As a complement to this: start with an audio drum loop, then use Ableton's audio-to-midi on it, then send that to the drum machine. I'm guessing Ableton will use a fixed target drum rack for this, so the note mapping would be the same for any audio drum loop!
Thanx buddy Also If you find .Kar files and change the extension to .mid you can strip the midi data of any song you can find a karaoke file for This is a great way to grab stems from different songs that share the same key for making midi mashups
Hey :) Could you please tell me how are you able to send midi notes to the audio tracks in the digitakt? i thought this is not possible? Would really appreciate the answer
I believe that in the MIDI project settings you can set the MIDI channels for the audio track. So presumably they are all here set on one channel, but yes, that doesn't explain how this one channel can trigger a different audio track. Unless, each track was also set to a different tune somehow?
A program that did the same thing as the Toontrack EZ drummer 2 used to come with the purchase of the Arsenal M-Audio Trigger Finger pro talk that was an intelligent library of loops, sample, clips and came along with the soft Air Drums ToolRoom of the year 2013.
really helpful video. i was thinking how to find a this kind of workflow but i dont have much experiences about those drum machines. i dont even know ableton has such a translotr feature. this is a great way to hack things. thank you so so much. your videos always so informative!
As said elsewhere, this is a very 80’s programming trick, but it’s very good to have this in a modern video since a lot of older programming knowledge has been lost over time because of VHS conversion and advances in the language we use to talk about music gear changing. It’s serendipitous that you made this, though. I’m gonna be buying an Analog RYTM mkII soon and I do a lot of programming on Ableton’s timeline, and wanna use it live as a drum module.
Hello, great tutorial. I would like to use a groovebox as a backing device for live bass and vocal performances. Does this method also work with midi tracks like guitar, or keys, for example?
These all are 80ies midi tricks. Which are nice, and people should know them, don't get me wrong, but why manufacturers still segragate software and hardware is beyond me. I mean for a long time I was on a steady diet of rack midi modules, alesis mmt 8, Yamaha QY, 4 track cassette, 8 track cassette, stompboxes etc. When it comes to do actual work, its always ableton, and recently I've pulled a trigger for push. Ableton + push is a combo that got me through tight dealines, theathre productions, live sets, studio work etc. etc. etc. Any drummachine is sitting there unused (at least its pattern/song mode), unless it has fast to access sounds. Its ok to use bare-bone sound generators like volca kick, jomox mbase, etc. Its almost modular approach, where audio interface outputs just clicks for generators to trigger. And again, its all run from push, as it is real centerpiece for me. Standalone boxes can't be beaten in live environment, though. What I would've liked to see is an interconnected system, where pattern in a drummachine is a reflection of ableton's clip, and vise-versa. Imagine if you had the ability to have two way street with hardware, as with software instruments. Oh, and creating audio track to hear your boxes as well as midi clip is retarded in 2019. That's why I still think its all a hobby shopping and not serious work - its just unpractical. 90 % of the time its software and as a cherry on top some quirky sound from very specific analog/whatever piece.
mic indir as much as I love my DT and Circuit, you might be right... I get so much work done (and so much more quickly) in Reason10 or LPX. Something about Ableton is off-putting for me visually, but I sometimes envy the workflow. I’m happy to have my DeepMind12 and Blofeld, because I can treat them like acoustic instruments and record them live instead of programming midi if I want to lay down an idea quickly. Digitakt? Nothing quick about exporting from that box!
@@JamieClark I'd say its ableton only worth getting into if its a push+software package. For me 'live' is indispensible for live performance. There's just no competition in that field. And creating in ableton live from the start removes the export bit, which makes studio to live process much quicker. So one feeds the other and vice-versa. I'd say I use ableton live 50/50 with reaper. Reaper is a daw I use when you record (audio) performance or arrange/write songs. Ableton live for me is sound design tool and uninterrupted, unique, "workflow" daw. Much like a combo of logic (utilty daw) and reason (workflow daw) actually. Whoever would port push's workflow into these daws would really make progress in music technology, and not repackaging 70ies technology.
@@micindir4213 Now that you mention it, Reason is already going out of its way to repackage 70s (and 80s) technology, and that's part of what I like about it. Very simple to figure out how to do what you want (workflow). If some of the audio editing/group comping and staff notation from Logic came into Reason (as well as some non-linear MIDI clips a la Ableton, which we already kind of see in the ReDrum, so we know it's possible...), then I would be a happy camper. As it is, I don't like the vector drawn UI in Ableton, and prefer looking at the Reason Rack for sound design. I know ReWire exists, but that's such a hassle, and I'm terrified if I recall a project and it can't find the corresponding Reason save file!
@@JamieClark If I may: I work with Reason in rewire mode under Cubase for years and never have problem find the right project Just give the same name to both projects and save them into the same folder
EAR DRUM KRU thanks, maybe I’ll try - with Reason, I don’t even need save-folders. Each project is self-contained (at least on OS X). If I need a Project folder for each song I make, id probably go insane (like back in LogicPro9 days). I’m good at writing music, not being organized! I didn’t sign up for this haha! My theory is that’s why great painters become famous after they’re gone - someone who is organized takes all their work and markets/distributes it.
especially elektron should let you batch import midi clips, they have many sound packs that do this already (sounds and what must be midi).....so i dont see why they dont just simple fix this with C6 or whatever. probably take them half a day to fix this in their software / OS. this is helpful though, thanks.....but also why i do most drum work in the box these days.
