Coding Bootcamps 2023: Insights from REAL Graduates
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
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Just the video I was looking for! Thanks!!!
7:15 So true! and I am a prime example. I have a CS degree and I did bootcamps...13 months later .... still no job, because I did the bare minimum thinking having a CS degree and a Bootcamp on my resume will give an advantage even if I don't put the effort. Sure they gave me so many interviews but 90% of them were cut short halfway through saying "Thank you, we have seen enough..." I had to teach myself everything again for 5 monthes and then I got hired.
The “Thank you” statement would literally make me cry 💀💀
Have you some examples of questions you wasn't able to find a solution that they said they "seen enough"?
@@overPowerPenguin I don't remember exactly but they were simple questions, they start with basics 1st and expect you to solve it in few minutes like sorting algorithms, SUM of 2... Easy leetcode questions. I usually black out from embarrassment ,that's why I don't remember the questions and it has been 5 years 😅
@@isolatedanonymous1979 I did cry .... from the awkwardness and embarrassment 🤣!
@@moepray1602 ohh, well 😄. Anxiety is a real thing.
The beginning of the video resonated with me so much. A year and a half ago I was sick of my career, I hated every working day of my life. Decided enough was enough and took the leap, have never looked back
Your videos are always so informative and well-presented. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us!🚀😎
People with CS degrees and who have done internships are struggling to get a job. The overwhelming majority of employers are not going to pick a bootcamp graduate or self-taught candidate over someone who has a degree in computer science and/or relevant experience (internships or jobs).
I think this is the result of hyping programming careers for years, “so many great jobs, so few programmers…can make 6 figures a year easy….” But also a lot of projects done by programmers in foreign countries for much, much cheaper.
Been following you for a while now. Love the motivation bro, thank you!
70hrs per week coding bootcamp..you get what you put in... Stand out, help others, arrive early, stay late.
I graduated from a bootcamp earlier this year and I was a top student in every class. One thing I discovered is that you are covering so much material during the bootcamp period that you don't master or retain much of the material because you are moving on to several more things every day.
same I was a top student in my boot camp as well.
@@BetYouHateMeNow did you guys get a job with the bootcamp ? idk if i should spend 17k with no assurances
@@miguelalatorre1 no not yet but its been about 3 months and I have had about 2 serious interviews and 2 companies I decided not to go further with due to horror storries.
@@BetYouHateMeNow so that's a No to taking a bootcamp myself? What do you think?
@@miguelalatorre1 at this time I would avoid like I stated before, there are an influx of coding bott camp trying to take advatatage and make false promises, as of right now while signing up for job there are tons of companies that are trying to pitch you anothe bootcamp. If you really want to start now though buy a cheap program to dip your feet in and let the market turn back to normal but a def no on 17k bootcamp with no gaurentee
I graduated from a web dev bootcamp in feb. They did well in introducing all these concepts but definitely not job ready. even now, everyday im building projects to reinforce what iv'e learn and learning more than what their curriculum was. It can be easy to forget what you're learning since its very fast paced.
Yeah, great advice - I would also recommend getting with study groups or groups that can build projects together under the same code base.
Thanks for this video and interviewing 2 people who have been through the rigamarole . I'm about to turn 25 and haven't pursued any formal education since graduating high school. I've completed a few courses on data-camp but nothing I've learned from these small courses has felt like tangible knowledge. After watching, I am seriously considering getting into a Coding Bootcamp within the next 6-months.
Currently in a coding bootcamp right now, so far its going good lots to learn
thanks Sean, the part where "you won't use what you learn in the bootcamp" is just too real. I'm at a fork in the road right now. but this tremendously helped my decision making process.
This is a very informative and level headed video.
I graduated from a bootcamp in December. It was really awesome, no regrets at all, but I can’t find a job for the life of me. In one sense, that’s good because im diving very deeply into building AI models right now via Coursera, but the reality is that the job market is very unfavorable for new programmers right now. That may change. But one thing I know for sure is that the only way to get a job is through networking, which is why I attend a deep learning meetup once a week which is really fun. Merely shooting off resumes to 100 linked in job posts a week is clearly not the way in.
