Well we have the nielsen streaming numbers for the 1st two ep now and Its a 50% decline from Ashoka which itself was a 30% decline from mando s3. The annualization of star wars is killing the brand. Making poorly written stories is just acceralting the decline.
Blablabla who gives a shit about ratings? They have diddly to do about storytelling. I’m sure you had a show or movie that underperformed that you liked.
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 Bob Iger is the one who really helms Star Wars and according to him: “The pursuit of making money is the only reason to make movies. We have no obligation to make history. We have no obligation to make art... Our obligation is to make money, and to make money it may be necessary to make history, art or some significant statement." This is the guy at the helm. If we want Star Wars to be more than just a cash grab we have to hold his contributions to the franchise to a high standard. I can only list the critiques I listen to and that is Little Platoon and I have to say it is more comprehensive and nuanced than the criticisms this video seems to allow
Star Wars Man's review of Andor is the most unintentionally funny indictment of just how bad media literacy has gotten in Star Wars discourse. "Sure, the writing, acting, directing, and cinematography are all great, but show sucks because there's bricks!" The best part is that the show directly explains that brickmaking is deeply important to that world's culture. So much so, that when they die, they mix the ashes into mortar and make a brick.
The first one was filmed in Tunisia, obviously with real sets, and there was a lot of dusty mud walls. But now it should be the smooth CGI look of the prequels?
Star Wars biggest strength, and weakness, is that it’s a barely outlined universe. You can reasonably make almost any story in it. A lot of these people just don’t want to accept that it’s always been kind of a clusterfuck of tone, theme, and setting. Lot of weird books were written in the early 2000s for it lol
"I felt more tired watching these reviews than I did watching Lily Orchard" is probably one of the biggest insults I've ever heard. Hope you take a long rest.
@@angamaitesangahyando685 One doesn't need to be supportive of Disney or like the show to acknowledge that 99.1% of all those "reviews" are complete garbage.
Nah man that's just selective rhetoric. Don't try to fool PPL. That's literally just one small aspect out of a plethora. Plus, you'd expect consistency in a shared universe. It's not an unrealistic thing to ask for consistent narratives
2024 me: People are gonna be murderously mad about Star Wars for years on end. 1999 me, just out of the watching The Phantom Menace: Wait, the same Star Wars where Han Solo punches a giant otter and that Jar-Jar guy steps in "icky poo" and all the kids in the audience giggled? 2024 me: Those kids are gonna be the ones sending death threats to everyone. 1999 me: What's the most un-Star Wars thing there is in the future? I think I'll start liking that instead.
@@funkysam1345 I still dont see how retconning the age of a background jedi in the prequels means anything, like did everything pre-disney never had retcons?
@@alexknight81 oh no nothing. It probably means nothing much. Remember the time when they did the 8 yrs time jump in Spiderman homecoming. It's all about whether the creators care about the stories and characters. U see there's a deeper problem at play here. And let's be honest, this is probably the least worse problem of the rest
If Star Wars fans hated Lucas' ideas on SW before and hate Disney's ideas on SW now. I don't expect them to like a fan's idea on SW when they officially work on the franchise.
@thezone5840 Ah yes, famously similar people, Nazis and Communists. And don't give me that "Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, horseshoe theory, 'muh totalitarianism,' 'Well it had Socialism in the name,' 100 billion gulags" garbage. The only way Communism and Nazism can even be remotely considered one and the same is if you're an unironic NazBol.
The prequels were not my favourite I don’t look at them with rose coloured glasses. But boy, looking at them through lens of the sequels they are a masterclass in coherent storytelling
"Our current landscape of criticism doesn't know what to do with okay stories" I felt this so much while Willow was running on D+. It wasn't amazing but it certainlly wasn't terrible imo. It was campy fantasy fun like the original movie and I was pretty happy with it. The online fandom however, tore it to shreds for not being the 2nd coming of Lord of the Rings or something.
It is really the natrual end point of clickbait/hot take culture through soical media. Eveythign has to be THE BEST movie you've NEVER HEARD OF or it is THE WORST BETRAYAL EVER in film. Examining art in all of its nuances and sometimes it's completely menialness isn't the point. Getting people to look at you make noise is.
I liked Willow well enough, it was a fun fantasy adventure, but I didn't cancel my subscription after only two episodes like I did with The Acolyte. Willow doesn't have anywhere near the problems that The Acolyte has, but I skipped any internet reviews about Willow because I didn't need to be convinced it was good. I was simply bewildered that it got cancelled, just like I was bewildered at how the first two The Acolyte episodes were even allowed to be made. We are now 6 in, and it beggars belief that it is so bad for 180 million dollars spent, even with reshoots.
I watched the original movie when it came out, and then re-watched it AGAIN right before the series launched on D+. The series is orders of magnitude better than the original film... actually redeems it in many ways. Disappointed that it wasn't going to return. Was it the best thing ever? No, of course not. Was it worth watching? for me? Absolutely.
I talked about The Acolyte rage with my sibling this Wednesday, when I noticed, thanks to your stream, that every rage farm review of The Acolyte, even the one from a Star Wars Lore Guy, sort of, kind of, self told that they weren't as into Star Wars as they claimed. Because if there is one thing in the expanded universe of Star wars that is an established thing is: The Force exist in countless cultures in the galaxy, all under different names and different intepritations. The Thread is not special. It is just the latest ineptritation of the force under a new name under a new culture. That's it. It's Star wars Expanded Universe Understanding 101. The Force exist under countless names and in countless forms. Them not understanding or raging about The Thread is a massive self tell. Which is a shame that even a star wars super nerd was failed to acknowledge that.
What's incredibly ironic is that people got so mad that Osha and Mae were seemingly conceived through the force via the witches using some dark-sided force magic and that it "broke canon" when in actuality, that event and the ones that followed as a result of it are way more in line with Star Wars and Lucas' idea of the force than people realize. They just won't acknowledge it because they themselves don't understand how the force works. People keep thinking that the force is like a superpower and that there can be balance between light and dark, which is incorrect. The force is a mystical energy that is in every living thing and it controls everything that happens in the universe. All events are dictated through the will of the force. Furthermore, the dark side is the corruption of the balance of the force. There can be no balance with the dark side since it's inherently corrupting and will make you evil the more you tap into it. However, what is important to note is that since the dark side is the corruption of the natural balance of the force, the force will always adjust itself to bring the balance back, since that is it's natural state and what should happen. This is why it's incredibly intentional in Revenge of the Sith that at the same time Anakin becomes Vader, Luke and Leia are born, since they are the light that will defeat the dark and help bring balance back to the force. The force will always find a way to balance itself out. This is what Lucas himself said about the force and how it works. Now, going back to the Acolyte, it's clear that Mother Aniseya used some dark-sided force magic to create Osha and Mae. Now, as established within the universe, this is inherently bad, since the dark side is the corruption of the balance of the force. However, since the force is supposed to be balanced, it will always even itself out, and we directly see that play out in the episode with the Jedi coming to Brendok. The Jedi being there and giving Osha the option to not join the coven kicked off all the events that lead to the deaths of all the witches, and the Jedi wouldn't have been there in the first place had Osha and Mae not been there, and they were only there because they were created through dark-side force magic by the witches themselves. In essence, the coven caused their own destruction because they messed with the dark-side, which is incredibly true to the mythos of the force and Star Wars itself. This is why it's crazy when people say that it "ruins the lore" when it actually is a great example of directly following the rules of the force that Lucas himself established.
It's just a conservative grievance industrial complex, that looks into all forms of nerd media for chances to try to draw people into the pipeline. Saw something similar at play in Warhammer, a few months back, with the introduction of femme-identifying Custodes as an explicit lore element. Some fans were mildly annoyed, probably partially for misogynist reasons, and partially for Thermian reasons, but the only people who really made hay of it obviously didn't have any interest in the actual universe, because if they did, they'd know that GW retcons stuff every day, and twice on Tuesdays, and at least this gave more opportunities for varied lore for the gold-armored super warriors, and some neat kitbashing and fan art opportunities.
@@aidanpfeifer5247 What's incredibly ironic is how misinformed the OP is. Every Star Wars fan/lore expert I listened to who covered the topic, not only exclaimed what this person just discovered but also cited that they aren't using the Force but Magic. The other issue you are going on about is the incessant need to break canon by inserting their own fanfic character at the front of the line to then claim they were the 1st to do it.
A significant arc of the High Republic was conflict derived from other force cults disagreeing with how the Jedi were running things (and the Nihil exploiting this for their own gain). Even if it didn’t match the EU it was already an established thing in the era it’s supposed to be portraying.
41:45 "The use of pronouns in live action Disney Star Wars!" I will never stop being amused that the anti-woke media grifter landscape has made such a big deal about pronouns that a bunch of them have lost track of the fact that that's the actual term for a common part of speech. Technically speaking, Star Wars has been using pronouns since 1977!
There is propably a meme edit somewhere on RUclips which is just the entire original trilogy but all the pronouns are removed from dialogue and the text crawls.
I think a really long time ago, I wrote a short story where I specifically made a point not to use any pronouns in part as a simple way to make it so there's never any question as to who's doing or saying something, and in part because the teacher back in I want to say middle school presented something like that as a challenge. It was annoying to write and to read, unsurprisingly.
The Acolyte is not what I would consider good Star Wars and is definitely not a good TV show. It's not the worst thing ever, tho, just not very good. Most of those "critics" are more interested in the perceived political messages that they see and their anti-woke agenda rather than actually discussing what is good for Star Wars.
I love the rewriting of history going on. How people act like they've always supported George's vision or legends but a lot of these people were licking the shoes of Red Letter Media and such hating on the prequels... and when he changed the movies like who shot first... Or the meme of "stormtroopers can't aim" literally never showing up in the movies except the scenes where they literally tell you it was on purpose for a trap...
Also: being confused about the gender of an alien is completely normal and honestly should be expected. Sexual dimorphism where it's easily noticeable like in Humans is actually really rare in other animals. Like, you have to get a glimpse of the bits for most animals on Earth and even some that in common knowledge are, aren't that obvious. Bovines and cervines are in the layman zeitgeist, males have hornes and females don't... but this isn't true actually. Female deer can have antlers and most cows are born with horns but they're removed by ranchers. Some female lions grow manes. So in space a lot of animals will probably not have much distinction between their sexes and genders.
BINGO. All these fans talk about Lucas like Livia Soprano talked about her late husband Johnny Boy only AFTER he died: "Oh, that man was a saint, he was a saint!"
@@C4MG1RL YEAH THAT WAS LIKE.... That fucked me up so bad. I heard pronoun complaint, expected something to do with the trans background character, no. Nope. Not that. It was the alien. In a context that wouldn't have been a 'pronoun' discussion had it happened in any other period of time. Somehow people culture warred 'what is THAT? Is that a person??' alien culture shock into 'teh wokes'
literally. the half-life of Star Wars hate is so fucking short. The number of people who crowed at Ahmed Best's or Hayden Christensen's return despite being many of the same people who bullied them out of the franchise in the first place. People going back and saying the prequels were good actually. I guaran-fucking-tee once the new Rey film comes out people will start bitching about how terrible and "woke" it is and longing for the good old days of The Rise of Skywalker
37:50 Lee Jung-Jae recently learned English for this role? I didn’t even know that, that’s impressive that he got so good at English in a relatively short time. The fact that the shit heels in nerdrotic were making fun of his accent is stupid because those wankers are definitely incapable of picking up a second language in that time frame as well as Lee did.
DUDE!!!! THIS VIDEO IS ENTIRELY PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEGATIVE REVIEWS / COMPLAINTS ARE LITERALLY LEFT BY PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIKE SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE DELUSION OF UNEQUAL DISTRIBUTION IN NEGATIVE REVIEWS OF DIFFERENT SHOWS BEING ATTRIBUTABLE TO BIAS / REVIEW BOMBING IS FACTUALLY WRONG AND DELUSIONAL!!!!!!!!!! PEOPLE ARE MUCK MORE LIKELY TO LEAVE NEGATIVE REVIEWS THAN POSITIVE REVIEWS!!!!!!!!! THAT IS A FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE DELUSION THAT MORE SEASONS / TOTAL NUMBER OF EPISODES, SOMEHOW DICTATE THE TOTAL / RELATIVE NUMBER OF NEGATIVE NUMBER OF REVIEWS LEFT BY AN AUDIENCE IS DELUSIONAL!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D
Oh no, they retconned a minor side character's age... ...Anyway... They had to actively retcon the fact that Han Solo didn't know about the galaxy wide conflict that were the Clone Wars. Imagine a guy asking: "What's WWII?" That's the scale of Han Solo's ignorance. Lucas wanted to establish a romance between Luke and Leia, but made them siblings in the next movie. You simply can not build such a massive world like Star Wars without actively retconning it as you go on.
Han is an atheist, that doesn't mean he never heard of the Clone Wars. What a stupid interpretation. Numbers are a lot more concrete than vague statements.
If you don’t care that’s fine, if others do that’s fine. Like this poster said; you do you… or are ya’ll only saying that when it’s convenient for you?
@sptony2718 I think the bigger problem is how they miss the fact that the Force's influence can warp people depending on what they follow. Those that follow the Dark Side often get dragged down by negative emotions and get corrupted mind, body and soul. Those that go too far into the Light Side get detached from their emotions and fail to truly relate to people around them, leaving them vulnerable to missing the obvious signs of a Sith's corrupting influence. Can they change? Sure, we have seen it happen both ways, but this is something that would be way more interesting than whatever they are going for here.
@@bannedmann4469a comment about “retcons have been here since day two” isn’t stopping anyone from “doing them” by being mad about retcons, it’s providing them added information that they’re maybe ignoring because charismatic outrage merchants are financially incentivized to drive culture war bullshit based on something as inconsequential as a birthdate changing. Ki Adi Mundi is no one’s favorite Jedi. His birthday carries no significance and was never mentioned outside of extended universe material that *was never real canon* written by dozens of different writers who never talked with each other and that, taken as a whole, contradicted itself (and the films) plenty. They were always only fan fiction, not carefully crafted with painstaking reference and reverence to a shared production bible. It don’t matter. None of this matters. Star Wars shitting up established facts is a time honored tradition. But you do you.
Small correction, the witches in the acolyte are not related to the dathomirian witches nor the nightsisters. This has been confirmed behind the scenes. Their just a other witch clan that just exist in the universe like the other millions of different force orders established both in canon and legends. Love the video, sorry my inner star wars had to come up lol, keep up the good work
I really wish the witches got more screen time I don't feel like we were given enough time with them to understand them. I get that might be the point given our protagonist's PoV but I was left more confused by them than anything.
@DokturProfesur 100% the witches don't break any established ideas on the force in star wars. The biggest breaking of how the force works are the people who try to cling to the idea of balancing the force and the grey jedi.
It's weird to have a sect of witches other than the Daphmiri witches because they've been the only witches in any of the shows for years now. They definitely should have made it more clear that they were unrelated.
being a new fan of Star Wars really sucks cause every time i try to find someone to talk to about it, i run into these guys who insist that i'm enjoying SW in the wrong way. sci-fi and fantasy are limitless genres; why force everyone into a very narrow understanding of it all?
@@birchwwolf You're describing a false reality. There was no outpouring of racism towards Kelly Marie Tran or John Boyega. Tran's agents and others claimed that, but there isn't a single receipt to corroborate that story. Yeah, there was racism towards Finn... from China.
I feel people don't realize the idea of canon is a fluid concept; they seem to want a canon, to believe the author is literally a god that they can follow and thus be validated by it. As you showed, this is an endeavor destined to fail, since the authors themselves know, through experience, that canon isn't that serious. I'm a fan of Touhou and when the the author went to a con in the US, someone asked him about the canon and he was genuinely confused.
I'm a casual fan of Touhou and most of what I know about the setting and characters was determined by fan interpretations. I agree, it's not something that tries to adhere so strictly to a set of rules.
If u want PPL to be invested in a shared universe and connected stories it's not at all an unrealistic thing to expect. The problem is, Star wars has no forward looking plan. So if u think u can't write a cohesive story, then might as well leave it
It also can be very restrictive. Our real world's "canon" changes all the time. We get new information that recontextualizes knowledge that was canon before. Why can't some people think the same thing could happen in media?
The word canon comes from religion, you have the canonical texts, and the apocrypha. Maybe this tells on the cult like mindset of some fans. Religious canon cannot be revised, since it is supposed to represent a deeper truth than even reality (science revises theories about material world all the time, even history gets reassessed with new info and viewpoints) Still, Biblical canon isn't internally consistent either - mythologies even more, there is often several versions of the origin of a certain Greek gods for example, and in history some events aren't recorded and people have differing views what took place, so it's irrational to want a fictional canon to be immaculate. Understandable, if it is a religious faith based on it.
Yeah, the comic book thing is a great point because as DC/Marvel fan sh*t is getting retconned all of the time and we just accept it. Culture warriors are getting really desperate for things to be mad about and it's honestly getting really annoying 😅
Culture warriors have done this for decades. Back in the 80s, one Religious Right leaders said that kids would turn gay if they watched Teletubbies. I'm not exaggerating.
@@TheVeritas1 As someone who grew up Mormon and then left I definitely believe you lol. Some of the things I've seen people become morally indignant about have been unbelievably silly
@@ABenAbides Many of the SW grifters are part of the cultish religious denominations, so its not that hard to believe that they would spread their religious zealotry onto geek culture.
