INSANE Flight Sim Cockpit Setup! Combining a Seatbelt Tensioner to a Motionsystems 6DOF platform
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Is this the most badass flight sim cockpit setup? In this video, we take an in-depth look at how the Qubic System Seatbelt Tensioner QS-BT1 could elevate an already epic setup to new heights. From enhanced immersion to the tactile feedback that brings your simulation experience closer to reality, we'll explore whether this innovative device is the perfect finishing touch for those looking to create the most authentic and intense flight sim environment possible. Don't miss out on discovering how this piece of tech might just be the game-changer your cockpit needs.
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The moment you are taking off from the carrier, i thought for a moment you are going to make a backflip. Just insane this platform.
@@K4rlK0ch3r It really feels like that, I'm surprised after every start that nothing collapses. But the manufacturer has built everything very sturdily. The Seetbelt Tensioner is a significant improvement because you are pressed really hard into the seat.
that's very realistic
The VR spiced up everything. Well done.
Thanks and yes - motion platform and VR is the real deal. Makes lots of fun!
That's a very realistic and awesome setup! Thanks for sharing!!!! :)
@@charleschoy Thank you, such a great feedback is the best reward for the effort to make such a video...
The carrier takeoff is just epic👍👍. I have a cubic systems belt tensioner on order, cannot wait to try it out.
Looks awesome, probably is awesome.
Nice job man , looks fantastic
One hell of a setup / fantastic video 🎉
4:18 I too do the salute 😁😁. Nice setup my man.
Thank you so much!
minor thing: if you wanna be a tad more realistic for the Hornet, the DDIs should be tilted forward a bit mor. Basically having the same angla as the AMPCD. At least that´s what I got from photos of the real cockpit.
@@SKF-4ever thanks, will check it out!
I've got a similar setup with a Monstertech MTS cockpit, Winwing HOTAS, Takeoff Panel & Viper MIP - adding motion is end game sort of stuff. Congrats! It must be amazing in VR. How bad are crashes into mountains? Clouds/fog can cause some seriously violent crashes - lol.
That's a good question! The software now offers "violent movement surpression", i.e. crashes or, in particular, shoot-downs with subsequent wild spinning movements only lead to slight movements of the platform. Without this suppression, the ride was similar to riding a wild bull in Texas. My platform, which weighed almost 500 kg (including me), was moving up to half a meter in the room, despite having stable feet. The platform has a lot of power and, to be honest, you don't want it to use it to its full potential. It's really crazy how you can be tossed around. So if you want to experience a real crash, it can be arranged 😅
Thank you, great video indeed 🙏
I have been making similar simulators in Japan for 40 years, but yours is my ideal! Perfect!I didn't have the funds to buy a VR headset-partly because my PC wasn't powerful enough-but I finally managed to buy a cheap headset. I also built something similar to your simulator, though mine is a 2DOF.Mine costs around 1 million yen.I use FSX, Motion Simulator V3, body sonic, Saitek joysticks, a 2D VR helmet made from a bike helmet with a monitor attached, and a homemade helicopter collective and cyclic.Anyway, I’m making an affordable home simulator.If you don’t mind, please take a look and give me some advice!
This is the most fun you can have with your pants on.
Fantastic cockpit 🌟 Congratulations
Thank you very much!
I think that is about 50 grands worth of equipment. Very nice.
Maybe more like 35 grands, but still very expensive. On the other hand - other people by historic cars or motorbikes for that amount of money...
Exactly just do what ever you love doing.
I’m a retired Army Aviator with several thousand hours in simulators. If you have the $ and are serious about DCS, this motion platform would be great. But it was found that to keep it affordable and portable, the Army gave up motion. Otherwise, this is a great setup
@@Delatta1961 Thank you for your feedback. Yes, the platform was transported to my basenent with a lot of effort, and it won't be getting out of there any time soon. However, if you had more space, like in a hall, loading and unloading the platform wouldn't be a problem...
Wow!
Wow cool !! 100% Top 👍
Thank you, much appreciated!
WOW! Thats overkill;)
With money, there's a lot of things ppl do that's overkill 😅
Enjoyed watching your videos, thank you once again for covering this new belt tensioner. It will definately be a future purchase for me.