Any luck finding a job?
opinions now ?
I'm just starting to learn how to code, i must say i don't really know that much about being a software engineer. But i really want to get better in the aspect of coding
I'm about 25% through the ZTM complete web development course. I love it. He has a discord with THOUSANDS of people in there ready to help you. I'll admit it's hard, at times I feel like i'm not getting it, but the instructor always has videos to show you how to do it. He lets you try to figure it out on your own, then shows you how to do it properly. I can't wait til i'm done. I'm going to do the react native, and mobile development courses next!
how much does it cost?
@@Alex-mj7fj Zero to mastery is like $30 a month or 1k for lifetime access. They're constantly adding stuff too.
Am a self taught developer currently working as a angular developer at a ecommerce company. Based on my experience I blv the most important thing for a person who is getting into coding is to developer the thinking and logic required to code. Not sure whether coding bootcamps can teach that level of logical thinking in a span of three to four months.
What would be a good source for developing logic
@@Bam07676 tbh there are countless videos on youtube explaining different logical thinking and standards... but in my case what worked best was... after learning the basic fundamentals of javascript like learning sets maps, arrays, objects and other data structures... I started doing leetcode problems from the easy level. That helped me a lot improve my thinking.
Do you have a degree at all? Also what do you think is the number one reason they hired you? Portfolio maybe?
My degree is in economics... I mainly got hired prolly cuz of my portfolio and since I did a lot of leetcode based problems... the coding test was on the easier side... so completing it was not that difficult. @@Tytrades
@@Bam07676Mathematics
I am learning the Codecademy Python beginners course. And it's so hard because there is so low theory time they explain like 30mins-2 hours max in the day about what you learn today like Lists, Dictionaries, functions, debugging... and rest time is for doing tasks. If you want to learn it well you need put extra hours of your free time into learning, about your today's or tomorrow's theory.
I recently graduated with Computer Engineering degree and I have been pondering about joining Coding Dojo due to the lack of coding knowledge I didn’t receive during my time in college. But I’m very interested in joining this project.
In my experience when you’re just learning you shouldn’t worry about what language or tools you should use. Just choose one and get started. Getting started and doing it everyday is the key. If you master one language it’s not a problem to switch if needed. Also you don’t have to know everything and you’re most likely not gonna know everything. Last thing is just ignore some people fighting over languages or tools if it pays your bills and you enjoy it that’s enough.
Graduates shouldn't expect boot camps to substitute a traditional degree because most companies still require a Bachelor's and experience.
What are some of the top coding bootcamps out there? I heard good things about appacademy but they also fired their cohort leads?
I really would like to get into Data Analytics. I’m just at a point where I feel so stagnant.
Would you be able to make a video which is meant for those who aren't college graduates that want to attend a bootcamp and what their outlook would be after? I see a lot RUclips videos of bootcamp graduates with previous college degrees that appear to make the transition into tech much easier. I know having the 4 year degree is optimal but it be nice to know what the prospects are for non college degreed individuals.
Sooo true. People all got their own opinions on what route you take its annoying and its bullshit. You do what works for you do your research and find what I'll work for u. Not everyone ones situation is the same
What about for other career fields? Like Data Analytics? Brinkman Labs has one for 10 weeks
What is the difference between a web developer and software developer and which one are you
I couldn’t imagine trying to learn what I learned over 4 years of college in a 6-12 month boot camp. Shoot, we spent 2 years just learning data structures and algorithms. So if your not already a naturally inclined coder, boot camps feel like a hard sell to me
Boot camps are not going to replace a traditional 4 year degree - most graduates still struggle finding work without an official bachelor's.
@@SSGoatankswhat if you have a CIS degree and do a bootcamp at the same time ?
Whether you received a CS degree or went to a bootcamp it is not an end all, be all, you’re done.
