The work beef between Shaq and Kobe, Part 3 | "I may have messed something up."
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- The "Shaq-Kobe beef" has become kind of a meme, just a flat cultural reference point. How to Make a Basket: Shaq vs. Kobe endeavors to go deeper than that, to figure out why and how these two legendary partners didn't get along, and how they achieved such greatness in spite of that.
This third and final part chronicles the breakup and the aftermath. In 2004, despite an ongoing scandal and a recent return to the Finals, Kobe wanted the Lakers to himself, and made it so. How did that final season and breakup unfold, and how did Shaq and Kobe find their way back to friendship in the decades that followed?
(Correction: The clip of Shaq is from Scary Movie 4, not Scary Movie 2.)
Directed and edited by Jiazhen Zhang
Motion graphics by Phil Pasternak
Written and produced by Seth Rosenthal
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In case you missed parts 1 or 2, here you go
Shaq vs. Kobe part 1: ruclips.net/video/ud9FFraGI0s/видео.htmlsi=X-bPOub-0S1utzTs
Shaq vs. Kobe part 2: ruclips.net/video/TJVf6i1gigY/видео.htmlsi=PiEOB78jCIe7gC25
I am really happy they made up before Kobe passed. Imagine Shaq walking around with that guilt and regret for his entire life for not making up and apologizing. Great series Secret Base!
Yeah but he still told another man to tell him how his ass tasted lmao all peace n love. Glad that got it
it was never that serious 😂
what guilt? he wasn’t piloting that chopper!
@@runawaymakefriendswiththem8905 We gotta dumbass over here y’all
Its a lesson to everyone, dont let anyone in your life leave this world without knowing they were loved.
@@runawaymakefriendswiththem8905 It was that serious. You can see at 30:56, Shaq is tearing up at the thought of all the hate they gave each other during the beef. If Shaq was that close to tears, it clearly meant a lot to him to be able to resolve the beef.
I asked for a Kobe vs Shaq beef episode; I got an amazing mini-series on it. Thank you, Secret Base 🥃
Meh
Thanks for asking for this 🎉
Could you imagine a Last Dance style series on their last season (and previous) together? That would be incredible to watch
I've been telling my friends who are into Basketball to check this series out it's the best of it's kind.
Yeah, what the heck are they gonna do next?
"That's the problem with the Diesel -- I'm more technologically advanced than you are." I forgot how insane he was.
You actually took him seriously there? Lol
@@lucass9328 lol - even if he wasn't serious, that's still a weee bit crazy ;)
@@psychoticvenom it is, but in the context of the back and forth between Kobe and Shaq, which got heated and serious. Here we have Shaq leaning into the drama while adding a comedic twist to it all, it's actually kinda funny lol. Of course it's not funny that their relationship had devolved where they didn't want to talk to each other at that point in time, but his sarcasm about not having a phone, and that he can telepathically communicate with those closest to him if they want to talk, which by extension means he's technologically more advanced that the interviewer is- I mean c'mon, that's hilarious lol.
@@lucass9328 100%
Just going to appreciate the fact we have 2 multiparters going at the same time. Hope Kofie finds his way home.
kofie bryant
sadly he won’t find his way home, trust me I think
One thing the (great) video didn't cover:
The 2004 Pistons team that beat the Lakers, one of the greatest defensive teams of all time, admitted that one of their primary defensive goals was to force the ball to Kobe to shoot, and limit Shaq's involvement, so that the beef would get in the pair's heads and worsen chemistry for the series. And it worked handily.
Shaq got locked up by Ben Wallace that’s why they lost
FACTS
@@Top1Big23FICTION
@@mongoslade277Go back and watch ... Ben Wallace worked ole boy and was a menace in the paint , Ben Wallace had ole Shaqueef' on a leash like a small poodle
@@Top1Big23100% accurate statement
yup, it's Scary Movie 4, not Scary Movie 2. my bad -seth
I was just here to get on you for that 😅😅😅
Cool, I was bout to get cho ass
Make more of these asap ✌🏿😁💯‼️
Why did you cut out the punchline tho, it was hilarious
r u still there, seth?
It’s honestly insane how successful these two were even with all the drama and animosity between them.
If not for all of that, they’d have won way more chips together.
Weak ass nba at the time look at their biggest challengers, 2000 blazers best player was probably a young sheed, 2001 the sixers, 2002 kings, 2003 spurs, 2004 pistons.
