"People claimed they only did the Dark Lord's bidding under the imperius curse. But how do we sort out the liars?" -The man who would drink veritaserum like 2 hours later in the movie.
In German I liked the translation more "3 drops and even the Dark Lord spills his darkest secrets" just to showcase how unapologetically powerful that stuff was.
imo it's way too dangerous considering the consequence of breaking an unbreakable vow is death. It can be shockingly easy to accidentally get something minor wrong or inaccurate under the pressure. Especially if witnesses were forced to take the vow. It's still a lie, but one they were completely innocent in telling. Not to mention threats and coercion, that could turn an innocent person into a tragedy on the stand. It has the same moral and reliability issues.
@@_maestro7168 they'd still be able to refuse to answer something, and they wouldn't trigger it if it was simply saying something they thought was true but wasn't. I think it'd be worth the risk to have testimony that isn't an outright lie. I'm sure there could be a better wording, and that could be an interesting plot point, someone figured out a loophole, and nobody can grasp that, because the vow is considered absolute.
@@_maestro7168I'm pretty sure that the vow causes an impulsion to follow the vow. Not to the point of being incapable, but enough that you can physically tell when you're not following it. You could also make the vow more detailed in order to negate some of the unintended effects
Another detail to consider is, Veritaserum compels one to speak what they _think_ is the truth. Too often Truth is skewed between what _is_ true and one _thinks_ is true. In the second book of Christopher Paolini's Inheritance Cycle, The Eldest, a character spoke to the main protagonist, telling him they were brothers, sharing the same mother and father. The protagonist initially disbelieved him until he repeated the same words in a mystical tongue known as The Ancient Language. In The Inheritance Cycle, the Ancient Language is the first and true language of the world, used not only as a means to wield magic but also to speak truly, becuz one cannot speak a lie in the Ancient Language itself. But in the third book, Brisingr, it turns out the hero and this other character are not full brothers after all, but half-brothers, born by the same mother. The reason the other character was able to tell the hero they shared the same father in the Ancient Language was becuz he _believed_ it to be true based on what evidence he'd been able to piece together. Since he spoke what he believed to be true in the Ancient Language he was able to. But the hero later learned from his mentors the identity of his real father and confirm his half-brother had been unknowingly wrong. In other words, Veritaserum can be dismissed based on the one who took it speaking what they believe is true even when it contrasts with actual facts... or else someone else (Fudge) thinks the one who took it (Crouch Jr) is deluded
Yeab but if you murder someone or if you are part of a group of people you know it to be true or not. Is not about asking someone if god exists or not. If you know something, you know it to be true or false. You're not asking someone if they belive something to be true
Why you over here just spewing one of the longer standing plot points of the inheritance cycle like it isn't a spoiler 🥲 coulda just pointed out how the elves in the book and in general lore don't lie, but find a way to twist the truth.
@@4thjulybd809 you also have to figure there are memory altering spells so not everything someone "knows" is the truth. Veritaserum would have about as much use as legilimency in determining the truth of something.
I always assumed using truth serum would be pointless. Sirius was tried in court for the murder of Peter Pettigrew, which at the time, he believed to be true. Even if they used truth serum, Sirius would have admitted to the murder of Peter (but not to the murder of the muggles and serving Voldemort) as he believed he was avenging for what happened to James and Lily. It wasn't until 12 years later, Sirius saw Peter (in rat form) with the Weasleys on the front page of the Daily Prophet that he realizes that he spent 12 years in Azkaban for nothing.
That is not entirely true. Sirius always knew that he didn't kill Pettigrew and those muggles. He would have used "Avada Kedavra" to kill him. That's how Sirius was able to stay relatively sane in Askaban. He wasn't guilty but he didn't feel innocent either.
@@MountainFisher Yeah, at that point in the first war, Barty Crouch was desperate to gain some ground against the death eaters and to show the public that the ministry will do what it takes to bring it to an end. He even authorised his aurors to use the killing curse. And in the case of Sirius, there were many eyewitnesses that saw him cornering Pettigrew and then an explosion, which killed a dozen muggles and Pettigrew was gone, all they could find of him was a finger. All while Sirius stood there in the middle of the street unscathed and laughing. Also Sirius gave his bike to Hagrid, saying he wouldn't need it anymore and he never disputed his guilt, because he felt responsible for the death of Lill and James. But there must have been at least a short hearing, because Dumbledore says to Harry that he had testified that Sirius was the Potter's secret keeper.
Another theory behind the serum is that if someone truly believes something is true because of missing context or out of deception, the "truth" they told is of course real, because from the time of the knoweldge being known, they believed it to be without opposition.
In a world where memories can be manipulated, you cannot trust Vertaserum unless you know it has given to those who cannot have prepared. As such it would be useless in court.
The same time we're introduced to this potion we are introduced to the concept that they can look into a person's wand and find out what their last spells were cast to be. Even if you're not having the same one core you can still see who cast what. That's what they should have been looking at instead of the convict because the wand has no rights it's just an object. Which is completely ignored apparently.
I agree with that, although I think the "Priori Incantatem" that they used at the World Cup could only show the very last spell cast, so you could mask your incriminating spell by quickly casting something else. Harry's twin core situation is unique in that sense as it would have shown every spell ever cast in reverse order had he been able to hold the connection longer.
@@LordTKII my understanding was that and the fourth book they found Harry's wand at quidditch world cup and were able to see that it cast the dark mark just by doing the spell to make it repeat what it had done last spell. So it does fall underneath that ability to recall the last spell it cast. Up to how many that's something I can't remember.
@@richewilson6394 Yes, that's right. We don't know the limitations of that spell. In the book it only repeats the dark mark, but we have no indication whether this is all the spell can do or if Amos Diggory intentionally just recalled the last spell. The Harry Potter Wiki differentiates between "Prior Incantato" the spell used by Amos Diggory at the world cup and "Priori Incantatem" which happens at the duel of the twin cores.
Using it in a court setting would also violate the right to not self-incriminate. There's also a significant different between empirical truth and personal truth. As an extreme example, if you were to give a flat-earther veritaserum and ask them if the world is flat, they would not be compelled to say that it's roughly spherical, they would speak what they believe to be true. If, for example, you gave it to someone who witnessed a murder that was actually a frame job, the witness would have no knowledge of the actual killer, only what they 'saw', and sight and personal experience are questionable and protean at the best of times.
Why they never used the locator spell on peter pettigrew finger to locate his supposedly "dead corspe"? Sick of people avoiding this question.. It would cleared up everything
Wixen really don't do logic. Why? Magic for example goes against gravity. Newton proved gravity exists after watching an apple fall. Magic rises an apple going against the law of gravity. It's only one idea but I really do think logic is not a wixen trait.
The ministry was under the mistaken impression that he was "Blown to Bits" by the explosion considering all they could find of him was a single fingle.