@TheVeritas1: Nice trick for the Religious Right to condemn the Teletubbies back in the 80's when they weren't created until the very late nineties, going on the air in 1998. Jerry Falwell accused Tinky Winky of encouraging homosexuality in 1999, the same year The Phantom Menace was released.
Ki Adi Mundi's age is also funny because it's not like it was even established in an actual STORY. It was just a factoid dropped in one of those "Visual Dictionary" things that are NOTORIOUS for having the creators just making shit up all the damn time. Treating one of those like some kind of Holy Text is pure comedy. And on your point with Mae dipping out on her revenge quest once she became aware that Osha was alive... Isn't that literally what happened with Luke when he found out Vader was Anakin? Like, it's literally why Luke fails the first Cave Trial because he's so hellbent on messing Vader up. He goes into that fight with the intent to, yes, save his friends, but also to kill the hell out of Vader. Then by RotJ, he's got this almost Quixotic quest to SAVE Vader and turn him back to the light. So why can't a dark sider force user do the same?
@@Hello-bi1pm Incorrect! That only established that he was old and had a special dispensation from the Jedi council to appear by remote so he could fuck bitches since his species was in peril of extinction. It did not ESTABLIISH anything about his age.
Something I've had in mind for a while was the realization, going back to your last point, that Star Wars fans are, on the whole, very entitled. And why shouldn't they be. Their franchise transformed the movie industry, and science-fiction in general, and the OT are still considered some of the greatest movies in American and World cinema. No franchise of this scale is quite like this, to have started with a bar set so high that there is quite literally nowhere to go but down. And nowadays, some fans will argue that it never went downhill, at least until George Lucas sold his franchise to the Disney overlords. Despite the fact that no long-lasting sci-fi or fantasy franchise has ever been consistently excellent (if anyone can think of one I'd be glad to hear), some fans will claim that everything George Lucas touched turned into gold. The thing about Science-Fiction, however, is that it is middling at best. No science-fiction (or fantasy) that I can think of is absolutely amazing all of the time. Certainly not from the get-go. I am a huge fan of Doctor Who and Star Trek as well as Star Wars. God knows neither of the two former franchises began at their absolute best. Some will still argue that they did, but in reality more universally-recognized great moments happened years or even decades later. Even in fantasy, on the big screen at least both LOTR and GOT have had trouble being adapted. So did Dune. Hell, so did Super Mario. Movies are a different beast than literature, and even consistently great book series have found it difficult on the big screen. Star Wars is different, now. Fans are increasingly considering the prequels, and especially Revenge of the Sith, to be the best films, even sometimes eclipsing the OT. Few professional critics, i think, would genuinely think that, but even so the consensus is changing in the fanbase. Every new project has to be the best thing ever. Like you said, it can't be middling. It can't be inconsistent, or experimental. It can't copy the things that were perfect, either, lest it be too unoriginal. It can't even be science-fiction, because it has to be consistently perfect. Star Wars fans don't know when they've had it good.
@@FloofMother But what I'm getting at is that people in general like to be a part of something. If they feel like they are part of something special, they feel all the more special too. You don't need to be a young child to experience this... all humans are like this. The key is to try to remain self-aware, a critical skill that so many of these armchair analysts completely lack.
I disagree that scifi is middling at best-- good scifi asks questions about humanity and the progress we're making. Frankenstein, The Island of Dr Moreau, The Handmaid's Tale, The Left Hand of Darkness, Fahrenheit 451, 1984, I could go on. Star Wars isn't good scifi because it's focusing more on entertainment and less on the questions asked. Good science fiction isn't about grand space battles or blip bloop robots, but about humanity and its relation to science. It doesn't ask "what is the metric of the Force" but "what questions about humanity does this scientific advancement ask and what are the possible answers."
@@cinemagoose I can agree to that, at least. I don't think humans are very good at planning, and that's why complaining about minute details is kinda pointless. I'm an artist and they always tell you worry about the big shapes over the fine details. If the big shapes are right, the details don't matter as much.
@@cinemagoose I'm primarily into books, which I find are far easier to enjoy as independent works. I don't really write books myself, but I would love to build up to that some day. What I love about stories is what you said-- emotional and thematic pieces. What does the work Say matters more to me than what the work Does. It's why Toni Morrison is one of my favorite authors.
1:18:22 This is me. I used to watch a lot of youtubers like The Critical Drinker, Nerdrotic, Disparu, and Mauler and it became exhausting. I get having film criticism but when these people just hate, hate, and hate even more it becomes very unfun. The fact that there is a 6 hour review on Doctor Strange 2 which is almost 3 times longer than the actual film, you need to realize what the problem is
@@PlatinumAltaria yeah I’ve moved on to watch RUclipsrs like Schafrillas Production, Friendly Space Ninja, and Cosmonaut Variety Hour. Their videos are far more enjoyable
Some whataboutism but you seem to criticizing, and I even sense some hate for, these critics. Haven't seen a Drinker video for about a month but the last one I saw came from a part of his channel called The Drinker Recommends, give that part of his channel a try. Entertainment critics have been around for quite a while, this channel claims to do critiques There is more criticism because modern entertainment has gotten worse. IPs that be should like being allowed to print money have been given bad writers and directors starting maybe a few years before the 2020s If we don't complain and try to guide studios to what the biggest share of the audience wants then they're will keep losing box office, rating, streaming and merch sales to the point where we'll get very few/no shows and movies.
@@willfilmon182Bro, Leslye is a Star Wars nerd, she definitely put heart into that show. Also, by your own standards, Star Wars should hsve the father of a beloved character watching... I am not finishing that sentence, but you get the giest of it.
Being a Star Wars fan nowadays is exhausting with how often people are willing to misrepresent the series in the false name of 'criticism'. Most of those people aren't engaging with the show for what it is, but what they want it to be and are disappointing themselves when they've set themselves up for failure.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but honestly what I see is the right doing what they always accuse the left of. Infiltrating media and manufacturing outrage so they can create a platform to spread their beliefs.
@@witecatj6007 Only in DW you can have extensive and heated debates about even if your favorite version of the fricking main character it's actually good, or even if the novels or audio-dramas are reliable canon source, or even if the old show still completely canon even before the Timeless Child
@@PlatinumAltaria The Doctor was half human( something that they themselves said) until the 2005 revival just said "Fuck you Mcgann" or when the Doctor was the reincarnation of the third founder of Time Lord Society, and them every EU writer just develop amnesia on the topic
Star Wars fans: "Oh my god, they changed the age of a minor character basically known for saying a funny line! This is sacrilege!" SpongeBob fans: "Yes, the Krabby Patty secret formula was discovered like, 10 different ways, the world has ended and inexplicably come back several times, there are 892 different futures that exist, the king of the sea is only sometimes also a god and sometimes they're separate entities entirely and he exists in multiple forms, what else is new?"
I pay to subscribe to Disney + and would hope for more than the teenage fan fiction show that I am getting for my money. You don’t need to be a hardened SW fan to cringe at The Acolyte on so many levels - inconsistency with its storytelling context is just the icing on the cake.
@@jamess7181 Then stop subscribing or at least don't watch The Acolyte. You don't have to consume media you dislike just because it carries a brand you have nostalgia for.
@jamess7181 if someone is holding a gun to your head and making you watch the Acolyte, call the police. Otherwise you can just not watch it and move on. Like a normal person might do. Breathe. Touch grass. Find a story that resonates with you
@@Alkeerosfind a story that resonates with him? Like idk star wars probably did before it got ruined. Imagine telling a star wars fan not to watch Star wars. We r passionate about it and it means a lot to many of us so even when it's bad we r gonna watch and complain about how they r ruining something great. Whats wrong with that?
@jacobjackson2787 like fire in space which happened in star wars countless times before. Also a series that was already ruined like 12 times before lol.
Another thing about legends being "apolitical" being silly. People really like to trash on or joke about the whole "superweapon of the week" thing, but those stories were often very explicitly and obviously against the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Like, it's really obvious in the case of something like the Jedi Academy trilogy.
I feel like it makes it impossible to actually properly discuss issues with Star Wars when it comes to writing because it immediately turns into an excuse for the opposition to be a bigot. Star Wars isn’t perfect and it never was but I feel like if I ever acknowledge fault I’ll be subject to a tirade and if I ever point out that some of the things that where found to be an issue in newer media can also be found in older Star Wars they immediately becomes defensive and I begin receiving ad hominem attacks.
I think it comes down to lack of nuance. The internet as a whole doesn't really do "this thing was okay!" Or "this thing is good but not great!" I agree, the Disney Trilogy is rough. I think from a story telling perspective 9 is the least coherent of the 9 main movies. Maybe of all of them (I never watched Solo). But I don't think pronouns or a woman jedi or Luke not being perfect are what ruined it. Genuinely good stories/movies could be made about either broad path for Luke. But these movies didn't have a lot of time to develop it.
Bro I see everyone logically explaining flaws in the writing in this show and people that defend it in response just say "stop watching" or "u hate queers" or "ur racist" and can never explain what makes the show good like we can explain what makes it bad. Sol saw children wandering in a forest sees their mother get onto them for it and assumes they r in danger.. complete nonsense, but I'ma bigot for saying that? And I could go on and on listing contrived lazy nonsense from this show as I have many times
@@Alkeeros i think rey being a woman and finn being black were factors of its faults, but not because they exist as such. rather, because of misogyny and racism, Rey was reduced to a plot point and Finn was removed entirely from the narrative. I don't think it would have happened if either were cis white men, and that bothers me. At the same time, I also think criticizing the flaws in star wars is also just exhausting because we know it's bad. Like at a certain point maybe we should spend our energy talking about actually good scifi, or at least scifi that says more than "hero good, villain bad but can become good."
Have you tried not making racist or sexist points? That would probably help as every single accusation I have seen comes because people are being pretty openly racist and sexist or pretending that the racist and sexist people do not exist.
@@bannedmann4469 Sounds like the guy needs to back to writing his shitty Mary Sue middle aged dad tacticool adventure novels and give this whole "engaging with modern media" thing a rest then if it's that hurtful to him. Why not do what you love instead of mire in what you hate? Life's too short to be Will Jordan.
@@ninegearcrow I Coincidentally watched a video yesterday from James Tullos ("The Critical Drinker's Book is a Boring Dumpster Fire") where he speculates that "CD" is raking in something near to $800K a year with his RUclips grifting as well as his other connections to Patreon and the Daily Wire. There's a very good a lucrative reason to be continually angry and offended. The "CD" is a character who makes a lot of money, and he's not about to give that up. Why would he?
I genuinely can't comprehend the obsession with Star Wars and upholding the sanctity of its canon, it's the same religious zeal that creates the theological schisms we see in real world denominations that reject/accept varying interpretations of texts. Critics don't criticize Star Wars, they preach and glamorize the vision of The Creator and how everyone else fails to interpret it the way they see fit.
There's a satirical video on how bad Earth's worldbuilding is, which is meant to demonstrate how it's ridiculous to complain about worldbuilding in fiction to begin with.
Star Wars is a real mythology built from the ground up by George to distill the values of all major world religions into one simple thing (via Campbell). What happens when religious texts don't agree?
It's even wired that pre-disney there was no such thing as a consitent canon, it was a higharchy teir that kept changing all the damn time. As much as people are upset over the EU getting the boot from canon status I more personally think it was the best decison becaus enow like it or not we have a clearly defined canon
"I genuinely can't comprehend the obsession with Star Wars and upholding the sanctity of its canon" If a work of fiction cannot adhere to its own canon, then why bother get invested?
@@harlannguyen4048 1. In the OT and especially the prequels "bonfire" flames are shown to exist. There is no sound in space but in star wars we allow it due to suspension of disbelief just like we accept the death star or Jedi exist alongside aliens like jar jar and jabba 2. You're kinda right. There is oxygen molecules in space. It's just there is no high oxygen ozone in space. So very little oxygen to work with to sustain fires. But according to NASA fires in space burn at lower temperatures and last actually longer in space for some reason maybe because fires are also more easily to be started from spontaneous combustion due to those lower temperatures oddly enough. But fires in space look more like the sun, a ball of fire. Not bonfire 🔥 style. Due to gravity on earth flames are created like that as hot air rises. But coming from their source briefly yes fires bonfire style can occur. The more you know 🌠
Pretty sure it doesn’t look quite like that in space, but I’m also pretty sure hyperspace and the force don’t exist and sound doesn’t travel in space so I’m not sure why you’d get hung up on realism now.
And then you have the implication. The agenda where they are required to hate Disney, or James Gunn, or M&Ms, potato head, bud light or whatever it is this week
I wish people would realize that quality of writing has declined because studios and networks are making everyone crunch to cram out as much new content as possible. I’m old enough to remember when sequels came out every 4-6 years. Writers have, since the dawn of time, incorporated morals into their stories. Look at fairy tales for Christ’s sake. Because these people are barely given enough time to write a first draft they have to sacrifice subtlety and creative ways to convey lessons/morals in favor of a not so subtle approach. This is a late stage capitalism problem.
The birth thing is wild to me because I remember a major criticism of the prequels was about treating Vader like Jesus. People hated the divine birth. It goes into my theory that if a Star Wars thing is 15 years old it become unassailable gold no matter how good/bad it is. I do think the sequels will have a harder time proving that theory given how politicized their existence became, especially after ep 8. We saw it all the time. People hated the prequels and now fans think ep 6 is one of the best films-despite how boring it is. Clone Wars wasn’t super beloved. People hated Ashoka and now everyone loves her and that mid cartoon show.
You also have to keep in mind that the people complaining now are different people. Many of them grew up with the prequels as a core part of what Star Wars is, and so the things that those who grew up with the OT complained about about the prequels were just accepted and lumped in.
@@Jallorn Great point. The OT diehards were the harshest critics of Vader's virgin birth while the concept was accepted by kids (now adults) who grew up watching the Prequel Trilogy.
I think given how at first the Original Trilogy era content was hated is now accepted in the wider IP makes me think that despite all this anger for the Disney era content will eventually also become accepted. This is even more so when if you look over the haters the avrage age is around 30 years old or there abouts. Yeah by the 2040's or 2050's we will be in a new era where it's the Gen Alpha (the current child generation whose Star Wars is the Disney Era.) are now the adults in charge the Disney Era will become accepted and at worst whatever new Star Wars then will be what gets shit on
@@ConnorLonergan that’s why I said “15 years” that’s essentially a new generation. But the Disney era may be differently received because of how politicized it was.
The only serious criticism I have is Mae's changing motivation: At the start of the series she is convinced her entire family is dead and the four jedi are responsible so she wants revenge, sounds reasonable. She kills the first two jedi because she is convinced. At the end of episode 2 she realizes her sister is still alive so during episodes 4 and 5 she starts doubting her conviction until she decides to turn herself in to the jedi just to be with her sister. Ok, I can buy that change of heart. At the end of episode 5 she confronts Osha and tries to convince her of running away together. It makes sense that she abandons her previous plan of turning herself in given the chaos of the current situation. Up until this point I can follow clearly Mae's evolution. To me this is the point where she loses me. When she wins the fight agains Osha, instead of taking her and trying to run away, or just running away on her own since she is surrounded by enemies, she takes her sister's place, both to escape her former master who wants to kill her, and to enact her revenge against Sol which she apparently didn't want to continue. Not only that but she leaves her sister to be killed by her former master or one of the monsters in Khofar. Mae does a total 180 from only caring about reuniting with her sister to abandon her to die in order to pursue a path of vengeance she no longer believed in. This is to me the worst written moment of the show. And we see so little of Mae and her internal thoughts during the next two episodes, that 2 weeks later I still can't understand why she did that.
Good old Ki-Adi Mundi, the guy I completely forget about even existing until I see another "what about the droid attack on the Wookies?" meme and I got "oh yeah, that guy".
24:11 That's a common criticism of the Jedi many people make, but they don't seem to realize that the Jedi _ask_ the children's parents to take them, they don't just kidnap them. In fact, it's better that they take him, because an undisciplined Force User would become a deadly Sith. It's not joining a cult, like many people try and paint it, but it's more like going to school. After all, how do you wanna do anything in life if you don't know how to properly structure your sentences, use proper grammar and know basic math? Except instead of teaching you math, the Jedi teach you how not to destroy everything with your mind. That, and I'm like, 90% sure there's an interview somewhere that George Lucas says that the Prequel Jedi are supposed to be them at their prime and not complacent. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure George doesn't have the same view of the Prequel Jedi as many fans do.
The major complaints and possible threats such as the glup shitto DoB change on a fandom Wikia is something you expect from Sonic fans in regards to Sonics green eyes and the blue arms. [ EDITED ] alright I was wrong, at least sonic fans in general mocked and joked at the people who made those outrageous statements.
the most annoying part is the Star Wars fandom by-and-large brought this on themselves by constantly baying for fanservice. He wouldn't have appeared in the show at all if people hadn't been constantly begging Disney for a Boba Fett show and an Obi-Wan show and a Han Solo show and a droideka show and a Watto show
I enjoy vicariously hate watching media I'd never consume through other people's RUclips reviews (example: Rebel Moon criticism that points out all the filmmaking and storytelling issues in the movies), but the videos for this show have been so painful to try to get through that I've unsubscribed from several accounts because now I don't trust their judgment at all. RLM came out with their review and their commentary on the RUclips criticism discource and the consensus was like, yeah it's aight. If RED LETTER MEDIA is like, yeah it's fine to watch, then I know for sure these RUclips critics are way off base.
