How to play Shogi(将棋) -Lesson#6- Capture and Drop

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  • Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
  • I'll show you how to capture and drop a piece.
    After I made this video, I noticed I've committed "two pawns in a file" (which is against the rules) in the example setup...
    Sorry (-o-;)

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  • @dariodesansebastian
    @dariodesansebastian 4 года назад +16

    Hello, Hidetchi san. As a chess player that is learning shogi, I've got to tell you that your content is awesome! Thanks for making our learning process easier with your great videos!

  • @HIDETCHI
    @HIDETCHI  15 лет назад +11

    As I've said in the video, you can drop it on any vacant square with only those exeption I've mentioned.
    And I've said that you drop a piece instead of moving a piece on the board, so that means when you have dropped a piece, you lose your turn to play and your opponent will make a play.

  • @HIDETCHI
    @HIDETCHI  15 лет назад +15

    Hi, thanks for your comment.
    We call it a "Komadai" in Japanese.

  • @superfullvic
    @superfullvic 15 лет назад +6

    I like the fact that you take your time to explain everything clearly and slowly. Thanks for your videos.

  • @HIDETCHI
    @HIDETCHI  15 лет назад +2

    Thanks for your kind comment.
    Hope you enjoy my future videos, too.

  • @k13scdude
    @k13scdude 13 лет назад +21

    We call it a "tray" in English.
    when you capture the pieces.
    Hope that helps

  • @graceoverall
    @graceoverall 14 лет назад +2

    At 2:37 we (western America) usually call a spot like that a "graveyard." Because it's like we have killed the opponent piece and it goes to rest in the graveyard. This may not fit well since the pieces can come back in Shogi, but perhaps it still works.

  • @srbilzin5886
    @srbilzin5886 3 года назад +2

    Thanks for these videos man, I hope you return to making videos at some point.

  • @HIDETCHI
    @HIDETCHI  15 лет назад +4

    We always use Chinese characters in Japan. The meaning of each character is the same between China and Japan.
    These shogi pieces are invented in Japan, but it's just that we named them with Chinese characters as we always do.

  • @hirohiigo
    @hirohiigo 11 лет назад +2

    It all depends on the position on the board. Sometimes a knight is the most valuable piece in a mating sequence, sometimes a pawn is the most valuable.

  • @WalkerRIley
    @WalkerRIley 15 лет назад +2

    I believe it literally translates as "Shogi piece table" or something similar, so hidetchi's term was spot on. Though calling it a jail would be humorous.

  • @UkisoulE
    @UkisoulE 7 лет назад +2

    your videos are simply fantastic, really appreciate it!

  • @HIDETCHI
    @HIDETCHI  15 лет назад +3

    You drop a piece always with its unpromoted side up. I thought I mentioned it in this video. If we could drop pieces with them promoted, we'd have many Golds to drop and it would be a strange game.
    Oh, and RUclips notifies the uploaders with e-mail alert when a new comment has been posted. So don't worry about the video being too old to have a new comment noticed.

  • @occasusdeorum3158
    @occasusdeorum3158 5 лет назад +3

    Crazyhouse and Bughouse (Chess Variants): when dropping a piece

  • @iLuvHinata360
    @iLuvHinata360 14 лет назад +1

    nice, spawning was doubtfull in some occasions, thank you for clearing it out ^^, Hidetchi sensei.

  • @HIDETCHI
    @HIDETCHI  16 лет назад +4

    Hi, thanks for leaving a comment.
    I didn't understand what Mandarin Chinese means at first, but after I looked it up in my dictionary, I noticed it's the language spoken in Beijing area. It's Pu-Tong-Hua, right?
    Oh, you learn Chinese by only using pinyin? So you mean you basically don't use Chinese characters and just use alphabets, like "Ni Hao, Wo Shi Zhon-Guo-Ren"? Hmmm, I see.