This is an awesome tutorial thanks! I had this sort of problem with getting MIDI from my yamaha dtx 522k into the drum machines in Propellerhead Reason... Took me a lot of work!! Love the vids 👍😤
@loopop do you know a convenient way to map the Ableton drum rack to the right pads on the MPC live? And what could be the reason, that the MPC live (or MPC One) is not available as dedicated MIDI Controller in the MIDI configuration of Ableton? All the best
Hi, thanks for this, very good tutorial! I am trying to record midi into the machine but not for drums, for the notes themselves. I basically want to record midi seq into it so i can then trigger my synth with them. Instead of playing the notes, record them in as they are too complex. Looks like i need to record the midi for the chromatic keyboard it has but not sure yet how. Maybe you can help. Thanks a lot!
Thanks man. Your midi effects rack + pitch trick actually helped me the other way around, by using the amazing sequencer of my drumbrute to trigger samples or vst rythm machines by matching each instrument with precision. Amazing!
@@loopop Nora arpegiator comes with noraharm which translate in real time, you have in abelton the same kinfd of tool (2 piano rolls one vertical as input one horizontal as output). see ruclips.net/video/w6l1vg-hKv0/видео.html
I took a look at the video - that looks like a scaler, not a "translator"? Which means it won't work for many cases. I'm not familiar with it so I may be wrong.
Hi, I know this video is very old, but I have the Drumbrute Impact and I want to use the Drumbrute to sequence EzDrummer 3. Would I still do your method of creating a midi effects rack? or would I need to do midi mapping in EzDrummer?
Wonderful idea, The thing is, the video lacks proper informations about how to configure the Eketron hardware, and how to setup the Midi track in Ableton. If i import a random breakbeat midi file on a midi track in Ableton Live, how can i make sure that the Kick Drum of that file is sending informations to, let’s say, Track 1 on my Digitone 2, the Snare Drum to track 2, and so on. Has anyone managed to properly follow Loopop’s tutorial and setup one of their Elektron device to play midi files from Ableton ? I tried to configure my Digitone 2 to play midi files but for now, C1 in the midi files triggers Track 2 on the Digitone, C#1 triggers track 3, D1 triggers track 4, D#1 triggers track 5, and i have no idea why everything is good except for C1 that should trigger track 1. Thanks for your help.
Is it possible to send midi note sequence from Impact (or any other Midi out sequencer) to DAW? Then apply that midi sequence to any drum rack or instrument. Seems like a fast way to write midi sequences. Thanks!
Nice video! I'd like to know if I can record midi notes from Digitakt to my DAW using USB cable. The reason I'm asking that is because I'm thinking to buy the new Arturia Audiofuse 8pre, but it doesn't come with MIDI I/O, so having a Digitakt, I could connect my MIDI devices to Digitakt and record MIDI data into my DAW via Digitakt USB.
I'm trying to record into elektron A4. I can't seem to get the pattern to record tho. It plays on the A4, then I hit record/play, but no notes show up in A4. Suggestions?
Hi! Sorry to bother but if you want to record midi from the drum machine like OP-1 and make it to match whit ableton drums rack starting on note C1, cause this is how I have all my drum racks, how can I do it? In the Op1 drums are lay out starting from F2. Thanks!
Does it work the other way around? I want to buy a cheap, portable drum sequencer (like the Roland T-8 or TR-6S, or the IK Uno) so I can sketch ideas onto them while I'm out somewhere. When I get home, I want to transfer/record the MIDI into my MPC. Will that work with any drum machine that has a MIDI out, or do I have to avoid the single-track machines like the IK and only get a multi-track like the Rolands?
Come back here to say thank you!I didn't know that you can control 8 tracks of the digitakt by transposing notes!.apply midi effects racks and midi files are ready to rock the digitakt. I was looking for a solution since few days.Cheers I pay the beers!
Hi I have Studio one 4 Pro , and I own a drumbrute impact, I use MT power Kit2 and there is some cool groves, my headache right now is nobody is been able to give me an idea how to trigger the drumbrute and the MT power together, for example if I press kick or snare on my drumbrute the sound I want to get is MT power and also create patterns and record midi notes in MY DAW using the the drumbrute pads and the the sound from the MT... any ideas? Studio One technician gave up....
can this technique be used in the same way with the Digitone? I book marked this video to come back to when I got it all set up and today is that day. Only now realizing that the device in the video is the Digitact ... not the digitize. Thanks again for the great videos
I've been trying to create this MIDI Effect Rack. It appears each Chain is an assigned note. How to configure this is not explained in Ableton that I can tell. Your earlier reply to Miss Antidote: "It’s really quite easy to make these - just drag the pitch effect into the track, right click it and group it, and the copy paste more chains selection the source note and destination pitch. It takes two minutes with a bit of practice." I'm with you here up until "copy paste more chains selection...", then I don't see how. Your technique seems just what I need, and thank you for posting this. Can you suggest another clear tutorial or any other resource for doing this thing?
