Adaptive Revolution - Custom VR Mask II
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- This time out I’m revisiting the custom generated VR facemask concept, making a version for the Quest 3. Going to cover 3D scanning, 3D printing, Custom Generated Consumer products and the future of Industrial Design.
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00:00 - Intro
00:29 - Project Overview
02:16 - Custom Generated Consumer Products
03:47 - Mask Generation Outline
04:18 - Types of 3D Scanner
05:37 - Reverse Engineering
08:06 - iPhone Face Scan
08:58 - Landmark Generation
09:48 - Rhino/Grasshopper
15:00 - Lattice Generation
17:08 - Gasket Lip Design
18:08 - Glasses Variant
18:44 - UI Creation
19:29 - Start to Finish Build
20:08 - Form 4 Printing
22:00 - Wear Testing
24:37 - Photo Review
25:22 - Closing Thoughts 
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A research group making prosthetic legs from 3D scans found that the sockets were more comfortable if they used hard materials against soft flesh and soft materials against hard bone. They used a device with tons of actuators and force sensors to measure the squishiness of different areas on the stump.
Who are you?? How is your work so advanced? What a joy to discover your content it has been
This is a really awesome video. It's so rare to see such great descriptions like this of complex design workflows. These usually get skipped in favor of mechanical build and testing footage, so its refreshing to see such a skilled creator walk through the intent.
The thing is that when you’re working with rigid materials you usually think “oh it’ll start to get uncomfortable cause of it’s not going to squish at all.” But in this case because it’s perfectly formed to the shape of your face there’s not really any pressure points or other places for it to start becoming uncomfortable. And the solid material allows for way better breathability because it doesn’t squish to your face. The rigidity also likely makes the whole experience feel more real because it always will move exactly with your face
that's what author said..
This approach works if you have uniform stiffness of the soft tissues of your face, but in reality there is only a thin layer of skin on your forehead, and there is still a layer of muscle and subcutaneous fat on your cheekbones/cheeks. And if the pressure on the forehead can be great, then the pressure under the eyes must be much weaker in order to feel comfortable.
VR helmet masks are soft not only to fit different face types, but also to compensate for the pressure on different parts.
Great walkthrough of the Grasshopper definition.
Yet again an incredible video. You are leaps and bounds beyond any creator I know of in terms of raw skill. It's just not that often that people with 15+ years of experience branch out to become content creators. It would be super interesting to see a video of you talking about your education / career and to kind of touch on where you picked up your unique blend of skills.
It's very inspiring to see someone who is just very very good at what they do. Thanks for sharing.
Another jawdropping design video, I did expect a custom mask suited for your need but not a procedural application that could uses anyone's 3D scan to get their own custom model. I did a little bit of 3D too but I didn't know you could use nodes that way. This is amazing. Love the vids and all the details around the technical challenge you faced.
you did everything to automatically pop these out on demand but didn't set up a website for people to send their face scans and money to? why?
Right?! I feel like you could make quite a bit of cash with minimal additional effort here. Have people send face scans, send back 3D models for them to print. Charge like maybe $20 a pop for what doesn’t seem to take you long at all (set up the landmarks). Even just do a limited run so it doesn’t become a time sink for you. Maybe like one order window, and then if that isn’t burdensome and makes you some money then open up another order window or a reoccurring one (like orders open 1 week every 3 or 6 months). It would I believe gen some extra income for you AND the community would really appreciate it. It would also likely grow your channel. Actually you could make it a member reward for a certain number of months of membership to tie that in to passive income generation.
I need this. How do I give you money?
because the bro is cool and that should be enough
Even more, since this can be optimized for FDM, there are alot of people with good 3d printers in virtually any area. So shipping would be a non-issue. I know previously print on demand affiliate networks didn't catch on, but that was before bamu labs made high quality high speed 3d printing a standard
Please make this happen! If you’ve heard of Oblik, you know how much better this option is to theirs.
Damn that first headset looks like something from the year 3000
You have no comprehension of what that would be like.
@@covertdre dude what is ur problem plus ur not some time traveller either
@@chrisbaillie9902 he is
Big screen beyond headsets are each custom, and Apple Vision Pro has a large variety of face interfaces and straps for different faces.
I need this on my face!
Your creation & innovation is an INSPIRATION. Thank you & please continue raising the bar🔥
glad to see more stuff from you! always a blast watching these videos
We need this for FPV goggles !!
Really cool project. Do you intend to make the files available? I only have an FDM printer but I think it would be sufficient to get a good quality result.
Fantastic, I hope you open up a shop and expand to other HMD's. Super impressive
Are you planning to sell this as a service? Or are you going to give this to the community? I have a Quest Pro but this would make a nice replacement for the silicone mask. The ventilation holes are a great idea.
