@ drove a van for work, a few times my wife was a passenger, she hated it. The constant rattle! . Sometimes I would go home after work and put on a set of noise cancelling headphones not connected to anything just for the piece and quiet.lol.
its not ass backward to ask for accuracy and wanting to eleminate the major problems before production, data collection displays strength in reliability aspects. Thats how you create a very strong and well trusted company within the industry! Glad to see these improvements and cool events/conventions! Looking forward to all future development this company has and everything that it will bring/change!
Yes, on designs I do, I freeze them and heat them and send them out to the guys with the shake table and run the voltage too high and too low. It is far better to discover that a part doesn't survive on the first unit than to discover it after the production has started.
Any new design is going to have problems. Our goal in testing is to find those problems and fix them before we build the next trucks. After a year of driving the truck around and testing I’m very happy with what we’ve learned and the upgrades we can do to the next truck
With British cars & trucks it used to be normal to drive pre-production versions to death, German autobahns for speed, north coast of Norway for cold, Sahara for heat. There would be piles of tools & spare parts aboard & just keep going till it couldn't be fixed any more & all logged faults would go back to the factory for upgrades.
@@kensmith5694 Railroad equipment is tested by essentially baking it in an oven, and then putting it into a giant freezer. Those things are expensive, but driving up to Prudhoe Bay in the winter and Death Valley in the summer is a close approximation-there are plenty of car companies that do the latter-even Bugatti. While a lot of cars do their winter testing in Norway, Michigan's Upper Peninsula could be a reasonable substitute, if Ford is any indication. But if you can say that you are testing to the same standards as Bugatti, then you've got ANOTHER great tag line!
I’m UK HGV driver. Blind spot camera! Look at the new DAF XG. Those blind spot cameras which are placed in the uk on the left corner so when we are turning left we can see pedestrians and cyclists. Also when you are somewhere very tight you are not taking your step off but ultimately will save lives! Too many cyclists/ pedestrians fatalities here. These cameras should be mandatory. In London now they are.Also decent roof spot lights. Dark country lanes when it’s raining and pitch black those spot lights are game changers ! Good luck.
Second the roof spots, I’ll have them on any truck I own after driving a KW T800 equipped with them (US oilfield well service, often miles from the nearest paved road or house). The high mount just lights up so much more when your truck is the only light source for miles.
The plain honesty of your videos absolutely shines through ... no BS here. The trust that you are building will mean that future customers surely can't wait to drive your trucks! They know that they will perform as promised.
Our truck works; we don’t need to hide the faults and struggles because we know we’ll fix them and make it better. Any company that says their prototype is perfect makes me very concerned
A few comments: Tap on every connector with a screwdriver. I have had connectors where a pin would go open circuit very briefly with a shock. These were expensive connectors. If you can find out a brand with this issue, you can avoid them. Those clamp on EMI things you find on power cables etc don't cost much but they can be a good thing to add to your CAN bus cables. All three wires of the CAN signal go through the hole. This is not about not radiating stuff out into the wilds it is about eating up any common mode RF that is coming in from the power electronics. Add a somewhat good sound system that has a sensitive AM/FM radio on it. Out in rural areas, the AM radio often can get you a local station that will do weather and traffic. Add some durable waterproof speakers on the outside and a system that plays noises when you want. In a crowded location a noise can be used to warn people that the truck is alive and may start to move. I also suggest you add a WiFi hot spot to the design where the hot spot serves up a web page with everything the truck knows reported on it. This way the owner can use their cell phone or tablet to look at the info. This way no special ODB is needed.
@@subwarpspeed Maybe either a Displayport/hdmi out (in case the internal display breaks) or an ethernet cable doing the html network webpage thing would suffice. Broadcasting wifi does take up energy, and it's just another thing to worry about securing and updating when vulnerabilities in whatever software you're using are found. Plus, with an ethernet out, it leaves the option for an access point for that option if someone wants.
I love listening to keaton diagnose the electrical problems with the truck. You can see his confidence grow whenever he is working on the computer on the camera versus when he is not. True mad genius
@@EdisonMotors The fact that he identified the RF interference and whipped up a raspberry pie to filter out the unwanted noise is awesomeness. I imagine some shielding will be applied in future instalments. Keep up the good work!
I saw my first Hummer EV in the wild the other day. Genuinely can’t wait to see my first Edison truck rolling around on the highway. You guys are inspirational.
In aviation industry, modern transport aircraft, all critical controls and sensors are dual channel, with one taking priority and other in standby. This might be something your already doing but thought I would mention it. Increases reliability but to be completely honest, we too have our computer problems and sometimes have to cycle the power switch off and on to get all the 1 and zeros working again.lol. Computers!!!
I think that'd be great, once the issues are run through. You go to a big event like that and have her shit the bed and that'll stick with them for decades.
I met Chase and Peter while on vacation in BC. Ran into them while exploring the abandoned Carolin mine, two super cool dudes. they both took time to talk about the projects that they were working on. So nice of them to take the time.
-Stainless hinge and pins solves that pin seizing. -Your hydraulic system should have a decent sized accumulator(that dumps on key off for safety). I'm sure most experienced operators are going to pull up the blade for level crossings and such at speed. So waiting for the pump to pressure up will put them off. An accumulator that will handle the volume of lifting both blades would be ideal. Also helps the pump start up under lower load until it overcomes the system check valve. That's what I'd do anyways.
Yes to SS pins so long as it is the right sort of stainless. You can have trouble with 400 series stainless not being so stainless when up against another metal.
The 5th wheel lift plates were adapted from shunt trucks and they use them offroad for pulling Derick on Drawworks in one piece through the lease/haul roads so the crown won’t hit the cab.
I definitely think that having a "safe mode"/"Limp mode" for all but the worst faults would be an important option - so if something goes haywire, you might be limited to one axle, 25mph, 5% torque or something... but at least it will still move until you get to a safe location and can run diagnostics and such.
Better yet, a series of gradated modes depending on the severity/nature of the fault. Of course, that could come MUCH later, given the complexity of programming something like that.
