New World vs Old World Cabernet Franc
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- Опубликовано: 3 июн 2019
- In 6 minutes Madeline Puckette compares New vs Old World Cabernet Franc and fails to pick a favorite. See wine details: winefolly.com/review/new-worl...
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Thanks for the Canadian Shout out! Love our Canadian wines!
Fun! Cab Franc was one of my first favorite single varietals. I’m a fan of the herbal, earthy, pepperiness in these wines. Great comparison as always-really enjoying this series.
I’m so glad you mentioned Virginia in the text! Lots of Cab Franc in the Old Dominion!
Thank you so much for all of your efforts in educating people who want to learn.
Love your videos. I love the way you talk about wine ❤️.
C. Franc is one of my favorite varietals and I like both styles: the sutil and elegant ones from France and the fruity and herbaceous ones from New World, specially those from Argentina like Gran Enemigo or Pulenta.
Your stuff rocks. i watch all your vid's and i keep learning more and more. Thank you
Don't forget about Virginia...loaded with Cab Franc - not only in single varietal bottles but also Bordeaux blends
Finger Lakes and Niagara Escarpment as well.
I have had the one from CrossKeys vineyard
Creeks edge in VA. Windridge Vineyard in MD
Congrats on an informative and at the same time entertaining site. I have been following you for a little while and am getting caught up. I like to think I know more about wine than the average person (and have people come to me asking for advice), but you do a great job in educating and I have already learned a thing or two watching some of your videos. I just ordered your book. Keep up the good work. You help make wine fun.
Speaking francly, I love both styles of this variety.
Nice job! succinct, informative,good delivery to both the neo-process-to- enophile .with guidance. Thanks.
Awesome! Our neighborhood wine group (lead by yours truly) is having a Cab Franc tasting this weekend and most will prefer the New World style, for sure. We have 15 bottles (yes. we cleaned out the store(s), from Cali, Argentina and the Loire Valley. Our group is mostly novices, and tends toward the fruit, meaning more Loire for me! Great video, it was well received. Will send you the results, we vote with gold, silver and bronze stickers.
I’m a fan of a bottle I just opened from Loire. Thank you for teaching me about the grape! I love the green notes! 🍇🫑🇫🇷
fantastic videos! enjoying very much! just ordered Wine Folly magnum edition on Amazon. wishing every success!
I’ll definitely have to try a Loire valley Cab Franc. I’ve been doing tastings over the last few months in the Washington AVAs and I keep coming across Cab Franc single varietals. Personally, so far I’ve grown to very much dislike it, not a fan of strong herbal notes in my reds.
That aside, for those that do like that style, Terra Blanca in Red Mountain, WA makes a really interesting one that tastes like smoked jalapeño peppers.
You should put the wines you taste in each video in the comments section. :)
Ninja Edit: I’m so glad you did a Cab Franc video, my favorite grape.
I LOVE it non fruity!! Definitely one of my favorite grapes.
Wonderful video ! Loved it! Thanks so much!! 🥰🥰
Great video! I like the Cab Francs from Napa and Sonoma. But I've found some very intriguing examples in Santa Barbara County. Will have to try the Loire wines sometime.
Watched this again - love it and man! Huge differences between FR and Napa! Big Napa fan for me! When you get a chance, try the Reverie II sometime - insane!
CF is a very tasty grape. I always gravitate towards it in blends where I think it brings a lot of character and interest. Loire wines are getting hard to find but chinon is a wonderful area to explore.
Madeline, Thanks for the great discussion on Cabernet Franc.
Cab franc is sounding a lot like modern African coffees, where the lemony, herbaceous notes are becoming the distinguishing features
Love this point.
Cab Franc is an under recognized grape. When done right it makes a magnificent wine. I like both styles (New & Old World) in different ways. Each style speaks a different story to me.
Madeline, I want to get into red Bourdeux's .
My questions are....
What is the best vintage that you can get at a lower to mid price point?
Does the wine label state if the wine is from the Right Bank or Left Bank?
Lastly, I seem to like wines that have earthy. Mushroom subtle flavors in it aka (Funk).