@@kaimagnus5760 I understand that: however this is the law enforcement aka "dark wizard catchers" called the auroras the best in the ministry. I believe Madam bones was the lead investigate at the time(Scimgor played by Bill Nighe became minister of magic after Cornelius Fudge) but he was a powerful auror back than too. Newt Scamander used the locator spell on a feather and it "ping" to Usef the brother to Leta Lestrange automatically. There's no under impression just use it once especially of you an officer of the law. Remember the saying "beyond a Shadow a doubt?" No way would I stand thinking Peter was dead dead "like Lost in the river of styx dead" unless I exhausted all the available resources I had ..
When everything points to a single thing you don’t think you need to verify. Also, keep in mind the Aurors had fighting a war against the Death Eaters. And at this very point let’s consider that Voldemort (public enemy number 1) had JUST died so I’m sure they were handling that, many Death Eaters were attempting to now escape including dozens turning themselves in and claiming to have been under the Imperius charm. Frank and Alice Longbottom had just been tortured to insanity, Mad Eye was currently chasing (forget who but the guy who took a chunk of his nose). And MOST IMPORTANTLY, even Dumbledore was saying Sirius was guilty. No one thought to question anything that happened in all that mayhem. Especially when you consider that dozens of muggles had to be round up and have their memories altered because of the explosion.
Just finished all the potter books for the first time ever and even tho I’ve been a potter head since young its the best thing I’ve ever done. I think I’ll give it a week or so before reading all the books again
@@elizabethmichaels3101 I don't think a fourth-year student could successfully do that. Even Slughorn failed at it. Harry knew immediately that something was wrong with the memory, even if he couldn't pinpoint the cause. Besides in order to use a memory as evidence, an expert would need to extract and analyze it. This task would likely fall to one of the "unspeakables" who specializes in studying memories in the brain room of the Department of Mysteries. However, the Ministry of Magic prefers to keep these studies confidential.
@@elizabethmichaels3101my guy didn’t even think to grab a letter on the floor, I don’t think he’s that bright outside of having hermione doing everything for him and Ron
Not only truth serum, but they had a spell that would reveal the last spell his wand performed. Then they’d know it wasn’t him that blew the muggle street up. There’s also the Penseive. They literally locked him up for 12 years without a fair trial. I was never happy with that plot line, far too weak!
When you've got the wrong person in jail for a crime that they didn't commit, that means you also have someone that is guilty as heck and dangerous out and about doing whatever they want and not being made to pay for what they did.
Good essay! About Sirius, he didn't attempt to prove his innocence in great part, i think, because he thought himself guilty of James and Lily's death. (Because he convinced them to make Pettigrew a secret keeper)
Plotholers: "I would be 100% rational and easy to comprehend if anything as drastic happened to me." Also plotholers: Craziest off the wall easily debunked takes when they're easily and comfortably resting on their armchair about some fake fantasy story written by someone whose accomplished much more than they ever will. Yeah. Sure, buddy.
Nah, this isn’t a plot hole. If you pay close attention to the books it’s very clear why he wasn’t given Veritaserum. The ministry had many witnesses confirming that Sirius killed Peter and betrayed the Potters, they had no reason to question the narrative. Hell, even Dumbledore testified that Sirius was the secret keeper. Barty Crouch threw his own son to the dementors and Sirius did not get a trial. Even without all of that, Veritaserum is less effective when somebody is expecting it to be given to them. I think this is so easily answered it cannot possibly be called a plot hole.
Most likely because of basic human rights. Forcing someone to imbibe a liquid should be considered a crime against humanity. If I'm not mistaken, Sirius was accepting the blame. Probably because he felt himself at fault for letting Peter be secret keeper. Then also failing in bringing him to justice or carrying out vengeance. But also, you can imagine that powerful potions like Felix Felicis and Veritaserum are very hard to keep in stock. And we know from Slughorn that Felix is very dangerous, potentially deadly to brew. So the same would likely hold true for a similarly powerful Veritaserum. Couple that with Sirius being delirious from grief then being denied redemption or vengeance by Peter's apparent suicide. It is quite obvious why they wouldn't waste valuable stock on a seemingly obvious case while they have much more high profile cases to weed through with Dark Wizards and their allies attempting to feign imperio control or some other type of coercion. With even Dumbledore, the Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot, providing testimony that Sirius acted as the Potter's secret keeper. Some Death Eaters might actually have used their final actions in Dark Service to specifically target potioneers capable of providing Veritaserum and destroying their entire stores. If that wasn't already a prime objective for Death Eaters already since they'd want the Ministry hard pressed to find spies and charge those who fall captive in some way. People sometimes understand that war is about supply lines but they might also forget that the enemy will try to disrupt those exact supply lines. "WELLL WAI DINT JK ROWLING JUs SED THA DEN?!?!?!?" Because that would be boring and an actually reasonable person would understand that that sort of thing happens regardless of whether or not it's shoved in their face by a boring narrative.
Remember there are always 3 sides to every story! Your side, their side, and the truth. All Veritaserum will do is get you to tell your side. Now ask any lawyer you want, the amount of clients that have told a lawyer "everything" is literally zero. If might help someone reveal their side, but a lawyer still has to build a case, and that is the hard work we are paying a lawyer for. So for ALL the work it takes to make Veritaserum, and the little amount of information you will get out of it... it's just not worth it!
Kind of wish you had included that quote at the beginning, would have laid some evidence down before the claims about occlumency and such. Still a good video though. :)
It's because Fudge didn't think it was necessary since he was the main witness. Besides, he didn't use it to see if Dumbledore was plotting against him after Voldemort's return or to investigate Harry's claims.
My assumption is its ridiculously difficult to both make,gather ingredients, and store. The only person we see who owns any is snape whos said to be one of the best potion makers. Even umbridge had to use snapes collection (which was likely the one bottle) when she could have realistically got some from the ministry due to her level and the ammount of traitors at that time. And unlike slughorn showing off the luck potion which is considerd one of the hardest potions to make he has no problem giving a bottle to a student where as snape had the truth potion well hidden and clearly an old creation of his.while the luck potion seemed to be made fresh just for the challenge slughorn does.
A loophole I’ve always thought of was that since Snape was a double agent and dumbledore even though that Sirius was the Potters secret keeper why didn’t Snape tell dumbledore that Pettigrew was working for Voldemort
polygraph machine's creator said it didnt work as intended as well. its more of a scare tactic, if you think it works, it might work to get you to confess on your own etc
HPT assumes a lot of legalities in this video, we know the ministry doesn't follow the same laws as the UK, the ministry of magic could even use presumption of guilt, aka guilty until proven innocent
Its usage would be constitutionally opposed to the accused person's rights,which is the main reason that it is not utilized of course. Thank God Democracy which origins from the very Ancient Greece 🇬🇷 is followed even in the Wizarding world.
