared. It had 22 letters, then 6 letters were added with dots. The Arabic alphabet was derived from the Nabataean Aramaic alphabet.
True.
Its in reality the Aramaic script
Nabatean weren't Aramaic
@user-xr2jt7ss4o The Nabataean alphabet is one of the branches of the Aramaic alphabet, consisting of twenty two letters. The Nabataeans used it in writing down their Nabataean Arabic language. A large group of these inscriptions were found in southern Jordan, where their capital was Reqim (Petra), extending to the Hauran in the north and the Negev Palestine in the south and in Hegra in Saudi Arabia.
( The Arabic alphabet was derived from the Nabataean Aramaic alphabet)
Not the Arabic alphabet, but the Arabic script, that’s why they added the 6 letters that were lost from Nabataean and Aramaic alphabet. The Arabic alphabet’s 28 letters already attested and well documented in the north Arabian Safatic and Thamudic scripts, that dates back from 1000 BC, to around 200 AD. Around the 3nd century AD, the new Arabic alphabet started to appear in inscriptions.
I can tell you spent a lot of time researching the history of Farsi and probably the same amount of time if not more time in devepling some new video production skills.
Much, much, much more time 🤣 .
I've always been into drawing and animation (that's quite banal among Japan lovers, I think). I like to try out new things and improve :)
Thank you for your comment ^.^
What I like about both, is how the Kurdish language handles the script a little better, making it easier to read
How so? Could you expand a little more? :)
@@nofridaynightplans basically, the kurdish language in Iraq and Iran uses the perso-arabic script as well, but they built upon it to make it more phonetic.
English: "Hello, how are you?"
Kurdish (Kurmanji dialect) in Kurdish script:
سڵاڤ، چاو هێدی؟
Persian in Persian script:
سلام، حال شما چطور است؟
Arabic in Arabic script:
مرحبًا، كيف حالك؟ (to a male)
مرحبًا، كيف حالك؟ (to a female)
What I meant to say, is that Kurdish takes the script and makes it even more phonetic by having letters that represents shorter vowels
@@ethandouro4334 That's really interesting! Thank you for sharing :)
@@nofridaynightplans you're welcome! I really like the Perso-arabic script, so I really wanted to add this :)
@@ethandouro4334you speak the three languages?
I am so happy that I came across your channel. It is a great leaning place. Thank you
Even a kid knows this. The Persians are Aryans the Arabs are Semites. When Semitic-Arabs conquered Iran the process of Semitization was initiated into the script, culture, names, etc. if not ethnically on a large scale. Yet the Persians a great civilization maintained their Aryan religious Zoroastrian past and celebrate Navroz (New Year) and Persian remains an Aryan (Indo-European) language with some Semitic words which it has picked up with the advent of Semitic-Islam. The Semites (Yehudi-Arabs) are children of Abraham (Ibrahim) Persians are surely not.
Bhai jaan Aryan aur Iranian mein farq hai.
Aur hum zubaane ki baat karrahe hain, naslo ki nahi.
Aryan are Vedic-Zorastrian
@@ibrahimihsan2090 I don't have your information Mr Hindu 😂😂
@@galaxymyt4834 I am not Hindu.
In English, the word is Arabization, not semiticization.
0:10 "Sure. Everyone has always been pondering this very question." Well, I surely have -- but I didn't realize everyone has.
Ah, sarcasm. Such a sweet melody to my ears. 😌
Very interesting Thank you
liked , subbed , thanks for your efforts and well done .
Oh thank you so much for the lovely encouragement. That’s much appreciated! 🙂
I am a Turk who try to be familiar with Arabic Language. I prefer texts with Arabic alphabet over others. The reason is that even if the letters are smaller, I get less tired while reading.
I mean if someone has the capacity to think that arabic and persian are the same because they use the same alphabet, so he must be thinking that spanish and english are the same as well
Spanish and English are linguistically related. That's not the case for Arabic and Farsi.
@@nofridaynightplans yeah they are both indoeuropean but they're not closely related I mean one is Latin and the other is Germanic but you get the gest
I mean if you couldn't read the Latin alphabet at all, I could easily forgive you.
Up until recently you could show me Mongolian and I'd tell you it's Russian because they both (at least as of then) use the Cyrillic alphabet.
@@nofridaynightplans A better example then would be French and Vietnamese.
@@nofridaynightplanscultural related, through conquest of Persia
I liked the fire reference to Zoroastrianism :) Very good vid.
Well spotted!
One of the most well-known Zoroastrians in recent memory? Freddie Mercury.
@@DarDarBinks1986 you beat me to it 😂
It is interesting that the Persians adopted the Arabic alphabet and at the same time developed it by adding nunation
Good job by the way👍
My language- Punjabi, has two scripts. One of them is written with the help of Arabic-Perso Script, called Shahmukhi Punjabi.
And the other?
I'm a Punjabi too, jat brothers ❤
I hope that in the future, Iranians will be able to revive the ancient Persian script and use it in everyday writing. thank you
You mean Aramaic? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@عليياسر-ف4ن9ك 🍆
@@عليياسر-ف4ن9كno moron. It's called Avestan alphabet
Grow up, Arabic alphabet is the most beautiful alphabet
@@coolranch-ez4tuNo, the Chinese logographs are the most beautiful
3:22 Never write negative dates! Use BC or BCE. I don't know about you, but I have been taught that there are no negative dates.
That makes sense, because the AD system was developed by men who had not heard of (or did not believe in) the concept of zero.
After Persia was conquered and ruled by the Arabs they banned the Persian of using their language and culture for the next 200 years they were not allowed to use anything resembles the Persian and this period is known in the history as Persian silence year and alot of Arabic words got into the Persian and alot of Persian words got into Arabic too and the Persian scholars refined the Arabic letters and made it suitable for them to use by adding the dots and creating the Arabic grammar as we know it today
This is false , Arabs have never banned the Persian language stop spreading lies
Yes it is ture, 2nd kalif omar ibn khatab ordered to fire and burn the biggest library in the world and first university Gondi Shahpour جندی شاهپور because his logic was ONLY Quran is enough for us as book of God! and use of Pahlavi was illegal to the point that most Iranian and Persin science scripts and books was written in Arabic
Then you don't know the real history, of course it is up to you to believe in anything you wish
The Arabs did not prevent anyone from using their language
Iranians use Arabic because it is a superior language
Even Al-Biruni preferred to curse in Arabic rather than praise in Persian
@@azizahamdiThe inventor of the rules is an Arab, not a Persian
The Alphabet you are refering to is Syrio Aramaic. Arabic wasn't even a writen language till the 8th century. It had only 16 alphabets before then (it had no diacritical marks till circa 710 AD)
The Kuffic (Kuffar) script came from Persia not the other way around.
Persians have greatly contributed to the development of the script and even helped shape the Arabic grammar in its written form.
However, if the Kuffic script is originally from Persian, how did it develop (not in a vaccum presumably since the Persians were using the Pahlavi scripts...)?
As for the fact that Arabic was not a written language before Islam, several inscriptions contradict this hypothesis. 15minutehistory.org/podcast/episode-107-the-yazid-inscription/
In areas that are so geographically close, most things work in terms of "continuum". All cultures give and take to respond to the historical necessities of the times.
