*** I’ll save you the 13 minutes, they don’t say anything about the red light therapy, they tell you to subscribe to the paid service in order to get the answer. This was very misleading and disheartening…
Thank you! I too find their practice of no-information -unless-you-paid really disgusting. Poor Attia, he would go broke if he shared some useful info with the viewers who bring him $$$$$$. I would not subscribe to his AMAs on principle!
After more than a year listening to Aria, I found out that he is just regurgitating what is trending elsewhere and just adding his credibility to the mix and. Harding for the same information.
I turned 64 this year, and for the past two years, I’ve had a frozen shoulder that made everyday movements-like reaching for a cup-painful. I initially tried a red light therapy small panel from one company, but it wasn’t powerful enough. After switching to the Future Form Official Panel 500, I did two sessions a day (morning and evening) for 10 minutes on my shoulder. It took about five weeks, but now I have almost full range of motion again. My physical therapist was shocked! Plus, my skin looks smoother-something I hadn’t even expected.
I'm very disappointed. 13 minutes to say almost nothing about red light therapy and to then pass on bogus info on penetration depth. 1) Multiple studies show red light therapy penetrates to depths of 4-5mm, not 1-2mm. 2) A simply flashlight test in my bathroom shows that I get penetration all the way through my fingertips with just a standard flashlight. That's 10mm or more. And yes, that's red light. The other colors get blocked and you only see red (and quite clearly) through the fingernails. And if I use a 650nm 5mw laser, I can see that easily penetrating 18mm all the way through my index finger - at the knuckle. The red LED tailight I use on my bicyle (not a laser) also penetrates the 18 mm through my knuckle and shines pretty brightly through my cheek as well. That's a distance of about 12mm and it is clearly seen. You don't even need to be in a darkened room to see the light causing the outside cheek to glow red. And further, I have a darker than average complexion. Do your own search for red light penetration depth. I don't think RUclips allows links to be embedded in comments which is why I add the comments hear. To learn more about red light therapy from non quakery sources, look for MedCram videos on RUclips on the topic. Also, I'm not some crackpot promoting red light therapy devices. Sunlight provides huge amounts or red and IR light. I make it a point to spend time in the sun with my shirt off. I do this especially in the mornings where UV light is at its lowest levels. And keep in mind that IR passes easily through most thin clothing. I hope the complete AMA does a better job than this snippet suggests. This early snippet appears to be introducing a bias from the outset. Or maybe they just made a mistake. I hope it's the latter.
@@blinkyschannel I guess that all depends on the mechanism of action and a myriad of possible interactions. I do think that most "remedies" tend to be overhyped based on mechanisms and seemingly logical consequences of such mechanisms. If something shows promise, next thing you know someone is touting it as the cure-all for all sorts of things. But the benefits almost always end up being far less impressive. Nonetheless, if you are going to evaluate red light therapy and spend 13 minutes on RUclips covering the fundamentals of light and how it is absorbed by the human body, you should probably get things like penetration depth correct.
Oh it can go a whole lot deeper than 5mm. You start using (low-level "cold") lasers in the 810nm to 1070nm wavelengths and there's nothing in the body you can't reach. Take a look at the Neuradiant 1070 helmet or some of the stuff that neurologists are using in the clinical setting. It has a lot to do with wavelength and intensity. Your average panel you get off the internet says it's 300W but it really gives off about as much light as a 150W incandescent bulb and draws about 80W of power from the wall, so don't expect a whole lot more than a few mm penetration. A professional bed at a gym or salon will use something like 10,000W.
I think you should offer subscriber tiers. $20 a month is a lot for a single subscription to a single podcast for most people. We live in a subscription heavy world and subscription costs add up a lot. $5 a month to at least get to watch the full AMA videos without being able to submit questions and maybe get access to the premium articles would probably get you a lot more subscribers and make you more money overall. Just throwing it out there.
I would like to add a suggestion that the tiers be based on affinity perhaps. There are likely subscribers who listen/read as an adjunct to their learning as medical professionals. Then there are those of us who wish to join for personal health and learning, we won't likely consume all of the content but only what applies to us and is more easily understood. I don't know how you'd segment the offering(s) but just a suggestion to segment based on the audience.
I do feel like the cost model further increases.Health inequalities faced by those who have financial challenges or other social economic issues. Arguably , these individuals are those that need this free information more than anyone else
@@littlevoice_11The amount of information that’s free is astounding. I started watching Attia’s RUclips channel 3 months ago, added zone2 and 4x4 to my weekly routine (on top of ~2x/week lifting I’ve been doing), increased protein in my macro… I’m 16 pounds lighter, six-packs become visible and feeling stronger than ever going to my mid-50’s. Mr. Attia’s free and actionable advice can be condensed down to 15 minutes. It’s up to you to implement and execute.
