At the very least, I am glad that as we country we are starting to have these controversial conversations. It’s time we revisited the colonialists’ religion with a fresh pair of eyes .
Am happy to see that young Kenyans are realizing the truth about the invisible guy “God” live right! There is no heaven or hell, God or Satan. We live and die. Live right👌🏽 do good to others always.
Talk about moral accountability. As an atheist I want everyone to be accountable for their actions. If a thief goes to God for forgiveness and doesn't ask for forgiveness from his or her victims God forgives without the thief taking accountability.
God forgives them but they never escape the consequences of the crime they committed...you should do more research n not just read a particular part of it n not all
This atheist is truthful. Take for example the lightning arrestor. We as Kalenjins take lightning as an animal sent to solve societal differences and kill the sorcerer's. They had this mentality for a long time until the whites took over the land where tenwek hospital lies today.This was lightning prone areas. The European used their physics knowledge to solve this and now it's been a help to people.
This pastor is misleading; he doesn't know the meaning of *"theory."* He is equating *"theory"* to *"speculation."* He has clearly never read Darwin. He is the one speculating. He hasn't presented a single fact.
Big props to pst T, He is even more knowledgeable in science than the atheist professing science, his arguments were just very shallow and ignorant not anywhere close to mutch up with Passi... This was a KO for Passi or a 10-nil score
Lol If you have never heard of FALLACIES then that pastor guy convinced you.. His shallow points have been debunked but because you guys just want to keep believeing myths then you will keep believing. The FALLACIOUS nature of his arguments are very childish and you just need to step out of your little bubble for once and you will notice them. Most of us Atheists used to be indoctrinated, brainwashed and uncritical believers like you guy, but being honest and questioning what nonsense was fed to us from a very young age got us to reject. That is why the White people that brought this christianity to Africa are now mostly atheists here in Europe, Australia, and in America atheism is growing very fast. But the poor not so informed desperate people from my continent Africa and other 3rd word continent are the ones that still have this slave mentality of having a supreme master.. Sad..
I like Mr T cause Hes A real pastor......but however i cant believe the bible cause the white man brought it to us......i concur with Harrison.....we have to challenge .....the Bible........i like the debate though.......... Northern Africa has only semites who are mostly muslims who dont really represent African Race.....is there any Nigerian,Kenyan.Senegalese,South African Congolese Or Angolan
The Bible is also a history book, the problem is many folks don't read. The truth God doesn't care whether you are black, white yellow etc in the book of Acts 17:30 "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent" He is calling everyone. The fact is the Bible existed even during the times of the Roman empire. The truth is the Bible doesn't belong to the white man.
1Cori 10: God used Pharaoh and Moses to show himself and his glory to man. Even in Exodus, he told Moses to say, "Let my people go so that they can WORSHIP me". If we don't understand God is spirit and he desires our allegiance, we question his actions. The creator can't be questioned if what he has created has outlived/ is not serving his purpose. Is like asking why God inserted death in life. You can't question the author of life. Romans 9 - some things created for noble and others ignoble purposes. That's why life is good. If everything was one thing, or of one format, life would lack meaning. Like in a house, some things are plates, spoons etc and each has a purpose. To say God doesn't exist is also ignorance. You only need to study some genetics to see how well organized life is. DNA of human is not the DNA of a lion or monkey. Each has its place in balance of nature. Without cows, no milk or meat. Without man, or carnivores, herbivore population would explode and kill itself from lack of food/grass. Balance of nature shows existence of superior intelligence or God. Even the non living things are serving the living and are in balance/harmony. The moon shifting it's location could create climatic disaster etc
@Donald Ken Wow ! According to your explanation sounds like the driving force behind evolution has a brain. Applying just the right environmental pressure to change an ape into man. Kindly explain to me the sky, water, clouds, trees, fish, frogs evolved from? When you tell me there is no guideline then my friend my simple observation tells me there is a time to be born and a time to die. There is summer, autumn, winter and spring. That sounds and looks like an order to me. The funny side to all these theories are written by folks who believe in a deity or are funded by folks who are super religious. Go do your own research into the lives of the men who run the world. They all belong to secret societies aka clubs for one single purpose to worship. Use the same effort to dig up the truth don't stop at the evolution theory because it full of flaws. Cheers Ken.
@@paulkiarie6538 Don't be ridiculous things were still falling down leaves from trees and fruits etc, before Isaac Newton came up with his theory. You are willing to believe that blah blah million years ago a,b,c,d... happend. In your lifetime what have you seen evolving? But I guess you'll tell me it takes millions of years. So convenient while the life expectancy of the majority is 70 years.
A lack of evidence of God’s existence is not the true reason atheists reject a belief in God. Their rejection is due to a desire to live free of the moral constraints God requires and to escape the guilt that accompanies the violation of those constraints. “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them . . . so that people are without excuse…Their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools…Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts…They exchanged the truth about God for a lie” (Romans 1:18-25).
No that's just you not wanting to understand atheist's perspective. You cannot accept others not believing in your nonsense so you deny what is it they tell you.
