I WILL SAY that I watched the ultimate edition of BvS last night and it does make it a lot better ALSO: apologies for misgendering Miller, genuinely wasn't intentional
There was no need to apologize since there is evidence that he is pretending to be nonbinary and has been using it as a shield which can be seen when the police came to arrest the guy.
@@vashythewabbit8288 Even if that does end up being the case, I'd hate someone watching to feel like this may not be an accepting place for them because of a screw up
@@AmandaTheJedi Yeah I guess, I just think this pos just doesn't doesn't deserve that kinda respect when he uses non binary people as a shield for his crimes. The Ezra Miller rabbit hole really is disgusting the further you go in that I recommend not going in haha
@@vashythewabbit8288misgendering isn't about respect my friend. We don't refer to certain male dictators as women. We don't refer to Ted Bundy as "She". Why would we treat trans people differently?
@@vashythewabbit8288 Unless they say they are taking it's dangerous to assume so without concrete proof. This mindset does trickle down and harms people that are much more vulnerable than that millionaire actor.
I’m just tired of superhero movies overall. There’s just so much of it that it all feels like an insanely exhausting homework assignment than watching something to be entertained for a maximum of two and a half hours. I just want to support films and TV shows that NEED the support and/or don’t get enough recognition that they deserve like the stuff Amanda recommended earlier in the video such as Talk to Me, Bottoms, Theater Camp and Past Lives.
Hollywood rarely ever learns the right lessons from unexpected successes. When “Rocky” and “Jaws” defied expectations and became hits, the lesson they learned wasn’t: “Wow. We should really have faith in unknown or undervalued creators and just see where they take us!” It was “Let’s make those movies again! But make Rocky win this time!”
"They want more movies about toys! And more explosions! And that Barbenheimer thing means we can just plug two random movies together now, and it will """go viral""", as the kids say!"
It's so annoying to me because it's DC is lowkey killing it on the small screen - My Adventures With Superman, Harley Quinn, and Peacemaker are all absolutely amazing in their own ways. And yet DC is consistently like "what if we do film that we have already made 12 times?"
*This! Agreed.* DC animated movies are usually so good that the contrast of them to their live action counterparts is astounding. Granted it doesn't take much for animation _Green Lantern_ to beat the live action one, but watching the animated _Wonder Woman_ movie first definitely made the live action one tougher to get through, because _ugh.._ that villain fight-scene at the end. _Peacemaker_ is *so* good, and was such a great follow-up for a character I very much _hated_ after his actions in _The Suicide Squad._ I had way more feelings tied up in that movie - and that show - than I ever have with any DC property.
That's the part I don't get. When you see how wel- scripted for example the animated stand alone movies like " crisis on two world" ..."Son of Batman " ..."Justice league: Public enemies " just to name a few.. are, it's unfathomable that they're unable to replicate that same good formula on the big screen for their big motion pictures...
I genuinely loved what they did with WandaVision and was really excited to see how her story would continue, only for Marvel to just completely butcher her potential in Multiverse of Madness. I so would have hoped for some more witchy lore-y mistery shenanigans.
It's interesting until it remembers is a superhero property and superhero things start happening, then it becomes a boring predictable series with a underwellming ending. Multiverse of madness is bad only if you still care about superhero movies, is great when you watch it as a Sam Raimi weirdo reel, and go to get snacks or to the bathroom when it starts having a MCU plot.
You just named my two favourite projects, they're perfectly complimentary imo. She unlocks the Darkhold despite Agatha's warning so the next time we see her, she's lost in the sauce. And now Coven of Chaos is gonna introduce my fave witch boy Wiccan. Never been happier to be a Marvel fan tbh
Totally agree! They 1000% retconned her. To the point where they literally didn't even include Vision in the multiverse of madness?? Like God that movie pissed me off
totally on the same boat, then I heard that the creators of MoM had 0% knowledge of what happened in Wandavision, which made so much sense as to why MoM was a mess.
Amanda has to be one of the few movie RUclipsrs who actually understands "franchise fatigue". So many people claiming "superhero fatigue" just because marvel and DC make trash movies now doesn't mean people are sick of superheroes.
I genuinely LIKE Superhero stories. But it's also plain to see that just rehashing the same formula doesn't work. What it would take for the genre to stay popular is innovation and fresh ideas in my opinion.
I think it's more that they're not making actual superhero stories. These heroes don't _mean_ anything, they're just action figures to smash together. Any of their original versions has more depth than what we're seeing them misused for.
If you like superhero stuff but are sick of marvel/dc you should definitely check out anime. Things like fullmetal alchemist and hunter X Hunter aren't technical superheros but if you like seeing people with powers, good fight scenes and good characters hen defo check out anime.
IMO, Eternals and Ant Man 3 are very disappointing. Eternals has big potential to have different kind of hero : healer hero, the empathetic and kind Sersi. Unfortunately, the story is too packed, repeating the same mistake by BvS, and IMO better as series. Ant Man 3 left the usual grounded, everyday life comedy and replace it with multiverse-explaining story, clearly an executive meddling.
THANK YOU! There are so many smaller scale and street level superhero stories that are absolutely worth telling. Not everything needs to be a world or multiverse ending threat.
Agreed. Smaller stakes, personal stakes, would make for a more enjoyable watch after so many huge threats. The Netflix shows for Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, and Daredevil made such a great contrast to the big blockbusters that were set to happen. And if Sony wanted to make a Venom movie that was _just_ following Eddie and Venom _on vacation_ with zero threats, I'd be in the theater opening day. (I'm sad that the _Kraven_ movie looks *so* generic. There was potential there, but movies about "villians" never pan out as well as they could.) 😥The huge, world-ending stakes one-up-manship just turns _everything_ into the worst parts of Dragonball Z.
Absolutely agree! Unfortunately that doesn't really seem to fly on the big screen with the state of the average moviegoer, and I guess there's not as much money in series, it sucks. I feel like we could finally let some lesser known heroes shine but now people are tired of it, the same people who only run to the theater for a hero that's already a household name, I wanna call them fake fans lolol. I don't feel like "mid" is an insult the way a lot of people have been using it, I like a low stakes character building story, but I guess "mid" is a lot more disappointing when you paid 30$ at the theater vs streaming a show.
i feel like the reason i care about the stakes in spiderverse is because of the amount of work they put in to flesh out the characters and make them genuinely entertaining and compelling when you don’t feel attached to the characters, stakes like “oh no the multiverse is gonna collapse and also the main superhero guy’s dad is gonna die” don’t leave you with anything other than momentary adrenaline, but they did an amazing job making you like everyone over a long period of time so you actually care about what happens to them
exactly! i wouldn't say i'm a spiderman fan but i deeply enjoyed atsv. i think the way they made each spider-person so individual but also so undeniably similar/connected was really remarkable. they all feel so real
It also really helps how the first movie did it. You cared less about peter dying than you cared about miles feeling powerless, as if its hid fault. And now in part two, when you actually built a connection to most characters the stakes are about their lives and the conflict they have with the actual physical stakes of the world.