There was literally a robot chicken skit about how the prequels had so many dumb connections people just accept now, like Anakin building C3PO or Midichlorians being a thing. The lack of self awareness with people who make fun of these things before a story is even finished is hilarious yet disturbing to me.
Midichlorians were only hated because people misunderstood their nature. They don't generate the Force, they are a gateway between life and the Force. All they explain is why Force sensitivity is so rare.
Robot chicken had a lot of dumb skits that don't make any sense. Like Vader calling Palpatine about the Death Star. Vader wasn't in charge of the Death Star, Tarkin was. All he had to do was say, "Daddy Palps, your bou Tarkin fucked up. Should have put me in charge." But the skit as written MAKES NO SENSE. Maybe you shouldn't get your Star Wars critique from fucking ROBOT CHICKEN.
@@seanmurphy7011 Yeah when youre arguments are eerily close to a parody you might want to rethink your position lol. I do think that skit is funny though, those versions of Vader and Palpatine are kinda how i see them in general now.
Anyone notice that on these ''''''woke'''''' show reviews they almost always just have pictures of the actors/actresses (MOSTLY actresses) outside of the show like as if we should blame them for the show failing/being bad
YES, it's so dumb. That's also why disney continues making these Shows, people will hatewatch it, people woll watch it for making revies and so on, it will trend. All attention is good attention, if a click gives you money. It's a circle in which reviewers and Studio make money of producing Garbage at each other
I do notice that it's mostly the actresses. 'Borderlands' have been released to abysmal reviews and everyone knows that's on the filmmakers and the studio decisions. But on these anti-"woke" reviewers' reviews, they have Cate Blanchett and Jamie Lee Curtis on the thumbnails. The movie is an ensemble, even the marketing and promos tell us this, why single out the two actresses? Now, I don't watch their reviews. Maybe they do acknowledge the blame is on the filmmakers and the studio. But thumbnails also speak.
@julesvillega "I'm not sexist, it's just a coincedence that all my criticisms about female characters are about them being too competent and the male characters being disrespected."
Critics: "This is so boring, why can't they do something creative with the aliens or alien cultures!?" *Makes the Gerbil maybe non-binary.* Critics: "FUCKING PRONOUNS!"
Yeah how about ditching this Sith nonsense and start with new threats, like an alien Empire wanting a chunk of the New Republic or something, instead of "you see this alien? It's non-binary!".
And here I thought Star Wars was about themes, aesthetics and concepts - turns out it's about route recitation of obscure facts from notoriously flexible lore. Thank you Star Wars Theory!
Some people enjoy media franchises in the same way one might enjoy reading about history To them, being able to dive deep into lore about some alternate world is the most enjoyable experience - The more concrete the foundation (consistent cannon, comprehensive magic/technology), the more immersive the hobby becomes as they learn more and more about this worlds history and science making up the world. Imagine if you were a history fan and were reading a historical fiction; wherein George Washington and Abraham Lincoln meet - The authors simply changed the birthdates and acted like it didn't matter. It might seem like nitpicking to the rest of us, but they aren't wrong to enjoy media in this way.
@@TheGaboomNo they would be ridiculed because it's ultimately fiction. There's giving points for accuracy and then there's being a prick. It's a different matter for documentaries where there's a bit more expectation, but the word fiction carries a lot of weight.
Critical Drinker said yhe quiet part loud, which is why you can't take him as anything more than an angry white guy who needs representation or he's shouting into a microphone. "See if you can find the white guy". Yup. Thats CD on a plate.
@@harlannguyen4048 no, for being a grifter and making shit up all the time. Star wars isnt a franchise where you need to think. it wasnt created to make you think, it was created to entertain. Yes, you can analyze and there is interesting content to break down. I for one like how you can read Anakin's down fall as a critique of toxic masculinity. But star wars isnt a deep show, the writing is always rough. You honestly think the prequels and hell even the og triology had great writing? it was okay at best and down right cringey at worst. just say you hate queer people and move on.
That and you trigger somebody. No matter what you say there will always someone who disagrees so strongly you have accidentally created an enemy for life. And I can assure you that this is not a fun minefield to navigate, and I don’t blame you for keeping out of it.
DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE CANON!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS EXACTLY WHY YOU DO NOT LOVE STAR WARS!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE, BY DEFINITION, NOT A STAR WARS FAN!!!!!!!!!!!! DUDE!!!! THIS VIDEO IS ENTIRELY PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEGATIVE REVIEWS / COMPLAINTS ARE LITERALLY LEFT BY PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIKE SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE DELUSION OF UNEQUAL DISTRIBUTION IN NEGATIVE REVIEWS OF DIFFERENT SHOWS BEING ATTRIBUTABLE TO BIAS / REVIEW BOMBING IS FACTUALLY WRONG AND DELUSIONAL!!!!!!!!!! PEOPLE ARE MUCK MORE LIKELY TO LEAVE NEGATIVE REVIEWS THAN POSITIVE REVIEWS!!!!!!!!! THAT IS A FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE DELUSION THAT MORE SEASONS / TOTAL NUMBER OF EPISODES, SOMEHOW DICTATE THE TOTAL / RELATIVE NUMBER OF NEGATIVE NUMBER OF REVIEWS LEFT BY AN AUDIENCE IS DELUSIONAL!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D
I really appreciate this. We need more good faith thoughtful discourse around Star Wars. My only pushback is that I don't believe that ppl like Nerdrodic and C. Drinker are actual fans. I think they're grifters. Maybe a small distinction, but I think it's important. That said, this video is still a brilliant piece of work.
The sad reality is that this is a continuous circle, any new interpretation of Star Wars will inevitably not jive with everyone, it’s always going to be a fans version of what they think is a good Star Wars story, there will always be someone who doesn’t like the direction, which in turn leads them to grift and become bitter about said direction, causing them to lash out online, it’s a never ending cycle, doesn’t even matter if the Star Wars project is good or not.
Honestly though, what value do movie critics actually hold anymore? You can criticize things when they bother you or you see it as important to improve, sure, but when you make critiquing things your self-appointed duty, you start confusing your personal feelings with objective criticism. I no longer trust online reviews.
there's that, but also they're biased, because they want their early access, and freebies and stuff, and if they give a bad review, they lose it. they'll give a better review than someone who can barely afford to pay to see the thing. if watching a show or movie costs you time and money and you get nothing for it other than entertainment, then you're probably going to be more critical than someone who was given early access or does it for a job.
@@AKATenn I think they're just expressing their political bias and bigotry more than anything. Early access has always been a thing. It didn't result in mass hate review campaigns like this. They also give good reviews to movies with white males leading which they don't get early access to either.
@@MrAlcazar Used 2 think Jar Jar wasn't a good character, now disney is starting 2 make him look a lot better, he certainly is a lot more Star Wars than "Daaa powar of mmaaaannnyyyyy". Holiday Special is bad but it's still better than acolyte and is a lot more Star Wars.
Finally a video where someone criticizes the series but also addresses the misunderstandings. Because I only get hate videos from these trolls who grift and demonize the ones who make the shows and movies. It's such a shame that we've ended up in an era where it's either this side or the other side and it's scary that these internet trolls have gained such influence that as soon as something new comes out, there's a lot of hate and misinformation that spreads on the internet. That's not what fandoms should look like.
I think the problem is they made it look like a campfire. Being in a vacuum, the fire will rush out at super speed. So the fire will be more like a violent rocket engine after the explosion and then put itself out. Basically, it's a quick explosion, quick fire, and then puts itself out.
@@solastro5595 realistically it would've been a blowtorch and you'd put it out by cutting the gas main. But someone tought that nice little flames would look better on camera, and Star Wars plays fast and loose with science.
As soon as the "w-word" falls, you don't really have to listen to what the other person is saying anymore. At that point it's not a review or criticism anymore. It's just hate.
That's terrible logic, so I can point out a laundry list of factual flaws in the show but If i mention it being woke I'm just a hater and all the facts I stated don't matter? Way to avoid confronting problems with the show.. the CEO of Disney himself acknowledged they have been pushing agendas instead of creating compelling stories and said they needed to stop or something along those lines. But people calling that out are just haters? Cmon
@@lukebytes5366 funny how u couldn't refute the facts I stated so u shift.. I shouldn't respond cause u didn't actually respond to me but I will, people use the term woke to basically say it's just pushing agendas... It's more of a blanket statement that encompasses many things in regards to shows like the acolyte, similar to how u might describe a show as funny, it's not identifying what specific things worked its more of a "vague" blanket statement that gets the point across which the point is usually expanded on later by going into specifics. I don't see how this mattered at all or why u asked. The CEO of Disney admitted this was a probem... How are u still tryna act like it's just a hater thing, is the CEO a hater? Logic guys cmon
@@jacobjackson2787 The w-word is just used to denounce something the user dislikes. To base an argument on that is basically saying "I don't care about the actual contents of what I am watching. I just dislike it and anything I associate with it." Maybe you just don't like it because you don't like the story, but I hardly doubt you actually dislike it for something like a female lead or anything like that. That's why I immediately disregard any "criticism" of people who use the "w-word". They don't look at the product itself, they think someone is feeding them values. So is it a bad value to understand that the force is not simply for the jedi to wield, or that the jedi have always been a deeply flawed organization that hungers for political power? Is your problem maybe the casting? The story itself is serviceable and fits into the established canon, despite people claiming otherwise. The best you could really say is that you wanted more than this. And maybe less of the weird alien thing that was constantly sniffing. You really don't need the "w-word" to critique all this.
@@TageM_Official thats the best I could say? Lol, lets see.. The writing is extremely contrived, Leslye needed her story to fit in canon so she makes it fit in the laziest ways possible. Sol knows about the sith but can't tell the Jedi cause the comms just happen to go out.. in the messed up message he sent out he never mentioned sith.. then the power just happens to go out, then wen it all finally works and sol could tell the Jedi he doesn't take the one second it would take to yell "sith" on the comms cause he wants to tell a story.. and btw the person he wants to tell a story to is passed out.. that's completely contrived nonsense. There's the scene where sol could easily pick up the two little girls but instead he tries carrying the bridge pieces under them and lets Mae fall... The whole thing with OSHA hanging out with then joining the guy who tried killing her and her sister, killed her friends, and took her in her sleep just yesterday... But she learns sol killed her mom 16 years ago and instantly goes full darkside and kills him... Then Mae apologized for starting the fire which as far as OSHA knows is what killed all the other witches.. but osha's fine with that.. Speaking of that situation and sol. He didn't say the obvious statement of ur mom turned into a demon and Mae started dissolving so I had to do it. He instead says I did the right thing, u guys are 1 person.. as if that matters when defending why u killed their mom. And there is so much more the entire show is just contrived The reason it's written so lazily is a result is a result of the "w-word" agenda. They are more focused on pushing agendas in the show than actually writing something good. Not only that but they are more focused on hiring specific types of people than the people best for the jobs.. resulting in a bad show. I have nothing against the cast other than I think a couple of them made themselves look like goofs outside the show but whatever its just funny to me. Sol and Qimir both were played by great actors. I have no problem with a female lead and said nothing about that up to this point funny how u just assume that cause I don't like the show... Anyway AFTER watching this show I can say Lesley shouldve had Amandla audition.. look at her face as she killed sol for example.. no expression at all she has a constant blank face. But I guess I'm sexist for noticing right? But honestly thats the least of this shows problems and not something I've ever even mentioned til now. Now for a little cherry on top I'll mention a couple smaller contrivances. The stone fortress catching fire, the power generators blew up and the wires burned but when OSHA returns she hotwires the door panel that Mae broke.. except Mae broke the panel on the otherside and there obv shouldn't be power. It apparently only takes 20 minutes to get from coruscant to the outer rim. Etc, etc, etc..
The Acolyte has been the most annoying thing to discuss. I don't know what it is with this show, the closest I've seen to these reactions was MoTU: Revelations when people who I know for a fact actually watched it just sounded like they had a collective allucination (I had one of these people unironically say "they took a black girl and made her the new He-man!" for crying out loud). The show is clearly trying to mimic the prequels at times with the weirdly stiff dialogues (which has still better delivered and acted because it's very difficult to match early 00s Hayden Christensen on purpose) but even being extremely ungenerous to it I can't really call it "so bad it ruined Star Wars forever". Fuck, I am a Star Wars fans since before the Special Editions and the reactions to the Thread were confoudning because I remember the goddamn White Current. Yes, it's odd if it comes out the first time for you but I don't get such visceral reactions. I know I didn't have one back then with the Fallanassi (which have been brought back recently in the comics).
My biggest problem with The Acolyte is it hadn't enough Abigail Thorn. Sol is Latin, among others, for "sun". But, because it's pronounced similar to "soul", the potential for puns and symbolism are so obvious, I have used it more than ones. I been using the term "hard cannon" to describe stuff that will not change (movies and TV shows), and "soft cannon" (stuff that's cannon until the shows or movies overrides it) for anything else. Why would anyone make argument about soft cannon?
That’s the exact cannon system that Star Trek settled on in the 1970s. I think those nerds might actually have some right to their smug sense of superiority to Star Wars fans
Star Wars had a multi-tiered canon system under Lucas. The films were primary canon. The novels and comics and role-playing games inhabited lower levels of canonicity and Lucas felt free for the primary film canon to contradict and override those works whenever and however he chose.
@@dngillikin There were some other things purportedly on the same "tier" of Canon as the films, like supplementary materials relating to them, or things that came directly from Lucas, but once that stuff got contradicted by TCW, it became apparent, if it wasn't already obvious, that the most widely accessed media in the film franchise (the films followed by the TV shows) were the only things that even mattered.
There's too much at stake for all these people. Once your identity becomes wrapped up in the media you consume and like, we can't have a rational discussion, no matter which side of the political spectrum you associate with.
Acolyte feels like a show that was designed to be released all at once and then disney chose to release it weekly. The start is a lot of setup and really slow in a way that opens it up for a lot of criticism in the early episodes.
I think Kenobi was meant to be a movie too before it got converted to serialized. Mandalorian is the only one where it’s a western fetch quest adventure type show which works episodically.
My guess is that Leslye Headland was writing based on past experience, mainly Russian Doll, which was released at at once on Netflix. This is just another case of a showrunner's vision not exactly gelling well with the episodic release schedule, with fans having to wait a week each time to get the next chapter of a story that's likely better when watched in close proximity to each other.
You keep saying the witches are Dathomir witches. That’s just not the text of the show. They’re a force witch coven but Dathomir Witches are a specific one of those.
As a star wars fan, I roll my eyes into the back of my head whenever I hear anybody talk about "the death of star wars" or anything similar. People have been saying that about literally everything star wars related for longer than I've been alive, going so far back as one of the most popular fan magazines of the 70s ceasing publication after declaring that The Empire Strikes Back was the death of star wars. And I don't even need to go into anything prequel related. Frankly, the Disney buyout was for the best, since a lot of the actual creative talent is pre-Disney alumni, so these projects would likely exist in more or less the same state they do now anyway, but now the endless fan vitriol that's always been there and probably always will be takes the form of moaning and groaning on social media over the mouse. The alternative would see all that rage being directed at one guy with a recognizable face and home address searchable on google. And in today's day and age, a lot of suspicious packages.
It´s funny to me that the fans are so enraged with the revelation that Osha and Mae were created by the force, because they say it ruins the Profecy of The Chosen One, talking like it was a legendary plot device respected by all the content made in legends, when it is just a retconned thing that Lucas invented out of nowhere for the prequels, because in the original trilogy there´s no mention or trace of that prohecy. And even if it was established in the original trilogy (spoiler, it is not), it is a very incoherent prophecy, cause in the canon of legends there are still jedis and siths out there in the galaxy even after Vader killed Palpatine and died.
Wasn't that done in The Acolyte for the very reason of setting up Darth Christ's virgin birth, not derailing it, as there was some stuff in Legends about it actually being done by Darth Sidious using the forbidden techniques rather than the Living Force literally coming down like God to do it?
When the witch said she "created them," I interpreted it as "I used a (possibly dark-side) force technique to become pregnant" not "they just appeared one day, I dunno."
I'm very tempted to share this video to a server I'm in that's full of SW fans who hated the Acolyte, despite not having seen it themselves and rely on friends who seen it, though they'll likely ban me for it.
Watch what you say about my guy Ki-Adi-Mundi! Wait… that’s right your talking about disney canon and not legends canon. Almost as if there are now two versions of Star Wars and we need to learn to live with it. Again. Because nerd shit and retcons go hand in hand.
It’s so hard trying to find a review of the acolyte that isn’t just a “culture war grift”. It makes it hard actually talking about the show’s actual story and content. I’m worried if people respond to more movies and tv shows. Every entertainment piece will just be a shouting match. 😔
Star Wars Explained is pretty good. He'll let you know what he likes or doesn't, but in a a way that you can just tell that he genuinely loves Star Wars, even its weirdest and worst moments.
Maybe not the kind of thing you are looking for, but I’ve been enjoying Alteori’s reviews. They aren’t scripted media criticism, it’s just her genuine reactions to things as they happen. It feels like watching a tv show or movie with a friend where they keep pausing to discuss what happened. You can see her Acolyte reactions start out pretty chill, and slowly descend into frustration and disbelief for the last 3 episodes. I also like her Doctor Who reviews. She always acknowledges parts that she has fun with and the parts that stick out to her as immersion-breaking.