Can you suggest a wine or 2?
LOIRE FO LIFE!!.....for many years, the only Cab Franc I get excited about.
I've had "serious fancy" stuff from Napa and Alexander Valley, and it's all, fine....nice wine. But not my style at all. The best Cab Franc's from Chinon, Bourgueil, Touraine, are some of the most versatile wines EVER!....and for between $15-25 you can get a stellar bottle! ......imho ;-)
Lots of great cabernet franc's coming from Washington State, too! A few good ones to try - and pretty famous in these parts - are from Barrister Winery in Spokane, WA and Walla Walla Vintners in Walla Walla, Washington. Both are bigger styles of the wine - total blueberry pie flavors with a dollop of vanilla bean spiked whipped cream, and a few fresh blackberries on the side. Find them and try them!
Great fun! Thx!
I'm a fan of Gibbs winery.
Great tasting! I’ve become a big fan of your videos and hope you keep them coming. Would love to see some graphics added as well, maybe a flavor wheel or bold descriptors popping up. Keep on the education and inebriation.
Probably gotta hire someone to integrate all my designs... sheesh. You're ideas are expensive! But still, yeah, I totally need to do that.
Took me quite a while before I came to appreciate Cabernet Franc. Not to everyone’s taste! This vid reminds me to revisit some examples, and try some new ones from outside the Loire.
I describe Cab Franc as having a “metallic” taste, which probably only means something to me. However when I, even faintly, detected that flavour in claret, it invariably turned out that it had some Cab Franc in the blend. A rare success highlight in my tasting “career”.
Cold region hands down. I also like blaufrankish. I was just in Walla Walla and they were doing some kick ass cab franc Rose's and beautiful syrah from the Rocks District just like a Du Pape. Amazing and affordable trip.
Love cab franc, but can only get Chinon in my area on a consistent basis.
Fantastic video!
Thanks you, it's probably time I familiarised myself with reds from the Loire, will definitely start looking for Anjou.
You are amazing! For some reason I absorb everything you say as opposed to most soms in which it goes in one ear and literally out of the other. You’re so down to earth about it. I’m a server in a couple restaurants in San Francisco and I’m trying to get better at understanding and describing wine and you’re really helping me right now so thank you!
Awesome, thank you!
It’s so much better when you don’t spit the wine out. Le Macchiole Paleo Rosso. 100% Cabernet Franc. Very nice. You have the voice. You have the presence. You’re honest. The content is interesting.
Good call out. yes. agreed.
Love Cab Franc! Thumbs up to both styles.
British Columbia does some pretty good Cab Franc. Also great Channel! I wish you taught my WSET hahaha!!
Just ordered 10 plants. Lower Michigan. Cab Franc. Hoping for years of a good harvest vs cold (death) winters :-) Thanks for the video. New Sub.
Madeline,
Is it possible that the California wine was not 100% Cab Franc, thus accounting for the differences? My memory, and I could be wrong, is that in California if a wine is 75% of one grape, then you can label the bottle as that grape as opposed to a blend and or meritage. So maybe the Gibbs has some straight Cab or Malbec? Again, I could be wrong.
Main I write to indicate that the Cab Francs from Finger Lakes are surprisingly excellent, especially those from Lamoreaux Landing. I've spend days in both Chinon and Bordeaux tasting and came away very impressed with those from the Finger Lakes. Really enjoy your videos.
Hi Madeleine, great video!! Question, did the Anjou wine have any oak? I know Napa loves their oak but unfamiliar with the Loire/Anjou region...
Jocelyn not typically oak, if any, it would be old, neutral barrels
There is a winery here in Virginia on the outskirts of Harrisonburg making a Cab Franc
So good.
Besides Syrah, Cabernet Franc is my favorite varietal. Having tried many different wine region's standalone versions of Cabernet Franc, I would have to say I prefer California, Washington State and Argentina to France. I appreciate the more lean, earthy, mineral driven style of French Cab Franc, but I really, really dig the more fruit forward styles of New World Cab Franc. *Mouth watering*
Try the Finger lakes Cabernet Franc from Cayuga Lake.