Isn’t it demonstrably true that veritaserum is less effective when somebody is expecting it? Furthermore, the ministry had many witnesses who supported Peter’s story and Sirius admits that Peter got the best of him. They had no reason to challenge the narrative. Barty Crouch gave his own son to the dementors and Sirius didn’t even get a trial. I think we all understand what happened here and there is no plot hole.
Let's also not forget what Obi-Wan Kenobi said: it was the truth from a certain point of view. The one given the truth serum might believe something to be true and give a false statement. That means that it would be assumed that whatever was said to be true and half-truths specifically extracted. Then the malicious actor could simply claim that because it was said under the effect then it's unquestionable.
I think it was a mistake to introduce the veritas serum in the first place. JKR could have dealt with all plot points in more elegant ways, either with legilimency and imperius spells or classic deduction.
To add on to what others have said in the comment section, another reason Veritaserum is unreliable is because memory is unreliable. People have this notion that memory is like a film reel where memory is this long continuous image but memory isn't that. It's very fragmented and subject to the environment. Age can effect memory. Trauma can effect memory. Even smell can effect memory. Scientist don't even know how memory works exactly. A person could be telling you what they think is the truth and it not be. This is one reason why in the Muggle world, there are statutes of limitations for certain crimes. Twenty, thirty, fifty years after a crime, the likelihood that someone's memory is accurate is low. Even if it is a horrible experience and think they remember the event clear as day, the truth is that they don't. There are gaps in our memory and the brain, in order to make sense of something, fills in those gaps. This is why it is dangerous to have someone testify under oath decades after something. The person may think they are telling the truth but it really isn't the truth. The way I look at it, in order for Veritaserum to work, it would have to be administered under almost perfect conditions and, unfortunately, those conditions rarely exist.
My thoughts, besides what the suspect perceives as truth, is what I believe to be a commonly overlooked fact of the wizarding world: shelf life Many potions are very difficult to brew, often being produced at a time when they're needed, as opposed to having ready-made stocks available. What most forget is that consumable products can't be stored for long periods of time without deteriorating, and the world of Harry Potter doesn't mention vials or flasks being enchanted with any long-term storage protections. Thanks to the lack of refrigeration and storage, I'd say that it's a rather difficult task to maintain any long term stocks of many potions that would otherwise be useful to the magical community.
Don't think it was mentioned, although I suppose touched on in this video. What if you used it on someone to ask a queston where they believed the answer they had was the truth?
I wouuld think they didn't use it on death eaters because they didn't want to believe there were more. Also the collapse of the wizardly economy with the top houses being ruined.
I'd figure that was flat-out obvious with Sirius Black. There were witnesses to the attack. And using it on death eaters wouldn't do much, considering the death eaters were even hidden from each other. Voldemort was the only one who knew all the death eaters. Honestly, the fact that Sirius black didn't have the dark mark on his arm should've told the ministry something if he was supposedly a death eater. But actions speak louder than words. Plus he was an unregistered animagus, so that wouldn't have helped Sirius's case. Plus due to everything that happened with Pettigrew, if he had said Pettigrew could become a rat, most would think a rat couldn't have survived that attack, plus he cut his finger off as a safety measure. So kind of a catch 22 with Sirius black.
Same reason people rarley made viruses for apple phones in the early years. Not enough people used them to make it worth their time. If you started relying on the truth syrum too much, dark wizards would start investing more time in finding ways to trick it.
Veritaserum would have also come in handy when Death Eaters like Lucius Malfoy faked being under the imperious curse to get out of Azkaban during the First War. If I remember correctly, it's not even mentioned until GOF, when it ends up being needed to find out Barty Crouch jr’s story, and Fudge doesn't even believe most of what he said, thinks he was just mad when speaking of working for Voldemort. It's like the time turner in POA, it's only ever used then. It's like JK invented things to solve stuff in a certain book, and only that book, and then later comes up with reasons of why it's never used again.
Porque o Sirius sempre foi um bode expiatório político, quando aconteceu que o Pettigrew simulou a própria morte e matou mais 13 pessoas, ninguém queria arriscar se era ou não um comensal da morte. É isso: o ministerio da magia precisava mostrar serviço. Infelizmente é o que mais acontece até hoje, em qualquer lugar do mundo. RIP Sirius.
i dont know if you already did this but i think this is a plot hole in the series and is about snape since he is a double agent why didnt he tell dumbledore that peter pettigrew was working with Tom riddle
@@deanthomas1873I could be wrong but I recall Snape telling Umbridge that they used the last of the serum on Miss edgecombe when umbrage was trying to use it for Harry
@bibbaaah No, in the movies, it was Cho Chang who betrayed the Dumbledore's Army due to being drugged by Vertiserum. In the books, it was Marietta Edgecombe who willingly sold me and the rest of the Dumbledore's Army out because she was extremely jealous of Harry and was afraid of Cho getting back with him after she read the article of the quibbler about what happened to Cedric on the night of the third task of Triwizard Tournament.
@@bibbaaah When she wanted to use it on Harry, Snape did tell Umbridge that she used up his entire supply of veritaserum. Then she wanted Snape to make more. Snape responded to her that it would take a full lunar cycle to brew another batch of it.
"But, but... Sirius' rights?!" "Mr. Potter, during this much more civilized time of peace we hereby sentence you for all-the-heck for showing your wand to your brother without pretty much any trial and definitely with no legal aid for your underaged ars... Oh, hi Dumbledore, funny to see you here." "The serum is useless if someone can prepare for it." "Yes, I, the undercover agent going against the only person my Dark Lord ever feared, prepared cuck all to the very likely scenario where I would be interrogated by people who totes respect my rights. So it's obvious a person casting fireball on his friend would be way more prepared. Also these never really proven counter-measures totes exist, but any method to draft or detect them do not! Not like Dumbledore could tell Sludge's memories were tampered with as we... Oh, right..." "But the serum is super-rare and Deatheaters totes would have all of it destroyed and the makers killed and many, many other counter-measures instead of utilizing it themselves!" "Ha! We caught the fake-Moody! Snape, turn the bottle upside down into his throat and see it spills everywhere! Don't even bother making sure he gets what... Three drops was it that was enough?! (Didn't read the books anymore to that point, but I doubt they "administered" the super difficult and crazy rare potion any better in the book either...)" "You would need an expert to create and admistrate it (despite administration probably never having been mentioned to be truly an issue...) and even though Hogwarts had two such people teaching it simultaniously even, Ministery of Magic doesn't have that sort of resources to spend! Especially on war criminals from the worst wizarding war Britain had ever faced by then who almost gave away whole wizarding world to muggles in a very public display of violence that mostly affected said muggles!! But threatening it on schoolkids is okay." "But your reason are stupid and I really like these books, so you're just stupid!" "You'd be surprised how often people say this 'truth' when faced with anything that's considered a flaw in their fandom..." "Have you seen how much money Rowling makes?! That's the truth!" "Yes, and Taco Bell sells as much food as colon cleanups and people still buy and like them despite the flaws. Don't mean the flaws aren't there." Lets just face it that it is a flaw and the more mundane or wondrous the reasons one could come up with why it wasn't such, the same can be done right back for why it is. For example, someone very skilled with occulmancy? Yeah. So the whole of Ministery couldn't hire anyone else skilled on it to anyway verify that was such methods being used to fight the serum? No potioneers skilled enough to know what could be done against it and what to do against counter-measures? And it's not like a person could really deceive the potion itself (or the magic really isn't what it's advertised to being), one can only deceive themselves.