“Most creators write from their own perspective. Who tells their stories when they’re not centered on themselves in some way.” You’d think the Critical Drinker would know this, being a published author and all.
Shad Brooks wrote a story where the main character is a mass-murdering child rapist, so for him to be using the idea of "write what you know" as a barb to attack literally anything is insanely sus.
You’re telling me Palpatine mightve lied about the power to revive to manipulate Annakin? The supreme Chancellor? He would never lie. Thats never been established at all. I remember that everybody clapped when he made the empire, that means hes trustworthy. Retroactively making him more deceitful is totally clashing with his role in his story
@@PlatinumAltaria They didn't, hardly any proof for it besides Vague accusations from Civilizations that already have a massive reason to dislike the Jedi prior.
I never saw what Chris Gore said about The Acolyte outside of Twitter before 42:55 ; Chris Gore blatantly lied about Episode 3 here (which he saw, via review screeners, and few other people did at that point). He claims they re-defined what the force is (wrong). "You are going to SEE 2 mothers conceive twins" (blatant lie)." Did they every ask him why he willfully overstated that crap? Or they just defending their friend and pretending he was being honest?
One of the most common misconceptions about Star Wars is that it's a sci-fi title. This is cosmic fantasy. LOTR, but make it space. Either way, bigotry in the fan base is a grossly obvious problem that bigots insist on denying despite being the only ones perpetuating it.
I've agreed with most of what you said so far, but I think they kinda have a point about the "force conception" thing at 39:43. I'm not really a Star Wars fan but I thought the whole idea was that the force itself created Anakin to balance the force and all that. Turning it into a technique or ritual (I will be honest I haven't watched the show) that a person could learn kinda does devalue Anakin's whole "chosen one" thing. I know Palpatine tells Anakin that Plagueis could do it, but also Palps was trying to manipulate Anakin so we don't really know how truthful he was being. Your defense at this part is kinda just "it can fit into the lore", however even if it is "lore accurate" I still think it harms the narrative of Anakin's story. Saying it's "lore accurate" isn't really a defense, just like as you say calling it "not lore accurate" isn't really a criticism.
@fisheyenomiko that isn't even the main problem people are complaining about like u guys make it out to b, its a bad show regardless.. but ya obv people are going to be upset with blatant discrimination and agenda pushing. And thats verifiable facts with evidence.
I'm wholly convinced the Star Wars Fandom will never be happy until Disney gives them money and a headpat for somehow being better at Star Wars than George Lucas...
The online Star Wars fanDUMB will never be happy being so focused on hate they miss the point of their favorite movies, however the fans IRL are pretty chill
They want a movie in which Luke Skywalker defeats an army of 1,000 super Darth Vader Clones. Nothing else will suffice. And NO WOMEN, NO "POLITICS" (that they disagree with) and NO NON-WHITES.
Too bad these stupid critics lessen the legitimate criticism about Disney Star Wars, which to me is mostly the oversaturation without any greater plan behind it other than extend the Disney+ catalog. Capitalism ruining art
Ive been on nearly every side of Star Wars debates and in all honesty, it taught me that this stuff doesnt matter. Its taught me that these things go through cycles, that its okay to like something everyone else hates and its okay to not like something everyone else does. There was a point I genuinely had to consider going cold-turkey from the franchise because the negativity I felt towards it was that bad, and it was honestly fuelled by several of the people you talked about in this video. Since then Ive came to appreciate Star Wars a lot more and understand some of the things its saying because of the discourse around it, how to let go of hate because youre so attached to something and accept it for what it is instead of being wound up and yelling to the void about it. How history and culture cycle and how to break that, how just because you think you know how everything works or how everything is going to go doesnt mean apathy is the right response, and to fight for what you believe in is important. Star Wars means a lot to me, and I take it as it comes. It pains me to see a lot of people miss even though i understand where theyre coming from, and watch the echo-chamber of the "fanbase" push them towards something the golden child films warned against. Acolyte is fine, and I actually am really hopeful that the artificial controversy around it is going to highlight how shallow the current environment is. I remember seeing people writing off this show when it was announced years ago and that anger based on pre-judgement to me is the main reason this show is as hated as it is. Its been put in this weird position of being on "the bad" side of Star Wars where the boogey-woman Kathleen Kennedy is pushing her agenda while the heroes are off to the side making the Mandalorian, but I bet if Dave Filoni was attached to it people would be praising it right now for exploring new aspects of Star Wars, citing how the creation of Osha and Mae ties into the lore about Palpatine creating Anakin. Its funny but the clip of Star Wars Theory showing Anakin telling Palpatine about the Witches was actually kinda funny and interesting in a way he didnt intend at all. Hes trying to make fun of it because "lol how dumb does this sound" (the same thing people did with the prequels prior to The Last Jedi) but its actually kind of interesting whether or not the twins and Anakin would have a sibling relationship, and its funny seeing Palpatine not know something for once (though its meant to be you agreeing with him how dumb it is). This is long winded cause your video got me thinking a lot about Star Wars and my relationship to it and its fanbase so Ill try sum up. All this is to say that really, I think the reaction more highlights peoples bias and bigotry more than anything else. You can see it in how the most accepted thing in recent Star Wars was the show with a macho man doing badass things that for all intents and purposes had a pretty razor thin story, made my two white guys. While I stand by Star Wars is for everyone and has always had a diverse fanbase, it is kind of the poster child for stories that appeal to young boys and men, Its the same vibe I get a from a lot of EU stories too, and given that was the only material people had for a long ass time its not surprising that an attempt at a status quo change (but not really) has people up in arms like it always has. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
I still need to read the third Earthsea book. People being mad about Ged being nerfed is hilarious. Did they read book 2 where he spent most of it trapped underground and needed help from the kingdom's princess (princess? It's been a while since I've read it) in order to escape?
The show is ultimately just very okay. The same weaknesses that impacted it in the beginning impacted it later on. I felt they didn't go far enough with the dark twist.
"The Force is a river from which many can drink, and the training of the Jedi is not the only cup which can catch it." This is a quote from Luke Skywalker in the 1996 novel "Tyrant's Test." The idea of non-Jedi and non-Sith Force monks and orders was already decades old before even The Force Awakens released. All the insistence from "fans" that Disney is betraying Star Wars canon by "redefining" how the Force works is patently absurd.
This "controversy" allowed me to clean up my Twitter. One mention of "lack of whites" and BLOCKED! One mention of too many women and BLOCKED! One day my Twitter feed will be a neat little nest of decent people with actual opinions instead of parroting talking points. One day...
May as well just leave Twitter at that point. That's what I did, I was miserable viewing hateful people spout hatred. My mental health improved considerably once I deleted my account, it will help you too.
This is the biggest reason why I haven't watched any of the new Star Wars shows. Because the discourse surrounding them is flat out radioactive. I miss the days when media criticism was about a work's merits than its "wokeness."
Im gonna go right out and say it. I'm 100% certain that the reception to The Acolyte would've been generally pretty positive if it was created by a white man and starred a white man as the protagonist. And if it wasn't that great, it would've been blamed on Kathleen Kennedy. The Acolyte haters will get mad at me for saying this, and while I don't think it's a perfect show by any means, it's very clear to me that a very large amount of people are trying to come up with ANYTHING negative to say about the show because they don't want to just admit that they dislike the creator, cast, and the things they've said. Learn to separate the art from the artist. Just because you like the artist doesn't automatically mean the art will be flawless and can do no wrong; and if you dislike the artist, that doesn't automatically mean the art is gonna be garbage with zero redeeming qualities.
Acolyte is good. Not perfect, but not really bad. The fact that it was hated initially because of its diverse cast proved to me that the backlash to this show is just nonsense.
@@MrAlcazarWrong. It's the diversity. They hated it before it was out when they saw the cast. That says enough about them. I mean, just look at their talking points. This is why they need to nitpick. Also, how can you like something if you convince that you hate something before you even see the first trailer. The writing is okay too. Not gonna win any award but that's okay. Not every show would and should be.
@@basicsimp8798 Wrong. It's just a generalization and lousy Strawman argument. No one ever complained about Lando being black or Leia being a strong woman. Also House of The Dragon has a diverse cast, and no one is complaining about that. Why? Because it's a well made show, and the Acolyte is not. Pointing out plot-holes and character inconsistencies is not "nitpicking. People criticized the show early because they knew it would be more of the same bad Disney Star wars, and they were right. Episodes 3 and 7 are proof.
@@MrAlcazar Yeah the same movies you would cry about if it came out today. The fact that amazing shows got barely amount of reviews compared to the Acolyte paints a clear agenda of the racist trolls. A lot of people are crying about House of Dragons too, that it's just girl power 😂 Acolyte is just a show with diverse characters. That's what they were upset about. That's it. At least be honest about your bigotry 😂 Episode 3 of the Acolyte is great. It shows how the Force is treated differently by other cultures, treating it like a Life Thread. It shows a lot of questions and biases from a character's point of view that was answered in a next episode. Actually, just try to close your AntiSJW mind and listen to this video.
A thing to realise that I feel like you are missing, is that alot of hardcore Star Wars fans are lore-nerds. I and my friends have for the longest time viewed Star Wars as one continous timeline similar to other franchises that we love like Warcraft, Warhammer and Magic The Gathering. Alot of these people are more attached to the Lore then the actual stories in the franchises. Alot of the good faith people who hate Disney Star Wars are people like that. I love The Last Jedi but I have a friend who hate the movie simply for using the wrong type of Bomber-ships in the beginning of the film and not the story that was portrayed. He hated Rouge One for similar reasons "If they can't do something as basic as sticking to the established tech-continuity they clearly don't respect me and the universe".
Yeah, lore nerds are not good faith critics. The continuous timeline has never existed, lore has always been shifting. Luke and Leia were not siblings in the New Hope, in ESB they are. This is even more true with franchises like Warhammer. "Alot of these people are more attached to the Lore then the actual stories in the franchises" is a huge selfown. "If they can't do something as basic as sticking to the established tech-continuity they clearly don't respect me and the universe" this so hugely unselfaware that it is almost funny.
@@MrEzuli Well fair enough. Lore nerds generally aren't Critics. They are consumers first. In that case what I then actually mean by them being "Good faith critics" is that they are unhappy about the direction of franchise out of genuine emotional investment in something they grew up loving. They also usually do not posses the Critical- and Literacy-skills to actually view Star Wars as piece of media and not a whatever it has become in their heads.
Can we also note that the still of the padawans only denotes the children's demographics by their separation from whiteness and masculinity? Not "black male" and "white female," but just black and female. Edit: I also want to say how deflated I feel about Star Wars Theory recently. I loved his content, theories, and discussions from the early teens, but it seemed like after he came back from the issues with his fan film he just became more and more negative and hate-driven (even though he rarely loses his cool, he does have a strong bias that at this point goes unchallenged in his content).
SWtheory is like the drake of the starwars fandom. He likes to insist he’s keeping his cool while at the same time making statements based on snap judgements and media illiteracy grounded in his own emotion. Keeping your cool is more than just not yelling, it’s also reasoning with logic. He’s also only as popular as he is because of his older better stuff.
I work for a call centre, our ques are the busiest when something breaks and we get the most customer engagements on our Facebook when there are service issues . Usually our adds showing products get 2-4 comments. But when our servers are down there are 200-400 comments about it. And this is a small bank in the small country of New Zealand. These were critiques, this is customer feedback that their systems is broken and not functioning as intended
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"This Project is the death of Star Wars!"
"Sheen, that's the fifth Death of Star Wars you've brought in This week."
Well we have the nielsen streaming numbers for the 1st two ep now and Its a 50% decline from Ashoka which itself was a 30% decline from mando s3. The annualization of star wars is killing the brand. Making poorly written stories is just acceralting the decline.
Blablabla who gives a shit about ratings? They have diddly to do about storytelling. I’m sure you had a show or movie that underperformed that you liked.
StarWarsTheory be like
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 Bob Iger is the one who really helms Star Wars and according to him:
“The pursuit of making money is the only reason to make movies. We have no obligation to make history. We have no obligation to make art... Our obligation is to make money, and to make money it may be necessary to make history, art or some significant statement."
This is the guy at the helm. If we want Star Wars to be more than just a cash grab we have to hold his contributions to the franchise to a high standard.
I can only list the critiques I listen to and that is Little Platoon and I have to say it is more comprehensive and nuanced than the criticisms this video seems to allow
Sheen? Is this a Jimmy neutron reference?
Star Wars Man's review of Andor is the most unintentionally funny indictment of just how bad media literacy has gotten in Star Wars discourse. "Sure, the writing, acting, directing, and cinematography are all great, but show sucks because there's bricks!"
The best part is that the show directly explains that brickmaking is deeply important to that world's culture. So much so, that when they die, they mix the ashes into mortar and make a brick.
Revisited it on 4K blu ray recently. It's so, so good!
Out of all of the criticisms of disney star wars you choose that one? Lol. Bad faith comment
The first one was filmed in Tunisia, obviously with real sets, and there was a lot of dusty mud walls. But now it should be the smooth CGI look of the prequels?
Also, "adobe architecture makes me feel like I'm in a totally different galaxy"
Star Wars biggest strength, and weakness, is that it’s a barely outlined universe. You can reasonably make almost any story in it. A lot of these people just don’t want to accept that it’s always been kind of a clusterfuck of tone, theme, and setting. Lot of weird books were written in the early 2000s for it lol
"I felt more tired watching these reviews than I did watching Lily Orchard" is probably one of the biggest insults I've ever heard. Hope you take a long rest.
at lest she gives spicy enough takes I get a laugh out of them
I prefer my laughs from people who aren't incestuous abusers
@@Feasco We need to separate the artist from the art. Lily is hilarious. For wrong reasons, but still.
Is this a channel supportive of Disney? They exist?
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@@angamaitesangahyando685 One doesn't need to be supportive of Disney or like the show to acknowledge that 99.1% of all those "reviews" are complete garbage.
Imagine telling someone in 1999 that the conehead Jedi was going to be a source of major controversy 25 years later
Nah man that's just selective rhetoric. Don't try to fool PPL. That's literally just one small aspect out of a plethora.
Plus, you'd expect consistency in a shared universe. It's not an unrealistic thing to ask for consistent narratives
2024 me: People are gonna be murderously mad about Star Wars for years on end.
1999 me, just out of the watching The Phantom Menace: Wait, the same Star Wars where Han Solo punches a giant otter and that Jar-Jar guy steps in "icky poo" and all the kids in the audience giggled?
2024 me: Those kids are gonna be the ones sending death threats to everyone.
1999 me: What's the most un-Star Wars thing there is in the future? I think I'll start liking that instead.
@@funkysam1345 I still dont see how retconning the age of a background jedi in the prequels means anything, like did everything pre-disney never had retcons?
@@alexknight81 oh no nothing. It probably means nothing much. Remember the time when they did the 8 yrs time jump in Spiderman homecoming. It's all about whether the creators care about the stories and characters. U see there's a deeper problem at play here. And let's be honest, this is probably the least worse problem of the rest
@@funkysam1345consistency is the exact opposite of what you’d expect from 50 year old media franchise made by multiple creatives and executives
If Star Wars fans hated Lucas' ideas on SW before and hate Disney's ideas on SW now. I don't expect them to like a fan's idea on SW when they officially work on the franchise.
@thezone5840ok! Now let’s get you to bed ❤
@thezone5840WTF are you trying to say?
@thezone5840 Ah yes, famously similar people, Nazis and Communists. And don't give me that "Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, horseshoe theory, 'muh totalitarianism,' 'Well it had Socialism in the name,' 100 billion gulags" garbage. The only way Communism and Nazism can even be remotely considered one and the same is if you're an unironic NazBol.
Thrawn trilogy just exist right there. Zahn was a fan
The prequels were not my favourite I don’t look at them with rose coloured glasses. But boy, looking at them through lens of the sequels they are a masterclass in coherent storytelling
"Our current landscape of criticism doesn't know what to do with okay stories"
I felt this so much while Willow was running on D+. It wasn't amazing but it certainlly wasn't terrible imo. It was campy fantasy fun like the original movie and I was pretty happy with it. The online fandom however, tore it to shreds for not being the 2nd coming of Lord of the Rings or something.
It is really the natrual end point of clickbait/hot take culture through soical media. Eveythign has to be THE BEST movie you've NEVER HEARD OF or it is THE WORST BETRAYAL EVER in film. Examining art in all of its nuances and sometimes it's completely menialness isn't the point. Getting people to look at you make noise is.
I liked Willow well enough, it was a fun fantasy adventure, but I didn't cancel my subscription after only two episodes like I did with The Acolyte. Willow doesn't have anywhere near the problems that The Acolyte has, but I skipped any internet reviews about Willow because I didn't need to be convinced it was good. I was simply bewildered that it got cancelled, just like I was bewildered at how the first two The Acolyte episodes were even allowed to be made. We are now 6 in, and it beggars belief that it is so bad for 180 million dollars spent, even with reshoots.
If the acolyte and willow falls into your definition of “okay” then you need to get your fucking head examined
I watched the original movie when it came out, and then re-watched it AGAIN right before the series launched on D+. The series is orders of magnitude better than the original film... actually redeems it in many ways. Disappointed that it wasn't going to return. Was it the best thing ever? No, of course not. Was it worth watching? for me? Absolutely.
I'd expect a whole hell of a lot more from a tv show that cost 156million.
I talked about The Acolyte rage with my sibling this Wednesday, when I noticed, thanks to your stream, that every rage farm review of The Acolyte, even the one from a Star Wars Lore Guy, sort of, kind of, self told that they weren't as into Star Wars as they claimed.
