When I was PIMO. I was still serving as a ministerial servant. At my last meeting with the elders, ministerial, servants and circuit overseer, the circuit overseer was reading information he had received from the organization. It was all about how elders in the congregations were being too cautious when it came to allowing kids to get baptized, and as soon as they were able to answer the questions, the elders should be considering them for baptism. His exact words were. “ we have noticed that if we let it go too long a lot of our young ones lose interest in the truth and no longer want to be part of the organization so we want to get them while they’re young” The result to me was very clear. Get them while they’re young and naïve, and then blackmail them with the loss of their friends and family once they get older and are able to critically examine the claims of the organization.
And they were pt of the UN for 10 yrs until they were found out . They are still affiliated with them via the OSCE . They are certainly involved in the world . Inc having share bonds stocks in the Henrietta Trust Fund . I’ve done research for over a year into their practices. They are so corrupt. It’s a business nothing more . 😢 I’ve never seen a sited handle the mics at the hall or anywhere else . They say we have smaller brains and are not a clever as men. Well that’s wrong as we know .
Watchtower's hypocrisy is appalling; it's about time that governments are acknowledging it. Regardless of our religious beliefs or lack thereof, we cannot afford to disregard their deceitful practices. For myself, I fervently hope that Jesus exposes their true intentions and declares: ‘…I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ (Matthew 7:21-23)
The only difference between me and one of my sisters is that i was baptized at like 14 and she was not. I was eventually DF'ed. I have zero contact with my family. My sister married a'worldly' guy and had kids, and a great relationship with my parents. It's excruciating. It feels unbelievably lonely. +5 psychic damage
I DA'd in 2015. My sister and brother weren't baptized, and have some kind of relationship with family, however distant. I haven't spoken with them since my mom died in 2018 (but was considered inactive). It's ridiculous!
21:22 this got me because when my father took me back in to the house because I was disfellowshipped and pregnant , they called my dad to a meeting and told him to kick me out and that our family friend who had a young child that mum and dad had taken in to help her , told him that he would have to tell them to leave because I was at home . He had to step down as an elder as he said he would not tell me to go or our friend and her son to leave . And they had been told they wernt alowed to talk to me or eat a meal with me . They are so hypocritical. And they hate the government but they use the government when it suits them.
SOZIALSCHMAROTZER! VON der WTG bekommen sie keine Unterstützung für jahrelanges Schuften! Wo bleibt da die gepriesene Nächstenliebe? Ein Immobilien Konzern wie jeder andere in der Welt, nur, dass die Angestellten nicht entlohnt werden.
@Lisapinson They do love to use all avenues of support, fiscal and legal (law courts) by the governments of the world. HYPOCRITES!! WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING!! FALSE SHEPHERDS!!
"df'ed for some pretty mild stuff" LIKE READING THE BIBLE! and letting Holy Spirit teach us just as we are supposed to do! "For where two or three gather together in My name, there am I with them." Mt 18:20 The"Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in his name, will teach you all things and remind you of everything he has taught you." Jn 14:26
I remember my mom use to talk sheet about this girl who got disfellowshiped and then when she got reinstated my mom was all like, im so happy you are back welcome! Lol
Yes, I remember when they reinstated someone at the end of the meeting All were around the person. Kissing and hugging! I never did that- found that stupid!! Hypocrites!!
Thank you Jake! I have always found it ludicrous how JWs call shunning "loving". How can anything that causes so many suicides every year be "loving"? It is cruel, torturous, emotional blackmail, and definitely UNLOVING.
Yes, I never Believed in shunning and when I saw the video for the first time in the convention I was sickened to my guts- and I was not awaken then! I couldn’t believe the mom didn’t answer her daughter’s calls- what if it was an emergency?? I’m and can’t get it in my head how they all accept it- even the disfellowshipped will stop you if you give them a smile! 🤦🏽♀️
I was looked down on for waiting until 17 to get baptized as a JW. The claim that children have any say in the matter is nothing more than a gaslighting falsehood and manipulation. Disgusting.
I was made to get baptised at 13 by my ministerial servant father. I told the elders that i wasnt ready.Their answer to me was that if my father wished it then it was good enough for them. If i had not have been baptised at 13,i would not have faced shunning as a teen when i was disfellowshipped the first time
They are very manipulative. I was baptised at 15 and I also told them that I was young and that I was afraid to get disfellowshipped. Then they compared it to not taking drivers lessons because of the fear of getting in an accident... and years later I thought like, Jesus himself was not a 15 year old boy when he was baptised. He was a ADULT men of 30. What do we know as teenagers?
You made a good point about believers not even grasping disfellowshipping. This is by design. The organization purposefully frames it as someone getting "loving discipline" only after they've been counseled by elders and refused to change brazen conduct. In reality, people can get df'ed for some pretty mild stuff or for their first offense of a sin, even one they've confessed to unprovoked. It really depends on the the elders you're dealing with and how they decide to define your repentance.
My Mom literally lives on the corner behind me..she goes for walks and I wave at her and she just turns her head. She has been lied too from day 1 in 1970! I'm sooo very sad for her..
I live with an aunt that's a Witness and she always makes comments about the last days and she sometimes says things .."since y'all don't wanna serve Jehovah"...etc. I said that's not true....I just want to be a witness...they really think Christianity is synonymous with them. 😢😢
IF it is upheld in courts, that JWs have indeed violated a person's human rights, I would love to see millions of lawsuits by it's numerous victims and the families of the many thousands of suicide victims. The Great Harlot's water is being dried up; she is being stripped naked for all to see, and will soon be burned in the fire. Rev 17: "I could see that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints and witnesses for Jesus."