  • @Haplo-san
    @Haplo-san 3 года назад

    Ahh, after the coolness of "#4 - Special Lesson" I was expecting to learn some hissatsu waza upon capturing but this was a bit anticlimactic. In chess you kick, punch and Kinniku Buster your opponent's piece with your piece, then take them. It feels very good. :D

  • @hybridcarbatteries
    @hybridcarbatteries 8 лет назад +3

    I'll show you how to capture and drop a piece.
    After I made this video, I noticed I've committed "two pawns in a file" (which is against the rules) in the example setup...
    Sorry (-o-;) sure you are

  • @Michail_Chatziasemidis
    @Michail_Chatziasemidis 3 года назад +2

    You could say that I saw the whole video just for the last advice. Actually, I'm left-handed 😅

  • @trumpeter811
    @trumpeter811 13 лет назад

    The single act of dropping makes this game like 100X more fun then chess or checkers

  • @KuroeKnight
    @KuroeKnight 11 лет назад +1

    Just wondering, what's your view on chess? You probably already got asked this question, so I apologize if this seems redundant. Oh you, and the anime Shion No Ou, both got me into this really awesome game, so thanks!

  • @HIDETCHI
    @HIDETCHI  15 лет назад +3

    You drop a piece always with its unpromoted side up. So you'll have to wait for the next move to make it promoted.

  • @aservant1284
    @aservant1284 2 года назад

    Thank you hidetchi

  • @hirohiigo
    @hirohiigo 14 лет назад

    @minicm122 It depends on what you want to do with it. I have both sets; I bring the travel-sized set everywhere with me. But the size of a sit-down set is easier to play with.

  • @hirohiigo
    @hirohiigo 13 лет назад

    @TinyViet1990 You use "furigoma," or pawn toss. Details can be found in lesson 21. :)

  • @TheRaggetyDoctor
    @TheRaggetyDoctor 11 лет назад +1

    Thank you for making these videos. One of my friends is an avid shogi player, and he wanted to get me into it, so i started watching these videos. It seems alot more tactical than chess, but i guess that's just me. I'll have to start saving up for my own board and pieces, but for the mean time i guess i can just play against my friend. Thank you again. Also, where is a trusted place to buy a board and pieces in the US? Anyone?

  • @minicm122
    @minicm122 14 лет назад

    Is it better to get a travel kit for Shogi, or the one where you need to sit and play?

  • @HallowedError
    @HallowedError 14 лет назад

    I just tried to watch a championship video and before they started one guy shook a bunch of pawns like dice and let them go and then set them up again. Is there an explanation or was it just tradition?

  • @occasusdeorum3158
    @occasusdeorum3158 5 лет назад +1

    Ryou's work has never done

  • @jamesmonge7582
    @jamesmonge7582 2 года назад

    So basically when I capture a piece of my opponent it becomes mine? (I’m just starting to play this, it’s great, also seeing it was made 13 years ago)

  • @HIDETCHI
    @HIDETCHI  15 лет назад +1

    Hi. It's just that you always drop a piece with its unpromoted side up.

  • @13saturnus
    @13saturnus 11 лет назад +1

    Thanks a lot for your videos. They make it really easy to understand how to play shogi. Still I got a question because of one move you showed in this video. At 4:20 you moved your bishop and promoted it, after you captured a promoted piece. Does a piece promote after capturing a promoted piece? Or is it because it reached enimies camp?

    • @butterflyspinart
      @butterflyspinart 7 лет назад +1

      13saturnus A promoted piece promoted because it reached, moved within, or out of the enemy camp. After promoting, it remains promoted and may capture.

    • @dominicstewart-guido7598
      @dominicstewart-guido7598 6 лет назад

      You can promote a peice when you move to, in, or out of the enemy camp, in this case he moved out of the enemy camp, so he promoted.

  • @hirohiigo
    @hirohiigo 13 лет назад

    @seishinryohosha It's not against the rules to do that, but it's common courtesy to move your opponent's piece to your komadai before even touching your piece.

  • @jjblades1010220
    @jjblades1010220 15 лет назад

    Hey thanks for the video again Hidetchi, but what is the name of the piece stand in Japanese, I'm curious. I wouldn't understand the Japanese letters but how could I spell/pronounce it in english.

  • @hirohiigo
    @hirohiigo 13 лет назад

    @EmperorTaizong No. It can only capture directly forward.

  • @HIDETCHI
    @HIDETCHI  14 лет назад +1

    See lesson#21.

  • @hirohiigo
    @hirohiigo 14 лет назад

    @winedragon No. The piece have to move AFTER being dropped to promote.

  • @brydon10
    @brydon10 7 лет назад

    When can I promote a dropped piece? The next move I make with it? Let's say I dropped a pawn on the 7th rank. Then my opponent makes a move. My next move, can I promote and THEN move the pawn? Thanks.

  • @rusca8
    @rusca8 13 лет назад +1

    @HIDETCHI but not a pawn, right?