And, at this point in History, it's important to remain humble as many things are yet to be discovered.
Thank you for your comment.
@@nofridaynightplans smh you still didn't give him a counter argument. and it's true that the arabic script came from persian scripts and was developed by persians. just because you think it's not, doesn't make it less coming from persians.
@@batminton7467from what i know the Arabic alphabet was created in today’s Iraq by both Arab and Persian merchants of that region,Iraq had mixed population of Arab and Persian at that time, the kingdom of the Lakhmids were allies of Persia until a Persian king decided to execute theyre king in front his own people and annex theyre land this bad action later on played a key role in the down fall of the Persians and perhaps the greatest reason why Arabs hated the Persians so much after conquering them
@@nofridaynightplans It's more like you say USA older than China 😂
The Arabic alphabet originated with the Arabs, not the Persians
Interesting topic!
Luckily they held on to their language. No small feat.
Luckily? Trust me in saying that Arabs have no interest in absorbing Iranians into their Arabness.
Cuz our culture was way richer, so they adapt
@@what_is_earth yes, everyone knows that Iranian culture is the best.
@@safarit678 how is one culture superior to another? and isn't pretty much most cultures today a copy of western culture?
@@Aksarallah sarcasm to some Iranians here who speak down to Arabs. They are very salty
But all these sounds that are found in Persian are also found in many modern Arabic dialects. Like چ (ch) sometimes as تش it exists in a lot of dialects like iraqi/gulf and Maghrebi arabic... as for گ (g) It is found in almost all dialects : in gulf/ Yemeni its ق or ج , in Egyptian it's ج, and in Moroccan it's ڭے/ڭ and algerian i's ڤ. As for ژ (dj) , دج or just ج in msa It is an original sound in Classical/standard Arabic, contrary to what some people think. Therefore, we find it widespread in some dialects, such as Najdi, and also some Maghrebi dialects.As for پ( p), it is found in some few Arabic dialects in its native form. In the dialect of northern Morocco and also in some Iraqi dialects.. while ڤ (v) ,( "و" in Persian), is the only sound that is not found in any common Arabic dialect natively, and I still do not know whether it is found in Maltese, Cypriot, or the dialects of Central Asia.
Many of those dialects adopted those sounds from either Persian, or other non Arab languages in close proximity. Take the name of the famous dish کله پاچه for instance which is a Persian word but also known and used by Iraqis and other Arabs since they also eat the dish. When talking about Arabic, we must consider the classical form that is found in historical literature since thats the formal version and the version that the Arabs historically spoke (or atleast much closer to it). Classical Arabic contains neitherچ، پ، ژ، گ، since these sounds are not native to it. Other Semitic languages contain some of these sounds but not Arabic. Additionally, i think you are misunderstanding what ژ sounds like. ژ sounds like the French Je, also how some chinese names like zheung are pronounced. This sound is not existent in classical Arabic, or any Arabic for that matter.
@@Alborzhakimi7010 I know that when the Arabic language is mentioned, it is generally meant the modern literary standard Arabic, which was derived from Qur’anic classical Arabic.I just wanted to inform the people that many of these sounds are found in modern spoken dialects of it .and thank you for clarifying the misunderstanding in which I thought that “ ژ” means "dj". But I still don't understand the difference between it and "j" (ج), Is it a softer version of it? and Yes, you are right that must of these sounds are not native to the original language and are a result of contact and influence from other languages, but the “گ” sound (also چ maybe) is definitely a natural development of the Arabic language, as there are Isolated dialects that close to classical Arabic within the Arabian Peninsula that have that sound, such as Yemeni. This natural shift occurred because in some dialects, the "ق" was found difficult to pronounce, so it became "گ", and also the same thing happened to the "ج" in some other dialects, as it became "گ".Also, when I said that the “p” is natively present in a few spoken Arabic dialects, i meant by it that it was not because of loanwords (Like the example you gave, and by the way, I didn't know it because I am not an Iraqi or a Gulfian ) , but rather by some native Arabic words in which the "b" is turn into a "p" for example "təpchi" (تپچي) in iraqi from "tabki" in MSA which means (She cries /You cry) or "mpaɛzən" (مپعزن) in northern Moroccan which means "arrogant".In this case, this is certainly the accent influence of languages other than Arabic, such as Persian, Kurdish, and Aramaic for Iraqi. As for northern Morocco, this change is due to Latin, Punic, and also Old Spanish.
@@yassineanassine7905 thanks for your response. In regards to the ژ, the formal name for the phoneme is the “voiced postalveolar fricative” so you can google it if you want to hear it. After some research I found out that the phoneme does actually exist in the Maghrebi and Hejazi Arabic dialects. From what I read, it seems like the Maghrebi dialect borrowed the ژ phoneme from French, and the Hejazi dialect got it from Persian. Also, those examples you provided of native Arabic words in which other phonemes get replaced by پ، گ، چ، ژ are very interesting. Are those colloquial forms of pronunciation of those words (meaning only used by youth or adults when talking to close friends or family) or are they used whenever speaking in that specific Arabic dialect?
Persian gulf*
Persian gulf*
Dude! That editing!! Loved it besides the fact it is super interesting! 🎉
Thanks! 😁
Actually, the modern Arabic Naskh script that we read in Quran was developed by Persians. The original Arabic script was Kufic and didn't have dots or ijams.
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He was an Abbasid. Part of an Arab empire
@@BibliotecanatalieAbbasid were the occupiers
@@cyruspanel3734yes they were occupying a higher level of mind. They were liberating Iran from jahiliysh
do you mean the umayyads?
Bravo.what a brief and efficient explanation.as a persian or current iranian appreciate the effort.
Thank you. It's very much appreciated.
Wonderful exposition - guiding viewers to some books you think are intriguing and related would be helpful.
A lucid and simple presentation that helps us lay people think a bit more about these things, thank you.
Thank you for your comment :)
My next video on Africa will include a book recommendation, but for this one I don't have any.
This question had been intriguing me for some time and I decided to research the topic to get some initial insights. But a lot of people in the comments are quite knowledgeable about this very issue and I'm sure they'll be able to guide you if you wish to dig further about the history of Persia, or how the Persians helped shape the Perso-Arabic script as it is today ^.^
I was surprised that Persian language is an Indoeuropean one, which means it is related more closely to my language (Czech) than to Arabic. I can see some similarities in vocabulary and grammar between Czech and other Indoeuropean languages I studied (English, German, French, Icelandic, Latin), I am curious if those similarities are also true for Persian.