Because if there is one thing in the expanded universe of Star wars that is an established thing is: The Force exist in countless cultures in the galaxy, all under different names and different intepritations.
The Thread is not special.
It is just the latest ineptritation of the force under a new name under a new culture.
That's it.
It's Star wars Expanded Universe Understanding 101.
The Force exist under countless names and in countless forms.
Them not understanding or raging about The Thread is a massive self tell.
Which is a shame that even a star wars super nerd was failed to acknowledge that.
What's incredibly ironic is that people got so mad that Osha and Mae were seemingly conceived through the force via the witches using some dark-sided force magic and that it "broke canon" when in actuality, that event and the ones that followed as a result of it are way more in line with Star Wars and Lucas' idea of the force than people realize. They just won't acknowledge it because they themselves don't understand how the force works.
People keep thinking that the force is like a superpower and that there can be balance between light and dark, which is incorrect. The force is a mystical energy that is in every living thing and it controls everything that happens in the universe. All events are dictated through the will of the force. Furthermore, the dark side is the corruption of the balance of the force. There can be no balance with the dark side since it's inherently corrupting and will make you evil the more you tap into it. However, what is important to note is that since the dark side is the corruption of the natural balance of the force, the force will always adjust itself to bring the balance back, since that is it's natural state and what should happen. This is why it's incredibly intentional in Revenge of the Sith that at the same time Anakin becomes Vader, Luke and Leia are born, since they are the light that will defeat the dark and help bring balance back to the force. The force will always find a way to balance itself out. This is what Lucas himself said about the force and how it works.
Now, going back to the Acolyte, it's clear that Mother Aniseya used some dark-sided force magic to create Osha and Mae. Now, as established within the universe, this is inherently bad, since the dark side is the corruption of the balance of the force. However, since the force is supposed to be balanced, it will always even itself out, and we directly see that play out in the episode with the Jedi coming to Brendok. The Jedi being there and giving Osha the option to not join the coven kicked off all the events that lead to the deaths of all the witches, and the Jedi wouldn't have been there in the first place had Osha and Mae not been there, and they were only there because they were created through dark-side force magic by the witches themselves. In essence, the coven caused their own destruction because they messed with the dark-side, which is incredibly true to the mythos of the force and Star Wars itself. This is why it's crazy when people say that it "ruins the lore" when it actually is a great example of directly following the rules of the force that Lucas himself established.
It's just a conservative grievance industrial complex, that looks into all forms of nerd media for chances to try to draw people into the pipeline. Saw something similar at play in Warhammer, a few months back, with the introduction of femme-identifying Custodes as an explicit lore element.
Some fans were mildly annoyed, probably partially for misogynist reasons, and partially for Thermian reasons, but the only people who really made hay of it obviously didn't have any interest in the actual universe, because if they did, they'd know that GW retcons stuff every day, and twice on Tuesdays, and at least this gave more opportunities for varied lore for the gold-armored super warriors, and some neat kitbashing and fan art opportunities.
Just like it’s a shame the show sucks and nobodies watching it. That’s it. That’s the reason. It sucks.
@@aidanpfeifer5247 What's incredibly ironic is how misinformed the OP is. Every Star Wars fan/lore expert I listened to who covered the topic, not only exclaimed what this person just discovered but also cited that they aren't using the Force but Magic. The other issue you are going on about is the incessant need to break canon by inserting their own fanfic character at the front of the line to then claim they were the 1st to do it.
A significant arc of the High Republic was conflict derived from other force cults disagreeing with how the Jedi were running things (and the Nihil exploiting this for their own gain). Even if it didn’t match the EU it was already an established thing in the era it’s supposed to be portraying.
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"The use of pronouns in live action Disney Star Wars!"
I will never stop being amused that the anti-woke media grifter landscape has made such a big deal about pronouns that a bunch of them have lost track of the fact that that's the actual term for a common part of speech. Technically speaking, Star Wars has been using pronouns since 1977!
There is propably a meme edit somewhere on RUclips which is just the entire original trilogy but all the pronouns are removed from dialogue and the text crawls.
I think a really long time ago, I wrote a short story where I specifically made a point not to use any pronouns in part as a simple way to make it so there's never any question as to who's doing or saying something, and in part because the teacher back in I want to say middle school presented something like that as a challenge. It was annoying to write and to read, unsurprisingly.
You know that the use of "new" pronouns is the problem.
@@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845 The singular they/them is almost as old as modern English.
@@cousinted Maybe a singular group not a single individual.
The Acolyte is not what I would consider good Star Wars and is definitely not a good TV show. It's not the worst thing ever, tho, just not very good.
Most of those "critics" are more interested in the perceived political messages that they see and their anti-woke agenda rather than actually discussing what is good for Star Wars.
Genuine question, have you watched a single video or stream of theirs at all beyond the clips this guy has shown you?
ruclips.net/video/Rvxk_k1A8Uo/видео.htmlfeature=shared
1:19:01 Because they don't see it as a "review." It's a sermon. Their affirmation of beliefs. Nothing more nothing less.
I love the rewriting of history going on. How people act like they've always supported George's vision or legends but a lot of these people were licking the shoes of Red Letter Media and such hating on the prequels... and when he changed the movies like who shot first... Or the meme of "stormtroopers can't aim" literally never showing up in the movies except the scenes where they literally tell you it was on purpose for a trap...
Also: being confused about the gender of an alien is completely normal and honestly should be expected. Sexual dimorphism where it's easily noticeable like in Humans is actually really rare in other animals. Like, you have to get a glimpse of the bits for most animals on Earth and even some that in common knowledge are, aren't that obvious. Bovines and cervines are in the layman zeitgeist, males have hornes and females don't... but this isn't true actually. Female deer can have antlers and most cows are born with horns but they're removed by ranchers. Some female lions grow manes. So in space a lot of animals will probably not have much distinction between their sexes and genders.
@@C4MG1RL And this is why i use the pronoun "it".
BINGO. All these fans talk about Lucas like Livia Soprano talked about her late husband Johnny Boy only AFTER he died: "Oh, that man was a saint, he was a saint!"
@@C4MG1RL YEAH THAT WAS LIKE.... That fucked me up so bad. I heard pronoun complaint, expected something to do with the trans background character, no. Nope. Not that. It was the alien. In a context that wouldn't have been a 'pronoun' discussion had it happened in any other period of time. Somehow people culture warred 'what is THAT? Is that a person??' alien culture shock into 'teh wokes'
literally. the half-life of Star Wars hate is so fucking short. The number of people who crowed at Ahmed Best's or Hayden Christensen's return despite being many of the same people who bullied them out of the franchise in the first place. People going back and saying the prequels were good actually. I guaran-fucking-tee once the new Rey film comes out people will start bitching about how terrible and "woke" it is and longing for the good old days of The Rise of Skywalker
37:50 Lee Jung-Jae recently learned English for this role? I didn’t even know that, that’s impressive that he got so good at English in a relatively short time. The fact that the shit heels in nerdrotic were making fun of his accent is stupid because those wankers are definitely incapable of picking up a second language in that time frame as well as Lee did.
DUDE!!!! THIS VIDEO IS ENTIRELY PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEGATIVE REVIEWS / COMPLAINTS ARE LITERALLY LEFT BY PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIKE SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE DELUSION OF UNEQUAL DISTRIBUTION IN NEGATIVE REVIEWS OF DIFFERENT SHOWS BEING ATTRIBUTABLE TO BIAS / REVIEW BOMBING IS FACTUALLY WRONG AND DELUSIONAL!!!!!!!!!! PEOPLE ARE MUCK MORE LIKELY TO LEAVE NEGATIVE REVIEWS THAN POSITIVE REVIEWS!!!!!!!!! THAT IS A FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE DELUSION THAT MORE SEASONS / TOTAL NUMBER OF EPISODES, SOMEHOW DICTATE THE TOTAL / RELATIVE NUMBER OF NEGATIVE NUMBER OF REVIEWS LEFT BY AN AUDIENCE IS DELUSIONAL!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D
Also, his performance is the strongest in the show (imo). Really talented dude, it’s really sad seeing those people make fun of his accent
imagine video tapping yourself decapitating baby yoda and not thinking this makes me look like a psychopath.
Oh no, they retconned a minor side character's age... ...Anyway...
They had to actively retcon the fact that Han Solo didn't know about the galaxy wide conflict that were the Clone Wars. Imagine a guy asking: "What's WWII?" That's the scale of Han Solo's ignorance.
Lucas wanted to establish a romance between Luke and Leia, but made them siblings in the next movie.
You simply can not build such a massive world like Star Wars without actively retconning it as you go on.
Han is an atheist, that doesn't mean he never heard of the Clone Wars. What a stupid interpretation. Numbers are a lot more concrete than vague statements.
@@Hello-bi1pmAnd yet your reply is a vague statement that lacks numbers. Interesting…
If you don’t care that’s fine, if others do that’s fine. Like this poster said; you do you… or are ya’ll only saying that when it’s convenient for you?
@sptony2718 I think the bigger problem is how they miss the fact that the Force's influence can warp people depending on what they follow. Those that follow the Dark Side often get dragged down by negative emotions and get corrupted mind, body and soul. Those that go too far into the Light Side get detached from their emotions and fail to truly relate to people around them, leaving them vulnerable to missing the obvious signs of a Sith's corrupting influence. Can they change? Sure, we have seen it happen both ways, but this is something that would be way more interesting than whatever they are going for here.
@@bannedmann4469a comment about “retcons have been here since day two” isn’t stopping anyone from “doing them” by being mad about retcons, it’s providing them added information that they’re maybe ignoring because charismatic outrage merchants are financially incentivized to drive culture war bullshit based on something as inconsequential as a birthdate changing. Ki Adi Mundi is no one’s favorite Jedi. His birthday carries no significance and was never mentioned outside of extended universe material that *was never real canon* written by dozens of different writers who never talked with each other and that, taken as a whole, contradicted itself (and the films) plenty. They were always only fan fiction, not carefully crafted with painstaking reference and reverence to a shared production bible. It don’t matter. None of this matters. Star Wars shitting up established facts is a time honored tradition. But you do you.
Small correction, the witches in the acolyte are not related to the dathomirian witches nor the nightsisters. This has been confirmed behind the scenes. Their just a other witch clan that just exist in the universe like the other millions of different force orders established both in canon and legends. Love the video, sorry my inner star wars had to come up lol, keep up the good work
they are also not by Anderson, but added by the late Dave Wolverton/Farland.
I really wish the witches got more screen time I don't feel like we were given enough time with them to understand them. I get that might be the point given our protagonist's PoV but I was left more confused by them than anything.
@DokturProfesur 100% the witches don't break any established ideas on the force in star wars. The biggest breaking of how the force works are the people who try to cling to the idea of balancing the force and the grey jedi.
It's weird to have a sect of witches other than the Daphmiri witches because they've been the only witches in any of the shows for years now. They definitely should have made it more clear that they were unrelated.
@AlmightyDoubleHelix I don't think so, the witches you see in the show are one but many sects of dathomiri witches.
being a new fan of Star Wars really sucks cause every time i try to find someone to talk to about it, i run into these guys who insist that i'm enjoying SW in the wrong way. sci-fi and fantasy are limitless genres; why force everyone into a very narrow understanding of it all?
Are they saying you're enjoying it wrong, or are they saying you are understanding it wrong? You seem to have veered in between the two
@@zufalllx i don't think the outpouring of racism directed at Finn and Rose's actors was "understanding it wrong," my friend
just go to the star wars subreddit they seem to enjoy all this stuff.
@@birchwwolf
You're describing a false reality. There was no outpouring of racism towards Kelly Marie Tran or John Boyega.
Tran's agents and others claimed that, but there isn't a single receipt to corroborate that story.
Yeah, there was racism towards Finn... from China.
1:11:20 I don't know why but I get super upset whenever someone destroys a plushie. Like a young child could have gotten it and loved it for years :(
Yeah that bugged me too.
I feel people don't realize the idea of canon is a fluid concept; they seem to want a canon, to believe the author is literally a god that they can follow and thus be validated by it. As you showed, this is an endeavor destined to fail, since the authors themselves know, through experience, that canon isn't that serious. I'm a fan of Touhou and when the the author went to a con in the US, someone asked him about the canon and he was genuinely confused.
I'm a casual fan of Touhou and most of what I know about the setting and characters was determined by fan interpretations. I agree, it's not something that tries to adhere so strictly to a set of rules.
If u want PPL to be invested in a shared universe and connected stories it's not at all an unrealistic thing to expect. The problem is, Star wars has no forward looking plan. So if u think u can't write a cohesive story, then might as well leave it
They wanted to fire their god Lucas out of a cannon back when the Prequels dropped.
It also can be very restrictive. Our real world's "canon" changes all the time. We get new information that recontextualizes knowledge that was canon before.
Why can't some people think the same thing could happen in media?
The word canon comes from religion, you have the canonical texts, and the apocrypha. Maybe this tells on the cult like mindset of some fans. Religious canon cannot be revised, since it is supposed to represent a deeper truth than even reality (science revises theories about material world all the time, even history gets reassessed with new info and viewpoints) Still, Biblical canon isn't internally consistent either - mythologies even more, there is often several versions of the origin of a certain Greek gods for example, and in history some events aren't recorded and people have differing views what took place, so it's irrational to want a fictional canon to be immaculate. Understandable, if it is a religious faith based on it.
Yeah, the comic book thing is a great point because as DC/Marvel fan sh*t is getting retconned all of the time and we just accept it.
Culture warriors are getting really desperate for things to be mad about and it's honestly getting really annoying 😅
Culture warriors have done this for decades. Back in the 80s, one Religious Right leaders said that kids would turn gay if they watched Teletubbies.
I'm not exaggerating.
@@TheVeritas1 As someone who grew up Mormon and then left I definitely believe you lol. Some of the things I've seen people become morally indignant about have been unbelievably silly
@@ABenAbides Many of the SW grifters are part of the cultish religious denominations, so its not that hard to believe that they would spread their religious zealotry onto geek culture.
@@Bionickpunk That explains why I find them to be so insufferable lol
@TheVeritas1: Nice trick for the Religious Right to condemn the Teletubbies back in the 80's when they weren't created until the very late nineties, going on the air in 1998.
Jerry Falwell accused Tinky Winky of encouraging homosexuality in 1999, the same year The Phantom Menace was released.
Ki Adi Mundi's age is also funny because it's not like it was even established in an actual STORY. It was just a factoid dropped in one of those "Visual Dictionary" things that are NOTORIOUS for having the creators just making shit up all the damn time. Treating one of those like some kind of Holy Text is pure comedy.
And on your point with Mae dipping out on her revenge quest once she became aware that Osha was alive... Isn't that literally what happened with Luke when he found out Vader was Anakin? Like, it's literally why Luke fails the first Cave Trial because he's so hellbent on messing Vader up. He goes into that fight with the intent to, yes, save his friends, but also to kill the hell out of Vader. Then by RotJ, he's got this almost Quixotic quest to SAVE Vader and turn him back to the light. So why can't a dark sider force user do the same?
This,
It was established in a Legends comic where Ki-Adi-Mundi has a harem
@@Hello-bi1pm Incorrect! That only established that he was old and had a special dispensation from the Jedi council to appear by remote so he could fuck bitches since his species was in peril of extinction.
It did not ESTABLIISH anything about his age.
If you read up on the Planet factoids in those visual dictionaries, you will see that none of the writers know basic science.
@@Bionickpunkgood thing Star Wars is science fantasy and not science fiction
Something I've had in mind for a while was the realization, going back to your last point, that Star Wars fans are, on the whole, very entitled. And why shouldn't they be. Their franchise transformed the movie industry, and science-fiction in general, and the OT are still considered some of the greatest movies in American and World cinema. No franchise of this scale is quite like this, to have started with a bar set so high that there is quite literally nowhere to go but down.
And nowadays, some fans will argue that it never went downhill, at least until George Lucas sold his franchise to the Disney overlords. Despite the fact that no long-lasting sci-fi or fantasy franchise has ever been consistently excellent (if anyone can think of one I'd be glad to hear), some fans will claim that everything George Lucas touched turned into gold.
The thing about Science-Fiction, however, is that it is middling at best. No science-fiction (or fantasy) that I can think of is absolutely amazing all of the time. Certainly not from the get-go. I am a huge fan of Doctor Who and Star Trek as well as Star Wars. God knows neither of the two former franchises began at their absolute best. Some will still argue that they did, but in reality more universally-recognized great moments happened years or even decades later. Even in fantasy, on the big screen at least both LOTR and GOT have had trouble being adapted. So did Dune. Hell, so did Super Mario. Movies are a different beast than literature, and even consistently great book series have found it difficult on the big screen.
Star Wars is different, now. Fans are increasingly considering the prequels, and especially Revenge of the Sith, to be the best films, even sometimes eclipsing the OT. Few professional critics, i think, would genuinely think that, but even so the consensus is changing in the fanbase. Every new project has to be the best thing ever. Like you said, it can't be middling. It can't be inconsistent, or experimental. It can't copy the things that were perfect, either, lest it be too unoriginal. It can't even be science-fiction, because it has to be consistently perfect. Star Wars fans don't know when they've had it good.