mandolier I’m sorry I tried to make it as clear as possible and can’t post another tutorial about the same thing. I recommend reading up on groups/racks in the manual or watching tutorials. It’s a concept that takes getting used to
@@loopop Again, thank you for this post. I've done so many searches that it's unclear, but will credit YOU for turning me on to the Toontrack's Tap2Find. It is ESSENTIAL to matching beats to what's imagined, and woefully absent from any other application as far as I know. The key to this MIDI Effect Rack process, as far as I can tell, is duplicating slots in the track and then deleting all but one note (or voice, or instrument) from each duplicate, so that the remaining note can be transposed. One clue to this can be found in this: ruclips.net/video/PRLvO37fyf4/видео.html. (Beware that the Hi-Hat which Dubspot uses in this example is almost inaudible.) I have not found this explained ANYWHERE else. My own remaining concern is because I'm using Live 10 Lite, I suppose. I can play each of these individual, transposed slots to my DrumBrute, but haven't yet been able to play all of the transposed slots together at one time. It seems that Lite might not support playing to an external sound module such as DrumBrute (unless it's looped back to an input(?!)) Maybe this is a grouping issue. I find Ableton's manual unhelpful, frankly.
I was wrong about duplicating clips and deleting notes. Live's Group function isn't necessary. As you implied, each key/note in a clip gets transposed - by its own Pitch device. Additionally however, each Pitch device's effect is limited to its (exclusive) key/note by its Chain Key Zone. I did find two helpful sections in Ableton's manual after all: 18.4 Chain List and 18.5.2 Key Zones. This works fine in Live 10 Lite as well.
This is a great idea o breathe life into your drum machines. Am I right in thinking you can save the racks you make to use again? If so, we could make a library of ableton racks for different drum machines collectively.
Indeed you can save and reuse racks - the problem is each rack will work for one library / drum machine set - and even then only when the drum machine has the same sounds. So, for example, the kick on the drumbrute is c1 but on the digitakt it could be anything depending on which sample you loaded. Actually even the drum brute has two kicks (with and without color, and that can be mapped to taste)
Very nice info and video, but i try not to need a computer anymore making music. Do you know if the 1010music bitbox can read midifiles from the sd card directly? Greetz 👍✌️
I was just looking to connect Digitakt and Octatrack with Toontrack SD3. This is very useful. Can you share the exact MIDI effect racks for the Digitakt and Drumbrute? Would you have something similar for Octatrack? Or give some more details on how you came to the different transpose values? Brilliant and Many thanks!
It's really each, you just "fold" the Toontrack MIDI like I did. Copy the clip to a new MIDI track. Send its out to the octatrack. Now use the computer keyboard to play the different notes, and transpose the pitch up and down with the arrow keys (after you select it) until you hit the right destination note for every source note. Hopefully I explained it OK...
@@loopop Great video! I've been trying to make this work with the DT and FL Studio 20 for a few weeks, with no luck so far. I'd be very curious if you can share the settings you used in the DT midi config menu. I have not determined if it's the way FL Studio handles midi, or if it's on the DT configuration side.
And of course, after publicly asking for help ... I just figured it out! :) The problem was that I was using the VST instrument from Overbridge (which really should work), and a Midi Out generator/channel is what you want. It helped me a lot seeing it's possible to do USB midi to/from a DAW with the DT, and thanks again for making this video!
@@loopopHi Ziv you nicely explained how to convert the notes for a given sample. I just wondered whether instruments have their own transpose table for all samples, or whether that is different for each sample, and you'd have to go through your workflow to convert each sample. A generic solution and MIDI effect rack for an instrument would be more powerful, of course!
Great vid. So If you only have a Digitone (not DTk) and EZ Drummer you can use this to have full drum accompaniment through Ableton. Either by using the DTo MIDI tracks in a sequence to trigger the drums, or trig the scene containing a midi sequence in the DAW.
Thanks! If your drum machine doesn't have USB but has MIDI IN this should still work - you'll need to USB MIDI interface to connect your computer to your drum machine - note: Not a USB MIDI host, that's something completely different ;)
My friend, what program or program's do you use to create your videos? (Screenshot slanted behind like a screen etc.)?? Combination of programs and video editing or something? Please let me know, awesome tutorials!
Is it safe to say you could just sample the beat from ezdrummer and chop it even if it is nonpurchased?? not that i condone that sort of behavior...so even if its not say triggering the midi it could still be utilized to some degree.
Overbridge is for transferring audio and control information, so unless I missed something it's not relevant for this particular "trick" (you still use the same USB cable for Overbridge and MIDI - as I do in this video)
loopop I see. I haven’t tried yet because I’m at work. I would like to test it out on Ableton but unfortunately overbridge doesn’t work with Ableton 10.1 (for me at least). I’ll test out my theory and try to see if I can get it to work with Logic Pro and Studio One and get back to you. Thanks for the video though!
Hey - thanks for your comment it's a good point. I'll add that to the description. It would actually a bit simpler. In order to get this trick to work with a drum machine that needs notes to appear on individual MIDI channels, here's what you need to do: (1) Set up a MIDI track in your DAW for each of the Electribe channels you want to send notes to (2) Set MIDI *from* in all these tracks you set up to the track that has your source MIDI drum clip (3) add the Pitch MIDI effect to each channel track as needed. (4) Set the MIDI *to* to the Electribe MIDI channel you want to play on. That's it - it should work! You can group the channels later if they make the screen to busy, and you don't need a MIDI effect rack. Let me know what you think.