Also they followed the Raimi presence of having sympathetic villains Kingpins main motivation was getting his family back, at all costs. Spot was created by Miles destroying the collider and is now an ostracized freak alienated from everyone And who wants to be taken seriously by the person who caused his accident Miguel o hara is an antagonist who is motivated by the fact he lost his family and world by his selfish actions which affects his judgement And alternate miles became the Prowler after his dad died, as their world did not have a spiderman to protect them Etc etc. The focus of Into Spider Verse and Across Spider Verse Is on the characters, their relationships and their motivations and goals Not just cramming as much comic book lore as you can at once into every scene.
I'm glad you mentioned Hawkeye positively, because I think it's one of the best parts of Phase 4 and nobody ever seems to talk about it. I'm biased because it's based on my favourite comic run, but the smaller scale, more character focus and the deaf rep really made it a delight.
My problem is, even with the great series you often can't tell until 2/3 of the way through if it's good or not. They tend to be great at strong starts, then drag ass in the middle and either stick the landing or drop the ball in the end. WandaVision, Loki, and Hawkeye were solid. The rest have parts I love, but I get so tired of series I feel the need to salvage.
@@chrisblake4198 One of the problems with miniseries, IMO, is that they rarely have the time to find their legs while also not having the per minute polish on their scrip that lets a movie tell its story so efficiently. Think how many old school tv shows where the first seasons was typically not considered the best. And those shows often had more episode and arcs in a single season, to figure out what worked and what didn't, than a modern 8 episode a season show has in its entire series. When a miniseries sticks the landing, it really hits it out of the park. When it falls flat though . . . there's no room to recover.
i miss real storytelling. i have similar feeling for all of Netflix right now. If the numbers don't match their idea of profit then it's dropped. It kills most of the joy of watching shows and having theories on what will happen next and giving the characters/ actors to get the chance to grow.
Tbh it’s why I enjoy apple and some amazon originals. They are focused on good storytelling and amazing acting, (season 2 of wheel of time is incredible so far). They are not wasting $$ on the biggest name actors hoping it drags enough people in, dispatches from elsewhere and undone are two of the most underrated shows on Amazon that are now two of my favourite series of ALL time. Both of these companies are happy to put money into series knowing they may not make it back right away because they want to have good content available and that’s so nice and rare to see now. I’d really suggest checking both of those out, most people have caught up with seeing the best stuff on apple which is good, people were sleeping on that stuff but now they are getting around to seeing it/ apple still has a very small library of originals so it’s a bit easier.
@@ShadowSonic2 I certainly would not say the plot is fluff. There was plenty of substance. It's more so the fact that Across the Spiderverse is still an incomplete story.
27:59 I also find Black Mask really scary in Bird of Prey, because I actually end up worrying about those characters (mostly Black Canary). And that's what's important, not a bean that might destroy the world, but I knife that might kill a character I like.
Yes, also a trope of fantasy for a long time, since LotR is about saving the world, every boring book had to be aboutI this. Never mind the world had no character I'd miss, you have to care, it's the W O R L D? Right? While there is another, massive genre about solving just one murder... Also, I too found birds of prey a little dull, on the whole. Liked the visual look of the film and some goofy moments but it failed to grab me, plot and character wise.
@@TulilaSalome I care more about Harley Quinn's sandwich in BoP then I care about the world in most of the movies. I would say that's a trend older than Lord of the Rings, tho...
Blue Beetle was originally intended to be a Max (or whatever it's called these days) exclusive with a smaller budget, it's a shame that WB was too cheap to improve the VFX effects once the decision was made to release it in theaters. Regardless, imo it still manages to be better than a lot of what both Marvel and DC have put out recently thanks to the characters and emotional stakes of the story. I'm glad that James Gunn intends to keep this version of Blue Beetle/Jaime Reyes around, because there's still a lot more to be explored with the character and his fans deserve at least one sequel. Flash has no excuse for how bad it looks though, that was always intended to be a big budget blockbuster. Another massive L on WB's part.
Even as a fan I understand people getting superhero fatigue. It’s why Top Gun went ballistic at the box office. And Barbie and Oppenheimer performing well. The original Marvel universe connectivity was very exciting when we had it, but Endgame felt FINAL. And then it just continued. I don’t blame the average moviegoer for wanting something new. And we all should want something fresh when it comes to movies and television.
It's not even superhero fatigue. It's sequel fatigue at large. Yeah, Top Gun was a sequel, but like Blade Runner, it was a sequel to a movie from a lifetime ago it feels like, and it's a damn good movie first. Every movie or series now seems to be about trying to lock you into watching a bunch of other movies and shows, and there's only so much time in a day. It's why I never bothered getting into the superhero movie glut in the first place - I don't want to have to watch million of disparate media to figure out what the one movie I'm watching is about. Give me single films or series that I can follow without having to make one of those webs of strings like what you see at the start of the RE3 remake. I don't think it's a coincidence that DC's highest-quality films aren't connected to a vast universe - The Nolan Batman films, THE BATMAN, the Keaton Batman movies, Chris Reeve's Superman, and of course Joker. They tell good stories in a relatively isolated setting, and that's not a a bad thing.
@@jesuszamora6949 Top Gun was backed by the Pentagon, they kept the film in theaters long past the usual runtime, any movie with those boosts would make mad money
the reason why hawkeye is my favorite disney plus show is because it understands its stakes so well, and works its characters so well into them. It's fun small stakes stuff, and that's always been my favorite area of comics
i find it hilarious that some of the best content that DC has ever made are their cartoons, not their films. they just deal with their themes better and more consistently in animation, like young justice, teen titans (not GO, the other one), and my adventures with superman, for example.
my pet theory about that is that thanks to the legacy of frank miller, the thing that most often kills DC projects is trying too hard to be dark and edgy, but with the cartoons, they can't rely on that because of the younger audience demographic, so they have to try harder to actually write a compelling story In the same way, trying to hard to be funny is most often what kills marvel stuff, so their more serious movies tend to be their best ones
Worldwide audiences are never going to show predictable patterns based solely on service level stuff like whether or not it’s a superhero movie. Success is about what it’s always been about: building hype ahead of the movie and the movie being entertaining enough to justify positive word of mouth and repeat viewings
Also, GOTG and Spider-Verse are both franchises with high quality films in them. The audiences went because they knew that they could trust the films were going to be good.
Guardians also isn’t even a “super hero” movie, its a movie about antiheros, which are almost arguably more enjoyable than your stereotypical good guy superhero movie. They are bad people + criminals who do good things for each other, but are never really seen as the “good guys” in their own universe.
@@miyumixxxNone of that matters, as much as the ongoing meta wants you to believe audiences as a whole care about surface level stuff like that, the vast majority of people go to the movies when they see a cool trailer or hear something is good from a third party, it really doesn’t matter what the movie is superficially
What makes me sad is I'm a HUGE X-Men fan (Storm is thee baddest never gonna change lol) but the mutants are just a great human rights allegory. At first I was excited to see what the MCU would do with them but now I'm afraid of them not putting the soul into it ;and just throw away a franchise I've been waiting to see on the big screen again since I was a kid with the cash grab summery of stories they've been doing lately.
Ngl I was so disappointed in the previous run of X-Men that I don't want them to ever attempt it again lmao. Even though I know my fav characters would be treated a lot better in the current marvel universe than they were in that version. Definitely think the X-Men deserve a series format to really shine though, large ensembles need room to breath, part of what I love about the X-Men is there are so many cool characters just trying to live average lives but those types fall to the background in favor of the main action group. Unfortunately I don't think there's as much profit on series so they'll probably end up on the big screen again.