Only problem is “why shouldn’t they be” because the answer is that they for the most part are not very young children
@@FloofMother But what I'm getting at is that people in general like to be a part of something. If they feel like they are part of something special, they feel all the more special too. You don't need to be a young child to experience this... all humans are like this. The key is to try to remain self-aware, a critical skill that so many of these armchair analysts completely lack.
I disagree that scifi is middling at best-- good scifi asks questions about humanity and the progress we're making. Frankenstein, The Island of Dr Moreau, The Handmaid's Tale, The Left Hand of Darkness, Fahrenheit 451, 1984, I could go on. Star Wars isn't good scifi because it's focusing more on entertainment and less on the questions asked. Good science fiction isn't about grand space battles or blip bloop robots, but about humanity and its relation to science. It doesn't ask "what is the metric of the Force" but "what questions about humanity does this scientific advancement ask and what are the possible answers."
@@cinemagoose I can agree to that, at least. I don't think humans are very good at planning, and that's why complaining about minute details is kinda pointless. I'm an artist and they always tell you worry about the big shapes over the fine details. If the big shapes are right, the details don't matter as much.
@@cinemagoose I'm primarily into books, which I find are far easier to enjoy as independent works. I don't really write books myself, but I would love to build up to that some day. What I love about stories is what you said-- emotional and thematic pieces. What does the work Say matters more to me than what the work Does. It's why Toni Morrison is one of my favorite authors.
These grifters crying about perverting Lucas's vision is such bs, After the prequals everyone was shitting on Lucas's vision.
Who are “theses”?
@@Knabtube626 It's obviously a spelling mistake.
And Lucas is a straight white male.
@@willfilmon182 Um, why does that matter? We're talking about a film series, not anything to do with race, sex, or sexuality.
@Treble453 Apparently critical drinker was super concerned about it.
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This is me. I used to watch a lot of youtubers like The Critical Drinker, Nerdrotic, Disparu, and Mauler and it became exhausting. I get having film criticism but when these people just hate, hate, and hate even more it becomes very unfun. The fact that there is a 6 hour review on Doctor Strange 2 which is almost 3 times longer than the actual film, you need to realize what the problem is
Hopefully you find your way to better analysis channels in future!
I know one channel i think is pretty decent at criticism.
@@PlatinumAltaria yeah I’ve moved on to watch RUclipsrs like Schafrillas Production, Friendly Space Ninja, and Cosmonaut Variety Hour. Their videos are far more enjoyable
You ain't lived until you watched a 12 hour treatise on Episode 1 and its expanded media (it's actually not trashing episode 1 which is great)
Some whataboutism but you seem to criticizing, and I even sense some hate for, these critics. Haven't seen a Drinker video for about a month but the last one I saw came from a part of his channel called The Drinker Recommends, give that part of his channel a try.
Entertainment critics have been around for quite a while, this channel claims to do critiques There is more criticism because modern entertainment has gotten worse. IPs that be should like being allowed to print money have been given bad writers and directors starting maybe a few years before the 2020s If we don't complain and try to guide studios to what the biggest share of the audience wants then they're will keep losing box office, rating, streaming and merch sales to the point where we'll get very few/no shows and movies.
Ah come on the holiday special and the Ewoks show isn’t canon? This is bullshit
Don't forget about Ewok movies and Droids show
Bring back Charal!
Holiday Special is bad but has more heart and certainly is more Star Wars than acolyte.
The LEGO Holiday Special is canon apparently.
@@willfilmon182Bro, Leslye is a Star Wars nerd, she definitely put heart into that show.
Also, by your own standards, Star Wars should hsve the father of a beloved character watching... I am not finishing that sentence, but you get the giest of it.
Being a Star Wars fan nowadays is exhausting with how often people are willing to misrepresent the series in the false name of 'criticism'. Most of those people aren't engaging with the show for what it is, but what they want it to be and are disappointing themselves when they've set themselves up for failure.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but honestly what I see is the right doing what they always accuse the left of. Infiltrating media and manufacturing outrage so they can create a platform to spread their beliefs.
Star War fans wouldn't survive a single day with the canon of Doctor Who or it's fandom
@@juliocesar899 You need a radiation suit and led lined underwear dealing with some of those guys.
@@witecatj6007 Only in DW you can have extensive and heated debates about even if your favorite version of the fricking main character it's actually good, or even if the novels or audio-dramas are reliable canon source, or even if the old show still completely canon even before the Timeless Child
Doctor Who doesn't even have a canon, that's how wild it is. A writer will straight up say "no lol that didn't happen" and everyone just moves on.
@@PlatinumAltaria The Doctor was half human( something that they themselves said) until the 2005 revival just said "Fuck you Mcgann" or when the Doctor was the reincarnation of the third founder of Time Lord Society, and them every EU writer just develop amnesia on the topic
Star Wars fans: "Oh my god, they changed the age of a minor character basically known for saying a funny line! This is sacrilege!"
SpongeBob fans: "Yes, the Krabby Patty secret formula was discovered like, 10 different ways, the world has ended and inexplicably come back several times, there are 892 different futures that exist, the king of the sea is only sometimes also a god and sometimes they're separate entities entirely and he exists in multiple forms, what else is new?"
I never considered Ki-Adi Mundi as a thematic representation of the failures of the Jedi, but that makes so much sense in retrospect.
Star Wars 'fans' are fucking exhausting.
I pay to subscribe to Disney + and would hope for more than the teenage fan fiction show that I am getting for my money. You don’t need to be a hardened SW fan to cringe at The Acolyte on so many levels - inconsistency with its storytelling context is just the icing on the cake.
@@jamess7181 Then stop subscribing or at least don't watch The Acolyte. You don't have to consume media you dislike just because it carries a brand you have nostalgia for.
@jamess7181 if someone is holding a gun to your head and making you watch the Acolyte, call the police.
Otherwise you can just not watch it and move on. Like a normal person might do. Breathe. Touch grass. Find a story that resonates with you
@@Alkeerosfind a story that resonates with him? Like idk star wars probably did before it got ruined. Imagine telling a star wars fan not to watch Star wars. We r passionate about it and it means a lot to many of us so even when it's bad we r gonna watch and complain about how they r ruining something great. Whats wrong with that?
@jacobjackson2787 like fire in space which happened in star wars countless times before. Also a series that was already ruined like 12 times before lol.
Another thing about legends being "apolitical" being silly. People really like to trash on or joke about the whole "superweapon of the week" thing, but those stories were often very explicitly and obviously against the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Like, it's really obvious in the case of something like the Jedi Academy trilogy.
Yeah a lot of stuff just has people not notice the political parts - like some people claiming Metal Gear isn’t political
I feel like it makes it impossible to actually properly discuss issues with Star Wars when it comes to writing because it immediately turns into an excuse for the opposition to be a bigot. Star Wars isn’t perfect and it never was but I feel like if I ever acknowledge fault I’ll be subject to a tirade and if I ever point out that some of the things that where found to be an issue in newer media can also be found in older Star Wars they immediately becomes defensive and I begin receiving ad hominem attacks.
Most Star Wars Fans are Stormtroopers anyway.
I think it comes down to lack of nuance. The internet as a whole doesn't really do "this thing was okay!" Or "this thing is good but not great!"
I agree, the Disney Trilogy is rough. I think from a story telling perspective 9 is the least coherent of the 9 main movies. Maybe of all of them (I never watched Solo). But I don't think pronouns or a woman jedi or Luke not being perfect are what ruined it. Genuinely good stories/movies could be made about either broad path for Luke. But these movies didn't have a lot of time to develop it.
Bro I see everyone logically explaining flaws in the writing in this show and people that defend it in response just say "stop watching" or "u hate queers" or "ur racist" and can never explain what makes the show good like we can explain what makes it bad. Sol saw children wandering in a forest sees their mother get onto them for it and assumes they r in danger.. complete nonsense, but I'ma bigot for saying that? And I could go on and on listing contrived lazy nonsense from this show as I have many times
@@Alkeeros i think rey being a woman and finn being black were factors of its faults, but not because they exist as such. rather, because of misogyny and racism, Rey was reduced to a plot point and Finn was removed entirely from the narrative. I don't think it would have happened if either were cis white men, and that bothers me.
At the same time, I also think criticizing the flaws in star wars is also just exhausting because we know it's bad. Like at a certain point maybe we should spend our energy talking about actually good scifi, or at least scifi that says more than "hero good, villain bad but can become good."
Have you tried not making racist or sexist points? That would probably help as every single accusation I have seen comes because people are being pretty openly racist and sexist or pretending that the racist and sexist people do not exist.
Everytime I hear critical drinker talk it sounds like he’s in incredible pain and talking through a clenched jaw
You wouldn’t be in great pain watching all the trash media released?
@@bannedmann4469 Sounds like the guy needs to back to writing his shitty Mary Sue middle aged dad tacticool adventure novels and give this whole "engaging with modern media" thing a rest then if it's that hurtful to him. Why not do what you love instead of mire in what you hate? Life's too short to be Will Jordan.
@@ninegearcrow I Coincidentally watched a video yesterday from James Tullos ("The Critical Drinker's Book is a Boring Dumpster Fire") where he speculates that "CD" is raking in something near to $800K a year with his RUclips grifting as well as his other connections to Patreon and the Daily Wire. There's a very good a lucrative reason to be continually angry and offended. The "CD" is a character who makes a lot of money, and he's not about to give that up. Why would he?
That's a lot of alcohol! 🥃
@NatsuMatto speculates lol you and he are different side of the same coin lol
I genuinely can't comprehend the obsession with Star Wars and upholding the sanctity of its canon, it's the same religious zeal that creates the theological schisms we see in real world denominations that reject/accept varying interpretations of texts.
Critics don't criticize Star Wars, they preach and glamorize the vision of The Creator and how everyone else fails to interpret it the way they see fit.
There's a satirical video on how bad Earth's worldbuilding is, which is meant to demonstrate how it's ridiculous to complain about worldbuilding in fiction to begin with.
Star Wars is a real mythology built from the ground up by George to distill the values of all major world religions into one simple thing (via Campbell). What happens when religious texts don't agree?
Meanwhile this franchise was started by a guy copying his favorite films and was a metaphor for Vietcong fighting Nazis.
It's even wired that pre-disney there was no such thing as a consitent canon, it was a higharchy teir that kept changing all the damn time. As much as people are upset over the EU getting the boot from canon status I more personally think it was the best decison becaus enow like it or not we have a clearly defined canon
"I genuinely can't comprehend the obsession with Star Wars and upholding the sanctity of its canon"
If a work of fiction cannot adhere to its own canon, then why bother get invested?
Actually fires in space can occur scientifically. SEEKER and WIRED have 2 seperate video nearly 10 years ago explaining the science of fires in space
They sure as shit didn't look like a bonfire. No oxygen in space, remember?
@@harlannguyen4048
1. In the OT and especially the prequels "bonfire" flames are shown to exist. There is no sound in space but in star wars we allow it due to suspension of disbelief just like we accept the death star or Jedi exist alongside aliens like jar jar and jabba
2. You're kinda right. There is oxygen molecules in space. It's just there is no high oxygen ozone in space. So very little oxygen to work with to sustain fires. But according to NASA fires in space burn at lower temperatures and last actually longer in space for some reason maybe because fires are also more easily to be started from spontaneous combustion due to those lower temperatures oddly enough. But fires in space look more like the sun, a ball of fire. Not bonfire 🔥 style. Due to gravity on earth flames are created like that as hot air rises. But coming from their source briefly yes fires bonfire style can occur. The more you know 🌠
@@harlannguyen4048Then why doesn’t it matter when there is fire in space in the OT?
Pretty sure it doesn’t look quite like that in space, but I’m also pretty sure hyperspace and the force don’t exist and sound doesn’t travel in space so I’m not sure why you’d get hung up on realism now.
@@harlannguyen4048 "In my world, there is air in space when i want it" - George Lucas
There is definitely a culture of if something is not the best thing Ive seen then its the worst, everything is objectively 100% good or bad
And then you have the implication. The agenda where they are required to hate Disney, or James Gunn, or M&Ms, potato head, bud light or whatever it is this week
I wish people would realize that quality of writing has declined because studios and networks are making everyone crunch to cram out as much new content as possible.
I’m old enough to remember when sequels came out every 4-6 years.
Writers have, since the dawn of time, incorporated morals into their stories. Look at fairy tales for Christ’s sake.
Because these people are barely given enough time to write a first draft they have to sacrifice subtlety and creative ways to convey lessons/morals in favor of a not so subtle approach.
This is a late stage capitalism problem.
The birth thing is wild to me because I remember a major criticism of the prequels was about treating Vader like Jesus. People hated the divine birth.
It goes into my theory that if a Star Wars thing is 15 years old it become unassailable gold no matter how good/bad it is. I do think the sequels will have a harder time proving that theory given how politicized their existence became, especially after ep 8.
We saw it all the time. People hated the prequels and now fans think ep 6 is one of the best films-despite how boring it is. Clone Wars wasn’t super beloved. People hated Ashoka and now everyone loves her and that mid cartoon show.
You also have to keep in mind that the people complaining now are different people. Many of them grew up with the prequels as a core part of what Star Wars is, and so the things that those who grew up with the OT complained about about the prequels were just accepted and lumped in.
@@Jallorn
Great point. The OT diehards were the harshest critics of Vader's virgin birth while the concept was accepted by kids (now adults) who grew up watching the Prequel Trilogy.
I think given how at first the Original Trilogy era content was hated is now accepted in the wider IP makes me think that despite all this anger for the Disney era content will eventually also become accepted. This is even more so when if you look over the haters the avrage age is around 30 years old or there abouts. Yeah by the 2040's or 2050's we will be in a new era where it's the Gen Alpha (the current child generation whose Star Wars is the Disney Era.) are now the adults in charge the Disney Era will become accepted and at worst whatever new Star Wars then will be what gets shit on
@@ConnorLonergan
Anthony posted a great video essay, "Star Wars Will Never Be as Good as You Remember," on how fandom attitudes change over time.
@@ConnorLonergan that’s why I said “15 years” that’s essentially a new generation. But the Disney era may be differently received because of how politicized it was.
The only serious criticism I have is Mae's changing motivation:
At the start of the series she is convinced her entire family is dead and the four jedi are responsible so she wants revenge, sounds reasonable. She kills the first two jedi because she is convinced.
At the end of episode 2 she realizes her sister is still alive so during episodes 4 and 5 she starts doubting her conviction until she decides to turn herself in to the jedi just to be with her sister. Ok, I can buy that change of heart.
At the end of episode 5 she confronts Osha and tries to convince her of running away together. It makes sense that she abandons her previous plan of turning herself in given the chaos of the current situation. Up until this point I can follow clearly Mae's evolution.
To me this is the point where she loses me. When she wins the fight agains Osha, instead of taking her and trying to run away, or just running away on her own since she is surrounded by enemies, she takes her sister's place, both to escape her former master who wants to kill her, and to enact her revenge against Sol which she apparently didn't want to continue. Not only that but she leaves her sister to be killed by her former master or one of the monsters in Khofar. Mae does a total 180 from only caring about reuniting with her sister to abandon her to die in order to pursue a path of vengeance she no longer believed in.
This is to me the worst written moment of the show. And we see so little of Mae and her internal thoughts during the next two episodes, that 2 weeks later I still can't understand why she did that.
All 3 of the Ki Adi fans are gonna be so mad when Mauler's next 4 hour video comes out at 3AM tomorrow
Good old Ki-Adi Mundi, the guy I completely forget about even existing until I see another "what about the droid attack on the Wookies?" meme and I got "oh yeah, that guy".
At least they don't make up lies about him being a sociopath
I think Jedienclave had the best response when they said, calm your tater tots the Ki Adi Mundi thing is not a big deal.
It’s really frustrating because it all could have been avoided if they just made it a different guy of the same species, would that have been so hard?
MauLer is proof that sometimes taking hours to make a point means that you’re just not rhetorically gifted rather than the point being at all complex
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That's a common criticism of the Jedi many people make, but they don't seem to realize that the Jedi _ask_ the children's parents to take them, they don't just kidnap them. In fact, it's better that they take him, because an undisciplined Force User would become a deadly Sith. It's not joining a cult, like many people try and paint it, but it's more like going to school. After all, how do you wanna do anything in life if you don't know how to properly structure your sentences, use proper grammar and know basic math? Except instead of teaching you math, the Jedi teach you how not to destroy everything with your mind.
That, and I'm like, 90% sure there's an interview somewhere that George Lucas says that the Prequel Jedi are supposed to be them at their prime and not complacent. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure George doesn't have the same view of the Prequel Jedi as many fans do.
The major complaints and possible threats such as the glup shitto DoB change on a fandom Wikia is something you expect from Sonic fans in regards to Sonics green eyes and the blue arms.
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alright I was wrong, at least sonic fans in general mocked and joked at the people who made those outrageous statements.
the most annoying part is the Star Wars fandom by-and-large brought this on themselves by constantly baying for fanservice. He wouldn't have appeared in the show at all if people hadn't been constantly begging Disney for a Boba Fett show and an Obi-Wan show and a Han Solo show and a droideka show and a Watto show
I enjoy vicariously hate watching media I'd never consume through other people's RUclips reviews (example: Rebel Moon criticism that points out all the filmmaking and storytelling issues in the movies), but the videos for this show have been so painful to try to get through that I've unsubscribed from several accounts because now I don't trust their judgment at all. RLM came out with their review and their commentary on the RUclips criticism discource and the consensus was like, yeah it's aight. If RED LETTER MEDIA is like, yeah it's fine to watch, then I know for sure these RUclips critics are way off base.