Great idea brother, wow. I still use my old Dr Groove, love the beefiness of it, strangely, all the patterns of the Dr Groove match all the mappings in my Logic Ultrabeat and EX sampler, beautiful, but I NEVER thought to do it in reverse and actually record a midi clip back into the drum machine, duh, BRILLIANT! Thanks as always for great content, cheers mate!
Sending MIDI notes and clock might crash a weakly implemented MIDI stack but is highly unlikely to cause permanent damage... please report back if all is well...
Love your videos, but the title on this one is totally misleading. You're not "importing" anything, you're recording in real time, which is completely different. Importing implies dumping files without any playback involved. It's essentially an offline operation.
Thanks for the love ;) Regarding the title, I totally disagree. First, the title says "trick" before it says "import". Second, I am literally importing the notes over MIDI. If the drum machine had an "import over MIDI" function it would be essentially the same, only take less time. If you sync your DAW do the drum machine you literally press play on it and the pattern is transferred (assuming it can sync). Third, I totally disagree with the word "totally"... while Ideally I would have hacked an "Import MIDI file" onto your drum machine, I think this is pretty darn close...
I disagree. What I describe is damn close to adding an “import over midi” function that just takes a few seconds longer than file transfer over midi.. That’s why there’s the word “trick” before “import” in the title.
Yes, most drum machines can be controlled via MIDI - the point here is to use that capability and their ability to live record, to transfer pre-made patterns to make it easy to import/transfer content to your machine as opposed to programming multiple track manually.
Isnt that the point of buying boxes like this? To come up with your own patterns? Why not use somebody else's samples too? They can go with your somebody else's loops.. then you can get somebody else's lyrics also?
I think you’re either an amazing programmer that comes up on your own with a 100000 patterns in dozens of styles played by expert drummers, and just unaware that others aren’t as talented, or you just settle with what you can come up on your own, which is cool too. To call others that aren’t as talented - or settle - lazy, isnt rude, it’s myopic
It won’t make sense to because it would only apply to the small subset of people that use the drum loop library I used and the same samples. It’s really quite easy to make these - just drag the pitch effect into the track, right click it and group it, and the copy paste more chains selection the source note and destination pitch. It takes two minutes with a bit of practice
The world is lucky to have you as a gatekeeper for who should and how to make music. Please feel free link to your original beats so we can all be enlightened by your originality
As a complement to this: start with an audio drum loop, then use Ableton's audio-to-midi on it, then send that to the drum machine. I'm guessing Ableton will use a fixed target drum rack for this, so the note mapping would be the same for any audio drum loop!
This. Is. Genius. I’m gonna create a Cubase file just for drum grooves that will act as my library. No more losing data from my drum machine
I was doing that one year ago with the keystep sending midi to the octatrack...works flawless
Thanx buddy
Also
If you find .Kar files and change the extension to .mid you can strip the midi data of any song you can find a karaoke file for
This is a great way to grab stems from different songs that share the same key for making midi mashups
It works on my JD-XI, it's just a little touchy with timing to get it right.
Great video as always fine Sir...massive respect on the floating screen catpure, looks awesome, thanks for being perpetually Bad Ass! X
Hey :)
Could you please tell me how are you able to send midi notes to the audio tracks in the digitakt? i thought this is not possible?
Would really appreciate the answer
I believe that in the MIDI project settings you can set the MIDI channels for the audio track. So presumably they are all here set on one channel, but yes, that doesn't explain how this one channel can trigger a different audio track. Unless, each track was also set to a different tune somehow?
A program that did the same thing as the Toontrack EZ drummer 2 used to come with the purchase of the Arsenal M-Audio Trigger Finger pro talk that was an intelligent library of loops, sample, clips and came along with the soft Air Drums ToolRoom of the year 2013.
really helpful video. i was thinking how to find a this kind of workflow but i dont have much experiences about those drum machines. i dont even know ableton has such a translotr feature. this is a great way to hack things. thank you so so much. your videos always so informative!
As said elsewhere, this is a very 80’s programming trick, but it’s very good to have this in a modern video since a lot of older programming knowledge has been lost over time because of VHS conversion and advances in the language we use to talk about music gear changing.
It’s serendipitous that you made this, though. I’m gonna be buying an Analog RYTM mkII soon and I do a lot of programming on Ableton’s timeline, and wanna use it live as a drum module.
I use my MPC exactly like this flawlessly
Hello, great tutorial. I would like to use a groovebox as a backing device for live bass and vocal performances. Does this method also work with midi tracks like guitar, or keys, for example?
I'm so grateful for your videos. You helped me yet again!
Thank you so much for this, I had a problem attempting this and Bam your video comes up for exactly both of my machines and my daw. Thank you!
I'm using Maschine MK3 ...but thank you! Useful tips.
