Sam Harris Speaks About Jordan Peterson's Views
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Sam Harris reflects with Chris on his current relationship with Jordan Peterson. Does Sam Harris think Jordan and himself drifted apart? Does Sam Harris see a future rekindling of their public appearances soon? What does Sam Harris say about Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson discussing him on the Joe Rogan Podcast?
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Hello you legends. Watch the full 3+ hour podcast with Sam now - ruclips.net/video/carZ3_02-Xg/видео.html
Thanks champ
Is that a dolly shot? Excellent. Too much production can interfere with the audience's ability to follow the discussion, but you're finding a great balance.
Looks like a good one , Thanks . That guy got blasted off his high horse , seems to try and play it down . Big ego . A bit of humility is a good thing .
It's Tuesday today. Do you mean that it will come out next Monday?
Hey Chris, just wanted to say its such a good move to warm people up with clips before instead of after the podcast. Something Joe could learn from. (although I don't think he cares haha).
Thank you so much for being such a wellrounded and intelligent man. Truly inspiring ❤
I was an atheist from the start and still am.
I've consumed about 500 hours of Sam Harris content first, then started listening to Jordan Peterson.
Harris taught me how to notice and uderstand my emotions and how to be happy with the present moment.
Peterson taught me what my long-term priorities and needs are and helped me understand how to live in a way that is more productive to society.
Listening to Harris was intelectualy stimulating, but did not really impact my life in a big way, other than making me a bit more happy in general.
Listening to Peterson completely transformed the way I live and actualy "changed my life", making me a better person in all aspects of life.
Great comment
Taught u something he doesnt apply himself. And ur still enraptured by him......
Thoughtful stuff, there. Thanks for sharing.
"Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime." The long game is harder, but the benefits you reap will come in due time with interest.
@@whynot1548 And I am pretty sure OP fails to practice what Peterson "taught him" as well. We always fail to live up to our standards.
When Jordan was asked who his smartest opposition is, he said Sam. There is a lot of respect between the two. They're both great.
I think he also said that speaking to SH about religion was like speaking to a really intelligent 9 year old about it.
Agree though both are great and would love to see them debate/chat again soon.
Jordan is too polite. Alex O'Connor or Matt Dilahunty would be a tougher opponent and I don't rate either very much.
@@alisterrebelo9013Doesn't matter that you don't rate either, because Peterson is practically incoherent on religion
hes not really a match because sam is forthright and speaks clearly while jordan is wishy washy and loves nuance
@@mljh11 I put out an opinion and then you replied with an unsupported assertion. Good thing I'm an Aussie and I can say 'stiff sh!t' to you.
SH: Two times three equals six.
JP: Two times three equals the intangible evanescent process of unknowable numeracy linked to the transcendence of the highest hierarchical integral foundation of the ultimate structure of our being.
I think you're quoting what Deepak Chopra would say. Jordan Peterson would say "2x3=6 is true only if we are sure the human civilization won't get destroyed from that belief, otherwise it's false."
Harris has been working on a project of humanist based spirituality for 15 years now.
His principle has been that, obviously, there must be a worst possible state of existence to avoid and a best one to promote.
If such states exist, he has yet to foster any agreement between actual human beings on what those states might be.
@@makmanos Either way he'd spew absolute garbage.
When I found out about Sam Harris, it was such a pleasant surprise. Not that I've watched every content of his, but the ones I've seen/heard so far almost gave me the feelings as if he were reading my mind.
Sam was my gateway into bettering my life about six years ago where he taught me to become more spiritual and subsequently spend hundreds of hours meditating. This opened my mind to the possibility of a more meaningful and purposeful life by changing my orientation to it. I then found Peterson where I spent hundreds of hours consuming his content and seeing him live, twice, and feel the development I made by listening to Sam and through meditation allowed me to deeply hear Petersons message and change the way I live my life, not just the way I feel about my life. I’ve woken up with the explicit goal of bettering myself for the sake of my future and those around me for several years now, thanks to these intellectual titans.
Alex this is absolutely wonderful. I have experienced the exact happening. After a few weeks of tuning into the quiet (through Sam's wisdom and accumulated knowledge) so much of Peterson's deep work and analysis started to resonate. Both intellectuals are, in many ways, two sides of some same coin. As Peterson swims beneath, Harris gives the hefty anchor with which to ground oneself among the lofty tides of self- inquiry.
"Woken up" ♥️
You have described my experience almost exactly. I spent nearly a decade following meditative practice. Sam Harris was a large part of that. When I found Peterson I was older - late 30's - and I got on a plane to see him in Holland. I saw him again live (with Harris) in Dublin.
Both served as important guides and father figures to me
I hate to break it to you, but simply the fact that you consider them intellectual titans shows that your intellectual experience is very poor. I'd suggest reading more literature and going to the theatre. That will really expand your thought process and experiences. I'd start with H.G. Wells and Dickens, maybe Herbert if you're more into sci fi and then Ibsen and Williams for plays. Once you've exposed yourself to actual wisdom, that Peterson crap will sound like nonsense I assure you.
@@cabalpaxiarch7239 Amazing that you recommend reading. Have you read Sam and Jordan's books? Likely not. While you've done it softly, you have revealed a political bias, not an intellectual one. Reading those books is a good part of intellectual discovery and so is Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson. Oh, by the way, they have proven their pedigree by having a positive effect on thousands and thousands of lives. How many people look to you? Yeah, maybe not that many huh?
'They needed some language to help them midwife their delivery into the clear light of reason' - this is an insightful recognition of where much of his value lands. For myself, listening to the likes of Sam, Dawkins, Hitchens and Fry, helped me clarify my thoughts on the role the religion played, and is playing in the world. I cannot thank them enough. There is no more powerful gift that I can think of, than leading others to think in a rational way.
The Catholic church should have canonized Galileo and his "revelations" from God. The church should have become the new center of further studies in that direction. It would have saved the church's credibility, it could have saved the world much pain and suffering.
Why ?They would still be peddling fictional man made stories as divine revelation.@@counterflow5719
@@counterflow5719Bazingo. 👏
The Church's rejection of Galileo's theories are overstated. I'm not saying it was right, but it wasn't because they were dummies The current solar system was redone so many times before and after Galileo that it's very subjective. It's hard to find the info because it's taboo, but look this up. It's also absolutely provable that the individual and the earth are cosmologically, not mathematically, the center of the universe affecting everything in their orbit, which is corroborated by manifestation, as well as Chinese mystics. They were both correct, although the mechanical universe as measured may still not be accurate.
@@DaneTrumbore Nope.
I wish someone like Sam would talk about Peterson before and after his severe medical problems. It seems as if JP has gone in a different direction since.