I completely agree. Storm is one of my favorite comic characters of all time. But like you, I'm now really worried about an MCU X-Men being clumsy, tone deaf, and not handling the complexity of the story well. I can just picture it being a Mouse-approved sanitized approach to the message of the X-Men. Think back to the first X-Men with the scene of Magneto at the concentration camps. It's pretty raw for its time. I'm not so sure we'd get a scene like that now.
Across the Spiderverse is a great example, of how when a superhero movie has is actually well-written and compelling, people will fall in love with it. I imagine some people are tired of bad super hero movies - not all of them.
@@ShadowSonic2 What do you mean? The movies are widely praised, because people enjoy the memorable cast of characters, defining characters moments, etc. Are the movies perfect? No, but they are still far better than what the DCEU has been putting out.
The trait I started noticing lately which I always saw as a bad sign was people were more excited about credit scenes and would tell me the movie was forgettable which I understand the tease of what’s coming is always good but when no one cares about what they just watched there is a problem.
I do find it interesting that, though it seems small in hindsight, the MCU also risked the burnout problem right after the Avengers. In fact the situation was eerily similar to now, where the films coming out after the big buildup were mostly underwhelming, with Guardians and Winter Soldier being the two bright spots. What I think is different now is that there is no new cohesive center keeping the ship moving forward. For casual movie goer Stan Bob all you need to see is the ‘Avengers’ tag in the title and know you’ll be watching a big action movie with plenty of characters you like well enough and not be confused. More avid fans can watch the secondary films to get more nuance, but the presumption is that the only required viewing is the Avengers stuff. (Yes I know by Infinity War this was already strained and missing films like Ragnarok and Guardians would leave a lot of blanks but I consider that the beginning of the problems we’re seeing now) But right now, in the year of our lord 2023, what is the MCU mainline? Is it Doctor Strange? Is it Antman? Is it Spiderman? Stan Bob now has to look at every Marvel movie and he sure as hell doesn’t know which ones are supposed to be the big blockbusters, and given he’s already seen the finale for all the characters he cared about now seems like a great time to drop. This only gets worse now that the TV shows are starting to play into the movies, too. A show is so much more of a time commitment and the list of required reading is getting to unmanageable levels for people not (somehow) still paying attention. You know I’m pretty middling on the original Avengers movie, but thinking about this has made me realize just how important creating that rock solid core team was to the MCU’s winning streak thereafter. The DCEU tried doing it like three times and failed, and right now Marvel is floating aimlessly despite what I’m presuming are multiple attempts to get a band together again. If I had to guess why, it may be because The Avengers is the only one where the whole plot centers on ‘getting the band together’. Yes Loki is doing his thing but Loki is just the facilitator in the team creation process; Act One is getting everyone together, Act Two is trying (and failing) to work together and the consequences of failure, and Act Three is the actual team working together bit. At least when I think of DCEU films the creation of the teams were very presumptive, the focus was less on ‘how can we work together’ and more ‘oh golly gee this world ending threat sure means business’. But I don’t know the DCEU that well so feel free to tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about.
You described this perfectly, this is exactly how I feel as an average marvel fan. Ive watched loki and moon knight and what if, but I liked moon knight the best because it was focused on one dude and his journey. No linking plots, no grand scheme to tie into the multiverse, just a story
Personally, I haven’t been able to get invested in the newer Marvel movies because I’m not emotionally attached to the characters introduced post-infinity war. It’s like Disney has suddenly forgotten how to make emotional stories. Unless directors like Ryan Coogler or James Gunn have heavy influence in the movie, it feels like the rest of the movie are just different versions of the same thing, which is often a childish cringe-fest with a forced cameo. It doesn’t help that a lot of the newer characters have been introduced in TV shows, which a lot of people simply don’t have the time to watch on a weekly basis. Characters like Moon Knight, Ms Marvel and She Hulk all have tv show origin stories, instead of big screen events like the Cap/Iron Man/Thor movies. Those were the films that got us invested in the MCU and Disney seems to have left that behind.
So well said! I also feel that with the MCU we had a core set of heroes who had a lot of appearances outside their own movies so even though there were so many heroes by the end, the first phases were indisputably primarily the story of just that core group. We followed their arc and they were the heart and soul that drew in even people who had no history with the comics.
Thor 4 was a big disappointment for me because they refused to take serious theme : loss of faith. They got god killer as villain, but there's no real theme about being god or having faith.
Also, since i don't subscribe to Disney + due to star wars, the lack of availability of the MCU shows elsewhere just means I have become disconnected. I watch reactions to some but I care less as time goes on. There is a huge entertainment glut. Something has to be good and to my tastes or I'm not going to spend my time and money on it. If they were to start an EU specific star wars under a crew that were fans of the EU, I'm ready to hand over my money. If they are willing to return to making 1960s-2000s canon Marvel, my money is waiting for them. I do *not* like dystopic and/or deconstructionist material tho.
Ms Marvel and Steven Grant were very easy to get emotionally attached to. Much more so than Steve Rogers, who makes like 3 facial expressions in the entire mcu.
@@Fantallana I think Steven Grant turned in a solid performance but Moon Knight suffered from being rushed at all most every level. Iman Vellani is extremely likable and her show is an original character plus observations on Pakinstani family life in an upbeat positive setting. If it were available outside of Disney+ I might watch it. The comic book left me cold after 3 issues. It was just.. odd. But Ms. Marvel is (kind of) exactly what we need instead of genderbending an existing popular character, create a genuinely new character. And then *stick with it and back it up* til its audience finds it. Can't agree with you on Chris Evans acting talent. He's very good, in my opinion. And after seeing him outside the MCU, you realize just how good. His Steve Rogers is a fully realized multi-dimensional character with strengths and weaknesses (and weaknesses that Evans sincerely turns into strengths as an actor). I don't dislike the MCU tho. I dislike Disney because their attitude towards Star Wars legacy character *and* customers made it clear they were intentionally "not making the films for me" any more. So I spend my money and time on other things. But if they turn out a *faithful* EU line (even with recast actors), some of my money is still waiting in my pocket.
I really hope we can get more smaller super hero movies and series. You know the moments in which I loved Falcon and Winter Soldier? When Bucky is at therapy, and Falcon is trying to get a loan.
Hard agree. And that’s ultimately what they sold it to us as when they first announced it and released teasers and then we got….that. I was so disappointed because I really just wanted therapy. And the conversation about how hard Sam has to work to keep up with all the people with powers/upgrades of various types, AND to do that while also balancing a life that existing before any of it. God forbid they tell a quiet story every now and then.
@@talic-os5899 I think they also would have built a lot more goodwill toward the character and the next phase(s) of the MCU after all the major player exits (obvs especially Chris Evans’)
I miss Jessica Jones and Daredevil, and even Luke Cage. Yep there were a couple of weaker seasons, but the well written and sensible interconnected stories focused in one city with no sky beams was fun.