And then MauLer and the gang made an hour long stream where they were perplexed that RLM didn't hate it
There was literally a robot chicken skit about how the prequels had so many dumb connections people just accept now, like Anakin building C3PO or Midichlorians being a thing. The lack of self awareness with people who make fun of these things before a story is even finished is hilarious yet disturbing to me.
Remember when people hated the Prequels?
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Midichlorians were only hated because people misunderstood their nature. They don't generate the Force, they are a gateway between life and the Force. All they explain is why Force sensitivity is so rare.
@@autobotstarscream765
I still dislike them, and reject them 😂
Robot chicken had a lot of dumb skits that don't make any sense. Like Vader calling Palpatine about the Death Star. Vader wasn't in charge of the Death Star, Tarkin was. All he had to do was say, "Daddy Palps, your bou Tarkin fucked up. Should have put me in charge." But the skit as written MAKES NO SENSE. Maybe you shouldn't get your Star Wars critique from fucking ROBOT CHICKEN.
@@seanmurphy7011 Yeah when youre arguments are eerily close to a parody you might want to rethink your position lol. I do think that skit is funny though, those versions of Vader and Palpatine are kinda how i see them in general now.
Anyone notice that on these ''''''woke'''''' show reviews they almost always just have pictures of the actors/actresses (MOSTLY actresses) outside of the show like as if we should blame them for the show failing/being bad
YES, it's so dumb. That's also why disney continues making these Shows, people will hatewatch it, people woll watch it for making revies and so on, it will trend.
All attention is good attention, if a click gives you money.
It's a circle in which reviewers and Studio make money of producing Garbage at each other
I do notice that it's mostly the actresses.
'Borderlands' have been released to abysmal reviews and everyone knows that's on the filmmakers and the studio decisions. But on these anti-"woke" reviewers' reviews, they have Cate Blanchett and Jamie Lee Curtis on the thumbnails. The movie is an ensemble, even the marketing and promos tell us this, why single out the two actresses?
Now, I don't watch their reviews. Maybe they do acknowledge the blame is on the filmmakers and the studio. But thumbnails also speak.
Yes, they make me really uncomfortable
and then they claim it’s not misogyny or racism when the majority of their vids are them making fun of, say, a black actress from the show
@julesvillega
"I'm not sexist, it's just a coincedence that all my criticisms about female characters are about them being too competent and the male characters being disrespected."
Some of these guys need to join the Warhammer fandom if they want to complain about contradicting previously established lore lol.
please no, we are full they can have Age of Sigmar if they want
Funny enough i thinks 40k fans are less toxic , posibly more racist but less toxic
Respectfully, the Warcraft fandom claims anyone who can acts like every retcon is the first and worst they've ever seen
@@JoJoDoe1997Ah yes, because being racist is somehow not toxic??? what...
Or the Warcraft fandom, Sonic fandom, and Zelda fandom for that matter.
Critics: "This is so boring, why can't they do something creative with the aliens or alien cultures!?"
*Makes the Gerbil maybe non-binary.*
Critics: "FUCKING PRONOUNS!"
Yeah how about ditching this Sith nonsense and start with new threats, like an alien Empire wanting a chunk of the New Republic or something, instead of "you see this alien? It's non-binary!".
@@valeriacaissa4552 I didn't want an apple, I wanted a banana, do you hate bananas?
@@DahVoozel What do you mean?
And here I thought Star Wars was about themes, aesthetics and concepts - turns out it's about route recitation of obscure facts from notoriously flexible lore. Thank you Star Wars Theory!
It's about that only when you get obscure facts right
Star Wars Theory is a real fan who don't have to resort to lies and projection to get his point across, unlike you posers and ideologues.
@@harlannguyen4048Then why are you lying and projecting? Are you stupid?
Some people enjoy media franchises in the same way one might enjoy reading about history
To them, being able to dive deep into lore about some alternate world is the most enjoyable experience - The more concrete the foundation (consistent cannon, comprehensive magic/technology), the more immersive the hobby becomes as they learn more and more about this worlds history and science making up the world.
Imagine if you were a history fan and were reading a historical fiction; wherein George Washington and Abraham Lincoln meet - The authors simply changed the birthdates and acted like it didn't matter.
It might seem like nitpicking to the rest of us, but they aren't wrong to enjoy media in this way.
@@TheGaboomNo they would be ridiculed because it's ultimately fiction. There's giving points for accuracy and then there's being a prick. It's a different matter for documentaries where there's a bit more expectation, but the word fiction carries a lot of weight.
Critical Drinker said yhe quiet part loud, which is why you can't take him as anything more than an angry white guy who needs representation or he's shouting into a microphone. "See if you can find the white guy". Yup. Thats CD on a plate.
Oh, for rightfully criticizing the shitty writing of this show? Don't think; just consume product.
@@harlannguyen4048 no, for being a grifter and making shit up all the time. Star wars isnt a franchise where you need to think. it wasnt created to make you think, it was created to entertain. Yes, you can analyze and there is interesting content to break down. I for one like how you can read Anakin's down fall as a critique of toxic masculinity. But star wars isnt a deep show, the writing is always rough. You honestly think the prequels and hell even the og triology had great writing? it was okay at best and down right cringey at worst. just say you hate queer people and move on.
@@harlannguyen4048Except he didn’t criticize the writing. Don’t think; just consume content.
@@blair6647You don’t need to think anything. ”Deepness” isn’t something you can objectively measure.
@@Sensum-Auxilium exactly
I love Star Wars. The main reason that I don't like talking about it is because I don't care about the canon. I've never cared about the canon.
That and you trigger somebody. No matter what you say there will always someone who disagrees so strongly you have accidentally created an enemy for life. And I can assure you that this is not a fun minefield to navigate, and I don’t blame you for keeping out of it.
DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE CANON!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS EXACTLY WHY YOU DO NOT LOVE STAR WARS!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE, BY DEFINITION, NOT A STAR WARS FAN!!!!!!!!!!!! DUDE!!!! THIS VIDEO IS ENTIRELY PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEGATIVE REVIEWS / COMPLAINTS ARE LITERALLY LEFT BY PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIKE SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE DELUSION OF UNEQUAL DISTRIBUTION IN NEGATIVE REVIEWS OF DIFFERENT SHOWS BEING ATTRIBUTABLE TO BIAS / REVIEW BOMBING IS FACTUALLY WRONG AND DELUSIONAL!!!!!!!!!! PEOPLE ARE MUCK MORE LIKELY TO LEAVE NEGATIVE REVIEWS THAN POSITIVE REVIEWS!!!!!!!!! THAT IS A FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE DELUSION THAT MORE SEASONS / TOTAL NUMBER OF EPISODES, SOMEHOW DICTATE THE TOTAL / RELATIVE NUMBER OF NEGATIVE NUMBER OF REVIEWS LEFT BY AN AUDIENCE IS DELUSIONAL!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D
I really appreciate this. We need more good faith thoughtful discourse around Star Wars. My only pushback is that I don't believe that ppl like Nerdrodic and C. Drinker are actual fans. I think they're grifters. Maybe a small distinction, but I think it's important.
That said, this video is still a brilliant piece of work.
Well, there're not fans anymore. For good reason.
The sad reality is that this is a continuous circle, any new interpretation of Star Wars will inevitably not jive with everyone, it’s always going to be a fans version of what they think is a good Star Wars story, there will always be someone who doesn’t like the direction, which in turn leads them to grift and become bitter about said direction, causing them to lash out online, it’s a never ending cycle, doesn’t even matter if the Star Wars project is good or not.
Honestly though, what value do movie critics actually hold anymore? You can criticize things when they bother you or you see it as important to improve, sure, but when you make critiquing things your self-appointed duty, you start confusing your personal feelings with objective criticism. I no longer trust online reviews.
there's that, but also they're biased, because they want their early access, and freebies and stuff, and if they give a bad review, they lose it. they'll give a better review than someone who can barely afford to pay to see the thing. if watching a show or movie costs you time and money and you get nothing for it other than entertainment, then you're probably going to be more critical than someone who was given early access or does it for a job.
@@AKATenn
I think they're just expressing their political bias and bigotry more than anything. Early access has always been a thing. It didn't result in mass hate review campaigns like this. They also give good reviews to movies with white males leading which they don't get early access to either.
Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans
Yeah because it's not good.
Because the new ones suck
@@MrAlcazar apparantly it hasn't been "good" since 1997, at the very least.
You're an idiot if you actually believe this propagandized saying.
@@MrAlcazar Used 2 think Jar Jar wasn't a good character, now disney is starting 2 make him look a lot better, he certainly is a lot more Star Wars than "Daaa powar of mmaaaannnyyyyy". Holiday Special is bad but it's still better than acolyte and is a lot more Star Wars.
Finally a video where someone criticizes the series but also addresses the misunderstandings. Because I only get hate videos from these trolls who grift and demonize the ones who make the shows and movies.
It's such a shame that we've ended up in an era where it's either this side or the other side and it's scary that these internet trolls have gained such influence that as soon as something new comes out, there's a lot of hate and misinformation that spreads on the internet. That's not what fandoms should look like.
The level of brain rot that haters are review bombing the wrong movie
More like bot rot. 😂 Haters seem to be big fans of AI. 🤖
I saw the “fire in space” thing in the first episode as a plasma conduit that had ruptured. That can burn without oxygen…
The show goes out of it way to show a gas leak next to the fire to fuel it in space.
Spaceships can also have pipes carrying oxygen... in fact i think probably you'd have a lot of stored oxygen in the vicnity of... a *spaceship*
I think the problem is they made it look like a campfire. Being in a vacuum, the fire will rush out at super speed. So the fire will be more like a violent rocket engine after the explosion and then put itself out. Basically, it's a quick explosion, quick fire, and then puts itself out.
@@solastro5595 realistically it would've been a blowtorch and you'd put it out by cutting the gas main. But someone tought that nice little flames would look better on camera, and Star Wars plays fast and loose with science.
they care more about realistic space physics than Lucas ever did, by his own admission
As soon as the "w-word" falls, you don't really have to listen to what the other person is saying anymore. At that point it's not a review or criticism anymore. It's just hate.
That's terrible logic, so I can point out a laundry list of factual flaws in the show but If i mention it being woke I'm just a hater and all the facts I stated don't matter? Way to avoid confronting problems with the show.. the CEO of Disney himself acknowledged they have been pushing agendas instead of creating compelling stories and said they needed to stop or something along those lines. But people calling that out are just haters? Cmon
@@jacobjackson2787give a scenario where "woke" accurately identifies any issue beyond extremely vague metrics.
@@lukebytes5366 funny how u couldn't refute the facts I stated so u shift.. I shouldn't respond cause u didn't actually respond to me but I will, people use the term woke to basically say it's just pushing agendas... It's more of a blanket statement that encompasses many things in regards to shows like the acolyte, similar to how u might describe a show as funny, it's not identifying what specific things worked its more of a "vague" blanket statement that gets the point across which the point is usually expanded on later by going into specifics.
I don't see how this mattered at all or why u asked. The CEO of Disney admitted this was a probem... How are u still tryna act like it's just a hater thing, is the CEO a hater? Logic guys cmon
@@jacobjackson2787 The w-word is just used to denounce something the user dislikes. To base an argument on that is basically saying "I don't care about the actual contents of what I am watching. I just dislike it and anything I associate with it." Maybe you just don't like it because you don't like the story, but I hardly doubt you actually dislike it for something like a female lead or anything like that. That's why I immediately disregard any "criticism" of people who use the "w-word". They don't look at the product itself, they think someone is feeding them values. So is it a bad value to understand that the force is not simply for the jedi to wield, or that the jedi have always been a deeply flawed organization that hungers for political power? Is your problem maybe the casting? The story itself is serviceable and fits into the established canon, despite people claiming otherwise. The best you could really say is that you wanted more than this. And maybe less of the weird alien thing that was constantly sniffing. You really don't need the "w-word" to critique all this.
@@TageM_Official thats the best I could say? Lol, lets see..
The writing is extremely contrived, Leslye needed her story to fit in canon so she makes it fit in the laziest ways possible. Sol knows about the sith but can't tell the Jedi cause the comms just happen to go out.. in the messed up message he sent out he never mentioned sith.. then the power just happens to go out, then wen it all finally works and sol could tell the Jedi he doesn't take the one second it would take to yell "sith" on the comms cause he wants to tell a story.. and btw the person he wants to tell a story to is passed out.. that's completely contrived nonsense.
There's the scene where sol could easily pick up the two little girls but instead he tries carrying the bridge pieces under them and lets Mae fall...
The whole thing with OSHA hanging out with then joining the guy who tried killing her and her sister, killed her friends, and took her in her sleep just yesterday... But she learns sol killed her mom 16 years ago and instantly goes full darkside and kills him... Then Mae apologized for starting the fire which as far as OSHA knows is what killed all the other witches.. but osha's fine with that..
Speaking of that situation and sol. He didn't say the obvious statement of ur mom turned into a demon and Mae started dissolving so I had to do it. He instead says I did the right thing, u guys are 1 person.. as if that matters when defending why u killed their mom.
And there is so much more the entire show is just contrived
The reason it's written so lazily is a result is a result of the "w-word" agenda. They are more focused on pushing agendas in the show than actually writing something good. Not only that but they are more focused on hiring specific types of people than the people best for the jobs.. resulting in a bad show.
I have nothing against the cast other than I think a couple of them made themselves look like goofs outside the show but whatever its just funny to me. Sol and Qimir both were played by great actors. I have no problem with a female lead and said nothing about that up to this point funny how u just assume that cause I don't like the show... Anyway AFTER watching this show I can say Lesley shouldve had Amandla audition.. look at her face as she killed sol for example.. no expression at all she has a constant blank face. But I guess I'm sexist for noticing right? But honestly thats the least of this shows problems and not something I've ever even mentioned til now.
Now for a little cherry on top I'll mention a couple smaller contrivances. The stone fortress catching fire, the power generators blew up and the wires burned but when OSHA returns she hotwires the door panel that Mae broke.. except Mae broke the panel on the otherside and there obv shouldn't be power. It apparently only takes 20 minutes to get from coruscant to the outer rim. Etc, etc, etc..
If these people hate Star Wars so much now, why don't they actually watch different movies outside Hollywood...... aside from grifting for money
The money from grifting is hard to give up.
Because they have no other skillsets beyond grifting on popular stuff. Remove the popular stuff and watch their audience retention plummet.
@@Bionickpunk
Nailed it.
@@TheVeritas1 it's like a drug.
Exactly!
I had no idea that Acolyte (2008) was so bad.
Star Wars fanboys when they see a woman: 😱😡🤬🤬🤬
I don't think you know what a fanboy is? I mean why should someone inherently uncritical have this reaction to seeing a woman?
The Acolyte has been the most annoying thing to discuss. I don't know what it is with this show, the closest I've seen to these reactions was MoTU: Revelations when people who I know for a fact actually watched it just sounded like they had a collective allucination (I had one of these people unironically say "they took a black girl and made her the new He-man!" for crying out loud).
The show is clearly trying to mimic the prequels at times with the weirdly stiff dialogues (which has still better delivered and acted because it's very difficult to match early 00s Hayden Christensen on purpose) but even being extremely ungenerous to it I can't really call it "so bad it ruined Star Wars forever".
Fuck, I am a Star Wars fans since before the Special Editions and the reactions to the Thread were confoudning because I remember the goddamn White Current. Yes, it's odd if it comes out the first time for you but I don't get such visceral reactions. I know I didn't have one back then with the Fallanassi (which have been brought back recently in the comics).
My biggest problem with The Acolyte is it hadn't enough Abigail Thorn.
Sol is Latin, among others, for "sun". But, because it's pronounced similar to "soul", the potential for puns and symbolism are so obvious, I have used it more than ones.
I been using the term "hard cannon" to describe stuff that will not change (movies and TV shows), and "soft cannon" (stuff that's cannon until the shows or movies overrides it) for anything else. Why would anyone make argument about soft cannon?
That’s the exact cannon system that Star Trek settled on in the 1970s. I think those nerds might actually have some right to their smug sense of superiority to Star Wars fans
@@stevendorries I know, where do you think I got it from? This has been a thing since at least 2015.
Star Wars had a multi-tiered canon system under Lucas. The films were primary canon. The novels and comics and role-playing games inhabited lower levels of canonicity and Lucas felt free for the primary film canon to contradict and override those works whenever and however he chose.
@@dngillikin There were some other things purportedly on the same "tier" of Canon as the films, like supplementary materials relating to them, or things that came directly from Lucas, but once that stuff got contradicted by TCW, it became apparent, if it wasn't already obvious, that the most widely accessed media in the film franchise (the films followed by the TV shows) were the only things that even mattered.
lol they reviewed bombed the wrong movie?
TWICE.
If that happened, that's HILARIOUSLY lil
*Multiple* times, I have to add.
A star wars fan film also called Acolyte and a movie completely unrelated to anything Star Wars
Its not even a movie
There's too much at stake for all these people. Once your identity becomes wrapped up in the media you consume and like, we can't have a rational discussion, no matter which side of the political spectrum you associate with.
The reason Star Wars fans can't produce valuable criticism is they're too busy reading nonsense lore novels instead of actual quality media analysis.
Acolyte feels like a show that was designed to be released all at once and then disney chose to release it weekly. The start is a lot of setup and really slow in a way that opens it up for a lot of criticism in the early episodes.