Now he rants angrily about a black actor playing James Bond.
I agree. I think Peterson has become a bit too crazy to be considered a force for good.
Yep
@@TakingTheMikehe actually starting see the life itself from a different perspective. He is the only one that are able to talk what he felt, not others like you. Much respect to Jordan, he become more humble, wise and emotional.
@@jonathansurovell3516I'm a POC too but don't want a black Bond too. That's just stupid virtue signaling. What else exactly do you have a problem with concerning Jordan Peterson? I personally lost interest because he's increasingly going into the religious direction which I don't care too much for. His stuff on psychology is still excellent though.
Respecful debate between intellects has always been a treasure. There hasn't been enough of it. These days, if people disagree they just hurl ugly insults.
Unfortunately Sam isn’t interested in debate these days. He’s interested in people that agree unequivocally with everything he says
@@josh23992 Meanwhile Jordan Peterson spends most of his time these days on Twitter, getting mad about Elliot Page and fat swimsuit models.
You boys just made @rpmgrlca's point I think.
@@kelvincasing5265 Unfortunately no matter how much it's pointed out, there will always be a few.
Neither are intellects
I like how Harris is basically implying that Peterson is in a bubble because Harris got off of twitter and no longer sees what people are saying about him and only listens to to "channels" he choses to.
What an interesting way of actually making you seem well informed when you are the one who chose to tune out your critics. FYI it wasn't just that one clip from the podcast that made many of us doubt your adhesion to your ethics or principles.
Triggernometry did a good job of pressing him on that twitter debacle and Sam was visibly uncomfortable defending his position, even amongst friends. Sam's just got too much of a profile to row back all the way publicly so it'll probably just be water under the bridge in a year or two.
@@MrXaphus Can't let that happen. It's too much to let flow down the river. It's fundamental to get sorted out if anyone is to take him seriously.
@MrXaphus His own podcast on the debacle was a tripling down.
A bunch of backtracking after the declaration "I'm not backtracking here," followed by a semantics based "explanation" even more convoluted than the original statements. Topped off with complaints about "right-wing trolls making a meme of me."
Pathetic.
Sam's Waking Up app transformed the way I meditate.
Jordan's lectures transformed my goals and how I live.
And the debates between them, which I watched multiple times, transformed the way I approach conversation.
I'm grateful to both these men
Are you religious?
@@Cheximus I was raised secular but multiple people close to me are deeply religious or spiritual. I've experienced its value
@@bartbengal Do you not think those deeply religious people are slightly unhinged?
Perhaps, but not the ones I know. I think you can still have intellectual humility as a religious person if you realise that the contents of your beliefs are only human representations of the transcendent reality that practices of worship can reveal to you. It's the same experience you tap into with meditation
@@bartbengal which religions do they ascribe to? There's being a deist, which could be argued to be rational, then there's being a theist which is outright lunacy.
The production is impressive and basically so good that it becomes comic. It’s a mix between thriller interrogation scene and RPG cutscene aesthetics.
um. the, *i'm gonna half-listen to you while i pour myself a drink and there aren't enough cam angles to mask the totally distracting element of me doing that* part too? interesting.
@@DanielBoonelight yeah, especially that part. Such a power move by Chris having a drink.
@@AntonKuznetsovMusic yikes
Is it so distracting though ?
@@Jpravo no not really
I used to be a hardcore Sam Harris fan, I believed him when he said free will is an illusion, while that still may be true this belief did not aid me at all, infact I believe it made me nihilistic. It wasn't until I decided to take responsibility into my own hands and believe I had a choice in my life that I was able to turn myself around. I have Jordan Peterson to thank for that. While I still respect Sam greatly (and use his awakening meditation app) I am much more of a Peterson fan now. What you believe to be surely true has far more impact on your life then what may actually be true, because it affects your choices.
I take the Bret Weinstein position on free will. The amount you have is miniscule, but it's not zero. I also don't see the point of having this conversation publicly. What else can it cause in people but nihilism? It had no effect on me because I'm an odd duck, but Sam makes a very compelling case for no free will, and how does that manifest in most people?
@@user-gy1pu3gq3d in freedom from regret and forgiving oneself. that's at least what I achieved through the recogniction that the concept of free will doesn't make any logical sense.
I feel almost exactly the same way.
There is factual truth and there is teleological Truth (the arrow which flies 'True'/my 'True' love...), an emergent property/ the 'fruit' of one's beliefs [Galatians5v22]. It may seem right to believe in no free will, but taking it away, by passing laws where all speech, trade, thought is either mandated or forbidden, is the Death of free will, and, whatever the intent, "Hell follows" [Rev6v8].
“What you believe to be surely true has far more impact on your life then what may actually be true, because it affects your choices.”
Excellent words!
I’ve always said that is determinism is true then what difference could it make for anything? Regardless if you believe in determinism or freewill, if determinism is actually true then it doesn’t matter, what matters is what you believe!
It's amazing how he and Maajid Nawaz started the same tour together and ended up at opposite positions on everything in the years that followed.
@@OrwellsHousecat Nawaz is a total crank.
Could you elaborate further?
@@OrwellsHousecat Every time I hear him speak I find him to be quite intelligent and well spoken, but the endless false conspiracy nonsense, the fact that he refuses to address or apologise for it when it's inevitably proven to be false. It just gets tiresome after a while.
@@davidhughes8795 which conspiracy theory?
@@OrwellsHousecat What exactly wouldn't I want to admit? And perhaps he does. You be the judge.
I was one of the people who's intellectual and spiritual awakening was in many ways caused by the conversations between Sam and Jordan. I'm very grateful to Sam for all the rumination he has given me. I think the Hunter Biden thing was more than a ridiculous thing to say, but I'm still grateful. I don't think there's much juice left to squeeze though, and that's why they don't talk anymore. Jordan has moved on to something more traditional, Sam still thinks what he thinks. There's other avenus to explore for fans that are more profitable
Sam would've been better off sticking to the facts which is...
There is not one drop of evidence that there is even obe drop of evidence that Joe Biden is corrupt or took even 1 penny from his sons business dealings. Further, except for the assumption Hunter got his job because of his family tree there's no indication Hunter did anything corrupt either. He was a drug addicted party animal which is a non issue in terms of his fathers administration. It's about as relevant as voting based on what brand of toilet paper either Bidens uses...
It's a fake scandal just like all the others fabricated by the right-wing wing such as Bengazi (sp?), Clinton wss running drugs in the 80s, etc
If I my ask, how old were you when you listened to these conversations?
Lol your user name makes this post hilarious
The conversation was over about an hour into their first conversation when Jordan decided to re define truth as “that which is useful to the species”
And Sam pointed out in different terms to this:
A is true but useless, B is useful but untrue
Is A true?