One question I have for you....
You mentioned the ability of the belt tensioner to operate over sustained G Forces where motion (even as impressive as yours) is limited. For a while I have been working on my own approach with specialist tactile effects. The approach uses multiples of a (specific unit) to different body regions in the seat. These small units (by design) have very good operational abilities with low bass frequencies. The effects I work on are crafted to utilise musical principles in partial octaves with infrasonic low bass. I have been finding excellent potential in combining speed and g-force based effects that with the approach being used lets us target specific body regions (upper/mid/low back and sides). Think of it like a multi-channel audio setup, but for the seat in that we can generate specific felt sensations in effects to any or all of the different body zones. This lets us achive advanced effects and if desired have vibrations transfer (up/down/left/right) over the seat. I believe we can apply and create specific specialist effects with Simhub that could work superbly with the belt tensioner. Whats your thoughts on this?
That sounds very interesting and promising. In the end, you're still looking for that extra bit of immersion. The Buttkicker brings a great deal of immersion in its own way, and the Seatbelt Tensioner is in no way inferior. This could also apply to your approach. However, I already have a lot of vibration on the rig via the Buttkicker and the platform itself. For example, the platform shakes enormously when you stall. I am therefore wondering to what extent additional vibrations could be an add-on or simply a very good alternative to Buttkicker and the like. You would probably have to try it out in the end...
@@madmontys6dofmotionplatfor386 Thanks for responding, just leaving this with you as would be very interesting to see how well this works on a motion rig as extreme as the one you have. I suspect you do get various vibrations from the motion itself. Although this approach I mention is scalable, so it can be used with multiple BK units for seat/pedal regions. The difference with what you have in a single BK. All the effects you use are output via a single unit, the abilities of that unit and how it copes with various frequencies (each make/model have their own characteristics). We then also meet limitations trying to apply multiple effects to that singular unit/channel. I have experience with almost all products on the market regards tactile including the larger BK that are stronger again, with lowest bass (under 10Hz) to the unit you have installed. Look at it in a different perspective, the units attached to the seat, give direct feedback into your body regions. The volume does not need to be that high for these to be felt. We can apply additional layers of effects for a unit like a large BK or even stereo units for front & rear. These can be for key roles/scenarios having their own effects. Or we can apply musically matched lower octaves/frequencies to bolster the units used in the seat. Consider it like having a subwoofer and main driver in which you can custom build specific effects. If your curious I can help as put many hours into making effects for these new but interesting exciters that only came to market last Nov. Dayton Audio EX32VBDS-4 (45 euro each) and easy/cheap to power.
@@Mr_Latte_UK To cut a long story short - whenever you're thinking of a marketable product and need someone to test it on a platform, you know who's good at it 😅
Fucking Sweet!!!! I will have one when I win the lottery
Awsome!!!
Looks great! Have a quick question: I also have a sim rig...non motion. I have a Buttkicker however. Concerning the Winwing TO panel 2...do you get the gear handle and Hook handle vibrating and making noise? I have that issue as those 2 handles have play in them. Thanks!
Yes, I also have a slight slack in them. But I've never noticed it before. The don´t really make noises in my case, but maybe it´s because of the movements and noises from the rest, which are so enormous that it doesn't bother me at all
very nice setup. Have a 2Dof with nearly similar Peripherie. And its so awesome. Wish i bought also a 6 Dof but money was tight. I Use my Rig also for Sim Racing where it performs also very good. I have some Vids on my Channel.
btw that Catapult Start was awesome. Wich Software you use to control your Motion Rig? Im somehow bound to Simracing Studio i think.I dont know about other Alternatives that work so easy with mine. My controller Box works with some Arduino Stuff. Maybe i can try another Software to run the rig??
For my taste your Motion is sometimes a little bit too much. But only my 2cents ;) its your Stomach :) But Motion Compensation is Spot on. Mine isnt as good as yours but ok.