Daredevil and Jessica Jones were so interesting. The fact that it was directed towards a more mature audience gave them so much freedom and helped explore other themes in a much more brutal and honest way. They were honestly unsettling at points, The Punisher too, and though they weren't without faults, were some of Marvel's productions that made me feel the most things.
for me personally, the og Marvel phase 1-3 came out during my teenage years and I was really attached to the characters and how they built up the infinity saga over years. With that story coming to an end and a lot of the main cast members' contracts ending, it just didn't feel the same anymore. Additionally the tonal changes in the phase 4 entries is quite the drastic chance and is just straight up cringe. I think they had the chance to built up sth similar to IW with Secret Invasion which is a very beloved comic storyline but then they just scrapped that post Captain Marvel and crammed it into the Nick Fury series
"The Multiverse" is an interesting concept but we've mostly seen it used to help the studios, not the audience, by making it easier to do reboots, retcons, and lazy writing.
Shoutout to Zemo being not only a great "low stakes" villain but also surviving to fight another day. Maybe one day Marvel can be trusted to put Bruhl in a movie again rather than just forgetting the character exists. But then I've never enjoyed "galactic overlord with a huge expendable army working to collect seven magic dragonballs so he can make his evil wish come true" villains all that much, so it's no surprise Thanos wasn't my favorite. Zemo ftw.
The problem is, they hire Big A Lister actors to do villains and those A Listers wouldn't want to get locked into a longer contract. People complaining about Gorr in Thor 4 not being an Arc villain across several movies don't realize that Christian Bale never would have signed on for that.
WB plans for DCEU are like ep of Kitchen Nightmares where chef talks of franchising his crappy restaurant and Gordon Ramsey snaps "you haven't got fucking ONE right yet!"
Movies like The Flash are what happen when greedy studio execs don't value movies as an artform or even an experience and treat them as food for the content trough. Here's hoping the strikes help change that.
If I wasn't such a fan of DC, Looney Tunes, Harry Potter, etc and didn't have stuff I cared about on Max, I would never buy another product from Warner Bros again.
"This is a terrible mess of a video" THis is exactly the style of content we love from you Amanda. Release the filter, pure thoughts, rant and ramble your heart's content.
The creation of Disney+ killed Disney and it’s depressing. Marvel was creating some of the best seasons of television of the decade with Legion, Daredevil, and season 1 of Jessica Jones, and they chose quantity over quality. The worst part is that you could tell that Netflix at least learned from the mistakes because the second season of Iron Fist improved and the 3rd season of Daredevil was masterful.
I disagree tbh. I can't speak for the Netflix show, but honestly Marvel produced some absolute BANGER D+ shows. WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, a lot of them were fantastic honestly. Like I don't disagree with the quantity over quality bit, but the one thing I'd argue that one thing the D+ shows have going for them is you can tell everyone genuinely cared about the characters in them rather than what we see in some of the recent movies. Like there are duds (What If and Loki are bad) but I can't deny that watching the behind the scenes content for it you can tell everyone involved is passionate about it and that's really cool to me tbh
@@kestreldomann2787what if and Loki are bad to you??? Lower than Falcon????? Whhhhaaaaaaat-- I will watch the former again once their sequel seasons release but not the latter
@@kilian-one-l I'll watch it again now that I'm more open minded and need a break from Star Wars Rebels but I thought it was almost universally meh so I was genuinely asking What did you like about it? Feel free to spoil I'm familiar with her origin and whatever
I think i loved Blue beetle so much because I've never cared for that type of movie anyways and when i do watch them, they always happen to be the 'off brand' movie. I didn't even know of the blue beetle as a character, it was just really good to me. I also don't have high expectations of anything, i don't look into things. It was perfect to me, it looked amazing to me, the story was perfect for me, and for me it was perfect. Sorry for rambling a bit about that movie, it made me really happy and inspired a full redesign of one of my personal characters
I agree, I really like Batman and I always heard that the Flash is much better than the tv series shows, so if it weren’t for Ezra this would’ve been a certain “go to cinema for” movie
The collapse of the superhero movie has so many parallels to the collapse of the Hollywood musical. Just wondering what’s going to be the marvel equivalent to “Hello Dolly”
Probably "The Marvels". They aren't doing enough marketing at this moment and never really built up Captain Marvel enough on the big screen to lead a big tent film in a post Pandemic World. Their saving grace might be that Dune is delaying its release for another few months as it really doesn't have any major competition in the action/scifi genre in the Holiday Season time slot. So maybe Marvel can get lucky and delay it's "Hello Dolly" moment for another day, but yeah Disney needs to learn that less is more. As for Superheroes as a whole, I think we have already seen our Hello Dolly moment with "The Flash".
@@jonathanbowers8964They truly did let down Captain Marvel as a character. She's barely been a presence since introduced at the tail end of the Infinity Saga (and I don't hate her in live action or the comics), and the movie doesn't do a good enough of job of making her likeable or showing us why she's special. It's a decent movie, but not great, and within the first 5 years of the MCU, we had seen Iron Man on screen multiple times.
Having not seen The Flash and going purely by the bits of the scene you played here it looks like the baby scene was them trying to copy the one big "Quicksilver irreverently zooms through an incredibly perilous scene turning the danger into a total joke" scene per movie the Fox X-films put in after introducing him.
That's what I was thinking about. Just like that scene where Quicksilver saves everybody and still has time for a snack. It made me cringe a bit in X-Men but it's ok once. Not more.
Blue Beetle was actually awesome imo, it’s formulaic but they executed it with a lot of care & heart. The effects and fights were great too. I guess I just hadn’t seen a classic spider-man style origin movie in a while that just committed to the bit with such sincerity.
Also love how you can still see, the ending of The Flash he was meant to be in the new DCU. The “who the fuck is this” wasn’t shown, because it was the uncasted new Batman. But at some point, Ezra went on a fucking crime spree, so now his ass is stuck in the Clooneyverse. Hilarious movie
Not sure if the Ezra scandal didn't affect the box office. His erratic behaviour was very public and went on for quite a while. I felt that whenever a RUclips channel would talk about the movie (pre-release) most comments were people saying how they would not see the movie because of him.
Feel same tbh, like the movie wasn't great, but I really doubt it would've been the biggest superhero flop if it wasn't for Ezra method acting as the wrong Flash irl.
Oh, heck yea-- I was not going to see any film with Ezra Miller and I'm not going to see any film with Amber Heard. I'm shocked they didn't recast both parts. Those two actors are toxic and remove at least 100 million each off the box office of any superhero (maybe any non-independent) film they are in. There are plenty of nice, kind, hard-working actors who are decent human beings and who could be swapped in to the movies. Oh and that Snow White actress-- that's a little manipulative sociopath there. I will not see anything Rachel Zegler's in. She makes my skin crawl in the same way Ezra Miller did.
@usernotfound.......1918 yes. Based on 45 years, experience, she's a bad apple. Definately comparable. She just prettier, so you are missing it. She's going to hurt people if she hasn't already.
Dune actually was the first movie I watched after several month of crazy s*it going on and it managed to pull me out a little from a bad state of mind and I was excited for part two and it was sad to hear about the delay, since it bears such a significance to me. But we always have to wait for movies, so wait a bit more. I know you simply mentioned it, but I couldn't help but commenting on it. As for superhero movies, I have to agree on a lot of it.
Just saw Blue Beetle this week with a friend and I have to say I enjoyed it very much. It could be that I'm not super invested in all these superhero movies like others but I just loved the characters and the closeness of the family along with some of the fight scenes.
Blue Beetle was very generic plot wise, but I loved the characters and performances so much it really made it worth it. Also it had some very good moments like the afterlife scene, the villain’s flashback, and all the action scenes.