And Peterson couldn’t answer proving he is a complete waste of my time.
Can you or anyone else link me to what Sam said about Hunter Biden? Thanks
I discovered Harris, Peterson, psychedelics and buddhism all around the same time. Sam is absolutely right about psychedelics, I started as an athiest and a very unspiritual person. Psychedelics unlocked spirituality for me as Harris describes here. I am still an athiest, but have adopted buddhism, and a lot of Peterson's philosophy and mindset on living a meaningful life.
IMO it's all about states of autonomic regulation!
By definition if you believe in something metaphysical that has any interaction with human beings, you are not an atheist.
You should have found Alan Watts first.
@@haveaday1812 Buddhism is not necessarily metaphysical.
@@davidlee4903 Yes actually this was the case, and then the rest follows.
Claiming that Peterson inhabits an echo chamber while, in the same breath, saying how he attempts to maintain his own ... eeeeesh ... there's a great difference between having intellect and posessing wisdom.
@@joshrees3413If anyone is in an echo chamber it's Sam 😂😂
@@joshrees3413 Dude, he just said it himself.
@@joshrees3413 poor Sam
We need intellectuals who can rapidly adapt and change their minds on things. Sam and Jordan debates were great because they were challenging. They should discuss NON-religious/NON-atheist topics simply due to how eloquent they both are.
Real psychology can take many forms in the world. The psychology that occupies a place inside of many (not all) religions is the same psychology needed to unite a man's understanding of everything he knows and infers from the world, including all scientific thought.
There is a cohesive realty that exists above all our 'sciences' and also above philosophy and art and religion, etc... These divisions are artificial, because the study of man from the viewpoint of his real possibility of inner change, ie. from real Psychology, is the oldest & most relevant science to us.
A man can begin to see this more cohesive reality, and this is in reality what everyone is striving for.
All to say that religions are not in themselves a psychology, no - but sometimes religions may contain something inside of them that's very different & can reach a man and begin to change the very character of his inner world & how he is able to see and understand himself and the outer world.
Harris is finished after shaming people who wanted to opt out of this corrupt system and didn't want to participate in experiment with shots and booster.
I prefer he focuses on non sensical ideas or beliefs followed by the masses, he's definitely a philosopher in that regard. Sam's helped me out of the Christian faith, I've always doubted the teachings, Sams logic helped to nail that coffin shut 😂
My experience with their debates was different...I felt neither of them had a deep enough depth of knowledge of epistemology for it to have been worthwhile. They touched on ideas about truth that gave over a 100 years of literature written around that debate, a knowledge of that would have given Sam more tools to challenge Jordan's stance on the existence of normative truth.
@@j_freed what something may religions contain inside them that is different (to what?) and reaches man and begins to change the very character of his inner world (in what way and what direction as opposed to, again, what?) to a point that he is able to understand better himself in relation to the outer-world?
I love both Sam's and Jordan's and how different they are, two people who've opened my mind to many, many important ideas.
Can't wait for the full episode!
For a guy who understands steel manning that characterization of Rogan and audience capture is a crazy statement…
His giant blindspots may not be a big deal to him, or the people 'in his lane' but they are to me. And he was not clipped out of context, at all. Free speech is only for things he thinks are not dangerous. Anyone with pretentions to being an intellectual ought not need the problem of "who decides though?" explained to them. It's a large and jarring incongruity, and his soft spoken disparagement "they are in an echo chamber" is a touch galling really.
Sam Harris been doing those 8 hour arm workouts lately 💪
Probably been working on grip strength after chatting to Pete Attia
It was his choice, he had no say in the matter. It was meant to be.
I miss rich piana
@@willfoster328piana was great. I miss watching his content
He doesnt have free will, so the weights just kind of appear in his arms and hang there all day.
“Midwife their delivery into the clear light of reason”
Sam is a master of condescension & subtle insult
It could be said you were just condescending, too. Reason and Being academically trained to be reasonable is guided by the metaphorical midwife. They saved many women with their knowledge because giving birth is a deadly undertaking. The inner drive to be more than the sum of our parts is because we evolved brains that give up us minds. If we use them to lie to kids and tel! The m the earth is 6000years old bc a boo! Says it, we lie. The Bible does not say ow old the earth is. If one 'does math' and adds it up its making the Bib!e say something none of the authors did. Read it, you will see it's not there. If you'd worked you're entire life to u DeSatan neurobiology and were a doctor, or studied psychology and were a doctor you would want to snare your knowledge. They both do that. Being an erudite collegiate person is laudable. Education in reason makes us all better. Stifling religious fundamentalists literally make their chi!stem stupid on purpose bc they can get out if their dogma. I know bc I was raised that way and it deeply caused real harm to me in many ways. If a moron says I bello people are not good, they all do tis or that, it would appear true in person is jealous. Ignorance has a cure. It's called knowledge. If people aren't educated they will be blithering idiots who vote in governments that hurt them, and make them less free. If one thinks democracy is good, at all, one needs educated people.
I appreciate the juxtaposition of their viewpoints. I hope Sam and Jordan dont become intillectual enemies because BOTH of them have changed my life in very fundamental ways. I appreciate how different they are because it proves there is no one way to think. It is in the grappling of difficult ideas that we move forward. Grapple on.
Sam had this to say about Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan. "In my view they're in a contrarian echo chamber" But Sam removed himself from Twitter. Thus separating himself from those who disagree with him. Joe has invited him to debate Bret Weinstein about his and Sam's opposing view points. Even if Joe was in an "echo chamber" he invited someone who wasn't in it to speak. Yet, Sam hasn't come on to debate his views.
"Sam deleted his Twitter, thus removing himself from this planet"
Video and Audio exists where Sam went off politically. Now one can agree or disagree but it did happen and echo chambers exist even in Sam's world, where rationalizations, perhaps gaslighting (Though I am not sure if the latter is deliberate as I think better of Sam), appears to be driven by emotive concerns.
He had a solid, although uncommon rationale for why he wouldn't engage with random vaccine skeptics like Weinstein. One of the reasons being that he is not a virologist and neither is Weinstein
@@Paakku97 Weinstein is neither "random," nor a "vaccine skeptic." There are so many people who in general have always been fine with most of the vaccines that have been around for decades, but who are calling out obvious discrepancies and conflicts of interest in a rushed brand new product from an industry that before 2019 even the establishment lefties agreed was corrupt. Feeling the need to mislabel these people as "anti-vaxxers" is a huge red flag. I know that wasn't your exact word, but it seems like you used "skeptic" with a pejorative intent, and I think even Sam would wince at that. (Imagine calling him a "random religion skeptic" and thinking you've somehow insulted him.)