Yeah, there are lots of similarities in vocabulary, especially in basic words referring to family members. Here are some examples~
mother: mâdar, father: pedar, brother: barâdar, daughter: doxtar
I was amazed by how similar these words are to english. Also, since Old Persian and Avestan are Iranian languages, they are rlly similar to the Indo-aryan languages in vocabulary. Compare the words above to Sanskrit mā́tṛ (mother), bhrā́tṛ (brother) and so on
I'm currently learning farsi and a lot of it is very easy for me bc of the similarities with Hindi and Urdu, which i can understand. But ofc most of these similarities are due to borrowings from Persian. Not everything is a borrowing tho, such as the numbers, which are very familiar to anyone who knows Hindi/urdu. It's always fascinating to see how similar numbers are to each other in indo-european languages, since they're (for the most part) all inherited from the same set in PIE
Indo european languages are very numerous all the area from turkey down to mayanmar is of indo european languages almost
1_ 🇨🇿ty 🇮🇷to
2_ 🇨🇿on/ona/ono 🇮🇷 un/ān
3_ 🇨🇿ony/oni/ona 🇮🇷ānan/una
4_ 🇨🇿kdo 🇮🇷ki/ke
5_ 🇨🇿co 🇮🇷če/či
6_ 🇨🇿kde 🇮🇷kojā/ku
7_ 🇨🇿kdy 🇮🇷key
8_ 🇨🇿ne 🇮🇷ne/na
9_ 🇨🇿jeden 🇮🇷yek
10_ 🇨🇿dva 🇮🇷do/du
11_ 🇨🇿tři 🇮🇷se
12_ 🇨🇿čtyři 🇮🇷čahār
13_ 🇨🇿pět 🇮🇷panj
14_ 🇨🇿žena 🇮🇷zan
15_ 🇨🇿muž 🇮🇷mard
16_ 🇨🇿matka/máti 🇮🇷mādar
17_ 🇨🇿nehet 🇮🇷nāxon
18_ 🇨🇿játra 🇮🇷jegar
19_ 🇨🇿vidêt 🇮🇷didan/vidan
20_ 🇨🇿žít 🇮🇷zist
21_ 🇨🇿umírat/umřít 🇮🇷mir/marg/mord
22_ 🇨🇿stát 🇮🇷istād
23_ 🇨🇿dát 🇮🇷dād
24_ 🇨🇿měsíc 🇮🇷māh
25_ 🇨🇿řeka 🇮🇷rud
26_ 🇨🇿země 🇮🇷zamin
27_ 🇨🇿mlha 🇮🇷meh
28_ 🇨🇿nový 🇮🇷now/nav
29_ 🇨🇿zima 🇮🇷zemestan
PS1: these were a few of the most basic cognates between Persian & czeck. There are tons of more complex cognates.
PS2: sometimes other Iranic languages are closer to czech for instance Avestan🇮🇷 for drinking is "pit", same in Czech ig.
All indoeuro languages have many things jn common
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Actually, the Perso-Arabic writing system is neither Arabic nor Persian. It was originally developed by the ancient Assyrians to write down their Aramaic language. So, calling this form of writing Arabic is wrong and needs to be corrected.
And by the way, although many people call our language “ Farsi “, but it’s originally supposed to be called “ Parsi “. Farsi is the Arabic pronunciation for Parsi as Arabs don’t have the “ P “ sound in their language.
And lastly, Persians didn’t adopt the writing system known as Arabic. It was forcefully imposed upon them by the Muslim-Arab conquerors. After Persia was conquered by the Muslim-Arabs, they banned speaking Persian language and replaced it with Arabic with nearly two centuries until the Persians fought back and eventually drove the Arab occupiers out of Persia. Only then, the Persian language was once again revived and restored, but this time with a heavy influence from Arabic language to the point that the Parsi language itself is called with its Arabic pronunciation of Farsi!
@@cyrusthegreat1893 iran from 7000 bc have had alot of alphabethical system that changed from time to time .proto elamites that themselves had many various forms .jiroft,shahrsukhte,varamin,shush,tabletes were only afew alphabethic types before elamite,urartuan,elimayi old persian etc.
@@cyrusthegreat1893 also finally iranian groupes accepted arabic alphabeth but must consider ,even untill "hadjjaj ben yusef" in both iran and iraq official language of accounting and treasoury was middle persian.and even untill 8th century they used of persian coins with adding a mark above it.and untill seljucid dynasty a few manuments had middle persian reliefs and many of iranians like daqiqi tusi and ferdowsi could read and understand middle persian in first of 10th c AD.
My clever iranian if the arabs would to deny speaking persian today you would be arab native speaker not persian 😂😂😂
And you must notice the arabs muslim authority vortex only lasted from sack of cetisphon ,capital of sasanids in nearly 640Ad until arabs civil wars between 4th caliph of Rashidun and muavieh bin Abu sufyian .from other side.and then after arabia rebeled by leadership of ibn zubeir and abdullah bin umar against yazid bin muavieh and .then war between marvanids and sofyianids branches of umayyids.until revolt of Abu muslim and Tahir of khorasan and fall of umayyids .after ma'amoon of Abbasids 4th Caliphs of baghdad they played same role of pope of vatican as religious puppet not real sultans.
1:30 It's unfortunate that the map for some reason includes Tajikistan as part of China, especially since this is a video about a Persian language.
And also Kyrgyzstan... And the Caspian is not colored as water...
I recently saw a discussion online if the Persian language uses the same or a different alphabet than Arabic. I had no idea, and now I have learned the answer, Thanks. I suppose it is like the difference between the variations of the latin alphabet, to which many languages added some letters and diacritics to it to make it fit more their phonems. Like ß, ä, ë, ü for German, ð, þ for Icelandic, ç, é, è.. etc. for French, ž,š,č,ř,ď,ť,ň,á,é,í,ó,ú,ů for Czech.
That's a nice synchronicty :)
Regarding the similarities between Persian and other IE languages, you can find answers here: en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/h%E2%82%81%C3%A9sti
I don't speak Farsi but I was surprised that they use "است" (ast) as the verb "to be", which is similar to "est" in Latin, and other Latin-derived languages like French. I don't know about other similarities, but I'm sure there are plenty :)
I believe the islandic letters you mentioned come from old english my friend
Both these scripts derive from Aramaic
2:03 It has its roots in the Pontic Caspian Steppe north of the Caucusus mountains, not south
Not according to the latest information.
@@nofridaynightplans What latest information?
Is this even a good study? Even if it is, you should present the consensus, not just a new theory. A new study is not automatically correct.
The day the great Persians fell stupidly to adopt the Arabic religion and culture, that day marked the beginning of the downfall of once the world center of knowledge. And it would never be the same until they get ride of the Arabic culture and religion.
Exactly
2:05, I'm not really sure where you have this from, most commonly Proto-indo-european is thought to have been spoken by the Yamnaya in the pontic-caspian steppes (i.e. north of the caucasus)
Colonization like any nation using latin
Actually Latin was because of the Catholic church 😊
This isn't a place for proud nationalism. People in close proximity mix and mingle and produce wonderful things. Love to my persians brothers and sisters from Iraq.
The origin of Arabic alphabet derived from kufi alphabet which was part of the Persian impure before Arab invasion. So the Arabic alphabet derived from kufi alphabet which was part of Iran at that time.
The fuck you talking about? Kufi is the name of early Arabic calligraphy, and Kufa was built by the Arab next to the ancient Lakhmid Arab capital of Hira, those lands were for a time under the rule of the Sassanid shah but they were never ethnically Persian, in fact even the Sassanid capital wasn't Persian and it people spoke Aramaic,
The alphabet used by Persians is Arabic there is no shame in that
Typical iranian
Lol I'm from kufa it's full Arab City and built by Abbasid Arabs during the time of Abbasid caliphate, Stop stealing our history, PersAin
I Forget to mention Kufi Script originated from City of Kufa.