These all are 80ies midi tricks. Which are nice, and people should know them, don't get me wrong, but why manufacturers still segragate software and hardware is beyond me. I mean for a long time I was on a steady diet of rack midi modules, alesis mmt 8, Yamaha QY, 4 track cassette, 8 track cassette, stompboxes etc. When it comes to do actual work, its always ableton, and recently I've pulled a trigger for push. Ableton + push is a combo that got me through tight dealines, theathre productions, live sets, studio work etc. etc. etc. Any drummachine is sitting there unused (at least its pattern/song mode), unless it has fast to access sounds. Its ok to use bare-bone sound generators like volca kick, jomox mbase, etc. Its almost modular approach, where audio interface outputs just clicks for generators to trigger. And again, its all run from push, as it is real centerpiece for me. Standalone boxes can't be beaten in live environment, though.
What I would've liked to see is an interconnected system, where pattern in a drummachine is a reflection of ableton's clip, and vise-versa. Imagine if you had the ability to have two way street with hardware, as with software instruments.
Oh, and creating audio track to hear your boxes as well as midi clip is retarded in 2019. That's why I still think its all a hobby shopping and not serious work - its just unpractical. 90 % of the time its software and as a cherry on top some quirky sound from very specific analog/whatever piece.
mic indir as much as I love my DT and Circuit, you might be right... I get so much work done (and so much more quickly) in Reason10 or LPX. Something about Ableton is off-putting for me visually, but I sometimes envy the workflow.
I’m happy to have my DeepMind12 and Blofeld, because I can treat them like acoustic instruments and record them live instead of programming midi if I want to lay down an idea quickly.
Digitakt? Nothing quick about exporting from that box!
@@JamieClark I'd say its ableton only worth getting into if its a push+software package. For me 'live' is indispensible for live performance. There's just no competition in that field. And creating in ableton live from the start removes the export bit, which makes studio to live process much quicker. So one feeds the other and vice-versa.
I'd say I use ableton live 50/50 with reaper. Reaper is a daw I use when you record (audio) performance or arrange/write songs. Ableton live for me is sound design tool and uninterrupted, unique, "workflow" daw.
Much like a combo of logic (utilty daw) and reason (workflow daw) actually.
Whoever would port push's workflow into these daws would really make progress in music technology, and not repackaging 70ies technology.
@@micindir4213 Now that you mention it, Reason is already going out of its way to repackage 70s (and 80s) technology, and that's part of what I like about it. Very simple to figure out how to do what you want (workflow). If some of the audio editing/group comping and staff notation from Logic came into Reason (as well as some non-linear MIDI clips a la Ableton, which we already kind of see in the ReDrum, so we know it's possible...), then I would be a happy camper.
As it is, I don't like the vector drawn UI in Ableton, and prefer looking at the Reason Rack for sound design. I know ReWire exists, but that's such a hassle, and I'm terrified if I recall a project and it can't find the corresponding Reason save file!
@@JamieClark If I may: I work with Reason in rewire mode under Cubase for years and never have problem find the right project Just give the same name to both projects and save them into the same folder
EAR DRUM KRU thanks, maybe I’ll try - with Reason, I don’t even need save-folders. Each project is self-contained (at least on OS X). If I need a Project folder for each song I make, id probably go insane (like back in LogicPro9 days). I’m good at writing music, not being organized! I didn’t sign up for this haha!
My theory is that’s why great painters become famous after they’re gone - someone who is organized takes all their work and markets/distributes it.
especially elektron should let you batch import midi clips, they have many sound packs that do this already (sounds and what must be midi).....so i dont see why they dont just simple fix this with C6 or whatever. probably take them half a day to fix this in their software / OS. this is helpful though, thanks.....but also why i do most drum work in the box these days.
This is an awesome tutorial thanks! I had this sort of problem with getting MIDI from my yamaha dtx 522k into the drum machines in Propellerhead Reason... Took me a lot of work!! Love the vids 👍😤
+loopop Feel free to check out my music on Spotify (search for SIEZIU) 😊 Lots of inspiration from your sound design etc
Cheers Loopop
Great stuff. This is an easier way to get all my songs onto my drumbrute then just entering it in manually. Cheers!
Awesome content (as usual) and just what I was looking for to use my Octatrack as a drum machine, sequenced from Ableton.
@loopop at the 6:51 mark you mention you have mapped the notes to the Digitakt sounds already. Do you know how this can be done in Logic Pro?
no sorry
@loopop do you know a convenient way to map the Ableton drum rack to the right pads on the MPC live? And what could be the reason, that the MPC live (or MPC One) is not available as dedicated MIDI Controller in the MIDI configuration of Ableton? All the best
Great tuts all around! Live’s groove pool might also come in handy as well.
Hi, thanks for this, very good tutorial! I am trying to record midi into the machine but not for drums, for the notes themselves. I basically want to record midi seq into it so i can then trigger my synth with them. Instead of playing the notes, record them in as they are too complex. Looks like i need to record the midi for the chromatic keyboard it has but not sure yet how. Maybe you can help. Thanks a lot!
This is incredible. My Drumbrute just become 100,000 times more useful.
Thanks man. Your midi effects rack + pitch trick actually helped me the other way around, by using the amazing sequencer of my drumbrute to trigger samples or vst rythm machines by matching each instrument with precision. Amazing!
awesome! yes, that's what I show in the second half of the clip with EZ drummer - the pads on the drum brute are really quite good
@@loopop Nora arpegiator comes with noraharm which translate in real time, you have in abelton the same kinfd of tool (2 piano rolls one vertical as input one horizontal as output). see ruclips.net/video/w6l1vg-hKv0/видео.html
I took a look at the video - that looks like a scaler, not a "translator"? Which means it won't work for many cases. I'm not familiar with it so I may be wrong.
would be nice to see this with the Circuit, like how to do the same with a full kit down to its 4 channels with sample flip
Hi, I know this video is very old, but I have the Drumbrute Impact and I want to use the Drumbrute to sequence EzDrummer 3. Would I still do your method of creating a midi effects rack? or would I need to do midi mapping in EzDrummer?