  • @teeny13021
    @teeny13021 11 лет назад +1

    you could call the stand the Drop stand or drop box :D

  • @SuperPainter2
    @SuperPainter2 11 лет назад

    u might have said this in the video but when you place a piece down does that count as a turn or can u move after u place it

  • @winedragon
    @winedragon 14 лет назад

    I want to ask, what happens if you capture a piece, and then put it on the enemy's camp can you promote it immediatly?

  • @xDAZZE
    @xDAZZE 15 лет назад

    So you can even put a drop, for example, a Flying Chariot, right in front of a king and put it in check, or also promote it in the same turn that it was dropped?

  • @HIDETCHI
    @HIDETCHI  14 лет назад +3

    You can't, of course.
    Check is ou-te, checkmate is tsumi.

    • @AirKing69
      @AirKing69 3 года назад +1

      Hello HIDETCHI just want to say i hope you're doing well even though this video is over 12 years old xD i hope you're doing good thanks for these videos.

  • @KampungJering
    @KampungJering 14 лет назад

    Hey. Can I ask you something? Let say I have a Pawn in hand. I want to drop my Pawn in the opponent camp. Once I drop my pawn, can I straight away promote it? By the way, how to say "check" and "checkmate" in Japanese?

  • @MXdetty
    @MXdetty 15 лет назад

    its starting to get complicatet and yes what hapens when you put a pice in enemys camp dose it promote ore do you have to wait?

  • @HIDETCHI
    @HIDETCHI  14 лет назад +1

    @p90killsyou Of course

  • @p90killsyou
    @p90killsyou 14 лет назад

    wait could you drop a piece to a position that puts ur enemy king in check or even checkmate???

  • @Tenchua917
    @Tenchua917 4 года назад

    If you "drop" a piece can you immediately promote it? Or you have to wait another turn to promote? And once you promote a piece on the enemy camp, can you also immediately move it or you also have to wait another turn to move it? Thanks for the guides, I really wanna learn japanese chess or "shogi" since it looks more complicated than regular chess, and seems fun to come up with strategies on how to win the game

    • @deutschamerikaner
      @deutschamerikaner 4 года назад +1

      Pieces can promote once they move into one of the last three ranks, but dropping doesn’t count. Say that you dropped a pawn in the third to last rank (the one enemy pawns start in). If you had *moved* a pawn there it could have been promoted, but since you *dropped* it you couldn’t promote it the same turn. However, next turn you may move your pawn forward once and promote it if you desire.

    • @Tenchua917
      @Tenchua917 4 года назад

      @@deutschamerikaner Ahh thank you so much!!!!!

    • @deutschamerikaner
      @deutschamerikaner 4 года назад

      No problem. I’m new to shogi too so I know the feeling.

  • @HIDETCHI
    @HIDETCHI  15 лет назад +1

    Oh, nothing's wrong.
    How you drop is explained from 5:08.

  • @raydeld
    @raydeld 15 лет назад

    omg i wanna play you so bad even tho i know i would lose :P but atleast i learn from the best :D

  • @pikapower427
    @pikapower427 15 лет назад

    I think there is something wrong, In the video at 5:08, I can't hear anything. How do you drop a piece?

  • @samyaksingh7586
    @samyaksingh7586 4 года назад

    Shikamaru. I'm coming

  • @feilox
    @feilox 12 лет назад

    @HIDETCHI so can i place it 1 space before promotion?

  • @hirohiigo
    @hirohiigo 14 лет назад

    I don't think it should be called a graveyard. Shogi soldiers are never killed, so there is no need for graves. It also makes the game too grim. It just doesn't match the atmosphere of shogi. ^^; We just call them piece stands, or just "komadai."

  • @stevenditchman6789
    @stevenditchman6789 11 лет назад

    you rock

  • @thephoenix4ever
    @thephoenix4ever 16 лет назад

    actually I'm left handed it seems easier to move the pieces with it cause I write with it (I take Mandarin Chinese at my school so I know how to write some basic things like "Ni or something but I'm better with pinyin lol.

  • @Gundam4life
    @Gundam4life 14 лет назад

    @graceoverall
    i think "jail" could work to

  • @christopherjohnson1873
    @christopherjohnson1873 8 лет назад

    Why would somebody want to drop a pawn on the last rank anyway?