In the case of dumping the whole bottle into Crouch's mouth, it was a way to force him to swallow. You can avoid three drops, it's much harder to keep a mouthful of potion from going down when your head is tilted back and you're being held by the neck in a struggle. His choices were either to swallow or gag
@@dreamcream3738 Very on point. But considerin how much number is made on how rare and hard to come by the potion is and how extremely measured Snape is with such... If he had thought it so valuable, he would have at least forced the bottle in his mouth, not to waste any, but more precisely he would have given it mixed (in heavy dose, but still) to something else. "But Crouch could have done something while he did that", I could see someone asking. To be specific again, if it was in his power to do something, he could have done it after the potion was given too. The potion made you speak true, nothing more. It didn't (to my knowledge) paralyze you or hinder you otherwise. And we had Dumbledore on him at wand-point. In short. If it was such near-prizeless elixir, Snape would not have wasted it. Even in (and more so precisely in) that situation. Dumbledore was always levelheaded, but Snape even more so. ×edit× Would be really interesting to know how it was in the book, Dumbledore calmly wondered...
@@Velgar_Grim I don't think it's rarity is intrinsic due to limited supply, but rather the time it takes to make it. What we do know is that it is, by Snape's commentary, incredibly tedious to prepare; taking one lunar phase to actually brew. Then again, he was telling this detail to Umbridge, so we cannot say for certain that he was even being truthful here. If we take him at face value, all it truly means is that *making* the potion takes about a month. For the Potions Master, the Half Blood Prince, brewing the stuff may be relatively simple, it just takes a long time, so to have it reliably on hand means that he'd have to make it in advance. Nothing was ever said about the scarcity of the ingredients. Also to note, in the book, Dumbledore shook three drops. The film adaptation poured the bottle for the sake of emphasizing the action.
@@dreamcream3738 Figured something of note might be the case. It's just these videos are always making the case for it being something rare or really hard to comeby. And especially for the Ministery of Magic of all things. I can understand that they wouldn't want to use it on pretty much everybody, but not to use it at all is wild. Sure when you just want a quick case like Potter's, then the system itself is just biased. But for even Dumbledore to accept the Sirius' case without any demands for further proof, nor testing? Really? I really think the theory of him wanting Sirius handely out of the way might have some merit...
@@Velgar_Grim a major theme of the books is how inefficient, corrupt and inept the government can be. Dolores Umbridge, for example, was a pastiche of Margaret Thatcher. The ministry regulates the use of the truth serum due to the dangerous potential of it. Technically speaking, Dumbledore using it was illegal. Umbridge using it While I like a good theory as much as the next person; This channel's videos tend to neglect the context of the supposed rarity of Veritaserum. What we know for certain; Professor Snape said that the potion takes a lunar phase to *mature*. This wording is very interesting, as this indicates that the length of time is mostly just *waiting* for it to be truly ready, much like when you are making your own wine. That, and Professor Slughorn expects 7th year students to be able to produce it, as it's N.E.W.T level stuff. Dumbledore believing Sirius was guilty is something reasonable, because he was not privy to the fact that Wormtail was the real secret keeper, and the evidence did point against Sirius. It also highlights that Dumbledore is not infallible. Before then, Harry saw him as this almost omniscient, sage-like figure. So to show that Dumbledore can be wrong, and grossly so, would serve to show him as more human.
Hooo boy that was a good video. However that image showing during the Lie Detector bit...couldnt stop staring at the hands. Why cant AI get those right lmao
Answer JK Rowling is not the greatest of authors. Don't get me wrong - I like the books but there's so many plot holes and errors that occurred because of a lack of planning and attention to detail. Where are you getting this information from, none of this is in the books.
Because plotholes 😂😂😂😂 I LOVE harry Potter, but I'm sorry to tell you that JK Rowling is not the best author of the world. The best example is including the cursed child as canon. I still love the series tho
"People claimed they only did the Dark Lord's bidding under the imperius curse. But how do we sort out the liars?"
-The man who would drink veritaserum like 2 hours later in the movie.
In German I liked the translation more "3 drops and even the Dark Lord spills his darkest secrets" just to showcase how unapologetically powerful that stuff was.
Why didn't they force people to take an unbreakable vow when giving testimony? Speak no lie whilst on the stand or something.
imo it's way too dangerous considering the consequence of breaking an unbreakable vow is death. It can be shockingly easy to accidentally get something minor wrong or inaccurate under the pressure. Especially if witnesses were forced to take the vow. It's still a lie, but one they were completely innocent in telling.
Not to mention threats and coercion, that could turn an innocent person into a tragedy on the stand. It has the same moral and reliability issues.
@@_maestro7168 they'd still be able to refuse to answer something, and they wouldn't trigger it if it was simply saying something they thought was true but wasn't. I think it'd be worth the risk to have testimony that isn't an outright lie. I'm sure there could be a better wording, and that could be an interesting plot point, someone figured out a loophole, and nobody can grasp that, because the vow is considered absolute.
@@_maestro7168Being *incorrect* isn't the same as being *dishonest*.
@@_maestro7168I'm pretty sure that the vow causes an impulsion to follow the vow. Not to the point of being incapable, but enough that you can physically tell when you're not following it. You could also make the vow more detailed in order to negate some of the unintended effects
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Another detail to consider is, Veritaserum compels one to speak what they _think_ is the truth. Too often Truth is skewed between what _is_ true and one _thinks_ is true.
In the second book of Christopher Paolini's Inheritance Cycle, The Eldest, a character spoke to the main protagonist, telling him they were brothers, sharing the same mother and father. The protagonist initially disbelieved him until he repeated the same words in a mystical tongue known as The Ancient Language.
In The Inheritance Cycle, the Ancient Language is the first and true language of the world, used not only as a means to wield magic but also to speak truly, becuz one cannot speak a lie in the Ancient Language itself.
But in the third book, Brisingr, it turns out the hero and this other character are not full brothers after all, but half-brothers, born by the same mother. The reason the other character was able to tell the hero they shared the same father in the Ancient Language was becuz he _believed_ it to be true based on what evidence he'd been able to piece together.
Since he spoke what he believed to be true in the Ancient Language he was able to.
But the hero later learned from his mentors the identity of his real father and confirm his half-brother had been unknowingly wrong.
