I’m going to throw a possible cat amongst the pigeons here and say that being ultra hydrophobic could be it referring to how much it repels the water off the panel. How much is left on it at the end. If you look at the sheeting it actually ends up repelling more water than the beads. It’s definitely a claim that could be open to interpretation! Thanks for taking the time to make the video as always John!
I am a very big fan of AF products. Was waiting for a review on this one. I have already ordered it. Where I live in the spring and summer it gets really dusty, so when it rains the beads leave brown spots all over the white paint, so the sheething is much better. Great review
When you have heavy water the sheeting action is preferred, so that you aren’t left with little spots that most products encourage because of the beading. I don’t know why the industry has become obsessed with beading, since I think sheeting is much better. The product is clearly hydrophobic - we saw that in your test. I am not sure why you marked it as x in that category, since you called the category beading / hydrophobic and it would appear to be more hydrophobic than the other product, judging by the amount of water left in each of the test rectangles
Agreed I've tried several products which give great beadage but for me sheeting is the way to go on a black car. Im using Turtle Wax Graphene flex wax spray at the moment but may try this as the sheeting looks good.
I agree. Beading is a nightmare on a black car. I've recently tried turtlewax graphene and 303 graphene but have gone back to using infinity rapid detailer. About 2 weeks later and the car is still spotless.
This is probably going to be argued to death. But beading is a visual indicator that is easy for people to follow. When there is no more beading, you can assume to re-apply. Now yes we know that doesn't mean the product is gone, but for the vast majority of consumers, it's easy to tell. Or you end up with a product like DPC armor coating, where you can't even tell it's on the paint compared to virgin paint. Flat pools of water with slow sheeting, it VISUALLY looks like nothing is on the paint.
Totally agree with you there theseb1979, to repel every drop of water in the form of a sheet seems to be a much more effective finish than just producing beads that dry and ruin all your hard work.
I’ve used this on a white Golf GTI and 6 weeks in it looks superb and has a deep mirror like shine. You have to use it sparingly ( eg 3 pea sized dots for a bonnet, 4 for the roof, 2 for each door) if you don’t want to spend hours buffing. It took me less than 2 hours to do the whole car and has not needed a 2nd coat. It’s for all gloss paint so it went on all the body coloured plastics (bumpers & spoiler etc). If it lasts 6/8 months then I’ll let u know 🙂
Great review. All my cars have been ceramic coated which made the rain bead. It also made my car more dirty once the water dried. The wife’s car is a car wash car and always appears cleaner after it’s rained. I’ll be trying this product over the weekend 👍🏻
So many times I look at uncared for cars that look better than mine that's always got some sort of wax or coating on it. Maybe this AF product is a solution... No space on shelf for anything new though.
Just covered my car in the graphene - waiting to see how it does. I think I prefer the sheeting to beading as it will hopefully wick away the dust which sits on my black car! Bane of my life!
Good review. It’s amazing how some product instructions lack obvious detail. The label on one spray sealant I tried said a second coat could be added for extra gloss, but gave no clue as to how long to leave between coats. It also gave no info on dealing with overspray on glass or plastic. Can’t understand the obsession with beading, surely the less time water is in contact with the paint the better? Perhaps the beading fans like testing waterspot removers…..lol. Looking forward to the multi product test on an actual car. Pan the Organiser did this with about 20 products on one car.
Great review! I must say I find a lot of auto finesse products to be very underwhelming, when they first started out I really liked them but as time has gone on I’m finding most of their products don’t compete with the BH/Gyeon etc competition
Because wen they first started out it was massive on the car seen but as time went on they got greedy and started to water things down and not put the amount of things in it as they did wen it first kicked of,they started putting more things out again wen meguires started upping there game on new things,but still auto finesse really ain’t that good and many people have gone of them hence why there not doing that well financially anymore,imo meguires is far better
With another dose of Sahara dust on the way, I will take the Sheeting one as the Beads when dried in the Sun leave dust that sticks like **** to a blanket.
Beads are sexy but that sheeting is epic. Dryer panels 👍 Try it on that black panel in direct sunlight, that can also be a deal breaker. That’s the Beauty of some carnaubas, black hole and srp
I used this today on my sons car. I started with a foam pad to apply it, but it felt as though it was adding swirls, yikes !!! And it was brand new!! I changed to a microfibre pad and it made such a difference. It felt like it was working to product better and left a more even application. Application and removal was very easy and the gloss is undeniable, but I found it could produce a slight dust as well. I would recommend using this if you need a quick waxing of your car, but I’m not sure about the filling capabilities….
Glad you reviewed this. I've spent hundreds in the past getting my cars detailed (M140i & Caterham 7 420r) when in reality all I really want to do is hide the swirls, but like you say, the word "filler" is frowned upon. The single coat BRG paint finish to my 7 is particularly soft - the delicate first wash following detailing put no end of fine scratches in it, so this product may be what I need - as a former M140i owner yourself, plus your M4, if you can recommend something to hide the faint scratches on the satin finish instrument binacle that would be great too - I'm already on my second after the main dealer valet jabbed at it with the nozzle of a Hoover which they then agreed to replace, but my most gentle of dusting from me has left a haze already on the replacement, so I'm a bit fed up. First world problem though...!
I've been using this product for a while now. I used the product a week or so ago, then the other day had to take the car out in the rain. After parking up I looked round the car and found it had beaded, so much so I had a comment from someone passing by.
I would say it is ultra hydrophobic then, as it leaves the panel bone dry. Surely that's the ultimate proof of protection. Do you think it would work well on Tripple Jon? Mightn't be a bad combo. Brilliant video again 👌👍
Nice test Jon. I like the idea of this and might give it a try. A lot of people do not have the confidence of machine polishing, do not have the skills or equipment to do it either. This is a great product for the Halfords buyer.