@@sandrajackson709 I used to believe the childish nonsense like you do.. But once I started thinking and reasoning like a grown up I saw right through the god rubbish.. Only gullible, fallacious adult believe in the god nonsense.. That is my opinion of course..
So you’d rather listen to your scripture than actual people who exist. Lol. I see you have your human priorities straight. No. Two reasons I don’t believe. 1. He doesn’t exist. I need good arguments. Please provide them. 2. The bible is unethical. I study ethics. No bible needed. Sin is a theological concept that doesn’t have strong metaphysical grounding. Divine command theory doesn’t cut it. So yeah. Two years later, and I hope you can actually avoid this deflection theists constantly do.
Please as a Kenyan in American we believe in God, with all the research done and great education that God is real and exists. In some American great hospitals, there are prayer rooms for all faiths and monument in one of the leading cardiac hospitals that quotes, " the greatest physician is Jesus Christ". Darwin had unreconciled grief after the death of his daughter which led to questioning God's existence. Its not unusual to question God in calamities. I love the way Pastor T responded, Man of God full of wisdom.
@@africacorporatetrends1 he has a degree in geology that he's probably never used. In just this one interview he said so much nonsense that no good scientist would ever say. - He doesn't know what "theory" means in a scientific context. - He said that "scientific language" has the concept of "absolute truth" - He said that science predicts that the physical world will have an ending (because "the universe is tired" 😂) - He has no clue what evolution is - Much more nonsense that I'm sure I've forgotten So much time spent making vague references to "science this" and "science that" without ever making one real argument. Reminds me of the muslim idiot Zakir Naik who loves to say "I am a medical doctor" as if that makes him an authority on anything.
I don't think mumia's approach is great in how he and his organisation are dealing with religion. And that is as an atheist myself and I despise the kind of ujinga being praised by Mr.t he is an idiot and his word doesn't mean shit. Atheists in Kenya need to change their approach to helping the country develop. They really need good ideas. But hii ujinga people think in the comments is cleverness is in his words deception.
Yes, I agree with Pastor T. Theology is a Science and darwnism is a theory. Darwnism is not a proven Science but a theory that Charles Darwin had. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
8.00 forth is pure lies .Mr. T has no idea what he is talking about. He simply does not understand what a theory is. He is lying through his teeth and feeling good about it. This is nonesense
The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you . I wish atheists will open their eyes and see the real world they are just talking without thinking . This universe was created by god they has to be a reason ...haa to be..
@@nyongesaxx7361 No, the universe is not, but is it under obligation to have been created for you, but one speck in an infinite universe, living on a speck of dust in the middle of nowhere in a less than average solar system and a less than average galaxy. God is not necessary. He is but an expression of our innate narcissism. The idea that you think atheists are narcissistic because they believe they are but a small part of an infinite universe that owes them nothing and which they only wish to explain by questioning themselves thoroughly, knowing their own mistakes. Theists like yourself I assume are the true narcissists thinking themselves better and more important than all others. Shame on you.
@@dennismwenda9654 i don't think that we are more important than other people and science has not answered why humans are so intelligent i mean why are we the only beings so far who can do all of this ....answer me then . Everything that is created has a purpose and just look around the world is so complex someone had to do it . Give me good arguments and i can be an atheist
i think both guys make sense. science and religion have good arguments but they are not absolute truths. for me i believe in God but i believe that religion is very manipulative. why do you have to give God money for him to give you money?? on the other hand, science fails to explain why humans are very intelligent thinkers i a world where all other animals are not very intelligent. so for me, it's all about being rational.
@n c humans are the most intelligent beings by far. we have a laguage, we use different sofisticated tools, dolphons are way less inteligent tha humans.
Being more articulate does not mean you are right.. That is why these Pastors rae defrauding ignorant, desperate and uncritical masses around the world. They are making millions from being very good talkers of nonsense.. Reminds me of these fraudsters that wear smart suits and talk a good talk while they defraud as much money from as many as possible unsuspecting members of the public.. Communication and articulation are some of the skills they are taught in seminaries.
The pastor has no idea what theory means in scientific context. Furthermore, it’s obvious he has not looked at the theory of evolution. Evolution has been shown to be true.
Out of the 3, only the pastor seemed prepared for this interview. Kingori... did not drive the discussion well and did not give it the seriousness it deserved.. What was your objective for hosting these 2? Harrison... as a representative of such an organisation... you came across as too shallow and did not front the atheists well.. You can do a lot better than this. You must take a strong stand in what you believe in. Pastor T.... your time was wasted. Ask for another interview but we'll done for your efforts.
What about the Pastors that are making defrauding innocent and desperate members of the publics? The fraud Pastors are defrauding / stealling millions from the poor and desperate uncritical / unsuspecting members of the publics. That is why they have the most expensive cars, mansions, fly 1st class etc.. Right? smh
it not a waste of time religion needs to be thrown away. it stops people from thinking rationally and alot of people regulate other people lives based of their beliefs.
