How did Star Wars go from 'life lessons for the young' to 'bad high school fan fiction'?
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I know authors who use subtext, they’re all cowards
thanks naboo. that idea is never gonna leave my head now, damnit. good video, thor, thank you. this is gonna spark discourse i think, not just the normal nerd kind. this is weird
Hey Thor, could you do a poll that pit's Osha+Jecki vs Qimir+Osha?
Are they actively trying to make both twins sociopaths?
Thanks for a good video Thor, I would like for the follow to be uploaded on the main channel
Are you kidding me? So basically, the Sith guy is grooming and manipulating the main character to join him, and the creator of the show _actively ships it and supports it???_ That's messed up!
I was giving Headland the benefit of the doubt until I read that interview. She basically confirms that yes, it's all deliberate, and my brain needs a shower now.
She learned well from Darth Weinstein
She's an acolyte herself, after all.
Even though she claims she didn't know about Harvey's behavior while as his assistant, I still call BS. She worked for the company for a few years before and it's an open Hollywood secret.
With a master like Harvey it all makes sense
Who else immediately thought, "Well, Leslye did work for Harvey, so... this makes sense." ??
Yep
It's a window into her values
And she claims she didn't know he was doing any of that when she was his assistant...She had been with the company a few years before that, and it was an open Hollywood secret. How could she not know?
Yeah when Thor said something along the lines of "Older man with power seducing a younger woman" I was like "HOLD UP"
Everybody hopefully.
"Kidnapping is fine as long as you're hot." - Leslye Headland, apparently
Harvey Approves This Message.
@@skwills1629 I was just going to say. After all, she learned (and assisted) from the best, in that arena.
tbf this is a fairly typical and harmless fantasy for young girls/women exploring their sexuality (they get to safely experience something taboo/forbidden, but since in the fantasy it's "against their will" it's "okay" because they didn't initiate it, they just "reluctantly" went along with the "bad guy"), HOWEVER I don't think it's been well executed nor is it a good message to send if the purpose is to send a message rather than offer an escapist fantasy.
@@Silveirias Typical? probably. Harmless? I'm not sure if I could agree with that in any universe.
The phrases, "against their will", "fantasy", and "harmless" should not be in the same sentence. That sounds dangerously close to normalizing Stockholm Syndrome.
@@wordsayer19 Plenty of young girls fantasise about situations where a "bad guy" comes and whisks them away. It's normal and harmless. It's your Edward Cullens and Jareths and what else similar characters there are. Like I said, it's a way for girls and women to explore something taboo and/or forbidden safely. Fantasies often have nothing to do with what people actually want to do in real life (or r a p e fantasies wouldn't be so common).
If into the Disney recordings you go, only pain will you find.
I can’t look anymore
“Destroy the company, we must.”
@greenmcbean6429 You’re destroying nothing.
@@achaudhari101 okay ?
@@greenmcbean6429 "Send me to kill Disney, I will not kill Star Wars"
Star Wars really is dead when fans hate the Jedi and romanticize the Sith.
Jedi was seen as corrupt since the Clone Wars. Why are you trying to imply it was that show’s fault for not painting them as innocent angels?
@achaudhari101 your comment doesn't mention or address what my comment was about. Reread, what I wrote, because I never mentioned the Clone Wars series.
@@camarofan2008 That’s where it started, genius with the whole “Making Jedi out to not be good guys for causing their downfall”.
@achaudhari101 no, it started in Revenge of the Sith where Palpatine sold the lie.
That was a Sith doing it, not a Jedi.
Rey was just as bad, drooling over the guy who killed Luke, Han, and Leia. Rey turning herself over to Snoke because she thinks and wants to save Kylo Ren is one of the dumbest things ever. Rey has no reason at all to care about Kylo.
Yep. Luke had six months to digest that Anakin was his father and he has Obi-Wan’s stories about the man he was before he became Vader. Rey had no reason at all to go from slashing his face to trying to redeem him in a few hours.
Yeah, it was stupid as hell. But what they're doing with Osha is worse.
Well, in the final product that's true, who knows what was JJ's intent with the visions of the island and memory bond
@Hello-bi1pm was it JJ or Rian Johnson's fever dream? Or executives saying, "we gotta capitalize on Adam Driver's sex appeal with the HBO Girls crowd, so find a scene where he has no shirt on."
@@lightpoint4426 True. At least Rey wasn't Stockholmed into liking Kylo Ren. Red was her favorite color, and Ren was a walking red flag.
Star wars back then: Anyone could be the hero. Value good behavior and learn from mistakes and trust in friends and family. Failure is not the end and help and save others from pain and struggle. Do or do not. There is no try.
Star wars now: Break the legs of your forebears. Take everything they earn and claim their success. Shame them for being powerful and laugh when they fall. You are the hero and everyone else is here to praise you. "Heros" deal in absolute.
THIS💯💯💯
Mandalorian S1 and S2 felt like older Star Wars. After that……
Also, "Maybe the Nazis had a point, don't be too quick to judge them. 'Evil' is a construct of the patriarchy."
Dont forget the weired new morale, that the hero needs to be a chossen one by the universe. If you arent born strong and not be able to flawlessly take every obstakle, youre worthless.
Remember this.....try
Not *high school* fanfic, college freshman gender studies major fanfic.
It started at the college level a generation ago. Now it’s down to the middle school level.
Not "fan"fic at all.
@CantankerousDave - Can you give a single example (outside of "lesbian witches") that is remotely "woke" of "gender studies-ish" about this show?
A lack of explicitly straight white males?
Like, seriously, what is so f**king "woke" about this show? 😂
@@BugRib well..... Given the main characters are birthed by said leabo space witches...... That kinda makes the entire premise of the series woke
@CantankerousDave - Any specific examples of this supposed "gender studies" propaganda in the show?
And please, don't say "lesbian witches", or "not enough explicitly hetero white males". Just...please don't say that, haha. 😂
Women characters were never lacking until Disney got in and thought they were lacking and it was their job to fix that.
Also my favorite character in star wars is chewbacca. So not a lady nor human. We don't need more ladies. We need well written stories. It's not rocket science. 🤣🤷♀️😅
Rey basically forgave Kylo despite him killing her father figure (Han), almost killing her friend (Finn), and killing millions of lives by destroying several planets. What kind of message did Rise of Skywalker give? She even kissed him at the end. What the hell?
Not a sequel lover but Rey only knew Han for...a few days to a few weeks? Which seems like around the same amount of time that Luke had direct interaction with Kenobi. Both Rey and Luke both forgave a mass murderer because "they turned good". And Luke kissed his sister!
Not disagreeing with you, just pointing out similarities to the OG Star Wars hero.