I thought of using the Impact to trigger my EZ Drummer but not vise versa. Thank you!
Do you think this will work for importing chords into the Arturia Keystep? #Keystep
Wonderful idea,
The thing is, the video lacks proper informations about how to configure the Eketron hardware, and how to setup the Midi track in Ableton.
If i import a random breakbeat midi file on a midi track in Ableton Live, how can i make sure that the Kick Drum of that file is sending informations to, let’s say, Track 1 on my Digitone 2, the Snare Drum to track 2, and so on.
Has anyone managed to properly follow Loopop’s tutorial and setup one of their Elektron device to play midi files from Ableton ?
I tried to configure my Digitone 2 to play midi files but for now, C1 in the midi files triggers Track 2 on the Digitone, C#1 triggers track 3, D1 triggers track 4, D#1 triggers track 5, and i have no idea why everything is good except for C1 that should trigger track 1.
Thanks for your help.
Is it possible to send midi note sequence from Impact (or any other Midi out sequencer) to DAW? Then apply that midi sequence to any drum rack or instrument. Seems like a fast way to write midi sequences. Thanks!
Yes
O needs to do the same with a monologue/minilogue. Is it posible?
Nice video!
I'd like to know if I can record midi notes from Digitakt to my DAW using USB cable.
The reason I'm asking that is because I'm thinking to buy the new Arturia Audiofuse 8pre, but it doesn't come with MIDI I/O, so having a Digitakt, I could connect my MIDI devices to Digitakt and record MIDI data into my DAW via Digitakt USB.
Thanks and the answer is yes
It's quite funny this is so obvious and I can't believe I have never thought of it. I'm going to do this using an MPC live 2.
Could you share your Drumbrute Impact Midi Rack? This would help me so much!
I'm trying to record into elektron A4. I can't seem to get the pattern to record tho. It plays on the A4, then I hit record/play, but no notes show up in A4. Suggestions?
Hi! Sorry to bother but if you want to record midi from the drum machine like OP-1 and make it to match whit ableton drums rack starting on note C1, cause this is how I have all my drum racks, how can I do it? In the Op1 drums are lay out starting from F2. Thanks!
Hi Loopop, do you do any Ableton tutorials ? on your Patreon ?
If not have you any recommendations?
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Thanks for asking, sorry no I don't. I recommend looking for an Ableton certified trainer you like/near you.
Does it work the other way around? I want to buy a cheap, portable drum sequencer (like the Roland T-8 or TR-6S, or the IK Uno) so I can sketch ideas onto them while I'm out somewhere. When I get home, I want to transfer/record the MIDI into my MPC.
Will that work with any drum machine that has a MIDI out, or do I have to avoid the single-track machines like the IK and only get a multi-track like the Rolands?
Most drum machines send out MIDI - if they do, you can record it. Of course channel and note assignment may vary
Thank you so much! I spent HOURS slacking off at work today in search of this answer!
Tr 606 says what sorcery is this?
I used to record patterns into Music X on Amiga like this
Very usefull!!
Thanks for the tutorial!
Come back here to say thank you!I didn't know that you can control 8 tracks of the digitakt by transposing notes!.apply midi effects racks and midi files are ready to rock the digitakt. I was looking for a solution since few days.Cheers I pay the beers!
Great to know!
Hi I have Studio one 4 Pro , and I own a drumbrute impact, I use MT power Kit2 and there is some cool groves, my headache right now is nobody is been able to give me an idea how to trigger the drumbrute and the MT power together, for example if I press kick or snare on my drumbrute the sound I want to get is MT power and also create patterns and record midi notes in MY DAW using the the drumbrute pads and the the sound from the MT... any ideas? Studio One technician gave up....
Andres Stoner move to Ableton Live and use the techniques in this video?
can this technique be used in the same way with the Digitone? I book marked this video to come back to when I got it all set up and today is that day. Only now realizing that the device in the video is the Digitact ... not the digitize. Thanks again for the great videos
hey - I've not tried it, but it should work!
I've been trying to create this MIDI Effect Rack. It appears each Chain is an assigned note. How to configure this is not explained in Ableton that I can tell.
Your earlier reply to Miss Antidote: "It’s really quite easy to make these - just drag the pitch effect into the track, right click it and group it, and the copy paste more chains selection the source note and destination pitch. It takes two minutes with a bit of practice."
I'm with you here up until "copy paste more chains selection...", then I don't see how.
Your technique seems just what I need, and thank you for posting this. Can you suggest another clear tutorial or any other resource for doing this thing?
mandolier I’m sorry I tried to make it as clear as possible and can’t post another tutorial about the same thing. I recommend reading up on groups/racks in the manual or watching tutorials. It’s a concept that takes getting used to
@@loopop Again, thank you for this post.