Fair comment, machine polishing can be a bit of a leap- but its good to push yourself into a challenge! You can always hand polish any swirls out- Autoglym resin polish is still very relevant today like its always been- I still use it today and has a purpose. You should buy some simple resin polish and start with that, get a neutral car shampoo the put a light ceramic coating on- its dead easy. It'll last 6 months or so, bit you can learn from that and build up to a full on decon and machine polish then more durable coatings. Just give it a go 👍
@@79blustone Thank you for the advice. I am actually an ex-valeter, and have no problems hand polishing, I was talking more about the typical Halfords buyer who is basically a once a month car washer.
@@DjNikGnashers 🤦♂️ Haha, though you might be reading you comment after I posted it....I thought you might have read it and if I deleted it it would look odd so I left the comment hoping you wouldn't read it 🤣. Pays to properly read someone's comments thoroughly- note to self 😇👍
Nothing more satisfying than seeing beads bounce around the bonnet then blow off in morning after rain , so it’s a nope from me on this one but great review 👍🏻,
Means more water on the car when drying and means more chance of water spots , that’s why most pro detailers prefer a sheeting product and if you got a black vehicle and your washing it in the summer then the last thing you want is a beading product and the sheeting product is exactly what you want , also when you compare sheeting vs beading , beading doesn’t mean more protection and sheeting doesn’t mean less protection
@@M.E63 I agree with everything you say just I prefer to see beads , gyeon wax gives great results , had many a black car without issues , was in the spray business over 10 years so I like to care for my cars 😀, maybe I will try it at some point as I do buy a lot of the products tested 👍🏻
Bought this after watching this, for the sheeting. It’s still early, but I like this product. I would buy it even if it didn’t say graphene on the bottle. In the real world it’s a water beader. Update: the excitement faded, haven’t touched the bottle in months.
water beader? I want to try this product. It looks easy to use. I now have Soft99 extreme gloss wax on my car. (1 month) Stil going strong, but the beads make anoying water spots when dry... How long does AF Graphene last on your car? Do you think I can apply it with a DA polisher?
@@sebastienderidder5418 honestly liked it at first but the bottle just sits there. I would put Hydro2 or Wet Coat over that glossy Fusso, were me. Cheers
Great video but in my mind you're misunderstanding hydrophobicity, if water can't stay on the surface to form beads that surface must be more hydrophobic ( Hydrophobic is a property of a substance that repels water. It means lacking affinity for water, and tending to repel or not to absorb water.) The way the water from the hose gathers together and runs off an almost flat surface in your first test would say to me that it is extremely hydrophobic
303 graphene spray on black car has lasted a wet aussie summer for me... under cover at night but exposed during day... still beads and quickly sheets. ..I intend to reapply every 3 or 4 months as it's easy on and off.. easier than turtle wax flex...your 9 wax test will be interesting..thanks
Hi John, I am just wondering if the Auto Fines has more self cleaning effects, the water goes down as one whole wave, therefore it might lift off dirts along the way. Thanks for your time and effort
I'm interested to see how this stacks up against the new megs ceramic paint prep, with fine abrasives. Good review, and maybe a worthwhile tool in the box, as sometimes you just need to sell a car.
My car detailing stuff in my garage seems to be 70% auto finesse and recently used there wheel ceramic coating kit, and that as well I could not find how long to leave the product on for, only don’t leave it on longer than stated or something to that effect. I need to start looking at other manufacturers and so on as I find I’m quite stubborn and loyal to a particular brand. And I like there bottles and designs 😆
Great review, and awesome channel! I choose beading. I also thought the wax looked a little more reflective/deeper, but meter showed otherwise. Q - could you use a topper on this like P&S Bead Maker (my favorite!). Thanks!
Hi John, Another great video, but looking at the results, Auto Finesse isn't fulfilling its promise in my opinion. What is the "liquid wax" you've used in the comparison please?
good info/video Jon, i'll stick with my combo IW's SuperGloss+ Spray Wax on top of AM Hybrid Sealant for protection, gloss, bead/sheeting. SG+ Spray Wax is the same price as the AF product, but a small amount goes a long way and can be used on glass and plastics too.
Hey John, on unplugged maybe could you try it on a panel a section wiped, another 15 and another 30 minute.. part of me wonders if there is a hydrophobic wax element that doesn't stick as fast. But cheers for a great video I was super interested.
I had the 303 graphene nano spray and was not a fan Jon. Slickness was not great and thought it was difficult to remove. Would much rather use a hybrid ceramic wax.
What I do with the 303 is once applied go over the panel with a damp microfiber and then buff off. This method works with a lot of the spray waxes that seem difficult to remove or leave streaks.
I would usually use AG polish, followed by AG Extra Gloss Protection. Does this product replace both of those? Seems like it polishes/ fills and seals?
is beading better than sheeting?, in metal cleanliness beading in a "water break" test would mean the surface is still contaminated and needs further cleaning,
Why would a weekend warrier (Auto Finesse Halfords shoppers) want half a litre? With so much choice and things to try it seems counter intuitive / making price higher..
Good Morning John!! Love your in depths videos! I would like to use a spray sealant or a wax with fillers on my 67 912. I have some panels that are original but do not have much paint left and cannot polIsh the scratches out. I would also like to use Griots 3n1 Ceramic wax spray on top as I do now as it has tremendous durability. I need this as I use my 67 frequently- I drive through the alps and at the beach here- I live in Florence, Italy. Could you give me an advice on what I could use ? I use mostly Griots products with some Carpro and Geyon. Thanks John! Happy Holidays!!!
you prolly want to polish it with a light glaze so you dont remove much clearcoat. Check out Rupes advanced polish. Or gyeon primer polish. Then you could top it with the griots 3 in1 mate will work well.
Even the sheeting properties are kind of dissapointing from the Autofinesse product... My experience tells me the slicker a product is, the less hydrophobic it is. But still a very nice review and a great video Jon! Love the humor.