Luke forgave his father. I hate the sequels as much as the next guy but I don't think this argument holds water
@@SuperGoose42That’s very different. Luke believed that Vader couldn’t let him die and he was right. Luke wanted to save Vader’s life because he saved Luke’s. Kylo threatened to kill Rey and even tried to run her over with his tie fighter. Then on Death Star 2, Rey angrily attacked Kylo and they dueled. But just because Leia waved her hand, they stopped fighting and Rey saves Kylo and tries to make him good again.
You forgot that he also tried to force his way into her mind, set her up for torture, stalked her with the Force (with the bond that Palpatine created between them), also ended up destroying his mother in the process, straight up murdered the Rebels at the Rebel base by sending his troops and war marchines in, etc. But SOMEHOW, he's a "tragic figure" according to the writers, despite being portrayed as an mostly cowardly adult child who cannot control his emotions and loses his cool at MULTIPLE times (the slashing of the console, the smashing of his helmet, actively belittling and humiliating the scheming Hux [who murdered his own father with the help of Phasma]). Somehow, THAT character is one they want us to root for... for some reason.
@@sigmacademy And also blamed Rey for something that he did (when he murder Snoke)So, what Rey saw in Kylo Ren? He has done nothing for her, just betrayed her, stalker her, trying to killer her if she refuses join him. And its obvious that if Rey was not a Mary Sue, Kylo wouldn't have interested in her. And they want to repeat that awful shiip again with other characters? Why?
A young woman seduced by a man in a position of power, even though he is naked and she has a weapon against his neck.
Basically her and her former boss? She had a weapon (knowledge about his wrong doings) and saw him naked (knew his secrets) and yet couldn't turn away from him and denounces him.
I mean, it's like poetry, it rhymes 😂
Headland was the acolyte, and now she has become the master!
Truest representation of art imitates life.
“ Write what you know “ - Leslye Headlund took that to heart
"I mean, it's like poetry, it rhymes." Like a dirty limerick. On the wall of a bathroom stall.
Wasn't this show inspired by Frozen and 'the concept of true love being between two sisters and not a heterosexual relationship'? What happened?
Poor attempt so far. The sisters have had 2 meaningful interactions so far. Both ended with violence & one of them leaving the other.
Frozen was a different take focusing on familial love instead of romantic love. The idea of love is divided into different types by the Greeks such as agape which is what Anakin uses to describe compassion in Episode II.
I'm sure someone will respond to this by saying, "The show isn't over yet!!" 😂😂
the tone/message of this show changes about as often as Maes current motivations lol
Someone banned incest because it would be too much 😂
:If you really think about it Manny Jancinto played Two Seperate characters better than the actual twins in this show Qimir went from clumsy bubbling idiot to a more calm stoic character Amandla Stenberg Twin Character feels kinda flat
You are so right. Her and the green woman are both terrible actresses.
@@BizznessBox - You Mean You aren't Impressed by Jedi Master Nepotisma?
Idk I thin Jar Jar did the clumsy Sith lord twist better
Dammit, I want like this but it's at 69 right now. Just know it would be one higher OP!
@BizznessBox - Have to admit, the "green woman" has some questionable line deliveries.
...Still no worse than half the line deliveries in the Prequels...and the Mandalorian too!
I mean, come on! Kara Dume (or whatever her name was)? Terrible line deliveries! (Still shouldn't have been kicked out over a few questionable Tweets, TBF...)
But still, why have the standards suddenly changed for SW just for this show? Honestly think this is probably the best-acted SW show outside of Andor, IMHO!
I mean, The Mandalorian is just for fun, but lots of horrible acting, let's be honest. Why no hate for (the first two seasons of) that show? What could be the reason for this?
Hmmm... 🤔
In regards to fan fiction, that's kind of the problem really.
A RUclipsr Call Me Chato used to be an industry insider, and did a breakdown of how DEI rules are impacting hiring and retention of writers. He's more on the anti-DEI side of things while I am more in favor of DEI, but don't like a lot of the results of the programs Disney is putting forth (women, minorities, GLBT people, and handicapped people asked for more stories about them. We never asked to be in every story, and we most certainly didn't ask for all the stories about us to suck. That kind of defeats what we wanted.)
Anyhow, to get to my point, the impact of DEI hiring is that the percentages of people in DEI categories hired greatly overestmate the number of writers in the Writer's Guild that match those qualities. Which is leading to writers being hired without a lot of experience and skill just because they're GLBT or some other DEI category.
On the other end of things, the white straight cis male writers are being pushed out the door as fast ask Disney can find excuses to do so. And that's a problem because usually senior writers have senior positions and look over submissions from their younger colleagues, mentoring them and teaching them advanced techniques to crafting a good story.
I don't know if you've ever dealt with baby writers of any stripe, but I have. I've worked in publishing. And young writers can get a real overinflated ego about doing things wrong but "it's my style and how dare you say anything negative about it" and you kind of have to beat them into shape like fashioning a piece of tin into a cup. You have to point out flaws and where things don't quite work right in their stories, and spend time talking with them about what they were trying to do, and things that they could do to get that effect and emotion across. Etc. Etc. Etc.
But the baby writers are ending up running the place with no guidance as if any of these straight cis white males say something negative, then they just don't understand the perspective of a black trans lesbian, and are being racist and homophobic. So any experienced senior writers left aren't inclined to speak up and correct things at this point.
And that seems to be what's creating the extreme storytelling deficit here. The people left in charge barely understand their craft.
There's also potentially more corporate meddling insisting on including as many things a possible. And that just doesn't always work. Look, I'm a woman. I want more women in things. But I also know that there is value in a "Band of Brothers" story. I might question if some of the brothers could be non-white or non-straight, but I get why you might not feature women in that kind of story. But Disney will do things like insist they put a chick in it anyway (and probably make her gay. I dislike South Park, but man, they are not wrong). Corporate meddling like that can destroy a concept that might otherwise work. it essentially dilutes the themes, plot, and mood of the story, creating unnecessary distraction and extra work.
Anyway, that appears to be the answer to why things all seem like fan fic. Because baby writers whose greatest experience is in the realm of fan fic aren't getting the guidance and training they need to do better.
White population decline. Search it up. You're not reproducing. Disney iso a KIDS entertainment company. Grow up
Part of the big push for DEI is all about chagning "culture". I don't understand why it's always assumed that one culture is capable of outputting the same kind of results as another. Kennedy and Headland are seemingly obsessed with having (what they consider) "strong female characters" and other kinds of representation. Are we even sure that people who make a big deal about such things can even create good Star Wars?