I think Kenobi was meant to be a movie too before it got converted to serialized. Mandalorian is the only one where it’s a western fetch quest adventure type show which works episodically.
Acolyte feels like a show that needed double the episode number it got for its single season to actually explore the ideas it was teasing.
@@DokturProfesur nah, it feels like there is a lot of filler and scenes being stretched out. Could be pretty easily turned into a 2 hour or so movie.
My guess is that Leslye Headland was writing based on past experience, mainly Russian Doll, which was released at at once on Netflix. This is just another case of a showrunner's vision not exactly gelling well with the episodic release schedule, with fans having to wait a week each time to get the next chapter of a story that's likely better when watched in close proximity to each other.
You keep saying the witches are Dathomir witches. That’s just not the text of the show. They’re a force witch coven but Dathomir Witches are a specific one of those.
As a star wars fan, I roll my eyes into the back of my head whenever I hear anybody talk about "the death of star wars" or anything similar. People have been saying that about literally everything star wars related for longer than I've been alive, going so far back as one of the most popular fan magazines of the 70s ceasing publication after declaring that The Empire Strikes Back was the death of star wars. And I don't even need to go into anything prequel related.
Frankly, the Disney buyout was for the best, since a lot of the actual creative talent is pre-Disney alumni, so these projects would likely exist in more or less the same state they do now anyway, but now the endless fan vitriol that's always been there and probably always will be takes the form of moaning and groaning on social media over the mouse. The alternative would see all that rage being directed at one guy with a recognizable face and home address searchable on google. And in today's day and age, a lot of suspicious packages.
It´s funny to me that the fans are so enraged with the revelation that Osha and Mae were created by the force, because they say it ruins the Profecy of The Chosen One, talking like it was a legendary plot device respected by all the content made in legends, when it is just a retconned thing that Lucas invented out of nowhere for the prequels, because in the original trilogy there´s no mention or trace of that prohecy. And even if it was established in the original trilogy (spoiler, it is not), it is a very incoherent prophecy, cause in the canon of legends there are still jedis and siths out there in the galaxy even after Vader killed Palpatine and died.
Wasn't that done in The Acolyte for the very reason of setting up Darth Christ's virgin birth, not derailing it, as there was some stuff in Legends about it actually being done by Darth Sidious using the forbidden techniques rather than the Living Force literally coming down like God to do it?
When the witch said she "created them," I interpreted it as "I used a (possibly dark-side) force technique to become pregnant" not "they just appeared one day, I dunno."
I'm very tempted to share this video to a server I'm in that's full of SW fans who hated the Acolyte, despite not having seen it themselves and rely on friends who seen it, though they'll likely ban me for it.
They probably wouldn't ban you for it, but they would most likely make fun of you for praising this idiot.
In Palpatine voice: Do it.
Huh. Did my comment got deleted?
Why? Are you trying to prove them correct
Watch what you say about my guy Ki-Adi-Mundi! Wait… that’s right your talking about disney canon and not legends canon. Almost as if there are now two versions of Star Wars and we need to learn to live with it. Again. Because nerd shit and retcons go hand in hand.
It’s so hard trying to find a review of the acolyte that isn’t just a “culture war grift”. It makes it hard actually talking about the show’s actual story and content. I’m worried if people respond to more movies and tv shows. Every entertainment piece will just be a shouting match. 😔
Star Wars Explained is pretty good. He'll let you know what he likes or doesn't, but in a a way that you can just tell that he genuinely loves Star Wars, even its weirdest and worst moments.
Generation Tech is pretty good
Maybe not the kind of thing you are looking for, but I’ve been enjoying Alteori’s reviews. They aren’t scripted media criticism, it’s just her genuine reactions to things as they happen. It feels like watching a tv show or movie with a friend where they keep pausing to discuss what happened. You can see her Acolyte reactions start out pretty chill, and slowly descend into frustration and disbelief for the last 3 episodes. I also like her Doctor Who reviews. She always acknowledges parts that she has fun with and the parts that stick out to her as immersion-breaking.
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 If you want everything overanalyzed and projected.
One of the things almost all star wars fans forget.....
IT'S FICTION!
“Most creators write from their own perspective. Who tells their stories when they’re not centered on themselves in some way.”
You’d think the Critical Drinker would know this, being a published author and all.
Shad Brooks wrote a story where the main character is a mass-murdering child rapist, so for him to be using the idea of "write what you know" as a barb to attack literally anything is insanely sus.
You’re telling me Palpatine mightve lied about the power to revive to manipulate Annakin? The supreme Chancellor? He would never lie. Thats never been established at all. I remember that everybody clapped when he made the empire, that means hes trustworthy. Retroactively making him more deceitful is totally clashing with his role in his story
Whoever said star wars isnt political is being deliberately ignorant.
Jedi didn't freaking kidnap kids, there's literally canon sources showing that they ask permission
Ok cool they definitely did tho.
@@PlatinumAltaria They didn't, hardly any proof for it besides Vague accusations from Civilizations that already have a massive reason to dislike the Jedi prior.
@@PlatinumAltariaWhen? Even in _The Acolyte_ the Jedi are shown asking for permission.
@@PlatinumAltaria You shouldn't have any problems telling me who and when then, right?
@@zufalllx They stole Glup Shitto, read the extended lore.
I never saw what Chris Gore said about The Acolyte outside of Twitter before 42:55 ; Chris Gore blatantly lied about Episode 3 here (which he saw, via review screeners, and few other people did at that point). He claims they re-defined what the force is (wrong). "You are going to SEE 2 mothers conceive twins" (blatant lie)." Did they every ask him why he willfully overstated that crap? Or they just defending their friend and pretending he was being honest?
One of the most common misconceptions about Star Wars is that it's a sci-fi title.
This is cosmic fantasy. LOTR, but make it space.
Either way, bigotry in the fan base is a grossly obvious problem that bigots insist on denying despite being the only ones perpetuating it.
I've agreed with most of what you said so far, but I think they kinda have a point about the "force conception" thing at 39:43. I'm not really a Star Wars fan but I thought the whole idea was that the force itself created Anakin to balance the force and all that. Turning it into a technique or ritual (I will be honest I haven't watched the show) that a person could learn kinda does devalue Anakin's whole "chosen one" thing. I know Palpatine tells Anakin that Plagueis could do it, but also Palps was trying to manipulate Anakin so we don't really know how truthful he was being.
Your defense at this part is kinda just "it can fit into the lore", however even if it is "lore accurate" I still think it harms the narrative of Anakin's story. Saying it's "lore accurate" isn't really a defense, just like as you say calling it "not lore accurate" isn't really a criticism.
Again same thing at 53:45. Sure it can fit into lore, but it harms the themes of Anakin's story
Only time these guys cared about Weinstein's abuse, wanna bet if we digged we'd find them saying how all these women were hysterical?
"...a game of 'spot the White guy'."
Oh, noes! There aren't a bunch of White guys in my Star Wars! WAH!
Seriously, dude, what the actual fuck?
@fisheyenomiko that isn't even the main problem people are complaining about like u guys make it out to b, its a bad show regardless.. but ya obv people are going to be upset with blatant discrimination and agenda pushing. And thats verifiable facts with evidence.
But then if the cast was all white, it would suddenly be a problem, wouldn't it?
I'm wholly convinced the Star Wars Fandom will never be happy until Disney gives them money and a headpat for somehow being better at Star Wars than George Lucas...
The online Star Wars fanDUMB will never be happy being so focused on hate they miss the point of their favorite movies, however the fans IRL are pretty chill
They want a movie in which Luke Skywalker defeats an army of 1,000 super Darth Vader Clones. Nothing else will suffice. And NO WOMEN, NO "POLITICS" (that they disagree with) and NO NON-WHITES.
Too bad these stupid critics lessen the legitimate criticism about Disney Star Wars, which to me is mostly the oversaturation without any greater plan behind it other than extend the Disney+ catalog. Capitalism ruining art
"Everything about the show was really good, but it has bricks in it, 4/10" - forgettable streamer at 34:00
Great video! But the witches in The Acolyte aren’t the Dathomiri witches
I really hate Star Wars now outside of the prequels because the loudest halves of the fandom drove it into a Ghostbusters-sized unapproachable crater.
Ive been on nearly every side of Star Wars debates and in all honesty, it taught me that this stuff doesnt matter. Its taught me that these things go through cycles, that its okay to like something everyone else hates and its okay to not like something everyone else does. There was a point I genuinely had to consider going cold-turkey from the franchise because the negativity I felt towards it was that bad, and it was honestly fuelled by several of the people you talked about in this video. Since then Ive came to appreciate Star Wars a lot more and understand some of the things its saying because of the discourse around it, how to let go of hate because youre so attached to something and accept it for what it is instead of being wound up and yelling to the void about it. How history and culture cycle and how to break that, how just because you think you know how everything works or how everything is going to go doesnt mean apathy is the right response, and to fight for what you believe in is important. Star Wars means a lot to me, and I take it as it comes. It pains me to see a lot of people miss even though i understand where theyre coming from, and watch the echo-chamber of the "fanbase" push them towards something the golden child films warned against.
Acolyte is fine, and I actually am really hopeful that the artificial controversy around it is going to highlight how shallow the current environment is. I remember seeing people writing off this show when it was announced years ago and that anger based on pre-judgement to me is the main reason this show is as hated as it is. Its been put in this weird position of being on "the bad" side of Star Wars where the boogey-woman Kathleen Kennedy is pushing her agenda while the heroes are off to the side making the Mandalorian, but I bet if Dave Filoni was attached to it people would be praising it right now for exploring new aspects of Star Wars, citing how the creation of Osha and Mae ties into the lore about Palpatine creating Anakin. Its funny but the clip of Star Wars Theory showing Anakin telling Palpatine about the Witches was actually kinda funny and interesting in a way he didnt intend at all. Hes trying to make fun of it because "lol how dumb does this sound" (the same thing people did with the prequels prior to The Last Jedi) but its actually kind of interesting whether or not the twins and Anakin would have a sibling relationship, and its funny seeing Palpatine not know something for once (though its meant to be you agreeing with him how dumb it is).
This is long winded cause your video got me thinking a lot about Star Wars and my relationship to it and its fanbase so Ill try sum up. All this is to say that really, I think the reaction more highlights peoples bias and bigotry more than anything else. You can see it in how the most accepted thing in recent Star Wars was the show with a macho man doing badass things that for all intents and purposes had a pretty razor thin story, made my two white guys. While I stand by Star Wars is for everyone and has always had a diverse fanbase, it is kind of the poster child for stories that appeal to young boys and men, Its the same vibe I get a from a lot of EU stories too, and given that was the only material people had for a long ass time its not surprising that an attempt at a status quo change (but not really) has people up in arms like it always has.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
I still need to read the third Earthsea book. People being mad about Ged being nerfed is hilarious. Did they read book 2 where he spent most of it trapped underground and needed help from the kingdom's princess (princess? It's been a while since I've read it) in order to escape?
The light saber fight in The Acolyte is the best light saber fight in all Star Wars media to date.
What do you think about the last episodes now that you've seen them all?
The show is ultimately just very okay. The same weaknesses that impacted it in the beginning impacted it later on. I felt they didn't go far enough with the dark twist.
Now I'm really mad, the criticism of this show is even more stupid and in bad faith than I had dared to imagine.
"The Force is a river from which many can drink, and the training of the Jedi is not the only cup which can catch it."
This is a quote from Luke Skywalker in the 1996 novel "Tyrant's Test." The idea of non-Jedi and non-Sith Force monks and orders was already decades old before even The Force Awakens released. All the insistence from "fans" that Disney is betraying Star Wars canon by "redefining" how the Force works is patently absurd.
This "controversy" allowed me to clean up my Twitter. One mention of "lack of whites" and BLOCKED! One mention of too many women and BLOCKED! One day my Twitter feed will be a neat little nest of decent people with actual opinions instead of parroting talking points. One day...
May as well just leave Twitter at that point. That's what I did, I was miserable viewing hateful people spout hatred. My mental health improved considerably once I deleted my account, it will help you too.
This is the biggest reason why I haven't watched any of the new Star Wars shows. Because the discourse surrounding them is flat out radioactive. I miss the days when media criticism was about a work's merits than its "wokeness."
Im gonna go right out and say it. I'm 100% certain that the reception to The Acolyte would've been generally pretty positive if it was created by a white man and starred a white man as the protagonist. And if it wasn't that great, it would've been blamed on Kathleen Kennedy.
The Acolyte haters will get mad at me for saying this, and while I don't think it's a perfect show by any means, it's very clear to me that a very large amount of people are trying to come up with ANYTHING negative to say about the show because they don't want to just admit that they dislike the creator, cast, and the things they've said. Learn to separate the art from the artist. Just because you like the artist doesn't automatically mean the art will be flawless and can do no wrong; and if you dislike the artist, that doesn't automatically mean the art is gonna be garbage with zero redeeming qualities.
How could u watch the prequels and say that the acolyte made jedis cops?! Do they remember when they were war general🤨
didn't Phantom kind of establish that at that point they basically were glorified space cops?
"For a thousand generations, the Jedi were the guardians of peace and justice throughout the galaxy."
Ya know... the cops.
@@ninegearcrow "We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers." _Proceed to become soldiers_
Ah, so exactly like the cops.
Acolyte is good. Not perfect, but not really bad. The fact that it was hated initially because of its diverse cast proved to me that the backlash to this show is just nonsense.
The backlash has very little if anything to do with the show's diversity. The biggest problem is the WRITING!
@@MrAlcazarWrong. It's the diversity. They hated it before it was out when they saw the cast. That says enough about them. I mean, just look at their talking points. This is why they need to nitpick. Also, how can you like something if you convince that you hate something before you even see the first trailer.
The writing is okay too. Not gonna win any award but that's okay. Not every show would and should be.
@@basicsimp8798 Wrong. It's just a generalization and lousy Strawman argument. No one ever complained about Lando being black or Leia being a strong woman. Also House of The Dragon has a diverse cast, and no one is complaining about that. Why? Because it's a well made show, and the Acolyte is not. Pointing out plot-holes and character inconsistencies is not "nitpicking. People criticized the show early because they knew it would be more of the same bad Disney Star wars, and they were right. Episodes 3 and 7 are proof.
@@MrAlcazar Yeah the same movies you would cry about if it came out today. The fact that amazing shows got barely amount of reviews compared to the Acolyte paints a clear agenda of the racist trolls. A lot of people are crying about House of Dragons too, that it's just girl power 😂 Acolyte is just a show with diverse characters. That's what they were upset about. That's it. At least be honest about your bigotry 😂
Episode 3 of the Acolyte is great. It shows how the Force is treated differently by other cultures, treating it like a Life Thread. It shows a lot of questions and biases from a character's point of view that was answered in a next episode.
Actually, just try to close your AntiSJW mind and listen to this video.
@@MrAlcazar It had everything to do with the diversity. A lot of people like critical Drinker even come right out and admit it.
A thing to realise that I feel like you are missing, is that alot of hardcore Star Wars fans are lore-nerds. I and my friends have for the longest time viewed Star Wars as one continous timeline similar to other franchises that we love like Warcraft, Warhammer and Magic The Gathering. Alot of these people are more attached to the Lore then the actual stories in the franchises. Alot of the good faith people who hate Disney Star Wars are people like that. I love The Last Jedi but I have a friend who hate the movie simply for using the wrong type of Bomber-ships in the beginning of the film and not the story that was portrayed. He hated Rouge One for similar reasons "If they can't do something as basic as sticking to the established tech-continuity they clearly don't respect me and the universe".
Yeah, lore nerds are not good faith critics. The continuous timeline has never existed, lore has always been shifting. Luke and Leia were not siblings in the New Hope, in ESB they are.
This is even more true with franchises like Warhammer. "Alot of these people are more attached to the Lore then the actual stories in the franchises" is a huge selfown. "If they can't do something as basic as sticking to the established tech-continuity they clearly don't respect me and the universe" this so hugely unselfaware that it is almost funny.
@@MrEzuli Well fair enough. Lore nerds generally aren't Critics. They are consumers first. In that case what I then actually mean by them being "Good faith critics" is that they are unhappy about the direction of franchise out of genuine emotional investment in something they grew up loving. They also usually do not posses the Critical- and Literacy-skills to actually view Star Wars as piece of media and not a whatever it has become in their heads.
Can we also note that the still of the padawans only denotes the children's demographics by their separation from whiteness and masculinity? Not "black male" and "white female," but just black and female.
Edit: I also want to say how deflated I feel about Star Wars Theory recently. I loved his content, theories, and discussions from the early teens, but it seemed like after he came back from the issues with his fan film he just became more and more negative and hate-driven (even though he rarely loses his cool, he does have a strong bias that at this point goes unchallenged in his content).
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SWtheory is like the drake of the starwars fandom. He likes to insist he’s keeping his cool while at the same time making statements based on snap judgements and media illiteracy grounded in his own emotion. Keeping your cool is more than just not yelling, it’s also reasoning with logic. He’s also only as popular as he is because of his older better stuff.
I work for a call centre, our ques are the busiest when something breaks and we get the most customer engagements on our Facebook when there are service issues . Usually our adds showing products get 2-4 comments. But when our servers are down there are 200-400 comments about it. And this is a small bank in the small country of New Zealand.
These were critiques, this is customer feedback that their systems is broken and not functioning as intended
This is what I was going to comment, but with not as good of an analogy