I'd like a full review of this brand. I've been watching their detail videos and it's some quality editing and videography but that doesn't always transfer into product.
@@M.E63 awesome I'll check it out. Pan does great reviews although jon is far more in depth and detailed which I prefer but pan does cover a lot of the key points well. I'll check it out for sure thank you!!!
Jon/Everyone!!! What’s filler all about. Please. I’m puzzled. Thinking it hides microscopic marrings but adds a kinda chalky residue deep chips scratches ??? Bodyshops who use the higher end £150 odd quid 3M detest filler. Could you explain the pros or Con of filler. My cars are mostly 12-15 years old full of minor chips dings. The filler doesn’t so much hide scratches like good old colour magic of old did using before started machine polishing. I find filler products highlight the stone chips filling them in white. I don’t get filler. At all !!!! I use G3 and / or G360 on a wool mop. I like to wax over but one product G3 Glaze I think has filler????
I love citrus I will try it, but it's a RTU product. So it's a bit like using surfex at 20 to 1 so like a litre of it costs pennies. there will be big price difference.
What equipment are you using now and why? Wouldn't mind seeing a video of your current setup. I know you review other products and mention but it's not clear what your favourite equipment is and what products you love. I'm still new to your channel however do will have a look around.
Ok I’ve been using this for a few days. The shine is excellent. I’m not convinced on the filling action, it seems almost non existent, maybe I’ve done something wrong with application. Dusts a little, which is something I’ve not had with products for a while.
Further use….it really does need a shake; the instructions are poor, the product is good. I was becoming fed with the mess beads leave after rain so this is perfect for me
@@PerfectWeddingDJs Must say same here, really love look of beads but getting tired of cars I spend ages washing and protecting looking worse than neighbours cars that never get washed after a bit of dust and rain is added. Have AF normal liquid carnauba, gives great shine on another car, thinkingnof trying on mine instead of 1 year ceramic.
you should start a discord server, may be add it in as part of your Patreon. you dont even have to be on it much, and people can talk tips amongst each other.
Eh graphene is just marketing foo foo. Yeah it’s different, you can prefer it or not for several reasons. Price being one. Filling quality is important as a business owner, it’s why I use Jescar ultra lock+ on every wash & wax; fills and deepens the paint. People think you buffed the paint half the time. Makes a one step correction look like a 2 step. Filling might be gawked at by nerds on forum boards; but they work terrifically for the 99% of population that doesn’t polish their car every 6 months. Edit: after seeing your close ups of how much it filled, it completely eliminated 4000 grit sanding marks from bad washes. Insane amount of filling power and you can see a clear line of delineation and deepening. Impressive stuff I wonder if a gallon of that is cheaper than a gallon of JUL+?
add graphine to the label is the new trend, we passed the ceramic on every label. Give me poor boys black hole over 10 pounds less and looks just as good. marketing bs
Auto Finesse just doesn't do it for me, they seem more focused on image over the quality of their products. They like the flashy labeling,detailing videos, detailing studio etc when they should really be more focused on product quality. Tripple and citrus power are the only ones I'd bother to purchase
Never been convinced about Auto Finesse, I always think they blow their budget on their packaging instead! Unrealistic claims and always underperforms in my experience. Filler! Hmm no. You can't cheat on doing a job properly, especially when there is a huge range of product to deal with swirl, this product promotes laziness. This video to me was an exposè on why you shouldn't buy this, but thats my take. £25 is a lot and considering what amazing products Jon has shown on this channel already. You can buy Gyeon can coat (old version for £20) and a bottle of cheap polish- hand buff some of the swirls out and still have change left over. Anyway, I feel like I've ranted on about this a bit too much, it does something that's better then not applying anything on bare paint- just about...😉
@@TruckerMatty93 I think generally you can't really go wrong with waxes. Generally, I just find their chemicals are just made of two ingredients- water and disappointment. 🤷
This was back to your brilliant best Jon :) (is is John or Jon btw?) I thought that water behaviour was really interesting, it's a sheeter like you said, that could be a real winner actually. Do you have any your Nova Lustre left? It feels like that would be a really good comparison of similar products with similar USPs (liquid sealant with filler properties and 6 months longevity). Tbh you don't need to run the test, just offer an opinion, I don't want to give you more work or be that guy saying "you should have tested against this" because I know the effort that's gone in to just doing this.
Why is beads preffered over sheeting? During winter the beads freeze if its rained and if it's rained then the weather heats up won't it leave water marks as the water evaporates? Not really sure why beads are preffered over the water sheeting off.
Graphene products in detailing are a complete marketing gimmick. The only difference I've seen in the full blown coatings is that they sell you the traditional ceramic coating like CQUK 3.0 except it's slightly more hydrophobic and they tend to be slick instead of the common "grabby' feeling you get with most SiO2 coatings. Anyway what I'm getting at is, they're actually just selling us the good ol' SiO2 coating with veeery slight improvements in the hydrophobicity/slickness department, slapping Graphene in the name and charging nearly double for a bottle. (CQUK3.0 is $1.60/ml vs Ethos Graphene Matrix Coating's $3/ml. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they add that cheap graphene oxide powder to the coating in minute amounts just so they're not lying as much, but still I find the whole thing ridiculous and disingenuous. Another thing that bothers me is that the guy from Ethos says their coatings are completely formulated and made in house, when it's all but obvious that they're manufactured by B&B Blending, just like the Adam's coating (which is much cheaper BTW). The Adam's coating adds the UV additive so they can sell you a flashlight that shows the high spots you left behind. I won't complain, as I'm sure some newbies might find that useful and it's optional, but you could always just be really careful and methodical with your wiping and you should have no issues without the light. Switching back over to the Ethos and their wild claims, I'll just copy paste a tiny section off of their site: "Future maintenance, such as clay barring and light polishing to repair possible imperfections in the coating, can be performed without sacrificing its integrity, resulting in the ability to finally achieve a near-permanent coating." I mean, that's a load of bs. If they mean using a product like CarPro's Essence Plus, that's not really polishing, as it's meant to be used with a finishing pad and has no abrasives in it, just cleaners and the ceramic component that's meant to revive a coating that's near the end of its life, not exactly a "let's take these swirls off and the coating will be beading like crazy as if nothing happened" as they seem to be portraying with that statement. Here's the real kicker though, the guy from Ethos claims that their graphene coating is a pure graphene coating and not a ceramic coating with graphene in it. If you look at Adam's page, though, you'll notice that in their Graphene Ceramic Coating page there is a section that asks "Why is graphene still called a ceramic coating?" and right underneath, the answer they provide is as follows: Graphene alone will not form a coating. Period. Graphene is a flat, non-reactive plane, it will not form a bond with other things. Graphene coatings are coatings with graphene molecules grafted onto the ceramic backbone. If you think of the graphic of the graphene oxide, the tails you see sticking up are what is grafted onto the ceramic molecule. The ceramic molecule bonds with the car, and the Graphene portion of the molecule is on top, forming the surface of the coating.