I feel myself and many others deserve compensation for being sabotaged in education.. relationships..career paths and having to deal with all the mental health issues you have to suffer and heal through
For sure! But how do you compensate the many suicide victims? I do know that so many need help, love, and understanding, but for many victims that isn't enough! My wife used to go to one who was a PIMO! He was helpful, along with her many dozens of self help books. My wife also took other victims to him for help. @@exjwtherapy1814
Correction? The Great Harlot does not refer to Jehovah Witness,s? Rev 17 you need to get the right interpretation of Rev 17 it does not prefer to Jehovah Witness,s?(food for thght?🤔
JW's worship and fear men (an unscriptural, almighty, "Pope-like" GB) rather than Christ and they are indeed "drunk with the blood of the saints and witnesses for Jesus."Rev 17 So "Get out of her my people." "You put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or EXALTS HIMSELF." 1 John 2:19 They close the door to the kingdom of heaven by saying only they are "worthy"! But Christ Jesus says: "Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."John6:54 Obeying GB Men while Ignoring Jesus dishonors Jehovah God, who gave Him a name above all others! "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: "At the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God" Phil 2:9 @faithnightingale1019 ♥
Did you know JW's used to think that black peoples skin would turn white in the "new system". (Watchtower 1904 feb.15th pp52-53) Some other not so nice things about them in Watchtower 1901 Aug. 15 pp264-266 and 1902 July 15 pp215-216.. I've studied with them for about 15 years now, but something has always held me back from getting baptized. The more I learn the more questions I have. It has been my research outside of the organization including testimony from people with very similar stories like yours that have helped me make my decision to not commit. So thank you for speaking up
They usually lure you in with love bombing and/or faux spirituality/intellectualism, then, once you are baptised, you're just another publisher to convert more and that has to unquestioningly tow the party line. You dodged a bullet.
LIARS FOR SURE! A friend of ours who was a "pioneer" JW witness was told that her own DF'd son could not ride with her to the KH meetings or she would be "removed" from the pioneer list for her disobedience! However, her son could ride with a stranger, but they couldn't talk to him during the ride, but they could "count their time" in their weekly time report. SICK-Os! He eventually killed himself.
I was born in but I went through all the bs but never got baptized and usually that used to work but then I noticed my ppl moving away from me so I never thought of a cult until my ppl never talked to me 4 yrs I was like omg I grew up in a dd cult and when they didn't come see me when I died on operating table and took blood my own mom didn't come c me or even call I forgave them but I still have it as long as there in this I keep em at arm lengths and I wanna be close with my bro n sis n mom but will never happen as long as they are in this hcg
They say that blood is sacred because it represents life. But which is more sacred, LIFE itself, or blood which simply represents life? David and his men, on the run from Saul, ate the sacred offering bread without guilt. It was forbidden in the law... under normal circumstances. God says "I want mercy, not sacrifice." JW's are blood guilty themselves, in a very big way!
Pikuach Nefesh: means that saving a human life should take priority over everything, even if this means breaking some of the Law. Luke 13: 10-17 Incidentally, Jewish people get transfusions. After all that’s who the law was written for. Transfusions for humans weren't invented until 1818. It is obvious to you and I who read the words of Jesus in Matt 12. “I desire mercy, not sacrifice." It was ridiculous for his men to go hungry, for sheep to be endangered because of the sabbath laws or David's men to starve because of a law. Principles are more important? Never should anyone sacrifice a human being for a law.
Argh. I was listening to a fitness book and the dude quoted Jordan Peterson One Time. I almost quit listening to the book based just on that. Hahaha. Like oh no. If someone quotes him as an expert in anything it seriously makes me doubt their sanity. Hahaha ELMO Peterson. You kill me. 😵
Looking forward to your upcoming video, Jake. Russell-era Watchtower is a subject we don't get nearly enough content about in the ExJW community. Everything is Rutherford or later. Caught the end of this stream, well done as usual.
It’s been 25-years. I’m done being angry. They still make me sick to my stomach when I hear the latest news about them. Of course they twist everything to make it seem like they are being persecuted. 🤮
" I’m done being angry." While anger is a normal reaction when we finally wake up, holding on to it makes us still their prisoner. Good for you. It takes a while to sort it all out. We know. Enjoy the "Glorious freedom of the children of God."
My favorite part about that cult is how they “allegedly” say they don’t practice shunning, and for the ones that do, they deserve it….like, my boi, you just contradicted yourselves. And I love how they’re mega bold liars about this claim as if there isn’t 500,004 people out there to prove their Bass Ackward logic wrong. “Jehovah’s righteous ways, eh?” I bounced like my daddy on my due date in 2021.
Especially ironic - if you're an active member and read the information from the court cases, you'll likely be accused of apostate activity and get disfellowshipped..
Jake, you remind me of my very favorite actor, Colin Firth. ❤😊❤I have been away from the organization for so long that I only feel bad for suffering Jehovah’s Witnesses, but happy for those that feel protected and at home inside the organization. “Nothing is either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” Also, for myself, I look on my past association as a baptized JW as a stepping stone to the better place I am now. TRUTH is what interests me. Not the socially constructed reality (so called truth) nor the agreed upon fiction, that to me, describes the JW Organization. ❤😊❤
Im 56, gone through all of this, with the obvious fallout of a dysfunctional understanding of life, etc. I wonder, could there be a class action suit against the Watchtower? Think of the thousands, maybe millions, that HAVE been ruined and psychologically F%CKed due to this garbage
If they're stating that "only spiritual association" is stopped, then why are disfellowshipped ones allowed in the kingdom hall to worship next to them, pray next to them, sing the songs next to them? Isn't that spiritual association? You cannot treat people like garbage AND worship God at the same time. Make it make sense, please.