Wakanda Forever is honestly one of my favorite MCU movies, period. Letitia Wright gave such depth in her performance, and seeing her story arc was so wonderful (as someone who has been a Shuri fan for YEARS). Ryan Coogler and Joe Robert Cole did a phenomenal job. I really hope to see them do more stuff for Marvel. I’ve been obsessed with comics my whole life, so I’ll never get tired of superhero movies that tickle my fancy, regardless of whether or not other people like them. I definitely want GOOD superhero movies, and I feel BP: WF and GOTG3 gave emotional, compelling stories that qualify as such. But I also understand that what I think is “good” is not necessarily what other people might deem “good”. I’m fairly easy to please, and I’m ok with that.
@@claytonberg721 not sure to whose politics you’re referring, but I believe the choice they made for the lead made the most narrative sense. Shuri has been Black Panther in the comics before. It wouldn’t make sense for Nakia to take the mantle, especially considering she outright rejected taking the herb in the first movie, telling Ramonda she is “ a spy with no army”. Shuri likely has been trained from birth to take the throne, seeing as she was second in line. And Ryan Coogler stated in an interview that he chose to focus on Shuri for WF because Chadwick had stated that Shuri was his favorite character. Ryan realized that Shuri was the only character in the franchise who has “never lived in a world without T’Challa”, and so he wanted to explore what losing him would look like for her and how she would cope with that. I think Letitia did an excellent job. She’s a phenomenal actress.
@@MerryMutant shuri's actress is an anti-vaxxer, probably what they were referring to. i agree with you, while i wasn't the biggest fan of WF picking the new black panther was a really hard hole to write themselves out and in that regard i think they did a fine job. they weren't just picking a new black panther, who could be anyone, they were picking the character who would pay the most respect to t'challa and chadwick boseman, and shuri is really the only candidate for that role.
I went and saw Jurassic Park in 3D in theaters for its 30th anniversary on my 30th birthday. I've seen it a million times but I still love it. I also saw the flash in theaters. Jurassic Park's special effects look better than the flash. Granted the flash was doing things that required more cgi than JP did, I still think it looked horrible and i couldnt stop thinking how fake everything looks, while JP is 30 years old and still holds up really well today.
Failure of Mission: Impossible is quite interesting because movie is awesome and it very focused on delivering character driven stories that I got invested as much as GotG team. I guess it was booming production budget over pandemic shooting and unfortunate release window. It's already out of screens in my city a month after release when Top Gun sit there for a half of year !
I really liked ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ and ‘Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3’ cuz it had nothing to do with the multiverse. I remember hearing James Gunn arguing it’s not superhero fatigue but fatigue from mediocre/lazy superhero movies. Which I completely agree cuz I still haven’t watched ‘Secret Invasion’ but I feel like I need to to understand anything in future movies/tv shows
I think people are being too harsh on Gunn for blaming him for the Flash and Blue Beetle when in reality he had NO hand in the production of those 2 movies other than talking about where they fit in the new DCU, tho I think Blue Beetle shouldn't be hated that much cause its a fun watch and is pretty underrated despite the genericness.
as a huge HUGE fan of blue beetle, i thought the movie was fun enough but was pretty surprised they ignored so much of the material from the comics when writing the plot. jaime's story is SO deeply rooted in themes of identity, belonging, and what it means to be seen as "alien" (from the original setting in el paso, to the multiple cross-border storylines, to jaime's main villains being the alien civilization that created the scarab, etc.). i feel like a more faithful adaptation would've felt unique in the huge mass of modern superhero cinema and avoided the inevitable iron man comparisons we ended up with
It's kind of funny how each Blue Beetle adaptation includes a major part of him while excluding others. The movie included his family, Young Justice had a comic-accurate Reach invasion and his relationship with Traci, Batman: Brave and the Bold had Paco and El Paso, etc.
I dont really have strong opinions on Blue Beetle but i am happy to see Xolo is getting movie work. Good for him! Also - I loved Hawkeye and I appreciate the recognition.
Blue Beetle was surprisingly good in my opinion. I saw it almost randomly because there was an English language version showing at my neighborhood cinema (I live in France by the way, where dubbing is king 🤮🤢). There were some cheesy parts but only is the good telenovela kind of way. But thank god I'm from California originally and got most of the Mexican references, yes, it's specifically Mexican, and recognized a couple actors from telenovelas and the jab at Thalia in Maria from the Barrio 😂, I had to explain a lot of those references to my French partner because they kniw nothing about that part if the world. But as for it being DCU, I actually liked how there were very very brief mentions to let you know it's in that world, but otherwise it felt like you weren't in that world at all. It was a fun summer movie.
I agree with so much of this. I hope that Marvel burns it all down with Secret Wars. It could work. Just start from scratch with a few hold over actors. Adjust some storylines too.
Multiverses can be very tricky to navigate and generally it's just better to keep them all separated. The Fate franchise developed by Type-Moon in Japan has a very comprehensive multiverse because the various series don't typically overlap with others. Thanks to this, the series Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya is a specific story about it's OWN unique multiverse and doesn't force you to get a headache from thinking too hard about the fact that it is, technically, a multiverse inside of a multiverse. The only series that interacts with the multiverse is Fate/Grand Order, but it's easily explainable (either just "this version of the character is from a different universe in which x happened" or it's just parody and you're not supposed to think about it). I always end up comparing Marvel and DC films to Fate because Fate is similar in size and scope, and the writers tend to do it better.
And the Fate franchise benefits from people writing for it because they love the franchise. You can tell there's still real passion behind it, even in the more modern releases.
@whiteraven562 Oh absolutely, there's a few Fate projects I'm not extremely fond of but I haven't really hated any one of them or thought "I wasted my time with this."
My problem with Fate is that it adapts things in a weird order. Like Grand Order for example. I don´t exatly which one was first, but right now we have the prologue, singularities 6(I think) and 7, and then the ending. Most of the story from singularities 1-5 is still just a phone game. Besides, we still don´t have a properly adapted to the very start of the entire series, Stay/Night - Fate route, causing a ton of confusion about where to start for new watchers. (I think the Deen version is pretty watchable, for all its mess, but still. Though I hear this situation might get "fixed" in the future. I hope.)
While I know Blue Beetle wasn't groundbreaking, I still enjoyed it so much - the family, the heart, the love for the characters. It has a lot of cheese and not the best effects, but what it does well, it does super well. Plus, it was just an entertaining movie, full stop. Even though Jaime is going to be in the new DCU, they didn't try to soft launch a million projects in his movie; it was an overall contained, cheesy superhero movie that just wanted to tell a good story. I do wish it got more love at the box office, but I suspect it's likely DCEU fatigue because I wasn't even excited to see it at first, thinking WB had somehow intervened again. Hopefully it gets a decent following once it goes to streaming and Gunn keeps the charm of what made everyone like Jaime so much moving forward.
I think it was good but i wanted it to be more. I think more inner conflict between jaime and the scarab rather than external conflict with some cartoon villain
I'll say the first thing that turned me off with the DCEU Flash is using the Rebirth origin. The whole Barry becomes a hero because of his moms killer never sat well with me and I keep hoping one day we'll go back to his pre 2010 origin
I feel like Blue Beetle had to go through that introductory, somewhat formulaic first-appearance movie in order to grow from there. I watched the movie here in México (Monterrey) and everyone in the crowd loved it. The jokes landed and the characters were so relatable. That’s a bias for sure, but hey, I’m excited to see more of Xolo and the cast in the future! Great video btw!!