Have fun with your Rig and enjoy these incredible Days we have now in Simming. And yes a Belt Tensioner is a Must Have ;)
I decided in favour of a product from Motionsystems because they supply sophisticated (plug&play) software. I don't have to set up anything, just the kind and strength of the movements for each game, which is very easy using sliders for the different forces. The software is called ForceseatPM and also includes motion compensation. The biggest advantage is probably the excellent service. If something doesn't fit in a beta version or you want to change something, the CTO of Motionsystems will get back to you personally within a few days (often on the same day). They are extremely close to the customer, which I appreciate.
In terms of movement, I'm fine, in a jet it simply has to be maximised. Especially in dogfighting, the feeling of being completely shaken up comes across well. This sometimes makes aiming difficult, but it's closer to reality than on a desk chair with TrackIR 😅
@@madmontys6dofmotionplatfor386 OK. Sim racing studio is also good with a lot settings to tweak and all included with motion comp, tensioner, wind,etc.
I checked your system. Mine was only 2,5k€ 🫣😉
Have to check the software later. It's free to download so I'll give it a try. Maybe it works with my dofreality rig also.
Looking at the demonstration of the platform again. Are you planning to include "better" cable management? This looks a bit fragile if you ask me.
@@K4rlK0ch3r In any case! Normally the platform sits in the corner with the cables neatly organised. For the videos, I moved it to the centre of the room and the tangle of cables was correspondingly wild.. 🫣
Looks fantastic. Great work. I would like to ask a few questions if I may. I am planning to order a DOF motion platform and currently on the fence between the 3DOF and 6DOF. I primarily fly the A-10 and was wondering if you ever flew with the 3DOF and upgraded or directly went for the 6DOF. I read for the simpler jets 3DOF might be good enough and upgrading at a later time is possible. I am thinking to get thick rubber matts under the platform like the black ones you find in Gyms to dampen the vibrations for the rest of the house. How do you deal with quick jumping in and out of the headset and controling stuff on the desktop? Do you use the streamdeck for that?
@@Ready.A-10C The same topic has also been on my mind. I wasn't sure whether 3DOF or 6DOF was the right solution for me. So I travelled to the manufacturer Motionsystems, which is thankfully only 8 hours away from me. I was able to test both variants there and in the end decided in favour of 6 DOF. 3DOF is really good and is probably sufficient for many applications, including the one you described with an A10. However, the translational movements are missing and this is exactly what you notice, for example, when taxiing or taking off on the runway, when slight bumps over heave are perfectly simulated with up and down movements. Jerky accelerations, such as when taking off on an aircraft carrier, are also amplified again by the use of surge movements (forwards and backwards) compared to a pure pitch movement. I find 6DOF particularly good when flying helicopters, because it's not about maximising the deflections, but rather about the multitude of individual, small movements. If you are close to a manufacturer (Motionsystems is in Poland) then the trip is certainly worth the comparison. Otherwise, it's a question of budget. A later upgrade is probably more complicated and time-consuming than opting for the right system straight away. Nevertheless, you are guaranteed to be happy and satisfied with a 3DOF system.
I use the same rubber matts, but only under the 3 stands of the platform instead of using one big one under the complete platform.
Regarding switching from VR, normally the platform stands in the corner of my room, having the desktop with my monitor just next to it, so I can easy use the monitor for non VR purposes…
@@madmontys6dofmotionplatfor386 Ahh thanks. That all makes sense. Much appreciated. Whenever I am IRL flying (as a passenger) it is the heave that really gives me the chills. Do you also notice that with turbulence as well? For me that would be enough reason by itself to go for the 6DOF I think. I am planning to start flying RW and get some lessons from IRL RW pilot and in the future maybe also try the faster jets like the Hornet within our Virtual Wing, so for this purpose it might be smart to already make the jump. So you moved the rig around, is it not crazy heavy? You are in a G2 still right? I upgraded to a Varjo Aero, which has lighthouses for spacial tracking instead of the inside out detection. Not sure how they behave with sudden jerky movements. I think I should not mount the lighthouses on the rig itself I guess because the headset would lose its connection all the time when the lighthouses start moving like crazy. Visiting manufacturers makes sense, too bad there is nothing really in The Netherlands, so I will have to check Poland as well. Oh btw is there a Discord or forum of some sort where motion rigs are being discussed? I would not want to spam your channel too much. Great videos, keep them coming!👍
@@Ready.A-10C turbulence is of course great in 6DOF, DCS does provide great wake turbulences and while flying close to ground, but unfortunately less turbulences on higher altitudes. Platform has wheels, so I can lower the stands via screwing them to get it on wheels to move it. Yeah - still using G2, that is my next project. Waiting for the Pimax super to be released. I would use Lighthouse in the room and not on platform, since Software compensation is just great. On platform it would vibrate too much I guess. I am member of the Motionsystems discord channel, but not sure if it‘s public.