He was unprepared and was not familiar with the wealth of empirical studies on Photobiomodulation. Extremely disappointing given his academic standing in other areas. If he were my student, he earned an. “F” grade on this video.
0:09 says sneak peek but I guess it's easy to miss that. In the podcast they have a full warning at the beginning, it impossible to miss. It doesn't bother me, he puts so much free content in this channel anyway. I just ignore the AMA in general or try to get the gist of the topic and then research it on my own elsewhere.
Red light panel done consistently has proven excellent results for me, a skin cancer patient. Additionally, when I pulled a leg ligament this summer, in addition to stretching and strengthening exercises, I was able to within 3 weeks go hiking successfully for a week in mountains. I did bandage my Anke for support, but I cannot recommend the red light/ near infrared light more, from experience. My eye dr is concerned about eye damage, so I make sure to use good goggles plus spf. Buy good products, not cheap stuff, my opinion only…it’s a cellular light, won’t take out tumors, but skin at 70 looks amazingly better….
Low power red light of 670 nanometres of 8 milliwatts per cm2 can slow the ageing of your eyes when used once a week in the morning (it must be in the morning, no affect after that) for 3 minutes in particular if you are 40 and over. The retina is the organ in your body that uses the most energy of any organ (more than the brain) and this light helps to charge the mitochondria in the retina. I have been using it for a year and have slowed the ageing of my eyes, improved night and color vision (I'm not kidding). See the work of Professor Glen Jeffery online or interviews with him on youtube.
It's pretty frustrating when, as a member, I try to hear the complete AMA and it's not yet dropped on the member site. I first heard about RLT when my dog had an ACL sprain and I discovered that trainers use RLT to repair racehorse tendons. Those are pretty pricey beasts! At the time, I did not trust the quality of Amazon's RLT device offerings so I did not purchase. For the past 7 years I have gone to a "recovery spa" (for lack of a better term) where several D1 college athletes frequent (one is up for the Heisman) for RLT, cryo and compression. Dr. A - tell your wife the collagen stimulating results on my 62 year old skin are amazing (along with the advise from one of your earliest podcast guests, a dermatologist, to use retinoid cream on face and hands. Thank you for sharing your knowledge! The show notes to your podcasts are worth the price of a subscription - thank you.
For those who don't know, ATP (adenosine triphosphate) has high energy bonds that float around in the cellular soup, and these bonds get spent where they are needed. More ATP means more energy for cells.
I have Mitocondrial dysfunction which has caused pain across my whole body ever since 2005. In 2009 I figured out that infrared reduced my pain levels. I started sleeping under a 20 watt infrared blanket that was 2’x3’ so it covered half my body. If I used 2 blankets I was too hot. When I had this on my legs for a week my chest and arms hurt way more than my legs. So I would switch it to my upper body. Reducing my chest and arm pain. And my legs would start to hurt more. I started rapamycin 3mg daily (a slightly dangerous dose) and my pain has reduced enough the red light blanket is not needed as much. But I still use it.
Venture heat Is the brand I have been using. I like the fact that the energy going through the blanket is DC not AC. Like I said I sleep under this every night. So their output is not super high but that doesn’t matter if you are under it for 8 hours. It is not rated to be underneath you unless you are awake. I use the 24”x36”. I purchased 2 in 2016 one in 2018 and one in 2022. They have a 12 month warranty which I have used twice. The new one seems to be built much better. It has lasted longer than the others. I also use the 12”x18” one on a 12v battery pack for my hands during the day sometimes.
For clarity, the wavelength of near-infrared is longer than of visible red. When looking at red light therapy I was put off by the statement that infrared penetrates deeper because longer wavelengths penetrate LESS. However, I found that the penetration for infrared was affected by other factors, such as greater absorption of red vs infrared in the superficial aspects of the dermis. Secondly, much of the therapeutic effect is thought to be by the impact on blood cells in superficial capillaries, which circulate throughout the entire body. Thus far I have not seen, although they may exist, refereed studies detailing and quantifying these effects.
I got a 45 watt infrared light and put it in a desk lamp. I have extreme head muscle tension do to mitochondrial issues. 1 hour under the red light greatly reduces my head tension and pain. Not as much as the Botox treatments I get but it is extremely helpful to break a new pain cycle
I just subscribed as a member on your website, but I don't see this AMA yet. When will it be published. I was planning on buying a red light panel during the upcoming sales, so was wondering what is the timeline for publishing this AMA. I have done as much research as I can on red light therapy and was using a face mask where I saw a big improvement in the appearance of my skin. I have arthritis so I was hoping to use a red light panel for inflammation and pain relief, in conjunction with the physical therapy and exercises I do to. Thanks!