@@Paakku97 Plenty of virologists on the Dark Horse podcast, and the discussion does not have to be about details of virology. That is just a copout. The way Sam has swallowed establishment narratives about vaccines and Trump is just..... sad.
Shoutout to the production crew. This looks as cinematic as most major films. Well done!
Seriously! It's gorgeous!
Great mic, great camera. Boom done, no magic.
@@diggie9598 I think it's a little more complicated than that, but you got the right idea! Haha I recently ordered the Sigma 18-35mm for my BMPCC4K and the footage looks nice.
Its too much.
Both the over-the-shoulder camera angles are flawed. Each is allowing unintentional bleed-in movement from the subject they're supposed to be shooting over the shoulder from. I agree the wide format/lighting etc does work well and is indeed cinematic but it's some way off perfect. Having said that, the intellectual content is - as always with Chris Williamson - interesting and informative.
I am happy to say I agree with Sam on nearly everything. He describes my positions more eloquently than I ever could.
Love Sam Harris' precise conversation on intellectual topics! Always learning something new when listening to his podcast :)
Haven't heard sam in 3-4 years. Looks like he has been working out.😅 Though his face looks like he has aged quite a bit.
I mean if you want to continue liking him do not go and see what he has been saying the past 4 years.
I thought the same exact thing. He looks so much older than the last time I saw him, but he does look quite fit.
True but he looks pretty good for nearing 60 years old
@@__-vu8ioexamples please
Sam and Jordan are both brilliant in a fairly wide variety of topics. I always want to know what both of them think about issues. I also disagree with both on various things. It made me happy to hear they have no bad blood between them. At least on Sam's side.
Took the words right out of my mouth
I doubt there’s any bad blood on JP‘s side either. If I had to guess I would imagine that JP probably believes Sam needs a touch more faith in some of the invisible things, and maybe a little less in some of our institutions.
Sam's Trump Derangement Syndrome completely negates anything he has to say at this point.
@@johnbuckner2828 yeah I can't picture JP holding a grudge against anyone unless it was something really serious, personal and unrepentant.
@@LordRykard9376except, that gives limited optionality, greater attack surface, and is long-term ineffective. However,we have no Elders that shun social clout in order to be sought in times of wisdom shortages.
This guy was easily the 5th best Batman in the last 50 years of Cinema.
Where’s the full podcast?
At minute 5 I realized I have no idea what was the question and what Sam is going on about. Yep cant wait for the 3 hour ep
Regarding his Hunter Biden controversy, Sam said "In my world, and in every channel I care about literally nothing had happened" So, everyone around agrees with him? That sounds a lot like and echo chamber.
He's saying that what Hunter Biden did doesn't matter in regards to Joe Biden as Hunter's laptop was used to undermine Joe during election.
At no point did he claim to be immune to Echo Chamber or audience capture, nor did he suggest that his own following is echo chamber free. He simply pointed out that Sam qnd Jordan have slightly different followings. From everything I've known of Sam, if he were asked directly of his following has echo Chambers or if he could himself be susceptible to audience capture, I believe he would say Yes
Everyone around him probably agrees the world is round and 2+2=4 too, is that an echo chamber in your mind? Literally NONE of the claims being pushed by right wing media about the laptop implicating Joe Biden have had any supporting evidence in the years since those claims.
@@robertblackwell8611
You give too much credit to someone who goes out of his way to show bad intellectual faith against such as Bret Weinstein, recently arguing that had covid been 100 times more lethal to children, then B.W.'s position would have been wrong.
Harris is so rigidly ensconced in a bubble (search his guest list for ANY Trump supporter this side of Scott Adams) that it becomes highly projectional for him to talk about others who never left the larger discourse behind.
Sam would never have Victor Davis Hanson or Gad Saad (today) on, or Christopher Rufo or James Lindsay -- as he would be destroyed.
I always loved his poise and the respect he showed his opponents, in my opinion that is the professionalism that all fighters should aspire to.
I was unaware Jordan and Sam were in a relationship, I hope they can work through their struggles
Sam strikes me as a man stuck in a perpetual cycle of “we can’t let the stupid people win” as of late.
this
"It's ok to hide a news story that doesn't work for my side. We have to destroy free speech and democracy to defend free speech and democracy"
He totally lost me when he supported the clear conspiracy among the FBI, intelligence agencies, the Democrats and media.
Even if you hate trump, is it really ok to let the party in power censor the other side?
Had total respect for him and lost it with that line.
Harris is pretty intellectually stupid and morally bankrupt. Idk how people still look up to him.
@@dturtles33sad how dishonestly you summarized that while debacle, especially in light of his full podcast episode about it. Sad
I am all for that considering that it turns out that on judgement and ethics he is one of the stupid people. The world is full of people with degrees who can make good arguments. Look at DeSantis, great CV, federal prosecutor. Smart guy. Turns out to be a political microbe. Very bad judgement just trying to get to the first hurdle in a presidential bid.
I'll reserve judgment until the full episode, but I'm concerned. I like a lot of what Sam has said throughout the years, but I'm increasingly getting the feeling that I will never hear the words "I was totally wrong on this" from his mouth. His stance change on Biden as the adult in the room does not quite qualify.
Just like with Richard Dawkins who I also respect, what I expect from the "greatest thinkers of our time" is the ability to admit fault, straight up without excuses. However great your mind is, and however well thought out your arguments are, you are not immune from getting it wrong. I just want to hear an earnest admitting of fault occasionally, otherwise I find it impossible to take the rest seriously.
he has repeatedly admitted fault. just recently regarding the significance of early investigations into the lab leak hypothesis. are you even following his work?
@@-morrow are you man? He hasn't walked back the biggest take he's had which is his political censorship is good because he doesn't like the opposition. His response to criticism is to delete twitter and respond cut-an-paste that others are in an "echo" chamber when they criticize him. 😂 Maybe offer up rational argument agaisnt his critics. Maybe actually respond with clarity and not a 1000 word soup of actually not answering any questions about his his important takes. Rather he deflects by describing his alleged position within the political left to be the area of "reason" and argument (classical liberalism) and then describes others as fallen intellectuals to the right of center. Laughable man. Give us the reasons and points for your arguments. Reason is ideas and points. It is content to be debated over. Yet all Smith offers as of late is characterization and not rebuttal of other's critiques and 1000 word sentences of no definitive answer.
@@royce7034 well you sound pretty salty because he hasn't walked back points you disagree with, tough. yet strawmanning sam just reveals your dishonesty. find me the quote with source where he said "political censorship is good because he doesn't like the opposition". perhaps try to better understand his reasons before getting emotional.
