Russell Brand & Jordan Peterson - Kindness VS Power | Under The Skin #46
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2018
- Recently making the headlines after a combative interview about the gender pay gap with Channel 4’s Cathy Newman, my guest today is Jordan Peterson, who discusses with me some of his 12 Rules for Life.
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How refreshing to watch an interview where two people let each other finish their sentences.
Peterson tryed his best not to let brand do so.
Russell Brand is amazing, of curse Peter Jordan is the master
Theo Von's interview is good also. Comedians both.
Both of them had there moments of interrupting each other. Neither are perfect, but it was a far more respectful discussion than most when JP is interviewed.
Really? Brand was interrupting constantly
“Go on, unpack that a bit.”
Wonderful
Mah man!!!
that was delicious hhaha
omg this snippet made me check out the comment section haha
There’s an interviewer called Peter something who is on RUclips on the Hoover Institute who quotes his guests books to them, then say ‘please unpack that a bit’
I suspect you would like those videos too
So, there you go!
hahahah that's was great, went looking to see if someone else also picked that up hahaha
This was a breath of fresh air. This is humanity and what we are lacking and craving. A civil conversation centered around understanding.
@@johnboyjordan1915 I literally choked on my water laughing at your comment! In my hours of watching a reading Jordan Peterson ( who I’m assuming you are targeting your misguided criticisms at), he has never said anything to “legitimize neo-Nazi ideologies”. You are obviously extremely biased in your views, have little to no ability to be open-minded, and appear to be quite pompous. Good luck in life!
@@johnboyjordan1915 you’re too far left. That is all.
@@johnboyjordan1915 Maybe we can have a civil conversation *wink*wink* if maybe you have some evidence from a reliable source. I’m not saying that I LOVE Jordan Peterson nor do I hate the guy. My point was, this is how two mature adults with differing opinions have a conversation. With open minds, open hearts, and without automatically hating the other person.
@@johnboyjordan1915 This was just a long list of unbacked ideologies and personal beliefs. I’m asking for a primary source that gives any evidence to what your saying. Otherwise, I’m just talking to a brainwashed wall here. Oh and yes, I do agree with you that he doesn’t like the extreme left or Marxism . That is quite evident. But I’m not going to hate someone purely because they don’t love extreme sides of the political spectrum or is a capitalist (seems a bit harsh to me lol). But again, I’m asking for ANY examples that I can go find that shows he is a neo-Nazi promoter or radicalist who is inciting riots...
@@johnboyjordan1915 Wow! You are a trip! I have done quite thorough research; which is why I’m calling you on your self righteous bullshit. This conversation was doomed from the start ( I should have known). I think it’s best for both parties for us to save our breath from here on out. You can respond, but I will not.
I know I'm super late to the party here, but this is probably the best conversation I've seen on RUclips. I wish the whole country could talk to each other like this.
Same!!
This is a classic and soon to be scripture, it is February 2024
I love how Russel genuinely wants to learn from the people he invites on his Podcasts. You can tell his motive isn't entertainment as much as it is satisfying his curiosity.
Yeah, he does so in a way that's respectful , too. He seems to have actually put the time into understanding his guests
Very organic and refreshing
Unfortunately he doesn’t treat Sam Harris with that same respect
I was fine, even impressed, with Russel up to about the one-hour mark, and then he stopped being respectful, began interrupting, and descended to his normal left Wing position
The man is a disgrace to the UK, and I have never forgiven him, nor will I ever, for his so called 'pranking' phone call
Forgive and forget, holding grudges is bad for your health.
I had no idea Russel Brand was so intelligent, deep, wise, well spoken, and articulate. What an outstanding interview.
@Ela Lamblin why would any sort of physical disability affect a person's intelligence? You sound like an extremely basic person with a below average intelligence who somehow believes themselves to be a wise philosophical sage. You just sound like a 54 year old housewife writing pop-philosphy on Facebook.
J G that’s not his point. He’s saying anyone can be intelligent
@Ela Lamblin There is also a man called Karl Pilkington
J G So you’re saying a man that’s blind, deaf and can’t speak can gather as much knowledge as a normal person? You must be joking. You’d be surprised how much hearing, speaking and sight affect your life
Star Wars Meme Man no, he said that physical disabilities won’t make you smarter.
20 minutes into the video and I had the thought, "Imagine if our legislative debates were like this." I vote for Russell Brand and Jordan Peterson for senate!
Politicians are whores. Why dont u understand this. Running for office is degrading.
@@lastwhtknight3002 I believe the point being made is that we wish our politicians were not "whores" but civilised, thoughtful people like Brand and Dr. Peterson, and if such civilised individuals were to run for senate, many would vote for them.
The Elections aren't being held in heaven!
Neither of these fellows wants the pressure of being a politician. That's my impression, thus far.
@@lastwhtknight3002 True change can only happen from within. Same thing with changing the toxic political spectrum.
Nothing more refreshing than having the ability to tap into a dialouge between two profound and open-minded individuals. 🙏🏼
Yes, it’s such a refreshing pause in the chaos & resentment of the world today. Profoundly exquisite. 🙌🏽
Jordan Peterson open minded??? On what planet
@@Hili24pur Earth
@@Kragh50 ^
This is what a conversation between apposing view points should sound like. No grandstanding, no screaming, no insults, no shaming. This is how you remove the hate/fear from the world! No really, it's that big of a deal!
Hear here!!
Yes. Save that type of behaviour for "The View"!
P Jameson I disagree that they have opposing view points. I hear different articulation and understanding of the same fundamental view point.
Jordan Peterson got that from Carl Rogers, the proper way to have an argument/conversation.
Am I to infer that you think Peterson is pro-Trump?
I was glued to the screen the whole 90mins which is weird for me with podcast...I still don't think Russell get s the credit he deserves for turning his life around and becoming this open lovely guy
Couldn't agree more. Russell's a rare breed of agenda free genuine people.