I've done so many searches that it's unclear, but will credit YOU for turning me on to the Toontrack's Tap2Find. It is ESSENTIAL to matching beats to what's imagined, and woefully absent from any other application as far as I know.
The key to this MIDI Effect Rack process, as far as I can tell, is duplicating slots in the track and then deleting all but one note (or voice, or instrument) from each duplicate, so that the remaining note can be transposed.
One clue to this can be found in this: ruclips.net/video/PRLvO37fyf4/видео.html. (Beware that the Hi-Hat which Dubspot uses in this example is almost inaudible.)
I have not found this explained ANYWHERE else.
My own remaining concern is because I'm using Live 10 Lite, I suppose. I can play each of these individual, transposed slots to my DrumBrute, but haven't yet been able to play all of the transposed slots together at one time. It seems that Lite might not support playing to an external sound module such as DrumBrute (unless it's looped back to an input(?!))
Maybe this is a grouping issue.
I find Ableton's manual unhelpful, frankly.
I was wrong about duplicating clips and deleting notes. Live's Group function isn't necessary. As you implied, each key/note in a clip gets transposed - by its own Pitch device. Additionally however, each Pitch device's effect is limited to its (exclusive) key/note by its Chain Key Zone. I did find two helpful sections in Ableton's manual after all: 18.4 Chain List and 18.5.2 Key Zones. This works fine in Live 10 Lite as well.
With the Electribe Sampler, do you loose the groove. Does the Electribe quantize it?
This is a great idea o breathe life into your drum machines. Am I right in thinking you can save the racks you make to use again?
If so, we could make a library of ableton racks for different drum machines collectively.
Indeed you can save and reuse racks - the problem is each rack will work for one library / drum machine set - and even then only when the drum machine has the same sounds. So, for example, the kick on the drumbrute is c1 but on the digitakt it could be anything depending on which sample you loaded. Actually even the drum brute has two kicks (with and without color, and that can be mapped to taste)
congrats on 50K subs!
Thank uuu
Can this be done with Zoom R24?
Synthstrom Deluge can directly import midi,using Downrush/Midian
That looks complicated!
@@starwars007oele is simple
Very nice info and video, but i try not to need a computer anymore making music. Do you know if the 1010music bitbox can read midifiles from the sd card directly? Greetz 👍✌️
It can’t - but this trick should work quite nicely on it
Whoops! I ment Blackbox or Toolbox cause bitbox has no sequencer.
Ha me too
I was just looking to connect Digitakt and Octatrack with Toontrack SD3. This is very useful. Can you share the exact MIDI effect racks for the Digitakt and Drumbrute? Would you have something similar for Octatrack? Or give some more details on how you came to the different transpose values? Brilliant and Many thanks!
It's really each, you just "fold" the Toontrack MIDI like I did. Copy the clip to a new MIDI track. Send its out to the octatrack. Now use the computer keyboard to play the different notes, and transpose the pitch up and down with the arrow keys (after you select it) until you hit the right destination note for every source note. Hopefully I explained it OK...
@@loopop Great video! I've been trying to make this work with the DT and FL Studio 20 for a few weeks, with no luck so far. I'd be very curious if you can share the settings you used in the DT midi config menu. I have not determined if it's the way FL Studio handles midi, or if it's on the DT configuration side.
And of course, after publicly asking for help ... I just figured it out! :) The problem was that I was using the VST instrument from Overbridge (which really should work), and a Midi Out generator/channel is what you want. It helped me a lot seeing it's possible to do USB midi to/from a DAW with the DT, and thanks again for making this video!
Great!
@@loopopHi Ziv you nicely explained how to convert the notes for a given sample. I just wondered whether instruments have their own transpose table for all samples, or whether that is different for each sample, and you'd have to go through your workflow to convert each sample. A generic solution and MIDI effect rack for an instrument would be more powerful, of course!
Great vid. So If you only have a Digitone (not DTk) and EZ Drummer you can use this to have full drum accompaniment through Ableton. Either by using the DTo MIDI tracks in a sequence to trigger the drums, or trig the scene containing a midi sequence in the DAW.
For sure!
Excellent work! Are you connecting your drum machines to the computer via USB? what if you have a non USB older drum machine??
Thanks! If your drum machine doesn't have USB but has MIDI IN this should still work - you'll need to USB MIDI interface to connect your computer to your drum machine - note: Not a USB MIDI host, that's something completely different ;)
ace video. dope. great content
Is this possible with Overbridge or is it MIDI only?
Overbridge is for audio - this is midi
This is mighty useful, thanks!
Cubase sends out transport commands out just fine. Two clicks and you have it synched.
did someone mention already if this can be done in logic pro x?
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Thanks! Just premiere pro
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Is it safe to say you could just sample the beat from ezdrummer and chop it even if it is nonpurchased?? not that i condone that sort of behavior...so even if its not say triggering the midi it could still be utilized to some degree.
Technically, sure you could sample it. Legally/ethically I don't really know and I doubt the terms and conditions would allow it explicitly.
thanks for this!
Wouldn’t it be easier to use Overbridge for Digitakt for MIDI?