@@00Zy99 I believe it wouldn't be too hard to have a sequence of pre-programmed safe modes, limiting output to 50%, disconnecting a battery or two, swapping to Diesel only, running at 20% power output, and other. So when you have a fault, disabling an axel can be selected, and instructions on which and how to disable the axel safely will show up on the display, take a photo, consult your phone and that photo to follow the steps safely. A logger might find the truck runs alright at 20% power, and with a single axel active, so he can be pretty confident which axel is giving him trouble, while also having 4wd on the back getting him out of the mud with half a load of logs still attached, and when he gets back to the roadside, swap back to single Axel drive to get back to the workshop at the speed limit after hauling off the logs.
Yup. This kind of reminds me of a situation when my computer lost its primary disk. I had it set up with disk mirroring, which meant that what happened was it popped up a warning saying "you've lost a disk", but it kept running until I shut it down safely. That seems like it could be a good thing with a truck -- if it throws a fault, automatically drop into safe mode but keep driving. Also I personally would feel better if the truck had a last-ditch emergency "unsafe mode" where you could tell it "I don't care what's wrong, do whatever you can to keep moving." Nothing worse than sitting on a track with a train coming, or a mountain road with an avalanche coming, and the truck says "sorry, can't move, the axles are overheating" or whatever. That's a situation that at least 99% of drivers are only going to imagine happening, but still it would be nice to imagine I could tell the truck to keep going.
With where these trucks will be operating, it's a must. Also I think it was mentioned before. Having a power mode selection. The little 48v Toyota forklift i use daily has multiple settings for how much juice is available to the operator. Goes from turtle 🐢 to a high performance setting where it can spin the tire!!. The hydraulic pump even gets bumped up in the HP setting. Having modes that the programming can select from whilst encountering errors can save the equipment expensive repairs. There are so many possibilities.
Chase, just the fact that you took Topsy to that meet, as the lady at the end said " if you turned up, you would win hands down" was a fair assessment of any show you turn up at!!! You also, did the work and spent all that money! just the same as they did. So pleased that your going "wild" with topsy, the only way to learn is by testing and fault finding, good on you all. Best wishes as always, from UK.
When I was a kid my neighbor was an older gentleman ,everyone called him Red, and he had semis in his driveway every weekend. He hand painted logos and names on the as well as pin striping. Guys would come from all across the country to have him paint their name or logo on their trucks.
The background noise of some job sites is crazy. I don’t realize it till I get in my pick up and off site and you can feel the weight lift when you don’t have to yell any more
A thought: They make noise cancelling headphones. I wonder if it could be practically done with the sound system in a truck so that inside it is very quiet if you need it to be/
@@kensmith5694 I don't see how that should be an issue, Chevy does it with most of their cars. My old 2017 Cruze had active noise reduction and it made long drives a lot more bearable. My 2022 Kia Seltos SX (Top end model) doesn't have it, and it was kinda jarring at how much tire noise I heard. It's still plenty quiet in its own right, but not as quiet as my old more basic Chevy.
@@MichaelArtelle There is perhaps the issue that the inside surfaces of the truck cab are hard unlike those in a car. This may make the math to make it work harder.
I worked for several years at a Goodyear conveyor belt distributor / retailer. The stuff was used for an amazing number of uses because it is so tough. One use was between the body and fuel tank on some school busses for impact resistance. At one point they even tried it on Indycars as skirting for better suction down to the track (this was never legal while racing!) Love the use there on the rear of that tractor.
Asking drivers what do drivers do to improve their truck….what a concept. Paccar says they want to know what drivers think, but when you look at a new truck then compare it to a 1960 truck you see very few real changes.
Love showing you to my Canadian friends! Usually, after they start complaining about leadership.... It's great to see what the combination of passion, drive, and vision leads to!!!!
Had a quick scan of the comments, and there wasn't much reaction to the throwaway "We don't make trailers" comment... Why not? Down here in New Zealand and Australia there have been powered for trailers in the mining and forestry industries, and I see there's companies like K-Line doing it in North America. Surely powered axles and battery packs would be less of an add to an off-highway trailer than a diesel engine, transmission, diffs and so on? Depending on draw there could potentially be enough overhead in the generator in the tractor to avoid having to put a gen in each trailer. And could you imagine that - an AWD 18-wheeler!
Super epic being able to just watch along with the historic journey with topsy. Can’t imagine how stoked it’s feeling for all of you. And I love how you’re working out the bugs BEFORE you release the product. Don’t see that anymore. Great job!!
Explaining what went broke why it broke and how you gonna fix it and the keeps it’s breaking in the future …. That’s a very rare thing to hear from a truck All other builders don’t why it broke just replacing parts and hope for the best. Thanks for the video and explaining 👌🏼👌🏼
Truck being so quiet when starts moving (electronic bell) from railway locomotives. Next super test Demster highway in winter. "Red Green pulling for you."
When you finally add drive to every wheel on the truck, you gotta have a name for it. Even AWD historically doesn't have full torque and speed control to every wheel. Let's call it Full Traction.
Driving the steering set at the same power as the others won't be easy. This idea is a good one for slippery going which is also where you won't be using full torque on any motor.
@@jonathanellis8737 Dude. That sounds right. Great acronym. Probably already not in use. I can see the little chrome emblem on the side of Edison semis and pickups right now.
Many years ago, had a case like that. I will leave out the details. I asked the company president if he could get me someone to help with something. A few minutes later he joined me with his jacket off and sleeves rolled up and said they were all busy. He got the best out of people.
As an EU trucker, i got used to a flex steering collum. The first one i had was with Daf, witch was ok, but than i got one in a MAN,, that sucked, cos the angle wassent to my liking, as in, to horizontal. Than i experianced Scania, that was GREAT… And from wat i saw this far from your truck, the seat position and steering position looked or looks strange to me. So suggestion is, make a Flexible steering collum so the driver not onley has a good seat, but also a good seating possition in relation tot he steeringwheel. Nice truck nice going, so keep up the good work your doing. Kind regards,, Ton
When Rich mentioned about not driving the truck because people were all over it, I wonder if you have thought of adding a "squak" that notifies bystanders that the truck is about to move. Kinda like the back up notification of urban trucks.