This is awesome! Would love to buy one once I get a quest 3
Custom fit products do exist in several categories. People get ear impressions taken for hearing devices, noise protection devices, and stage monitor headphones. In that case as well, one would think it might get uncomfortable because it's a rigid casting, but it's not since it's shaped to your actual ear canal. I wonder, there have to be several more niche categories. Well, teeth crowns/implants. What else?
Something to keep in mind though that even after machine curing cycle the resin may still not be fully inert and may be releasing hazardous chemicals, from what i heard. Might take an extra few weeks until it's safe beyond all doubt.
Thing I'm excited about is the automation side. Most custom fit products require a lot of effort by specialized staff with hands on 3d modeling & scan processing. As a result, they are really expensive and have long lead times. Automated solutions like this can drive the price of custom products way down and are much more scalable on the business side of things.
Fair point on reading the spec sheets for resins in applications like this. There are a bunch of resins out there that are FDA approved skin safe, some are even rated for Class III use for medical implants.
Excellent visual descriptions and additive graphics. I loved this whole video. Well done!
Nice job! Very cool to see the detailed walkthrough of the design and software!
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Amazing. Love it, good work👍
you are so cool. Very inspiring to see someone this proficient in a specific field!
Phenomenal work! I'd much prefer a bit of light leakage (which I assume is minimal and goes unnoticed because it comes from multiple tiny points of the lattice), because it seems that this should eliminate fogging of displays completely. And what an amazing skillset you have, hats off to you!
Thanks! I'm probably going to revisit this one at some point in the future to do some light leakage tests. The resin color has a big effect on the light penetration (darker color = better) but I also wanted to mess around with increasing the strut diameter & density near closer to the front of the mask. I was starting to get into that at the 16:32 mark but wanted to wrap things up on the project for now.
Wow, awesome stuff!
New PyottDesign video 🥳🥳🥳
Wow you are an expert on grasshopper as well.
So cool! Your channel should be more popular-
Dude, you’re such an inspiration. Fantastic work as always ❤
This is incredible! Watching the progress was so interesting to see. I would be so interested in buying something like this, I hope you really make it publicly available one way or another
That looks awesome
great work
This is incredible work!
This is incredible work but I think most people want their facial interface to block as much ambient light as possible. And this mesh lattice design is definitely not doing that haha.
You’re so incredibly skilled, it’s crazy lol
Amazing
awesome ❤
can i send you a scan and buy a mask file from you?
Put me on the list too. Covering shipping and no returns.
Pyott damn thats hella cool
You gotta start selling these! I would buy one in an instant! If you are concerned about the 3D printing distribution, purchasing just the stl to be printed could also be a great option. I would prefer that as I already have access to 3D printers to print one!
That's so cool! I'm interested in getting something like this for the Vision pro.
I like the idea of complete customization. I wonder if you could add some “meta material” properties to the print that amplify the elasticity of the plastic you’re using. Also would be cool if you could gather a number of facial scans and come up with the 10 closest designs that get you 95% of the way there. You’d just need some way to fit people that do their own phone scans to one of those designs. Finally I’d be worried about switching these out for a shared device. Maybe another interface that’s part of the mask to switch these out for multiple people.
Would love this for my quest 3 and also to make custom windproof/dry eye glasses.
yay new vid
I did something similar for the DJI goggles 2, fdm printed in varioshore tpu, which you can tune to be pretty marshmallow soft by underextruding and overheating it. The filament has an additive that foams when overheated.
Mine was made in a combo of blender and fusion and is a one off but it’s a huge improvement over the pos that comes with the headset. I think yours is way better. I hope you’ll do more headsets, I’d certainly pay a lot for custom vr adapters and I have several vr headsets. The world needs this
Oh one lesson I learned is that the 3d face scan is not a reliable shape for the mask because different parts of your face are squishy and other parts are firm, so you have to overbuild in some areas and under build in others. Your forehead is hard, your cheeks are soft, your nose is soft but don’t squish it because that gets old fast
Another great video! Love the amount of details in this one!
I'm sure this is better than any solution out there. A potential problem I could see is the interface surface itself is not very breathable. I wonder if there's a way to integrate fabric into it. Creating custom form fitting fabric template sounds very difficult and interesting.
Can we send you a scan and buy the stl for a custom mask we can print at home? 😀
Excellent presentation, keep up the good work! Greetings from Japan.
You gotta post the files for this, incredible work!
I've printed my own face scanned Pico 4 head gasket.
But the only real way to achieve anything worthwhile would be the subtractive process. A 6 axis CNC drill and some foam I think.
That's awesome, have you posted your Pico 4 project anywhere? Always love to see different build solutions.