You are very wrong Islam came around the 7th century, you can only begin to speak about Islam and Mohammed in the year 610 AD . Before Mohammed the Arabs worshiped different gods at the Kaaba which is in Mecca. The Arabs were polytheistic meaning they believed in many gods. The Arabs can be traced back in the Bible to a man named Shem Genesis 10:21-27 and Gen 10:26-30 . But many Arabs tribes trace their ancestry to Ishmael. Mohammed was born in the year 570 AD in Mecca. He claimed that he was the prophet to restore true religion and the praise of Allah throughout the world , just as Jesus Christ was a prophet in his time for his people. Jesus is the most mentioned person in the Quran by reference 25 times by the name Isa. In the third person 48 times, first person 35 times the rest as titles and attributes but the Jesus of the Quran is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible. There are 2 Jesus. 1.There is the true Jesus Christ of the Biblical scriptures who has fulfilled all the prophecies of the Bible and was crucified and resurrected on the third day. 2 The other Jesus of the world who is a creation of the Roman catholic church and promoted to the world today as all accepting and only about bringing peace to the world. The catholics even have a picture of him. Unfortunately this the Jesus that the Quran talks about and is not the true Jesus Christ this is the antichrist. The true Jesus Christ is not going to bring peace on the earth but He is going to bring a sword. Matthew 10:34. You read the Quran and compare it to the Jewish Talmud they are the same. In addiction compare the Jesus of the teachings and representations of the roman catholic church to the Jesus of the Quran the answer is they are the same. Mohammed met with angel Gabriel for 22 years. The angel appeared to Mohammed in a cave where he used to go and pray. This angel forced Mohammed to recite, the recitation was the origin of the Quran. Mohammed told the angel he couldn't read but the angel pushed him to the wall three times. He went home to his wife Khadijah very afraid. Mohammed contemplated suicide several times . When I read the Bible on all times that some individuals had encounters with angels and even with God, I don't see where any of the individuals were so afraid that they even thought of committing suicide. Conclusion is if the Quran is a Holy book from the Almighty God why does it have false stories about Jesus Christ? Why is it similar to the Jewish Talmud ? Why does it talk about a Jesus taught by the roman catholic church?
@@ivansnise And christianity is also a FRAUD concept that was plagiarised from Judaism myths / fictions.. That is why Jews look at christianity as a cult or a false prophet..They rejected it and still do to this day.. Islam is even worse. Plagiarised from the Jewish the christian cult and jewish myths.. The whole religion thing is fairy tales for adults.. lol
The ethist bro should know time and dispensation the time of Moses they were given law and where there is law there is death, Romans 10:4 and there was no one who was saved or justified in eyes of the law therefore,the saviour Jesus Christ came to pay penalty of sin since B4 law came sin existed Romans 5:13 .After the death of Christ on the cross no more deaths since Christ Jesus has fulfilled the law and therefore it is written Christ is the end of law hence the end of death Romans 10:4. by faith we are proclaim victory and by grace we are saved for Romans 8:1 no condemnation to me who is in Christ Jesus.Always let us differentiate what happened when and why God can't share same character with the satan.satan kills God gives life that is why we didn't have superior God and junior Jesus there is only one God in trinity.
Also China is actually now the hub for Christianity if you didn’t know . It moves around , never staying in one place , used to be Middle East , then the west USA , then Africa and now it is in mainland China . Because Christianity isn’t just a ‘church’ . ... just saying
@@evelynewambui3316 You have probably been told many times before that the answer to your question is NO. But you will keep on going with the ignorant act because you can't wrap your head around the idea that there may be people who honestly don't believe in magic.
“Ni mwafrika mgani ako kwa Bible “ 😂😂😂🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ . . Okay so let’s just ignore Egypt and Sudan . This is the problem with most atheists, their whole argument is mostly based on witty insults that have no foundation. Better known as ad hominem . They hold claims about Christianity but haven’t studied it . They always claim that because they went to church and grew up in a Christian family , they KNOW all about Christianity. The pastor is actually more of a scientist and religious scholar than you are . He is actually more knowledgeable about your side of the argument than you are , it’s actually hilarious 😆
@Its . xdonnie Oh hey again. No YOU are ignorant, and want to supress other peoples opinions because you do not like them . If you do not like my comment, YOU go away.