Regarding explaining why you’re happy when the truck breaks: I spent most of my working life as software test engineer. The way I explained why I was happy to find bugs goes like this: We know we’re human and try as we might there will be mistakes made especially when creating/designing a new thing. So as a tester every issue I’m able to expose is something we can fix before we start shipping and won’t have the potential to affect our customers. Also, the earlier you start testing, the cheaper it is to fix the issues, especially design issues. So bravo for how much early testing I’ve seen you folks doing.
There is another vertical market. Limousines. Instead of running a 30 foot drive shaft, run 30 feet of double 00 copper power cable. Get rid of the hump in the floorboard.
I absolutely love all the things you’re doing, huge game changer for the industry! I would love to do a conversion on my 2011 Pete dump truck. It would be so nice to be able to pull up to the scale house and communicate without having to shut the motor off… and have massive amounts of power to move material of course! 💪🏼
I bet Keaton is really glad that he doesn’t work for Elon. The work environment at Edison is a positive atmosphere where faults and issues are welcome and dealt with as a challenge to grow forward and overcome. No bullshit, No corporate greed, and No egos. Just each person as a specialist in their field troubleshooting and problem solving into fruition. ❤😊👍Get er done!
37:28 I wonder if you should put the new motors etc onto Topsy so that you are programing for that system as the new trucks are in work. You could also move the old motors from Topsy to Carl, then Carl can get to work hauling loads and demonstrate the viability of the retrofit kit idea.
Your Engineers did an excellent job explaining the faults and root causes. Nice work! In the past I have seen strange electrical issues due to the connection terminations (power lugs) not being tight enough. Maybe could be something similar? Thanks for the video! Keep up the great work!
21:00 This is why Europe legally requires EV vehicles to produce a sound below a certain speed (like 30 ou 40 km/h, not sure), mainly for pedestrian safety.
I am glad I am Canadian, because I can say that the first diesel-electric tractor-trailer(Semi-truck) is a Canadian product, and I want to thank the entire Edison Motors team for the very hard work they are doing with these trucks and I home to see at least one of these trucks in person in my small Alberta town and meet the team as well, so thank you
You could program it so that if an axle throws a code the main puter automatically disables the axle and lets you continue on your way without having to bust out a laptop. That would be a lot more convenient for truckers.
As a Swede its wierd that people get impressed with 130k pounds on 1 axle, here in Sweden only gravel and timber trucks use double axle drivetrain due to offroad but all other always only have one drive axle and we haul all from 60-70t daily.
Yeah but they didn't design it that way. It's an e-axle. So the idea was a specific torque to wheel and the surprise is that at 20% of total designed power, the truck had no issue moving. Its not "one axle" its that its one axle at 40% aka 20% total power.
@bookworm8415 you can have a diesel powered tryck also with 40% throttle and still get it moved also? (Which makes sense as only at 100% throttle and right rpm you have 100% power).. im not sure if I miss understand you.
Its not so much about the axle count. It's more about how much power each axle produces and then the fact they reduced power of the good axle to about 20 % of total power and it still pulled with no problem. I think that if a typical Euro truck had its power reduced to 20% it def could not pull the same weight. I'm a huge Euro Truck fan, but at 20% power.. you're not going far.
So I hope that having that axle fault will give driver's the option to over-ride and disable a faulty axle so they can still move the vehicle off the road and out of the way, or even limp home if necessary. Or even just throw a warning, disable the faulty axle automatically, and reduce power - if you find it's necessary to do so. 33:37 Is that Raspi temporary for testing? I wouldn't use those for production vehicles, I don't think. They can be really flaky.
I love big rigs have my whole life and I don't understand why this wasn't created much sooner! This is what the industry needs! Otr off road ect this is amazing love Edison!
Something you could use when talking about wanting to see these failures on Topsy (and I assume on the first batch of sold trucks) is "fail early, fail often". When still in the development phase you want potential issues to happen so you can fix then (fail often) and you want to know it failed before serious stuff breaks (fail early). This is something a lot of software developers practice, so that they know about design problems and bugs before customers get the software.
Have you considered adding a "motion beeper" like an excavator but only for like 5 seconds? Something that could be disengaged when you're at home, but engaged when you're at the mill or shop or just anywhere there are people.
I know with elog. Im sure theirs something in the truck somewhere. But the elog itself is an app on the company phone they have us to us. Along with the navigation.
Can't say I like the place. Sure, Banff and Jasper are nice, but that's almost BC. Not a surprise that half of Alberta is vacationing in BC during the summer. Also, way too redneck/conservative. If the oil tap was ever turned off, it would just be another Alabama.
Would be cool to see a high level of component control incorporated so that by cruising through a couple of menus, or better yet flicking some manual gaureded switches, axles, pumps and whichever components could be easily cycled or shut down. Similar to how a pilot still has pretty basic level control of a machine that is usually smarter than he is. Also, maybe an incorporation of ANR (active noise reduction) into the cab to limit wind buffeting noise and all those annoying creaks from the exterior?
You need to split you can bus to few buses its more wiring but it will be less prone for one device to stop the track. Passengers car have from 3 to 6 can buses.
Well I would say. If the fault is there and you diagnosed a problem and it shows again. Instead of loading it up. Run it. Problems always show root cause in their diagnosed unsolved position. Apart from me seeing you being cautious. I love watching this come to life. Great job 🎉
It's crazy on how NA trucks all look so ancient, even the new Peterbuilt, looks like 10+ years old, compared with Europe trucks. Also, how unnecessarily large NA trucks are (such as the massive front hood, etc).
6:20 since youre already going to be working with scania engines its not a bad idea to have a look at the euro trucks. as you mention the fifth wheel, you could achive that with suspension and it would give you better offroad ground clearance aswell as the possibility to do a lift axels.
When testing- failure is always an option. You don't know what you don't know until you push it forward. Failure is a precursor of success. Go out there and suck the hardest you can, because it will drive your success.
Since its so quiet when its moving slow, you should get a Graham White E-Bell off a diesel locomotive. Just like on a train, itd be useful for warning people when moving slowly without using the horn.