@BiggieTrismegistus Actually, the truth is white people are dying. DEI was created to sneak in whites as leads when they eventually become the MINORITY in USA. Take a look at South Africa, all the WHITE actors can't find work due to lack of demand from black majority audience. Soon, whites in USA will suffer the same problem if every group has its own media station and ONLY support their own culture's shows. It's predicted that by 2040 Non-Hispanic whites will dip below 50%. So I am glad DEI is failing so that when the time comes we won't be forced to include white people in black TV shows.
South Africa has highly segregated media because of different languages and the most popular shows are Zulu because they're the majority. In USA everyone speaks English so it's easier to force DEI.
@@BiggieTrismegistus So your argument then would be that only white, straight, able-bodied, cis men can write good stories? Because that's not going to work as an argument. There's lots of counters to that. (My assumption on your argument is purely saying that one "culture" cannot be assumed as outputting the same as another "culture." So if I've got your position wrong, please do clarify.)
My description of what's going on behind the scenes (based on Chato and what I personally know of writers, and I should add I mainly worked with straight, white, cis men, though the women and people of color I worked with could exhibit the same problems of ego. Not all baby writers start out that way, but the ego problem is super common), was meant to explain why things are bad.
It's not that women, minorities, GLBT, or disabled people cannot write quality entertainment, but that 1) many of them are starting at a lower level than their predecessors because there aren't as many in the field, and so the qualifications have been massively lowered to meet quotas rather than just slightly lowered; 2) They're not going through the meat grinder that is trying to have a career in the arts. The one where you learn from experiences of rejection but also help from mentors in your field and work place.
Originally, there was a problem for the longest time with them not getting the opportunities to get jobs because their gender, race, sexuality, etc was held against them so that they couldn't get the positions to get access to the experience to make good writers. Now they're getting access in droves, but the people who could mentor them and provide them with experience are being booted. That's not effective training either. There have always been issues because it's comfortable for people to congregate in like groups, and then work on special projects and make connections with people from like groups, and this cut out women, minorities, etc as outsiders without necessarily that even being the intention. So there has always been a problem.
Disney's solution of emptying out the experienced people to give DEI folks more jobs (right as other companies are doing some similar things), is not a fix since they're still missing key experiences to make a good writer, and they're hiring people on some of the lowest rungs of talent in the first place just to meet quota. Lowering standards for quotas is something that can be effective, as it will get you to include people who lacked access and opportunities, but who do have the talent if you give them a chance. Lowering standards to the bottom of the barrel gets you bottom barrel talent, though.
Kennedy and Headland aren't my people, so I won't speak for them.
Regarding, feminism and Star Wars, though, Star Wars is only as good as it was because of Marcia Lucas, to begin with. She was George's editor for the first three movies. This is why there was a drop in quality between the original and the prequels: Marcia and George divorced, and she wasn't there to rein him in and help rework things. George Lucas has/had some interesting ideas, but he's never been a great writer. I'd refer you to SF Debris's multipart series on Star Wars if you haven't seen it. It is quite good.
So there have always been women behind the scenes in Star Wars. And some of the popular writers of the expanded universe were also women, since I'm mainly looking at this from a writing perspective.
So there is no reason to think that people who are women won't make good Star Wars. They already have.
As for people who care about such things, any woman who is not at home, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen does care about such things whether she admits it or not. Otherwise, that's where she'd be. Even women who are homebodies who take care of the family prefer doing so because they choose to do so, and not because they had no other options.
Basically, when you care about something, there comes the question of how you seek to achieve your goals. When it comes to Kennedy, 1) I'm not sure she ever gave a darn about Star Wars. Nothing I've seen has ever convinced me of that. It was a job and nothing else to her. 2) I'm not 100 percent convinced she cares about feminism so much as she cares about her own power, and this is a vehicle to that power. But maybe she does and she's just incompetent and doesn't understand the importance of access to learning opportunities at work in order to nurture talent.
So far as I can tell, Kennedy spent her life as an assistant to the greats (Lucas, Spielberg, etc). But rather than using that opportunity to learn about how things worked on an artistic level, she seems to have learned only the practical level of behind the scenes arrangements and politics. She knows how to hire writers (advertising job openings, doing interviews for personality), she doesn't know how to identify talent and forge it to be better than it is today. She doesn't understand the artistry at all.
A different woman who was also a feminist could do entirely different things. I don't actually recall there being any push back to the IDEA of Rei as the lead character or Finn as her secondary lead. I remember some grumblings about all the Storm Troopers were supposed to be clones. But those were just grumblings. There was a time there where we waited to see what the next chapter would be and if we'd get a satisfactory explanation. Would Rei and Finn have been better as white men? I don't think so.
People got mad after the movies because the writing was bad. Rei was a Mary Sue. Now, I'm guessing you don't read a lot of women's lit, but a lot of it? We don't do so well on hero fantasies because we tear each other apart. We don't like our heroines perfect. Never have. No female writer with experience beyond fan fiction would make a Mary Sue because THE OTHER WOMEN would eat her alive. Well, that's not fair. There are some women who like a Queen Bee harem fantasy. But that's not exactly great writing. Most women would eat her alive. I think the people who are most critical of Rei are actually other women, and Disney has been trying to hide that by blaming men.
I can't exactly distill all of my insights into women and writing into this one post with all of the explanations. But basically a feminist who wants to put more women in movies is not counter to what you already had in Star Wars. George Lucas even said Leia was the real hero of the movie because she's the rebel leader. It should really blend fairly seamlessly with what already existed. Rei wasn't a bad idea but a piss poor execution.
I have zero commentary on Headland. I understand she was behind Russian Doll, which is an excellent series on Netflix. Or at least the first one was. But I don't want to judge her off of one series, especially one meant to be so focused on the main character.
Basically, what I see when I look at Disney is a company that's trying to set straight white men to fighting with women and minorities so that Disney doesn't have to fight all of us together. I don't know if I'll ever find out why all this BS was necessary. Doesn't seem like it should be making them money, so what's the motivation? Not Kennedy's motivation, but Disney's? Maybe they started the culture war to protect their butts and now they don't know how to stop it?
Anyway, I've rambled enough.
I know "Call Me Chato" Paul Chato from Midnight's Edge, he does know alot about the industry. I just don't feel we need DEI, because it's just really a Authoritiarian way of forcing every studio in the industry to basically be "woke". Look at 2018's Black Panther, that wasn't woke it was just naturally, organically *Progressive* Everyone loved that first movie.
Suddenly her silence about Harvey makes much more sense
I see your point but at the same time Qimir's actions are what I would expect out of a Sith or other dark-side user.
Headland's comments about her high school writing are illuminating though; they explain why this show has so many writing problems.
I recently rewatch the Empire strikes back after years of not watching it and the life lessons about believing in yourself, to look beyond your circumstances(yoda lifting the xwing when luke thought it couldn't be done), not rushing into things(luke fighting vader without proper training), taking guidance from those thay know better because you're not as prepared as think you are to handle certain truths(vader revealing himself to luke).