Somehow we all haven´t got acces to our full potential.
Was he an asshole before or what?
@@plastifiedmetal5682 he was a volatile self destructive drunk/druggie, but he completely cleaned up his act and has grown so much, I really applaud his rejuvenation of his Self, and his actions since his change are very commendable and inspiring. I hope he only continues to grow.
It's pretty clear he was always a thoughtful, smart guy. It's like, he had his fun, fuckin did it all and now he's free to be himself. Easy when you have had all the fun already and you're rich, I guess.
Wow, I really really like Russell brand now. A lot of his viewpoints are so well thought through, even if I don't agree with him, I agree with his way of thinking.
Severely underrated comment right here. THIS is what we need to focus on. Way of thinking. We'll never agree on all the things (nor should we, as unity is a fast track to tyranny), but a more intelligent, FAIR, respectful _way of thinking_ is something we need to focus on. We have a loooooooong way to go in that respect, but it's critical.
Maybe you have the same type of thinking. Maybe the environment shaped the both of you different. Such as different viewpoints, other people in your surrounding, maybe believe or non believe.
"Tyranny is the deliberate removel of nuance!! " 🤓💥🙌🏻
This is some high high level stuff man. Finally someone matches Dr Peterson's intelligence and humility. Learned a lot, thank you
Humility? Now, that’s a word I wouldn’t ever think to put in the same sentence with Jordan Peterson. Interesting.
Did you mean humanitarian not humilitarian?
I like your comment I think that both Jordan Peterson and Russell Brand have great vocabulary which describes their issues perfectly it is so amazing to listen to the two Converse and you nailed it with your comment about intelligent and humility along with along with a humanitarian spirit
@@jogo5732 no offense though, why do you think he's not humble? As he comes across very humble to me. Because he always thinks how to word his words correctly
have you seen lex fridman interview him?? Epic conversation
Thank you for breaking the echo chambers. I really enjoyed this conversation.
Came here to say ^this^; leaving satisfied. +1
What "echo chambers"
Huzaifa Ahmed exactly...
oh?
"is was a good conversation. did you enjoy it?" a mindset of someone that actually wants to learn and figure shit out.
I believe there is nothing better in life than conversing like this, id rather have an interoectual discussion with someone who disagrees with me on topics than small talk with someone who has everything in common with me 😂
@@alfiewoodley01 Ditto to the Nth degree. Ongoing small talk is, well, it's like I quickly start hearing a clock ticking in my head, ticktock countdown to the end of my time on earth, time I'll never get back. Problem is finding people to have intellectual discussions with who you disagree with (and who preferably know more on some interesting subjects so as to learn from them), who can still master their temper and remain rational and cordial and importantly backup their views with some references when asked instead of getting upset.
"Man's most valuable trait is a judicious sense of what not to believe." Euripides, Athens 480-406 BC
It should apply to both sides
Peterson is not someone that actually "wants to figure shit out" He has made his living dumping his shit on other people then saying, "Hey there! I just noticed that you are covered with shit. Peterson is a controversy generator who attempt to monitize his creations without fail.
@@raykirkham5357
"I dont know, I'd have to think about that."
"That's worth giving some serious thought."
You're right, that's really spoken like a man who doesnt want to figure anything out(!)
It’s clear that russell is much more than the eccentric characters he often plays.
I was just thinking the same thing.
Completely agree. Having watched a number of his videos it's clear that he is both very intellectual and spiritual. He has layers like an onion.
@@dion6146 and you can watch him become more grounded and less political over time. Like he can simultaneously roast rush limbaugh and have Jordan Peterson on no problem
And far more sensitive, compassionate, intelligent.
I mean, what characters are you referring to? From any of his recent films?
I love how the conversation bounces all over the place and explores so many areas. It just goes to show that long format podcasts are better than traditional media sound bites.
The difference with this interview is that Mr. Brand appears to have actually read and watched Peterson in preparation for this. Well done, Russell.
Very true gained a lot of respect for russell in this one.
Great interview. Russel was very formidable up against the brilliant Jordan Peterson.
Yeah, I gotta give him some props.
Kudos to you Russell Brand, I admit to having pre-concieved notions about you, but you genuinely seemed interested in what Jordan Peterson was saying. I think this is a good example of people being able to realize that they may have more in common than they initially think.
Must admit, I thought he'd be antagonistic and SJWish at him.
Fair play.
Wish he'd have had the same attitude in the Sam Harris interview
Hellhole, he created that character and nurtured it: it's not people's fault that they identified it and followed what he literally wanted to put across.
hellhole I think we all make these snap judgements though, no one is immune to bias.
hellhole , I have never seen Brand on a talk show, only him talking by himself at a camera saying some very irrational and dogmatic things. I think speaking to someone like Dr. Peterson has a way of calming people down and he expresses his views in a way that invites polite discourse. It may be that Russell is growing up but he is still a gigantic bell end
My first Russell Brand episode and I must say, By far this is the best Jordan Peterson Interview I’ve experienced. How often do you listen to an interview where both the host and the guest blow your mind at the same time?
Check the Russel Brand RUclips channel. Might blow your mind.
Anyone else get chills, hearing this conversation....? I wish I could talk this deeply with someone...
It's rare
Two of my favorite intellectuals diving into the abyss. I’ve never seen Jordan so comfortable at an interview. His body language tells it all. Most of his encounters are a battle field. Like always, Russel was engaging, Curious and respectful.
This is by far my favorite as we can see the ideas, theories and depth manifest before us.
I completely agree.
I purposely avoided listening to Peterson for a long time. Partly due to the media hype. Russell Brand though, I have a lot of time for. Loved his early comedy and have been fascinated by his intellectual "evolution"/"coming of age".