@Its . xdonnie I do not even know how to start responding to this. You and i agree on one thing, our cultures took a hit due to colonialism and enslavment of westerners. Aside from this, everything else you have said with regard to christianity is the genetic fallacy. Basically, you cannot judge or dismiss a claim or concept based on its mis-use or how it came to be known. Let me try an analogy, if you use a toyota to escape in a bank robbery , do you now say "toyota's are not good and do not exist because they have been used in bank robberies? ". That would be absurd. In the same way, do not judge the bible , God or the claims of christianity based on their mis use or mis representation. This is the first part of the fallacy you have commited. The second is dismissing or judging a claim based on HOW you got to learn or know it .This is commited when people say, "if you were hindu you would be a Hindu or if you were an arab you would be muslim and therefore religion is made up". Its taken further to say that christianity is false because the only reason i am a christian is because i was born into a christian family. This is lazy thinking, because there are MANY things that we are born into and dismiss or continue to promote , NOT because of culture, BUT because they work. By your logic, things do not have value by merit of their character or content but by their genetic make up or how they are used. This is the same thinking Hitler used to convince his people that Jews were less than human , therefore killing them is a gift to humanity because their deaths would free up natural resources for the humans who are concidered more valuable according to eugenics. The last partof your comment was emotionally charged, it seems you are claiming that life is about doing what WE love. This is interesting and where moral relativism (im assuming you are atheist) falls into great issues. You see when you say "do what i love", what if what i love is killing Jews, raping women, corruption for personal gain, lying and cheating to gain an advantage over my fellow man? What then? If the standard of good and bad is me and you, then by what standard am i wrong to do these things? It wouldn't wrong, it would just be what i love! Time and time again, man is slave to these desires, in fact we LOVE it. Your idea of "do what you love" is naive because it assumes that the average human being loves what is good and kind and beneficial to all men. Just take a look what happens when people "do what THEY love " instead of doing what OUGHT to be done. There is a great difference. For your information, "do what you love" is a softer version of the greatest commandment in the devils bible which is "do what thou wilt" which is basically do what you want without thinking if it as good or bad. The priority is YOUR will. To see the failure of this creed you only need to look at the world right now.
@Its . xdonnie Its not about what me and you believe, its about what is true and whether what we believe is in line with it . Thats all that matters at the end of the day .You and i can live and die with no clue at all that we were wrong.
I’m not really talking about his facial looks . I honestly believe his brain is really pathetic. I know people like to brand themselves but maybe there better ways to brand your self . Maybe by not embracing yourself . A friend of mine used to be an atheist . We lived in the same house in Vancouver for a while and I can tell you guys his heart was pathetic as well and his brain way way off to lunch like this guy’s . So I don’t mind his looks as that’s non of anybody business but his ego and brain SUCKS. That’s all sorry to you his fans
At the very least, I am glad that as we country we are starting to have these controversial conversations. It’s time we revisited the colonialists’ religion with a fresh pair of eyes .
Am happy to see that young Kenyans are realizing the truth about the invisible guy “God” live right! There is no heaven or hell, God or Satan. We live and die. Live right👌🏽 do good to others always.
Love the show. Its my 3rd time watching the clip and my honest opinion to the host, always be neutral. ✌️❤️
Tell a pastor to prove evidence of God.....atakupa story 3 hrs bila evidence yoyote
An atheist has won this conversation.
NTV, on this topic, can you please organise a same debate with Sheikh Ibrahim and Harrison Mumia? If you need his contact, I can get for you.
Yes yes yes
And on Sabbath, Man created God in his own image
😂😂😂😂💀💀💀seeessshhh
Mr T ... I'm a Muslim and I would love to visit you ,trust me you're a very good philosopher.
Wuuuw
Talk about moral accountability. As an atheist I want everyone to be accountable for their actions. If a thief goes to God for forgiveness and doesn't ask for forgiveness from his or her victims God forgives without the thief taking accountability.
exactly
God forgives them but they never escape the consequences of the crime they committed...you should do more research n not just read a particular part of it n not all
This atheist is truthful. Take for example the lightning arrestor. We as Kalenjins take lightning as an animal sent to solve societal differences and kill the sorcerer's. They had this mentality for a long time until the whites took over the land where tenwek hospital lies today.This was lightning prone areas. The European used their physics knowledge to solve this and now it's been a help to people.
Still pastors are waiting for scientific to discover corona medicine
I love the conversation.. Wisdom Man of God...more grace Pastor T
The law of causation is a very good guide an starting guide to understand the existence of a supreme God
This pastor is misleading; he doesn't know the meaning of *"theory."* He is equating *"theory"* to *"speculation."* He has clearly never read Darwin. He is the one speculating. He hasn't presented a single fact.
Yeah
Big props to pst T, He is even more knowledgeable in science than the atheist professing science, his arguments were just very shallow and ignorant not anywhere close to mutch up with Passi... This was a KO for Passi or a 10-nil score
Lol
If you have never heard of FALLACIES then that pastor guy convinced you..
His shallow points have been debunked but because you guys just want to keep believeing myths then you will keep believing.
The FALLACIOUS nature of his arguments are very childish and you just need to step out of your little bubble for once and you will notice them.
Most of us Atheists used to be indoctrinated, brainwashed and uncritical believers like you guy, but being honest and questioning what nonsense was fed to us from a very young age got us to reject. That is why the White people that brought this christianity to Africa are now mostly atheists here in Europe, Australia, and in America atheism is growing very fast.
But the poor not so informed desperate people from my continent Africa and other 3rd word continent are the ones that still have this slave mentality of having a supreme master..
Sad..
@@theaviationist.5719 That right
I am convinced the audience was paid to laugh and clap
Wow. Theology is a science? Darwinism is a theory? Wow.
The idiocy is truly dumbfounding. Especially the confidence with which he spews said idiocy.
It depends on what side you are on.