1:27:20 I think courts should take the JW witnesses into the judges chambers without the JW lawyers or reps and re ask the questions to see if they are answering under duress for fear of being punished by the congregation.
Interesting thought kinda would make up for the injustice they do to a sinner with no representation yet when it comes to money they get representation lol !!
My nurse friend works in the nic iu. A Jehovah's Witness wanted to let their baby die. They wouldn't let the doctors save the baby needed blood. Emergency courts came in and gave this beautiful newborn blood and saved its life. Wait for it... THE JW MOM AND DAD LEFT THE CHILD AT THE HOSPITAL! DESERTED IT BECAUSE IT GOT BLOOD. 😢
Actually you just have to ask the best medical experts to get to know that blood free medical care is the best choice. The best doctors and surgeons all specialise in blood free medical care. Something that you should also consider is the interesting fact that scientists now think that each person’s blood holds a personal imprint, which is passed on to other people through blood transfusions and then may even cause split personality disorders and personality changes.
I like that the point brought out is not necessarily that baptizing children is wrong but what it means for them. As in - the Catholic Church baptizes children but those children are not shunned if they make a perceived mistake or change their mind. I have a lot of guilt as a mother that I allowed my child to get baptized but I guess I am getting what I deserve from that because when I got out I lost her and she is shunning me (she is only 14 now)
😮 it’s sad! But keep your shin up! Nothing to be embarrassed- time is the great healer! And your child is young- give her time and hopefully she will understand you! Wishing you the best. Hugs!
I think the young girl said 15 years old when her parents allowed her to decide to get baptised was because she’d been told that 15 is the age under the Norwegian legislation when your old enough to decide.
Jake, I think Firuli was the one that whistleblower to Norway government that has caused the cut in $& to Watch tower. Lost sheep’s need Love and attention, Not rejection !! Didn’t they learn what Jesus thought of the lost sheep? And as followers of Christ, did He get baptized in a matured age? 30’years! He was perfect and the Watchtower expects us to be perfect knowing that we are imperfect sinners? Where is the Christian love???? DOWN WITH THAT EVIL TOWERRR!!!
They all say it’s just the bible that guides them yet they still have numerous books, magazines and videos! Can you go to jail for lying on stand to a court? It’s called perjury Jake!
My father, faithful for 45 years was never "promoted" to elder because he kept in contact with us his 3 faded kids. Me first 1990 The my Brother 1999 Sister 2009
@@altworldlyWhich church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16, 24:14, 28:19-20, Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
@@vusimngomezulu2500 an apostate according to the Bible would be someone who is teaching a false doctrine or many false doctrines and refuses to listen to criticism. so basically the governing body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. As far as what the Bible says, will happen to those people if they don’t turn back from their course, it says that they will be rejected by God when they are judged.
How can they say they don’t shun . They have videos on it . Had one this year at the convention 2023 . Full video . I’m being soft shunned atm . I’m PIMO but fading .
Refuting 'the organization' is easy enough but replacing its teachings can be difficult because some 'unlearning' is needed. To quickly summarize principal WT errors: 1) Supersessionism (ie. the Church - 'the organization in WT parlance' - inheriting the promises made to natural Jews), 2) Arianism (a fourth century heresy) and 3) partial preterism, namely that Christ has returned and the Kingdom has already been established on Earth. For example wrt to point #1 Jerusalem was not destroyed in 607BC as per WT, that happened roughly 20 years earlier, so the 1914 date for the return doesn't work; however if you apply the 2,250 prophetic years for the return of Israel to the Decree of Cyrus then you land on May 14, 1948, exactly when Israel was reestablished as a State. As for 144,000 these are natural Jews (Messianic converts like Paul most likely) appointed during the Tribulation period about which Revelation is written to evangelize after the 'restrainer' (ie. the true Church made of born again believers is gone), and not a cap on the number going to heaven. Point being, the Bible is true and inspired and if you want to know what is required for Salvation please simply read Romans 10:9,10. God wants a direct relationship with each of us we simply need to ask directly and genuinely repent of our sins. Denominations are all corrupt to varying degrees, thankfully that's not where we need to look for salvation. We simply need faith.
king of the north Russia is an 1800s Christendom doctrine (evangelical and advent) not WT origin. Yet bible says temple 144,000 is surrounded not Russian Real Estate. One would think that Nor Way (north way) qualifies more as a king of north BY NAME.
Except that nobody gets stoned or thrown off a building for breaking them, at least in Norway, I think. While people *do* get shunned there, and everywhere.
I think the main argument of WT is that minors who are disfellowshiped don't get shunned by immediate family members. Which is probably true in many cases. They just fail to often emphasize that it is this marginal situation that family shunning is not mandated. But if this Norway case is about children specifically being abused, then it get's tricky to win, because the abused people are most often adults when DFd, not children. I would think the instances where a minor is baptized and is disfellowshiped before age 18, are rare. And even rarer the instances where those are treated the same way by the family than adult DFd people. I think they need to elaborate in court that in this one instance, witness parents have leeway, but still other distant family members and congregation members shun the kids. That way everyone would know that the WT defence only applies partially. And focus on how even in those cases, most people in the kid's life shun them. But if the case is mainly about minors being baptized, they have a good case. I'm just a bit confused as to what exactly is the case argued for here. I don't think any of the exJWs or JWs who took the stand were shunned (hence abused in that way) as children. So when the WT says report to CPS if you have any cases, they might be right if there actually aren't any cases of minors being kicked out and shunned in Norway that can be presented to the court.
