When Your Flight Sim Hobby Goes NEXT LEVEL!
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- My flight simulator has had some massive updates over the past few months. In this video, I talk about what has changed including full motion and force feedback controls along with some other minor updates like Navigraph.
If there's anything you would like to know about my home flight sim setup drop a question in the comments.
00:00 The Flight Sim Rig Tour
00:12 Full Motion Simulation
01:37 Force Feedback
02:59 X-Plane vs MSFS
03:15 Microsoft Surcae Go
03:50 Flightsimbuilder G1000
05:17 FS Realistic
05:40 The rest
05:55 TV & Monitor Stands
06:10 PC Specs
Check out @VRFlightSimGuy as mentioned in the video
NLR Motion Plus: amzn.to/3RVN7bE (Affiliate link)
Brunner: shop.brunner-simulation.ch/pr...
FlightSimBuilder: flightsimbuilder.com/
Monitor Stands: amzn.to/47djaIc (Affiliate link)
Everything else: linktr.ee/glocmedia 
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Thank you. I was afraid the rig’s lowest position would still be too high. I think I’ll buy either the Flight Sim Pro or the Track Racer TR120.
Really enjoyed watching the video and then you mentioned me wow thankyou! I cant wait to see how you get on and glad I've tempted you back into VR. As for motion, I couldn't agree more, its a proper sim changer! Best wishes and merry Christmas!
Thanks. I love watching your channel although I think it will be a while before I convert the big sim over to VR I am looking forward to DCS and IL2 in VR.
Amazing!!!🎉Great video, giving real insight to the possibilities of our hobby!!! Thanks !!!
Thanks so much. Do you have a flight sim setup?
@@g-locmedia Hello, yes I have, am using the Warthog HOTAS system by Thrustmaster. And would like to moving into a motion simulator plate form in the future. Thanks again for your efforts!!!
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I had a beautiful flight sim, but thanks to a manic stage, with Bipolar, I sold the lot, one of my biggest regrets. That said, congratulations, that is one beautiful set up.
Thanks so much.
You sell things? I just had a joystick but thanks to hypomania I now have no money and a full flight sim setup!
@iamflartebartfarst Oh man. I did the same...then did the opposite. What we need is a mood like a runway...nice and smooth with no ups and downs. We could develop a new FSX mission. Called BP landing challenges. You have to land on 45 degree upwards and downwards runways.
I follow you for a few month’s now and really like your setup and the quality of your video’s (content, lighting and grafics). Let me tell you something about myself and my experiences regarding to your interest in VR (and my interest in your setup).
I am 62 years of age, got connected with FS4.0 while i was in flightschool for my Pilot license and since then never left FS. I flew single and twin engine aircraft, aerobatic aircraft and helicopters for more then 20 years in real life. At home I had a scratch build B767 cockpit at the attic of my garage but after a while i found that i miss flying several aircraft in FS so i got it away and went back to 3 PC displays with yoke, rudders and throttles. Since then i actively fly 15 aircraft types in FS. My RL flight career is over, so now I fly only FS. When MSFS came out I switched over to VR and I have to say that we can not come closer to real flight immersion then as in VR. I have used 3 VR glasses until now (I started with the Oculus Rift, stepped over quite quickly to the HP Reverb and now for almost 2 years have the Varjo Aero wich is the best of the three (Did not try the new Pimax Chrystal after it came out).
Your setup is great and I wonder what it will be ,flying with this setup, but I think I have an idea how….I am almost certain it can not beat the VR experience with the Varjo Aero (or Pimax Chrystal). The Sense of hight, the 3D environment flying along clouds, looking around the cockpit and outside the cockpit windows can not be beaten by displays. Now…your displays are fantastic, but i think when I have this setup i will miss the 3D view. My son is a RL Chinook pilot and was over for X-mas, he was flying my Varjo Aero and was amazed of the realism. With VR we miss also something, like your little displays for charts and flightplanning, but there are programs out there like virtual IPads that can display them in the VR environment. Ans also display V-Pilot for flying online at Vatsim. What i want to say with this story is that both systems are fantastic your three display cockpit and my VR glasses and with my experience I ythink the VR environment brings me back to RL flying the most, but I also envy your setup as well…😊
The Price of the Varjo Aero is recently cut to half, so you might consider this one or the Pimax Chrystal. My advice is you try it in MSFS too in stead of only DCS.