Where was he when the rib was removed😂😂😂😂😂😂
Enyewe Pastors should have some level of education to answer some delicate questions... Hapa nae Pastor Ng'ang'a tungeshindwa hii debate
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Mr T
I like your response and may gain more knowledge, wisdom and understanding for you to bring more sense to these non believing people 😉
I like Mr T cause Hes A real pastor......but however i cant believe the bible cause the white man brought it to us......i concur with Harrison.....we have to challenge .....the Bible........i like the debate though.......... Northern Africa has only semites who are mostly muslims who dont really represent African Race.....is there any Nigerian,Kenyan.Senegalese,South African Congolese Or Angolan
The Bible is also a history book, the problem is many folks don't read. The truth God doesn't care whether you are black, white yellow etc in the book of Acts 17:30 "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent" He is calling everyone. The fact is the Bible existed even during the times of the Roman empire. The truth is the Bible doesn't belong to the white man.
I am an atheist and Pastor T is one of the soberest people I have listened to. Huyu jamaa ako fiti sana
Even before watching the show,a first to comment,likes please
At list someone has said there is no God
I really love mr T.. may God bless you Amen 🙏
1Cori 10: God used Pharaoh and Moses to show himself and his glory to man. Even in Exodus, he told Moses to say, "Let my people go so that they can WORSHIP me". If we don't understand God is spirit and he desires our allegiance, we question his actions. The creator can't be questioned if what he has created has outlived/ is not serving his purpose. Is like asking why God inserted death in life. You can't question the author of life. Romans 9 - some things created for noble and others ignoble purposes. That's why life is good. If everything was one thing, or of one format, life would lack meaning. Like in a house, some things are plates, spoons etc and each has a purpose.
To say God doesn't exist is also ignorance. You only need to study some genetics to see how well organized life is. DNA of human is not the DNA of a lion or monkey. Each has its place in balance of nature. Without cows, no milk or meat. Without man, or carnivores, herbivore population would explode and kill itself from lack of food/grass. Balance of nature shows existence of superior intelligence or God. Even the non living things are serving the living and are in balance/harmony. The moon shifting it's location could create climatic disaster etc
Evolution is not based on assumptions bana
Prove it.
@Amimo Chaka One simple question how many apes have you seen turn into human beings in your lifetime?
@Donald Ken Wow ! According to your explanation sounds like the driving force behind evolution has a brain. Applying just the right environmental pressure to change an ape into man. Kindly explain to me the sky, water, clouds, trees, fish, frogs evolved from?
When you tell me there is no guideline then my friend my simple observation tells me there is a time to be born and a time to die. There is summer, autumn, winter and spring. That sounds and looks like an order to me.
The funny side to all these theories are written by folks who believe in a deity or are funded by folks who are super religious. Go do your own research into the lives of the men who run the world. They all belong to secret societies aka clubs for one single purpose to worship.
Use the same effort to dig up the truth don't stop at the evolution theory because it full of flaws. Cheers Ken.
@@ivansnise acha ujinga . if evolution is a lie then go jumping of building because gravity is also a theory
@@paulkiarie6538 Don't be ridiculous things were still falling down leaves from trees and fruits etc, before Isaac Newton came up with his theory. You are willing to believe that blah blah million years ago a,b,c,d... happend. In your lifetime what have you seen evolving? But I guess you'll tell me it takes millions of years. So convenient while the life expectancy of the majority is 70 years.
A very good discussion.
A lack of evidence of God’s existence is not the true reason atheists reject a belief in God. Their rejection is due to a desire to live free of the moral constraints God requires and to escape the guilt that accompanies the violation of those constraints. “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them . . . so that people are without excuse…Their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools…Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts…They exchanged the truth about God for a lie” (Romans 1:18-25).
No..
I reject the god nonsense because it is childish... No adult should believe such childish Fairy tale for adults..
No that's just you not wanting to understand atheist's perspective. You cannot accept others not believing in your nonsense so you deny what is it they tell you.
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I used to believe the childish nonsense like you do..
But once I started thinking and reasoning like a grown up I saw right through the god rubbish..
Only gullible, fallacious adult believe in the god nonsense..
That is my opinion of course..
So you’d rather listen to your scripture than actual people who exist. Lol. I see you have your human priorities straight.
No. Two reasons I don’t believe.
1. He doesn’t exist. I need good arguments. Please provide them.
2. The bible is unethical. I study ethics. No bible needed. Sin is a theological concept that doesn’t have strong metaphysical grounding. Divine command theory doesn’t cut it.
So yeah. Two years later, and I hope you can actually avoid this deflection theists constantly do.
@@AllNikoNoLai we can have a conversation and a healthy one. Thank you for your argument about the subject.
That's my man Pst T, may God bless you exceedingly beyond measure, you are truly a a blessing in our generation, keep up the great work
A moderator should be neutral! Smh
Pastor T, you've humbled that gentleman in your intellectual discourse of who God is and that He's the source of morals
God bless pst T
T is a great man
Please as a Kenyan in American we believe in God, with all the research done and great education that God is real and exists. In some American great hospitals, there are prayer rooms for all faiths and monument in one of the leading cardiac hospitals that quotes, " the greatest physician is Jesus Christ". Darwin had unreconciled grief after the death of his daughter which led to questioning God's existence. Its not unusual to question God in calamities. I love the way Pastor T responded, Man of God full of wisdom.