It’s the watchtower that’s bringing the case not the government. The Norwegian government says parents have to take a child’s view into account from age 7 I think and should give it priority at something like 12. Once they are 15 they should be completely free to make their own religious choices and should be free to leave or change religion without any interference. I don’t think the JWs can argue that anyone is completely free to leave or change their religion without suffering any repercussions from their church. The Norwegian laws are very much about tolerance and freedom of religion and accusing everyone else of not being Christian and working for Satan isn’t exact tolerant or treating all other religions, or none respectfully.
Funny how Watchtower has their hand out for money from “Satan’s system”. Nothing is impeding their freedom of worship, but they want the money on their terms.
@@ucanliv4ever well why do they bother providing grants to other religions at all and not just finance their own state religion? That would seem the obvious solution.
It looks like Jehovah is not with them like they like to think...the rank and file haven't figured out that all these court losses only mean that god is not protecting their organization 😮
I worked with a crew of 7 Jehovas 30 or so years back. I was appalled to see one of them being ostracized by the others because he and his wife split up. At the point in time when the support from ones church is most needed, as the stress from splitting up hits hard , all the other Jehovas refused to even speak with him which was awkward since he was team leader. Eventually to two reunited and all was good again until another of them went thru the same ordeal a year later. What a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites.
Number 1 you don’t argue the Bible, or the teachings,.. Don’t forget, just like you are a brothers on faith “CHRISTIAN” y’all have free wheel, Pray hand hopefully one day you’ll be a great Disciple at preaching!
Jesus told us to love thy or your neighbour as your self and pray for your enemies. And in Luke 6..ch 27 Jesus told us to continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you. And verse 28 to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you.
Me well we didn't get kicked out my mom n dad left there house and got a condo and left us in like a fixer upper house stove freezer they didn't pay electric or gas or water we had to learn fast cuz we weren't ever put in that perdictment b4 but it was a cross that my mom was trying to get into truth and my pops was pomi so they were studying again so they left they turned us n2 💊 dealers to survive took me awhile to forgive my mom my n then the accident were she didn't even come see me and my dads funeral was a talk I like totally do not care for this religion and I forgave my mom because she tries to call n stuff now but I don't really see her as my mom as much as somebody who raised me I blame my sis I know she doesn't believe for yrs she told me but my sis are her life line and if she was 2 stop she would lose them 2 I think it's just really destructive hcg
To say that JW has been STIGMATIZED by Norway is downright comical. JW believes Jesus was put on a stake, not a cross. The marks of stigmata was of course the marks Jesus had in his hands after being nailed to a cross 😂
Is that how long you been a JW we shouldn't trust your opinion your to negative worst of all you don't really have a truthful relationship with Jehovah you don't even give him a mention. He is only a after thought to all you traitors
Why are you disobeying the governing body? They specifically told you not to watch videos like this. Now I have to send Satan to your house to haunt you forever :(
When I was PIMO. I was still serving as a ministerial servant. At my last meeting with the elders, ministerial, servants and circuit overseer, the circuit overseer was reading information he had received from the organization. It was all about how elders in the congregations were being too cautious when it came to allowing kids to get baptized, and as soon as they were able to answer the questions, the elders should be considering them for baptism. His exact words were. “ we have noticed that if we let it go too long a lot of our young ones lose interest in the truth and no longer want to be part of the organization so we want to get them while they’re young” The result to me was very clear. Get them while they’re young and naïve, and then blackmail them with the loss of their friends and family once they get older and are able to critically examine the claims of the organization.
That’s insane!!!
Demonic actually.
Criminal child abuse
@@jeantucker4540
100% agreement with you.
Child abuse possibly as seen by the Japanese Government.
@@deejay1216
Criminal intent is what I'd see it as.
How can an organization who claimed not to be part of the world be seeking funding from the world…. It’s ironic
Good point!
I with the help of worldly lawyers
And they were pt of the UN for 10 yrs until they were found out . They are still affiliated with them via the OSCE . They are certainly involved in the world . Inc having share bonds stocks in the Henrietta Trust Fund . I’ve done research for over a year into their practices. They are so corrupt. It’s a business nothing more . 😢 I’ve never seen a sited handle the mics at the hall or anywhere else . They say we have smaller brains and are not a clever as men. Well that’s wrong as we know .
Watchtower's hypocrisy is appalling; it's about time that governments are acknowledging it. Regardless of our religious beliefs or lack thereof, we cannot afford to disregard their deceitful practices. For myself, I fervently hope that Jesus exposes their true intentions and declares: ‘…I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’ (Matthew 7:21-23)
The only difference between me and one of my sisters is that i was baptized at like 14 and she was not. I was eventually DF'ed. I have zero contact with my family. My sister married a'worldly' guy and had kids, and a great relationship with my parents.
It's excruciating. It feels unbelievably lonely.
+5 psychic damage
That is so sad. Sorry to hear this.
Be happy that you can see the difference but i know it can be rough. Wish you peace!
Substitute 14 for 9 and I could've written this almost word for word.
It’s emotional blackmail and it’s maddening. Nothing would please me more than to see this organization dissolved!