Gotta say as a premium member I wish I was able to listen to the entire thing after getting this teaser. Should be the other way around post it to subscribers then post the teaser to everyone else.
I've had Eczema on the palms of my hands for over 6 months, steroids and continued moisturing helped very little and nothing was healing it or taking out the red inflammation, so last Wednesday I decided to try my LED light, blue light and infra red light and next day it started to heal.. my hands are almost naxk to normal..whether that's just coincidence or not I don't know but it's the only thing I've done different..I totally believe it's the LED light
As discussed, red light has mixed evidence and I suspect that's because the biggest impact is not using red light, but a reduction in blue light. Blue light affects humans quite broadly and uniformly. Removing blue light is, in my experience, more important than using red light. Avoiding blue light from screens throughout the entire day (changing screen color by activating night light settings 100% of the time) has reduced my headaches quite substantially. That solution is probably pretty odd for most people, but I use screens far more than 8 hours a day, and bad headaches are a certainty if I don't adjust color settings to remove blue light.
Blue light has a damaging effect on mitochondria apparently , where red light can have a protecting effect (I guess there's a limit and only short bursts needed)
That's unlikely the case. Yes, blue light has an affect on sleep patterns and certain hormone release and that's why it can have negative effects especially at night. But this effect is cause by blue light getting to the eyes. Red light therapy does not reduce blue light to the eyes. It merely adds more red light. Also, for therapies that rely on deeper penetration, blue light just doesn't go nearly as deep as does red light and near infrared light.
I just bought the red/infrared lights and became discouraged. The info booklet says not to use on any benign tumors. As we age I presume we all have something benign inside of us. It seems that the light makes us grow, like plants.
My mother in law Dr Roberta Chow PhD is likely the world's leading doctor using red light therapy for MSK pain management. Published in The Lancet in 2009. This modality is the real deal but just like anything in medicine, it doesn't work for all people all the time. Its a non-invasive, non-drug treatment. There is no downside to using it for any number of indications. You should interview her Peter
Waste of time. They introduce the topic and then promise to give the information you think you are going to get if you pay $20 to listen to what they have to say off RUclips. Don’t support this channel by listening to the ads and watching to the end. Lots of good videos on RUclips that deliver.
The product I am planning to buy is red AND Blue light and infra red . Is that the same as what you are addressing. And yes when will episode drop? Thank you.
Oh, wow. After flying to Missouri to be evaluated in person by Dr. Shealy, I used one of his inventions a Gamma P.E.M.F (Pulsed Electromagnetic Field) every day up to 12 hours a day often sleeping with it around my neck for 4 1/2 years.
Peter I want to thank you for your preventative approach to health. Your book is excellent and I've used various tests and ways to improve. I am in better health now than I've been in a long time. I do have a comment concerning red light therapy. About 6 years ago, I read a book about red light and then purchased a red light from Canada with the red light and infra red light power you spoke about. I started with a small one particularly for a hip issue. I did not want to take medicine for the pain, so I used it mainly at night for 15 to 20 minutes and the pain would go away. With the results I had, I investigated more into red light and bought a larger one that covered more of my body. I do understand that there are now many devices on the market and we have to be careful what we're using. I also understand that many people are looking for EASY and don't want to do something they have to work at and may give a lot better results. But based on my experience the last 6 years using red light correctly along with those other things (like diet and exercise) I don't think was a waste of time. I think it's helped my health improvements.
I dont think the whole red light only penetrating a few mm idea is accurate , if you shine red light directly on your fingers you can see it go right through to the other side
People are basing that off studies using mathematical models which clearly are not effective , when you can see the light for yourself going through fingers even if the light source isn't pressed against them Studies on cadavers even show it going a few centimeters in shined on the skull
If you shine it on your palm where its thicker you see some come through still if the source is good enough But for thicker places it won't so optimally might be using it on one side of the body then the other side after
Correct. I can easily see 18mm of red light penetration on my index finger. So presumably near infrared penetrates even deeper. Furthermore, the studies I've shown typically talk about depths on the order of 4-5mm for red light. That seems short to me given my direct observations. So maybe they really mean penetration at some particular level of attenuation. But if that's the case and especially if that level is below the level easily perceived by the human eye, they really should say so. Failing to do so seem counter-scientific to me.