Very very nice setup!
I really like the form factor of the rotary actuators.
I have a similar setup, instead I have a Stewart platform, a DIY project from Departed Reality which takes much more space, other than that the sensations look very similar.
I also have the Buttkicker LFE, don’t bother with those other mini LFE different versions, the LFE is the way to go!
I’m also in the process of adding a seat belt tensioner too, a DIY one from Flag Ghost!
Just a remark concerning the FFB stick, I have been using the Brunnner FFB stick, I just switch to Rhino VP force FFB stick, it is much better, you can achieve much more personnel settings, the Rhino is the ultimate FFB for now.
Looking forward to your next videos!
Thanks
Thank you so much! I'm always happy to read that I'm not the only crazy Simpilot 😀
And thanks for your FFB tip, I'll have a look at that straight away.
Nice, Any issues with motion compensation for the VR or is that all built in now?
Absolutely no problems. This is the reason why I chose Motionsystems and not a DIY project, because the Motionsystems software offers a 100% working VR motion compensation. You can also see this on the screen, which is the live projection of my VR glasses. I'm constantly sitting in the cockpit, even when it's moving wildly. However, you can also see how much it shakes me in places, which makes the dogfight very exciting.
Just one question.
What happens when you eject? Do you have a sunroof?
@@Mevlinous working on it. 3 more ejections and the whole in the ceiling is done 😅
All I need is THAT room, a kettle, a bed and a microwave......
Great set up. The carrier take off seems a bit off. That was a huge pitch up. Looked about 30 degress if not more there. It seemed the attitude of the aircraft in flight doesn't match the platform profile and some tweaking needs to be made.
@@StringBanger some people still believe the position of the platform shall match the position of the aircraft. Such an approach would lead not a never moving platform while racing a Formula 1 car on a flat track, cause the car postion is always the same. Instead the platform shall reproduce the forces a pilot feels. At carrier start the pilot is being pushed into the seat, that‘s why platform simulates longitudal forces by surge forward and pitching back. Also in turns platform simulates vertical g forces by pitching back, lateral forces (like in race cars) do nealry not exist when flying a plane, that‘s why you won‘t see a roll movement left / right of the platform. So at the end - simulation of forces is being done correctly by the platform. I am a private pilot and know how flyings feels, so trust my settings!
@madmontys6dofmotionplatfor386 I was also a private pilot and you feel forces in a seat of your pants and I also understand how the forces feel especially when crabbing due to yaw on approach you get a lateral force from the side. It seems the carrier take off is unrealistic that's all.
@@StringBanger trust me, ist feels great. Of course a platform is limited compared to real life, but the setup is pretty perfect for a platform. Come over and try out 😅
Aren't the phisical buttons mostly useless if you are using the VR headset?
@@badatdota2811 no - it‘s called muscle memory. You remember where the buttons are, and like in the F18, they are placed at the same position as in your virtual cockpit. You will find them!
Great setup! However, you need to get yourself some more heavy-duty rudder pedals (stronger resistance with dampening) to be able to call it bad-ass, so that you stop flying in your socks 😉
You got me there! 🤭
Which pedals would you recommend that have these strong forces?
@@madmontys6dofmotionplatfor386 The important thing is that the pedals have a dampener placed in the mechanism so that you're not only fighting spring resistance. Both the latest MFG pedals as well as the latest VirPil pedals have the dampener option.
Personally I use the dampened MFGs and to me they feel as if they could be from a fighter jet or large GA, I love them.
Unfortunately there's nothing out there that would give you realistic toe brake resistance too.
@@markusburkhard5712 WinWings new pedals have damper in them as well and are very quickly adaptable to helicopter and ground vehicle use. You can add rubber elastacion stops behind the pedals to give you a braking effect similar to real brakes just like Sim racing Brake pedals have.