@@mattkhannathe spurs and pistons literally won the championship both years lol
@@Le_Tribb yup and that’s when the lakers stopped winning
@@mattkhanna this is how I know you are a casual. All those teams you named despite the kings and the Sixers won. The Kings were the best team in the NBA that year in 2002 and were a great team. They could easily be a top 3 seed in the NBA today.
I love that a 3-part, 90+ minute story is a "quick one" for you guys. This is the best channel on RUclips and it's not close.
Seriously. This is such a well produced series. Putting ESPN to shame.
Hell yeah. Secret base has a knack for turning sports stories and larger than life people onto something you can grab on to and feel affected by. The whole team are masters at showing that even the biggest personalities are just human when it's all said and done
Bittersweet ending to this. “It hurts to know it can’t happen any longer” actually hurt to hear. Great storytelling in this series. Kudos to all involved.
This was beautifully done Seth, wouldn’t want anyone else in the world narrating it. As a laker fan since 96 when I was so young this thing really hits home for me. My love of the game came from watching these 2 go to work.
I was sure you wouldn't, but I'm really glad you didn't shy away from Kobe's sexual assault case, and that you included the quote about how he could see how she didn't think the encounter was consensual in the center of the screen. As beloved an athlete as Kobe is, and as much good as he did later in life, it's still a part of his legacy that we can't just ignore
He's an over glorified rapist and an awful team player.
Who cares about that s**** she obviously lied for money u think Kobe gotta force anyone for sex when he got Halle berry and every women lined up for him🤣
Timestamp??
No one cares about that s**** Kobe was innocent
@@tyronejames4187episode 2
Gymnopedie (1 and 2) is such a good choice for this series. Definitely evokes the juxtaposition between that 2018 interview and "My Dinner with Andre."
Literally gave me chills hearing it at the end of this video. Glad someone else appreciated it too 🎶
Great 3 part series and as a lakers fan for 39 years i remember when all this went down and how badly it pissed me off these 2 should have won 5 rings maybe more but ego is a destructive force. I remember being heartbroken when the spurs got em in 03 and Det 04. I started out a Shaq guy but ultimately became a Kobe guy by the time it was over. When I read the book about the entire lakers history i think its called Purple & Gold Dynasty theres a point where Tex Winter goes to shaq after watching film and seeing where shaq could become even more dominant by developing a 13 ft lil hook or jumper and Shaq flat out scoffed at him and refused and Kobe was self motivated and did everything he could to improve sealed my decision to back Kobe. Imagine how dominant Shaq could have been 🐐
Ultimately this relationship was the story of two deeply flawed characters growing together and coming to understand not only each other but first themselves. That's a lesson in life, the more you understand who *you* are, the more you will be able to understand and empathise with others.
I have been a fan of Secret Base for a very long time… at least 10 years… Beef History, Rewinder, the Worst, Collapse, and most recently Prism all stand among the greatest sports breakdown videos in RUclips history… production, scripting, editing, quality of content all second to none.
This series was something extra special, encompassing all the talent you have displayed for years, while telling a story in a way that brought totally new insight to a legacy most are familiar with, but likely few ever grasped so poetically as you did here.
This was truly amazing Seth… thank you so much for all you do. Definitely reached a new apex today. Fan for life right here!!
Kobe and Shaq are the essence of what sports alway emphasize about: Work hard and have fun. Kevin Garnett was like Kobe, no music in the locker room and all serious but Sam Cassell later came joined the team and relaxed some tensions just like muscles need massages after games. Kobe and Shaq needed each other but we all had our "I know my way's the best" ego in our 20s; growing pains.
Both got humbled: Shaq getting traded from the team he thought was his and Kobe realizing he cant win championships by himself, losing in PO 1,2nd rounds and losing games despite having 60+ point streaks, until they got Pau.
I remember the day Kobe passed. I’ve never been an extremely big basketball fan but still enjoy the game here and there and played when I was young. So I think I’m a perfect example of showing how someone has such an impact that I felt the energy in the world that day, the sadness, and belief leave everyone’s souls as they were hurting. And that is me, an occasional watcher of this sport which he ascended so much high above than the game it self.
This was truly beautiful. That last line brought tears to my eyes. Thank you Secret Base. Thank you Seth. You’ve made something truly special with this mini-series. How to Make a Basket is journalism in its most pure artistic form.
What a fantastic series, that ending got me so emotional. Seth, your writing is phenomenal. Please give this man a raise.
I watched all 3 episodes in one sitting.
Whoever edited this, WELL DONE 💪
I appreciate the responsibility and sensitivity with which you handle this delicate topic.