I am totally guessing here but I *think* Big Screen Beyond uses a 3 axis CNC to make their gaskets. I'm personally more bullish on 3D printed additive solutions for custom consumer products. It opens up so many more options in both material properties and design. I get the feeling most companies shy away from 3D printed generative designs because they think they have to hire large (and expensive) dev teams to get the project done. Node based solutions like Grasshopper really make it financially possible imo.
Oooohh yessssss like hot gravy over my brain!! Thank you! And Pssst, with your fabricated headset, can you do night vision cameras?? Or better yet, thermal??? Both!! I want Predator vision!!! ❤❤❤❤
Another extremely high quality video, absolutely amazing and I think you deserve way more subscribers
you posted that comment 1 minute after the video aired. there is NO way you even know if its an "amazing video" or not cuz you DID NOT watch it fully
@@libero2711_ what's your problem cos there's clearly something else bothering you for you to be so angry. Fine jeez I didn't watch the whole video but the bit I watched was great. I hope you felt better to point such an unnecessary thing out
I’ve been using the standard interface for hours a day for months, and this really makes me want to buy a form4 (oh sh*t this is pretty expensive!) and all the tools to replicate this… or you know, just send you a scan and money to get my own without the hassle 😆.
Fantastic work.
Make this a business dude!
I took a stab at doing something like this, but my attempt was way less sophisticated. I certainly didn't build any sort of general purpose solution. I took a scan of my face with meshroom, took a Quest 2 face gasket model from thingiverse, made a shape that could fit between them, then cut away my face. I did most of this in Fusion 360, which was *really* badly suited to it--it really struggles with anything with a lot of vertexes. My end result was not really usuable for three reasons. First, I didn't get the alignment quite right; I based the orientation mainly off the nose, but it turns out my nose doesn't point quite straight, so I ended up with the headset slightly misaligned. Second, I messed up the scale very slightly, so it fits well close to the center, but sticks out a bit from the sides of my head. Third, I didn't leave a big enough cutout for my nose. The scan of course wants to press right up against my nose, but that feels terrible.
I've been meaning to take another stab at it, but I've been trying to think about how I could improve my workflow (specifically, how to avoid Fusion 360 for the boolean bits). I'm thinking Blender may be the way to go. Rhino is way too expensive for my purposes.
I also printed mine on an FDM printer, which meant I needed to add a thin foam layer. This protects against the layer lines.
I'd love it if you made a web tool that would take a face scan and output a printable file, though. If you do, maybe provide an option to turn off the mesh for those of us using FDM, though--that would be basically a printing torture test for FDM. You could add a few air holes for ventilation, maybe, but hundreds of fine-diameter structures would just print badly on most filament machines.
Great video! Thanks for sharing.
Awesome, as a snorkel / scuba hobbyist i would love to have a perfectly formed dive mask that doesnt leak or fog. with that backend infrastructure you could even just sell the 3d files generated by it to someone that sends you a facescan meaning no manufacturing or shipping costs. Very cool
Yep, there are so many industries where custom products would be amazing; respiratory and other safety gear, aerospace, medical devices, performance sports, repetitive strain injury prone devices, etc. Surprising bottleneck for consumer products is getting a good scan. The scanning process really needs to be curated through an app and have redundancies to make sure your getting good data.
@@PyottDesign maker space near me has just bought some new sort of 3d scanner that apparently is a top end one and they charge basically nothing to use it. Im not sure on the specifics as it is currently not in my skillset to use such a device but have heard good things from people. If more things like that happen then maybe the bottleneck will widen.
You should sell these masks
I wish there was one of these for the index also
I want one for my AVP! lol. Though I just got word, and my MQ3 says he'd also like one!
Can you make a tool, website, or something, to allow us to create the face scan and generate the file to print? Lots of us have 3d printers and would be super interested in trying this out with different materials. I've tried a couple of facial interfaces on my quest 3 and none fully covers my face, and suffer of light leak - This project os yours is very interesting for me!
Check out the Custom Slimterface for the Beyond, neat project
nice stealth merch ad. 4D Chess, man.
I’m glad someone noticed that 😁
I would use the word "fitted", or "custom fitted" personally.
i oh so need this for my index, i just recently picked it back up and it does nothing but rub my cheekbones raw this would solve most all of my headset issues!
Impressive project. Seems like a bad idea to make it white and with holes though. Wouldn't external light be able to hit the lens and along with lights from the the screen make the inside of the headset visible? Also pressure on your cheeks usually means the top strap is set too slack. You can actually transfer almost all pressure to your forehead with the top strap.