3208's had electric generators on them too, though the 210HP thing is a idle thing but anyways such a small number really good for a small car... not like its 428HP 680lbft at 3200rpm, because they are. 210 is the 32'000 mile warranty output, just check the valves A SERVICE INTERVLE OUTPUT NUMBER. and if the battery BMS is having problems, maybe switching to a capacitor/shunt circuit for the high current/voltage discharge would work better.
I drive a pretty new Cascadia day cab doing local dry van stuff. This thing has all the safety bells and whistles on it. The lane keeping assistant and the blind spot radar don't work together. There's a two lane clover leaf I go through pretty frequently, and I try to take the left lane because of how the on-ramp meets the highway, bet every time I do that, the damn blind spot radar goes off because of a vehicle in the lane next to me. If the two systems talked to each other, it wouldn't squawk at me for no reason.
I do CAN configuration files for Event Data Recorders in different trucks (Road/Rail vehicle modifications) every day. Drives me insane. Every manufacturer does something different. Sometimes a little different, sometimes a lot different. It's all about forcing you to come to them for fixes. The sooner the manufacturers have an open source mandate, the sooner the aftermarket suppliers can come up with total solution packages. Until then, it's a bit from here, a bit from there...and I have to go through CAN input tables and convert everything to work. We have to get different products and connect them on a test bench and then evaluate them for compatibility. There's so much work goes into it to get aftermarket gear to talk to OEM stuff. It doesn't need to be this hard. Just imagine manufacturers building base model trucks, all the main stuff is there, and you get it fitted out for your specific usage. One CAN module with touchscreen goes in, everything sorted. Gauges for the basics, touchscreen for all the peripherals.
You're doing a great job and doing things the right way. One issue I see with all electrics is they're way too quiet for those outside the vehicle. I'm regularly walking through the parking lot at work and suddenly there's a completely silent vehicle rolling past me. Not sure what the solution is but I can see it being a big problem on a job site if you're the only electric and guys aren't aware and paying attention.
I would look at this as firstly what it is, something coming up during testing, but also as you said - the benefits of redundancy. You were able to disable the axle on the side of the road and keep going no problem on the other one
I have to say, I think it's fair that they didn't allow Topsy joining the competition. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing build and it absolutely deserves the recognition but your RUclips presence would likely skew the results massively.
True. I don't know about that Mack - was it a owner that entered it? Okay - maybe not a winner but okay. If it was Mack or a dealer then maybe not so right. Agree that too many would vote for Topsy. So second, third place etc. would be decided by much fewer people.
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Topsy, the only big rig where you can hear the jingle of your tire chains while driving down the road.
The trailer makes more noise than the truck.
We’re definitely going to need a good sound system because that drives me nuts after a while inside it
@ drove a van for work, a few times my wife was a passenger, she hated it. The constant rattle! . Sometimes I would go home after work and put on a set of noise cancelling headphones not connected to anything just for the piece and quiet.lol.
more like the only vehicle of any kind where you can hear it
because the only other vehicles that use tire chains are so loud you can’t hear them
Father Christmas?
“You are in league of your own.” I couldn’t agree more with the nice lady. Take this truck to a big American truck show.
It ought to be a real challenge to cross both borders without getting held up for an unknown equipment model.
I remember a comment they plan on taking it down to a big drag race down there now that it's just data collection. Which I'm so looking forward to.
“Hey, I think you’re fucking up here buddy” should be an official optional warning 😂😂😂
It has to be in the iconic Canadian voice. 😆
@@quazy1328 Instead of Dank pods "Sexy Speaker", you get "Condescending Canadian"
Ideally in a stereotypical, super heavy Canadian accent
Absolutely
👍👍🇨🇦@@quazy1328
its not ass backward to ask for accuracy and wanting to eleminate the major problems before production, data collection displays strength in reliability aspects. Thats how you create a very strong and well trusted company within the industry! Glad to see these improvements and cool events/conventions! Looking forward to all future development this company has and everything that it will bring/change!
Yes, on designs I do, I freeze them and heat them and send them out to the guys with the shake table and run the voltage too high and too low. It is far better to discover that a part doesn't survive on the first unit than to discover it after the production has started.
Any new design is going to have problems. Our goal in testing is to find those problems and fix them before we build the next trucks.
After a year of driving the truck around and testing I’m very happy with what we’ve learned and the upgrades we can do to the next truck
Finesse!
With British cars & trucks it used to be normal to drive pre-production versions to death, German autobahns for speed, north coast of Norway for cold, Sahara for heat. There would be piles of tools & spare parts aboard & just keep going till it couldn't be fixed any more & all logged faults would go back to the factory for upgrades.
@@kensmith5694 Railroad equipment is tested by essentially baking it in an oven, and then putting it into a giant freezer. Those things are expensive, but driving up to Prudhoe Bay in the winter and Death Valley in the summer is a close approximation-there are plenty of car companies that do the latter-even Bugatti. While a lot of cars do their winter testing in Norway, Michigan's Upper Peninsula could be a reasonable substitute, if Ford is any indication.
But if you can say that you are testing to the same standards as Bugatti, then you've got ANOTHER great tag line!
When the old boys are impressed you know you’ve done good
I’m UK HGV driver. Blind spot camera! Look at the new DAF XG. Those blind spot cameras which are placed in the uk on the left corner so when we are turning left we can see pedestrians and cyclists. Also when you are somewhere very tight you are not taking your step off but ultimately will save lives! Too many cyclists/ pedestrians fatalities here. These cameras should be mandatory. In London now they are.Also decent roof spot lights. Dark country lanes when it’s raining and pitch black those spot lights are game changers ! Good luck.
They have the offroad light bar on topsy i think. I like the camera idea, simple and brilliant
Second the roof spots, I’ll have them on any truck I own after driving a KW T800 equipped with them (US oilfield well service, often miles from the nearest paved road or house). The high mount just lights up so much more when your truck is the only light source for miles.
The plain honesty of your videos absolutely shines through ... no BS here. The trust that you are building will mean that future customers surely can't wait to drive your trucks! They know that they will perform as promised.
Our truck works; we don’t need to hide the faults and struggles because we know we’ll fix them and make it better.