@@-morrow how is he strawmanning Harris? By pointing out that he has no real argument for his comments on Hunter Bidens laptop? That's called pointing out the flaw in Sam's thought process. That points out Sam's dogma. It's religious. Just not Christian.
@@-morrow it's also what has grenaded his popularity. Harris' slip is showing and he's mad that everyone saw it (except for those with the same atheistic dogma he has). Just say that you were over the top and be done with it.
The irony of Sam accusing Joe and Jordan of being in an echo chamber-citing their views on mRNA and covid-while he refuses to debate literally anyone who holds those views.
Why would he waste his time on such profoundly stupid people.
@@SY-qg6qnExactly, also in Sam‘s words, its a huge opportunity cost. I wish though all of them get „back together“ and figure things out eventually. Such strong minds and characters that are still not being able to find a common ground. What agreement then can the divided common folks hope for, if these cannot find it?
He doesn't want to get even more people killed than these right wing podcast idiots have already done by spreading information. Remember Ivermectin? Bret is still pushing it even though it doesn't work. If you think Sam is living in an echo chamber, you haven't followed his work. Ironically, the people living in the biggest echo chambers right now are these psudo open-minded, "im totally not conservative but I empathize", Trump apologist podcasts that can hold the left's feet to the fire but won't say a bad word about the right. The ones that have so obviously been taken over by their audience, and have lost any shred of respect that they may have deserved.
As someone who has appreciated both Sam and Jordan, I would pay a lot of money to see these two costar in a two and a half men parody.
Imagine a blind test of Sam's quote (4:07 and on) against some generic New-Age BS. How many people will be able to tell the difference?
He should debate the very man that invented MRNA treatments.
I would love to see Sam and Jordan do another talk. On a completely separate note, Sam's bicep game is on point.
I love Sam . I agree 100% with him
Sam makes some of the most ironic statements I've ever heard.
He is consistently illogical with almost every word that comes out of his mouth.
@@firefly9838which claim? How about the claim that Romania and Peterson are in an echo chamber, whilst Sam refuses to speak to anyone who doesn't share his opinion on everything. Hiw about the bit where he regurgitated every establishment anti trump piece of rhetoric and fully embraced the lockdown narrative. And despite being proven wrong on many accounts has never once admitted he was wrong, about anything
Come on, nobody comes up to Sam Harris crying while telling him he changed their lives.
That’s more of a statement of their respective audiences rather than an indictment on either Harris or Peterson. Peterson has a younger, more impressionable, “lost” audience. There’s nothing but sympathy from me, and I get it. But Harris is for a more optimized adult who isn’t in that adolescent phase, who is seeking a more mature sense of peace and purpose.
@@ethan-scott So we agere, Sam doesn't have the power to help in Any meaningfull way.
@@tommykoed7493 It’s a more mature journey for a mature person. Peterson is for college men who didn’t have a dad figure. Nothing wrong with that.
Video production is awesome!! Looks like a movie.
the color grading in this video is fantastic.
Also, Sam still got it. I don't necessarily agree with every point he makes, but he is difficult it ignore in public discourse.
I find amazing how Sam truly believe that he is in the 'center'.
He pretty much is. He's a regime neo-lib.
Sam doesn't claimed to be enlightened. Well I've never heard him claim to be in the centre
Which side do you think he is more of? Leftists say he is a right winger and right wingers say he is a leftist
Delusional don't realize how delusional they are. 🤣🤷🏿♂
He is probably correct. His boy, Hunter, is in the White House.
Thanks for this Chris. I'm right leaning and I like Jordan Peterson a lot. It's nice to hear Sam talk here and he's obviously very sharp as well. I think I had a biased against him because some buddies of mine started worshiping him a few years ago so I kind of overcorrected and went hard into Jordan Peterson. I'm trying to live my life more openly when it comes to my information so i'm excited to hear this full podcast.
give his mindfulness app a shot ... it's genuinely life changing
Same!
What's considered "right leaning" these days is still incredibly liberal
@@tayzk5929 lol not me
Not as sharp as Gad Saad.
Fantastic clip, appreciated, cheers
Great insight at the end in speaking of the great need for institutions and media outlets that we can trust post Covid, and that we are just not going to get there with podcasts and newsletters. Now to commenters and listeners, what about the action items?
Sam always sounds profound without being originally profound
Unlike your banal comment here.
@@jc2604 exactly
Same with Peterson
@@johncarroll772 maybe so, but at least for now, Jordan cares about dead kids in basements.
😂
I can't come to terms with someone as "intelligent" as Sam thinks he is when he hasn't shred of humility or even basic awareness. Without these two things, you can't be someone I admire for their insight. And it's not like he backed down from his ridiculous opinions, he's doubled down every time. Get a clue, Sam.
What is the oryginal podcast? The link in description doesnt work for me
I've been working out.
For all his criticism of others, Sam missed the mark in a major way several times over the last couple of years and still refuses to take a step back and take a hard, honest look at those moments, and more importantly, himself. Until then, I'm honestly not so interested in what he has to say anymore. It's too large a blind spot, or worse, character flaw, for me to gloss over. There are also many presuppositions in Sam's arguments that he's completely unwilling to critically examine, let alone budge on, which made his debates with Jordan grating to listen to as they quickly devolved into an intellectual jiu-jitsu match of semantics. They argue from a different epistemological framework, and Jordan is willing and able to view things from Sam's perspective, whereas Sam is not willing to cross that bridge. It's a highly unpleasant form of arrogance combined with close-mindedness that becomes very apparent once you get past being impressed by Sam's verbal intelligence.
I'm not sure I would phrase it as verbal intelligence. Its poetry: unintelligible, flowery, big, empty, worded poetry. It leaves one a little confused, and he convinces you its because he is brilliant.
Also if you watch Sam carefully (his recent interview with Megyn Kelly), his verbal bitrate has declined quite a bit. I postulate this is because he is either consciously or very-close-to-consciously aware of how incoherent and stammering a mess he has become on both Trump and covid, tripping over his own emotionalism -- which has had the karmic price of causing him to lose his razor-sharp hard takes from a decade ago.
IMHO unless Sam more forthrightly apologizes for his intellectual bad faith (opposing free speech on the flimsiest of grounds, lying about Trump-Hitler-OBL, lying about covid and Bret Weinstein), Sam is done for.
When Sam walked away from the IDW, he was psychotically confused that it was he who was sustaining reasonable standards.
@@spiritualpolitics8205 I think you’re right. I used to think very highly of the man, but boy, has that changed over the last few years due to his actions.
I think, in the final analysis, it simply boils down to: “Trump broke his brain.”
Many such cases.