In other words, Veritaserum can be dismissed based on the one who took it speaking what they believe is true even when it contrasts with actual facts... or else someone else (Fudge) thinks the one who took it (Crouch Jr) is deluded
Yeab but if you murder someone or if you are part of a group of people you know it to be true or not. Is not about asking someone if god exists or not. If you know something, you know it to be true or false. You're not asking someone if they belive something to be true
Why you over here just spewing one of the longer standing plot points of the inheritance cycle like it isn't a spoiler 🥲 coulda just pointed out how the elves in the book and in general lore don't lie, but find a way to twist the truth.
@@4thjulybd809 you also have to figure there are memory altering spells so not everything someone "knows" is the truth. Veritaserum would have about as much use as legilimency in determining the truth of something.
Tanks for using that particular example. Also my go to example. I feel showing the memories would work in tandem with veritaserum would work
I always assumed using truth serum would be pointless. Sirius was tried in court for the murder of Peter Pettigrew, which at the time, he believed to be true. Even if they used truth serum, Sirius would have admitted to the murder of Peter (but not to the murder of the muggles and serving Voldemort) as he believed he was avenging for what happened to James and Lily.
It wasn't until 12 years later, Sirius saw Peter (in rat form) with the Weasleys on the front page of the Daily Prophet that he realizes that he spent 12 years in Azkaban for nothing.
That is not entirely true. Sirius always knew that he didn't kill Pettigrew and those muggles. He would have used "Avada Kedavra" to kill him. That's how Sirius was able to stay relatively sane in Askaban. He wasn't guilty but he didn't feel innocent either.
@LordTKII and besides, they could have asked him if he worked for Voldemort or did he betray the Potters to try to narrow down the results
Sirius was never tried, Barty Crouch threw him directly into Azkaban without a trial. Read GOF Padfoot Returns chapter.
@@MountainFisher Yeah, at that point in the first war, Barty Crouch was desperate to gain some ground against the death eaters and to show the public that the ministry will do what it takes to bring it to an end. He even authorised his aurors to use the killing curse.
And in the case of Sirius, there were many eyewitnesses that saw him cornering Pettigrew and then an explosion, which killed a dozen muggles and Pettigrew was gone, all they could find of him was a finger. All while Sirius stood there in the middle of the street unscathed and laughing. Also Sirius gave his bike to Hagrid, saying he wouldn't need it anymore and he never disputed his guilt, because he felt responsible for the death of Lill and James.
But there must have been at least a short hearing, because Dumbledore says to Harry that he had testified that Sirius was the Potter's secret keeper.
Another theory behind the serum is that if someone truly believes something is true because of missing context or out of deception, the "truth" they told is of course real, because from the time of the knoweldge being known, they believed it to be without opposition.
In a world where memories can be manipulated, you cannot trust Vertaserum unless you know it has given to those who cannot have prepared. As such it would be useless in court.
The same time we're introduced to this potion we are introduced to the concept that they can look into a person's wand and find out what their last spells were cast to be. Even if you're not having the same one core you can still see who cast what. That's what they should have been looking at instead of the convict because the wand has no rights it's just an object.
Which is completely ignored apparently.
I agree with that, although I think the "Priori Incantatem" that they used at the World Cup could only show the very last spell cast, so you could mask your incriminating spell by quickly casting something else.
Harry's twin core situation is unique in that sense as it would have shown every spell ever cast in reverse order had he been able to hold the connection longer.
@@LordTKII my understanding was that and the fourth book they found Harry's wand at quidditch world cup and were able to see that it cast the dark mark just by doing the spell to make it repeat what it had done last spell. So it does fall underneath that ability to recall the last spell it cast. Up to how many that's something I can't remember.
@@richewilson6394 Yes, that's right. We don't know the limitations of that spell. In the book it only repeats the dark mark, but we have no indication whether this is all the spell can do or if Amos Diggory intentionally just recalled the last spell.
The Harry Potter Wiki differentiates between "Prior Incantato" the spell used by Amos Diggory at the world cup and "Priori Incantatem" which happens at the duel of the twin cores.
Using it in a court setting would also violate the right to not self-incriminate.
There's also a significant different between empirical truth and personal truth. As an extreme example, if you were to give a flat-earther veritaserum and ask them if the world is flat, they would not be compelled to say that it's roughly spherical, they would speak what they believe to be true. If, for example, you gave it to someone who witnessed a murder that was actually a frame job, the witness would have no knowledge of the actual killer, only what they 'saw', and sight and personal experience are questionable and protean at the best of times.
Why they never used the locator spell on peter pettigrew finger to locate his supposedly "dead corspe"? Sick of people avoiding this question.. It would cleared up everything
Wixen really don't do logic. Why? Magic for example goes against gravity. Newton proved gravity exists after watching an apple fall. Magic rises an apple going against the law of gravity. It's only one idea but I really do think logic is not a wixen trait.
The ministry was under the mistaken impression that he was "Blown to Bits" by the explosion considering all they could find of him was a single fingle.
@@kaimagnus5760 I understand that: however this is the law enforcement aka "dark wizard catchers" called the auroras the best in the ministry. I believe Madam bones was the lead investigate at the time(Scimgor played by Bill Nighe became minister of magic after Cornelius Fudge) but he was a powerful auror back than too.
Newt Scamander used the locator spell on a feather and it "ping" to Usef the brother to Leta Lestrange automatically. There's no under impression just use it once especially of you an officer of the law. Remember the saying "beyond a Shadow a doubt?" No way would I stand thinking Peter was dead dead "like Lost in the river of styx dead" unless I exhausted all the available resources I had ..
@@jebVlogs556 You think just because they're Magic Cops that there aren't lazy ones that just want the case closed like there are IRL?
When everything points to a single thing you don’t think you need to verify. Also, keep in mind the Aurors had fighting a war against the Death Eaters. And at this very point let’s consider that Voldemort (public enemy number 1) had JUST died so I’m sure they were handling that, many Death Eaters were attempting to now escape including dozens turning themselves in and claiming to have been under the Imperius charm. Frank and Alice Longbottom had just been tortured to insanity, Mad Eye was currently chasing (forget who but the guy who took a chunk of his nose). And MOST IMPORTANTLY, even Dumbledore was saying Sirius was guilty. No one thought to question anything that happened in all that mayhem. Especially when you consider that dozens of muggles had to be round up and have their memories altered because of the explosion.
Dumbledore knew Sirius Black was innocent. He just wanted him gone so Harry can be surrounded by his own blood for protection.
Just finished all the potter books for the first time ever and even tho I’ve been a potter head since young its the best thing I’ve ever done. I think I’ll give it a week or so before reading all the books again
Why didn't they just take Harry Potter's memory to a Pensive?
Half blood prince
You can literally fake pensive memories.
@@elizabethmichaels3101 I don't think a fourth-year student could successfully do that. Even Slughorn failed at it. Harry knew immediately that something was wrong with the memory, even if he couldn't pinpoint the cause.