Any company that says their prototype is perfect makes me very concerned
@@EdisonMotorsthat’s VERY TRUE! That’s a large part of why I’ll NEVER buy a first 2yr of a passenger vehicle that is new to large scale production.
A few comments:
Tap on every connector with a screwdriver. I have had connectors where a pin would go open circuit very briefly with a shock. These were expensive connectors. If you can find out a brand with this issue, you can avoid them.
Those clamp on EMI things you find on power cables etc don't cost much but they can be a good thing to add to your CAN bus cables. All three wires of the CAN signal go through the hole. This is not about not radiating stuff out into the wilds it is about eating up any common mode RF that is coming in from the power electronics.
Add a somewhat good sound system that has a sensitive AM/FM radio on it. Out in rural areas, the AM radio often can get you a local station that will do weather and traffic.
Add some durable waterproof speakers on the outside and a system that plays noises when you want. In a crowded location a noise can be used to warn people that the truck is alive and may start to move.
I also suggest you add a WiFi hot spot to the design where the hot spot serves up a web page with everything the truck knows reported on it. This way the owner can use their cell phone or tablet to look at the info. This way no special ODB is needed.
No special ODB needed for their plan to show info on the internal displays either, and no hotspot required.
Use Transformers voices when it gets ready to move "Excuse me, Movin' Out, please step out of the way" 😁
@@subwarpspeed Maybe either a Displayport/hdmi out (in case the internal display breaks) or an ethernet cable doing the html network webpage thing would suffice. Broadcasting wifi does take up energy, and it's just another thing to worry about securing and updating when vulnerabilities in whatever software you're using are found. Plus, with an ethernet out, it leaves the option for an access point for that option if someone wants.
@@Nelo390 I agree, have a backup output for internal display, and use ethernet for diagnostics, maybe with an api too.
Cab advise-- make the floor surface flush with the door threshold so you can sweep it out -- not like Pete
I love listening to keaton diagnose the electrical problems with the truck. You can see his confidence grow whenever he is working on the computer on the camera versus when he is not. True mad genius
Keaton is brilliant. We’re lucky to have him
@@EdisonMotors The fact that he identified the RF interference and whipped up a raspberry pie to filter out the unwanted noise is awesomeness.
I imagine some shielding will be applied in future instalments.
Keep up the good work!
I saw my first Hummer EV in the wild the other day. Genuinely can’t wait to see my first Edison truck rolling around on the highway. You guys are inspirational.
In aviation industry, modern transport aircraft, all critical controls and sensors are dual channel, with one taking priority and other in standby. This might be something your already doing but thought I would mention it. Increases reliability but to be completely honest, we too have our computer problems and sometimes have to cycle the power switch off and on to get all the 1 and zeros working again.lol. Computers!!!
Testing the limits would be taking Topsy to the fully loaded semi truck drag races!!!
I think that'd be great, once the issues are run through. You go to a big event like that and have her shit the bed and that'll stick with them for decades.
Uphill
cue iron man meme of elon yelling at an intern "Edison Motors was able to build this it in a tent, with a pile of angle grinders"!
And Stick Welders!
@Edison motors I'm placing my order for 1 hoodie and 1 shirt with the meme on it already!!!
Someone needs to create a coat of arms for them, obviously featuring angle grinders and stick welders. And a tent!
I met Chase and Peter while on vacation in BC. Ran into them while exploring the abandoned Carolin mine, two super cool dudes. they both took time to talk about the projects that they were working on. So nice of them to take the time.
Nice! That was a fun day. It was great meeting you guys
-Stainless hinge and pins solves that pin seizing.
-Your hydraulic system should have a decent sized accumulator(that dumps on key off for safety). I'm sure most experienced operators are going to pull up the blade for level crossings and such at speed. So waiting for the pump to pressure up will put them off. An accumulator that will handle the volume of lifting both blades would be ideal. Also helps the pump start up under lower load until it overcomes the system check valve. That's what I'd do anyways.
Yes to SS pins so long as it is the right sort of stainless. You can have trouble with 400 series stainless not being so stainless when up against another metal.
Or just have a different latch system that isn't as susceptible to seizing due to rust or being packed full of crap.
The 5th wheel lift plates were adapted from shunt trucks and they use them offroad for pulling Derick on Drawworks in one piece through the lease/haul roads so the crown won’t hit the cab.
I definitely think that having a "safe mode"/"Limp mode" for all but the worst faults would be an important option - so if something goes haywire, you might be limited to one axle, 25mph, 5% torque or something... but at least it will still move until you get to a safe location and can run diagnostics and such.
We’re working on that
Better yet, a series of gradated modes depending on the severity/nature of the fault. Of course, that could come MUCH later, given the complexity of programming something like that.
@@00Zy99 I believe it wouldn't be too hard to have a sequence of pre-programmed safe modes, limiting output to 50%, disconnecting a battery or two, swapping to Diesel only, running at 20% power output, and other. So when you have a fault, disabling an axel can be selected, and instructions on which and how to disable the axel safely will show up on the display, take a photo, consult your phone and that photo to follow the steps safely.
A logger might find the truck runs alright at 20% power, and with a single axel active, so he can be pretty confident which axel is giving him trouble, while also having 4wd on the back getting him out of the mud with half a load of logs still attached, and when he gets back to the roadside, swap back to single Axel drive to get back to the workshop at the speed limit after hauling off the logs.
Yup. This kind of reminds me of a situation when my computer lost its primary disk. I had it set up with disk mirroring, which meant that what happened was it popped up a warning saying "you've lost a disk", but it kept running until I shut it down safely. That seems like it could be a good thing with a truck -- if it throws a fault, automatically drop into safe mode but keep driving.
Also I personally would feel better if the truck had a last-ditch emergency "unsafe mode" where you could tell it "I don't care what's wrong, do whatever you can to keep moving." Nothing worse than sitting on a track with a train coming, or a mountain road with an avalanche coming, and the truck says "sorry, can't move, the axles are overheating" or whatever. That's a situation that at least 99% of drivers are only going to imagine happening, but still it would be nice to imagine I could tell the truck to keep going.
With where these trucks will be operating, it's a must.