Putting these two together makes a great deal of sense. It's a great dive into reasoned debate. Forget the sound bites, let's just talk and see what we learn
Brilliant! I'll have to return to this, much to unpack. Like any good course of study it will lead to me to further reading (listening). RUclips threw up a couple of interviews with Peterson based on my viewing but they were far too shallow to properly grasp his ideas. The algorithm isn't always wrong
Wait. JBP is an intellectual? I thought he was the guy who randomly made up deep sounding shit for white people.
Agree Jordan likes Russell. Relaxed, for a change.
It's incredible that Brand was able to ACCURATELY recount Peterson's espoused views on the subject, and as a result the conversation remained civil and became incredibly insightful.
Axis S 100% agree. So refreshing to hear Peterson say 'yes that's accurate' after hearing his views summarised and then to have the conversation actually move on from that point rather than just devolve into Peterson having to correct an ignorant interviewer with an agenda.
He's come a long way.
I can't understand why everybody is continually underestimating Brand. He's an intelligent bloke. A very outgoing, *comedic*, and famous one, that's his mistake in the eyes of the public. In there lies the problem. Think about it. We associate famous people, especially comedians, with clowns. Do we? Do you think a clown is intelligent? I don't think people do. I on the other hand don't question anyone's intelligence until I hear them speak more intimately about the subjects. You should never underestimate, or *overestimate* anyone's intelligence, ever, unless you talk to them privately. People tend to do that too often. I guess they read "Daily Mail" daily...
dddux Brand is frequently denigrated by the media specially the BBC, yet the brainwashing from the media does not work. His humour is so disarming he breaks through people’s comfort zone in terms of their ideas. His intelligence is endlessly underestimated because he’s a comedian from Essex with long hair, and yet very few people can shut him down effectively in an exchange. He has more in common with JP in intellect and ability than it would first appear.
It's not so incredible, when you are familiar with Russell.
Just watched this interview for the first time and out of hundreds of interviews I’ve seen of Dr. Peterson this is hands-down, the best. So much ground covered in so many great directions because of the mind blowing depth of the questions. Thank you.
This was the most intellectually beneficial interview I’ve seen in years.
Two very different people, respecting each other, vibing with eachother and looking for what could be right... Not who could be right. Ego checked at the door. Beautiful and enlightened discussion
"The conservatives promote the useful end of the distribution, and the liberals promote the generous end. And those things need to be brought together".
Massively underrated statement, I believe there is a lot to unpack there.
Absolutely. There is much utility to both ends of the political spectrum, which stems from our individual, psychological tendencies, and I feel that a lot of people tend to demonize the side which they are not on. Of course, they tend to demonize the far end of the opposite side, which is understandable, but I think most people aren’t on the far ends.
I wrote that exact same statement on a notepad when I heard it. It blew my mind, and describes our political system so well.
The likely reason that statement is so widely underrated is because without evidentiary context it is too complicated an assertion of Truth for most people to understand on it's own.
@@Jamyn1996 Absolutely. And what's more: for what I personally see, it's becoming more and more common to demonize even not the far end. The simple fact that they are on the other side, tends more and more to be enough. It's becoming less and less a dialogue, and more and more like a stadium, where you cheer up for your 'team' and insult the ones that cheer for the 'other' team
I missed this statement’s gravity the first time I listened to the conversation. Glad I came back for another round.
Man, I am truly honored to have been able to act as a 'fly-on-the-wall' for this amazing interaction between two GIANTS in our modern times. I admire, respect, & appreciate you both for what you do and sharing it with us so freely. Thank you, you help more people in so many ways that you will never be aware of.
Jordon Peterson finally put into words what I didn’t know how to express…that Im high on openness and a person who desires conversations that lean towards discovery. I rarely find that in people, and it explains why I thoroughly enjoyed listening to you two! You should do more videos together!
I have never seen Dr. JP laugh so much in a single interview. I love it
You should watch the one with Theo Von, it's not as deep but Theo has some solid jokes
@@ollehammarberg8791 squirrels drawing a pentagram
Except with Crowder
True! What a beautiful exchange of good will and respect resulting in JBP at his best ❤️
Two people treating each other with respect and asking questions to get to the root of problems instead of trying to create quick sound bites. I really enjoyed this interview.
Jordan doesn't really answer any of Russell's questions. He continually bounces around and provides a series of psychological concepts as if Russell was his student or client. Thus, I don't think Jordan is very respectful of Russell
Russel, thanks for this. The genuine communication, the attempt at understanding by both interviewer and interviewee was therapeutic. Just seeing two people actually listening to each other felt like a weight coming off of my shoulders. I desperately wish all news media could step towards how you handled this interview. As a conservative, I think I learned something about myself. I've had so many conversations devolve into arguments that it's changed the way I look at people. I get so frustrated by how news media has become an attempt to be witty and out maneuver instead of a sharing of facts and ideas. I think I've become somewhat like what I hate in that. If you've been struggling with how to do the most good Russel, all I can say is that this interview helped me, continue being an example of good communication.
"You refuse the burden of consciousness by becoming unconscious again."
And that sums up addiction, or at least the general behavior of addicts. Wow.
I totally agree !!!
👁
@@zbestofalldreamshmmm
BOOM!
I wonder if that also relates to the success of AA/NA. They tend to focus on raising your conciousness, with a higher power through prayer, mediation, reflection. The other way of overcoming the burden of consciousness. Cool stuff
Im a jerk, i never thought Russell was so deep. There i go judging a book by its cover.
yeah, me too. I'm very glad I watched this
not really, he potrayed himself as a idiote! Now his more himself, instead of a karacter of himself
I read (heard) Russell's book 'revolution' years ago, and I had that same feeling but amplified coz that book is amazing!
Or the Booky Wook for that matter... :-}
Russell acknowledges his flaws now too and he acknowledges his bias, but that doesn’t mean his own arguments are factually infallible and he recognizes that as well. Its his quest for knowledge and perspective that is beautiful and you can clearly tell that this man truly wishes to know why he, himself, and others think the way they do.