This is just what I picked up from the film and this shows the level of writing that film had put into it. How on Earth did it go from the quality of empire to the quality of the Acolyte
Timeless lessons told in a creative way are what make these stories so good, and they're a big reason why the prequels managed to capture another generation of kids despite the hate Gen X boomers had for them..
But this slop will age like milk. Hell we haven't even gotten it out of the store yet and it's already begun to spoil.
I have two thoughts: this series is an allegory for Leslie Headland's relationship with Harvey Weinstein and your observation about the relationship between Rey and Kylo being better isn't shocking. With Disney star wars, once you think you've hit rock bottom you start to realize that the stuff they're cranking out becomes progressively worse and worse and what was once perceived as the worst of the worst begins to looks better.
About Star Wars life lessons, I'm reminded of the scene from Star Wars Rebels S3:E21 Zero Hour: Part 1
Kanan: Ezra, you have never been like everyone else.
Hera always saw something special in you, and so did I
At times, I was afraid.
Afraid that I couldn't teach you everything you needed to know.
Ezra: But you did, I've learned so much.
Kanan: And so have I. We all have.
In fact, sometimes I wonder if I have anything left to teach you.
Ezra: No. That can't be true.
Kanan: My own Jedi training was limited.
Ezra: I don't mean about the Force.
I mean about life, about being a good person.
That's what you've taught me.
Aww this is why rebels is one of my favorites. Also Kanan and Hera are the only good couple in Star Wars
What a great show!!Even better when in comparison to what we are getting now.
I'd forgotten about the pure wholesome factor in Rebels. The writing, especially the dialogue, was way better in Rebels. And that was animation aimed at and made for children.
I don't really like Rebels overall but it had some really amazing moments. And then I compare it to The Acolyte and it seems like a masterpiece LOL
Before.
Star Wars stories under George Lucas: The battle between good and evil, epic space opera battles, friendship, the morals of right and wrong, spirituality, the dangers to dictatorial power, war and genocide, the triumph of good, sci fi, wizzards and knights, honor and harmony, balance, etc.
NOW.
Star Wars Stories under Disney and Kathleen Kennedy: SHIPPING, dark side is sexy, Jedis are pathetic and morally corrupt and WRONG, white man bad, color people and woman good, also extra point of good if you are gay or questionable sex orientation I guess, nostalgia bait cameos and Light Sabers can't kill a FLY.
Yep I see nothing wrong in this current era of Star Wars is fine, FINEEEE!!
George Lucas taught me to distrust the government.
Freaking. GIGA BASED.
@Kusanagikaiser999 - >>>white man bad, color people and woman good
@@BugRib That witch coven chanting the power of one, two and many. Only lesbian POC women allowed there.
Message now is if you see naked "Sith" go for "Hawk Tuah" :D
pls stop w that meme
Basically, Disney is sending out these types of messages to young girls that it's ok to get with a pretty looking boy who has committed such heinous crimes.
First Reylo, and now Smilo Ren and Osha.
What is this?
Are we sure Osha didn’t have a thing for Jekki?
And all of these under the tag of "feminist", at least fifty shades of Grey and Twilight have no lie to you about what they are.
(cough) Padme (cough)
This sort of thinking is sadly not new. For context I point to all the ridiculous amount of thirst displayed toward Ted Bundy after his netflix special, the love letters and marriage proposals received by serial killers on death row, and just the obnoxiously stubborn "bad boy" trope in general. For how much ladies tend to mock guys for being really stupid, thinking with their dicks, and having very poor judgment in these things- (all of these criticisms being completely fair, to a certain extent. I'm not burdened with the need to defend the choices of everyone else in my gender- I'd just prefer to be judged for my own choices and not impugned with the guilt of half the species.) many women would be vulnerable to these exact same critiques of irrationality, letting their pussies think for them, and not nearly being as good judges of character as they like to assume they are.
You're right though in that it's worrying to see this sort of thing normalized by the biggest entertainment and media company on the planet. "Oh sure he killed all those people but, damn he looks great with his shirt off and I bet he smells nice too" - I mean wow I'm sure glad we got away from the moralizing and "Creepy" messages in Snow White, as Rachel Zeigler reminded us lol
@@eds1942 That's different.
Rey should have fallen to the dark and then Finn step up and become the hero. I think 8 should have seen her become obsessed with power, maybe instead of taking Kylo’s hand she kills him instead. Like how Kylo killed Han.
I wish they kissed instead as the entire ship fell apart and everyone died. Rian Johnson did such a good job torching everything I am surprised he allowed any characters to live and didn’t kill everyone off.
@@emberfist8347 He didn’t. He was given the key points, and Disney wanted to get into China. Hence they promoted an asian actress as protagonist. The Luke’s arc is essentially a remake of Yoda’s (former great Jedi master, now hermit, reluctant teacher near a dark side location who could “return” but ultimately doesn’t). Killing Snoke early was also always the plan. JJ Abrams stated somewhere they always wanted Palpatine back. And even if that wasn’t truly the idea, it is just ludicrous to believe nobody at Disney greenlit the decision. Only fools believe RUclipsrs and their dumb conspiracy theories how these directors went rogue, when everyone who knows a thing of production, especially at that time tells the exact opposite, how Disney and other studios became MORE executive / corporate not less.
@@Anerisian Except there was clearly no plan at all. Killing Snoke and bringing back Palpatine wasn’t the plan as all the pre-Rise of Skywalker works made it clear Palpatine was dead and wanted to go scorched earth on the Empire in that event and that Snoke was old enough to witness the original six films.
@@emberfist8347 JJ Abrams himself says this: “When did you decide to bring Palpatine back? Was this discussed during The Force Awakens? Or was this more because Snoke is gone?
Well, when you look at this as nine chapters of a story, perhaps the weirder thing would be if Palpatine didn’t return. You just look at what he talks about, who he is, how important he is, what the story is - strangely, his absence entirely from the third trilogy would be conspicuous. It would be very weird. That’s not to say there was a bible and we knew what happens at every step. But when Larry Kasdan and I worked on The Force Awakens, we didn’t do it in a vacuum. We very purposely looked at what came before. We chose to tell a story that touches upon specific things and themes and ideas that we’ve seen before, to begin a new story. But we examined all that came before to ask where does this feel like it’s going?
So there were discussions about that at the time. Yet, like any beginning, you want to put the threads in, but you don’t want to necessarily be literal about everything. And then when Rian was brought on to do The Last Jedi, we met and we talked about things and he wrote his story. And when I read it the script, I realized this didn’t get in the way of anything Larry and I talked about that I thought I’d get to. There were some very specific things we did get to do in this movie that we were laughing and going, “Oh my god, we’re finally doing that thing we talked about five years ago.”