LEARNING NEVER ENDS with a software engineer. Changes in frameworks, tech stacks, the latest and greatest… leveraging AI.
Do your research, don’t listen to every talking head out there, pick a path and work your MF @$$ off. It is not easy. But it will be worth it. I believe in you.
HI > AI
I’ve found local college leaflet in my mail. Got enough of my job and looking for a change. I was always a tech person so why not coding. Now I’m looking for a boot camp.
Im currently a Data analyst doing the coding dojo full stack BootCamp. My work is paying for it though we need more devs.
Can you hook me up with the referral? 😅 I'm looking for a job
Was it worth it?
almost done I would say it is what you put into it. I am doing the part time program. So I can honestly say between work and school. Im actively sitting in my desk staring at a screen for 70 plus hours a week. Its a huge commitment but I think its an amazing program
@@acelucky1336
I graduated from a bootcamp back in March. The start of the bootcamp was very ds&a heavy and it eventually turned into learning the tech to build full stack web applications. Towards the end of the bootcamp we started doing mock tech interviews and I soon realized my ds&a game was absolute garbage. So since then I spent majority of my time trying to get a grasp on how to solve those leetcode problems but it's been a rough journey. I'm not sure if I should continue with ds&a or maybe add more features to my projects. Anyone have some input? I've been applying to jobs in the morning and ds&a afterwards, currently at 300+ job applications, all no response/rejections..
Having been involved in the tech industry for many years, I can tell you that market saturation in a given occupation is common, and once it occurs there is no going back to the way things were prior to saturation. 300+ applications in any saturated tech career is a very normal experience. It often means taking more than a year to find a position.
Give us update
Actually landed a role in November of 2023. 1300 application, 2 interviews 1 coding challenge. It's possible , just don't give up is all I can say
@@Juicyj851 what did you study?
This is the most well timed video. I was/am planning on enrolling in Bethel Tech Full stack bootcamp in August.
looked on their website: so cool that its church based
@@larslover6559 I'm still undecided what I will do. I have talked to many people on discord and I've gotten so much bachlash on bootcamps I don't know what to do... : (
I’m in the same boat. I literally contact someone from Bethal as well and then from a college about a full stack course. But then I’m learning how people that are self taught and learning are getting in the door since they are putting a lot of work in it
@@deboman81 I actually went with a different bootcamp called Flatiron. I'm about to start week 3 of the bootcamp!
@@alextrotman9317 sounds like a plan and good luck
Chris/ Guys English is not my first language. Do you all think it’s hard to code with limited English? Please provide me some advice. Thanks a lot.
I've been coding ever since I graduated with my BBA on May 2022. Should I pursue a masters in web development on August 2024? Would that open more doors for a job?
Please don’t get a masters in web development. Just continue to build projects and showcase your coding skills so that way you can present something to hiring managers. There are so many people that are excellent coders with a only high school degree and making six figures. Please I beg you not to get a masters and just do the work.
Just take the Harvard cs50 class. It’s free
Coding bootcamps are really really Worth doing
I'm currently learning web development from a bootcamp and its amazing they teach you things from beginning to advance level ( complete roadmap)
which one are you doing ? Asking for a friend. Thanks
They may be worth your time, but are they worth $10,000 or $20,000, though?
@@KevinSmith-gu7fb If you get a job after you should be able to pay it off in a year so maybe
@@maherfaisalali4124 how do you like it. I'm doing a Codecademy course and it's pretty good as well
@@davewilliams9294 oh
Then I will suggest you to keep doing what are you doing don't leave that course and join another one
You can do this another time as well .
Good luck 🤞
What do yall suggest if you’re not good at self teaching yourself and then you don’t think boot camps are worth it
I am kind of a boot camp right now(dont know if ZtM counts as a boot camp). Honestly there are alot of boot camps out there, yes they totally are worth it. I have a full network of people I can rely on if I get stuck. I have a full network of support and I can learn at my own pace with the one I am doing. (which I am pretty much hyper focused.) I have resources for projects as well as things to make my own. Now.. next step is to get a job in it. Thats the hard part.