Really nice to hear someone challenge JP strongly but in a respectful and intelligent way.
@Daniel Sherwood oh, I agree with you. You are spot-on. That's why I don't think he challenged Peterson so much as interviewed him. There really wasn't much disagreement between them which is fine and right. They're generally isn't between open-minded thoughtful people.
But every so often brand would go to his standard go to socialist class struggle rhetoric, because he tends to just see everything through a typical Left lens about power and hierarchy and compassion, which is fine but as Peterson points out is not all that useful for solving problems. It's just a starting point.
But when he pulls out his rhetoric which I have heard from him in many different settings that usually goes unchallenged, brand I mean, Peterson gently says well no, not really, and then explains the fault in his logic, and brand wisely gets excited at looking at the situation Beyond his standard rhetoric and ends up having a very interesting exciting conversation.
But I think he learned a lot more from this than Peterson, although I think Peterson was listening open-mindedly and the two of them together went to places neither of them would go alone.
at least that's how I see the conversation.
Overall , an outstanding conversation. I'm sure we can both agree on that
It is the only time I have seen him actually challenged but it needs more.
This is blowing my mind. I don’t have words to describe how fascinated I am listening to this.
Absolutely incredible conversation. It's moments like this that will shape a better world. Thank you both for the opportunity to experience it.
This is what we need more of. Brand, who is left leaning dude willing to bring in people from the opposite side of the spectrum to sit and chat things out in a restrained and insightful manner. Left and right (granted Peterson is not heavily right but he is a bit more than Brand i think) can disagree in a manner that is actually healthy. The recent polarisation has descended into noise.
Pretty much the whole world is to the right of Brand, apart from that small select cabal of power-fiends that control so many of our institutions now.
Peterson is slightly left leaning I would say. Though I have noticed he doesn't critique the right that much, I suspect because he specialises in warning against communist and radical left beliefs.
Yes but i like the fact he is actually willing to engage in a chat with people like Peterson and Harris instead of taking the recent left wing approach of name calling and pigeon holing.
I think he's more critical of the left because that is the way the world, humans are heading. And for the reason its destructive.
I think he would prefer the middle.
multipleman78 wouldn't call Peterson typically right wing, says socialism is needed as a counter balance to capitalism
Russell thinks SO fast that it is really impressive to me that he is so sane- that he has a lot of clarity and is so positively oriented. When you have such an abundance of mental energy and capability it takes a lot of work and vigilance to keep your mind guided down lanes that serve you and those around you. So I commend you for that Russell :) cheers mate
That may be a reason why he chose to sedate himself for so many years- until it nearly killed him. He’s on fire now, but he’s channeling all that furious energy into something good, something we can all benefit from!
You see he had to channel the energy positively in order to let life in
Russel never reads comments
He's either spouting th obvious or gibberish. Read this and learn what Jordan Peterson is all about: www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
You seem to have an interesting definition of same.
This is the way conversations used to be had back when there were no phones and tv's. family and friend used to speak to each other deeply for the sake of discovery or wisdom
Aaaand THAT...is what .gov (.cov) are stunting by trying to rid us of the PUB !?!? ;)))
Well said. Right now all I ever see is the right side watching their fox news, and left side watching their cnn, etc, and then both sides turn to Facebook (lately they take it to their own families too) and they repeat every talking point from their news, and just battle it out. It's completely meaningless and SO predictable. I mean really, the people who own the news must laugh at us how easily we're controlled. Everything seems purposefully split down the middle too. So everyone is so busy trying to fight to be on the winning team, that they're entirely distracted and controlled. I really enjoyed one of Russellville other podcast where he interviewed the guy on how our leaders are full of trauma, and things are driven by trauma. It was very insightful. I am loving these discussions I have come across here! Do you happen to have any others you recommend that you've listened to here?
The best conversations happened during blackouts.
Russell Brand and Jordan Peterson are an amazing duet. Rarely do you encounter a podcast with such absolute clarity. It’s an absolute privilege that such elucidating discussion is freely available. My personal task is to be better informed about the biblical and psychological references they are making.
The amazing thing about this dialogue is how close Brand and Peterson actually are in terms of ideas! I would expect them to be so far apart but yet both learn from each other. This is the type of conversation we need to have as a larger society - talking across the aisle; what we find may actually surprise us and bring us to a better understanding!!
Brand is a faker; he prepared his topic without comprehension- its written all over his bald face; always has been since he couldn't make it until he re-marketed himself as a ridiculous sex god
I mean he doesnt have as comprehensive a view as Peterson, he's not a doctor, but he is wise in his own way. I thought it was awesome to see Peterson talk to someone who more like me in terms of knowledge.
if you understand that, then youll understand this... the left and the right are mostly the same... the differences are present in the extremes... much the same as the rest of the testing. as such, our ideas and ideology are similar but the differences are present in the views of how we can build our society to the height that it can come to. if we are able to understand that... then we are on to something.i feel that we are on our way thanks to work from both of these two gentlemen... i love you both Brand, Dr. Peterson. you both are awesome.
I believe this back and forth is an attempt to lead thru example
barryh13 this is the definition of free speech
I strongly suspect that anyone with a deeply negative, aggressive or bitter stance towards either Russell or Jordan has either not sufficiently listened to their opinions and thoughts over the years or has not allowed themselves to openly consider them. Both, of course, have their primary positions, motivations and fetishes but here they eloquently and intelligently debate and discuss sensitive but necessary topics. I would suggest tempering the lazy and emotive ad hominem attacks and genuinely focusing on the content. An excellent podcast.
You my friend are too reasonable for a RUclips comment board.
intellectual pygmy... that's a new one. I like it.
Do you really really strongly suspect, or just strongly suspect
Only problem with Russel is he is in bed with the people he says to oppose. Marxist through and through
"Indeed".. (in the voice of Teal'c)
I'm a woman and I have found Petersons work very valuable to me and my family. To get this find on information on utube is a treasure. Thank you Gentlemen. I also enjoy Russle Brand. Thank you both for the time and compassion for humanity.