So he knew - OF COURSE - what Rian Jonnson would do, and that gave him opportunity to bring in Palpatine, which he put in place before TFA, as he says, to him, it would be wrong not to. Even though not all details were in place beforehand.
This “no plan” is non-issue, because the guiding principle of the sequel was to make Requels (Remake-Sequels), which is obvious weren’t people so blind with blaming a few individuals. In reality, Disney ordered the movies, hired remake directors, executed, greenlit them, they did this maximum executive meddling. But accepting that would mean to admit that maybe Rian Johnson is just a small fish, and that alot lf fans were duped by RUclipsrs and their tall tales about battles within Lucasfilms and that Kathleen Kennedy would be fired “any day now”.
@@Anerisian Except you are clearly ignoring the proof they had no plan including Daisy Ridley not knowing who Rey's family connection was going to be and JJ didn't know what Rian would do. There is a story well known that the script of TFA had to be changed because TLJ would establish Luke cut himself off from the force and the script for TFA had him using the force. And Rian Johnson made his screenplay before TFA was released. He also admitted the next film would probably retcon his explanation of Rey's parents being nobodies. They had no plan for the films.
This is what happens when you put your faith in fiction instead of the truth.
Qimir is cute, though. I don't think we should be pissed. I love him and Osha
Wow, I did NOT see that coming.
I haven’t watched Acolyte since Ep.2, but what you, and Sailor, seem to be hinting at is that Leslye Headland may be trying to rationalize her own role in the issues that happened while she was working for Harvey. If that is true, this show is WAYYYY beyond creepy. It’s evil.
"I don't know what's happening here...I don't know what the point of this show even is..." Exactly. You're not alone in that thought, Thor. I wouldn't be surprised, if, by the end of episode 8, some/most of Us are still not entirely sure what the point of this effort was supposed to be.
Ironically, much (except the Middle Grade and Young Adult tales, unfortunately) of The High Republic Multimedia Initiative doesn't revel in this kind of stuff. Yet again, I don't consider, The Acolyte to be part of The High Republic Era. At best, it's just an addendum to that 400-plus epoch in The SWU.
I don't understand why Disney or KK wants Star Wars to appeal more to girls. Wasn't the whole point of buying Marvel and Lucasfilm to acquire more male fans (because Disney's family-friendly image forces them to make predominantly feel-good/comfort movies, which tend to appeal more to women)?
Because they want to “tear down the patriarchy”.
No matter the quality of Star Wars right now I feel like they have tried to make movies and shows for all different types of audiences. Not just females or try to push that it's more for females then males now
@@CometStar100i don't see how you can see it that way about D+.
Mandalorian Season 1-2, Rogue one, and Andor are basically the only place any male gets a story with any form of respect in DSW.
The Sequels had Han unceremoniously killed, ignored Finn's potential then assasinated his character by leaving him stuck as "the coward" run around by Rose Tico, Poe is just a meme until he gets gaslit by Holdo and then disrespected in episode 9.
Obi-wan gets lead on a leash by a literal child, Boba Fett's entire life was changed because he suddenly found out how "wrong" he was and decided to become a criminal... But selling less destructive stuff.
Din is the only one who gets a traditional masculine role as a father and shown respect for it, then in S3 he just hands everything he earned by action to Bo, justified or not this is most certainly centered on a pattern.
In most of the examples every man other than those called out has become a useless background character, a villain/wrong from the narrative perspective, or someone who dies off early. I cannot say the same for the Acolyte having not watched it, but by all commentary it follows that trend.
There are no Qui-Gon's or Mace Windu's i would feel comfortable having a male child emulate in this era, instead we get... kylo or wrapping your identity into being a single dad.
No. Disney is a corporate empire which ultimately answers to its shareholders. Profit and how much they control is their religion.
@@michaellane5381 From the sequels kids could look up to Finn or Poe. Not saying they are good characters but they are good guys. Theres also the Rebels and Clone Wars characters too. Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order. Solo. Also males could look up to some of the female characters as well. I feel like I can look up to Ahsoka and I'm not female. There projects seem to be for all genders and audiences that like different genres and they are aimed at different parts of the fanbase that like different eras. Sequels had an audience that was meant for everyone. Kenobi and Boba was not meant for just females. Theres Solo too which was for everyone. I feel like Acolyte isn't even pushing that it's just for females messgage either because we get characters like Sol and Qimir. They do seem to be queer baiting in the Acolyte a bit though. They have appealed to a bunch of different audiences for a range of different ages. Just because theres a female lead doesn't mean it was pushing for just females only and just because the male characters were poorly written in some of the projects doesn't mean they had it mind to make the male character crappy so they can push the female character up. They are just failing in the writing department in a lot of ways. Whether they suceed or not is up to debate. The only thing they did that was female centiric was their support for feminism by saying the force is female which doesn't mean males are no longer welcome in Star Wars. It was their way of supporting a progressive movement that they belived in or said they belived in so they could get a more progressive audience. The force is female was cringe but they did it once and never again. Star Wars has to be like Captain Marvel for me to say that it's aiming for more female audiences over male audiences and it hasn't been Captain Marvel level in your face obvious that it's meant for just females like that cause all in the Captain Marvel marketing and the movie it's self was basically saying that along with a lot of newer projects too. Star Wars hasn't gotten to that level yet
When everyone you hire must be ideologically pure, you end up with preaching instead of storytelling. Also, as there is no one around to tell them preaching doesn't sell, they learn nothing and keep making the same mistakes again and again. There's a saying in aviation - Some pilots have 1000 hours of experience, and some have 1 hour 1000 times over. If you do nothing but blame the universe for failures, you have 1 hour over and over.
Leslie's just writing what she knows from her experiences with Weinstein. I'm sure it's been said before but it's blindingly apparent that that's what's going on. In all likelihood she made some choices regarding other women that she now feels guilty about and she's trying to normalize that sort of thing through her writing.
And it's really, really gross.
tbh i feel like the shows message is going to be revealed as like a “people can change” type message
showing how someone like mae can redeem herself despite her background and her previous hate towards the jedi
while osha ends up in the darkside through passion
remember the sith code “through passion i gain strength”, showing how the darkside can easily corrupt you
Thor, Rey still ended up liking Kylo without him actually doing anything to atone for what he did. It made no sense for her to risk her life to attempt to save someone she didn't know and had never shown they wanted to be or could be redeemed. Its as bad as we remember. Its just that the Acolyte is written much worse
But isn't that the point of unconditional love? Its not on the condition the person does good. We are confusing justice with love and I don't think rey loved kylo. Maybe attracted.