Here's a link of him saying "The Truth About Graphene Coatings" ( ruclips.net/video/m1Dkg_psc2c/видео.html) where he talks about his product as if it wasn't a ceramic coating at all and it's a completely different thing as it's a "graphene coating" and how he didn't wanna do exactly what he's doing which is slapping the word graphene on the products in order to sell via the marketing hype. Don't get me wrong, I've seen the performance of this coating and it's actually very impressive in terms of hydrophobics and it might well be durable (though I can't personally attest to that). The problem lies in the smoke and mirrors and dishonesty in order to sell you that product. I can't stand lying and lack of transparency. If the product is good, you can market it honestly and make great sales. Being dishonest from the getgo and building that reputation, though, will do the complete opposite.
theres some really good articles on graphene in pro detailers. And some blind tests going on with graphene coatings.. and graphene infused waxes v sio2 and plane wax. marketting is over the top in lots of cases for sure but its the same with every single industry on the planet. its worse in the USA than the UK. In the UK we sort of resent over the top marketting, even our TV adverts are different to USA ones.
@@ForensicDetailing Yeah I agree that overpromising marketing is not just limited to detailing, but detailing is one of those cases where it has the worst kind of marketing where most of the claims are based on how they sound and catering to emotion rather than based on reality, hard data and logic. That’s why I love companies like CarPro so much. They don’t try to oversell you and instead overdeliver. I’m sure the UK is much different, it’s just a different culture altogether. You guys have THE BEST mechanics out there. Hell there’s even a great show/channel I found recently and it’s a mechanic from the UK with his friends doing cool stuff while also being very educational. He’s called Edd China. Bet you’d love the channel. Edit: Know where I can get my hands on any of those studies?
“Interesting isn’t it?” Not really. Maybe instead of obsessing over your car you should have a shave and spend some time with ya missus. It’s a car, it will always be dirty. Detailing is a con to make you spend thousands on chemicals that are worth pennies. Wake up and get a life
I’m going to throw a possible cat amongst the pigeons here and say that being ultra hydrophobic could be it referring to how much it repels the water off the panel. How much is left on it at the end. If you look at the sheeting it actually ends up repelling more water than the beads. It’s definitely a claim that could be open to interpretation!
Thanks for taking the time to make the video as always John!
I am a very big fan of AF products. Was waiting for a review on this one. I have already ordered it. Where I live in the spring and summer it gets really dusty, so when it rains the beads leave brown spots all over the white paint, so the sheething is much better. Great review
When you have heavy water the sheeting action is preferred, so that you aren’t left with little spots that most products encourage because of the beading. I don’t know why the industry has become obsessed with beading, since I think sheeting is much better. The product is clearly hydrophobic - we saw that in your test. I am not sure why you marked it as x in that category, since you called the category beading / hydrophobic and it would appear to be more hydrophobic than the other product, judging by the amount of water left in each of the test rectangles
hydrophobadidity :) The opposite of that is hydrophillic. The AF product is hydrophobic but not really ultra hydrophobic for me at least.
Agreed I've tried several products which give great beadage but for me sheeting is the way to go on a black car. Im using Turtle Wax Graphene flex wax spray at the moment but may try this as the sheeting looks good.
I agree. Beading is a nightmare on a black car. I've recently tried turtlewax graphene and 303 graphene but have gone back to using infinity rapid detailer. About 2 weeks later and the car is still spotless.
This is probably going to be argued to death. But beading is a visual indicator that is easy for people to follow. When there is no more beading, you can assume to re-apply. Now yes we know that doesn't mean the product is gone, but for the vast majority of consumers, it's easy to tell.
Or you end up with a product like DPC armor coating, where you can't even tell it's on the paint compared to virgin paint. Flat pools of water with slow sheeting, it VISUALLY looks like nothing is on the paint.
Totally agree with you there theseb1979, to repel every drop of water in the form of a sheet seems to be a much more effective finish than just producing beads that dry and ruin all your hard work.
I’ve used this on a white Golf GTI and 6 weeks in it looks superb and has a deep mirror like shine. You have to use it sparingly ( eg 3 pea sized dots for a bonnet, 4 for the roof, 2 for each door) if you don’t want to spend hours buffing. It took me less than 2 hours to do the whole car and has not needed a 2nd coat. It’s for all gloss paint so it went on all the body coloured plastics (bumpers & spoiler etc). If it lasts 6/8 months then I’ll let u know 🙂
how long did it last
Yea how long?
Great review as always John, But it would’ve been nice to see if the fillers had survive the surfex HD test, Looking forward to the mega test😀
Great review. All my cars have been ceramic coated which made the rain bead. It also made my car more dirty once the water dried. The wife’s car is a car wash car and always appears cleaner after it’s rained. I’ll be trying this product over the weekend 👍🏻
So many times I look at uncared for cars that look better than mine that's always got some sort of wax or coating on it. Maybe this AF product is a solution... No space on shelf for anything new though.