What did you use to rotate the A320 FCU down?
@@Double-D_291 amzn.eu/d/46anCfz
Keep seatbelts tight and windows closed just in case. That thing pushes like a catapult
@@moiluck and never take off while wife is sleeping 🤣🤣
@@madmontys6dofmotionplatfor386 hahaha keeping a wife with that cockpit must be a great challenge. Congrats for your achievement!
What's the cost of the entire setup ?
@@wasimabuhadba8238 today I would say about 30-35k Euro
I was going to get a gaming laptop, but nah.....
What VR headset are you using if you do not mind me asking?
@@riverfisher2123 still the G2, waiting for the Pimax Crystal Super…
@@madmontys6dofmotionplatfor386 Thanks, me too!
Wow! I know what I want for xmas!
Im not going to be supper nosie but can you give me a an idea how much is the setup..... exlude computer VR and projector..... you can DM me if you dont want it public
exelent job
From todays perspective, you must calculate 30+k Euros for everything. If you follow the links, every price should me available, even for the platform. Maybe they are willing to give you a discount, the service of Motionsystems (platform, which is the most expensice part) is outstanding good. They are alway willing to find solutions for there costomers.
looks like chair gonna break down.
You dont see the Cockpit in Vr!
@@Plan_B72 That's no problem at all, you learn where the buttons are. And if in doubt, you can always use the gap between your glasses and nose.
I have a F16 ICP and MFDs and fly in VR and if they are positioned physically where they are roughly in VR it takes no time to be very functional. Your brain sees them in VR and sends your fingers to the physical location
Emphatically stated by someone who hasn't tried it and has no idea what he's talking about 😂
@@vincentsantucci2478 really ? I have a motion rig. With Triple and vr !
@@Plan_B72 so then why the emphatically ignorant comment?
I'd be more inclined to investing in to motion cockpits if VR was not required for any sort of experience.
@@uneCENT you can also mount your monitor on the simpit. Otherwise you can use large monitors or screens on your wall and the Motionsystems software will also compensate your motion (thus your picture / view on a fixed screen will move accordingly to your platform)
Using motion platforms without VR is such a waste of a large amount of money buying something that is supposed to give you maximum immersion, then not having VR to complete the experience.
@@nemisis_wolf That is true. But even with a monitor on the platform, it's still an experience. You automatically fade out the room when you focus on the monitor, but VR and the immersion associated with it is of course in a different league.
i dont understand why a cockpit matters when youve got VR goggles on. You cant see your MFDs or HUD etc...
@@arkie87 because of the immersion. You don‘t want to use your mouse/trackball for every button/switch. Also because you have to lift your right hand from the stick. So pressing the button (mostly with left hand) of a real cockpit gives you more control over your plane and increases the immersion.
C'est vraiment dommage d'avoir un simulateur sous vérins comme ici de bonne qualité et un stick de très mauvaise qualité lui. Effectivement le stick de chez Thrusmaster était un bon stick y'a quelques années, mais ce n'est absolument plus le cas depuis ; c'est encore une technologie à base de ressorts complètement dépassée depuis. Il semble que pour le F18 cela soit une technologie de retour de force, mais lorsque utilisé pour un F16 du coup cela bascule sur le stick de chez Thrusmaster...Real Simulator fait des sticks a capteurs de pressions bien plus réalistes reprenant la technologie du F16, c'est étonnant.
I only use the Thrustmaster as a side stick, and it's still good enough for that. The main joystick in the centre sits on a powerful Brunner CLS-E Force Feedback Base, which even beats Real Simulator, although I know that Real Simulator makes very good products
@@madmontys6dofmotionplatfor386 Ah. Ok. Cool
Tell me you have too much bloody money, without saying you have too much money..
Incredible set up by the way
@@MikeTaylor-tw5wb thanks a lot! Hard working family dad who fulfilled himself a dream. If I would have posted a motorbike or a historic car for the same price, no one would mention the money I spend 😅 I think it‘s just because of such a crazy investment and no - no motorbikes, second cars or other hobbies in my garage! But still married - that‘s more worth than money ☺️
how much did it cost lol??