I hope there’s an alternate reality where Shaq answered EVERY question that year with “Meow meow meow”
This series was a masterpiece. Great job, everyone.
I love this series so much. Thank you secret base ❤
I mean, I watched this saga play out as it happened and it was STILL a reviting series to watch
Every day I miss that man tremendously. It was through his mistakes and failures that I learned how to be resilient, and through his success that I saw how hard work pays off.
Man i cannot believe that shaq, a guy who hangs on to even the slightest of negative comments moved on from "he pays women hush money to stay silent" and the insinuations of that
This was beautiful. Truly! Goosebumps and tears at the ending monologue. That narration had the perfect blend of all of the emotions necessary to tell this epic.
This is impeccably produced. I can't say enough for how well this miniseries was crafted end-to-end.
The Erik Satie background music is hypnotic!! Great music choice for this particular story. PS:can’t wait for part 4
Easily the best beef video you guys did.
Like you said, once they were no longer teammates, the feud was more of a meme. The two threw shots at each other frequently but more so just to entertain, they stopped feuding way before the general public realized it.
Their feud as teammates was very real though lol
Not gonna lie. I want to see an alternate universe where the Lakers stuck with Shaq and let Kobe walk away in free agency to the Grizzlies. For anyone who doesn’t know, Jerry West, the GM of the Grizzlies at that time, confirmed on Paul George’s podcast that Kobe was interested in joining with Memphis in 2004. We would have gotten Kobe and Gasol on the same team 4 years earlier than expected.
Kobe also said he was looking for houses in Chicago so if the Laker weren't on the table it's a toss up and Kobe asked to be traded again then they got Gasol to pacify him
Shaq would win three more rings and Kobe would be remembered as a Kevin McHale type of secondary star.
Kobe was going to 100% come to Chicago if he left the Lakers.
If and when SB starts making alternate sports history videos they should do that
@@andrewstepanek8933please stop 😂 Shaq only won one more with Dwayne. Kobe got 2 more with Pao who is not in wades galaxy
I love the theme you put into the three parts, and how you've tied it all together at the end where how they really just needed to talk to each other.
😭 This was so beautiful.
The wrap up will stick with a long time. Excellent stuff
Brought tears to my eyes that final image of them overlooking the court together. Happy they were able to find the love again before Kobe passed away. Love your people as best you can, because you never know when someone will take their last breath. Great work on the 3 parter 🙌🏾
As a Kobe stan & really really big Shaq fan, this was one of the best series’s I’ve seen on RUclips in a long time
As someone who was a kid that Kobe got into basketball I was too young to remember their beef so this was a great documentary. RIP my goat. Love you mamba
This 3 part episode deserves an award, in a line of great work this is the best you guys have ever done
You gave me the Jim Gray interview!!!! love you for that.
probably the best kobe Shaq doc since Sports Century of my childhood.
thanks guys!!
Wish you would have spent more time on the 04 season though. They win that title if karl is heathy.
Thank you for this amazing mini-series. It's a true gem. Unparalleled story-telling.
I don't think the Detroit Pistons get enough credit for taking advantage of the shaq versus Kobe beef. They knew Kobe was chasing a MVP trophy so they played Shaq 1 on 1 and doubled up on Kobe
Exactly
Ben Wallace helped keep Shaq at Bay and pretty much equated to a double team the whole series.
Wanted this for years and it was amazing. Perfect way to talk about this beef without letting it ruin the basketball (and things after basketball for the two of them) that they had together
Incredible work. The ending of this video gave me chills. The Kobe/Shaq Lakers were a huge part of my childhood and I remember being heartbroken when Shaq was traded. These were two alpha males who figured out too late that they needed to make sacrifices for one another. I'm glad they were able to make peace before Kobe passed.
This was amazingly well done almost brought me to tears. As someone with an Older brother this is really how brotherhoods are. The Older Brother asserts his authority and the younger one tries to prove he’s an equal. It causes you to argue, to fight, to beef, but in the end to love🙏🏾💪🏾
Secret Base, this is now my 2nd favorite documentary series I have ever seen, behind only the entire rewind of the Cavs, and particularly, that third episode centered around LeBron. Amazing work, and the fact that this is free still blows my mind. Thank you so much for putting out the best content on RUclips.
I don’t think you went into enough detail on this one.
Just kidding, this was incredible and your hard work is always appreciated. As an LA native, this genuinely brought a tear to my eye. Excellent job!
This 3 part series is going to be nominated for too many things to list atm. Truly special.