Ati devil alidunda with a big bang😂😂.. This is too funny
Religion and evolution are two different theories that don't agree with each other, trying to put them together is just being confused
The pastor is a comical disaster.
And really stupid
And really stupid
@@iwrotethis4712 I don't think countless quantum physicists and most of all micchio kaku would agree with you on that
I love the conversations .
Atheist Harrison hana concepts!
We ni mdark umeanza😂 kuchomeka😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Apostle Mr T God akubless
This is a mockery. Mr .T is not as educated as he shows himself to be.
He's two degrees and a masters...what do you have in your bossom Atheist?
@@africacorporatetrends1 he has a degree in geology that he's probably never used. In just this one interview he said so much nonsense that no good scientist would ever say.
- He doesn't know what "theory" means in a scientific context.
- He said that "scientific language" has the concept of "absolute truth"
- He said that science predicts that the physical world will have an ending (because "the universe is tired" 😂)
- He has no clue what evolution is
- Much more nonsense that I'm sure I've forgotten
So much time spent making vague references to "science this" and "science that" without ever making one real argument. Reminds me of the muslim idiot Zakir Naik who loves to say "I am a medical doctor" as if that makes him an authority on anything.
as a muslim and the people of the book the pastor was way more critical thinker than the scientific guy
No he's not
I don't think mumia's approach is great in how he and his organisation are dealing with religion. And that is as an atheist myself and I despise the kind of ujinga being praised by Mr.t he is an idiot and his word doesn't mean shit. Atheists in Kenya need to change their approach to helping the country develop. They really need good ideas. But hii ujinga people think in the comments is cleverness is in his words deception.
Yes, I agree with Pastor T.
Theology is a Science and darwnism is a theory. Darwnism is not a proven Science but a theory that Charles Darwin had.
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Wtf is "biased science"?
Back here after 2years
8.00 forth is pure lies .Mr. T has no idea what he is talking about. He simply does not understand what a theory is. He is lying through his teeth and feeling good about it. This is nonesense
The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you . I wish atheists will open their eyes and see the real world they are just talking without thinking . This universe was created by god they has to be a reason ...haa to be..
@@nyongesaxx7361 No, the universe is not, but is it under obligation to have been created for you, but one speck in an infinite universe, living on a speck of dust in the middle of nowhere in a less than average solar system and a less than average galaxy. God is not necessary. He is but an expression of our innate narcissism. The idea that you think atheists are narcissistic because they believe they are but a small part of an infinite universe that owes them nothing and which they only wish to explain by questioning themselves thoroughly, knowing their own mistakes. Theists like yourself I assume are the true narcissists thinking themselves better and more important than all others. Shame on you.
@@dennismwenda9654 i don't think that we are more important than other people and science has not answered why humans are so intelligent i mean why are we the only beings so far who can do all of this ....answer me then . Everything that is created has a purpose and just look around the world is so complex someone had to do it . Give me good arguments and i can be an atheist
Ikr? Lying through his teeth.
That is a smart Pastor. I like him. He has totally destroyed the Atheist.
not really
Hahaaaaa not even close. You are too blind to see it though.
Can they speak English please we also wanna know what they say in South Africa
Amazing
Mr T 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Weird how pastor T cites the issue of sadam hussein with no facts about the whole story of his execution. I lost him. Totally!!
I hear you.
The pastor is at risk of being unemployed is gods existence is demolished
i think both guys make sense. science and religion have good arguments but they are not absolute truths. for me i believe in God but i believe that religion is very manipulative. why do you have to give God money for him to give you money?? on the other hand, science fails to explain why humans are very intelligent thinkers i a world where all other animals are not very intelligent. so for me, it's all about being rational.
Please put up the scripture where God is asking for money?
@@ivansnise that won't help
@@ivansnise malachi 3:10
@n c humans are the most intelligent beings by far. we have a laguage, we use different sofisticated tools, dolphons are way less inteligent tha humans.
@@ivansnise malachi 3: 10
Ata wewe Kingori unaingilia atheist😂
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The pastor is more articulate than the atheist president.
Being more articulate does not mean you are right..
That is why these Pastors rae defrauding ignorant, desperate and uncritical masses around the world. They are making millions from being very good talkers of nonsense.. Reminds me of these fraudsters that wear smart suits and talk a good talk while they defraud as much money from as many as possible unsuspecting members of the public.. Communication and articulation are some of the skills they are taught in seminaries.
@@theaviationist.5719 I agree with you.
loved the debate, hated the interviewer....too biased, plus his dry jokes didnt help... kurudia rudia tu majokes za hell
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Pasta has gone to school.
Pastor T🙏atheist🙏
The pastor has no idea what theory means in scientific context. Furthermore, it’s obvious he has not looked at the theory of evolution. Evolution has been shown to be true.
Out of the 3, only the pastor seemed prepared for this interview.
Kingori... did not drive the discussion well and did not give it the seriousness it deserved.. What was your objective for hosting these 2?
Harrison... as a representative of such an organisation... you came across as too shallow and did not front the atheists well.. You can do a lot better than this. You must take a strong stand in what you believe in.