Regards,
Ben
Thanks for such an insightful comment. It's great to see and hear other peoples opinions and views. I am getting a combat flight sim VR setup soon and quite excited about it.
Thanks for posting this! Been looking forward to it for a while. Your content is fantastic. Thanks so much for sharing.
No worries. Are you a pilot. Looks like you are from your profile pic.
@@g-locmedia no, just a student for now. I’ve flown a 172 for about 30 hours then had to stop for work & family but hope to get back there someday. In the meantime flight simming has been my go to. Started building my own little setup which is how I found your channel. Now I’m working to learn more about navigating & IFR procedures. Good idea using the surface go. Thoughts on vatsim vs pilotedge?
holly molly .... eternal respect to build this, I don't know if I'll engage into this but enthusiasm has my respect every time
Thanks so much. Spend as much time tinkering as I do flying
Wow amazing! I’m only just getting a joystick tomorrow lmao
What stick are you getting?
starts with a stick and ends in divorce! lol great life long hobby!
@@cayenne7792 I don’t mind you having a go at me, plenty of people do, but leave others out of it. We’re all here because we love flight sim at the end of the day.
@@g-locmedia what on earth are you talking about?
I went with an iPad 10th gen instead of a Surface Go. Much more responsive. Navigraph Charts fully supported.
Nice. How old is 10th gen? What size is it?
@@g-locmedia it’s the current “normal” iPad (2022), 10.9 inches.
Interesting video as always! would you do a video regarding the difference of using the force feedback systems in xplane and msfs? I am currently owning the brunner yoke and I am planning to buy the rudder pedals also but if the force feedback systems isnt working that realistically in msfs I wont buy them as I only fly in msfs. I also started the sim hobby without VR but now I drive almost 100% in VR.. its very addicting after you have got it to work as you want, buy yourself a quest3 to begin with, and dont forget to buy a motion sensor compensator since you got a motion platform. As for the logitech switch panel, it works better with spad.next as all other logitech panels do and the same is for the honeycomb hardwares, spad.next is a gift from God to simmers, especially if you fly multiply planes. Thanks again for contribuiting to the hobby! Merry christmas!!
Hello Tom. The rudders work great in MSFS. That’s my main sim but as I’ve been starting to fly in xplane the flight dynamics and realism is on another level and both the ffb products and motion platform really highlight it.
Also thanks for the advice with the VR stuff.
I’ve watched most of your videos. Very useful and well done! I’m in an existential crisis trying to decide on which sim rig to purchase. As a pilot IRL, realism is important to me. It looks to me like the mounting point for a yoke on the Flight Sim Pro is too high. On the plane I fly, the yoke shaft is about 25 inches from the floor. I’ve watched many RUclips video on this rig and everyone’s yoke looks too high… except for yours. Did you modify anything to either make your seat higher or the yoke lower? Sorry if this seems a silly question.
You're the only person that's ever noticed my yoke height lol. Yes many people choose to run it higher, I'm guessing it just comes from the general view that's it should be desk height. The flight Sim pro will allow you to get it pretty low but where you see I have it is right at the end of the Hight travel and is like you say a more realistic position. Hope that helps.
Fantastic clip
I also had problems in the past using Logitech items .
I’m looking forward to your vr review with possibly the quest 3 with pass through .
I’m converting a real Raf Buccaneer into a vr sim with connecting up the real primary flying controls ,it’s at the deer centre in Cupar ,I’ll send a wee clip .
Cheers
Dave from Cupar
I sense a Scottish accent there? Where you from? Cupar is in Fife? Yea I’m not sure which VR yet but I reckon the quest 3 looks the simplest.
@@g-locmedia
Aye Cupar is just a few miles from St Andrews on the east coast .
I’m really impressed with your sim content it’s a breath of fresh air 😀
Cheers
Dave
@@g-locmedia
Sorry I don’t know your first name but I’ve sent a few photos to your email 👍
Cheers
Dave
Russ Barlow talks very highly about Quest 3 mixed reality on his channel.