There was a movie called Sorcerer from 1977. It bombed at the box office because of Star wars. The phenomenom is considered a drastical demographic shift because people prefered watching big budget fantasy than adult content ... Now The Flash and Blue Beetle failed and Oppenheimer succeeds. It's the opposite effect
I watched Patrick Willems video shortly before this one and I think what he has to say about "content" is really relevant to what you were discussing today. I won't give a TDLR because I think everyone should watch it alongside this video, but I will say that when you were talking about the "content" that the companies are producing, his video gave your video a really interesting complexion.
I wish all of Hollywood would watch Amanda's videos and take the Jedi's advice. These are always so spot on. I had the same frustration about upping the stakes with Supernatural. I love that show so much, but it really thrived on one shots, humor, and its FANTASTIC characters. The monster of the week episodes were always so much fun and showcased so many of the show's strengths. But as it progressed it left more and more of the one shot format behind and I just don't think we needed every episode to focus on another world ending apocalypse when we could have killer clown chaos or helping a ghost find peace. 👻
I think the effects in Blue Beetle worked because they made good use of its limited budget by rarely relying on CGI. For instance, the Blue Beetle suit is real and CGI is only used to enhance it. It makes the character feel more grounded and lifelike. Compared to The Flash, where they used (bad) CGI for nearly everything and made things look plastic and life-less. Carapax felt more like a tangible threat than the literal multiverse falling apart.
OKAY I SAW THEATRE CAMP AND I LOVED IT It was clearly made by people who love theatre dearly and it was so fun to watch with my friends who are techies or actors too. It was a really fun time.
As someone who's fallen so much in love with MCU Wanda, I still treasure WandaVision (which I think is a really good show and so well done) and I absolutely loved Multiverse of Madness (controversial, but they embraced the trash movie parts, leaned into it and to me, it worked really well). After that I kinda lost interest in watchin yet another movie with them kinda requiring to watch everything they release in chronological order, including x amount of tv series.
So I love both WV and MoM (especially Wanda within them) and feel the served the character in different ways. Dealing with all the things Wanda has gone through over the course of being in the MCU in WV was a great case study in trauma and how it compounds and how she has used coping methods, even when unhealthy, to try and deal with it all in a very consumable way. It did set up MoM Wanda knowing she just lost her kids and Vis for what? the third time on top of everything else and knowing that reading the Darkhold corrupts anyway it isn't a giant leap into MoM and about to become a mum I recognise how strong my want to protect my kid already is. For MoM I love horror so Raimi doing the MCU gave me great joy and there are some stunning film making choices within that movie. I think/hope the next we see Wanda and white Vis will be a chance at redemption for the character and potentially actually healing from both the trauma and falling victim to the corruption of the Darkhold. The Darkhold is easily an allegory for toxic influence on an already vulnerable person after being trauma effected. White Vis might be the voice of reason after she's completed her destruction of the Darkholds across the multiverse to rebuild herself as a force for good. MoM also brought back Hayley Atwell and gave us Cap Carter and I love it for that too despite the outcome crushing my dreams so quickly. Wanda and Cap Carter are my favourites for sure. Closely followed by Moonknight
I actually enjoyed Blue Beetle, I went to watch it with my nephew and there were so many things we could relate to Jaime's family. My only criticism of the movie is that is seemed to struggle a bit to decide if it wanted to be a comedy or a more "serious" movie. Other than that it is a great movie both to me, never having heard about Blue Beetle, and for my nephew, who did know of him. As far as for future DC films I would like to see a Batman film with Mr. Freeze as the main villain. His story is very compelling and can be easily enjoyed by anyone not familiar with him; it's also overdue after the disaster with Arnold Schwarzenegger. I do think a new Spiderman film series can be done with Kingpin as the new villain, having to deal with the Kingpin's group of villains; just not the arc where he turns into a human/spider hybrid due to the accelerated mutation (I would not watch that again). The animated series of all these superheroes are a great blueprint. If movie studios follow them these films should be good to go, and actually good to watch.
The weirdest thing is that...this is pretty much what happened to the comics. History is literally repeating itself. Connected universes that are way too big to sustain themselves. Massive retcons to try and fix major problems. Editor mandates. This has all happened before.
Writers contradicting what's happening simultaneously with characters in other stories because no one keeps track anymore. Remolding characters into whoever they need for their specific story. Stories serving only to fill time between massive event crossovers. Billionaire execs not realising that most people simply *can't afford* to consume every new release. Great work failing because no one could notice it existed amongst everything else. Only difference is they're losing a few thousand dollars each project instead of a few hundred million. Though creators, retailers and fans still suffer the consequences while execs get rich.
Definitely agree with your point about Ms. Marvel. It's my favorite of the marvel shows, and I got attached because of the CHARACTERS. I loved Kamala, Bruno, Ammi, Abbu, Nakia, and Aamir! I got invested because the actors did a great job bringing the characters to life. And also the last few episodes bored me a little, with the action sequences and the whole story with the Djin. I was most invested when it was just Kamala learning her powers with her friend, trying to keep it a secret but failing miserably, and having crushes/being crushed on.
THAT MORBIUS CONNECTION (and by extension the connection to Jared “I’m not a c*lt leader I swear” Leto) MAKES ME REALIZE THIS WHOLE THING WAS A LONG CON TO GET EVERYONE I N D O C T R I N A T E D
I'm starting to advocate for a live action, R rated, psychological thriller/horror Scarecrow movie because that shit would be terrifying and incredible to see.
I don't think Ms. Marvel can be classed as having a world-ending finale, since the finale mainly involved Kamala protecting her community and coming to terms with her cultural identity. The Djinn didn't even do much.
thank goodness this is FINALLY happening, I've been waiting for years for this... i'd rather nothing than superhero movies... I can't wait for whatever comes out next... hopefully it's something I can get into... tho I'm kinda expecting it to not be at this point.
Yup, when Marvel announced their new phase after Endgame I checked out. That was waaay too much I did really enjoy the latest(?) Batman, though. The gritty origin style one with Robert Patterson
The most important part of this review is how badly I freaked out about that special edition boxset of Beck Mongolian Chop Squad and I am not even kidding.
To be fair to Jaime’s Blue Beetle, one of his most notable enemies is the Reach and their alien invasion… so they probably don’t want to start an origin film with that.
Thor: Love & Thunder and Morbius are the only two movies I’ve EVER stopped watching with the intent to never finish. It’s so incredibly sad to put those two movies in the same sentence.
So glad you brought up Spiderverse - super hero films do have potential to be cool! So many are so same-y though. Really excited for the new animated TMNT movie though!
I just want to watch movies without having to do homework. Why does going to the movies now have pre-requisites? I want to just sit down and enjoy a film without feeling like I’m being quizzed on what I learned two years ago.
That comment about Marvel movies trying to one-up themselves hits home. Shang-Chi would've had a way better climax focusing on Shang-Chi's conflict with Wenwu, but instead it all got hijacked by Generic CGI Doomsday Demon.