I love how Russell tries to impress him with his own quotes and gives himself accolades by keeping tally on a scoreboard. Shows his humanness and makes me really like him!
I'm a huge fan of Peterson and typically didn't like Russel Brand. I always kinda considered him a snooty "holier than thou" celebrity type that hated capitalism while ironically benefiting from it. However I must say after watching this interview I now have a lot of respect for Russel Brand. I can see that he's a wholesome soul with a genuine curiosity and I wish him the best with his podcast 🙏
One can 'benefit' and be against something. Good example is Bertrand Russell. Some leftists also argue that the capitalist also suffer under capitalism, but don't realise it.
Such a dumb and tired argument - "I see you have a problem with capitalism but benefit from it...interesting...I am very smart".
efcdk92 It's very stupid. Oh I see you're against wage slavery yet you work and buy products. Interesting.
As leftists we do have the obligation to support richer people doing the right thing though and not call them names. But Russell is far from elite level finncially.
I think he's 95th percentile in trait openness but without a solid foundation in first principles so he's susceptible to bullshit ideas, especially since he thinks wide but shallow.
Russell is intelligent enough to get his ego out of the way which allows him to learn and grow. He's somewhat stuck in the lefty narrative but he's not dogmatic with it, as we see in this interview. Someone with the depth of JP can bring the best out of Russell because he didn't agitate his rebellious side. Credit to both.
I feel incredibly humbled by the fact that Russell and Dr Peterson got together and shared their thoughts and feelings on various topics. This was one of the deepest, most enlightened discussions I’ve seen on YT. I will encourage everyone to watch this video!
Thanks you both!
Extraordinary interview Russell! You are so far the only person to interview Jordan Peterson on his level and make it an enjoyable 1.5 hour conversation. Thank you!
"I had this idea and I wondered if it would hold up to scrutiny, so give this one a thought."
What a thing to say. Words to live up to
Easily the best interview with Jordan Peterson I've seen as for once he's able to talk without being attacked and properly convey his opinion.
The Rubin Report
@@muz201 Dave Rubin does not have enough knowledge or competence to counter argue JP.
Watch Peterson and Zizek or the Sam Harris Jordan Peterson series those are awesome
@@joshuaharris7869 do you mean the live debate with Sam Harris? I've seen that but not the other one with Zizek
Jordan Peterson literally saved my life. Thank you, Russell for giving Dr. Peterson the platform to express his views.
It really warms my heart to see Jordan Peterson in an interview setting where he starts out (like in most of his other interviews) poised in a slightly stiff posture, preparing for the possibility of the usual onslaught of "gotcha" questions, before he realizes what kind of an interview this is going to be and he starts to lean comfortably into the sofa.
Yes. He seems to really like Russell. He appreciates Russell's genuineness.
Praying for you Russell - I believe you are absolutely vital and God is on your tail. Love you!
Yes Amelia - me too. He is one provocative truth and goodness seeker !?!? ;)
omg he mentioned and praised a very well known Romanian author Mircea Eliade
He is very respected in our country, one of the best intellectuals of Romania.
So cool! Thanks Jordan!
Laka Roxana i think he mentioned Cioran too in a podcast.
Aerith Rin great! Good to know
Just goes to show that Dr. Peterson really, truly knows his stuff, and should be taken seriously. Those that dismiss him never take on his arguments, only straw-man him, and label hims with SJW terms.
Yas, yas, yas, yas, yaaaas!!! ^^
indeed. I have the History of Religions back home and it is amazing.
This video gives me hope that there are people searching for truth, goodness, and self-improvement. Thank you for the civility of the discussion, the depth of the conversation, and the willingness to challenge the audiences of both individuals. We need more of this type of exchange in our public and private lives. GREAT JOB!!!
how? Peterson is in it, so all truth and self improvement has ben cast aside for dogma, sadism and love of rape.
I'm only 14 minutes in; but already I can say these. Thank you Dr. Peterson for admitting to concerns that arose during these early periods; I can only imagine other people would be more concerned with saving face, or appearing impervious during the interview. And, thank you Russel, for giving an honest, and REAL summary of your understanding of the controversy. There were no traps, or implications, or anything else. Just an honest statement opening the door to conversation. It's inspiring to see this happening. And it's painful to acknowledge how rare these moments are.
Loved the discussion! Both of you were honest and humble. It was not a dog fight for the crown! Seems to me you guys have serious stuff in common and you are willing to share the stage. In fact at times when you were at the periphery of your knowledge, on both sides, there was joy to explore together! Please do it again! Thank you!
The fascinating thing about this conversation to me is that I think Russell and Peterson have both been misjudged by the left and the right. Most conservatives talk about Russel like he is some hippy dippy twit, and he clearly is not. I enjoy listening to both of the men speak and despite not agreeing with everything either of them says, I get great value from listening to them.
Most of the people regardless of their political position are not critical thinker. There are reasonable arguement from both sides, only a difference of perception. But majority don't manage to judge objectively.
Well put. I can't stand a lot of Brand's nonsense, but I would never deny the fact that he has a sharp, curious mind.
Groundbreak Studios I think they are more mis-labeled rather than mis-judged. Neither of these men have anything to offer the establishment that would help further their respective political agendas. They are intentionally mis-labeled as such, not mistakenly mis-judged. Not trying to split hairs here, just my 2 cents.
That's so important to listen to people even if you dont agree with everything they say or do, because you can still learn from them, like both of these two people.
Too many people hear one bad thing and then disregard all their other ideas.
You cant agree with everything some says.
Russell finds people interesting nothing to do with misjudgment. Ironic that as both character's have had media fake news backfire
This was a great interview with Jordan Peterson, I liked Russells interview style and he seems to be one of the only interviewers who actually listened to what Jordan was saying. He also didn't try to push a narrative. Well done Russell.