Pastor T.... your time was wasted. Ask for another interview but we'll done for your efforts.
Maybe he to is unbeliever and didn't know what to preparev
GOD BLESS PASTOR TEE
Thats a man of God.
Ati theology ni science????? WTF?
ni science but not physical science ni social science but the guy is lying a lot
Theology is not a science, unless you stretch the definition of science
theology is nowhere near science, social science ni economics and the likes. theology is a humanity.
AETHIST. .........it's good your looking for money by coming up with unnecessary NGOS . After all those are survival tactics😱😱😱
That's ironical.
Which NGOs?
This pastors are just stealing money from Innocent people
What about the Pastors that are making defrauding innocent and desperate members of the publics? The fraud Pastors are defrauding / stealling millions from the poor and desperate uncritical / unsuspecting members of the publics.
That is why they have the most expensive cars, mansions, fly 1st class etc..
Right?
smh
17:35 > : 57 ukweli mtupu
Its not like we don't know what we believe, we don't want to believe, we want to know.
How ?
Haha ati why can't God forgive the devil....
Actual good question
This atheist lack of knowledge, himself he don't know where he came from,
Fools say to themselves, "There is no God!" They are all corrupt, and they have done terrible things; there is no one who does what is right.
A fool says there is a god. One that supposedly created the whole universe and life as we know it would need a book to communicate with you.
What’s the point of these interviews? It’s just waste of time . Religion or god is something personal really really personal
Wait till your son or daughter comes across them and looses her Iman.
it not a waste of time religion needs to be thrown away. it stops people from thinking rationally and alot of people regulate other people lives based of their beliefs.
rashid gachoka it’s their problem not mine , god will reveal himself to them hhhh not my responsibility
Apostle love you for free
Dude looks like a Klingon js…🏃🏽🏃🏽
Allah commands mankind cause true religion before HIM is Islam and mohammed is HIS messenger like Jesus is to ALLAH swt and pbut
You are very wrong Islam came around the 7th century, you can only begin to speak about Islam and Mohammed in the year 610 AD . Before Mohammed the Arabs worshiped different gods at the Kaaba which is in Mecca. The Arabs were polytheistic meaning they believed in many gods. The Arabs can be traced back in the Bible to a man named Shem Genesis 10:21-27 and Gen 10:26-30 . But many Arabs tribes trace their ancestry to Ishmael. Mohammed was born in the year 570 AD in Mecca. He claimed that he was the prophet to restore true religion and the praise of Allah throughout the world , just as Jesus Christ was a prophet in his time for his people. Jesus is the most mentioned person in the Quran by reference 25 times by the name Isa. In the third person 48 times, first person 35 times the rest as titles and attributes but the Jesus of the Quran is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible. There are 2 Jesus.
1.There is the true Jesus Christ of the Biblical scriptures who has fulfilled all the prophecies of the Bible and was crucified and resurrected on the third day.
2 The other Jesus of the world who is a creation of the Roman catholic church and promoted to the world today as all accepting and only about bringing peace to the world. The catholics even have a picture of him. Unfortunately this the Jesus that the Quran talks about and is not the true Jesus Christ this is the antichrist.
The true Jesus Christ is not going to bring peace on the earth but He is going to bring a sword. Matthew 10:34.
You read the Quran and compare it to the Jewish Talmud they are the same. In addiction compare the Jesus of the teachings and representations of the roman catholic church to the Jesus of the Quran the answer is they are the same.
Mohammed met with angel Gabriel for 22 years. The angel appeared to Mohammed in a cave where he used to go and pray. This angel forced Mohammed to recite, the recitation was the origin of the Quran. Mohammed told the angel he couldn't read but the angel pushed him to the wall three times. He went home to his wife Khadijah very afraid. Mohammed contemplated suicide several times .
When I read the Bible on all times that some individuals had encounters with angels and even with God, I don't see where any of the individuals were so afraid that they even thought of committing suicide.
Conclusion is if the Quran is a Holy book from the Almighty God why does it have false stories about Jesus Christ? Why is it similar to the Jewish Talmud ? Why does it talk about a Jesus taught by the roman catholic church?
@@ivansnise both Christianity and Islam are bullshit, its all false
@@ivansnise And christianity is also a FRAUD concept that was plagiarised from Judaism myths / fictions..
That is why Jews look at christianity as a cult or a false prophet..They rejected it and still do to this day..
Islam is even worse. Plagiarised from the Jewish the christian cult and jewish myths..
The whole religion thing is fairy tales for adults..
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King'ori 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
The ethist bro should know time and dispensation the time of Moses they were given law and where there is law there is death, Romans 10:4 and there was no one who was saved or justified in eyes of the law therefore,the saviour Jesus Christ came to pay penalty of sin since B4 law came sin existed Romans 5:13 .After the death of Christ on the cross no more deaths since Christ Jesus has fulfilled the law and therefore it is written Christ is the end of law hence the end of death Romans 10:4. by faith we are proclaim victory and by grace we are saved for Romans 8:1 no condemnation to me who is in Christ Jesus.Always let us differentiate what happened when and why God can't share same character with the satan.satan kills God gives life that is why we didn't have superior God and junior Jesus there is only one God in trinity.