Also I think it was mentioned before. Having a power mode selection. The little 48v Toyota forklift i use daily has multiple settings for how much juice is available to the operator. Goes from turtle 🐢 to a high performance setting where it can spin the tire!!. The hydraulic pump even gets bumped up in the HP setting. Having modes that the programming can select from whilst encountering errors can save the equipment expensive repairs. There are so many possibilities.
Between Rich and the Edison team you guys are gonna be unstoppable!
Chase, just the fact that you took Topsy to that meet, as the lady at the end said " if you turned up, you would win hands down" was a fair assessment of any show you turn up at!!! You also, did the work and spent all that money! just the same as they did. So pleased that your going "wild" with topsy, the only way to learn is by testing and fault finding, good on you all. Best wishes as always, from UK.
When I was a kid my neighbor was an older gentleman ,everyone called him Red, and he had semis in his driveway every weekend. He hand painted logos and names on the as well as pin striping. Guys would come from all across the country to have him paint their name or logo on their trucks.
The hand painted logo’s are so nice
32:29 "we had it working 5 minutes ago but now it doesn't want to work" As a software dev I feel for you.
The background noise of some job sites is crazy. I don’t realize it till I get in my pick up and off site and you can feel the weight lift when you don’t have to yell any more
A thought: They make noise cancelling headphones. I wonder if it could be practically done with the sound system in a truck so that inside it is very quiet if you need it to be/
That’s going to be one of the biggest benefits
@@EdisonMotorsit’s gonna be rad to see, can’t wait to find a reason to buy an Edison truck one day 🤙🏼
@@kensmith5694 I don't see how that should be an issue, Chevy does it with most of their cars. My old 2017 Cruze had active noise reduction and it made long drives a lot more bearable. My 2022 Kia Seltos SX (Top end model) doesn't have it, and it was kinda jarring at how much tire noise I heard. It's still plenty quiet in its own right, but not as quiet as my old more basic Chevy.
@@MichaelArtelle There is perhaps the issue that the inside surfaces of the truck cab are hard unlike those in a car. This may make the math to make it work harder.
I worked for several years at a Goodyear conveyor belt distributor / retailer. The stuff was used for an amazing number of uses because it is so tough. One use was between the body and fuel tank on some school busses for impact resistance. At one point they even tried it on Indycars as skirting for better suction down to the track (this was never legal while racing!) Love the use there on the rear of that tractor.
These guys are hip deep in the old expression that “experience is what you get when you didn’t get what you wanted.”
Asking drivers what do drivers do to improve their truck….what a concept. Paccar says they want to know what drivers think, but when you look at a new truck then compare it to a 1960 truck you see very few real changes.
It was neat to finally see it in person
Love showing you to my Canadian friends! Usually, after they start complaining about leadership....
It's great to see what the combination of passion, drive, and vision leads to!!!!
Your editor/producer need a raise.They're doing an amazing job as well
Had a quick scan of the comments, and there wasn't much reaction to the throwaway "We don't make trailers" comment... Why not? Down here in New Zealand and Australia there have been powered for trailers in the mining and forestry industries, and I see there's companies like K-Line doing it in North America. Surely powered axles and battery packs would be less of an add to an off-highway trailer than a diesel engine, transmission, diffs and so on? Depending on draw there could potentially be enough overhead in the generator in the tractor to avoid having to put a gen in each trailer. And could you imagine that - an AWD 18-wheeler!
They've mentioned it in previous videos, but they're too busy right now
I could see an oil company wanting a rig like that for deep bush activities. Definitely not out of the order of possibilities for EM
Super epic being able to just watch along with the historic journey with topsy. Can’t imagine how stoked it’s feeling for all of you.
And I love how you’re working out the bugs BEFORE you release the product. Don’t see that anymore. Great job!!
Explaining what went broke why it broke and how you gonna fix it and the keeps it’s breaking in the future …. That’s a very rare thing to hear from a truck
All other builders don’t why it broke just replacing parts and hope for the best.
Thanks for the video and explaining 👌🏼👌🏼
This is the first time I've seen a twinsteer outside of snowrunner. Absolutely awsome
Truck being so quiet when starts moving (electronic bell) from railway locomotives. Next super test Demster highway in winter. "Red Green pulling for you."
I mean, its pretty cool that when your drivetrain dies, you just run it on the other half
When you finally add drive to every wheel on the truck, you gotta have a name for it. Even AWD historically doesn't have full torque and speed control to every wheel. Let's call it Full Traction.
Driving the steering set at the same power as the others won't be easy. This idea is a good one for slippery going which is also where you won't be using full torque on any motor.
So its not AWD or 4-wheel drive. Let's call it mega drive or ultra drive. Tracmaster 3000. Sure-foot system
FIDS. Fully independent drive system.
@@jonathanellis8737 Dude. That sounds right. Great acronym. Probably already not in use. I can see the little chrome emblem on the side of Edison semis and pickups right now.
@@jonathanellis8737 IADS 9600
Independent Axel Drive System...the 9600 is just so we can say- "It's OVER 9000!!!"😂
19:13 So quiet the tire chains are like wind chimes.
We should be able to pick pitch so we have custom sounds per truck. 😂
The CEO cleaning his own truck is a first. Way to set an example, Chase!
Many years ago, had a case like that. I will leave out the details. I asked the company president if he could get me someone to help with something. A few minutes later he joined me with his jacket off and sleeves rolled up and said they were all busy. He got the best out of people.
As an EU trucker, i got used to a flex steering collum.
The first one i had was with Daf, witch was ok, but than i got one in a MAN,, that sucked, cos the angle wassent to my liking, as in, to horizontal.
Than i experianced Scania, that was GREAT…
And from wat i saw this far from your truck, the seat position and steering position looked or looks strange to me.
So suggestion is, make a Flexible steering collum so the driver not onley has a good seat, but also a good seating possition in relation tot he steeringwheel.
Nice truck nice going, so keep up the good work your doing.
Kind regards,, Ton
When Rich mentioned about not driving the truck because people were all over it, I wonder if you have thought of adding a "squak" that notifies bystanders that the truck is about to move. Kinda like the back up notification of urban trucks.