Yeah I looked it up and they are based on mathematical models, not accurate, in other studies tested on cadaver heads they show it penetrating centimeters And also only 1-4 minutes is needed for the effect at least at 40mw/cm2 intensity and maybe less, the ATP boost is a delayed effect (so longer isnt better just need the activation) I'm gonna try it one side of body then turning around , couple minutes each side a morning
Oh Peter, let your Mrs buy stuff.... There is some good data already on red light benefits. I vote Mrs Attia needs her redlight gadgets, girls power 😂💪😉
It doesn’t make any sense to me why columnated red light would penetrate more deeply than non-collimated light for the same wavelength. depth of penetration should be dependent only on wavelength if I remember correctly
It is only dependent on the wavelength. Maybe what he refers is that low energy wavelengths can be added into a single focal point, producing a higher energy like in multi photon microscopy.
and the critical cytochrome c oxidase enzyme requires ceruloplasmin with its bio available copper...when was the last time you supported its production or tested for it?...🌀
Nope. When is enough money enough? (1) If a channel is doing well, the content creator is paid well. (2) advertisers pay for a few seconds of the creators time (3) there are usually links to products mentioned. If a subscriber buys an item the creator earns X % for that sale. (4) These episodes are usually played on Spotify etc. Yet another source of revenue. Now we're adding on patreon, paid subscriptions etc. It's to the point that I'm ready to throw in the YT towel. Btw my insurance will pay for a doctor visit where he/she will explain red light therapy. We already know the higher the # (800+) the deeper it penetrates the skin. If you want it to reach muscle for healing etc you'll want atleast 800+. Otherwise it's superficial. It may help the appearance of your skin. Another reputable Doctor on another channel will explain this in about 3 minutes without you paying extra. ✌🏻
@@liam3067 But unless saunas are now coming out with red light built in, the light emitted in a far infrared sauna is not the same thing as the panels being so for light therapy. I have both.
I found this to be an excellent discussion. I’ve worked for both not for profit and for profit payers and two state Healthcare Marketplaces. The depth and accuracy of this topic was appreciated. Thank you.
Thanks very much. I'm not sure your figures on penetration are correct, I know it depends on the type of light, power, distance away and wavelength, however there are a lot of specialists quoting red light going through the body and being measured on the other side, photos showing penetration through the hand, physicists measuring penetration of greater depth in the body. It might be useful to do more work on that.
for nearly one million subs, you seem to be out of touch with them all. I just stoppbed by, didn't stay for more than the time it took to read a handful of comments. So long!
Dr. Glen Jeffrey is by far the most authoritative expert on infrared light therapy. He gives a tour de force explanation in this presentation ruclips.net/video/yllNLJi1S0Q/видео.html
Nothing, I mean nothing of value is said. He gives except the basics of light and wave lengths and wave penetration. Just another major disappointment from Attia.
If they really want to get subscribers, they need to be more helpful than posting a useless fragment of a longer video. This kind of bait and switch is dishonest and does not inspire trust in your paid content.
ugh... you gotta be kidding me. What a HUGE waste of time. Used to respect you as a trusted voice in this space after reading your book... But literally who the f puts out videos like this?? This is a completely useless video. Won't be clicking on anything from your channel again and will actually probably mute your channel tbh. Really cheap trick to get more clicks... but I think on the net you are putting off more people than you are enticing. Take this dumb teaser video down, you're doing more harm than good with it.
*** I’ll save you the 13 minutes, they don’t say anything about the red light therapy, they tell you to subscribe to the paid service in order to get the answer. This was very misleading and disheartening…
Thank you beautiful - I skipped the video base d on your comment :)
Thank you! I too find their practice of no-information -unless-you-paid really disgusting. Poor Attia, he would go broke if he shared some useful info with the viewers who bring him $$$$$$.
I would not subscribe to his AMAs on principle!
Saw your comment too late. It's a misleading teaser with no info
After more than a year listening to Aria, I found out that he is just regurgitating what is trending elsewhere and just adding his credibility to the mix and. Harding for the same information.
Agree! He used to be interesting, but something changed. Glad I didn’t waste time on this video. MedCram and Huberman are good for red-light info.
I turned 64 this year, and for the past two years, I’ve had a frozen shoulder that made everyday movements-like reaching for a cup-painful. I initially tried a red light therapy small panel from one company, but it wasn’t powerful enough. After switching to the Future Form Official Panel 500, I did two sessions a day (morning and evening) for 10 minutes on my shoulder. It took about five weeks, but now I have almost full range of motion again. My physical therapist was shocked! Plus, my skin looks smoother-something I hadn’t even expected.
I'm very disappointed. 13 minutes to say almost nothing about red light therapy and to then pass on bogus info on penetration depth.
1) Multiple studies show red light therapy penetrates to depths of 4-5mm, not 1-2mm.