Why bring such pple on air. No wonder it's a wicked edition
So you will rather not know what is true and what is not?
@@scarmsaniiaggrey1646 tell me that truth you are talking about
@@janewambugu2645 My dear, we are all learning, how do you establish if something is true?
@@scarmsaniiaggrey1646 refer to the bible
@@janewambugu2645 good, but how do we establish that the bible is true? I actually love it.
Also China is actually now the hub for Christianity if you didn’t know . It moves around , never staying in one place , used to be Middle East , then the west USA , then Africa and now it is in mainland China . Because Christianity isn’t just a ‘church’ . ... just saying
Do atheists believe they have a soul? If they believe they have, where does their soul go after death?
My question is. Are they devil worshipers or what...
@@evelynewambui3316 You have probably been told many times before that the answer to your question is NO. But you will keep on going with the ignorant act because you can't wrap your head around the idea that there may be people who honestly don't believe in magic.
@@Imranosaurus weeeeeh 😂😂😂😂 ulikuwa wapi 1yr ago
“Ni mwafrika mgani ako kwa Bible “ 😂😂😂🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ . . Okay so let’s just ignore Egypt and Sudan . This is the problem with most atheists, their whole argument is mostly based on witty insults that have no foundation. Better known as ad hominem . They hold claims about Christianity but haven’t studied it . They always claim that because they went to church and grew up in a Christian family , they KNOW all about Christianity. The pastor is actually more of a scientist and religious scholar than you are . He is actually more knowledgeable about your side of the argument than you are , it’s actually hilarious 😆
@Its . xdonnie Oh hey again. No YOU are ignorant, and want to supress other peoples opinions because you do not like them . If you do not like my comment, YOU go away.
@Its . xdonnie I do not even know how to start responding to this. You and i agree on one thing, our cultures took a hit due to colonialism and enslavment of westerners. Aside from this, everything else you have said with regard to christianity is the genetic fallacy. Basically, you cannot judge or dismiss a claim or concept based on its mis-use or how it came to be known.
Let me try an analogy, if you use a toyota to escape in a bank robbery , do you now say "toyota's are not good and do not exist because they have been used in bank robberies? ". That would be absurd. In the same way, do not judge the bible , God or the claims of christianity based on their mis use or mis representation. This is the first part of the fallacy you have commited.
The second is dismissing or judging a claim based on HOW you got to learn or know it .This is commited when people say, "if you were hindu you would be a Hindu or if you were an arab you would be muslim and therefore religion is made up". Its taken further to say that christianity is false because the only reason i am a christian is because i was born into a christian family.
This is lazy thinking, because there are MANY things that we are born into and dismiss or continue to promote , NOT because of culture, BUT because they work. By your logic, things do not have value by merit of their character or content but by their genetic make up or how they are used. This is the same thinking Hitler used to convince his people that Jews were less than human , therefore killing them is a gift to humanity because their deaths would free up natural resources for the humans who are concidered more valuable according to eugenics.
The last partof your comment was emotionally charged, it seems you are claiming that life is about doing what WE love. This is interesting and where moral relativism (im assuming you are atheist) falls into great issues. You see when you say "do what i love", what if what i love is killing Jews, raping women, corruption for personal gain, lying and cheating to gain an advantage over my fellow man? What then? If the standard of good and bad is me and you, then by what standard am i wrong to do these things? It wouldn't wrong, it would just be what i love!
Time and time again, man is slave to these desires, in fact we LOVE it. Your idea of "do what you love" is naive because it assumes that the average human being loves what is good and kind and beneficial to all men. Just take a look what happens when people "do what THEY love " instead of doing what OUGHT to be done. There is a great difference. For your information, "do what you love" is a softer version of the greatest commandment in the devils bible which is "do what thou wilt" which is basically do what you want without thinking if it as good or bad. The priority is YOUR will. To see the failure of this creed you only need to look at the world right now.
@Its . xdonnie Its not about what me and you believe, its about what is true and whether what we believe is in line with it . Thats all that matters at the end of the day .You and i can live and die with no clue at all that we were wrong.
Look up Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens
This atheist guy has awful looks btw . Even the science didn’t favour him . His looks are quite scary
Hahaha, hujaambia huyu poa aki! 😂
Now that's just being petty
So you define standards for looks, let's see you.
You are talking about yourself...
It was not about looks, he is just trying to tell you that your sky daddy monster does not exist
I’m not really talking about his facial looks . I honestly believe his brain is really pathetic. I know people like to brand themselves but maybe there better ways to brand your self . Maybe by not embracing yourself . A friend of mine used to be an atheist . We lived in the same house in Vancouver for a while and I can tell you guys his heart was pathetic as well and his brain way way off to lunch like this guy’s . So I don’t mind his looks as that’s non of anybody business but his ego and brain SUCKS. That’s all sorry to you his fans
I can see ignorant in the young man 👨 the Atheist.. may GOD deliver them in this bondage
U will see if u but think a moment