I DA'd in 2015. My sister and brother weren't baptized, and have some kind of relationship with family, however distant. I haven't spoken with them since my mom died in 2018 (but was considered inactive). It's ridiculous!
21:22 this got me because when my father took me back in to the house because I was disfellowshipped and pregnant , they called my dad to a meeting and told him to kick me out and that our family friend who had a young child that mum and dad had taken in to help her , told him that he would have to tell them to leave because I was at home . He had to step down as an elder as he said he would not tell me to go or our friend and her son to leave . And they had been told they wernt alowed to talk to me or eat a meal with me . They are so hypocritical. And they hate the government but they use the government when it suits them.
SOZIALSCHMAROTZER! VON der WTG bekommen sie keine Unterstützung für jahrelanges Schuften!
Wo bleibt da die gepriesene Nächstenliebe?
Ein Immobilien Konzern wie jeder andere in der Welt, nur, dass die Angestellten nicht entlohnt werden.
@Lisapinson
They do love to use all avenues of support, fiscal and legal (law courts) by the governments of the world.
HYPOCRITES!! WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING!!
FALSE SHEPHERDS!!
Who needs them? "Wherever 2 or 3 are gathered in my name, I will be with them." Search "Beroean Pickets" and meet your fellow travelers.
"df'ed for some pretty mild stuff" LIKE READING THE BIBLE! and letting Holy Spirit teach us just as we are supposed to do! "For where two or three gather together in My name, there am I with them." Mt 18:20 The"Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in his name, will teach you all things and remind you of everything he has taught you." Jn 14:26
I remember my mom use to talk sheet about this girl who got disfellowshiped and then when she got reinstated my mom was all like, im so happy you are back welcome! Lol
Yes, I remember when they reinstated someone at the end of the meeting
All were around the person. Kissing and hugging! I never did that- found that stupid!!
Hypocrites!!
Ew, this also happened to my sister. Everyone was talking about her and were giving me dirty looks an now they are kissing her ass.
Thank you Jake! I have always found it ludicrous how JWs call shunning "loving". How can anything that causes so many suicides every year be "loving"? It is cruel, torturous, emotional blackmail, and definitely UNLOVING.
Not to mention unchristian!
Michael burch, there are so many erroneous presumptions in your comment that it is difficult to engage them all
shunning isnt loving; shunning is like putting a scarlet letter on someone's head.
Yes, I never Believed in shunning and when I saw the video for the first time in the convention I was sickened to my guts- and I was not awaken then! I couldn’t believe the mom didn’t answer her daughter’s calls- what if it was an emergency??
I’m and can’t get it in my head how they all accept it- even the disfellowshipped will stop you if you give them a smile! 🤦🏽♀️
Robin, shunning is different from disfellowshipping, in case you don't already know. Have you read either the watchtower or the scarlet letter?
I was looked down on for waiting until 17 to get baptized as a JW. The claim that children have any say in the matter is nothing more than a gaslighting falsehood and manipulation. Disgusting.
"Gas Lighting" They seem to have more new Gas than new Light! ;-)
I was made to get baptised at 13 by my ministerial servant father. I told the elders that i wasnt ready.Their answer to me was that if my father wished it then it was good enough for them.
If i had not have been baptised at 13,i would not have faced shunning as a teen when i was disfellowshipped the first time
They are very manipulative. I was baptised at 15 and I also told them that I was young and that I was afraid to get disfellowshipped. Then they compared it to not taking drivers lessons because of the fear of getting in an accident... and years later I thought like, Jesus himself was not a 15 year old boy when he was baptised. He was a ADULT men of 30. What do we know as teenagers?
You made a good point about believers not even grasping disfellowshipping. This is by design. The organization purposefully frames it as someone getting "loving discipline" only after they've been counseled by elders and refused to change brazen conduct. In reality, people can get df'ed for some pretty mild stuff or for their first offense of a sin, even one they've confessed to unprovoked. It really depends on the the elders you're dealing with and how they decide to define your repentance.
Oppressive wolves are like that.
ex JW Caleb covered a court case in Spain - again WT decided to attack an ex JW group leading to high profile case hearing stories of harm done
Been inactive for years. Im not disfellowshipped, but conversations with my mother are very limited already. We go months not talking.🤷
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Same. If she does talk with me, she’ll typically start a conversation by bringing up something about the organization.
I was never a witness, but my sister has been baptized for decades. We rarely speak.
My Mom literally lives on the corner behind me..she goes for walks and I wave at her and she just turns her head. She has been lied too from day 1 in 1970! I'm sooo very sad for her..
I live with an aunt that's a Witness and she always makes comments about the last days and she sometimes says things .."since y'all don't wanna serve Jehovah"...etc. I said that's not true....I just want to be a witness...they really think Christianity is synonymous with them. 😢😢
IF it is upheld in courts, that JWs have indeed violated a person's human rights, I would love to see millions of lawsuits by it's numerous victims and the families of the many thousands of suicide victims. The Great Harlot's water is being dried up; she is being stripped naked for all to see, and will soon be burned in the fire. Rev 17: "I could see that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints and witnesses for Jesus."