Speaking like a true Jordan fanboy who can’t think objectively so they project. SMH
@@Lip_Gallagher Try again. Come at me with an actual argument next time.
What I got from this is Sam is jackedddd 💪💪💪💪
I truly 🙏🏻 wish and hope Sam Harris to be back and/or more present. He brings a different yet important aspect and perceptions of life. He’s incredibly sensitive, most probably why he chose to disconnect from the “wild west” of social internet media. And truly wish JBP to demonstrate more empathy/compassion to SH.
He hasn't gone anywhere, he's just as present as he was. Just not in the echo chamber where you apparently live.
I'm looking forward to the full episode, I just hope that he can finally accept that he has blind spots and bad takes just like everyone else. A bit of humility would go a long way with this enlightened one 😄
Has he ever said otherwise? This sounds like projection.
He often back tracks on things he's said or clarifies how he got something wrong.
Question for you - what's a big topic you were wrong about recently?
I've never heard him backtrack genuinely, especially with the biggest one which he's asked about. I'm not aware of all of his statements tho tbh
@@saviormoney. How so?
@@saviormoney. What has he "proclaimed to be right"? He is allowed to have opinions like anyone else.
If you have ever actually listened to his podcast, he's pretty clear about where he gets his information and how he vets his sources. And you would also know why he refuses to give a platform to certain people. Just because he's not publishing every conversation to the public doesn't mean he's not having those conversations.
Sam is making the argument that religion, something that holds a deep Moral/philisophical weight to a large swathe of people can and should be arbitrarily engineered based on how he feels. And going by who he has been the past few years, I wonder if people are allowed to come to a conclusion he does not like.
Ok so we should all be religious because it comes with perks like a sense of meaning and happiness. And it doesn't matter if it's all make-believe? I guess it's hard to argue against that
@@ur-cb8xo that's a strawman fallacy.
@@ur-cb8xo Well you could just consider that it comes down to philosophy. In the ends being Amish is a philosophy - one that is sustainable, low-crime, low divorce rate, high degree of equality, and produces babies - lots of babies. It therefore outperforms many other forms of philosophy that measure themselves using the same measures of success - such as liberalism and socialism. However, I don't see socialists abandoning socialism because it keeps failing and then adapting a proven Amish philosophy to their needs. This makes you wonder what is the socialist motivation? The goal of equality, sustainability, fairness, justice - or the process? Perhaps they go for it because they expect more sex and a better job? When measured in terms purely of performance, being Amish is more credible than being socialist. You don't get much more religious than being Amish.
G.K. Chesterton - "When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything" - especially things that are proven not to work, in preference to things that do.
@@saviormoney. do you really think religious books are factual?
@@ur-cb8xoIf its all make believe then there is no such thing as morality, only opinion. Sam still preaches his opinion like a religion anyway, but has no claim to its validity beyond. "I think therefore I'm right"
Where's the full pod?
I think it releases Monday, July 31st.
These clips are more like promos leading up to the full episode.
Wonderful exchange here
Both Sam, and Jordan is hard not to like very much! Seems both like two really good guys! Could listen to them both for hours.
Are we expected to forget about Sam's comments about Trump, Hunter Biden and all the rest? Will be interesting to see if any of that is covered in the full interview.
I'm not sure he needs to as he already clarified AT LENGTH in a full length podcast episode following those comments. That podcast episode is kind of the final word on it. Nothing more need be said, frankly
Trump really broke him 😂
His words betray his true inner body and spirit. Honestly, he seems so fake and hypocritical to me, like a true "intellectual" who loves his western neoliberal lifestyle. A person who genuinely meditates and finds inner peace is not so easily tossed around mentally and spiritually by another person's ego simply from watching the news.
@@jonjaime Along with the country… hilarious!
Love listening to a wide range of intellectuals. Sam is the one where I am almost 100% in line with his thinking but Peterson, Dawkins, etc are all important listening...and oh do I miss Hitchens.
Hitchens would rend Peterson apart. Hitchens was direct and blunt with his language. Peterson is so flowery and fluffy that getting to his point is nearly impossible, even for him.
I wouldn't call it flowery and fluffy, but he doesn't make complex arguments easier to understand in the way that Harris does and Hitchens did 🙂
@@MartinWeller100 And I really don't think that Peterson makes impressive arguments at all. Having read one of his earlier books, I was stunned at how contemptuous of addicts he was, considering his education and vocation.
Then, to make matters both worse and very funny, Peterson completely ignored his own advice to get a medical coma that gave him brain damage.
His arguments were never good. Never impressive. Just flowery. Just fluffy. Circuituitous. Sometimes intentionally deceitful. Other times just bizarre or insane, like the Matt Dillahunty debate. And he lied his guts out about the thing that made him famous, the stupid Canadian hate law that didn't work or occur the way Peterson lied about.
I've never understood his popularity, aside from the right being desperate for anyone they consider a 'deep thinker.'
But Peterson is not a deep thinker. He never has been. He's a shallow thinker who is good at *pretending* , at *faking* that he's deep.
He's just an actor. In it for the money, not the honesty. Like Ben Shapiro or Stephen Crowder or Bill O'Reilly.
@@GoodAvatar-ut5pq the irony of a Harris fan saying this.
@@GoodAvatar-ut5pq False. Peterson is an incredibly deep thinking. You just don't like his conclusions.
Which is fine, you're entitled to you opinion. But as the neolib conceptual paradigm continues to die, people like Peterson will continue to proliferate and make more sense than Sam Harris. Sam was awesome for a time but he's quickly fading.
can we just talk about how Sam has become an ABSOLUTE UNIT?
Right!!!??? I'm surprised I had to scroll this far down to find a comment on this haha. Dude's jacked 💪
All three of these men have had such a wonderful effect on my life and mind. Differences have only accelerated my growth. Thank you!
"I think, therefore I Am"- Sam..