Secret base you just dropped an instant classic 💪🏼🔥 can’t wait to see this whole thing again
Overlap: Gordie Howe and Wayne Gretzky. The '79-'80 NHL season and All-Star Game are talked about often enough, but their one season together in the final year of the WHA is less covered. Highlights include them playing on a line together in a 3-game series vs. a Soviet pro team, and playing against each other in the WHA Semifinals (a series that went 7 games).
This whole series was beautiful, and touching. Thanks for this.
Wonderfully paced and beautifully written, Seth - especially those last few minutes
I’m not a big sports fan, but this series you did on Shaq and Kobe is excellent!
Just my two cents, yes there’s wrong on both sides, but I believe if Kobe woulda participated in the team activities, the chemistry could’ve been built. In an informal setting, Kobe could’ve gotten into Shaq’s ear….
Secret Base crafts stories that are so incredibly nuanced and human-focused. I think why I love these videos is because it taps into a deeper layer of why we like sports. Of course, the actual games are fun to watch, but to say the off-court stuff is irrelevant is to deny so much of what makes sports so interesting. The drama off-court fuels the drama on-court and vice-versa. Thanks for telling some great stories, y'all
Love the way you tied this series up at the end there. Through it all, they made baskets and won championships. You all deserve heaps of praise for the work that was put into this series, the final product was masterfully crafted!
That was incredibly well produced. Thank you SB and thank you Seth for sharing this with us.
the way you all find and talk about the forgotten intricate details is phenomenal. 11/10
This is awesome. Nobody ever mentioned what Kobe said about Shaq paying off women.
Yeah, cause Kobe was the only one saying it
@@shoeboxbistro I think the argument was that the "Mamba" narrative never included those seemingly false allegations. Kobe presenting himself as a cultured Academy Award winner doesn't really vibe with "I falsely accused my teammate of also raping people to make myself look better"
Because the Cult of Kobe protects him. LA makes him sound like a fallen angel since his untimely demise. I have no idea if he actually r**ed that woman or not, but him saying he should have paid her off like Shaq pays off his side who**es was downright backstabbing and dark.
@goodturnbymacheda how did you hear "accusing my teammate of also raping"?
@@Oly1y Buying their silence in a hookup gone wrong. Same as settling out of court. Hush money.
He's comparing his case to Shaq, and he's being accused of rape.
Wiping off tears as I finished the series. Thanks SB
Man, if Shaq just stayed in shape. If Kobe just chilled out. So many what ifs in this story. But I guess it happened the way it was supposed to and the only way it ever could have. RIP Mamba
This was absolutely beautiful. Marvelous artwork done throughout this series @Secretbase
There was a time when Kobe and Shaq's relationship soured, but I'm glad they were able to reconcile later.
They didn’t have each other’s number when Kobe died. At least Shaq didn’t.
@@cbreezyShaqs son did tho? ion believe that
@@keitoncastillo3200 Believe what you want, it came out out his mouth
By far the best episode/ series in Beef History
By far - agreed.
Shaq: "He takes to many shots."
Kobe: "He doesn't get in shape."
Me: Both are valid
I used to not taking Shaq and Kobe's reconciliation seriously, thought it was just a natural development and that it was more of a PR thing as they had retired and needed more exposure and new chapters to remain on the news. now I look at people around me and realize making up with old friends is not easy, even if there are no grudges between them. people just drift apart and it takes some commitment reconnect. so I,m happy they had the chance and made the steps.
One of my favorite series on this channel, so incredibly directed and narrated, you guys did an amazing job
I know I may be a little late to the party as far as comments are concerned, but I just wanna say…I LOVED this Secret Base miniseries about Shaquille O’Neal and Kobe Bryant! 👍👍
Everything about this series was perfect. The recounting of Shaq & Kobe’s history as Lakers teammates. The excellently haunting piano music serving as the perfect background ambience. And last but not least, Seth Rosenthal’s gift for perfectly crafted writing and storytelling. I loved every minute of it.
Much love to you, Secret Base. Always. 💜💛
Phenomenal as always. Excellent work, Seth! I always hoped y'all would cover the Shaq-Kobe beef, and you've exceeded my wildest expectations.
this was beautifully rendered and thoughtfully written. i hope more sports content could be more like this in the future. really makes you appreciate the humanity beneath all the drama that gets thrown out into the media. a sincere thank you to the people who worked on this.
Amazing mini-series. Great work by everyone at Secret Base! Thank you all so much.