![Twenty One Pilots - The Line (from Arcane Season 2) [Official Audio]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/XCz7WUotXs8/mqdefault.jpg)
I WILL SAY that I watched the ultimate edition of BvS last night and it does make it a lot better
ALSO: apologies for misgendering Miller, genuinely wasn't intentional
There was no need to apologize since there is evidence that he is pretending to be nonbinary and has been using it as a shield which can be seen when the police came to arrest the guy.
@@vashythewabbit8288 Even if that does end up being the case, I'd hate someone watching to feel like this may not be an accepting place for them because of a screw up
@@AmandaTheJedi Yeah I guess, I just think this pos just doesn't doesn't deserve that kinda respect when he uses non binary people as a shield for his crimes. The Ezra Miller rabbit hole really is disgusting the further you go in that I recommend not going in haha
@@vashythewabbit8288misgendering isn't about respect my friend. We don't refer to certain male dictators as women. We don't refer to Ted Bundy as "She". Why would we treat trans people differently?
@@vashythewabbit8288 Unless they say they are taking it's dangerous to assume so without concrete proof. This mindset does trickle down and harms people that are much more vulnerable than that millionaire actor.
I’m not tired of superhero movies, I’m tired of bad superhero movies.
I’m just tired in general
I’m just tired of superhero movies overall. There’s just so much of it that it all feels like an insanely exhausting homework assignment than watching something to be entertained for a maximum of two and a half hours. I just want to support films and TV shows that NEED the support and/or don’t get enough recognition that they deserve like the stuff Amanda recommended earlier in the video such as Talk to Me, Bottoms, Theater Camp and Past Lives.
What even is good superhero movie tho? They always have the same concept, you know before you go watch it what would happen to the hero.
A mood
Same!
The problem with the newer MCU and older DCEU is that they’re too busy making super hero movies instead of making movies that have super heroes
100%
Identity Politics so they can get a pat on the back by aggressive Twitter users.
@@NytellemBarbie is a billion dollar movie and it's woke as heck.
Nice try, but no. Marvel fails because their movies just suck.
@@TheStephaneAdam Remember back when we could just call something bad BECAUSE it was bad?
Pepridge farms remembers!
@@TheStephaneAdam Marvel doesn't even suck, at worst the current films are a tad middling but that's it
Hollywood rarely ever learns the right lessons from unexpected successes. When “Rocky” and “Jaws” defied expectations and became hits, the lesson they learned wasn’t: “Wow. We should really have faith in unknown or undervalued creators and just see where they take us!” It was “Let’s make those movies again! But make Rocky win this time!”
“The mom shark wants revenge! That’s not silly at all!”
If those movies came out now the next one would have Rocky fighting Jaws before they realize they need to team up and save the world from aliens.
"They want more movies about toys! And more explosions! And that Barbenheimer thing means we can just plug two random movies together now, and it will """go viral""", as the kids say!"
@@merrittanimation7721 Jaws 3D was absurd though.
@@brianh9358 Jaws The Revenge... whoo boy that was worse XD
It's so annoying to me because it's DC is lowkey killing it on the small screen - My Adventures With Superman, Harley Quinn, and Peacemaker are all absolutely amazing in their own ways. And yet DC is consistently like "what if we do film that we have already made 12 times?"
Exactly! DC excels with its shows and then the movies are just... truly awful
*This! Agreed.* DC animated movies are usually so good that the contrast of them to their live action counterparts is astounding. Granted it doesn't take much for animation _Green Lantern_ to beat the live action one, but watching the animated _Wonder Woman_ movie first definitely made the live action one tougher to get through, because _ugh.._ that villain fight-scene at the end.
_Peacemaker_ is *so* good, and was such a great follow-up for a character I very much _hated_ after his actions in _The Suicide Squad._ I had way more feelings tied up in that movie - and that show - than I ever have with any DC property.
I was going to mention that My Adventures with Superman has been SO refreshing.
That's the part I don't get. When you see how wel- scripted for example the animated stand alone movies like " crisis on two world" ..."Son of Batman " ..."Justice league: Public enemies " just to name a few.. are, it's unfathomable that they're unable to replicate that same good formula on the big screen for their big motion pictures...
DC animation has always been killin' it while their big theatrical live action releases struggle.
I genuinely loved what they did with WandaVision and was really excited to see how her story would continue, only for Marvel to just completely butcher her potential in Multiverse of Madness. I so would have hoped for some more witchy lore-y mistery shenanigans.
It's interesting until it remembers is a superhero property and superhero things start happening, then it becomes a boring predictable series with a underwellming ending. Multiverse of madness is bad only if you still care about superhero movies, is great when you watch it as a Sam Raimi weirdo reel, and go to get snacks or to the bathroom when it starts having a MCU plot.
You just named my two favourite projects, they're perfectly complimentary imo.
She unlocks the Darkhold despite Agatha's warning so the next time we see her, she's lost in the sauce. And now Coven of Chaos is gonna introduce my fave witch boy Wiccan. Never been happier to be a Marvel fan tbh
Even the ending?
Totally agree! They 1000% retconned her. To the point where they literally didn't even include Vision in the multiverse of madness?? Like God that movie pissed me off
totally on the same boat, then I heard that the creators of MoM had 0% knowledge of what happened in Wandavision, which made so much sense as to why MoM was a mess.
Amanda has to be one of the few movie RUclipsrs who actually understands "franchise fatigue". So many people claiming "superhero fatigue" just because marvel and DC make trash movies now doesn't mean people are sick of superheroes.
I genuinely LIKE Superhero stories. But it's also plain to see that just rehashing the same formula doesn't work. What it would take for the genre to stay popular is innovation and fresh ideas in my opinion.
I think it's more that they're not making actual superhero stories. These heroes don't _mean_ anything, they're just action figures to smash together. Any of their original versions has more depth than what we're seeing them misused for.
If you like superhero stuff but are sick of marvel/dc you should definitely check out anime. Things like fullmetal alchemist and hunter X Hunter aren't technical superheros but if you like seeing people with powers, good fight scenes and good characters hen defo check out anime.
IMO, Eternals and Ant Man 3 are very disappointing.
Eternals has big potential to have different kind of hero : healer hero, the empathetic and kind Sersi. Unfortunately, the story is too packed, repeating the same mistake by BvS, and IMO better as series.
Ant Man 3 left the usual grounded, everyday life comedy and replace it with multiverse-explaining story, clearly an executive meddling.
Can you stop saying formula its bad
@@DomingoCa-r3o English isn't my first language, why is it bad?
THANK YOU! There are so many smaller scale and street level superhero stories that are absolutely worth telling. Not everything needs to be a world or multiverse ending threat.
Agreed. Smaller stakes, personal stakes, would make for a more enjoyable watch after so many huge threats. The Netflix shows for Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, and Daredevil made such a great contrast to the big blockbusters that were set to happen. And if Sony wanted to make a Venom movie that was _just_ following Eddie and Venom _on vacation_ with zero threats, I'd be in the theater opening day. (I'm sad that the _Kraven_ movie looks *so* generic. There was potential there, but movies about "villians" never pan out as well as they could.)
😥The huge, world-ending stakes one-up-manship just turns _everything_ into the worst parts of Dragonball Z.