2) A simply flashlight test in my bathroom shows that I get penetration all the way through my fingertips with just a standard flashlight. That's 10mm or more. And yes, that's red light. The other colors get blocked and you only see red (and quite clearly) through the fingernails. And if I use a 650nm 5mw laser, I can see that easily penetrating 18mm all the way through my index finger - at the knuckle. The red LED tailight I use on my bicyle (not a laser) also penetrates the 18 mm through my knuckle and shines pretty brightly through my cheek as well. That's a distance of about 12mm and it is clearly seen. You don't even need to be in a darkened room to see the light causing the outside cheek to glow red. And further, I have a darker than average complexion.
Do your own search for red light penetration depth. I don't think RUclips allows links to be embedded in comments which is why I add the comments hear. To learn more about red light therapy from non quakery sources, look for MedCram videos on RUclips on the topic. Also, I'm not some crackpot promoting red light therapy devices. Sunlight provides huge amounts or red and IR light. I make it a point to spend time in the sun with my shirt off. I do this especially in the mornings where UV light is at its lowest levels. And keep in mind that IR passes easily through most thin clothing.
I hope the complete AMA does a better job than this snippet suggests. This early snippet appears to be introducing a bias from the outset. Or maybe they just made a mistake. I hope it's the latter.
Exactly, not to mention the red light that is absorbed being passed along to create systemic effects
Thanks for the recommendation to MedCram. I’ll look at it
@@blinkyschannel I guess that all depends on the mechanism of action and a myriad of possible interactions. I do think that most "remedies" tend to be overhyped based on mechanisms and seemingly logical consequences of such mechanisms. If something shows promise, next thing you know someone is touting it as the cure-all for all sorts of things. But the benefits almost always end up being far less impressive.
Nonetheless, if you are going to evaluate red light therapy and spend 13 minutes on RUclips covering the fundamentals of light and how it is absorbed by the human body, you should probably get things like penetration depth correct.
Oh it can go a whole lot deeper than 5mm. You start using (low-level "cold") lasers in the 810nm to 1070nm wavelengths and there's nothing in the body you can't reach. Take a look at the Neuradiant 1070 helmet or some of the stuff that neurologists are using in the clinical setting. It has a lot to do with wavelength and intensity. Your average panel you get off the internet says it's 300W but it really gives off about as much light as a 150W incandescent bulb and draws about 80W of power from the wall, so don't expect a whole lot more than a few mm penetration. A professional bed at a gym or salon will use something like 10,000W.
Thank you!! Just found him because I was following the link to the conversation with Dr. Marty Makary.
I think you should offer subscriber tiers. $20 a month is a lot for a single subscription to a single podcast for most people. We live in a subscription heavy world and subscription costs add up a lot. $5 a month to at least get to watch the full AMA videos without being able to submit questions and maybe get access to the premium articles would probably get you a lot more subscribers and make you more money overall. Just throwing it out there.
I would like to add a suggestion that the tiers be based on affinity perhaps. There are likely subscribers who listen/read as an adjunct to their learning as medical professionals. Then there are those of us who wish to join for personal health and learning, we won't likely consume all of the content but only what applies to us and is more easily understood. I don't know how you'd segment the offering(s) but just a suggestion to segment based on the audience.
I do feel like the cost model further increases.Health inequalities faced by those who have financial challenges or other social economic issues. Arguably , these individuals are those that need this free information more than anyone else
I agree
@@littlevoice_11The amount of information that’s free is astounding. I started watching Attia’s RUclips channel 3 months ago, added zone2 and 4x4 to my weekly routine (on top of ~2x/week lifting I’ve been doing), increased protein in my macro… I’m 16 pounds lighter, six-packs become visible and feeling stronger than ever going to my mid-50’s. Mr. Attia’s free and actionable advice can be condensed down to 15 minutes. It’s up to you to implement and execute.
he only wants aspiring c suite and celebs. 100k retainer (precovid) for his concierge medical service. what did you expect?
Waste of time clickbait. Doesn’t get to content. The content requires subscription.
I'm so happy with my red light panel from Future Form Official! My skin has improved so much, and their prices are reasonable.
It would be professional to share at the start of the session that it’s not the whole thing. I am unsubscribing from the emails etc.
He was unprepared and was not familiar with the wealth of empirical studies on Photobiomodulation. Extremely disappointing given his academic standing in other areas. If he were my student, he earned an. “F” grade on this video.
0:09 says sneak peek but I guess it's easy to miss that. In the podcast they have a full warning at the beginning, it impossible to miss. It doesn't bother me, he puts so much free content in this channel anyway. I just ignore the AMA in general or try to get the gist of the topic and then research it on my own elsewhere.