I feel myself and many others deserve compensation for being sabotaged in education.. relationships..career paths and having to deal with all the mental health issues you have to suffer and heal through
For sure! But how do you compensate the many suicide victims? I do know that so many need help, love, and understanding, but for many victims that isn't enough! My wife used to go to one who was a PIMO! He was helpful, along with her many dozens of self help books. My wife also took other victims to him for help. @@exjwtherapy1814
Correction? The Great Harlot does not refer to Jehovah Witness,s? Rev 17 you need to get the right interpretation of Rev 17 it does not prefer to Jehovah Witness,s?(food for thght?🤔
JW's worship and fear men (an unscriptural, almighty, "Pope-like" GB) rather than Christ and they are indeed "drunk with the blood of the saints and witnesses for Jesus."Rev 17 So "Get out of her my people." "You put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or EXALTS HIMSELF." 1 John 2:19 They close the door to the kingdom of heaven by saying only they are "worthy"! But Christ Jesus says: "Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."John6:54 Obeying GB Men while Ignoring Jesus dishonors Jehovah God, who gave Him a name above all others! "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: "At the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God" Phil 2:9 @faithnightingale1019 ♥
Did you know JW's used to think that black peoples skin would turn white in the "new system". (Watchtower 1904 feb.15th pp52-53) Some other not so nice things about them in Watchtower 1901 Aug. 15 pp264-266 and 1902 July 15 pp215-216.. I've studied with them for about 15 years now, but something has always held me back from getting baptized. The more I learn the more questions I have. It has been my research outside of the organization including testimony from people with very similar stories like yours that have helped me make my decision to not commit. So thank you for speaking up
They usually lure you in with love bombing and/or faux spirituality/intellectualism, then, once you are baptised, you're just another publisher to convert more and that has to unquestioningly tow the party line. You dodged a bullet.
LIARS FOR SURE! A friend of ours who was a "pioneer" JW witness was told that her own DF'd son could not ride with her to the KH meetings or she would be "removed" from the pioneer list for her disobedience! However, her son could ride with a stranger, but they couldn't talk to him during the ride, but they could "count their time" in their weekly time report. SICK-Os! He eventually killed himself.
I was born in but I went through all the bs but never got baptized and usually that used to work but then I noticed my ppl moving away from me so I never thought of a cult until my ppl never talked to me 4 yrs I was like omg I grew up in a dd cult and when they didn't come see me when I died on operating table and took blood my own mom didn't come c me or even call I forgave them but I still have it as long as there in this I keep em at arm lengths and I wanna be close with my bro n sis n mom but will never happen as long as they are in this hcg
They say that blood is sacred because it represents life. But which is more sacred, LIFE itself, or blood which simply represents life? David and his men, on the run from Saul, ate the sacred offering bread without guilt. It was forbidden in the law... under normal circumstances. God says "I want mercy, not sacrifice." JW's are blood guilty themselves, in a very big way!
Pikuach Nefesh: means that saving a human life should take priority over everything, even if this means breaking some of the Law.
Luke 13: 10-17
Incidentally, Jewish people get transfusions. After all that’s who the law was written for. Transfusions for humans weren't invented until 1818.
It is obvious to you and I who read the words of Jesus in Matt 12. “I desire mercy, not sacrifice." It was ridiculous for his men to go hungry, for sheep to be endangered because of the sabbath laws or David's men to starve because of a law. Principles are more important? Never should anyone sacrifice a human being for a law.
2:02:17 Holy guacamole!!! Your Jordan Peterson is splendid. 😂😂😂😂 🐸🐸🐸
Argh. I was listening to a fitness book and the dude quoted Jordan Peterson One Time. I almost quit listening to the book based just on that. Hahaha. Like oh no. If someone quotes him as an expert in anything it seriously makes me doubt their sanity. Hahaha ELMO Peterson. You kill me. 😵
It took me several days to get through this. It's infuriating. Thank you for covering it, Jake.
I love how they call him a "Board Member". HAHAHAHA that is exactly what they are.
Looking forward to your upcoming video, Jake. Russell-era Watchtower is a subject we don't get nearly enough content about in the ExJW community. Everything is Rutherford or later. Caught the end of this stream, well done as usual.
It’s been 25-years. I’m done being angry. They still make me sick to my stomach when I hear the latest news about them. Of course they twist everything to make it seem like they are being persecuted. 🤮
" I’m done being angry." While anger is a normal reaction when we finally wake up, holding on to it makes us still their prisoner. Good for you. It takes a while to sort it all out. We know. Enjoy the "Glorious freedom of the children of God."
It's like the wizard of OZ "pay no attention to what you see in the publications.
I would stand up in court to tell them that I almost took my own life because of the Jehovah's witnesses rules.
My favorite part about that cult is how they “allegedly” say they don’t practice shunning, and for the ones that do, they deserve it….like, my boi, you just contradicted yourselves.
And I love how they’re mega bold liars about this claim as if there isn’t 500,004 people out there to prove their Bass Ackward logic wrong. “Jehovah’s righteous ways, eh?”
I bounced like my daddy on my due date in 2021.
Especially ironic - if you're an active member and read the information from the court cases, you'll likely be accused of apostate activity and get disfellowshipped..
Jake, you remind me of my very favorite actor, Colin Firth. ❤😊❤I have been away from the organization for so long that I only feel bad for suffering Jehovah’s Witnesses, but happy for those that feel protected and at home inside the organization. “Nothing is either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” Also, for myself, I look on my past association as a baptized JW as a stepping stone to the better place I am now. TRUTH is what interests me. Not the socially constructed reality (so called truth) nor the agreed upon fiction, that to me, describes the JW Organization. ❤😊❤
Didn’t get to watch live, but thank you for all the time, energy, and will power it takes to take the time to do these lives!!!!
Im 56, gone through all of this, with the obvious fallout of a dysfunctional understanding of life, etc.