This sounds like a good use of the Montreal Metro "do do doo" sound. Classic, recognizable, and in use on the electric busses here in Quebec.
Locomotive bell.
29:00 Makes a ton of sense. If it already exists, use it!
Regarding explaining why you’re happy when the truck breaks: I spent most of my working life as software test engineer. The way I explained why I was happy to find bugs goes like this: We know we’re human and try as we might there will be mistakes made especially when creating/designing a new thing. So as a tester every issue I’m able to expose is something we can fix before we start shipping and won’t have the potential to affect our customers.
Also, the earlier you start testing, the cheaper it is to fix the issues, especially design issues. So bravo for how much early testing I’ve seen you folks doing.
Yes, you are absolutely right on reusing old parts excellent and brilliant
it was great meeting all you guys in Leduc. looking forward to getting a pickup kit for our 59 chev suburban limo
There is another vertical market. Limousines. Instead of running a 30 foot drive shaft, run 30 feet of double 00 copper power cable. Get rid of the hump in the floorboard.
your doing well, the diesel is has had 80 years of development already and your catching up quick
I'm glad you are working it in the real world to find the problems! That will make things better for the driver later.
I absolutely love all the things you’re doing, huge game changer for the industry!
I would love to do a conversion on my 2011 Pete dump truck. It would be so nice to be able to pull up to the scale house and communicate without having to shut the motor off… and have massive amounts of power to move material of course! 💪🏼
I bet Keaton is really glad that he doesn’t work for Elon. The work environment at Edison is a positive atmosphere where faults and issues are welcome and dealt with as a challenge to grow forward and overcome. No bullshit, No corporate greed, and No egos. Just each person as a specialist in their field troubleshooting and problem solving into fruition. ❤😊👍Get er done!
I know that as a CEO I’m often the dumbest person in the room. I just try to listen and learn from those that know what they’re doing?
37:28 I wonder if you should put the new motors etc onto Topsy so that you are programing for that system as the new trucks are in work. You could also move the old motors from Topsy to Carl, then Carl can get to work hauling loads and demonstrate the viability of the retrofit kit idea.
If you think I might be a "keyboard critic" you be wrong. I love what you are doing and fully back your concept.
Your Engineers did an excellent job explaining the faults and root causes. Nice work! In the past I have seen strange electrical issues due to the connection terminations (power lugs) not being tight enough. Maybe could be something similar? Thanks for the video! Keep up the great work!
0:02 that’s so cool you got bill burr to do a ride along 😂
21:00 This is why Europe legally requires EV vehicles to produce a sound below a certain speed (like 30 ou 40 km/h, not sure), mainly for pedestrian safety.
You need a little Truck Noise player inside, so the driver can turn it up or down to their comfort level. Still quiet outside ❤
I feel like Topsy should be treated like a Locomotive, One long Horn to grab everyone’s attention and then 2/3 toots to indicate direction
I am glad I am Canadian, because I can say that the first diesel-electric tractor-trailer(Semi-truck) is a Canadian product, and I want to thank the entire Edison Motors team for the very hard work they are doing with these trucks and I home to see at least one of these trucks in person in my small Alberta town and meet the team as well, so thank you
3:52 It is very trippy that in these shots I can hear the truck behind Topsy instead of Topsy herself. And she's pulling another truck.
You could program it so that if an axle throws a code the main puter automatically disables the axle and lets you continue on your way without having to bust out a laptop. That would be a lot more convenient for truckers.
Oilfield bumpers are also designed to be pushed with a blade, hence the wear bars on the skid plate and grille gaurd.
As a Swede its wierd that people get impressed with 130k pounds on 1 axle, here in Sweden only gravel and timber trucks use double axle drivetrain due to offroad but all other always only have one drive axle and we haul all from 60-70t daily.
Yeah but they didn't design it that way. It's an e-axle. So the idea was a specific torque to wheel and the surprise is that at 20% of total designed power, the truck had no issue moving. Its not "one axle" its that its one axle at 40% aka 20% total power.
@bookworm8415 you can have a diesel powered tryck also with 40% throttle and still get it moved also? (Which makes sense as only at 100% throttle and right rpm you have 100% power).. im not sure if I miss understand you.
Its not so much about the axle count. It's more about how much power each axle produces and then the fact they reduced power of the good axle to about 20 % of total power and it still pulled with no problem.
I think that if a typical Euro truck had its power reduced to 20% it def could not pull the same weight.
I'm a huge Euro Truck fan, but at 20% power.. you're not going far.
Since the motors are the axles, losing one also loses power. That like a Scania V8 truck suddenly is just a V4.
@subwarpspeed as far as I know and seen, the motor is in the diff right? Its not like 2 motors per axle?
@TruckedUpEVs you're definitely should be following these guys if you're not already. Greetings from Calgary.
👍 Awesome your making the most reliable truck👍
The white truck ending..... wooo thats sharp
So I hope that having that axle fault will give driver's the option to over-ride and disable a faulty axle so they can still move the vehicle off the road and out of the way, or even limp home if necessary. Or even just throw a warning, disable the faulty axle automatically, and reduce power - if you find it's necessary to do so. 33:37 Is that Raspi temporary for testing? I wouldn't use those for production vehicles, I don't think. They can be really flaky.
That was the Smokey and the Bandit trailer
I love big rigs have my whole life and I don't understand why this wasn't created much sooner! This is what the industry needs! Otr off road ect this is amazing love Edison!
Thumbs up this video to make CANBUS integrated scales hit the market faster!
Something you could use when talking about wanting to see these failures on Topsy (and I assume on the first batch of sold trucks) is "fail early, fail often". When still in the development phase you want potential issues to happen so you can fix then (fail often) and you want to know it failed before serious stuff breaks (fail early). This is something a lot of software developers practice, so that they know about design problems and bugs before customers get the software.
Have you considered adding a "motion beeper" like an excavator but only for like 5 seconds? Something that could be disengaged when you're at home, but engaged when you're at the mill or shop or just anywhere there are people.
I know with elog. Im sure theirs something in the truck somewhere. But the elog itself is an app on the company phone they have us to us. Along with the navigation.