Red light panel done consistently has proven excellent results for me, a skin cancer patient. Additionally, when I pulled a leg ligament this summer, in addition to stretching and strengthening exercises, I was able to within 3 weeks go hiking successfully for a week in mountains. I did bandage my Anke for support, but I cannot recommend the red light/ near infrared light more, from experience. My eye dr is concerned about eye damage, so I make sure to use good goggles plus spf. Buy good products, not cheap stuff, my opinion only…it’s a cellular light, won’t take out tumors, but skin at 70 looks amazingly better….
What kind of lamp is good but won’t break the bank?
Low power red light of 670 nanometres of 8 milliwatts per cm2 can slow the ageing of your eyes when used once a week in the morning (it must be in the morning, no affect after that) for 3 minutes in particular if you are 40 and over. The retina is the organ in your body that uses the most energy of any organ (more than the brain) and this light helps to charge the mitochondria in the retina. I have been using it for a year and have slowed the ageing of my eyes, improved night and color vision (I'm not kidding). See the work of Professor Glen Jeffery online or interviews with him on youtube.
Which red light do you use
It's pretty frustrating when, as a member, I try to hear the complete AMA and it's not yet dropped on the member site. I first heard about RLT when my dog had an ACL sprain and I discovered that trainers use RLT to repair racehorse tendons. Those are pretty pricey beasts! At the time, I did not trust the quality of Amazon's RLT device offerings so I did not purchase. For the past 7 years I have gone to a "recovery spa" (for lack of a better term) where several D1 college athletes frequent (one is up for the Heisman) for RLT, cryo and compression. Dr. A - tell your wife the collagen stimulating results on my 62 year old skin are amazing (along with the advise from one of your earliest podcast guests, a dermatologist, to use retinoid cream on face and hands. Thank you for sharing your knowledge! The show notes to your podcasts are worth the price of a subscription - thank you.
For those who don't know, ATP (adenosine triphosphate) has high energy bonds that float around in the cellular soup, and these bonds get spent where they are needed. More ATP means more energy for cells.
0:13 “Thanks for having me back.”
“Well you’re my boss, so…. anytime.”
I have Mitocondrial dysfunction which has caused pain across my whole body ever since 2005. In 2009 I figured out that infrared reduced my pain levels. I started sleeping under a 20 watt infrared blanket that was 2’x3’ so it covered half my body. If I used 2 blankets I was too hot.
When I had this on my legs for a week my chest and arms hurt way more than my legs. So I would switch it to my upper body. Reducing my chest and arm pain. And my legs would start to hurt more.
I started rapamycin 3mg daily (a slightly dangerous dose) and my pain has reduced enough the red light blanket is not needed as much. But I still use it.
What blanket did you use?
Venture heat Is the brand I have been using. I like the fact that the energy going through the blanket is DC not AC. Like I said I sleep under this every night. So their output is not super high but that doesn’t matter if you are under it for 8 hours.
It is not rated to be underneath you unless you are awake. I use the 24”x36”. I purchased 2 in 2016 one in 2018 and one in 2022. They have a 12 month warranty which I have used twice. The new one seems to be built much better. It has lasted longer than the others.
I also use the 12”x18” one on a 12v battery pack for my hands during the day sometimes.
For clarity, the wavelength of near-infrared is longer than of visible red. When looking at red light therapy I was put off by the statement that infrared penetrates deeper because longer wavelengths penetrate LESS. However, I found that the penetration for infrared was affected by other factors, such as greater absorption of red vs infrared in the superficial aspects of the dermis. Secondly, much of the therapeutic effect is thought to be by the impact on blood cells in superficial capillaries, which circulate throughout the entire body. Thus far I have not seen, although they may exist, refereed studies detailing and quantifying these effects.
Click bait $$$
I got a 45 watt infrared light and put it in a desk lamp. I have extreme head muscle tension do to mitochondrial issues. 1 hour under the red light greatly reduces my head tension and pain. Not as much as the Botox treatments I get but it is extremely helpful to break a new pain cycle
Incredible results! I'll definitely try red light therapy for my skin.
I just subscribed as a member on your website, but I don't see this AMA yet. When will it be published. I was planning on buying a red light panel during the upcoming sales, so was wondering what is the timeline for publishing this AMA. I have done as much research as I can on red light therapy and was using a face mask where I saw a big improvement in the appearance of my skin. I have arthritis so I was hoping to use a red light panel for inflammation and pain relief, in conjunction with the physical therapy and exercises I do to. Thanks!
I would guess tomorrow. But I’m not sure.
Alex Fergus is a good source and mentions BF sales
@@cindysmallwood2695 Yes I do follow Alex. Thanks.
Oh I wish this episode was free to listen to in full 😢
You may find some Medrcram videos on the topic worthwhile. Medcram is very much research and science oriented.