This is so good. Especially towards the end with positive and negative feminine. Why do people say JP is a racist? I feel he has been wrongly perceived...
Most people that do that have an opinion and ego that is so fragile that they can't stand to listen or more importantly hear what he is trying to say. Or they just want air time and don't give a shit about the truth.
It's not based in perception, but deception. There are those who don't want anyone to listen to Dr. Peterson or the message he has. An establishment that wishes to diminish the individual, not strengthen it. They can't silence him, so they draw him as a scary evil monster so people will disregard. Which is quite easy. They just say "racist" and adjust RUclips and search engine algorithms.
The left label anyone racist that opposes its ideology
Some people discovered peterson's true personality through actually having him as a prof. He's just a person and people actually know him and think what they do about him via personal experience.
It’s nice to see Russel having a dialogue with an intellectual match. I am going for a long walk to listen to this again.Thanks gentle men, blessings to both.
I've watched this several times and it's one of the best interviews I've ever watched. The interaction between the two minds is amazing. The amount of information is explosive. I felt both found themselves intrigued with each other and eventually found more commonality than difference . I really think they could be great friends , even more so by challenging each others perspectives. Bravo
Russell is clever
My sentiments exactly. Well put mate.
It’s fascinating to see how he changed his thinking over time, but even during the interview. I am slowly becoming a big fan of his.
Dr. Peterson on personal responsibility: "Don't recommend any changes that you would not suffer for if they failed." That is profound af.
agree with you, but it’s merely an extension of Kant’s categorical imperative though
AF? Dan is the type of SJW Feminist that smokes weed and says 'unpack' and 'problematic'.
In other words, be careful what you wish for.
I love love love both of these men, and they’re never ending quest for Truth and Light. To see them together like this is just awesome.
I'm glad you two got together two of my favorite people talking on this platform currently
This is probably the only discussion Jordan Peterson had enjoyed.
He sure enjoyed his two podcasts at Joe Roegan. Also his interview at the Rubin Report.
@@stefan1924 I'd say he's enjoyed most of the long form discussions he's participated in that have been genuine discussions and not attacks. Even his debate with Sam Harris, an intellectual opponent of his, he cited as an experience that helped him learn and grow his ideas.
Theo von
ddandymann that made me look on google for the meanings of words more than anything I’ve seen😂. Was quite something.
JANITOR one of the best!!!!
Although I wholeheartedly agree with the content they are covering, I am more fascinated by and supportive of their style of communication. They are almost channeling.
There was indeed natural synergy between these two. Enlightening to say the least...
JG Alegria a great example and musicians make mistakes when playing live but it’s more about recovering from that live toe stub and making it work with the audience. The right mixture of working together and understanding and focusing on the important bits and work on the mistakes but don’t let them fuck with you.
"There's a price for everything! The price for creativiti is that its hard to catalyse an identity" - J.B Peterson
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That sentance right there just. Damn, everytime i listen to Peterson its like im having a meeting with my executioner, i never know what he might say that can just break me for some time :D
it means nothing pea brain. Right winger?
Are you talking about the annihilation of the intellectual process, through the contemplation of paradox, leading on to higher understandings? If so, I would have thought he would appear as a creator more than an executioner! Just what are the limits of knowledge if any, and the starting points of faith?
Could you please explain that for me? 🙏 I think I'm missing it.
"The price for creativity is that it's hard to catalyze an identity."
Creativity is the conscious awareness of the endless possibilities in one's life.
Endless possibilities when it comes to hobbies, jobs, friends, personality, spiritual development, i.e. the endless possibilities in each present moment and conversation through time, etc.
It is the inability to decide on what person you ultimately are going to become. To be, or not to be. Or what to be?
With limited time, either we create, or we create for others. Catalyze early, emphasize on your best traits, and integrate it all consciously into the Self that maintains its integrity over transformations/time, then project that honestly through yourself at the world.
Something along these lines, hoped this helped paint a clearer picture.
That same line didn't break me but gave me some heavy- duty insight into myself. It was actually freeing to understand that I am a divergent thinker. My problem is sometimes I get lost with it and can't t seem to converge again. The story of my
life, a flitterfly. There are times people get irate with me in a conversation because I see a thread, diverge and run with it. They don't see how it is relevant to the conversation where I do. I wish I had a tiny iota of the oratory skills of these two men.
“And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what is best..” Philippians 1:9-10
I have one for you. Why do we disregard Exodus 3:13-18, Isaiah 7-8 and Matthew 1?
Huh. So this is what a conversation looks like.
Dialogue, the thing politicians, ideologues and journalists avoid like you would avoid a leper.
This is what two intelligent people discussing their worldviews should look like!
A video every politician and interviewee should watch! No overpowering and cross speaking, absolutely interesting to watch!
In politics, shit floats.
@@skiaddict08 Maybe thats apart of the problem? We should take some responsibility for the media and politicians and hold them accountable.
Right? Two people curious, listening, respectful .... would we have patience for politicians discussing issues this way? Are we conditioned by media to listen only to sound bites? Or is media just responding to our short attention span? Either way, I’d rather live in a world where different perspectives are discussed and learned from...not necessarily a resolution where one side must win
The ultimate bucket list item would be to spend an entire day with these two and just..listen. Throw in a question once in a while. What a day that would be.
This was the most enjoyable dialogue I've heard in my life. Beautiful paring of two acutely honed and intelligent minds. Absolutely delicious. I'd listen to these guys talk for hours. Truly a treat. Please do more...
Both Russell and Jordan Peterson are enjoying the conversation immensely. Very intellectually satisfying and, as always with JP, enlightening. Thank you!
jesus jones
Interesting. How exactly does Jordan Peterson represent a ME ME ME ME perspective? His professional and moral mission in life seems to be helping others evolve, so it's a bit difficult to see. How does a "satanic luciferian" decide to create a series of lectures dedicated to interpreting the Bible is also beyond me.