Besides in order to use a memory as evidence, an expert would need to extract and analyze it. This task would likely fall to one of the "unspeakables" who specializes in studying memories in the brain room of the Department of Mysteries. However, the Ministry of Magic prefers to keep these studies confidential.
@@elizabethmichaels3101my guy didn’t even think to grab a letter on the floor, I don’t think he’s that bright outside of having hermione doing everything for him and Ron
Not only truth serum, but they had a spell that would reveal the last spell his wand performed. Then they’d know it wasn’t him that blew the muggle street up. There’s also the Penseive. They literally locked him up for 12 years without a fair trial. I was never happy with that plot line, far too weak!
When you've got the wrong person in jail for a crime that they didn't commit, that means you also have someone that is guilty as heck and dangerous out and about doing whatever they want and not being made to pay for what they did.
Because they didn't want to know the truth.
Good essay! About Sirius, he didn't attempt to prove his innocence in great part, i think, because he thought himself guilty of James and Lily's death. (Because he convinced them to make Pettigrew a secret keeper)
My thoughts exactly.
Ah yes, plothole number 264.876 😄
Plotholers: "I would be 100% rational and easy to comprehend if anything as drastic happened to me."
Also plotholers: Craziest off the wall easily debunked takes when they're easily and comfortably resting on their armchair about some fake fantasy story written by someone whose accomplished much more than they ever will.
Yeah. Sure, buddy.
I mean, it's a children's series believe it or not, not a documentary. 😅
@@ernielastname4141doesn’t mean it’s not chock full of plot holes
Nah, this isn’t a plot hole. If you pay close attention to the books it’s very clear why he wasn’t given Veritaserum. The ministry had many witnesses confirming that Sirius killed Peter and betrayed the Potters, they had no reason to question the narrative. Hell, even Dumbledore testified that Sirius was the secret keeper. Barty Crouch threw his own son to the dementors and Sirius did not get a trial. Even without all of that, Veritaserum is less effective when somebody is expecting it to be given to them. I think this is so easily answered it cannot possibly be called a plot hole.
@@somersault1123 its a children series...it has LOTS of plotholes
Most likely because of basic human rights. Forcing someone to imbibe a liquid should be considered a crime against humanity. If I'm not mistaken, Sirius was accepting the blame. Probably because he felt himself at fault for letting Peter be secret keeper. Then also failing in bringing him to justice or carrying out vengeance.
But also, you can imagine that powerful potions like Felix Felicis and Veritaserum are very hard to keep in stock. And we know from Slughorn that Felix is very dangerous, potentially deadly to brew. So the same would likely hold true for a similarly powerful Veritaserum.
Couple that with Sirius being delirious from grief then being denied redemption or vengeance by Peter's apparent suicide. It is quite obvious why they wouldn't waste valuable stock on a seemingly obvious case while they have much more high profile cases to weed through with Dark Wizards and their allies attempting to feign imperio control or some other type of coercion. With even Dumbledore, the Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot, providing testimony that Sirius acted as the Potter's secret keeper.
Some Death Eaters might actually have used their final actions in Dark Service to specifically target potioneers capable of providing Veritaserum and destroying their entire stores. If that wasn't already a prime objective for Death Eaters already since they'd want the Ministry hard pressed to find spies and charge those who fall captive in some way. People sometimes understand that war is about supply lines but they might also forget that the enemy will try to disrupt those exact supply lines.
"WELLL WAI DINT JK ROWLING JUs SED THA DEN?!?!?!?" Because that would be boring and an actually reasonable person would understand that that sort of thing happens regardless of whether or not it's shoved in their face by a boring narrative.
Remember there are always 3 sides to every story!
Your side, their side, and the truth. All Veritaserum will do is get you to tell your side.
Now ask any lawyer you want, the amount of clients that have told a lawyer "everything" is literally zero. If might help someone reveal their side, but a lawyer still has to build a case, and that is the hard work we are paying a lawyer for.
So for ALL the work it takes to make Veritaserum, and the little amount of information you will get out of it... it's just not worth it!
Kind of wish you had included that quote at the beginning, would have laid some evidence down before the claims about occlumency and such. Still a good video though. :)
It's because Fudge didn't think it was necessary since he was the main witness. Besides, he didn't use it to see if Dumbledore was plotting against him after Voldemort's return or to investigate Harry's claims.
My assumption is its ridiculously difficult to both make,gather ingredients, and store. The only person we see who owns any is snape whos said to be one of the best potion makers. Even umbridge had to use snapes collection (which was likely the one bottle) when she could have realistically got some from the ministry due to her level and the ammount of traitors at that time. And unlike slughorn showing off the luck potion which is considerd one of the hardest potions to make he has no problem giving a bottle to a student where as snape had the truth potion well hidden and clearly an old creation of his.while the luck potion seemed to be made fresh just for the challenge slughorn does.
Was Umbridge's use of the potion on Cho Chang only in the film? It's been a while since I read the books, so I don't remember.
Yes, it was film only. Marietta Edgecombe was the one who snitched in order to save her mother's job in the ministry
It was. In the book, it was Cho's friend Marietta Edgecombe who snitched to Umbridge.
A loophole I’ve always thought of was that since Snape was a double agent and dumbledore even though that Sirius was the Potters secret keeper why didn’t Snape tell dumbledore that Pettigrew was working for Voldemort
Snape didn't know Pettigrew was Voldemort's spy
My theory is Sirius worked for Macusa, explaining where they were the whole time.
I believe there's an antidote to veritaserum. Professor Dumbledore mentioned it while telling Harry about getting a memory from Professor Slughorn.
It wouldn't hold up in court. Can be faked and fooled by a trained wizard or someone manipulated by a trained wizard.
polygraph machine's creator said it didnt work as intended as well. its more of a scare tactic, if you think it works, it might work to get you to confess on your own etc
They should have pulled a memory out of:
Sirius
Crouch Jr.
Scabbers. (JK)
Cause that would not fit the ministry's narretive.
HPT assumes a lot of legalities in this video, we know the ministry doesn't follow the same laws as the UK, the ministry of magic could even use presumption of guilt, aka guilty until proven innocent
Its usage would be constitutionally opposed to the accused person's rights,which is the main reason that it is not utilized of course. Thank God Democracy which origins from the very Ancient Greece 🇬🇷 is followed even in the Wizarding world.
Isn’t it demonstrably true that veritaserum is less effective when somebody is expecting it? Furthermore, the ministry had many witnesses who supported Peter’s story and Sirius admits that Peter got the best of him. They had no reason to challenge the narrative. Barty Crouch gave his own son to the dementors and Sirius didn’t even get a trial. I think we all understand what happened here and there is no plot hole.