Gotta say as a premium member I wish I was able to listen to the entire thing after getting this teaser. Should be the other way around post it to subscribers then post the teaser to everyone else.
Stop whining.
@ As a business owner I would prefer to hear constructive feedback from my customers. I wasn’t being a dick about it just giving feedback.
13min of my life that are not coming back. It was very disappointing that this snippet is cut just before the information that I expected to hear
Exactly!
I've had Eczema on the palms of my hands for over 6 months, steroids and continued moisturing helped very little and nothing was healing it or taking out the red inflammation, so last Wednesday I decided to try my LED light, blue light and infra red light and next day it started to heal.. my hands are almost naxk to normal..whether that's just coincidence or not I don't know but it's the only thing I've done different..I totally believe it's the LED light
Any recommendations for the red light panel pls?
As discussed, red light has mixed evidence and I suspect that's because the biggest impact is not using red light, but a reduction in blue light. Blue light affects humans quite broadly and uniformly. Removing blue light is, in my experience, more important than using red light. Avoiding blue light from screens throughout the entire day (changing screen color by activating night light settings 100% of the time) has reduced my headaches quite substantially. That solution is probably pretty odd for most people, but I use screens far more than 8 hours a day, and bad headaches are a certainty if I don't adjust color settings to remove blue light.
Interesting
Blue light has a damaging effect on mitochondria apparently , where red light can have a protecting effect (I guess there's a limit and only short bursts needed)
That's unlikely the case. Yes, blue light has an affect on sleep patterns and certain hormone release and that's why it can have negative effects especially at night. But this effect is cause by blue light getting to the eyes. Red light therapy does not reduce blue light to the eyes. It merely adds more red light. Also, for therapies that rely on deeper penetration, blue light just doesn't go nearly as deep as does red light and near infrared light.
I just bought the red/infrared lights and became discouraged. The info booklet says not to use on any benign tumors. As we age I presume we all have something benign inside of us. It seems that the light makes us grow, like plants.
My mother in law Dr Roberta Chow PhD is likely the world's leading doctor using red light therapy for MSK pain management. Published in The Lancet in 2009. This modality is the real deal but just like anything in medicine, it doesn't work for all people all the time. Its a non-invasive, non-drug treatment. There is no downside to using it for any number of indications. You should interview her Peter
Anybody listen the whole thing? Is red light good or bad or meh?
Waste of time. They introduce the topic and then promise to give the information you think you are going to get if you pay $20 to listen to what they have to say off RUclips. Don’t support this channel by listening to the ads and watching to the end. Lots of good videos on RUclips that deliver.
The product I am planning to buy is red AND Blue light and infra red . Is that the same as what you are addressing. And yes when will episode drop? Thank you.
Biomax?
Does he give any pointers as what to buy in the full episode? I’m sold on the science just don’t know what to buy.
Oh, wow. After flying to Missouri to be evaluated in person by Dr. Shealy, I used one of his inventions a Gamma P.E.M.F (Pulsed Electromagnetic Field) every day up to 12 hours a day often sleeping with it around my neck for 4 1/2 years.
that's cool but not red light.
@@cindysmallwood2695Obviously. Did you not hear him mention Gamma waves?
Just a teaser, as usual.
Peter I want to thank you for your preventative approach to health. Your book is excellent and I've used various tests and ways to improve. I am in better health now than I've been in a long time. I do have a comment concerning red light therapy. About 6 years ago, I read a book about red light and then purchased a red light from Canada with the red light and infra red light power you spoke about. I started with a small one particularly for a hip issue. I did not want to take medicine for the pain, so I used it mainly at night for 15 to 20 minutes and the pain would go away. With the results I had, I investigated more into red light and bought a larger one that covered more of my body. I do understand that there are now many devices on the market and we have to be careful what we're using. I also understand that many people are looking for EASY and don't want to do something they have to work at and may give a lot better results. But based on my experience the last 6 years using red light correctly along with those other things (like diet and exercise) I don't think was a waste of time. I think it's helped my health improvements.
PA is looking young
I dont think the whole red light only penetrating a few mm idea is accurate , if you shine red light directly on your fingers you can see it go right through to the other side
People are basing that off studies using mathematical models which clearly are not effective ,
when you can see the light for yourself going through fingers even if the light source isn't pressed against them
Studies on cadavers even show it going a few centimeters in shined on the skull
If you shine it on your palm where its thicker you see some come through still if the source is good enough
But for thicker places it won't so optimally might be using it on one side of the body then the other side after
Correct. I can easily see 18mm of red light penetration on my index finger. So presumably near infrared penetrates even deeper. Furthermore, the studies I've shown typically talk about depths on the order of 4-5mm for red light. That seems short to me given my direct observations. So maybe they really mean penetration at some particular level of attenuation. But if that's the case and especially if that level is below the level easily perceived by the human eye, they really should say so. Failing to do so seem counter-scientific to me.