I don't worship anyone. I just asked why you would think he is self-centered when all he does online is try to help others.
But as you admit, in a roundabout way, that you're unable to tell me what the problem is, then whatever.
You send me a link to a video of Tsarion bitching about Peterson not coming on to his podcast? What does that have to do with anything?
Well it was more of a therapy session that Brand I strongly suspect craved. YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT MANY DRUGS AND EXPECT YOUR PSYCHIC TO BE HEALTHY
One must focus on themselves, go internally & help themselves before being capable of helping others.
jesus jones - Oh, that.
Russell, you did a terrific job in this interview. In my opinion this is the best public conversation so far that Jordan Peterson has had with a person on the left like yourself. You did something important here that you can feel proud of.
Hell yeah this was great. Much better than the Sam Harris interview, in my view.
Couldn’t have been said better!
well said.
Dionysus - I feel like sam is not very good at talking to people who disagree with him. I think he often takes is view point for granted instead of going with the ebb and flow of the conversation. I agree this podcast was much better.
Daniel Cobar the issue is that Peterson uses ideas, Harris uses facts.
the problem is that if the person on the other side of Harris doesn't know the facts, or accept them for the sake of Sams argument, it's frustrating and pointless for him to continue.
an example would be debating Islam assumes you be at the very least read the Quran, but Russel hasn't, and won't accept Sams understanding of it - so it's hard to continue the conversation entirely built on t e foundation of the understanding of the factual material.
since Peterson focuses on the ideas/philosophy, he can simply fill you in on the punch line on the spot. had he had to argue against Islam, it would have been just as frustrating
Hands down one of the best conversations I've ever heard. Please for the love of God can we have more open, truthful and fair conversations like this.
This is a fantastic talk. I'm so thankful you two managed to meet together! I hope we get a part 2🤞
A pro-communist and anti postmodernist walk into room... and have civil discussion trying their best to understand each other, like the way it should be.
Russell had a much more facilitative and productive interview style here than in the Sam Harris interview. It would be great to re-interview Sam using this type of approach.
Brand is more of a anarcho-collectivist like Chomsky, Peterson is a religious capitalist
I was expecting a punch line...
Danilo Vega Brand's stance is debatable, but I wouldn't call Peterson a religious capitalist - that title is more fitting for Pat Robertson or Joel Osteen... I don't know what to categorize JP.
ApotheosiZ peterson on many occassions has labeled himself a classic liberal. He doesnt want to overturn free markets, but as far as i can tell hes not against gov assistance to help out the less fortunate when needed.
Scrolled through a lot of the comments expecting left v right arguments but haven't seen any of that (maybe I didn't scroll far enough?). Happy to see this sort of conversation happening. Perhaps it's a sign of times changing and open discussion between opposing opinions instead of slandering will become the next place we get to. Good stuff.
D Cognit Jesus I feel horrible!! All you guys getting all philosophical and I just got done making fun of Russel's Man Bun.
Since I was a teenager I always find it obvious that there are truth on both sides - and even most religions I know - but also limits, which are not always easy to define, especially when conflicts oppose persons with different views.
There is still hope!
Jordan and Russel are actually pretty similar in some ways. Both extremely creative, curious, empathetic and in many ways spiritual men.
Hej Yeah they seem like they'd make great friends, it really surprised me. With any luck we'll see them chat again.
This was such a wonderful time to witness in Russell's life/career.
I'm grateful these videos are here.
it's so COOL (as russell would say 😄) to watch such an insightful interview filled with so much respect from one to another regardless of disagreement. Plus the eloquence from both of them is on another level. Definitely helpful and entertaining to watch in my opinion, thanks for that great interview.
My view on Russell Brand has taken a 90 degree turn. I hope these two can meet again and have another astounding conversation such as this one. Really, one of the best JP interviews I’ve seen.
The most intelligent conversation I've heard in a long time. Feels like the collective consciousness just expanded its reach from this meeting.
For sure
Nice
One of the generous and good things you've done lately was help people think Russ. I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. Highly educational and enlightening.
I love this, Russel please keep creating, it is clearly one of your gifts.
The more conversational interviews I see with JP the more I get the sense he's quietly leading the conversation and treating it as a therapy session, bringing clarity to clouded minds. Great video.
It's interesting how Jordan will first repeat back to the interviewer in condensed form what they said and then he gives his reply.
Definitely agree with this.
Very true. I meant leading in that he's always aware of where the conversation is going and would rarely be surprised. I think once he has a sense of a person he make certain assumption based on their personality.
There's an element of that. But also, it's apparent he's always trying to reconsider his own points as he listens and responds.
Well said. My senses are telling me the same.
I follow J Peterson's work. Middle aged, left leaning, female and I'm not alone in my demographic.
Patricia Blue I am female, 38 years old, and I listen to peterson daily.
Ditto!
Patricia Blue same!
So glad you broght this interview back up using a clip now in 2021 and gave us the link back to see this in entirety.
Thank you this was very deep and mind opening for me.
2 brilliant minds exchanging ideas in an open and creative way. Love to both of them and their families! ❤
It's harder to connect with our Kids when they're through their "teens" years, but here I am watching my Favorite Professor and mentor Dr. Peterson with my 16 year old daughter which adores Russell, The Universe aligned itself over my Home today Lol...!!!
I had some sympathy for both of them... and enjoyed the good talk. Maybe a bit complicated for a 16 yo teen, though ?
Smart Cat Collar Project complicated for a 16 year old!? I'm 27 and felt completely out of my depth of understanding most of what they were talking about lol
good for you and your relationship
I discovered Jung less than 2 years ago, and I'm much older than you, so... maybe don't feel bad about it !
Russell
That was a brilliant interview - even when you disagreed you didn’t disconnect
You didn’t push an agenda
You where fantastic
Any chance you pick up a job a news 4😜
Talk about damning with faint praise.