Let's also not forget what Obi-Wan Kenobi said: it was the truth from a certain point of view. The one given the truth serum might believe something to be true and give a false statement. That means that it would be assumed that whatever was said to be true and half-truths specifically extracted. Then the malicious actor could simply claim that because it was said under the effect then it's unquestionable.
Simple. Barty Crouch was an arrogant fool who thought trials were wastes of time. Sirius never got to defend himself, period.
The truth can be situational.
I think it was a mistake to introduce the veritas serum in the first place. JKR could have dealt with all plot points in more elegant ways, either with legilimency and imperius spells or classic deduction.
To add on to what others have said in the comment section, another reason Veritaserum is unreliable is because memory is unreliable. People have this notion that memory is like a film reel where memory is this long continuous image but memory isn't that. It's very fragmented and subject to the environment. Age can effect memory. Trauma can effect memory. Even smell can effect memory. Scientist don't even know how memory works exactly. A person could be telling you what they think is the truth and it not be. This is one reason why in the Muggle world, there are statutes of limitations for certain crimes. Twenty, thirty, fifty years after a crime, the likelihood that someone's memory is accurate is low. Even if it is a horrible experience and think they remember the event clear as day, the truth is that they don't. There are gaps in our memory and the brain, in order to make sense of something, fills in those gaps. This is why it is dangerous to have someone testify under oath decades after something. The person may think they are telling the truth but it really isn't the truth. The way I look at it, in order for Veritaserum to work, it would have to be administered under almost perfect conditions and, unfortunately, those conditions rarely exist.
My thoughts, besides what the suspect perceives as truth, is what I believe to be a commonly overlooked fact of the wizarding world: shelf life
Many potions are very difficult to brew, often being produced at a time when they're needed, as opposed to having ready-made stocks available. What most forget is that consumable products can't be stored for long periods of time without deteriorating, and the world of Harry Potter doesn't mention vials or flasks being enchanted with any long-term storage protections.
Thanks to the lack of refrigeration and storage, I'd say that it's a rather difficult task to maintain any long term stocks of many potions that would otherwise be useful to the magical community.
Don't think it was mentioned, although I suppose touched on in this video. What if you used it on someone to ask a queston where they believed the answer they had was the truth?
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I wouuld think they didn't use it on death eaters because they didn't want to believe there were more. Also the collapse of the wizardly economy with the top houses being ruined.
I'd figure that was flat-out obvious with Sirius Black. There were witnesses to the attack. And using it on death eaters wouldn't do much, considering the death eaters were even hidden from each other. Voldemort was the only one who knew all the death eaters. Honestly, the fact that Sirius black didn't have the dark mark on his arm should've told the ministry something if he was supposedly a death eater. But actions speak louder than words. Plus he was an unregistered animagus, so that wouldn't have helped Sirius's case. Plus due to everything that happened with Pettigrew, if he had said Pettigrew could become a rat, most would think a rat couldn't have survived that attack, plus he cut his finger off as a safety measure. So kind of a catch 22 with Sirius black.
Same reason people rarley made viruses for apple phones in the early years. Not enough people used them to make it worth their time. If you started relying on the truth syrum too much, dark wizards would start investing more time in finding ways to trick it.
Because there wouldn't be a prisoner of azkaban then. 😅
The AI picture with so so many fingers...
4:38 😄
Veritaserum would have also come in handy when Death Eaters like Lucius Malfoy faked being under the imperious curse to get out of Azkaban during the First War. If I remember correctly, it's not even mentioned until GOF, when it ends up being needed to find out Barty Crouch jr’s story, and Fudge doesn't even believe most of what he said, thinks he was just mad when speaking of working for Voldemort. It's like the time turner in POA, it's only ever used then. It's like JK invented things to solve stuff in a certain book, and only that book, and then later comes up with reasons of why it's never used again.
Deus ex machina as defined on TV Tropes.
Porque o Sirius sempre foi um bode expiatório político, quando aconteceu que o Pettigrew simulou a própria morte e matou mais 13 pessoas, ninguém queria arriscar se era ou não um comensal da morte. É isso: o ministerio da magia precisava mostrar serviço.
Infelizmente é o que mais acontece até hoje, em qualquer lugar do mundo.
RIP Sirius.
So we're just going to ignore the hands at 4:41 lol
i dont know if you already did this but i think this is a plot hole in the series and is about snape since he is a double agent why didnt he tell dumbledore that peter pettigrew was working with Tom riddle
Have there ever been any cases in history where a witch or wizard used Avada Kedavra (a.k.a. the Killing Curse) to commit suicide?
If you took it while under the imperius curse what wins?
Awesome as always thanks ❤
Veritaserum is iuseful if you already know that someone is lying and you have a general idea.. what about. You cant check if an antidote is at work
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Because people have rights, memories can be tempered with, potions have side effects, you just need more evidence then a memory.
I once had someone on Facebook REPEATEDLY insist that this was a plot hole despite me explaining why it isn't!
Oh sorry Voldemort , im still under effect of the Antidote, i need to be safe from Dumbledore inquiering on me
Umbridge uses all of Professor Snape's stock of Veritseram on the DA member s!!!
Magic being what it is, how could the wrong person ever be imprisoned?
That is true
That will evolve actually doing your job
The real reason: because using a skeleton key to open every door isn't good reading.
Honestly the see would have convinced the ministry that what happened actually happened.
By the way, the Polygraph was invented by the same guy who invented Wonder Woman.
Did umbridge not use it on cho too
I think Umbridge used Veritaserum on Cho's friend to get her to spill about Dumbledores Army in book 5.
Nope, Edgecombe willing sold the Dumbledore's Army.
@@deanthomas1873I could be wrong but I recall Snape telling Umbridge that they used the last of the serum on Miss edgecombe when umbrage was trying to use it for Harry
@bibbaaah No, in the movies, it was Cho Chang who betrayed the Dumbledore's Army due to being drugged by Vertiserum. In the books, it was Marietta Edgecombe who willingly sold me and the rest of the Dumbledore's Army out because she was extremely jealous of Harry and was afraid of Cho getting back with him after she read the article of the quibbler about what happened to Cedric on the night of the third task of Triwizard Tournament.
@@deanthomas1873 Oh you are definitely right. I'm sorry. The movies versus book differences mess me up 🥴😅
@@bibbaaah When she wanted to use it on Harry, Snape did tell Umbridge that she used up his entire supply of veritaserum. Then she wanted Snape to make more. Snape responded to her that it would take a full lunar cycle to brew another batch of it.
I'd imagine that using it would be like using an illegal curse.
They didn’t want to know the truth!
"YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!"
I expect the truth!!
"But, but... Sirius' rights?!"
"Mr. Potter, during this much more civilized time of peace we hereby sentence you for all-the-heck for showing your wand to your brother without pretty much any trial and definitely with no legal aid for your underaged ars... Oh, hi Dumbledore, funny to see you here."
"The serum is useless if someone can prepare for it."