Hi, thanks for all of your videos, they are great! Do you happen to have a video on just the NLR motion platform itself that goes more in-depth, pros-cons, shows exactly which one you got and how it's mounted on the rig, software, etc. I have the NLR flight sim Pro and thinking about adding motion. I know they have two different systems, but not really sure of the differences.
Unfortunately I don't. I have the NLR motion plus as it bolts directly to the flight sim pro frame and moves the whole rig with a rocker at the front. Don't buy a seat mover motion unit though if you use rudders. Makes it impossible to control your feet. If you need any more help feel free to reach out on social or email.
@@g-locmedia Thank you. I hadn't thought about the seat mover/feet and I just ordered the Brunner MkII yoke and rudder.
Great setup. Could you share a video on how you setup the NLR Flight Seat Pro with NLR Flight Stand Pro and NLR Motion Plus Platform? I have interest expanding my setup with dedicated modular setup that is expandable/modifiable and future proof. I use a Wheel Stand Pro with Honeycomb Alpha/Bravo and Thrustmaster Airbus for now which does the job and is easy to move away.
The Flight Stand Pro and Flight Seat Pro just bolt together as one. Really simple. Flight stand pro is equal strength to your Wheel Stand pro. Same build quality.
I fancy getting two of them.
I'd have a divorce on my hands
I love your setup and have based mine on it.
Due to cost I have the Hisense 43 inch triples and the NLR Flight Sim Pro setup.
My main question is in relation to how you have setup your main peripherals on the available space.
What extra pieces above what you get from NLR have you used?
Lastly what resolution do you run the game on?
Cheers
Chris
Hi Chris. I created a platform that is bolted to the top of the Flight Stand pro for screwing everything down. I'm running 4k but with DLSS on performance mode.
Hi there a bit late to the party on this noting you posted a few weeks ago. Really inspirational build and it looks amazing. I am just starting my journey and evaluating whether I can do a triple 4K TV build. I see so much conflicting information that it is/isn't possible in MSFS - things like image distortion on the side screens etc. How does it work for aircraft with overhead panels ... do you just tilt the whole view up? I have so many questions it's hard to get started on a project this size but the results look fantastic!
I only Fly VFR aircraft so i have most of my buttons mapped to devices and don't need to look up. If I did want to look up If look at introducing a Tobii Eye Tracker or trackIR. There's also VR which I don't use but many people swear by it. Only thing is the discomfort level and the disconnect between your physical controls and what you can see in the VR environment. There is no issues with distortion on triple screen now as MSFS support true triple screen and everything can be adjusted to suit. Any other questions reach out.
@@g-locmedia Thanks I literally was just watching your Tobii review video. That encourages me that it might work!
@@chrismayne1613 you can also program in specific views with shortcuts or a stream deck.
Holy Moly Congratulations lol as I watched I wondered, Because we all do it at times lol, Will you Still catch yourself Leaning your head or body as your turning? lol 😆
Ha ha. I reckon I do
Great channel and videos. I am looking at setting up a sim rig soon and have been drawn to the NLR Flight Sim Pro. Are you happy with it? I liked how you put the board on top of the shelf for your Alpha and Bravo (past version of sim). I see now your Bravo is down lower. Is this better, or did you prefer it in line with Alpha?
Also, are you in Australia? I only ask as it is a consideration regarding what sim rig to buy. I am in Brisbane and NLR is easy to aquire from Pagnian on the Gold Coast. I see you did a flight from Ballina to Cooly (G1000). I fly into Cooly regularly for an Aussie airline. Keep up the great content. It is very informative.
Thanks for the comment on my channel and yea I'm in Australia. Yea I enjoy the flight sim Pro. It's quite sturdy. I do have the bravo mounted to the underside of the board now. It is better for me however that's only because I no longer need to access the AP buttons on it as I now have the G1000. If I didn't have the G1000 I'd probably still have it in line on the top of the desk. So you're an actual pilot?
@@g-locmedia Yes, 737 driver for an Aussie airline
I just watch your video again and it appears the Bravo throttle is much lower. Have you mounted it under bench since this video? Is that easy to do - mount it underneath?