    • @butterflyspinart
      @butterflyspinart 8 лет назад +5

      Maybe to block a check

    • @TheTinyAngry
      @TheTinyAngry 6 лет назад

      butterflyspinart ur right on the blocking part but I doubt anyone would block a check cuz very rarely in fact almost never in shogi will u find ur king on the last rank XD

  • @Ancor3
    @Ancor3 11 лет назад

    Hearing this, isn't it then true that the Knight is invaluable for delivering checkmate, since it cant be blocked?

    • @TheTinyAngry
      @TheTinyAngry 6 лет назад

      Afro Samurai yes as the enemy would have to either capture the knight or move the king a common tactic is where u pin the piece that can capture the knight and after the king moves drop a gold to where the king was before the check it's RLY effective :D

    • @illogical1421
      @illogical1421 5 лет назад

      It's just like in Chess and Shogi's knight is weaker.

  • @NunoPiera
    @NunoPiera 8 лет назад

    can i dorp a piece to capture other?
    like dropping in the spot of a enemy piece

    • @user-gu3gk9sz7r
      @user-gu3gk9sz7r 8 лет назад +2

      +Beyond The Universe No, you can drop a piece only on an empty square.

    • @BaconHat
      @BaconHat 8 лет назад

      +Beyond The Universe no

    • @hahabanero
      @hahabanero 7 лет назад

      and on one spot before enemy piece (so I can take his piece in my next round?), for example pawn ahead of a knight (to force knight go forward or capture in my next round)?

    • @Twist3dLogic
      @Twist3dLogic 7 лет назад +1

      Yes, you can do that. It is actually used in many strategies. You cannot, however, use a pawn drop to put the king in checkmate (you cannot end the game on a pawn drop).

    • @hahabanero
      @hahabanero 7 лет назад

      ***** thanks for answer

  • @MộtBóngTối
    @MộtBóngTối 3 года назад

    Dảk wa

  • @yugiohfan101ful
    @yugiohfan101ful 8 лет назад

    Does dropping a piece take up your turn?

    • @user-gu3gk9sz7r
      @user-gu3gk9sz7r 8 лет назад +3

      +Animeloverotaku yes

    • @BaconHat
      @BaconHat 8 лет назад

      +Animeloverotaku You should probably know by now, but the answer is yes.

    • @yugiohfan101ful
      @yugiohfan101ful 8 лет назад

      ***** Yes I figured it out, by how OP it can be,

  • @graceoverall
    @graceoverall 14 лет назад

    I suppose you're right, haha. ^.^

  • @hansmahr8627
    @hansmahr8627 9 лет назад

    I was interested in learning something about shogi but I give up. I can't remember which piece is which or rather: it costs a lot of time so that I have no idea what goes on in a position. When I look at a chess board I immediately understand what's going on, here it's just chaos. Of course it's possible if you put a lot of time in it but I don't have that time. Go seems much more accessible to a westerner.

    • @hahabanero
      @hahabanero 7 лет назад

      Great lessons, I have one question: Can I drop piece on one spot before enemy piece (so I can take his piece in my next round?), for example pawn ahead of a knight (to force knight go forward or capture in my next round)?

    • @stevenxia2944
      @stevenxia2944 7 лет назад

      Don't worry, I'm from China, I found it's challenging to learn it too. It's way more complicated than international chess and Chinese chess. The promotion, drop rules are the tricky parts.

  • @qqcu1
    @qqcu1 14 лет назад +1

    The captive is brainwashed and used again as a spy. lol

  • @pikapower427
    @pikapower427 15 лет назад

    ?? oh thanks xD

  • @szigo3211
    @szigo3211 4 года назад

    2:36 STANDO?!

  • @pimporosz
    @pimporosz 15 лет назад

    You should call the piece stand jail.

  • @juicyplayz125
    @juicyplayz125 8 лет назад

    when are you allowed to drop a piece

    • @Horzinicla
      @Horzinicla 8 лет назад +1

      In any of your turns

    • @TheTinyAngry
      @TheTinyAngry 6 лет назад

      Horzinicla in addition as long as u have a piece and it has a legal drop :D

  • @mambojambo987
    @mambojambo987 11 лет назад

    Except the Pawn. Look at lesson #9.

    • @LendonRyukira
      @LendonRyukira 4 года назад +1

      two pawn on a file hahahaha yes i came back to check here

    • @TrollAxeThrower
      @TrollAxeThrower 4 года назад

      @@LendonRyukira :)

  • @wertez9129
    @wertez9129 4 года назад

    I started plaing shogi because of the anime... wow im loser