Old World Cab Franc is fabulous ❤️
Thoughts on Barboursville Vineyards VA Cab Franc Reserve?
Not easy finding pure Cabernet Franc wines here.... only as a blending grape with other wines and I really like it
Yay shout out to Ontario! I love a peppery red!
Chinon, Chinon, Chinon, Chinon! For a single varietal Chinon all day, as a blend has to be Bordeaux.
My favorite varietal right now...
I get Cab Franc in the Finger Lakes of New York and in New Jersey. I find that it is very hot or miss as a stand-alone wine. Some wine makers have found the secret to the grapes and other are totally lost.
Ha!👍👍👍. Pencil shavings is one of my favorite descriptors👍👍👍 when I find it. Everyone looks at me funny when I use it! Love me some Cab Franc! I’m an old world fan for Cab Franc, the bramble and the savory are what I want, probably why I like a good Carmenere too! I live in the Finger lakes AVA so have had a few that are closer to a Anjou/Saumer.....but there are a bunch of very fruit forward ones here too....🍷🍷🍷😎😎
I think Cabernet Franc is much better in a blend than as a single-variety-wine and this applies even more to Merlot. There's more interesting grape varieties originated in Bordeaux like Camenère or Petit Verdot.
Why do you count Villany to "heavy" franc reagions? I experienced some quite beautiful fresh examples with more loire style aromas - without being too green. I was at a tasting in siklos castle and none of the presented wines was over the top cooked or dried fruit. Might even be a good place for approachable old world cab francs (not too green and bitter).
Long Island produces a killer Cab Franc. Pellegrini Vinyards is a fine example, pure Loire. A personal favorite. (Usually blended out here, but a slick wine.)
Thanks to you I started getting Gibbs’s wines
My favourite cab franc wines come from Tuscany. The climate there is just perfect for it and the wines tend to be rich and spicy without being overpowering.
I love Cab Franc ❤️
The wine world owes much to this venerable grape, if for nothing else than being the parent grape of Cab Sauv! No better food wine than Cab Franc though. It has a beautiful aroma and a delicious drinkability about it! Hungary you say? I may have to track down an example of that.
Yes! The Villany region in Hungary is an up-and-comer.
I am a winemaker from the Midwest. We source our Cab Franc from Horse Heaven Hills, WA. Wonderful stuff if you’ve never tried any from there. Merlot, Syrah and Cab Sauv great from there too. If you ever want to try some good hybrids let me know. We make some good ones!
In terms of floral notes, I often get violets on the Cabernet Franc.
good call.
Yakima Valley in Washington State. Rattlesnake Mt region AVA.
"Yeah man!"
Don’t forget about Villány in Hungary, great CabFrancs coming out of that region👍🍷
New World Comparison West Coast/Cali-Washington St vs. East Coast/ Niagara Escarpment/ Finger Lakes- Virginia.
Lots of cab franc by me in Rochester ny.
Anjou is my love!!!!!!
So....I don't drink alcohol. When I got a bottle of cabernet franc as gift, I thought I would try it out. Its nothing like what I expected. The way I would describe it was like chewing a bad grape. I swallowed it the moment it went in the mouth. Am I missing something? Do i have to mix it with another drink?
Wine is definitely an acquired taste. It's not sweet and often somewhat bitter (given all those antioxidants!). So, what you do is you take your time with it. You smell it. You sip it. and swirl it around.
Hopefully, it was a good bottle! Maybe start with a wine like Riesling (a white), Shiraz, or Malbec to start acquiring the taste for wine.
What in the world are crunchy tannins? What does that mean??!! I love the way you tell the story of the wines before you try them. BTW, I really enjoy your videos--great content! So, if I had to guess, I think you like the first one better, but you seem to like them both very much.
So as I sit here reflecting on what I just saw, I tend to like dry reds with a good bit of fruitiness, like you described the 2nd wine, but I don't like them overly oaky, so that makes me wonder if I want to try it. As far as the 1st wine goes, I do like a good bit of bitterness--if I'm not having a fruity dry red--but I don't like things overly acidic either. If something is overly acidic, I use it to cook with instead. I mean, you can't waste it!