"Yes, I, the undercover agent going against the only person my Dark Lord ever feared, prepared cuck all to the very likely scenario where I would be interrogated by people who totes respect my rights. So it's obvious a person casting fireball on his friend would be way more prepared. Also these never really proven counter-measures totes exist, but any method to draft or detect them do not! Not like Dumbledore could tell Sludge's memories were tampered with as we... Oh, right..."
"But the serum is super-rare and Deatheaters totes would have all of it destroyed and the makers killed and many, many other counter-measures instead of utilizing it themselves!"
"Ha! We caught the fake-Moody! Snape, turn the bottle upside down into his throat and see it spills everywhere! Don't even bother making sure he gets what... Three drops was it that was enough?! (Didn't read the books anymore to that point, but I doubt they "administered" the super difficult and crazy rare potion any better in the book either...)"
"You would need an expert to create and admistrate it (despite administration probably never having been mentioned to be truly an issue...) and even though Hogwarts had two such people teaching it simultaniously even, Ministery of Magic doesn't have that sort of resources to spend! Especially on war criminals from the worst wizarding war Britain had ever faced by then who almost gave away whole wizarding world to muggles in a very public display of violence that mostly affected said muggles!! But threatening it on schoolkids is okay."
"But your reason are stupid and I really like these books, so you're just stupid!"
"You'd be surprised how often people say this 'truth' when faced with anything that's considered a flaw in their fandom..."
"Have you seen how much money Rowling makes?! That's the truth!"
"Yes, and Taco Bell sells as much food as colon cleanups and people still buy and like them despite the flaws. Don't mean the flaws aren't there."
Lets just face it that it is a flaw and the more mundane or wondrous the reasons one could come up with why it wasn't such, the same can be done right back for why it is.
For example, someone very skilled with occulmancy? Yeah. So the whole of Ministery couldn't hire anyone else skilled on it to anyway verify that was such methods being used to fight the serum? No potioneers skilled enough to know what could be done against it and what to do against counter-measures? And it's not like a person could really deceive the potion itself (or the magic really isn't what it's advertised to being), one can only deceive themselves.
In the case of dumping the whole bottle into Crouch's mouth, it was a way to force him to swallow. You can avoid three drops, it's much harder to keep a mouthful of potion from going down when your head is tilted back and you're being held by the neck in a struggle.
His choices were either to swallow or gag
@@dreamcream3738 Very on point. But considerin how much number is made on how rare and hard to come by the potion is and how extremely measured Snape is with such...
If he had thought it so valuable, he would have at least forced the bottle in his mouth, not to waste any, but more precisely he would have given it mixed (in heavy dose, but still) to something else.
"But Crouch could have done something while he did that", I could see someone asking.
To be specific again, if it was in his power to do something, he could have done it after the potion was given too. The potion made you speak true, nothing more. It didn't (to my knowledge) paralyze you or hinder you otherwise. And we had Dumbledore on him at wand-point.
In short. If it was such near-prizeless elixir, Snape would not have wasted it. Even in (and more so precisely in) that situation. Dumbledore was always levelheaded, but Snape even more so.
×edit× Would be really interesting to know how it was in the book, Dumbledore calmly wondered...
@@Velgar_Grim I don't think it's rarity is intrinsic due to limited supply, but rather the time it takes to make it. What we do know is that it is, by Snape's commentary, incredibly tedious to prepare; taking one lunar phase to actually brew.
Then again, he was telling this detail to Umbridge, so we cannot say for certain that he was even being truthful here.
If we take him at face value, all it truly means is that *making* the potion takes about a month. For the Potions Master, the Half Blood Prince, brewing the stuff may be relatively simple, it just takes a long time, so to have it reliably on hand means that he'd have to make it in advance.
Nothing was ever said about the scarcity of the ingredients.
Also to note, in the book, Dumbledore shook three drops. The film adaptation poured the bottle for the sake of emphasizing the action.
@@dreamcream3738 Figured something of note might be the case.
It's just these videos are always making the case for it being something rare or really hard to comeby.
And especially for the Ministery of Magic of all things.
I can understand that they wouldn't want to use it on pretty much everybody, but not to use it at all is wild.
Sure when you just want a quick case like Potter's, then the system itself is just biased.
But for even Dumbledore to accept the Sirius' case without any demands for further proof, nor testing? Really? I really think the theory of him wanting Sirius handely out of the way might have some merit...
@@Velgar_Grim a major theme of the books is how inefficient, corrupt and inept the government can be. Dolores Umbridge, for example, was a pastiche of Margaret Thatcher.
The ministry regulates the use of the truth serum due to the dangerous potential of it. Technically speaking, Dumbledore using it was illegal. Umbridge using it
While I like a good theory as much as the next person; This channel's videos tend to neglect the context of the supposed rarity of Veritaserum.
What we know for certain; Professor Snape said that the potion takes a lunar phase to *mature*. This wording is very interesting, as this indicates that the length of time is mostly just *waiting* for it to be truly ready, much like when you are making your own wine.
That, and Professor Slughorn expects 7th year students to be able to produce it, as it's N.E.W.T level stuff.
Dumbledore believing Sirius was guilty is something reasonable, because he was not privy to the fact that Wormtail was the real secret keeper, and the evidence did point against Sirius.
It also highlights that Dumbledore is not infallible. Before then, Harry saw him as this almost omniscient, sage-like figure. So to show that Dumbledore can be wrong, and grossly so, would serve to show him as more human.
Why didn’t they just use a timeturner against Tom riddle. They don’t even have to kill him, just don’t let Dumbledore invite him to hogwarts lol
simplest answer....JK didn't want Sirius free & proven innocent. Harry had to suffer with no one to love him. Harry's tears feed JK's soul
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Someone could believe what they say even if it is not true
Hooo boy that was a good video. However that image showing during the Lie Detector bit...couldnt stop staring at the hands. Why cant AI get those right lmao
a pride thing most likely, also, truth serum eliminates possibility of manipulating the result in case the result isnt what u want lol
Your lie detector & the woman being questioned have 3 extra fingers each
Did he seriously say DADA 😂instead of D-A-D-A😂
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Obviously, to use Veritaserum would be a violation of Human Rights and that would be... sorry, couldn't complete that with a straight face.
How many fingers do those people have on that AI image polygraph test? I swear she has 10 fingers on her left hand 😂
Veritaserum is the most useless potion ever
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Cool video, can't help but notice terrible AI images though. They look awful
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Answer JK Rowling is not the greatest of authors. Don't get me wrong - I like the books but there's so many plot holes and errors that occurred because of a lack of planning and attention to detail. Where are you getting this information from, none of this is in the books.
there is no truth serum even in harry potter THATS why
Because plotholes 😂😂😂😂
I LOVE harry Potter, but I'm sorry to tell you that JK Rowling is not the best author of the world. The best example is including the cursed child as canon.
I still love the series tho
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