@@miracleyang3048 Iraq is capital of Iran before Muslims they aren't Arab
@@karar_YT😂😂😂 and what about those Persian art and castle in Iraq
Great video, many thanks!
Was the oldest Persian book Avesta, the Zorarstrian holy book also written in Arabic script? If not, then which is the oldest book written in Arabic script and what’s its timeline?
Avesta uses its own scripture developed by Sasanid priests for an easier and more accurate reading of the holy texts. It's called the Avestan script
No. It predates Arabic alphabet by thousands of years
@@SponsorShort no it doesn't. Arabic alphabet and Avestan script were created and used around the same time. First evidences of the Arabic writing are just as old as the Avestan script.
@@artinrahideh1229Wrong.oldest Avesta part (Gatha) is around 5000 years old my friend,and was written down around 700 BC. Oldest known Arabic text is PERF 558 around 643 CE, and Achamenid cuneiform is even older, and Ilamite inscriptions are around 7000 years old. sorry but Arabic culture has nothing to be compared to the Persian one., not to mention even Arabic itself was regulated and grammatized by a Persian scholar name Ibn-Sibuye.
@@SponsorShort and what is the source that Gathas were created 5000 years ago and written down 2700 years ago?( Don't tell me that your source is "kārnāmag-i-Ardašir" cause that is a mythology, not a reliable historic text).
I love the font used in the thumbnail and would really apreciate the name.
The font is 29LT Zeyn.
🇮🇷: The Arabs converted us.
🇦🇫: The 🇮🇷 converted us.
🇹🇯: The Russians made us write cyrillic but didn't convert us.
Lol
Afyounestan, aka. land of opium, has been a province of Iran, how dare you spread misinformation? Afghanistan is Iran, The British drawn borders have deceived you.
Iran and the separated part Eastern Khorasan aka Afghanistan is same country
@@moda1496 different governments
Arabs didnt convert Persians, they even banned Persins from becoming muslim. Persians converted themselves en mass after throwing the arabs out via the buyids, saffarids, abu muslim khorossani etc..
Thanks, I like the way you did it 😊
Because the Arabs conquered the Persians.
Short and succinct.
Glossed over a few conquests but mostly pretty informative!
Saying "Persian is Arabic" is like saying Tibetan is Hindi( although Tibetan script bears little to no similarities with Devanagari script of Hindi), because they are derived from a common source.
We Hindus use different abugidas since the 2500-2800 years to read our 5k-6k old religious Hindu literature, each abugida is completely different in shape and look, but bears similarities with Sanskrit alphabet( we call Hindy alphabets as Varnamala generally aka garland of letters).
Hindi language loans a lot of Arabic/Persian words, we place a dot( Bindu in Sanskrit, Nuqta in Arabic) to the most related letter phonologically while writing that exact symbol nowadays, but since our languages originally don't have sound values for those foreign letters, we pronounce them with the closest native equivalents.
For writing x in Persian, ख/kha in original Hindu/Sanskrit script changes to ख़.
For writing ghayn in Arabic( idk about the sound, but Arabic speakers please confirm if its pronounced that way), we simply add a dot to घ/gha sound of Sanskrit to form घ़/ ghayn.
Mind you, this is for transliteration of Muslim literature into Indian languages, but Hindus don't read about these symbols generally or don't pronounce them, because its not present in our original alphabet. Indian muslims learn Arabic/Persian in their religious schools in perso-Arabic script, so they can pronounce them.
But we see more of Sanskrit and Prakrit words used in our Indian languages in media, singling out Persian and Arabic words. This is all due to Nativisation efforts, personally I don't see anything wrong in this. Native equivalents must be cherished before anything and this has nothing to do with enmity via religion, but even European words are discouraged while writing in Hindu scripts aka Abugidas/lipis. More old words are brought to circulation that way.
@@infinite5795 because they steal persian language they don't have anything
Most persians today are mixed Arabs
I watched the video again because needed some info for a personal thing. I had forgotten it was funny. The humor is silly but I laughed 🤣😂
why do you say "empaire" instead of of em-pire?
I shall go and ponder this very existential question, and get back to you as soon as I find the answer.
As a afghan sufi I love this topic. Peace to you. And salam alaikum and dürûd to my Muslim brothers and sisters
The Persian Alphabet or Abjad was further adapted, by the addition of extra letters, for use with Urdu and Sindhi. Urdu is possibly understood by about twice as many people as Persian, thought not all of them can read and write it.
Its all descended of Aramaic anyways
There are several similar examples around the world, Maltese is an Arabic language written in Latin script for example.
Indeed, and I am pretty sure that’s what I start the video with.
Thanks indeed for the info : )
Interesting to call it Arabic script where Arabs used to use Hijazi script that itself derived from Pahlavi Persian and the majority of linguist developed the current script where Persians… also none of the benefits of the so called Arabic script you mentioned were existed at the time as Hijazi script had all the mentioned flaws…
the only reason it became famous as Arabic script is that Islamic literature later was written in this script and big majority of countries used this script were muslims and mostly forced to speak Arabic instead of their own language including in Iran… but Iranians during the Afshrid Empire revolted and brought back Persian while other countries like Egypt, Libya, Morocco and Iraq didn’t bring back their language and their historical identity and accepted the new identity…
I haven't found any evidence supporting the hypothesis the Hijazi script comes from Pahlavi. Don't hesitate to share links so that we can all grow in knowledge and improve.
Also, this is not an arena for yet another form of horizontal struggles. When peoples interact and mingle, it inevitably forms a continuum of influences where everyone gives and takes. And there are always objective historical reasons why events unfold the way they do.
@@nofridaynightplans
As an Arab, I tell you, believe me, you will not find any evidence even if you spend your whole life searching 🤣. The Iranians are trying to deny that they use the Arabic alphabet, and instead they say that it is a Persian alphabet and that the Arabs were the ones who took it from the Persians, and this is a very funny thing.
Like someone trying to block the sunlight with his hand and then telling people there is no sun
Early Islamic Malay language also derived from the Arabic language we called it jawi. Like the Persian, Jawi also some additional letters add to suit our tongue,unfortunately the Jawi slowly forgotten by our youth.
Actually many malay can read and write jawi but its easier to use latin alphabet...plus malay language need to have vowels to sound like native
A very simple answer to this question would be: Umavid and Abbassid caliphs prohibited the use of Pahlavi. You failed to mention that and it's disappointing.
The answer is far from simple. The Umayyid caliphs changed the formal language to Arabic and prohibited the use of Pahlavi in the public sphere, but this was a couple hundred years before Persians adopted the Arabic script. The Abbasids on the other hand, did NOT prohibit the pahlavi script and even allowed Zoroastrian priests to write theological treatises in Middle Persian. Some Abbasid caliphs even allowed debates between Zoroastrian scholars and Muslim scholars to take place in their courts, which was then documented by each group in their respective languages (middle persian being one of them).