I wonder, could there be a class action suit against the Watchtower? Think of the thousands, maybe millions, that HAVE been ruined and psychologically F%CKed due to this garbage
If they're stating that "only spiritual association" is stopped, then why are disfellowshipped ones allowed in the kingdom hall to worship next to them, pray next to them, sing the songs next to them? Isn't that spiritual association?
You cannot treat people like garbage AND worship God at the same time.
Make it make sense, please.
Good point of view!!
So true
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Beautifully stated. I like how you described it, "a scare tactic."
1:27:20 I think courts should take the JW witnesses into the judges chambers without the JW lawyers or reps and re ask the questions to see if they are answering under duress for fear of being punished by the congregation.
Interesting thought kinda would make up for the injustice they do to a sinner with no representation yet when it comes to money they get representation lol !!
My nurse friend works in the nic iu. A Jehovah's Witness wanted to let their baby die. They wouldn't let the doctors save the baby needed blood. Emergency courts came in and gave this beautiful newborn blood and saved its life. Wait for it... THE JW MOM AND DAD LEFT THE CHILD AT THE HOSPITAL! DESERTED IT BECAUSE IT GOT BLOOD. 😢
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Now the baby is literally an enemy of God per Sir Stephen Lett.
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Actually you just have to ask the best medical experts to get to know that blood free medical care is the best choice. The best doctors and surgeons all specialise in blood free medical care. Something that you should also consider is the interesting fact that scientists now think that each person’s blood holds a personal imprint, which is passed on to other people through blood transfusions and then may even cause split personality disorders and personality changes.
I like that the point brought out is not necessarily that baptizing children is wrong but what it means for them. As in - the Catholic Church baptizes children but those children are not shunned if they make a perceived mistake or change their mind. I have a lot of guilt as a mother that I allowed my child to get baptized but I guess I am getting what I deserve from that because when I got out I lost her and she is shunning me (she is only 14 now)
😮 it’s sad!
But keep your shin up! Nothing to be embarrassed- time is the great healer! And your child is young- give her time and hopefully she will understand you!
Wishing you the best.
Hugs!
Remember, Jehovah hates a lier,wonder if they were thinking of that when they were in court.
I’m so glad more and more people are waking up….. keep it up ❤
Who could have imagined that God could use RUclips to bless His people? Loving it!
slimy and ashamed of their own policies. big surprise
Omg could this be the reason they are starting to loosen their laws ? 🤔
Its funny now, looking back before i was out a friend of mine got disfellowshipped and he mailed me the "Scarlet Letter"...i hadnt read it in school.
I think the young girl said 15 years old when her parents allowed her to decide to get baptised was because she’d been told that 15 is the age under the Norwegian legislation when your old enough to decide.
Love your videos. Definitely hope for more jake and Christina screen time. ❤
If you are encountering a paywalled news article defiantly do not archive those websites which gets around the paywall
Definitely do not use 12ftDOTio to get around paywalls
Jake, I think Firuli was the one that whistleblower to Norway government that has caused the cut in $& to Watch tower.
Lost sheep’s need
Love and attention, Not rejection !!
Didn’t they learn what Jesus thought of the lost sheep?
And as followers of Christ, did He get baptized in a matured age?
30’years! He was perfect and the Watchtower expects us to be perfect knowing that we are imperfect sinners?
Where is the Christian love????
DOWN WITH THAT EVIL TOWERRR!!!
They all say it’s just the bible that guides them yet they still have numerous books, magazines and videos!
Can you go to jail for lying on stand to a court? It’s called perjury Jake!
My father, faithful for 45 years was never "promoted" to elder because he kept in contact with us his 3 faded kids.
Me first 1990
The my Brother 1999
Sister 2009
Last I checked the questions you go over for baptism don’t even mention apostasy
Whoa, that’s a VERY good point!!
@@altworldlyWhich church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16, 24:14, 28:19-20, Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
What is apostasy and what is their future according to the Bible???????
@@vusimngomezulu2500 an apostate according to the Bible would be someone who is teaching a false doctrine or many false doctrines and refuses to listen to criticism. so basically the governing body of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
As far as what the Bible says, will happen to those people if they don’t turn back from their course, it says that they will be rejected by God when they are judged.
How can they say they don’t shun . They have videos on it . Had one this year at the convention 2023 . Full video . I’m being soft shunned atm . I’m PIMO but fading .
Sophia and Caleb in same school and he is definitely young (and never with a friend)
Thanks!
Refuting 'the organization' is easy enough but replacing its teachings can be difficult because some 'unlearning' is needed. To quickly summarize principal WT errors: 1) Supersessionism (ie. the Church - 'the organization in WT parlance' - inheriting the promises made to natural Jews), 2) Arianism (a fourth century heresy) and 3) partial preterism, namely that Christ has returned and the Kingdom has already been established on Earth. For example wrt to point #1 Jerusalem was not destroyed in 607BC as per WT, that happened roughly 20 years earlier, so the 1914 date for the return doesn't work; however if you apply the 2,250 prophetic years for the return of Israel to the Decree of Cyrus then you land on May 14, 1948, exactly when Israel was reestablished as a State. As for 144,000 these are natural Jews (Messianic converts like Paul most likely) appointed during the Tribulation period about which Revelation is written to evangelize after the 'restrainer' (ie. the true Church made of born again believers is gone), and not a cap on the number going to heaven. Point being, the Bible is true and inspired and if you want to know what is required for Salvation please simply read Romans 10:9,10. God wants a direct relationship with each of us we simply need to ask directly and genuinely repent of our sins. Denominations are all corrupt to varying degrees, thankfully that's not where we need to look for salvation. We simply need faith.