Well done, Russel. You managed to resist being an ass-hat for over an hour.
The only reason, the ONLY reason Russell Brand condescended to do this interview is because right now, Jordan Peterson is in the eye of the media, and he wants a piece of the limelight. He would not have been remotely interested in talking to Jordan Peterson a year or two years ago.
I most certainly heard an agenda in Russell's questions, and JP responded to that agenda in each one the points they discussed. Both were friendly and respectful, and It made for a good discussion.
achapa799 Russell rarely has the foresight to shut up and learn something from anyone on the other side of politics. He's always too busy virtue signalling and talking over people smarter than himself. This interview is a rare performance.
achapa799 if u want a great interviewer check out Dave Rubin ... far more accomplished.
Russel: ”What is the answer then?”
Jordan: ”It’s literary what u just said bro”
Two of the brightest minds living today. This is a prototype of what an intellectual, civil, and respectful discussion should be. It's certainly no surprise that these two gentlemen would exemplify such qualities.
I used to really hate Russel, but now I feel like he is attempting to debate people who disagree with him. I like this.
maybe he could start by revisiting small c conservatives like Peter Hitchens and Nigel Farage ... with an apology
Russel loves the wu wu peterson likes to push about religion. peterson is great in other areas, but in this metaphoric truth stuff, he is trying to push. it's nothing but wu wu.
I respect Russell's ability to manage his disagreement.
he is ok after he shoots up.
Dude has been sober for years
Sarah, poor sweet dumb Sarah ...
Your will to self discipline & abstain from drug, alcohol & porn is worth praising 🙌❤️🙏
Thanks I needed that
Looking forward to porn tonight. All things in moderation.
Nice to hear JP in a friendly environment - for once - so he really relaxes, opens up and let's his humor show.
This is more like watching a professor having a great conversation with his favourite but naughty student.
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu ok pal whatever you say
Who is who :P?
@@RnJBeats are you somehow trying to imply that Russell is even close to as intelligent, knowledgeable or sophisticated as Jordan? LOLOL 🤣 cause he isnt at all anywhere near his level. Russell is very intelligent and is capable of absorbing information and reformulating an equation with that newly acquired info.
@@mikimiyazaki simp less bro
@@RnJBeats uh. What?
I could take another 8 hours of this.
A couple of months ago, I thought "what would Peterson and Brand think of each other?" But then I thought that their worlds are too far apart for them to make contact.
Thank God for the internet!
They both have a great respect and value for truth. They come at it from different ends of the spectrum. But both admit their leanings and biases, and generally want to understand the other side.
Brand deserves a massive amount of credit, because he is so contrary to a popular Leftist, where they refuse to talk to Peterson. He's the first real pseudo-Left person I've seen engage him in a conversation.
They are both searching to make humanity better for all by searching for truth.
See, I really love what Jordan Peterson is doing in these conversations, and he’s inspiring people as a “father figure.” People talk about him almost engaging in therapy, but from my understanding of what he does... I could offer endless praise!
But so, where this is a truly incredibly difficult thing to do is when you only have yourself to answer for, and you’ve isolated yourself in misery, and you’re in the middle of suffering for your actions.
And I’ll give you a solution that takes real *determination and *discernment, during these times of utter distress.
Whatever the conflict is, the inadequacy, the wallowing futility, BRING these things to their Ultimate *Extreme. Begin a bit of brainstorming to *Tell yourself a *Story of wild exaggeration, developing it into a *Comedy with a happy ending.
Say, you’re currently stuck at the very point of no return, and you simply can’t will yourself out of the depths... all you need to do is introduce to yourself the possibility of a leap of faith, to hypothetically drop off of the point of no return to the place you fear the most and attain Real, True, Clarity.
What Jordan Peterson is doing, and in ironically many more words than I can personally manage, is guiding the conversation to very distinguishable Moments of Clarity and unquestionable Truth.
He does NOT have any patience for Deception and self-sabotage. Cathy Newman is an example of him keeping it on such a respectable level that she believes it went well, while he got exactly what he wanted which was those moments of True Clarity (“Ha, Gotcha”) where he felt like he was actually speaking to the real person.
This is still so good, two good people having a discussion, no hate, no judgement, just a discussion, as it should be.
Two different opinions does not mean you have to attack the other person, you guys prove that so well in your talks.
10/10, you two!
The conversations between Russ and Dr. Peterson are gold. It's quite amazing watching two heros of mine coming together. Russ is seen to be more 'left' and Jordan more 'right' but they both transend those decisive labells. It is criminal how our political leaders do not conduct their discourse when they disagree in the manner these men do. I have learnt so much from both of them and my life is better for it. I have two of Peterson's books and they have really help me to get my act together and his maps of meaning lectures are amazing. I class myself as a spiritual atheist, a Sam Harris type (who I'm also a big fan of) if you will, but even his bibical lectures have really helped me to respect religion, use the teachings of the Bible and realise how I do in fact have an idea of God even though it isn't maybe the Christian one but a hierarchy of values which I didn't even realise. Russ has helped teach me when it comes to media, always follow the paper trail, whose benefiting from the decisions made by government, see whose got a financial interest in the decisions being made and you quickly learn about the corruption taking place when you do and it's a million times worse than I first thought. Russ also keeps me focused on my well being and I have loved discovering other spiritual teachers from his work such as Ekhart Tole and those with a more Buddist/Taoist background and I have gained so much from those teachers too, Wayne Dyer RIP was my first opening to spirituality. All these amazing men have helped me in some form or another even when some of their ideas are in conflict with each other, especially as I never had a father having these great male teachers to look up to has been a true blessing. So I will be forever grateful to the work of people like Russel Brand and Jordan Peterson and just being able to listen to a conversation like these for free is truly something special in this day and age. The elite powers want to shut down voices like JP and Russ but what they don't realise or don't care about is how bloody important these type of men are and how many lives this type of content saves.