I think I'm more inclined to try the 1st (old world) wine over the 2nd one, but the thought of green pepper flavor makes me cringe. I am betting, however, that my palate is no where near developed as yours, so I probably won't pick up on that anyway! LOL!
Cheers to you!
Erica Basile texture wise! How it feels sliding my tongue across my palate. Try this next time your tasting red wine
@@Winefolly I can't say I've ever noticed that when drinking wine before, but I will absolutely try to pay closer attention next time I drink a red--which will probably be tonight! LOL! Thanks for responding!
Southwest Michigan has Chinon-like Cab Francs. Come check us out!!
Michael David has a great Ink Blot Cab Franc. You left out Lodi.
Living in California I’ve had many 100% Cab Franc wines From Paso Robles and Santa Barbara vs Chinon. I liked the Chinon but sorry France, the California wine just has more flavor, complexity and finish.
I have been making wine for over 50 years now (early days were wines made from fruit other than grapes). I have made wine from many grape varieties and and even while working at a commercial winery in Northern Virginia, I can tell you that NO varietal smells like pencil shavings. What you describe comes form NEW OAK and NOT the variety. You can take almost ANY red wine from ANY region and age it in new oak barrels or with oak cubes, spirals oak extracts etc and get that "Pencil" shavings aroma and taste. I do not like it but some people who do not have knowledge of how wine actually smells and taste before going into a barrel think that is the way red wine is supposed to taste. One way some commercial winemakers cover up inferior wines is to oak the hell out of them with new oak. If I wanted that taste, I will lick a cigar box or pencil shavings but WINE is not supposed to smell or taste like that. So much for your expertise on wine. P.S. being retired, I also have my own backyard vineyard and produce about 75gallons a year from my own Cabernet Franc, Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot. I live in Maryland just across the Potomac River from the Northern Virginia Wind area. I like to age my wine in barrels that are not new. If i get a new barrel, I let the first fill be in there a very short amount of time to AVOID that Pencil Shaving smell and taste.
How about trying some Washington state wines so good juice up here
that studio in the background is in Woodinville. Can you believe it?!
L'Ecole and Trust Cellars!
Old world for me, not a fan of the big over oaked wines coming out of Cali, not all over oaked but the good wines are quite pricy.
Nothing wrong with a classic!
Anyone that has drank Olga Raffault or Charles Joguet knows the difference between French wine and New World.
The world should prove the brasilian cab franc especially from Minas Gerais the best!!
I love old world CF because they kind of give the finger to the cab name and do their own thing. Typical, well produced cab sav give off leather, oak and tabacco straight away. Cab Franc is like, nope we're not going that way. Even if we're cooler climate, we're doing our own jam, as in your video tasting notes.
love cab franc....descriptions are a little to Gary Vee for me but I get where you're going....
Not interested in wines that play on bitterness, like Saint Peray. However, some cool climate Cab franc is ok, like from Loire Valley, Ontario.
i don't know so well a cab. fr. of the "new world" , but i have to say often i feel a massive use of wood inside that. French winemakers use the wood in a more balanced way, in Loire many wines C.F don't have the barrique in winemaking/aging, just steel ( this depends on the area, winmaker style, age of grapes...) . in Italia i prefer the C.F. of the eastern region ( Friuli Venezia Giulia) , vs a Tuscany region...tuscany is more warm, in my opinion C.F. prefers a cold environment ..it's a elegant and fine grapes, with a spiced fruit balanced with acidity and a little texture of tannins. the little aroma of " vegetable " is a characteristic of C.F. . and a C.F. in Tuscany ( generally all the wines there) are too much expensive in relationship quality...too much warm there for C.F...ok for assembling with C.S. ( sassicaia or any other supertuscans) , but... if i must drink a Bordeaux assembling in Tuscany, better drink a real Bordeaux...more elegant and probably less expensive( except cru classé). so...for me better a Loire C.F. , and for a USA C.F. ...i don't know...send me some bottle for a testing !! Cheers and sorry for my english
it's not a horrible aroma...it's amazing!!! when in balance
Terry Hsiao “herbal” but, it did sound like “horrible” sorry!