Here is a quote from an article on Brill titled “Fashioning Persian Identity: Asadi’s Staged Dispute between a Zoroastrian and a Muslim”
“After the conquest of Persia and the start of the conversion of Persians to Islam in the seventh century, debate poems came into vogue in the intellectual milieu and at the élite courts of the Abbasid period (750-1258). At gatherings organized at the courts or mansions of the aristocracy, religious leaders of various communities were invited to debate controversial religious subjects (Griffith; van Berkel; Bauer, 172-82). Such contests took place between members of the Zoroastrian communities and Muslims or Muslims and Christians, Manicheans, or Jews. These debates, which belong to the genre of apologetic literature, have survived in both Middle Persian and New Persian.
The fact that disputations became popular during this period shows how religious communities in the early Islamic Middle East responded to the rise of Islam. The Arab-Islamic invasion of Persia created a very complex situation for Persians as they processed the socio-political transformation and the integration of Islam in their lives. “
This tolerance towards Middle Persian was only continued and even amplified during the Iranian Intermezzo period where dynasties like the Buyids, Samanids, etc… allowed the publishing of Middle Persian texts along with New Persian ones. It was during the Iranian Intermezzo period, where Iran was either under fully sovereign rule from the caliphs or defacto sovereign rule (depending on which part of iran and which year), that the Arabic script was adopted. It was the Tahirids who were defacto independent from the Abbasids who first made the change to the Arabic script formally. To simplify this complex matter by sayinf the Abbasids prohibited the use of Pahlavi would be foolish. In fact, there is a Middle Persian text called the Gizistag Abalish which documented a debate between a Zoroastrian priest and a heretic dualist (zandik) in the court of al mamun. You can find more about that text by reading the following paper:
A Zoroastrian Dispute in the Caliph’s Court
The Gizistag Abāliš in its Early Islamic Context
Christian C. Sahner
Oriental Institute, University of Oxford
christian.sahner@orinst.ox.ac.uk
Thank you for writing such a detailed answer. I'm sure this will be valuable for many viewers.
@Alborzhakimi7010 well thanks for the very informative and long answer but can you explain the scarcity of Middle Persian texts during the Iranian intermezzo and the sudden flourishing of Early Modern Persian in the 9th century? Any reason beyond the political prohibition would sound foolish to me no matter how many documents you provide. The history is written by the winners AKA the Muslims (both Arab overlords and locals) who had the upper hand. You may argue that the written form of Middle Persian didn't have a strong backbone even in the Sassanid era but to say that the Arab Caliphs didn't ban the use of the Pahlavi script is just a big fat lie. No nation has ever chosen a certain script unless it was heavily supported or even imposed by the ruling class.
@nofridaynightplans yet your video failed to mention such an important factor i.e. the political reasons and the Arab overlords' racism toward anything originally Persian
"No nation has ever chosen a certain script unless it was heavily supported or even imposed by the ruling class."
The State has always been the entity meant to defend and support the interests of the ruling class... ever since the emergence of class divisions with the Neolithic revolution.
If it happened that way, there were objective historical reasons. And the interest of the people is never one of these.
Thanks for such a well prepared, brief narration
I appreciate the support. Thank you.
Another absurdity is to call the persian language Farsi, only because the arabic alphabet knows no P letter.
Farsi should logically be pronounced and written Parsi = Persian.
As I studied Parsi, a beautyful language, I noticed that Parsi phonetics can perfectly be written in the latin alfabet.
Interestingggg. So basically you are European. I knew it
Thanks, an explanation of the evolution of the Arabic script would also be interesting. Another topic would be the evolution of Persian poetry. One topic I’ve not been able to find is the Zoroastrian Prophet.
It is fairer to say that Persian already had a writing system adopted from a Semitic language. Then, it could influence Arabic, which was going through changes to cover a wide range of cultures with different interpretations of pronunciations. So, it seems Persian influenced the Arabic script system while it was adopting it as a new writing system.
Persian, Arabic, Hebrew, Urdu all are shared by one alphabet, with small differences. they all have one ancestor alphabet that they are using today. there is lot of evolution on to this parent alphabet. we cant clearly say Persians had first used this alphabet and later Arabs adopted it or vise verse. but possibility is there becoz of Persian Empire.
The Persian alphabet is derived from Arabic abjad
@@oreeg242 No, this writing system is much more older than Arabic.
@mmehdig just to clear things up.. the idea that Persian influenced the Arabic script while adopting it is not correct.The Arabic script was already developed by the 4th century CE, long before the Islamic conquests. Persian adopted the Arabic script after these conquests. Sure, Persian tweaked the Arabic script a bit to fit its sounds (like adding پ, چ, ژ, and گ), but that doesn’t mean Persian influenced the Arabic script’s development. The only devolvement happened to the Arabic script, like adding dots to distinguish letters, were made by Abu al-Aswad al-Du'ali, an Arab scholar.
@@720babylon for sure! arabic script was developed by arabic speakers. I am not educated enough in this topic. One language influencing other languages is a common thing so I just assumed that must be the case. Specially considering that arabic did not have a proper grammar then and Arab scholars lived in Persian speaking regions and they had a chance to influence each other. For example Sibuye was Persian but he helped developing the process of standardization in Arabic. (well not directly the script)
I agree my comment above is not accurate.
1:14 i don't this so, so, Persian language was existed before Islam that's right, BUT its affected by Aramaic script 500 BC, it had happened after Achaemenid conquest, the Passion Empire accepted official Aramaic language and its script as official and formal language in the Persian Empire
oh, looks like i was rushed a bit, sorry, i see that you explained that later on and explained the point clearly ..
You could write English in the Arabic script if you wanted to - I believe other Indo-European languages like Albanian and Bosnian were at times written with Arabic script -during the Ottoman Turkish occupation as Turks then as well wrote in Arabic script. Even Indonesian languages (Javanese) once written in Arabic script. The same thing was done with Cyrillic when Russian owned a slew of countries in central Asia and the far East.
No thanks 😅
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Why hindi languge adopting devanagri script ?
I don't think saying Persian script derived from arabic is accurate...the extra letter found in farsi are also used in many different arabic dialects...in the ild time arabic was not the classic arabic we know today they were like dialects some of them had those extra letters some didn't...and the the alphabet they established that had 28 letters was just conventional to be the best because it was unnecessary to have extra letters that only few minorities used ... Like the soung /g/ ڨ we just write it as ق or ڨ گ even that ڨ گ are not conventionally in the arabic alphabet yet most of us already know people use them and therefore understand them ..also the sound / p / is not present in the arabic alphabet yet most of us can pronounce it and we have it in our dialects especially north africans they can speak any language perfectly... So it's more about who was in charge of making the rules they often do not know about other tribes abd dialects...you know harsh desert vast land there were many people living without the ruler knowing about them
And what I like about Persians is that they are nice and. They don't feel bad or get offended when someone tells that that script is arabic script...they are proud of themselves
I don't understand you. Persian writing came from Arabic, that's obvious, you can look at their earlier writing systems to compare. I think you might be confusing something between writing systems and phonology, it's very common for a language to add symbols for itself when it adopts a writing system from another language.