@@TheDCbiz You can love someone and still do what needs to be done to stop them. That is a main reason the Jedi don't like attachments. It's a misunderstanding to think the Jedi go around trying to save people from themselves.
@@cedricroney1475 i never thought that. The Jedi didn't even save slaves like Anakin's mom, they were just going to let her stay a slave.
Rey isn't even a Jedi. Luke barely qualifies on a technicality with Yoda appointing him as his last act. Rey I think is a grey Jedi??? It was kinda left open ended.
@@TheDCbiz I agree that Rey wasn't a Jedi at all. However most people look at her as one. Luke was a Jedi because he believed in following the will of the force and rebuilding the order. There is no real such thing as a grey Jedi. People forget that to be a Jedi you have to commit to listen too and follow the will of the force. A lot of people think it's just using the force or doing good things but it's actually more like a religion were they know their God is real. The force gives them instructions to follow which is why the order was the most successful out of all the order force orders.
@@cedricroney1475 what? No. Being a Jedi is like a job. It's like becoming a priest or nun or shaman or cop. According to the prequels it's not just listening and following the will of the force. You are trained as a youngling and given a ponytail and then must be taught by a master. Luke had barely any training. The younglings Anakin slaughtered were more of the definition of an actual Jedi than Luke. But again because Yoda, Luke just barely passed. It was kind of an emergency authorization since the Jedi were nearly wiped out
Padme wasn’t the central character? The Phantom Menace was her story more than anyone else’s she is the one who goes through the most developed and has the most connection to the main plot about the blockade. The main character can’t be Anakin in that film as we don’t even meet him until the second act.
Huh? She's barely even a character in the second two movies. It's clearly Anakin's story.
Huh? She's barely even a character by the third movie and had almost zero agency. It's entirely Anakin's story.
In the force awakens when Rey succeeds in mind tricking the guard. The guard should have laughed at her and hit her with the butt of his blaster. Breaking her nose. Easy way to lose and gives her a scar we can see. She could even deny getting it fixed later to remind her of her hubris. And her accepting her flaws and failures in an effort to become better. Anyone could have written a better movie than Ryan Johnson and the guy with glasses. I can't even remember his name.
J.J. Abrams
@Loki_Yogi that's the one. Thanks. I'm sure he will make a decent director one day. Not Ryan tho. He's just lucky the ladies in charge are shitting on star wars harder than he did and that's impressively sad.
Character growth? What is that?
@DarthKastos i think it goes yaaasss yasss
Ok that has to be your best RUclips video title. “Bad high school fan fiction” is so accurate. Lol 😂 So far a lot of lessons that Disney tried to give in Star Wars has been very bad(biggest examples are Rey and Sabine)
Qimir and Osha are going to have a baby and that baby is Palpatine!
Except Palpatine was clearly born on Naboo.
@@emberfist8347simple retcon. They can change anything man. It’s annoying but I’ve given up on star wars
@@emberfist8347 You see, that's the thing... Disney doesn't care about the lore. They've contradicted the canon before (like Ki-Adi-Mundi for example) they can do it again.
@@emberfist8347 That’s where she has the baby!
@@emberfist8347 Palpatine was born on Thor’s wife?
When you have little skill and integrity, its far easier to go down the dark path:
Easily does it flow, quick to join you.
If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your Destiny, consume you it will
Disney has found its way 'forward'?!
It's autobiographical...she's telling the story of how she went to work for that monster. She's trying to push off her own responsibility for not stopping him by showing in the show that she was seduced by the darkside.
So the assumption that this show is just one big therapy session is no longer a conspiracy theory.
@@steve93pa Yeah it is a conspiracy theory from alt-right nitwits.
So, it's guilt by association. It is somehow Headland's responsibility to stop a man in a position of power? And this why people think you're sexist.
@@thehacker4012 there's a thing called mandatory reporting that's used to protect kids from awful things. It might not have been mandatory for her to report him for his awful misdeeds, but by not reporting him she was helping to cover for him.
I don't buy for one second that she had no idea what he was doing either. In most cases a Personal Assistant knows more about their boss than anyone else.
@@zendoargos4988 What are you talking about? Out of all the allegations against Weinstein no one has mentioned children. So mandatory reporting would not apply to the Weinstein situation.
Guy don't give you "well I don't buy it" line of reasoning when you have NO EVIDENCE to back up what you're saying. The idea that because she was his personal assistant that means she knew everything that was going in is beyond ridiculous.
Well, you have successfully convinced me that the bad guy in the Acolyte is Harvey.
The main question is too narrow. This stuff has been happening all over (Hollywood, comics, video games - any Western media) for around 10 years now, not just in Star Wars/Lucasfilm. You can’t look at just this one part without an examination of the larger industries and the ideological invasion/advance that occurred.
And before that, the universities and the bureaucrat class
I am of the opinion that Kanan and Hera are the only good couple in Star Wars
This is not surprising. Kathleen Kennedy has been trying to turn Star Wars into the Twilight franchise ever since she accidentally connected with the Reylo fan base in TFA and decided to dump Rey and Finn's obviously burgeoning relationship in favor of having Rey fall for the "bad boy" and ultimately "fix" him because he just loves her so darn much. Since Kennedy has often stated she's trying to make Star Wars appeal to her granddaughters, I guess we now know what kind of stuff they are into.
Hey Thor, you've talked before about the message of the Mortis arc. How do you feel about the Mortis gods showing up increasingly throughout Star Wars? (And specifically Dave Filoni's work) Do you feel like it in any way dilutes the meaning of the force or contradicts George Lucas's idea of the Whills?
So basically Disney made The Acolyte bad on purpose, so that the Sequel Trilogy looked great in comparison… Huh…
Rey, the textbook Mary Sue, was the absolute nadir of Star Wars. Her nonexistent arc, Daisy Ridley’s performance, and the lore surrounding her is all trash compared to Osha and Mae, and that’s not to say the latter is even good.
The former personal assistant to Weinstein is the showrunner. Failing to send a good message to young people? Not a surprise.
Okay, you know what? He was never in any danger. He wasn’t showing vulnerability, he was feigning it. He had complete control of the situation and he knew it, just like Palpatine. I keep hearing from these articles saying he showed vulnerability, but it’s a lie and they know it
My older sister is a big book person and has red hair. Not only did she thoroughly enjoy Timothy Zahns books, but she LOVED Mara Jade. Disney had a slam dunk follow up story with good female characters… what a fumble
《George is The Core of The Force》
"Through The Empire Strikes Back, Luke is learning to be a Jedi, but it’s not something that you just pick in 10 minutes. The whole idea is it’s very hard to learn to be a Jedi."
"A lot of people get confused about the Force. They see it as some special thing that you can find and pick up and put it on your head and suddenly you have the Force. Whereas it’s always been designed so that every [living] being has the Force."