@@Winefolly lol hahaha
For sure, Loire rules bout CF. Nobody even close like that
Awesome...my favotite grape🥇...here in my beautiful 🇦🇷🇦🇷we have some nice Frankie wines you might have to enjoy
You guys got a LOT of Cab Franc potential over there in Argentina. :)
thank you
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Question Madeline, I have a huge passion for wine. I'd love to be a som but I'm not in the industry. Would you recommend it even if its not in my field?
I mean, I lost my job in 2008 as a graphic designer and started polishing glassware at a wine bar in Reno, NV. If I can do it, so can you. Just add passion and unwillingness to give up.
Not a big fan of Cabernet Franc on its own; I think it is better as a blending wine. That being said, I would give the nod to French Cabernet Franc over California Cabernet Franc. Too many California Cab Francs are alcohol monsters, with ABV of 15% or higher. Many people may not realize that many Bordeaux wines, especially those from the right bank, contain significant amounts of Cabernet Franc, and there are a few that are 100% Cab Franc. To me, the best thing about Cabernet Franc is its delightful aroma.
daver8521 cool thanks for the comment. I like Cabernet franc. You don't see me commenting on videos of things you like bashing.
@@Gaviid Sorry if you took offense. Just expressing my opinion. Did not mean to ruffle anyone's feathers!
Cabernet Franc has a special rusticity.
Give Penns Woods Cabernet Franc from Pennsylvania. You'll be pleasantly surprised!
You are adorable!! I tried a Cab Franc from a local vineyard here in RI and it wasn’t really a fan. It wasn’t bad it just wasn’t my taste. I definitely like the fruitier reds. You make the Gibbs sound good though.
WHOA there must only be a few acres of Cab Franc in Rhode Island. Very cool climate for that grape!
Wine Folly Newport Vineyards is on 65 acres of land and they grow 17 different grapes so you may well be right!
Wine Folly They are almost right on the water. Makes the climate perfect!
Elderberry wine pretty much ruined grape wine for me. About like saltwater fishing ruined fresh water fishing for me.
Ma
Madeline is a little mad!!!
As I get deeper into this channel I can say not only does she have great taste in wine, she also has a great taste in clothes
When you gonna taste some Finger Lakes wine?
We have some great Cab Franc, dry Riesling, guwertztraminer, pinot blanc, chardonnay, and at very good prices
Yes, and I had some rkatsitelli that blew my mind. SO UNEXPECTED. And Grüner from "Inspire Moore"
@@Winefolly Yay! love Dr. Franks rkatsitelli! thanks for the reply, I love your videos
Rkatsiteli 2017 Konstantin Frank , Awesome Florals. Cab Franc from Cayuga Lake Hosmer/ Sheldrake Pont are some of my favorite Finger Lakes Reds!
Cab franc the father of cab sav.🍷🇨🇦
Sure is a lot easier to pronounce than Sauvignon
old world please.
👍 Yeah... From Italy.
Where the cool drum music intro? lol miss it
Okay, so I totally love it too. BUT APPARENTLY, people were telling me that it sounded juvenile. So, I traded it out with the instrumental to a track I produced back in the day! I wrote that! crazy! I can't imagine coding drum tracks today.
Wine Folly that's dope haha. And not juvenile at all! It matches your vibe; by chance do u know where I could find said track?
Talk about mexican wines 🙂
But to compare a roughly 10 € wine to a 30 € wine merely because they are varietals of the same grape ?
Soteriologist good point, but that’s not much of a price difference comparatively speaking. Also these two wines have very different costs-to-produce. Making wine in a Napa Valley style means barrels and they can very expensive, plus the cost of real estate means the fruit (grape) price is much higher because it is grown in Napa Valley - the same way a small house is much more expensive if it’s on beach front property
@@Harry-ju8yw More reasons for my philosophy: stick to old world territory :D
i am so glad you are not spitting these wines out and gauging the wines all the way down!