£15 at Halfords if you join their motoring club free membership, as you get £10 voucher to spend on purchases over £20. Great vid as always Jon.
Just covered my car in the graphene - waiting to see how it does. I think I prefer the sheeting to beading as it will hopefully wick away the dust which sits on my black car! Bane of my life!
Good review. It’s amazing how some product instructions lack obvious detail. The label on one spray sealant I tried said a second coat could be added for extra gloss, but gave no clue as to how long to leave between coats. It also gave no info on dealing with overspray on glass or plastic. Can’t understand the obsession with beading, surely the less time water is in contact with the paint the better? Perhaps the beading fans like testing waterspot removers…..lol. Looking forward to the multi product test on an actual car. Pan the Organiser did this with about 20 products on one car.
Great review! I must say I find a lot of auto finesse products to be very underwhelming, when they first started out I really liked them but as time has gone on I’m finding most of their products don’t compete with the BH/Gyeon etc competition
Because wen they first started out it was massive on the car seen but as time went on they got greedy and started to water things down and not put the amount of things in it as they did wen it first kicked of,they started putting more things out again wen meguires started upping there game on new things,but still auto finesse really ain’t that good and many people have gone of them hence why there not doing that well financially anymore,imo meguires is far better
With another dose of Sahara dust on the way, I will take the Sheeting one as the Beads when dried in the Sun leave dust that sticks like **** to a blanket.
can confirm two hours spent tending to my blanket that the ** was very much stuck was as awful as this comment suggests.
Beads are sexy but that sheeting is epic. Dryer panels 👍
Try it on that black panel in direct sunlight, that can also be a deal breaker. That’s the Beauty of some carnaubas, black hole and srp
I used this today on my sons car. I started with a foam pad to apply it, but it felt as though it was adding swirls, yikes !!! And it was brand new!!
I changed to a microfibre pad and it made such a difference. It felt like it was working to product better and left a more even application.
Application and removal was very easy and the gloss is undeniable, but I found it could produce a slight dust as well.
I would recommend using this if you need a quick waxing of your car, but I’m not sure about the filling capabilities….
I’d take gloss over beading as most cars look at their best when dry
Glad you reviewed this. I've spent hundreds in the past getting my cars detailed (M140i & Caterham 7 420r) when in reality all I really want to do is hide the swirls, but like you say, the word "filler" is frowned upon. The single coat BRG paint finish to my 7 is particularly soft - the delicate first wash following detailing put no end of fine scratches in it, so this product may be what I need - as a former M140i owner yourself, plus your M4, if you can recommend something to hide the faint scratches on the satin finish instrument binacle that would be great too - I'm already on my second after the main dealer valet jabbed at it with the nozzle of a Hoover which they then agreed to replace, but my most gentle of dusting from me has left a haze already on the replacement, so I'm a bit fed up. First world problem though...!
I've been using this product for a while now. I used the product a week or so ago, then the other day had to take the car out in the rain. After parking up I looked round the car and found it had beaded, so much so I had a comment from someone passing by.
hmm dunno about that the beading is poor but everything else is good.
I would say it is ultra hydrophobic then, as it leaves the panel bone dry. Surely that's the ultimate proof of protection. Do you think it would work well on Tripple Jon? Mightn't be a bad combo. Brilliant video again 👌👍
because it bonds I think bare prep would be best.
@@ForensicDetailing true 🤙
Nice test Jon.
I like the idea of this and might give it a try.
A lot of people do not have the confidence of machine polishing, do not have the skills or equipment to do it either.
This is a great product for the Halfords buyer.
Fair comment, machine polishing can be a bit of a leap- but its good to push yourself into a challenge! You can always hand polish any swirls out- Autoglym resin polish is still very relevant today like its always been- I still use it today and has a purpose. You should buy some simple resin polish and start with that, get a neutral car shampoo the put a light ceramic coating on- its dead easy. It'll last 6 months or so, bit you can learn from that and build up to a full on decon and machine polish then more durable coatings. Just give it a go 👍
@@79blustone Thank you for the advice.
I am actually an ex-valeter, and have no problems hand polishing, I was talking more about the typical Halfords buyer who is basically a once a month car washer.
@@DjNikGnashers 🤦♂️ Haha, though you might be reading you comment after I posted it....I thought you might have read it and if I deleted it it would look odd so I left the comment hoping you wouldn't read it 🤣. Pays to properly read someone's comments thoroughly- note to self 😇👍
this products simply amazing i got it day one and it hasn't let me down
Nothing more satisfying than seeing beads bounce around the bonnet then blow off in morning after rain , so it’s a nope from me on this one but great review 👍🏻,
Means more water on the car when drying and means more chance of water spots , that’s why most pro detailers prefer a sheeting product and if you got a black vehicle and your washing it in the summer then the last thing you want is a beading product and the sheeting product is exactly what you want , also when you compare sheeting vs beading , beading doesn’t mean more protection and sheeting doesn’t mean less protection
@@M.E63 I agree with everything you say just I prefer to see beads , gyeon wax gives great results , had many a black car without issues , was in the spray business over 10 years so I like to care for my cars 😀, maybe I will try it at some point as I do buy a lot of the products tested 👍🏻
Bought this after watching this, for the sheeting.
It’s still early, but I like this product.
I would buy it even if it didn’t say graphene on the bottle.
In the real world it’s a water beader.
Update: the excitement faded, haven’t touched the bottle in months.
water beader? I want to try this product. It looks easy to use. I now have Soft99 extreme gloss wax on my car. (1 month) Stil going strong, but the beads make anoying water spots when dry... How long does AF Graphene last on your car? Do you think I can apply it with a DA polisher?