"The amount of Force, which is like talent or intelligence, is different in every person. Some of it is inherited, but it’s no more than a talent. It’s not something you can acquire - it’s something you can learn to use. I have the power to lift that cup off the table using the Force, but I can’t do it unless I have been trained to do it."
~George Lucas
"The Force is Female."
~Kathleen Kennedy
👽 🖖 🤖
...George Lucas STAR WARS taught me important Life Lessons in my Childhood & continues teaching me into my Adulthood...
...Dizney STAR WARS has Lessened my Lifespan...
She is basically admitting that she knew about Harvey Weinsteins BS and not over said nothing but had a liking of it. She is showing it on screen NOW! She is also saying she is shipping it 🤦🏻 she is showing that it's easy for an abuser to control and turn a weak woman. Osha and Mai (the soap girls) are NOT strong female characters, they are barely characters and that's Leslie Headlamps fault!
People who ship and see romance where there is none, have serious emotional and intimacy issues. It's been shown with studies that they crave it due to lack of emotional in thier own lives.
Its because people who have never suffered feel the need to save the world
Disney is the definition of insanity. They do the same thing over and over again, expecting things to change
Honestly, I'm not surprised that Harvey Weinstein's former assistant has such an attitude
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to be fair...Leslye Headland was Harvey Weinstien's personal assistant for years. It wouldn't surprise me at all, if this is exactly the kind of dark and disturbing shit she gets off on. One thing's for sure though...this is NOT the kind of life-lesson I want my own daughter learning from Star Wars.
Honestly, I know this sounds a little woke and feminist, but is anybody else sick of the trope of a good natured girl trying to convert an abusive bad boy? I didn’t like Fifty Shades of Grey for that reason when I got stuck watching it, and I feel like that shit since the wrong message to women. Also, a lot of the times it’s the same old crap anyway so it’s a cliché as it is.
People who think that a character has to be the same gender or skin colour as them to connect with them are people who only see what is skin deep. They are the people with the issue. The rest of us connect with personality and emotion. The way it should be.
And yet lots of people complain whenever a brown person is in a piece of media. So is it not OK to call that out, if skin color or ethnicity doesn't matter? Works both ways and its either all justified or none of it is.
@@gman7497Except people don’t unless it doesn’t fit such as a film featuring a character who is black in an officers position of a racially integrated unit of the US Army in WWII when the Army wasn’t integrated until 1948. You hear none of these complaints from Star Wars fans.
I still say Rey has a worse lesson than Operational Safety and Health Administration.
O.S.H.A. Is bumbling along and managing to survive even after making mistakes but she hasn’t gained anything yet.
Rey has done literally nothing and got everything handed to her and her ‘mistakes’ were actually the right decisions, so Rey delivers a worse message saying she’ll succeed no matter what she does and the world will bend over backwards for her.
My issue with the Disney-Lucasfilm Universe is eroding line between good and evil and too much of an emphasis on the rather many shades of gray. I don’t have a problem with stories like that such as in ASOIAF or Dune, but that’s clearly not what Star Wars is.
It’s like taking a neo-classical painting, and then painting over it in the style of Impressionism. Disney is fundamentally changing what Star Wars is, and that is not what most of its fanbase want or expect. You can’t just change the core themes and life lessons of what Star Wars is and then expect the fans to be pleased about it.
Are you trying to act big brained over something that has been a thing before Disney took over?
@achaudhari101 Are you trying to be the rational one when you are already digging deeper into a rabbit hole like the rest of these stans out there? Face it, you have already lost, you proved yourself no difference, so why not just save yourself the embarrassment from your strawman argument.
@@mazkeraid4039 I don't really care because what I'm doing is laughing at the rabbit hole philosophy when he likely isn't philosophical like that in real life? As for you, this isn't a competition, so don't try to act like you are trying to have a high moral ground yourself. "Your opinion is untrutful", to hell with that.
@@achaudhari101 It also shows that you are not defending yourself from your insipid nonsense.
@@mazkeraid4039 Neither are you.
I think the issue is really just a lack of responsiveness to feedback.
I think the best moment of Disney Star Wars is the return of Luke Skywalker in the season finale of Mandalorian S2. The reason why it was such a great moment was it was really clear that Favreau had listened to the fans and gave them what they wanted and because of that he had youtube filled with grown men and women in tears of joy, because he listened that fans matter, especially in established franchises that they helped build.
I don't blame Kathleen Kennedy for wanting to make Star Wars a female brand, it's a great idea, and I'm sure if she had succeeded she could probably become Iger's successor because of how much revenue that would bring in, since we know women and girls spend more money overall than men do (or they just have a man spend that money on them lol). But this experiment continues to be a failure, and rather than respond and adapt to it, KK and he friends pull a Gamergate and try to control the narrative so they don't have to come to terms with their own failures.
The very disturbing thing about this "ship" situation being setup and it's whole dynamic is that Headland was Weinstein's personal assistant..
that final point you made went hard 🔥
I don't think all character actions in stories should be considered messages to someone.
Story as a whole, of course, but not every action everyone takes..not even the main character.
"There is no way that Star Wars could get any worse after Asoka,"
Leslie Headland: "Hold my magic helmet"
This is an interesting take. Honestly, when I first was watching the sequel trilogy, like, right after we got out of like episode 9, I remember going to a cafe with my siblings (we watched it together) and sitting down to discuss it. We universally weren't very happy, but one of the things that I had suggested that I thought would have made a more interesting plot would have been if Rey had sort of followed Anakin's path, going from a 'good guy' to falling for the dark side, and turning back by the end of the third film, or something like that. I mean, a lot of the elements were there, and it would have been equally interesting if Kylo had ended up starting out on the dark side, then going back and by the third film had been reunited with Luke and used his understanding of how Rey was feeling, being drawn in by the power, to go in and help her back. With your take, I can see how it might have had a negative impact, but really it would have made for a great story to tell.
The bar is so astronomically low
I think Headland told us herself, Acolyte is something she wrote in
High School. Fan fiction she filed away till she got this job
Modern Efforts to "Deconstruct" All that Came Before have Never Built Anything New, it just Tears Down what is Old.
I think what I liked about the OT was that for a series with War in the name, non-violence was how good triumphs. Obi Wan really did become more powerful by becoming one with the force. Luke only saves Vader by refusing to fight. Violence might have superficial gains, but deeper peace cannot be won with a fist.
I know how I'd fix Acolyte.
Re-film the ending of the last episode.
Instead of whatever is going to happen, everyone in the whole cast ends up gathered in the same place. Yoda shows up and ends them all, finishing the scene with a perfect landing from a triple back-flip decapitation of Sol and Vernestra then Yoda says, "Hm, finished THAT is." force pulls his cane up and walks off stage left.