I done it ZTM I think that’s not enough to get job because we just watch the video and following them I’m just thinking to go real bootcamps
yes relationship to other are big factor coz sometimes even you kicking the interview and your other competitor have relationship inside your done 🤣 .
I actually did a bootcamp and did the self taught route and I think you can do it either way it really comes down to how organized you are and your discipline. Self taught you have agency over what you can work on depending on your time schedule and is far more flexible but is also much easier to get lost and fall off.
Bootcamp is less flexible but gives you resources such as mentors or tutors than prove to be an invaluable resource. Additionally, you must take advantage of these resources if you want to get the most out of the bootcamp. Many of the students in my cohort did not take advantage to the same extent as me and some of the other higher performing students in the bootcamp.
TLDR boot camps are still worth it given you put in the effort and use the resources they provide, if you do the bare minimum expect the bare minimum results.
I made a impulsive decision to go into a bootcamp but I know that I’m heading into the right direction
How has it been?
@@RealChrisSean It’s fun and kind of stressful . I enjoy being able to learn about code at home and understand what I’m learning but at the same time, I have to deal with sitting for long periods without getting distracted at my own PC
@@jaboobins_how long did it take to get a job when you graduated?
Man, ive been self learning off an on for a couple years but being 33 i always feel like im too old to switch careers lol
*2 Spider-Man pointing at each other meme*
If you continue to wait you’ll be 43 beating yourself up for thinking you were “too old” at 33. You just have to start and do what you have to do to not put yourself in a position of regret later on.
yes coding boot camps are hard for most I went to a free coding bootcamp in US that taught a lot including making your own API with Java and Spring. My cohort started with 67 people before we even finished JavaScript (Git, BootStrap, HTML, CSS, and JavaScript) over 50% of those people disappeared. And at the end most people were just barely hanging on once we got into Java, MYSQL, DOCKER, MAVEN, etc.
That dropout rate is not uncommon. Many students are drawn to bootcamps only because they heard they can have a high income. The reality is that these students do not have what it takes to become a developer, nor do they understand this is not a job where you just learn something once and then you are set for life.
What’s the name of that free bootcamp you went to if I should ask?
@@deboman81 it used to be called generationUSA but now it's called chooseU
@@deboman81 It was not free.
What's the location and name of that free coding boot camp?
Self taught is confusing and also a lot of guides are pretty shitty
Hello everybody I am looking into a career change and I have come across these coding boot camps online. At this point in my life I have decided that my career is not what best suits me for the long run financially or personally. I’ve been doing construction/mechanical work for my early adult life up until now I’m 27 years old and I am ready to make a change.
I was in the Air Force and I also went to college and got a four-year degree in communications, which of course, like a lot of other degrees did me no good. So now I am looking into these coding boot camps and I am considering starting one within the next few months, after more researching and gathering of information. Is there anything that anybody could tell me or any type of insight that anybody could give me on what they think. A good school might be to attend? What the salaries look like? That is another big factor I want to better myself and I of course want to make more money and I expect to when I leave my current position. Of course, I don’t expect that out of the gate, but down the line. Any information from anybody would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much.
Thinking of doing 2 boot camps - do you think its worthwhile they cover slightly different stuff.
Noo don’t
Pls are Udemy coding bootcamps worth it?
I believe the best route is to self study, no point in paying for uni or bootcamps this day and age, aim for a course on a platform that has a course that is well structured and the educator is held in high regard. Then follow each lesson step by step and if need be you can deep dive into certain aspects that the course only touches on the basics. For example I've learned about SQL, SQLite, NoSQL etc but in order to get good I am aware I need a more in depth lesson on Azure and I've actually taken on 2 separate courses on Azure which I'll complete after my current course ends. So take a structured course and you'll start to create your own steps in the right direction
I started studying frontend development like 9 months ago, since I was fine with what I was doing I attended a bootcamp some months later which I graduated from in February. Since then I kept self-studying through online resources and noticed that I actually didn't learn much from the bootcamp, so I really wonder how it is for people who start in that world from 0.