Wow.. not even a tip box.. I don’t own a resin printer but man does this make me want to buy one right now, I don’t even own the headset yet either
How about we go ahead and do something similar for the back of the head? Then, in theory, you can distribute the entire weight of the headset as much as possible
Love your format and videos would like to see details grasshopper lecture from you 🎉
It would be awesome if someone could make an APP from this that would kick out a STL people can 3D print!
I would literally buy one for an index which is notorious for slipping and having a small sweet spot. Literally would pay $100 for one.
He'd likely want a good bit more than that, but it'll become a market at some point.
will this ever be available to the public?
I would also love to buy for the STL, when I send you a 3D scan of my face. 🙂
Bump for the algorithm! Also a lot of usefull comments here
I have problems with face gaskets all the time I need a custom solution like this but I dont have a 3d printer I've considered even buying a beyond headset just for the custom fit
This is fantastic. It would be nice if the method would work on FFF. What about light leak?
Here you can say “This is amazing Johnny”❤❤❤
How I can order this gasket from you ?? 50-100$ - ok !!!!
any chance this would be available for use of some kind? i have a form 3 and quest 3 and such, and would really love to try this idea out, though i dont have access to rhino. is there any plans to maybe make this tool available on github as a software stack app or something like that?
Please, make it accessible for others to use!
(perhaps make it behind the paywall)
Please make this a real product I need it
Another absolute banger of a video! Have you though about selling these custom inserts on something like patreon maybe?
bro you could actually sell this software to someone like Oblik design who are making these already. Id buy one !
This is really impressive! Any way I can get one for myself? Preferably the STL so I can get it printed somewhere
Bobovr no gasket required. Floats in front of you face. I will never go back to a gasket.
I would like to make a lighter Quest 3 by tethering away the internal battery.
Would love to get the stl for my face, how about making a shop where you input the facescan and then youre getting the stl for printing?
Excellent job! Could this enhance the field of view? It seems slimmer than the standard version. Also, is there a light leakage issue given that the material is somewhat translucent and due to the holes in the mask?
Thanks! This setup let me dial in my eye relief (distance from eyes to lenses) which gave me a better FOV than the stock mask for sure.
Light leakage is a great question. The white prints definitely had a soft glow all around the edge of my vision. It would probably drive some people crazy but I actually like it that way. It felt like it decreased eye strain compared to usual blackout gaskets. I tested some darker color prints that dumped down the light leakage a bunch and the lattice density can be adjusted to block out more ambient light too. Something I want to keep playing around with for sure!
Can we buy the program or as the other commenter mentioned have a website that prints it and ships (or at the model if printing and shipping is too much/would be an additional cost)
I've heard lots of people recommending Oblik, personally this looks wayy better but isnt commercially available (at least not yet.) are there any other good custom facial interfaces> Should I was till more progress is made on this one?
This is amazing! Is there any way i can pay you for a stl for my face, so i can print it myself? :)
I wonder if this setup could be adapted to blender so that Rbino wouldn’t be needed
Do you have any plans to release the rhino grasshopper file so people can generate their own masks?
At what point do you just get a team of 600 guys. Just create and distribute these products you keep making?
please can we get an update to how you are finding the custom controller? i wanna see if ps aand xbox are gunna want to invest lol
How does the ventilation affect light bleeding in?
is there any lightbleed? interested in making something similar
Instantly clicked like before the video started! ❤
What about printing PLA on a FDM printer?
Does it let in a lot of light?
The white version I tested lets in a noticeable ambient glow in brightly lit rooms. I tested a grey version that blocked way more light. I think a black version with a slightly denser lattice would be comparable to a stock solid gasket.
I am sorry if you answered this before. But how safe is cured resin touching your skin?
It's a good question and there's a lot of confusion around exposure safety with resin printers becoming more common. There are so many types of resins that, unfortunately, there isn’t a simple yes/no answer to the skin safety question. With wearable products like this you always want to use resins that have met some of the ISO 10993 standards. Particularly ISO 10993-5 which tests cytotoxicity (is it toxic to cells) and ISO 10993-10 that tests for skin irritation.
These tests are pretty expensive and take a long time to get done so many low cost resins don't have them. Doesn't necessarily mean that an uncertified resin is a toxic skin irritant, just that it hasn't been tested. Resins also have different risk factors in their uncured liquid state and their cured (post polymerized) state. It's common for resins to be listed as a skin irritant in their liquid form but be safe once fully cured.
Even further complicating all this, some people just have polymer allergies (latex, misc. plastics, etc.). So a resin can pass all the ISO tests as a non-skin irritant but then cause an allergic reaction in someone which results in, you guessed it, skin irritation.
@@PyottDesign Thank you for the thorough answer! I wasn't not able to find this information from anywhere trusted online. Thank you again and keep up the amazing work 👏