I started out as a Hitchens fan by watching his debates in the early 2010's, and that's how I came across Sam Harris. I have been a fan of his cool articulate intellect ever since. I discovered Jordan Peterson much later, about 2015, just as he was publishing his Maps and Meanings Lectures on RUclips and the beginnings of his Bill c-16 issues were taking place. I am big fans of them both, I even remember posting an email to Sam's socials saying something along the lines of "you and Jordan Peterson should have a discussion, about literally any topic, I'm sure it will be fascinating" Both Sam and Jordan had done podcasts with Joe (another podcaster I got turned on to because of Sam, and Graham Hancock) immediately before they had their first chat, which turned out to be a bit of a misfire. As much as they see themselves as different from each other, and they are to be sure, I see them as being very similar too. like they are both trying to say the same thing, but using a different dialect. Sam's background as a neuroscientist gives his ideas a kind of 'outside in' perspective, like he is trying to understand consciousness by studying the mind externally, like trying to study the brain to better understand consciousness and thinking in terms of neurons and brain regions etc. whereas Jordan being a Psychologist seems to come at the same problem from a kind of 'inside out' perspective. ie he trying to study consciousness to better understand the brain, ie the idea of Jungian arc types representing the collective experiences of millions of humans all experiencing the operations of similar brain structures, and experiencing it as collectively shared behaviours and beliefs. Personally I am an atheist, so I interpret Jordan's religious references as a combination of metaphors and philosophical treatises, I actually think that is how Jordan interprets them too, I don't think he is a biblical literalist, though I may be wrong on that. That is where I think some of the disagreement comes from between the two, Sam spent his early online career with Hitch arguing against a literal interpretation of the bible. so when Jordan says the things in the bible are true, he means it, but only as Obi Wan would say, true from a certain point of view. I think they both have a lot to offer the world, they are both fascinating and they both believe in the importance of freedom of speech and respecting facts and science. I also think that they are both a little swayed by their respective echo chambers, but I think they are both able to keep their vision clear for the most part too. I personally would love to see them have another debate, or rather a conversation where neither party was trying to win points, or appeal to their fans, but just listen and learn from each other. I think that would be something to see.
I think you really hit this nail on the head.
"True From a Certain Point of View" is called Mythology, buddy. Therefor, that's not true. It's easily my biggest gripe with Peterson that he thinks that Truth doesn't need to be based off of Facts. That was an infuriating discussion with Sam that completely ruined my opinion of Peterson.
@GoodAvatar-ut5pq Thanks for taking the time to read that whole comment and replying. Personally I think I come in halfway between Peterson and Harris's perspectives. But there is a big difference between perspective based truth and mythology. For example, it is true that light is a wave, it is also true that light is a particle. It is highly likely that there exists a deeper truth that explains light more completly still. It does not follow that light is a myth because it is dependant on the perspective from which it is analysed. I realise that my example might seem a bit specific and not related to the topic, but it highlights my core argument, which is that truth can be dependant on the framework from which it is analysed.
If you’re an arheist you are literally too stupid or havent done enough research.
Mythology is what it's name breaks down into, real or not? But you can hardly watch a movie or talk to someone when what you're interpreting doesn't break down into archetypes. And that's Mythology. I'm not buying religion but I'm not selling that from person to people there are similarities that can be mapped.
Wonderful way with words
Sam ‘No amount of child corpses compares to Donald Trump’ Harris
Everyone has blind spots. That's essential to being human. Try to perceive everything without bias, and you risk destroying your ego. No ego means no daily functioning in life. Sam his high functioning in his daily life, because he has protected his ego.
@@thorstenmarquardt7274 What in the world are you talking about?
Sam said that there's nothing on Hunter's laptop which could compare to Trump. Apparently Sam wasn't aware of what exactly was on the laptop, so to say iSam's statement didn't age well from the moment he said it is an understatement
@@pansophia93 Have you personally seen what's on the laptop? I have. And aside from evidence of financial wrong-doing, I saw only videos of him fucking prostitutes. Any attempt to ID someone as underage was unsuccessful.
10:16 Yeah... kinda. It's like his blind spot keeps growing and growing. So strange to have rock solid logic juxtaposed with apologia. He says he understands... but it's getting less and less convincing.
Can’t wait for this. I’ve heard you mention wanting to have him on for years. Proud and not surprised that you made it happen.
I dont hope for any kind of rekindled relationship, unless Sam can somehow get through to Jordan. I dont know how genuine Jordan is in the first place either though.
Great point at the end. I think humanity suffers from the inability to believe two things at the same time.
I enjoyed both but Jim Rohn for ever be one of my all time favorite speakers. That man changed my life that I will forever be grateful for.
It’s amazing all the gaslighting that we got from institutions that we need to trust. I don’t think I realized that Sam Harris was part of it.
Indeed. His fateful interview with Konstantin and Francis unmasked him.... To our benefit.
He believes the institutions are pretty much fine. I disagree.
He's part of the establishment thought paradigm. He's the son of Hollywood producers, rubbed shoulders with liberal elites his entire life. He's basically a high priest for the global liberal order.
Most atheists are just agents of whatever social wind blows the hardest
@@kelvincasing5265 No, he believes the institutions need reform, but giving the keys to those institutions to clearly incompetent people doesn't help.
Love the widescreen 4k!
I'm always baffled by how beautifully Sam expresses his thoughts. It's a true joy listening to him speak.
What is beautiful about it?
I think he is well spoken, has a great and very precise vocabulary, and seems to pick his words carefully. But that’s just my opinion :)
@@vaffelproductions Agreed. Whenever somebody eloquently puts together complex thoughts with precise vocabulary, I think it’s beautiful.
Same, man. That little midwife metaphor was something else
@@DollarTreee You would love the Sophists.
Sam looks like hes aged 10 years from about 2 years ago.
He shoot himself in the foot by showing us that the cool kid is basically just a drama queen.
Great guest. Will be looking forward to the full podcast next week. His conversation with Jordan on the nature of truth is still one of my favorite debates of all times. Hopefully they get together in the future and talk about philosophy (well, anything but politics. I don't care for either of their political views)
Yeah, loved that Truth convo!
Loved that convo, and even though I disagree with Jordan on that question, he made me think more carefully about alternative definitions of truth
@74357175
It’s not an alternate definition of truth, Jordan just conflates “utility” with “truth”. The vast, vast majority of people immediately know what you mean when you say something is true. Jordan just twists his own definitions to serve his own purposes, even when no one else uses definitions the way he does. He’s not a very effective communicator specifically because of this
It’s crystal clear those debates with Peterson led Sam to reconsider Christianity. There’s no denying it, folks: the man’s been doing preacher curls.
Both Sam and Jordan are important. A person who knows how to filter through information can understand that both don’t necessarily contradict each other, but compliment. Both have impacted my life in a big way. All I’ll say about Jordan is that he amplifies certain topics I don’t find necessary and the truly profound (imo) are not as highlighted and so, I think he can do better in prioritizing information. He could use less air time and a few breaks.
Sam, is probably one of the most excellent communicators I’ve ever come across. That alone has changed the way I talk about pretty much everything in my life. His meditation app saved my life and a few of those around me. He has made me less successful employment wise in the short term, but overall a better human. The world doesn’t revolve around treating others well and unconditional love- and so I’ve suffered a little financially. But otherwise, im doing better, so it’s a decent trade off.
Both are important and not necessarily at odds.