@@sebastienderidder5418 honestly liked it at first but the bottle just sits there. I would put Hydro2 or Wet Coat over that glossy Fusso, were me. Cheers
Great video but in my mind you're misunderstanding hydrophobicity, if water can't stay on the surface to form beads that surface must be more hydrophobic ( Hydrophobic is a property of a substance that repels water. It means lacking affinity for water, and tending to repel or not to absorb water.) The way the water from the hose gathers together and runs off an almost flat surface in your first test would say to me that it is extremely hydrophobic
Amazing SHEETING properties!! 🔥
303 graphene spray on black car has lasted a wet aussie summer for me... under cover at night but exposed during day... still beads and quickly sheets. ..I intend to reapply every 3 or 4 months as it's easy on and off.. easier than turtle wax flex...your 9 wax test will be interesting..thanks
Hi John, I am just wondering if the Auto Fines has more self cleaning effects, the water goes down as one whole wave, therefore it might lift off dirts along the way. Thanks for your time and effort
Why the obsession with beading, great until it drys. I much prefer a “sheeting” product
Get as much water off the panel as possible😊
I’d rather have the sheeting as less drying to do and less chance of water spots
Always enjoy your videos! Great honest review. The silly bits are class. Cheers
Thanks, would like to see you review their other new products too
I'm interested to see how this stacks up against the new megs ceramic paint prep, with fine abrasives. Good review, and maybe a worthwhile tool in the box, as sometimes you just need to sell a car.
My car detailing stuff in my garage seems to be 70% auto finesse and recently used there wheel ceramic coating kit, and that as well I could not find how long to leave the product on for, only don’t leave it on longer than stated or something to that effect. I need to start looking at other manufacturers and so on as I find I’m quite stubborn and loyal to a particular brand. And I like there bottles and designs 😆
Loyalty is good m8
Looks like a great base product. Apply to "correct" than top with a detailer or even a sealant etc.
👆This. I would be very interested in knowing a good topper for this product. How would Sonax BSD fare, for instance.
Great review, and awesome channel! I choose beading. I also thought the wax looked a little more reflective/deeper, but meter showed otherwise.
Q - could you use a topper on this like P&S Bead Maker (my favorite!). Thanks!
It's more a base than a topper
Wow. A test against M27 would be interesting. Keep up the good forensic work🤟
Hi John,
Another great video, but looking at the results, Auto Finesse isn't fulfilling its promise in my opinion.
What is the "liquid wax" you've used in the comparison please?
good info/video Jon, i'll stick with my combo IW's SuperGloss+ Spray Wax on top of AM Hybrid Sealant for protection, gloss, bead/sheeting. SG+ Spray Wax is the same price as the AF product, but a small amount goes a long way and can be used on glass and plastics too.
Thanks for testing this John 👍
Hey John, on unplugged maybe could you try it on a panel a section wiped, another 15 and another 30 minute.. part of me wonders if there is a hydrophobic wax element that doesn't stick as fast. But cheers for a great video I was super interested.
I might do this test though if i have time I agree it would be Interesting
I had the 303 graphene nano spray and was not a fan Jon. Slickness was not great and thought it was difficult to remove. Would much rather use a hybrid ceramic wax.
What I do with the 303 is once applied go over the panel with a damp microfiber and then buff off. This method works with a lot of the spray waxes that seem difficult to remove or leave streaks.
I would usually use AG polish, followed by AG Extra Gloss Protection.
Does this product replace both of those? Seems like it polishes/ fills and seals?
kind of but the polishing function of SRP is stronger I think.
Excellent review
*Nice video Jon!* 👍
PS. Looks like the TurtleWax FLEX WAX would be better choice compared to the AutoFinesse.
is beading better than sheeting?, in metal cleanliness beading in a "water break" test would mean the surface is still contaminated and needs further cleaning,
Why would a weekend warrier (Auto Finesse Halfords shoppers) want half a litre? With so much choice and things to try it seems counter intuitive / making price higher..
Hi… have got just bought Autobright premium care graphene wax crème!! Anyone have any experience of this ? Any good ?
My definition of ultra-hydrophobic is different to AutoFinesse it seems.
Good Morning John!! Love your in depths videos!
I would like to use a spray sealant or a wax with fillers on my 67 912. I have some panels that are original but do not have much paint left and cannot polIsh the scratches out. I would also like to use Griots 3n1 Ceramic wax spray on top as I do now as it has tremendous durability. I need this as I use my 67 frequently- I drive through the alps and at the beach here- I live in Florence, Italy. Could you give me an advice on what I could use ? I use mostly Griots products with some Carpro and Geyon. Thanks John!
Happy Holidays!!!
you prolly want to polish it with a light glaze so you dont remove much clearcoat. Check out Rupes advanced polish. Or gyeon primer polish. Then you could top it with the griots 3 in1 mate will work well.
Even the sheeting properties are kind of dissapointing from the Autofinesse product... My experience tells me the slicker a product is, the less hydrophobic it is.
But still a very nice review and a great video Jon! Love the humor.
I'd like a full review of this brand. I've been watching their detail videos and it's some quality editing and videography but that doesn't always transfer into product.
Pan has a review of there brand , I did buy quite a few of there products on the black Friday sale and it’s a good brand
@@M.E63 awesome I'll check it out. Pan does great reviews although jon is far more in depth and detailed which I prefer but pan does cover a lot of the key points well. I'll check it out for sure thank you!!!
AF invests more into marketing rather than their products.
@@martin1649 you know I could see that lol. Have you seen their channel? It's crazy the production that goes into a detail for their channel lol.