Persian languages derived from classic arabic (quranic arabic). There is no /g/ sound, Because of this /g/ is written like گ, k-g. B-p, z-zh
@@Uchqunbekuz *Persian script
Iranians are nice and fun but try calling them Arabs and you will see the backlash 🤣
@@CeoLogJM no no ..i was saying the same thing because the video owner kinda made them look like two different writing systems i agree with what you said here of course
A very interesting post indeed!
Great video, good editing and very informative! Just one question/correction: didn't the Indo-European languages originate from the Ponto-Caspic Steppe in Russia and Ukraine on the other side of the Black Sea as opposed to the South Caucasus as stated in this video?
Hi! Thank you for your nice comment :)
Here's the latest hypothesis regarding the origins of the IE family. Your comment is very timely since I had forgotten to add it to the sources! Thank you ^0^
www.mpg.de/20666229/0725-evan-origin-of-the-indo-european-languages-150495-x
@@nofridaynightplans truth is iran invaded by Arabs and they easily steal their language
Commenting to commend your efforts. Really good video, J.!
Thank you so much for the support 😭
Islamic conquest of Persia is one of saddest events in history. A glorious civilization conquered by barbarism and never recovered since.
True
The Islamic Golden Age literally started in Persia.
well than you didn't read the histories very well. the persian revenge on the arabs was devastating. they wiped out almost everyone and rewrote their histories. modern day bedouins try to cope with that historical fact by spreading lies and fake historical accounts. but the schooled ones know exactly what i mean with the persian revenge.
Agreed
Haha we conquered and humiliated your civilization. Such a Persian loser
Jihan, you are killing it with your animated videos!
Thank you so much, Tasneem 😭🌸
What bullshit map is that? Where is Qyrghyzstan? It is not China. If anything Qyrghyz are Qazaq.
Same as why Kashmir is separated from India? Kashmir is a part of India...
And why China occupies Kyrgystan and Turkmenistan on map?
I think this RUclipsr is a Chinese shill...😂😂😂
Looks like it. But then again I dont blame Persians for that. They cant accept American money so might as well take Xhinese money.
Not Turkmenistan, Tajikistan
It's even more interesting in Kurdish , making it easier to read and write , with more accuracy ❤️☀️💚
Why do we call it Arabic when its literally Aramaic and was perfected by Persians?
Because Aramaic alphabet is different. Arabic used Aramaic alphabet and modified it but it’s not the same. Arabic reader cant read Aramaic scripts.
is arabic idiot not persian or aramaic
Can someone who’s native language is Arabic answer my question please?
How is it possible that in Arabic there are 4 missing letters that are very common in Farsi and many other languages; These letters are G (گ), P (پ), Ch (چ), and J (ژ)?
So it means Arabic never had a word with P or G? Is it even possible?
How do you pronounce international words such as Park, Google, Check? Do you change the word completely (make a new word in Arabic) or just replace the letter to another one? For example what is the word for “Google”? Is it a completely new word or is it like “Kookle” for example since there is no G?
It’s very difficult for me to understand how these letters are missing in Arabic because as I said they are very common in other languages specifically the letters of P and G are very common in most of the words in Farsi, English, German, etc.
The letter "P" does not exist in Arabic at all, and there is not a single word that contains this letter
And the letter "ch" is written "تش". It's not difficult! We can write it in our Arabic alphabet and we do not need to import Persian letters
None of the Arabs write the letter “چ” except for the Iraqis and Kuwaitis, due to their close proximity to Iran. As for the rest of the Arab world, they do not use it, but rather use the letter “تش”
The letter "g" is the same as the letter "ق".
The word “google” is written in Arabic as “قوقل” It is very, very simple. I don’t know why you imagine that it is so difficult? 😁
@@Abu_Nasser_Al-Ghamdi قوقل؟ 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Shahram19702010
The letter "G" does not exist at all in the ancient Arabic language, "Fusha", and there is no word that contains this letter, That's why this letter does not exist in the alphabet
But in modern Arabic, the letter “ق” became the letter “G”.
There are two ways to pronounce the letter “ق”, the stressed way, which is its true pronunciation in classical Arabic, and the light way, which becomes “G”.
Please do not laugh and look down on us when your language basically contains 60% Arabic vocabulary and you use our alphabet!
Before you laugh at the alphabets of other languages, tell me where your lost alphabet is? 🤣🤣🤣
@@Abu_Nasser_Al-Ghamdi I am not laughing at your language, it was just funny the word قوقل seems the same as the sound that a rooster make early morning🤣🤣🤣
Joke aside, Farsi language doesn’t contain %60 Arabic words either but off course borrowed many words which is not a shame for a language; It only adds to its richness of vocabulary. Like English that contains many words from other languages so don’t be ashamed if your language borrowed words. The richness of a language depends on how a language is useful. Farsi is an ancient poetic language and Arabic is also a very rich language, so I’ve heard, but you can imagine that for each person the native language is smoother/sweeter than foreign languages, for me personally English is the only language that equals to my Native language, even French or Spanish doesn’t sound nice to me. 👍👍👍
@@Abu_Nasser_Al-Ghamdi
The original sound of ج was g (as it is still in Egypt).
ق is pronounced as ا or تش in many places.
Your dialect is not the only correct way to pronounce Arabic.
Persian alphabet is Persian and not Arabic. Arabs use our Persian alphabet
lol. Persian alphabet was derived from Arabic alphabet which was derived from Nabatean alphabet which was derived from Aramaic alphabet which was derived from Pheonician alphabet.
You need to go back to school 😂
In achaemenids age iran alphabeth was cuiniform and difficult to write on paper.after a while iranians selected Aramaic alphabeth .from old Aramaic have been made 5 alphabeth middlepersian or parthavi or parsic,kufi and Hijazi alphabeth ancestor of modern Arabic alphabeth and square hebrew thus middle persian and arabic alphabeth have same ancestry.
If the old shah had me around, he'd have scrapped the Arabic alphabet and adopted the Latin alphabet like Mustafa Kemal Atatürk did in Turkey. Or he'd have at least revived the old Pahlavi script.
I do not speak Farsi. Is the Latin script objectively better suited to transcribe the Persian language? If so, why?
He wouldn't have. The Shah literally gave up to protesters and rioters, reverting the national calender from Cyrus's date of birth to the Prophet's migration. Keep in mind this was when the calender should start, not calender reform. Had he changed the script, he would've been overthrown immmediately, because that is attacking the culture.
The Shah was not like Atatürk, his father Reza was closer to Atatürk, but he himself wasn't.
Is the Latin script objectively a better fit for the Persian language?
@@nofridaynightplans Hard to say. It would be easier to read some words, but some nuances of the language could be lost, such as the different dialects.
Can you provide some examples regarding the reading (I can read both alphabets)?