In terms of trust in institutions and the media- he talks vaguely and carefully as he should- but ALOT of work needs to be done in those fields. I don’t think anyone has good enough ideas where to start.
Can't wait for the full next Mon.😍😍😍
Can’t wait to hear more from my favorite determinist about how we should do things differently!
"contrarian eco chamber" is a great quote. Also: The camera angle always frames the upper arms of these guys really well. Props to whoever set that up.
Perfect summarisation of the world in which Joe, JP and their respective audiences reside in. Thanks Sam keep doing what you're doing.
right to center? that wasnt hard to figure out.
Incorrect.
@@ClydeusMaximus so it was hard to figure out Joe Jp and their respective audiences speak to those in the centre. or on the right to centre more traditionalist. Usually people say incorrect and then explain..
Jordan Peterson knows religion is bs, but he promotes it anyway just to monetize and milk the fools.
They are both incredible people. They have helped me navigate different subsections of my life. Both have my utmost respect!
Harris is a narcissist and authoritarian, but if you ask him, he has to be because when you think about it rationally he’s so much smarter than everyone else so why wouldn’t they do exactly as he says?
This
I lost some respect for Jordan when I heard him talking about atheism. He's not a fan of it
@@VinnieG- so because he has his own opinion, an unpopular one at that, made you lose respect for the guy? Seems ridiculous to me.
I like both but overall Sam > Jordan
Sam thinks that because something is predictable or explainable that it is not meaningful.
Jordan understands that that perspective is one of arrogance.
I’m not a fan of Sam but it’s good to see him.
This marks the 6th time I've heard Harris alude to the failures of our public health and media institutions.
I've yet to hear him utter a single *example* of any of these failures.
The reason for this is that he fears the citizenry's distrust in official channels to be more dangerous than their ineptitude and corruption.
Therefore, he has abandoned intellectual integrity and devoted his platform to maintain faith in these institutions, regardless of the truth.
Honestly, I could salvage some amount of respect for him if he would just admit this, but so far, I've been disappointed.
I have been waiting for this Chris! Sam single-handedly improved my life probably more than anyone on the internet. Excited for the full interview. 🙌🏻🙌🏻
It's insane to see him complain about Peterson's bubble and not acknowledge his own. He literally suggested on the Triggernometry podcast that he was basically glad that information important to the common voter was actively subverted by our news media institutions at the behest of the leftist sphere. I hope this is addressed at some point in the podcast.
Sam Harris is capable of looking at everything except himself in great detail.
I know. The guy honestly thinks elegant phrasing and a 1000 words changes his concept. Maybe actually answer and not deflect for entire end half of an interview describing his political position within the left. That wasn't the question which you n all of us know the interviewer just asked. 🙄🤷♂️ lol
Its Harris' religion.
This comment seems to stem from the Peterson bubble itself, where only the information you have on the topic, and the only understanding you have of the incident, stemming from other right-wing pundits who want to destroy his career.
I'll make it simple for you;
why the fuck would we care if Hunter Biden had dead children in his basement, his dad is who is running for POTUS, not him. And we already know the immense amounts of plain fraud and unacceptable behaviour Trump has involved himself in, and he was in fact also running for president. - Not to mention, that the whole Hunter Biden story turned out to be a story with NOTHING interesting to it in the end, yet Matt Tabibi and the rest of the Elon and Shapiro circle jerk try to make this the biggest news story of our time. Even with the twitter files released, what happened during those "crucial days" were rightfully cautious, and is obviously still going on at Twitter now that Elon Musk has taken over, just more favourable to the right than the left at this point.
@@joshrees3413 The "only one" getting attacked? C'mon now, this isn't at all true. Sam clearly didn't remove himself from the echo chamber if he feels he's the only one not living in one. Have you listened to his podcast with any sort of recency? It's still the same sociopolitical talking points, tinted in the hyper-rationality that only he somehow possesses. Instead he basically retreated into a more secure version of the one he previously inhabited.
Both Jordan and Sam are admirable, in their own way! Glad we have two great minds there! I like listening to both.
A very interesting contrast of personalities. Sam compliments Jordan, very classy. Jordan does help people, cannot deny this. 😊
Yes Sam its always OTHER people who are in an echo chamber. Not you 😂😂 Not the guy that just basically said that as long as his echo cha.. I mean "channels " which are the ones he cares about, agree with him, then he can't possibly be wrong about anything. 😂 Also fantastic job steel manning Jordan and Rogan at the end 😂 I totally didn't yell straw man like 3 times in 30 seconds.
Is this the echo chamber?
To me Sam Harris represents knowledge and reason. Jordan Peterson represents heart and soul. We need both, but at this particular time we need Jordan Peterson just a little more.
Mmmmmm. I understand the why of you saying that, but don't follow the thought. Sam basically expounded upon his willingness to dispense with formalities like free speech, free press, the right of a public to be informed properly, because he finds a rude moderate reform figure to be too scary for him. It's the opposite of cold reason. It's pearl-clutching hysterics couched in the hubris necessary to believe that one, in league with other betters, knows enough to rig the game to get the correct outcome n spite of the rube serf elements.
I once thought Sam represented knowledge and reason. Then he got a bad case of trump derangement syndrome, locked himself in his house for 2 years over covid and called anyone concerned about the vax rollout evil. He has lost the ability to consider the other side of an argument
It's so strange to me when people who are deep into meditation, and in supposedly detaching themselves from their thoughts, are so close minded when it comes to deeply held convictions. It feels so lazy to let yourself fall into that impulsive reactivity without trying to step back. We should be above this.
My best guess as to why this happens is that meditation isn't a tool for making the unconscious conscious. You can look inward all you want, but you won't ever cross the surface of the water. Much of your behavior, your embodied beliefs, are controlled by deeper processes. Too much focus on the intellect makes you vulnerable
Sam is the smartest guy in the building but often the dumbest guy in the room-somehow he makes that possible
What are u on about bro? What about this is impulsive reactivity?
A deeply held conviction - "a firmly held belief or opinion" - might have value for the person who holds it but conviction alone doesn't endow anything with objective worth.
@@vaffelproductions Typical example is politics. I know a ton of people in the meditation/everything-is-love circles who completely forego all of that to jump to full-on hatred of political person X.
@@OleVinny yea they are called liberals
Sam’s ideas have lost their luster. It doesn’t hold up across time, which is an indication that his ideas are weak upon deep investigation.
The deterministic universe will ensure I listen to this upcoming podcast, through no free will of my own.
bwahah. you truly are enlightened...just like Sam.
You didn't read the book, did you?
@@jc2604 I've been following Sam's work for over a decade and have read most of his books. In case you couldn't tell, this comment was a facetious take on Sam's stance on free will (which I agree with).