Lucas started contradicting this in the prequels.
Hey Thor, this might be your best video.
Damn Thor! You really burned Leslie Headlund in the most polite way ever at the end there.
Whatever you're implying at the end is a harder burn than any swear-word or criticism.
Great video bro! Very well put.
Good video Thor. Do you read Star Wars Comics?
Star Wars the Old Republic also did an enemies to lovers thing with Knights of the Fallen Empire and knights of the Eternal throne with Arcann you know the guy that tries to kill you and your friends and some people want the developers to do that with the other villain that tries to kill you and your friends from those expansions Valyin. At least the only way to do Arcann romance you needed to have shows in the redeem option for him him first Valyin is just nasty till the end
05:30 The funny thing, Ryan Johnson who set out to subvert all our expectations, managed to skip the single most important expectation - that Ray would remain this pure good paragon.
A great deal of what he did could have been forgiven had the two characters switched world-views during the throne room fight. For the first time with see Ben/Kylo not acting like emo-ren, but acting calmly while Rey is snarling and wildly swinging her lightsaber around. Can you imagine the crowd reaction at the end when Ben ceases Kylo Ren, declares how wrong he was, extends a hand to Ray, asks her to join, to mend the evil he has done, and she just laughs at him. "You are weak Skywalker." And Ray blasts Ben with Force lightening. The credits roll...
Movie goers and Star Wars fans alike would have gone ape-shit (and not in a bad way either) and the third movie would have been about Ben having to either defeat a FAR more powerful opponent while struggling to not give in once again to the dark-side or desperately try to redeem Rey while trying to stay on block ahead of her crazed lightsaber swings or force lightening because he would feel responsible to her fall to the darkside and would hope that since all of this happened so fast that the darkside does not have her, fully. Good times.
Instead we got what we got.
Really, really good video.
It feels like she's the chicken who justifies him hitting her for not bringing the beer quick enough. Only the black eye was mass murder.
The actor playing Smil-o Ren is doing a really good job though… considering what he has to work with
Completely agree Thor!
Asceticism is the common thread through all religions - and Star Wars and the Force are no different.
Twilight was peak cinema Compared to Acolyte or Sequels🙄
Oh oh oh!!!
What if, she takes up the evil Stranger’s offer, becomes a Sith, and takes on the name Darth Plaguis?!?!
Wouldn’t that be such a crazy Disney thing to do!?~ 😜🤣
Well, maybe because the story of the prequels about how fragile democracy can be hit far too close to home right now and we can't be having that, can we?
It doesn't helpt that the PT storyline is already happening right now in real life.
@@chasehedges6775 because Trump = Palpatine ?
@@Hanoua2 👎👎👎👎👎. Biden = Palpatine, tbh
@@Hanoua2 Trump is more like former Chancellor Valorum of Naboo, tbh.
@@chasehedges6775Valorum was born and raised on Courscant and being someone who was raised in the political world by his family has more similarities with JFK or George W. Bush than Trump or Biden.
Thor, as you were describing the message at the end, I kept thinking of Lesley Headland’s history with Harvey Weinstein. It’s like the episode is trying to help her reimagine those “interactions” into a story where things don’t turn out bad because everyone consents or something. Almost like a self-soothing lie to help her cope. I don’t know, I’m not watching the show, but I get the sense there is a lot of self therapy, delusions, and self insertions in this show (or in Star Wars in general these days)
The problem with Rey she didn’t face any consequences of her actions it just doesn’t make any sense she be in that situation with Kylo the conversation with them just felt like Kylo gaslighting her to play victim no matter what he said it doesn’t justify him turning to the dark side and doing evil. To me the acolyte and Rey ship is terrible just lead to being an obsession fanfic.
Thor to Rey: Perhaps we judged you, too harshy.
I admit I really like the character of Rey, there was so much potential & Daisy Rdiley's acting was simply let down by bad story telling.
Hey, Thor.
I’m one of the few who actually watch The Acolyte, and I agree with you in most your points about the show. However few weeks ago I watch videos made by another channel analyzing speech parents and “micro-expressions” made by Jeki and Yord. How they facades are fake and suggesting that there is few other stories behind all of this characters. And now all this discussions reminds me what happened 25 years ago after Phantom Menace. And 9 years ago with Darth Jar Jar theory. Don’t you think that something similar is at least possible in the case of The Acolyte?
And another thing. I understand that you don’t like this idea that The Jedi are build no wrong psychological foundations and in fact it’s Sith code that is more natural and healthy. That the problem with the Sith is that in their pursuance their are given almost ultimate power. And as we all know ultimate power corrupts ultimately. You seem to be one of those people that claims that Disney is purposely destroying Star Wars. But isn’t this idea of the Jedi being “evil” direct consequence of the prequels by George Lucas? I remember my sister coming back after watching Attack of the Clones for the first time (she’s not nerdy at all mind you) feeling sorry for Anakin. Sure he murdered a bunch of Tuskans, but why nobody talked to him? Why wasn’t he allowed to go to his mother after he started having visions of her dying? Why Jedi Order didn’t buy her out from Hutts slavery? He was their messiah after all and they abandoned him with his mental health struggels.
Have a good day and may The Force be with You.
Nope Rey is Indeed Bad the Acolyte IS just worse
The best criticism I heard of Rey was when ROS was coming out. "We are going into the third movie of a trilogy and the antagonist is the underdog to the protagonist."
Darth Tua has arrived
What else would you expect from Harvey Weinsteins former personal assistant
Thor said Probe!
In all honesty, I would've loved it if Rey had a character arc, a hero's journey where she grows and learns, overcomes obstacles she couldn't surmount before and provided a fresh new approach to what it meant to be a Jedi. Instead, we got a cardboard cutout with no depth and even less character who overcomes seemingly impossible obstacles with a look of awe and amazement at herself and all her natural wonderfulness. Rey really could've been something...instead, Rey ended up being Mary Sue.
Holy shit , the Sith is Harvey Wienstien and his PA aka the show runner is feeding another innocent girl toward the dark side
It's crazy how 6-8 years ago, if you were to have predicted that this is where Star Wars would be today, it would have been considered a gross exaggeration and you would have been shouted down for it.
Kennedy fired many directors for "Creative Differences." But she didn't Fire Miss Headland. And even hired her when all of Disney wasn't hiring company wide. It's almost as if Kennedy was doing a long time friend a favor. We keep wondering why Kennedy hasn't been fired for losing Disney Billions of Dollars. Perhaps we can put the pieces together and know why.
10:52 OK that's clearly a Harvey Weinstein reference!
Rey was that bad. In fact, TFA was the first nail in the coffin...