I met the eddison guys and dboss there by leduc! Super cool show. Also got to meet peg (ZipTiesandBiasPlies)!! That was the best part lol
Any week in alberta is a fantastic week
The best part of spending a week in Alberta is the part when you get to leave.
Can't say I like the place. Sure, Banff and Jasper are nice, but that's almost BC. Not a surprise that half of Alberta is vacationing in BC during the summer. Also, way too redneck/conservative. If the oil tap was ever turned off, it would just be another Alabama.
@ Alberta has pros and cons like any place. The people that live here love what it is, but that's not for everyone.
Would be cool to see a high level of component control incorporated so that by cruising through a couple of menus, or better yet flicking some manual gaureded switches, axles, pumps and whichever components could be easily cycled or shut down. Similar to how a pilot still has pretty basic level control of a machine that is usually smarter than he is.
Also, maybe an incorporation of ANR (active noise reduction) into the cab to limit wind buffeting noise and all those annoying creaks from the exterior?
So awesome.
You need to split you can bus to few buses its more wiring but it will be less prone for one device to stop the track. Passengers car have from 3 to 6 can buses.
Well I would say. If the fault is there and you diagnosed a problem and it shows again. Instead of loading it up. Run it. Problems always show root cause in their diagnosed unsolved position.
Apart from me seeing you being cautious. I love watching this come to life. Great job 🎉
It's crazy on how NA trucks all look so ancient, even the new Peterbuilt, looks like 10+ years old, compared with Europe trucks.
Also, how unnecessarily large NA trucks are (such as the massive front hood, etc).
6:20 since youre already going to be working with scania engines its not a bad idea to have a look at the euro trucks. as you mention the fifth wheel, you could achive that with suspension and it would give you better offroad ground clearance aswell as the possibility to do a lift axels.
Look back at previous when they met with Scania in the UK and got to see the good stuff. They know.
REUSE! my favourite word. Great company Edison. Next to Tesla on my favs list
When testing- failure is always an option.
You don't know what you don't know until you push it forward.
Failure is a precursor of success.
Go out there and suck the hardest you can, because it will drive your success.
Oh, you went to Leduc, cool
I could tell from the round about and the coop
Since its so quiet when its moving slow, you should get a Graham White E-Bell off a diesel locomotive. Just like on a train, itd be useful for warning people when moving slowly without using the horn.
Learning "Leaps and Bounds" LOL at Least! Surreal. Just surreal. Nice to see common sense is ALIVE!
This thing just blows my mind how much torque this thhing has
As a heavy hauler I approved I'm very interested
3208's had electric generators on them too, though the 210HP thing is a idle thing but anyways such a small number really good for a small car... not like its 428HP 680lbft at 3200rpm, because they are. 210 is the 32'000 mile warranty output, just check the valves A SERVICE INTERVLE OUTPUT NUMBER. and if the battery BMS is having problems, maybe switching to a capacitor/shunt circuit for the high current/voltage discharge would work better.
When an Old Timer tells you that you have done a hellavu job you have officially arrived. Take that to the bank!
I drive a pretty new Cascadia day cab doing local dry van stuff. This thing has all the safety bells and whistles on it. The lane keeping assistant and the blind spot radar don't work together. There's a two lane clover leaf I go through pretty frequently, and I try to take the left lane because of how the on-ramp meets the highway, bet every time I do that, the damn blind spot radar goes off because of a vehicle in the lane next to me. If the two systems talked to each other, it wouldn't squawk at me for no reason.
Excellent.
Progressing fast.
Great vidio. Go Edison.
Just read a bunch of great comments.
You guys are doing a great job. Thank you all.
We are all getting our money's worth on this glorious ride!!
I do CAN configuration files for Event Data Recorders in different trucks (Road/Rail vehicle modifications) every day. Drives me insane. Every manufacturer does something different. Sometimes a little different, sometimes a lot different. It's all about forcing you to come to them for fixes. The sooner the manufacturers have an open source mandate, the sooner the aftermarket suppliers can come up with total solution packages. Until then, it's a bit from here, a bit from there...and I have to go through CAN input tables and convert everything to work. We have to get different products and connect them on a test bench and then evaluate them for compatibility. There's so much work goes into it to get aftermarket gear to talk to OEM stuff. It doesn't need to be this hard.
Just imagine manufacturers building base model trucks, all the main stuff is there, and you get it fitted out for your specific usage. One CAN module with touchscreen goes in, everything sorted. Gauges for the basics, touchscreen for all the peripherals.
There is this competition in which you pull bulldozer with its bucket down.
Would you guys try it with topsy?
As soon as I saw the breakdown by ray agro leduc I was doing the leonardo dicaprio pointing meme
It's soo cool to checkout these amazing trucks and gather requirements from truckers on field. 👍🏻
Truckers: check out these awesome ideas that make the truck tougher and our job easier!
Engineer: we put rock lights on it 🤓
I love everything you guys are doing! Keep up the good work!
You're doing a great job and doing things the right way. One issue I see with all electrics is they're way too quiet for those outside the vehicle. I'm regularly walking through the parking lot at work and suddenly there's a completely silent vehicle rolling past me. Not sure what the solution is but I can see it being a big problem on a job site if you're the only electric and guys aren't aware and paying attention.
Audible Pedestrian Warning Systems are on many EV's.
I would look at this as firstly what it is, something coming up during testing, but also as you said - the benefits of redundancy. You were able to disable the axle on the side of the road and keep going no problem on the other one
Now the problem we have to fix: how do we get it so a driver can fix that on the side of the road and not an engineer with a laptop
@@EdisonMotors And be able to pick which axle to cut out.
I have to say, I think it's fair that they didn't allow Topsy joining the competition. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing build and it absolutely deserves the recognition but your RUclips presence would likely skew the results massively.
True. I don't know about that Mack - was it a owner that entered it? Okay - maybe not a winner but okay. If it was Mack or a dealer then maybe not so right.
Agree that too many would vote for Topsy. So second, third place etc. would be decided by much fewer people.
I'm happy to see a full video of the Alberta trip a couple months ago. :) I hope Chace throttles back from time to time to spend time with his family.