Overbridge is for transferring audio and control information, so unless I missed something it's not relevant for this particular "trick" (you still use the same USB cable for Overbridge and MIDI - as I do in this video)
loopop I see. I haven’t tried yet because I’m at work. I would like to test it out on Ableton but unfortunately overbridge doesn’t work with Ableton 10.1 (for me at least). I’ll test out my theory and try to see if I can get it to work with Logic Pro and Studio One and get back to you. Thanks for the video though!
yeah you don't need overbridge for this - I have live 10.1 and didn't use overbridge at all in this video - just MIDI over USB
use the NDLR to control omnisphere and a drum machine
Unfortunately, this method is a lot more difficult to use with the Korg Electribe 2 because it uses channel-per-instrument only.
Hey - thanks for your comment it's a good point. I'll add that to the description. It would actually a bit simpler. In order to get this trick to work with a drum machine that needs notes to appear on individual MIDI channels, here's what you need to do: (1) Set up a MIDI track in your DAW for each of the Electribe channels you want to send notes to (2) Set MIDI *from* in all these tracks you set up to the track that has your source MIDI drum clip (3) add the Pitch MIDI effect to each channel track as needed. (4) Set the MIDI *to* to the Electribe MIDI channel you want to play on. That's it - it should work! You can group the channels later if they make the screen to busy, and you don't need a MIDI effect rack. Let me know what you think.
Leonard Petit-Breuilh Retrokits RK-002 smart midicable can solve this problem.
Hakuna Matata Yes, I have one of these but I’m thinking of solutions that don’t need additional hardware.
That's "Crazy" 9:00
Great idea brother, wow. I still use my old Dr Groove, love the beefiness of it, strangely, all the patterns of the Dr Groove match all the mappings in my Logic Ultrabeat and EX sampler, beautiful, but I NEVER thought to do it in reverse and actually record a midi clip back into the drum machine, duh, BRILLIANT! Thanks as always for great content, cheers mate!
Cool!
Thankyou!
My 25yr old Zoom rt123 just crossed it's arms and turned it's face from this foolishness 😉😁
Doesn't work for me with digitakt.
Wound't bee easier to use a drum rack? you can change the MIDI note that each pad send
I'm not sure I follow - a drum rack receives MIDI notes, it doesn't send them. Maybe there's a Live feature I'm not aware of - please explain
Am i the only one who cant figure how to set up the midi effect rack?
So, you have to use DAW to use this method..
Yes just to transfer the files - then they live standalone on your gear without a daw
THANKS.
My rx7 flipped me the bird attemting this,i hope i can reboot it right or itll be useless after this
Sending MIDI notes and clock might crash a weakly implemented MIDI stack but is highly unlikely to cause permanent damage... please report back if all is well...
dude why didn’t you just press record directly and unloop your midi clip in ableton ? 🤔
Rather than doing what? Not sure what you mean by unloop
... into ANY almost drum machine.
Like a DR 660? It's almost a drum machine
There are no free midi drum loops that I can find in a google search. EVERYTHING asks for a credit card.
Sounds like a MidiProductionCenter is in order.
Whenever I play in my notes im always too quantised. Lol
I really dijj the dijjitakt haha
Love your videos, but the title on this one is totally misleading. You're not "importing" anything, you're recording in real time, which is completely different. Importing implies dumping files without any playback involved. It's essentially an offline operation.
Thanks for the love ;) Regarding the title, I totally disagree. First, the title says "trick" before it says "import". Second, I am literally importing the notes over MIDI. If the drum machine had an "import over MIDI" function it would be essentially the same, only take less time. If you sync your DAW do the drum machine you literally press play on it and the pattern is transferred (assuming it can sync). Third, I totally disagree with the word "totally"... while Ideally I would have hacked an "Import MIDI file" onto your drum machine, I think this is pretty darn close...
Video have low volume....
'Import' is misleading. You're talking about recording them in realtime.
I disagree. What I describe is damn close to adding an “import over midi” function that just takes a few seconds longer than file transfer over midi.. That’s why there’s the word “trick” before “import” in the title.
is that not a basic function in every Drum Maschine ? Every Hardware with Midi in can play Midi drum tracks ! Not special here!
Yes, most drum machines can be controlled via MIDI - the point here is to use that capability and their ability to live record, to transfer pre-made patterns to make it easy to import/transfer content to your machine as opposed to programming multiple track manually.
Isnt that the point of buying boxes like this? To come up with your own patterns? Why not use somebody else's samples too? They can go with your somebody else's loops.. then you can get somebody else's lyrics also?
I dont mean to be rude, but whats the point of this lazyness
I think you’re either an amazing programmer that comes up on your own with a 100000 patterns in dozens of styles played by expert drummers, and just unaware that others aren’t as talented, or you just settle with what you can come up on your own, which is cool too. To call others that aren’t as talented - or settle - lazy, isnt rude, it’s myopic
can you make that midi rack for digitakt free?
It won’t make sense to because it would only apply to the small subset of people that use the drum loop library I used and the same samples. It’s really quite easy to make these - just drag the pitch effect into the track, right click it and group it, and the copy paste more chains selection the source note and destination pitch. It takes two minutes with a bit of practice
@@loopop thanks for the reply mate. Great Channel. Keep up the good work!
I don't know. If you don't want to design your own beats, maybe you shouldn't be making music. I could be wrong.
The world is lucky to have you as a gatekeeper for who should and how to make music. Please feel free link to your original beats so we can all be enlightened by your originality