Do you know of a sim rig solution that allows flight and driving (racing and truck sim)? The pedals seem to be the sticking point. I don't want to have to keep changing them. I considered a separate rig for driving but room for two sim rigs plus my desk in the study is an issue. Also, not sure how hard it would be for 1 pc to be connected to desktop monitor and 2 sim rigs. I want to build a new high end gaming pc, and prefer having one very good one than multiple lower spec pc's for multiple rigs.
Any thoughts?
Is that 3 television screens? You also mentioned combat flight simulators (I think). How about doing a video on that? I can only imagine how much it cost for you set up. Very impressive.
Yea these are TV screens. The combat stuff is going to be VR.
Hi what front stand did you use to mount the NLR motion plus platform? Can you use the NLR flight sim stand they make? Or can you have your own? As I want to attach my cockpit panel similar to the g1000 pic they have in the website for the stand
The front tv is mounted using a standard tv wall mount. The wall mount is then attached to a bit of extrusion which is mounted to a desk. The standard NLR monitor stand does fit so you could use this.
HP Reverb G2, HP have discontinued now but they are still available and supported for warranty, drivers, etc. Doesn't have the overhead of an Android based VR headset as it's native DisplayPort straight out of the headset. Alternatively on the more high end side the Varjo Aero (for a long time touted as the BEST PCVR headset, is now only $2000 AUD. considering the price tag on the Brunner gear I think that's probably more appropriate than the HP's sub $1k, but as a HP Reverb G2 user I'm still blown away by how good it is for the price, and how well it runs in DCS on my 3080.
Thanks fore the recommendation. the Aero might be a bit out of reach I reckon. Something like the G2 is doable though.
I have a G2 and now use a Quest 3, with it's large 'sweet spot', which I find is much better on my eyes and if you have a decent GPU/CPU the image quality is actually very good. Also you can now do Mixed reality and see your instruments while in VR with Virtual desktop and Reality mixer - game changer :-). @@g-locmedia
so are your pedals mounted on the moving platform as well? I'm assuming yes, else you would be banging your legs when banking
Yea the pedals are hard mounted to the cockpit. This is why I reckon full motion cockpits are much better than seat movers.
I notice you have camera shake on in MSFS, why is that? The cockpit that you made remains stationary whilst the cockpit in the game moves around. Doesn't that kind of remove some immersion? Anyways, i love the build!
It's head movement within the sim. I don't think it can be tured off
What is that circular menu that you pulled up to change the weather (at about 4:20)?
That’s FlowPro. There’s a free version of it.
Motion platforms are for people who like amusement park rides! Ton of money, time, work, maintenance, tweaking/ tuning all to end up right back where you started: UNREALISTIC forces. Your set up is a good example, you can see the discontinuity between your instrument panel and the in sim virtual panel. Motion platforms do not produce realistic forces, Just sudo movement. This is true for the multimillion dollar rigs the pros and military use. Always remember a coordinated turn has no lateral g forces just an increased feel of more gravity so why tilt (roll) the platform in a coordinated turn?
I have to disagree some of those points. First one, I don't like amusement parks and I love motion platforms. Secondly, the one I have is more or less plug and play, it does cost a ton of money though! Finally, I think you might be missing the point a little. Motion platforms are not designed to recreate realistic movements. They are designed to create a deeper level of immersion and enjoyment. As far as pulling more G's on a co-ordinated turn (which you are right) I think were a few years away from harnessing gravity as a tool to re-create this, so for now we just have to enjoy what we do have.
What monitor stand are you using? I have exact seat and stand pro but having hard time find best monitor to fit the stand pro?
The centre screen is on a desk and then the side screens are on these basic TV floor stands from Amazon. The NLR Elite monitor stand I think is the only one that's wide enough for the flight sim pro because of the extra width
I would like i full breakdown on hou every5hing is powerd and connected, cause damn i need some help in building my very small setup and there is not a whole lot of vids talking about the power and connection needed to run a sim
I have 2 x 8 plug power boards behind the screens. That's really it. Then I use 2 x powered USB hubs in to the back of the computer for all the electronics.
where are you based. just want to know cause im coming over to try this because i am very jealous!
Don't see the link for the floor stands. Can you post the dimensions and structure for the center table, please? You convinced me to go with three screens. Getting ready to order.