Yeah I looked it up and they are based on mathematical models, not accurate, in other studies tested on cadaver heads they show it penetrating centimeters
And also only 1-4 minutes is needed for the effect at least at 40mw/cm2 intensity and maybe less, the ATP boost is a delayed effect (so longer isnt better just need the activation)
I'm gonna try it one side of body then turning around , couple minutes each side a morning
Oh Peter, let your Mrs buy stuff.... There is some good data already on red light benefits. I vote Mrs Attia needs her redlight gadgets, girls power 😂💪😉
It doesn’t make any sense to me why columnated red light would penetrate more deeply than non-collimated light for the same wavelength. depth of penetration should be dependent only on wavelength if I remember correctly
It is only dependent on the wavelength. Maybe what he refers is that low energy wavelengths can be added into a single focal point, producing a higher energy like in multi photon microscopy.
and the critical cytochrome c oxidase enzyme requires ceruloplasmin with its bio available copper...when was the last time you supported its production or tested for it?...🌀
A whole lot of words to say nothing. This was the red light version of the schweaty balls SNL skit.
Nope. When is enough money enough? (1) If a channel is doing well, the content creator is paid well. (2) advertisers pay for a few seconds of the creators time (3) there are usually links to products mentioned. If a subscriber buys an item the creator earns X % for that sale. (4) These episodes are usually played on Spotify etc. Yet another source of revenue. Now we're adding on patreon, paid subscriptions etc.
It's to the point that I'm ready to throw in the YT towel.
Btw my insurance will pay for a doctor visit where he/she will explain red light therapy. We already know the higher the # (800+) the deeper it penetrates the skin. If you want it to reach muscle for healing etc you'll want atleast 800+. Otherwise it's superficial. It may help the appearance of your skin. Another reputable Doctor on another channel will explain this in about 3 minutes without you paying extra. ✌🏻
This is way over my head!
coincidently looking into infrared sauna today, mainly FIR.
heat, not light.
@ Far infrared is on the light therapy spectrum along with MIR and NIR
@@liam3067 But unless saunas are now coming out with red light built in, the light emitted in a far infrared sauna is not the same thing as the panels being so for light therapy. I have both.
Don’t waste 13 minutes of your life here.
I found this to be an excellent discussion. I’ve worked for both not for profit and for profit payers and two state Healthcare Marketplaces. The depth and accuracy of this topic was appreciated. Thank you.
Dr. Jack Kruse...
Thanks very much. I'm not sure your figures on penetration are correct, I know it depends on the type of light, power, distance away and wavelength, however there are a lot of specialists quoting red light going through the body and being measured on the other side, photos showing penetration through the hand, physicists measuring penetration of greater depth in the body. It might be useful to do more work on that.
he's glossing over terms like coherent and by columnisati think he meant polarization
for nearly one million subs, you seem to be out of touch with them all. I just stoppbed by, didn't stay for more than the time it took to read a handful of comments. So long!
Dr. Glen Jeffrey is by far the most authoritative expert on infrared light therapy. He gives a tour de force explanation in this presentation ruclips.net/video/yllNLJi1S0Q/видео.html
Interview DR JACK KRUSE
Exactly what I was thinking. Would love that.
@ he’s afraid of him.
I won’t watch your channel again, you shared no content but instead made this a teaser to pay you for a subscription. Poor form.
No time for this ,！
DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME. They do not get into the meat of the subject unless you pay up. Very diseptive.
Nothing, I mean nothing of value is said. He gives except the basics of light and wave lengths and wave penetration. Just another major disappointment from Attia.
Who sells a real redlight? There's so many Chinese lights that look sus.
Well, if it looks red, then it is a red light. Do you mean near infra-red?
Buy lume box dr vib sells it. Omg my warts are all gone ❤❤❤
If they really want to get subscribers, they need to be more helpful than posting a useless fragment of a longer video. This kind of bait and switch is dishonest and does not inspire trust in your paid content.
Total BS, mere sales pitch to sell a paid subscription Chanel 😮
Superficial bro' science.
you showed nothing you are liar
ugh... you gotta be kidding me. What a HUGE waste of time. Used to respect you as a trusted voice in this space after reading your book... But literally who the f puts out videos like this?? This is a completely useless video. Won't be clicking on anything from your channel again and will actually probably mute your channel tbh. Really cheap trick to get more clicks... but I think on the net you are putting off more people than you are enticing. Take this dumb teaser video down, you're doing more harm than good with it.