Hi yes they updated it in Oct 23 . I was told .
king of the north Russia is an 1800s Christendom doctrine (evangelical and advent) not WT origin. Yet bible says temple 144,000 is surrounded not Russian Real Estate. One would think that Nor Way (north way) qualifies more as a king of north BY NAME.
I wonder if this could be applied to Islam also.There are some dodgy rules there too 🙂
Except that nobody gets stoned or thrown off a building for breaking them, at least in Norway, I think. While people *do* get shunned there, and everywhere.
Well done for leaving that cult.
I don't have 2 hours for this. I'm commenting because that helps.
A more succinct summary anywhere?
That lawyer is a liar
I think the main argument of WT is that minors who are disfellowshiped don't get shunned by immediate family members. Which is probably true in many cases. They just fail to often emphasize that it is this marginal situation that family shunning is not mandated. But if this Norway case is about children specifically being abused, then it get's tricky to win, because the abused people are most often adults when DFd, not children. I would think the instances where a minor is baptized and is disfellowshiped before age 18, are rare. And even rarer the instances where those are treated the same way by the family than adult DFd people. I think they need to elaborate in court that in this one instance, witness parents have leeway, but still other distant family members and congregation members shun the kids. That way everyone would know that the WT defence only applies partially. And focus on how even in those cases, most people in the kid's life shun them.
But if the case is mainly about minors being baptized, they have a good case. I'm just a bit confused as to what exactly is the case argued for here. I don't think any of the exJWs or JWs who took the stand were shunned (hence abused in that way) as children. So when the WT says report to CPS if you have any cases, they might be right if there actually aren't any cases of minors being kicked out and shunned in Norway that can be presented to the court.
It’s the watchtower that’s bringing the case not the government.
The Norwegian government says parents have to take a child’s view into account from age 7 I think and should give it priority at something like 12. Once they are 15 they should be completely free to make their own religious choices and should be free to leave or change religion without any interference.
I don’t think the JWs can argue that anyone is completely free to leave or change their religion without suffering any repercussions from their church.
The Norwegian laws are very much about tolerance and freedom of religion and accusing everyone else of not being Christian and working for Satan isn’t exact tolerant or treating all other religions, or none respectfully.
Funny how Watchtower has their hand out for money from “Satan’s system”. Nothing is impeding their freedom of worship, but they want the money on their terms.
The Norwegian laws are very much about the state religion. They don't like competition
@@ucanliv4ever well why do they bother providing grants to other religions at all and not just finance their own state religion? That would seem the obvious solution.
Brilliant, Einstein. Why should Norwegians have freedom of religion anyway? They probably wouldn't know what to do with it anyway.
It looks like Jehovah is not with them like they like to think...the rank and file haven't figured out that all these court losses only mean that god is not protecting their organization 😮
I worked with a crew of 7 Jehovas 30 or so years back. I was appalled to see one of them being ostracized by the others because he and his wife split up.
At the point in time when the support from ones church is most needed, as the stress from splitting up hits hard , all the other Jehovas refused to even speak with him which was awkward since he was team leader. Eventually to two reunited and all was good again until another of them went thru the same ordeal a year later.
What a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites.
Number 1 you don’t argue the Bible, or the teachings,.. Don’t forget, just like you are a brothers on faith “CHRISTIAN” y’all have free wheel, Pray hand hopefully one day you’ll be a great Disciple at preaching!
If they would of acted like Jesus would or like “ Christians “
this religion is soo sordid.
What did Jesus say about how we should treat our enemies - LUKE 6:27?
Jesus told us to love thy or your neighbour as your self and pray for your enemies. And in Luke 6..ch 27 Jesus told us to continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you. And verse 28 to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you.
Broaden your minds as more of the Bible is understood and proven
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Me well we didn't get kicked out my mom n dad left there house and got a condo and left us in like a fixer upper house stove freezer they didn't pay electric or gas or water we had to learn fast cuz we weren't ever put in that perdictment b4 but it was a cross that my mom was trying to get into truth and my pops was pomi so they were studying again so they left they turned us n2 💊 dealers to survive took me awhile to forgive my mom my n then the accident were she didn't even come see me and my dads funeral was a talk I like totally do not care for this religion and I forgave my mom because she tries to call n stuff now but I don't really see her as my mom as much as somebody who raised me I blame my sis I know she doesn't believe for yrs she told me but my sis are her life line and if she was 2 stop she would lose them 2 I think it's just really destructive hcg
Slimeball lawyers.
To say that JW has been STIGMATIZED by Norway is downright comical. JW believes Jesus was put on a stake, not a cross. The marks of stigmata was of course the marks Jesus had in his hands after being nailed to a cross 😂
Hey when did you grow a beard.
Over the course of a couple weeks
Is that how long you been a JW we shouldn't trust your opinion your to negative worst of all you don't really have a truthful relationship with Jehovah you don't even give him a mention. He is only a after thought to all you traitors
Sorry I take back my criticism I really I don't know any of your backgrounds I am not a Judge.
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i was disfellowshipped and NEVER, EVER felt shunned.... I suggest you spend some time tidying your bedroom up.
Why are you disobeying the governing body? They specifically told you not to watch videos like this. Now I have to send Satan to your house to haunt you forever :(
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Are you kidding?
I was disfellowshipped twice and was shunned each time.
I got re instated and have now drifted away.I am now shunned again.
The responsen not always the same. I have been shunned for over 45 years
@@dagmarpilotti3884 , Maybe this church is not for you ? just saying lol !
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