This was an amazing series. Job well done on telling one of the most compelling stories in the history of the NBA 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Absolute legends. Not just Shaq and Kobe, Secret Base too!
This series was simply beautiful. Thank you.
Every video lately has been absolute cinema keep up the good work boys
Seth deserves a raise. Such a good series
Y'all just made one of the best documentaries I ever seen
Now THIS is how you make a basket. Secret Base and Seth are the dynamic duo 💎
😢Made my cry and vulnerable watching this. Great work
This was beautiful. Thank you for doing this, y’all.
Beef history: Shawn Michaels vs Bret Hart
Secret Base always delivers!!!
REST IN PEACE MAMBA 🙏
Another Seth Rosenthal masterpiece. Keep up the good work SB x
This was an awesome series to watch. Thanks all!!
Seth created another masterpiece as per usual. This is truly remarkable
Thank you for the amazing mini series.
Don't even really like basketball, but this was an amazing series. Thank you so much!
Thanks for providing the public service, part entertainment part journalism, thanks very much.
Absolutely wonderful, Seth. I loved the ethereal classical piano accompaniment; it worked for every bit of the mellow, clear - yet still warm and emotive - vocal delivery that I so enjoy in the SB pieces narrated by Mr. Rosenthal. The musical score was also, I found, subtly evocative of the tragic circumstances we find ouselves in; quietly wistful, respectful of Bryant and of the many shattered by the loss of those who rode with him that day. It was never intrusive, never sappy, and only ever added to the absolutely stellar narration. It was, somehow, an aural salve; at least to me. This whole series, and in particular the superlative combination of Seth's storytelling and the extra-classy musical score, cumulatively, has been a very enjoyable portal through which to engage with both the subjective, individual personal memory, and objective history, available to all (plenty of which was totally new to me, for one). It was a pleasant look at a legacy - like the best of remembrances, this was a happy bit of reminiscing (with a pretty happy ending, all things considered). All deftly accomplished, I must reiterate; it felt good. Right. An unflinching look, yet as respectful as anyone has a right to expect, and sans the cheapening of any needless fluff or gratuitous titillation. It felt okay to put to the side, for a few moments, the still-raw shock, sadness, and disbelief, that I know I'm not alone in experiencing, when thinking of Kobe. As much as I expected this to draw tears from me, I was happily surprised that the warm ending left me simply... grateful. For getting to vicariously experience the singular mastery Kobe Bryant brought to his sport, in real time, and for the adroit guidance through our tour of selected parts, courtesy some of Secret Base's own standout talent.
In summary, this was, in my opinion, the best of Secret Base, née SB Nation; up there with the best Jon Bois projects (too many to mention only a couple), and the stellar _Fighting In The Age of Loneliness_ - this episodic treble will likely be joining those, as the latest addition to that catalog of perennially watchable/listenable/fall-asleep-to-able (in the best way) creative works, to which I always eventually return, to enjoy again, enhanced by my memories of wonderful inaugural viewings.
Way to nail it, Seth, and Secret Basemen & Secret Basewomen. The hard work surely resulted in a quality of end product which I have to assume you were all striving to reach, through your dedicated creative toilings. Take a victory lap, and take a break if it's in the cards. Bravo!
Dude, the ending man... SB, why you have to make me tear up over a sports documentary...
This series was amazing and well written! Enjoyed every minute! Thanks SB
Fantasric mini series guys, both informationally and emotionally. RIP Mamba and it is always crazy to think what could've been with those two
I always thought that this beef was missing from the catalogue, I’m happy it was finally done and in such great detail.
Reminds me of an old teammate of mine from high school quiz bowl (trivia game), we were a talented duo, had a great team around us over the years, but ultimately things happened, mistakes were made, things were said, and it ended poorly. Like those two, some things that occurred can't be taken back, and even after these years, there are regrets, things I wish I could take back, do differently.
Seth, stop making me cry man. I cried on Choosen, with Vince beef with Toronto and now this. Ur an extremely talented writer
I always take a helping of your beef, but this is by far and away your greatest serving yet. Really a piece of art. Thank you
Amazing series of videos. Secret Base never disappoints
Secret Base really threw the bag by not making this a Beef History. And yet, I think this is a more respectful way of navigating it.
what a great series, thanks so much for making these videos. look forward to watching anything you put out. so so well done
Its actually mind blowing that Kobe and Shaq were saying that stuff about each other days before the start of the season ! Back then though Kobe and Shaq beefin was just the norm and old news by that time in 2003 , imagine this day and age 2 superstars teammates beefin like that !