Great review but I laughed far too much at the use of "solvent honk" for describing the smell. 🤣
Jon/Everyone!!! What’s filler all about. Please. I’m puzzled. Thinking it hides microscopic marrings but adds a kinda chalky residue deep chips scratches ??? Bodyshops who use the higher end £150 odd quid 3M detest filler. Could you explain the pros or Con of filler. My cars are mostly 12-15 years old full of minor chips dings. The filler doesn’t so much hide scratches like good old colour magic of old did using before started machine polishing. I find filler products highlight the stone chips filling them in white. I don’t get filler. At all !!!! I use G3 and / or G360 on a wool mop. I like to wax over but one product G3 Glaze I think has filler????
Excellent ! very helpful
i think auto finesse citrus power is better than bilt hamber pre washes, change my mind.
I love citrus I will try it, but it's a RTU product. So it's a bit like using surfex at 20 to 1 so like a litre of it costs pennies. there will be big price difference.
Dynamite might be the one m8
What equipment are you using now and why? Wouldn't mind seeing a video of your current setup.
I know you review other products and mention but it's not clear what your favourite equipment is and what products you love.
I'm still new to your channel however do will have a look around.
here you go my firned ruclips.net/video/KBs3CFAQImM/видео.html
Turtle Wax Hybrid Solutions Ceramic & Graphene Paste Wax or Auto Finesse Graphene?
I’m torn between the two
Ok I’ve been using this for a few days. The shine is excellent. I’m not convinced on the filling action, it seems almost non existent, maybe I’ve done something wrong with application. Dusts a little, which is something I’ve not had with products for a while.
Further use….it really does need a shake; the instructions are poor, the product is good.
I was becoming fed with the mess beads leave after rain so this is perfect for me
@@PerfectWeddingDJs Must say same here, really love look of beads but getting tired of cars I spend ages washing and protecting looking worse than neighbours cars that never get washed after a bit of dust and rain is added. Have AF normal liquid carnauba, gives great shine on another car, thinkingnof trying on mine instead of 1 year ceramic.
@@PerfectWeddingDJs how long does the product last on your car? Would it be ok to apply with a DA polisher?
Great review as always, I'm going to purchase some of this, could auto finesse new ceramic spray be applied over a coat of this new graphene?
I'd guess yes but that's one for AF m8
@@ForensicDetailing ok, cheers jon.
you should start a discord server, may be add it in as part of your Patreon. you dont even have to be on it much, and people can talk tips amongst each other.
I'm have less bandwidth than opentransit m8, I just cant manage all these different platforms.
Eh graphene is just marketing foo foo. Yeah it’s different, you can prefer it or not for several reasons. Price being one. Filling quality is important as a business owner, it’s why I use Jescar ultra lock+ on every wash & wax; fills and deepens the paint. People think you buffed the paint half the time. Makes a one step correction look like a 2 step. Filling might be gawked at by nerds on forum boards; but they work terrifically for the 99% of population that doesn’t polish their car every 6 months.
Edit: after seeing your close ups of how much it filled, it completely eliminated 4000 grit sanding marks from bad washes. Insane amount of filling power and you can see a clear line of delineation and deepening. Impressive stuff I wonder if a gallon of that is cheaper than a gallon of JUL+?
I'm trying to get jul+ but can't get it in the UK for 8 weeks.
add graphine to the label is the new trend, we passed the ceramic on every label. Give me poor boys black hole over 10 pounds less and looks just as good.
marketing bs
Auto finesse Graphene liquid wax vs Bilt Hamber Hydra wax John, which would your choice be?
coming soon :) with lots of others.
Auto Finesse just doesn't do it for me, they seem more focused on image over the quality of their products. They like the flashy labeling,detailing videos, detailing studio etc when they should really be more focused on product quality. Tripple and citrus power are the only ones I'd bother to purchase
I love comparing Auto Finesse to Bilt Hamber. AF is for posers who care more about image and 'brand', Bilt Hamber is basically the antithesis of that.
Beading on black paint = water spots. I use graphene not because I'm a convert but because ceramics seem very vulnerable to water spotting.
did you test AF graphene? how long does it last? or other graphene liquid waxes...
Scholl W6 for the review?
Anyone know if a products filling ability last the whole time? Do the fillers come out before the protection fails?
Would this be able to be used over the top of a fusso cost?
bare prep is best I think mate
Never been convinced about Auto Finesse, I always think they blow their budget on their packaging instead! Unrealistic claims and always underperforms in my experience. Filler! Hmm no. You can't cheat on doing a job properly, especially when there is a huge range of product to deal with swirl, this product promotes laziness. This video to me was an exposè on why you shouldn't buy this, but thats my take. £25 is a lot and considering what amazing products Jon has shown on this channel already. You can buy Gyeon can coat (old version for £20) and a bottle of cheap polish- hand buff some of the swirls out and still have change left over. Anyway, I feel like I've ranted on about this a bit too much, it does something that's better then not applying anything on bare paint- just about...😉
Their spirit paste wax is very good Tbh. But I agree the majority of there stuff is rubbish
@@TruckerMatty93 I think generally you can't really go wrong with waxes.
Generally, I just find their chemicals are just made of two ingredients- water and disappointment. 🤷
This was back to your brilliant best Jon :) (is is John or Jon btw?)
I thought that water behaviour was really interesting, it's a sheeter like you said, that could be a real winner actually. Do you have any your Nova Lustre left? It feels like that would be a really good comparison of similar products with similar USPs (liquid sealant with filler properties and 6 months longevity). Tbh you don't need to run the test, just offer an opinion, I don't want to give you more work or be that guy saying "you should have tested against this" because I know the effort that's gone in to just doing this.
its just jon m8 :)
@@ForensicDetailing Not Jon M4?
Don't do humour 🤣
@@SilverDomUK they'd be bloody beautiful!
Hi Jon. What microfibre cloth are you using here? Seen you use them more in your recent videos
you cant buy it , it came direct from chinese mill
Do you still use this? Bought a bottle a while ago but haven't really had a chance to use it yet
Hello is better Infinity Graphene Wax ??