Something I noticed is that the more I study the more I realize that don't know anything about programming, definitely some years are needed to get a grasp about what's going on.
Needless to say that companies these days requires full stack junior devs with 2-3 years of experience so the best choice from my point of view is to forget a bootcamp.
I didn't get your point at all. "so the best choice from my point of view is to forget a bootcamp" - what do you mean by that? self study is superior to bc?
@@Alex-mj7fjI would like to know the answer as well
Companies need experience so you are giving up? I don't understand your final point.
Would anyone recommend a certain RUclips channel or online course as a good inexpensive place to start just so I can see if I have the kind of brain for it and if I enjoy it to invest more time and money?
Check out free code camp
bro code on youtube taught me all my OOP
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not every body can afford a bootcamp although i agree is important
Anyone here thats done Shecodes? Any opinion on this 😩
I did a boot camp and failed I feel like giving up
Never give up. Keep it pushing and keep learning. Keep working on your portfolio and polishing it. Make it stand out.
@@johnjohns_channel yeah dude for sure I mean I launched my personal website and everything but im getting 0 offers not sure why only had one person reach out me but I am the age as criss when he first started in tech
@@johnjohns_channel thanks im glad Im not the only one makes me happy I also finished mine but never graduated with the cert
@@owencodeswhy not graduatet with the cert ? What went „wrong“ ? ….im also into bootcamp actually
@@johnjohns_channeldid u land a job now?
I got to say it. The way he position his shirt mounted mic in this video and the last one is frustrating. The audio is dominantly on the left side and sounds a bit hollow. It's a bit distracting for me
Sorry :(
For almost every job in tech you need a degree. Bootcamp can help but what I've seen its not enough.
I would counter that as I've seen people with no degree who started off in Quality Assurance and no degree and are now a salesforce developer. Or people with degrees that are not tech BS in Liberal Studies (Nothing tech related) and landed a dev job. Companies that would prefer a culture fit over a degree.
You make it sound a bit exhausting, and that only the over achievers with the time to do the extra work will make it to a job offer. I'm currently contemplating if a boot camp is financially feasible for me. I just don't want to be exhausted trying to figure out stuff. Who can relate to my concerns? 😊
Can I become a software developer as a felon?
Unlikely in the current market. There are a couple successful felons with RUclips channels but they entered software development years ago. Now you would have to compete with thousands of other applicants who have no convictions and potentially a college degree, too.
Nope
Coding bootcamps will fall like ITT Tech into bankruptcy
They offer you job placements, lies lies
Front end developer making $60k…terrible
I was making 45k for 2 years and 70k for 2 years :(
@@RealChrisSean thanks for sharing, I’m a good developer, but bad at interviews :(
Takes practice :). One thing I wish I learned sooner was to stop under valuing myself. I never believed I deserved a 100k salary. Yet somehow I went from a 80k salary to a 183k TC salary out of no where on my 5th year too.
Then my 3 offers after job never became less than 180k TC lol.
@@RealChrisSeandid you self teach yourself,or went through boot camp?
"Sponsored by a Coding bootcamp." JFC
TO EVERONE IN THE UK: Currently the Department of Education offerst free coding bootcamps, lots of them, just google it. I finished one of these. But like the lady said, it's just one of the steps. Good luck :)
is it limited to UK-citizens only?
@@Alex-mj7fj That's whay the gov web says: You may be eligible to apply for a Skills Bootcamp if you:
are aged 19 or over
have the right to work in the UK
live in England
meet residency requirements - the training provider can check this
@@juliak2039 gotcha. as a Ukrainian residing in the US it clearly has nothing to do with me :) thx
I am about to start a bootcamp and live in uk
Pls are Udemy coding bootcamps worth it?
You can find some of them on sale. Some will be able to walk you through things - the problem with this is if you get stuck where do you go for help? do you give up? Or maybe their videos are outdated and you are using newer versions and there is a mismatch. You may get frustrated and quit.