What you call Arabic are not Arabit alphabet but Persian and made in Koufa, a city near Basra which was part of Persia. 😊
Yeah before Islam it's capital of Iran
The Arabic alphabet originated with the Arabs, not the Persians
Avesta is old Pashto ,,, I don’t know why a lot of people just try to ignore this fact
Pashtos has south indian genetic
@@alisan7012 all you need is a doctor bro ,, take care
Nope
Now I’ve got to check out Tajik, and see if their Farsi with Cyrillic characters would better enable a rookie overview of Farsi, which long ago I only endured for a week, due to the Persian script!
ruclips.net/video/6FIN1Pzyuqo/видео.htmlsi=IU6hwuwAc24CeCLG
Zoorastian and Islam religion.resembled eachother. Both adopted Persian language.
Many did...A more interesting question to ask is why some changed their language to Arabic???
The Arabic language is smart and easy to use
@@Mohammed-zn6qr Most Muslim nations largest in the world, Such as India, Indonesia, some regions of China, and among others kept their languages. Few who changed the language to Arabic were likely forced, as there is no other explanation. It is easy to say it is smart and easy, but no one will buy that. Must say some of these did use the alphabet for various reasons as they had a choice. Some like Turkey later changed back, as they thought why should they use Arabic to write? Thanks anyway.
Most countries that changed their language to Arabic (a Semitic language), already spoke another Semitic language which was less standardized and had less literature of knowledge in comparison to Arabic. But some like Indians didn't leave their language because their language has a rich history of elite literary works as well as scientific and mathematical works that Arabic only complemented, never replaced.
Interesting but I don't think language spoken by tribes got anything to do with Arabic.
@@alhazenmediax
Brother, I don't understand you. Do you despise tribes or the Arabic language? If you despise the Arabic language and your photo contains Arabic words and letters, it is best to remove it to protect your face and pride. If you despise the Arab tribes, do not forget that they defeated the Persians and Romans in a few years and overthrew their empires, not to mention the empires of India and China. In addition, they created great empires and wrote history, and they have great merit that intellectuals (not the ignorant) know about.
Anyone who says that Islam and Arabic were imposed upon the pereians and they had no choice should ponder over the fact that beyond the land of Iran Islam was spread in Farsi language to such an extent that the Arabic religious terms were replaced by Farsi terms. Fasting in arabic is Saum but in Farsi is roza, prayer is salah is Arabic but namaz in Farsi prayer mat in arabic is mosalla in atabic but janemaz in Farsi. There are many religious terms that are used in turkish urdu and other languages of Indian subcontinent that are from Farsi and not Arabic. Quran says there is no compulsion in religion. Persians embraced islam wholeheartedly and likewise Arabs adopted Persian bureaucracy. Later on when safavid's conquered Iran and converted it to Shia religion it was portraied thar islam and Arabic were imposed. No human race is superior, we are all slaves of Allah the most loving the most compassionate.
Islam was not forced upon Iranians except by other Iranians. The Umayyads despised non-Arabs and considered Non-Arab Muslims as second in class and even kept jizya tax on converts. The only way for Persian to thrive in the empire if he swears allegiance to an Arab tribe as Mawlah(helper/client) where you teach yourself Arabic to talk like them and act like them and rename yourself and your father to an Arab name and add that tribe's patronym as yours and you are Muslim. The Umayyads held Arab tribes in high regards, so A Persian is Mawlah will be treated much better and have better oppertunities, even the Arab tribe is obliged to come to vouch for the non-Arab should he need them. You will see alot of Mawalis of black, berber, persian, aramaic, kurd having an Arab nisbah, only later in Abbasid era where you see Persian names like Mahyar, Sibuyeh, Firouz, Khurshid, Qambar, shah...etc. The Persian forced began with Samanids, Peaked with Saffarids and Tahirids, then slowly declined with Buyids due to huge portion already are muslims and the illkhanate Mongols by that time majority of Iranians were Muslims. The fact that Arabs forced it is lie. In the Abbasid age, Most scholars of Islam were Persians, the theme of the Empire was Persian but language was Arabic. Even the Turks who came to dominate final period of Abbasid period adopted persian language and even spread it. Most Persians who make lies about Islam do it because of blind racism and wanting to appear more Europeans🤣
@@beyondheartmindsoul3443 the umayads did what they did, but how much of their history is free from prejudice is an open question. Regarding the mawali system, it makes sense only for non-Arab people living among Arabs. Now imagine an area of land from Armenia to khorasan, how are you going to provide an arab maola or an Arab tribe protection to all these people whereas Arabs were a handful of people, far far less than the non arabs. Islam cannot be forced, it makes no sense. You cannot force loyalty. So first you convert a people by force but still you can't trust them as who knows their conversion was true or they are still following their previous religion in their hearts. You cannot use them in army or police force. Forced conversion never serviced any purpose as a result even Spanish inquisition saw total expulsion as the only solution to the hidden Muslim or moreso problem. The presence of Zoroastrian people is proof that the conversion was not forced, why were they left. The Persian names of Islamic religions nomenclature is another proof. Islamisation could have been slow but not forced.
Islam was sometimes forced sometimes not, it doesnt have to be one or the other.
@beyondheartmindsoul3443 exactly😂, the azeri safavids force lying converting them to Shi'ism lead to their downfall
@@persianguy1524Historically it was sometimes forced, majority of the time it wasn't, like look at the mongols/turks, bengalis, maldivians, Sudanese, and Indonesian/Malaysians who have the largest Muslim population in a country (indonesia)
like the video! up to date info especially regarding the origin of Indo-European languages! ( there was a debate that was recently settled ) Aren't both Pahlavi and Arabic scripts derived form Phenessian scripts?
They are indeed :)
According to the (current) classification, Arabic is derived from the Nabatean script, which itself originates from the Aramaic script. So does Pahlavi.
Now, as you will see in the comments, many argue the Persians are to be credited for the Arabic script too. This does not align with the info I aggregated for the video on the origins of the Arabic script. This being said, I appreciate these are merely hypotheses and nothing is set in stone, at least for now.
However, the Persians did greatly contribute to the development of the script as it is today, including the dots.
The only thing I can say is that in all geographically close areas, a continuum of influences will always exist.
Thank you for your nice comment.
It's even more interesting in Kurdish , making it easier to read and write , with more accuracy ❤️☀️💚
There is one more letter for Kurdish , it sounds like ( V ) in English , it's like (ف) but with 3 dots , this letter is not in Arabic or Persian , and only can be pronounced in Kurdi
Kurdish as a language literally doesnt exist
Kurdish isnt a singular language
@@persianguy1524 kurdish is the 8th strongest language in the world Persian guy 😂😂😂
Kurdish has 900000 words , that's while 45% of Persian words are Arabic
Let the haters bark 😚
@@personalmobile9421
You can comforting yourself by lying as much as you want
Kurds are using so many Arabic and Persian words
That kind of Kurdish you're talking about it's only in north of Iraq which less than 4.5 millions are speaking with it not more
plus Kurdish is not a single language
@@saeeddookat2330 kurdish is one of the most pure languages , Tirki and Percian will die if they don't use Arabic , Kurdish is the 8th language in the world , I'm not saying it , Google and researchers say , kurds and arabs are natives , I'm from Rojhelat of kurdistan , all of us speak in kurdish , and indeed every kurd speaks in kurdish , and yet you can spread misinformation in social media as much as you want , kurdish independence will happen , no one can be stopped
The term Indo-Europen is an insult to Iranian (Persian, Elamite, Kurds, Lors, Parthian, Pahlavi) because it was created by Anglo-Sachsens!