No idea m8
Why is beads preffered over sheeting? During winter the beads freeze if its rained and if it's rained then the weather heats up won't it leave water marks as the water evaporates? Not really sure why beads are preffered over the water sheeting off.
There's something sexy about pert beads... It's a cult 😁
Sheeting products still bead when it rains though does it not?
Beads show we've done something to our cars because they look different to non-protected cars.
Auto Finesse Graphene 500ml
Are you in a bad condition?
NV Lustre has a similar concept, but Lustre is better.
So chemical guys blacklight but about 15years later
How many months does it last?
Unknown but 6 months claimed. It's low hydrophobicity makes it hard to tell
Will this be any good being applied after auto finesse rejuvenate?
bare prep I think will be best but this is a quesiton for AF I think mate
beadage is this a newly made word ?
I hate those caps ... meguiars use them as you know and are a pain ...to me anyway 😂
Personally i can't get enough of those jibber-jabbers. The more i hear it the funnier it gets.
Graphene products in detailing are a complete marketing gimmick. The only difference I've seen in the full blown coatings is that they sell you the traditional ceramic coating like CQUK 3.0 except it's slightly more hydrophobic and they tend to be slick instead of the common "grabby' feeling you get with most SiO2 coatings. Anyway what I'm getting at is, they're actually just selling us the good ol' SiO2 coating with veeery slight improvements in the hydrophobicity/slickness department, slapping Graphene in the name and charging nearly double for a bottle. (CQUK3.0 is $1.60/ml vs Ethos Graphene Matrix Coating's $3/ml. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they add that cheap graphene oxide powder to the coating in minute amounts just so they're not lying as much, but still I find the whole thing ridiculous and disingenuous. Another thing that bothers me is that the guy from Ethos says their coatings are completely formulated and made in house, when it's all but obvious that they're manufactured by B&B Blending, just like the Adam's coating (which is much cheaper BTW). The Adam's coating adds the UV additive so they can sell you a flashlight that shows the high spots you left behind. I won't complain, as I'm sure some newbies might find that useful and it's optional, but you could always just be really careful and methodical with your wiping and you should have no issues without the light. Switching back over to the Ethos and their wild claims, I'll just copy paste a tiny section off of their site: "Future maintenance, such as clay barring and light polishing to repair possible imperfections in the coating, can be performed without sacrificing its integrity, resulting in the ability to finally achieve a near-permanent coating." I mean, that's a load of bs. If they mean using a product like CarPro's Essence Plus, that's not really polishing, as it's meant to be used with a finishing pad and has no abrasives in it, just cleaners and the ceramic component that's meant to revive a coating that's near the end of its life, not exactly a "let's take these swirls off and the coating will be beading like crazy as if nothing happened" as they seem to be portraying with that statement. Here's the real kicker though, the guy from Ethos claims that their graphene coating is a pure graphene coating and not a ceramic coating with graphene in it. If you look at Adam's page, though, you'll notice that in their Graphene Ceramic Coating page there is a section that asks "Why is graphene still called a ceramic coating?" and right underneath, the answer they provide is as follows: Graphene alone will not form a coating. Period. Graphene is a flat, non-reactive plane, it will not form a bond with other things. Graphene coatings are coatings with graphene molecules grafted onto the ceramic backbone. If you think of the graphic of the graphene oxide, the tails you see sticking up are what is grafted onto the ceramic molecule. The ceramic molecule bonds with the car, and the Graphene portion of the molecule is on top, forming the surface of the coating.
Here's a link of him saying "The Truth About Graphene Coatings" ( ruclips.net/video/m1Dkg_psc2c/видео.html) where he talks about his product as if it wasn't a ceramic coating at all and it's a completely different thing as it's a "graphene coating" and how he didn't wanna do exactly what he's doing which is slapping the word graphene on the products in order to sell via the marketing hype. Don't get me wrong, I've seen the performance of this coating and it's actually very impressive in terms of hydrophobics and it might well be durable (though I can't personally attest to that). The problem lies in the smoke and mirrors and dishonesty in order to sell you that product. I can't stand lying and lack of transparency. If the product is good, you can market it honestly and make great sales. Being dishonest from the getgo and building that reputation, though, will do the complete opposite.
theres some really good articles on graphene in pro detailers. And some blind tests going on with graphene coatings.. and graphene infused waxes v sio2 and plane wax. marketting is over the top in lots of cases for sure but its the same with every single industry on the planet. its worse in the USA than the UK. In the UK we sort of resent over the top marketting, even our TV adverts are different to USA ones.
@@ForensicDetailing Yeah I agree that overpromising marketing is not just limited to detailing, but detailing is one of those cases where it has the worst kind of marketing where most of the claims are based on how they sound and catering to emotion rather than based on reality, hard data and logic. That’s why I love companies like CarPro so much. They don’t try to oversell you and instead overdeliver. I’m sure the UK is much different, it’s just a different culture altogether. You guys have THE BEST mechanics out there. Hell there’s even a great show/channel I found recently and it’s a mechanic from the UK with his friends doing cool stuff while also being very educational. He’s called Edd China. Bet you’d love the channel. Edit: Know where I can get my hands on any of those studies?
Jon this a "Scene" product?
Might be anti scene Dave with the sheeting..
@@ForensicDetailing auto finesse fellas do love cars it nice
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😢 they need go back to drawing board! But I guess it’s just a wax
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Nothing special like all Auto Finesse product. Waste of money.
2nd
Condolences to you, better luck next time. Who was 1st then. Can you remember?
@@owensteele1645 😄😄Jawad was 1st. I was driving to the office illegal and irresponsible to text and drive
@@1stfrompuertorico568 Fair enough m8. Keep safe.
“Interesting isn’t it?” Not really. Maybe instead of obsessing over your car you should have a shave and spend some time with ya missus. It’s a car, it will always be dirty. Detailing is a con to make you spend thousands on chemicals that are worth pennies. Wake up and get a life
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