Sorry mate. Absolute brain fart. I’ll get that up very soon. Within the next hr.
amzn.to/47djaIc
Hey last question before pulling the trigger: was there a setup in next level or somewhere to invert the pitch giving you heave? By moving the unit from front to back it would the input would be reversed what you expect from climbing and turbulence and acceleration and breaking.
Not that I'm aware of. The unit I use won't move front to back only up and down. The software lets you have a lot of control over sensitivity but I'm not sure about reversing it. I'll check when I get home tonight
@@g-locmedia Guess what I mean if its in the front and you taxi and it the brakes the nose goes down. If you put the motor in the back and taxi, hit the brakes, the nose still should go down but now the nose will go up if the motor does the same motion in the front as it does in the back. So it would have to be reversed to work properly. I did see a video in the next level software where you can invert it. Just a thought. I ordered one. I would of used your amazon code, but its $500 bucks cheaper straight from next level.
@@Ginuwine-kx2iv I see what you mean. You have to tell the software if you placed the motion platform on the front or the back and also tell it how fat from the rovcker it its. The platform does the rest.
@@Ginuwine-kx2iv I actually have a 5% off code for NLR direct
check out my website and you'll see the link to NLR products witht he code
Why does your PFD on screen move so much after the full motion install? That would drive me crazy that you can’t see it all the time.
Not sure I know what you mean by "Move so much?"
do the screens reflect the movement of your motion base? It seems like it doesnt, so that would confuse me.
No they don’t. That mould need some motion compensation software. It honestly doesn’t bother me at all but I can see why that might be an issue for some.
Hey where did you say you put the rocker arm front or back?
Rocker on the front. This way you get more of the heave feeling
@@g-locmedia do you have the next level Boeing edition seat/frame setup? That’s what I have and are wondering about installation. All the videos on line have racing frames and compatibility.
@@g-locmedia I would like to see DCS on the motion platform on the triples. I know how much you like VR for DCS but just don’t see it in my future.
Yes! In depth comparison of Xplane (12?) and MSFS 2020 please.
I was thinking about how it relates to motion and force feedback but a general comparison could be cool too.
MSFS dose not not have native FFB like some aircraft in DCS. I have a VPForce DIY yoke/stick and Use their App which is constantly evolving.
@@seattime4075 how do you find the VPFORCE? I’ve heard good things about it?
Hard to beat for the price. I have two of their big servo twin kits, which I have fitted to all metal internal yoke and stick setups, which to be honest I am still tuning (quite a complex setup). ruclips.net/user/shortspDfqp2lq-_k
They are powerful and feel great, but unfortunately don't know if they are any better then the Brunner? @@g-locmedia
Dude we gotta see the Meta Quest 3
I’m still a screen guys for GA but I think VR with a hotas and combat flight sim makes sense.
Unless I’ve missed something, you don’t touch on any of the costs that this took to build, which I think is the most helpful element to all this
The sim in this video is getting close to 15k USD.
RIP Inner ears.
No such thing as mid range VR anymore, quest 3 or bigscreen beyond and no inbetween lol
Are you running VR?
@@g-locmedia not anymore I had the original oculus rift CV1 but sold it a while back, looking to get back into it though
how much lol
To get this whole setup around 15k USD.
My exp with VKB today
"I guess the proper name for the switch in question is a "Trigger switch" yes? now all I need is how to replace the switch i can find nothing on youtue on our VKB's forum. I'm not too pleased on how VKB expects me to change the trigger without instructions is that too much to expect??? how about you take all my VKB products in trade for a WINWING or VPRILE ...,.. ARE YOU GOING TO STAND BEHIND YOUR youtube WHAT!... AT 74 I THINK I CAN HANDLE REMOVING A BUNCH OF SCREWS IF THAT WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO PROBABLY CROSS-THREAD THEM AND RUIN THE THROTTLE" coulden type I so pissed VKB wrong choice
What VKB stick do you have?
the whole setup is pretty cool but the screens are terrible. for full imersive experience the only decent way is to go VR, you dont even have a upwards view, pretty much essentail for games like dcs
This sim here is set up for GA flying. Too many negatives for VR for this type of flying but I am building a Combat Flight Rig with VR which will be cool.