You are so racist...
The Pahlavi script was in use as late as 9th century.
We have text and artifacts.
The arabic scripture of 7th century was neither unified nor organised.
Plus each region used something of their own.
The organisation and unification of the alphabet for islamic caliphate was done by the administrative scribes who were writing everything in Pahlavi still, they would start giving shape to the alphabet by implementing stuff from Aramaic and Pahlavi.
Eventually Sibawayh, a Persian scholar of 8th century who reorganized and wrote down the grammar and basically made the language and alphabet work so that it could actually spread.
The alphabet was persofied and started being used by Iranians around late 8th century.
The Arabic alphabet originated with the Arabs, not the Persians
@@oreeg242 boy this is literally your own historians admitting to the importance of Persian scribes shaping and forming the unified arabic scripture.
Take it up with them.
Also the biggest grammatical work of Arabic is Literally written by a Persian.
😂
Islam was not forced upon Iranians except by other Iranians. The Umayyads despised non-Arabs and considered Non-Arab Muslims as second in class and even kept jizya tax on converts. The only way for Persian to thrive in the empire if he swears allegiance to an Arab tribe as Mawlah(helper/client) where you teach yourself Arabic to talk like them and act like them and rename yourself and your father to an Arab name and add that tribe's patronym as yours and you are Muslim. The Umayyads held Arab tribes in high regards, so A Persian is Mawlah will be treated much better and have better oppertunities, even the Arab tribe is obliged to come to vouch for the non-Arab should he need them. You will see alot of Mawalis of black, berber, persian, aramaic, kurd having an Arab nisbah, only later in Abbasid era where you see Persian names like Mahyar, Sibuyeh, Firouz, Khurshid, Qambar, shah...etc. The Persian forced began with Samanids, Peaked with Saffarids and Tahirids, then slowly declined with Buyids due to huge portion already are muslims and the illkhanate Mongols by that time majority of Iranians were Muslims. The fact that Arabs forced it is lie. In the Abbasid age, Most scholars of Islam were Persians, the theme of the Empire was Persian but language was Arabic. Even the Turks who came to dominate final period of Abbasid period adopted persian language and even spread it. Most Persians who make lies about Islam do it because of blind racism and wanting to appear more Europeans🤣
You need to educate yourself buddy
@soorenaildari8142 Well buddy!! Is that your response, what do you know about this topic. I wrote long sentence based my knowledge and research. I followed your comments, you are really dumb racist buddy other than Your race supremacist nazi attitude in your empty response with no knowledge in the topic except flexing your ancestors in racist supremacist manner who gave you your big nose where you do plastic surgery in tehran and isfahan to correct it for god knows how many toumans, then encourage your ugly hair female family members full plastic surgery to protest naked and engage in Haram activities. I have lived near beverly hills, in century city before to see how Pathetic Persians kaffirs proclaim they are Aryans and flex aryaness by dressing sluttier than regular Americans, in the end a Black dude put his big black🍆 in Cheap Persian 304s.
Its a mixture of both really. Forced conversion and voluntary conversion.
Also people wanting to go back to their traditional roots doesnt make them wannabe euros, though i understand what you mean with some.
The Umayyads did not despise anyone. Its really sad that you pour personal hatred into history. Its their empire and they can do whatever they want. In the same way Sasanianss regarded Arabs as second class citizens while they we’re literally based in an Arab land and surrounded by Arabian tribes. No need to look at history with narrow mindedness
في كل مرة ادخل مقطع يخص الحضارة الفارسية أجد الايرانيين في التعليقات يستمرون في الصراخ ضد العرب ، اعتقد انهم لا يتوقفون عن التفكير في العرب ، الحقد يحرق قلوبهم ، وفي المقابل يستمر العرب في عيش حياتهم ولا يفكرون ابدا بالإيرانيين ، كعربي أجد هذا الأمر مضحك حقا ، يعاني الايرانيون من عقدة نقص شديدة 🤣
چون اعراب توی تاریخ به ملخ خوردن و ادرار شتر خوردن معروف هستن😂
Why Persian uses the Arabic script ? The answer is Vae Victis.
Thank you 🙏
its like Germany ,UK,France,USA Adopted Lati alphabet
Latin alphabet is from Greece and Greece alphabet is from Phoenicians ( Lebanon civilization ) and Arabic has took it's alphabet from Aramaic ( Syrian civilization) and Aramaic has took it's alphabet from Canaan ( first civilization in Palestine) .
Adding letters in the Latin/Roman alphabets doesn't stop them from being Latin/Roman so I don't understand why simply adding few extra letters by basically adding extra dots to some existing letters the writing system will stop being Arabic. Calling modified Arabic script as Persian doesn't make sense, at best Perso-Arabic seems fine.
The correct question would be: Why Arabs use Persian alphabet ✅
No we don’t
Persian use Arabic Alphabet not Arab.why you hate Arab?
Stop being a revisionist
The earliest known use of the Arabic alphabet was by the Nabateans (ancient Arab tribe) in what is modern day Jordan.
The script isnt even arabic its Aramaic derived
Q: What does "Aliph + Reh + Daleh + Vaw" makes.
(hint: the most beautiful and poetic language, and I am a native.. lol)
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Not Arabic. Aramaic
Another example of script changes is the Norse languages, which had their own script, until Christianity came in a braught Roman script with it
Are you referring to the Runic alphabet or something else?
Why not, the Persian elite invented the Arabic identity and the mythical beginning of Arabs and Islam.
So why not use the tools for themselves?
Do you live in a fantasy world or do you prefer to make up lies? Arabs have had a long oral history with a plethora of poets and myths. The one thing Iranians did was to teach them how to run a kingly court/divan and make some grammatical rules for their language.
The grammatical rules were already in Arabic speakers because all the The poetry that was before Islam had the same rules that we use today. The rules were not created to be completely understood and written to make it easier for non-Arabs to learn Arabic. This is one of the most beautiful features of Arabic, that words go back thousands of years It can still be understood, even if there are incomprehensible terms
Nope they don’t Arabic existed since 900 ad
Ughhhhh you Iranian nationalists are the bane of my existance get a personality besides hating on Arabs and Islam, maybe realise we had a fun thing going on when we teamed up and that now we're never going to have peace in the middle east because of our Idiocy.
@@the3zoooz1 i can now bring you any Poetry from Isaiah Antarah Ibn Shaddad, who was born before the birth of the Prophet and it's understandable for arabs, BTW if Islam cam in 600 , you think people at that time were speaking what is Arabian peninsula
At the beginning of the emergence of the Aramaic alphabet, this happened in the borders of ancient Iran. And it is one of the things that the ancient Iranians made and presented to the world. In addition, the alphabets that we now know as the Arabic script were developed by the efforts of the Iranian scientist Borzouyeh and placed in the hands of the dear Arab-speaking people.
The Arabic alphabet originated with the Arabs, not the Persians
Urdu has also same alphabets like Persian and the script is same ,but totally a different language