Absolutely agree! Unfortunately that doesn't really seem to fly on the big screen with the state of the average moviegoer, and I guess there's not as much money in series, it sucks. I feel like we could finally let some lesser known heroes shine but now people are tired of it, the same people who only run to the theater for a hero that's already a household name, I wanna call them fake fans lolol. I don't feel like "mid" is an insult the way a lot of people have been using it, I like a low stakes character building story, but I guess "mid" is a lot more disappointing when you paid 30$ at the theater vs streaming a show.
i feel like the reason i care about the stakes in spiderverse is because of the amount of work they put in to flesh out the characters and make them genuinely entertaining and compelling
when you don’t feel attached to the characters, stakes like “oh no the multiverse is gonna collapse and also the main superhero guy’s dad is gonna die” don’t leave you with anything other than momentary adrenaline, but they did an amazing job making you like everyone over a long period of time so you actually care about what happens to them
realizing this could be summed up as emotional stakes >>>>>>>> physical stakes lmao
exactly! i wouldn't say i'm a spiderman fan but i deeply enjoyed atsv. i think the way they made each spider-person so individual but also so undeniably similar/connected was really remarkable. they all feel so real
It also really helps how the first movie did it. You cared less about peter dying than you cared about miles feeling powerless, as if its hid fault.
And now in part two, when you actually built a connection to most characters the stakes are about their lives and the conflict they have with the actual physical stakes of the world.
Bingo. Character driven stories tend to be the most impactful in my personal opinion
Also they followed the Raimi presence of having sympathetic villains
Kingpins main motivation was getting his family back, at all costs.
Spot was created by Miles destroying the collider and is now an ostracized freak alienated from everyone
And who wants to be taken seriously by the person who caused his accident
Miguel o hara is an antagonist who is motivated by the fact he lost his family and world by his selfish actions which affects his judgement
And alternate miles became the Prowler after his dad died, as their world did not have a spiderman to protect them
Etc etc.
The focus of Into Spider Verse and Across Spider Verse
Is on the characters, their relationships and their motivations and goals
Not just cramming as much comic book lore as you can at once into every scene.
I'm glad you mentioned Hawkeye positively, because I think it's one of the best parts of Phase 4 and nobody ever seems to talk about it. I'm biased because it's based on my favourite comic run, but the smaller scale, more character focus and the deaf rep really made it a delight.
That's bc we don't talk about Clint Hawkeye. Because he's bland. Because he's just the hawkguy. But we love Kate Bishop cuz she's spicy
Loved Hawkeye. It’s one of the few I watched repeatedly
My problem is, even with the great series you often can't tell until 2/3 of the way through if it's good or not. They tend to be great at strong starts, then drag ass in the middle and either stick the landing or drop the ball in the end.
WandaVision, Loki, and Hawkeye were solid. The rest have parts I love, but I get so tired of series I feel the need to salvage.
@@chrisblake4198 One of the problems with miniseries, IMO, is that they rarely have the time to find their legs while also not having the per minute polish on their scrip that lets a movie tell its story so efficiently.
Think how many old school tv shows where the first seasons was typically not considered the best. And those shows often had more episode and arcs in a single season, to figure out what worked and what didn't, than a modern 8 episode a season show has in its entire series.
When a miniseries sticks the landing, it really hits it out of the park. When it falls flat though . . . there's no room to recover.
I feel like there's this pervading myth that bigger stakes make for better or more appealing stories. I've seen zero evidence of this.
i miss real storytelling. i have similar feeling for all of Netflix right now. If the numbers don't match their idea of profit then it's dropped. It kills most of the joy of watching shows and having theories on what will happen next and giving the characters/ actors to get the chance to grow.
Real storytelling still exists - see something like Across the Spiderverse or Arcane, or Puss in Boots the Last Wish, Nope, Invincible, etc.
I have seen both many times and I love them. 😊@@Stew91
Tbh it’s why I enjoy apple and some amazon originals. They are focused on good storytelling and amazing acting, (season 2 of wheel of time is incredible so far). They are not wasting $$ on the biggest name actors hoping it drags enough people in, dispatches from elsewhere and undone are two of the most underrated shows on Amazon that are now two of my favourite series of ALL time. Both of these companies are happy to put money into series knowing they may not make it back right away because they want to have good content available and that’s so nice and rare to see now. I’d really suggest checking both of those out, most people have caught up with seeing the best stuff on apple which is good, people were sleeping on that stuff but now they are getting around to seeing it/ apple still has a very small library of originals so it’s a bit easier.
@@Stew91 Eh, Spiderverse is more about it's crazy visuals than the plot. The plot is fluff
@@ShadowSonic2 I certainly would not say the plot is fluff. There was plenty of substance. It's more so the fact that Across the Spiderverse is still an incomplete story.
27:59 I also find Black Mask really scary in Bird of Prey, because I actually end up worrying about those characters (mostly Black Canary). And that's what's important, not a bean that might destroy the world, but I knife that might kill a character I like.
I actually wanted to talk about Birds of Prey a bit (positively) but the video was just getting too long and I have a full video on it!
Birds of Prey has the honor of being the seconded movie ever that i have watched and FALLEN ASLEEP TO! 😪😪😂
Yes, also a trope of fantasy for a long time, since LotR is about saving the world, every boring book had to be aboutI this. Never mind the world had no character I'd miss, you have to care, it's the W O R L D? Right? While there is another, massive genre about solving just one murder... Also, I too found birds of prey a little dull, on the whole. Liked the visual look of the film and some goofy moments but it failed to grab me, plot and character wise.
@@TulilaSalome I care more about Harley Quinn's sandwich in BoP then I care about the world in most of the movies. I would say that's a trend older than Lord of the Rings, tho...
Yes we need more knives and fewer world destroying hammers
Blue Beetle was originally intended to be a Max (or whatever it's called these days) exclusive with a smaller budget, it's a shame that WB was too cheap to improve the VFX effects once the decision was made to release it in theaters. Regardless, imo it still manages to be better than a lot of what both Marvel and DC have put out recently thanks to the characters and emotional stakes of the story. I'm glad that James Gunn intends to keep this version of Blue Beetle/Jaime Reyes around, because there's still a lot more to be explored with the character and his fans deserve at least one sequel.
Flash has no excuse for how bad it looks though, that was always intended to be a big budget blockbuster. Another massive L on WB's part.
Even as a fan I understand people getting superhero fatigue. It’s why Top Gun went ballistic at the box office. And Barbie and Oppenheimer performing well. The original Marvel universe connectivity was very exciting when we had it, but Endgame felt FINAL. And then it just continued. I don’t blame the average moviegoer for wanting something new. And we all should want something fresh when it comes to movies and television.
It's not even superhero fatigue. It's sequel fatigue at large. Yeah, Top Gun was a sequel, but like Blade Runner, it was a sequel to a movie from a lifetime ago it feels like, and it's a damn good movie first. Every movie or series now seems to be about trying to lock you into watching a bunch of other movies and shows, and there's only so much time in a day. It's why I never bothered getting into the superhero movie glut in the first place - I don't want to have to watch million of disparate media to figure out what the one movie I'm watching is about. Give me single films or series that I can follow without having to make one of those webs of strings like what you see at the start of the RE3 remake.
I don't think it's a coincidence that DC's highest-quality films aren't connected to a vast universe - The Nolan Batman films, THE BATMAN, the Keaton Batman movies, Chris Reeve's Superman, and of course Joker. They tell good stories in a relatively isolated setting, and that's not a a bad thing.
@@jesuszamora6949 Top Gun was backed by the Pentagon, they kept the film in theaters long past the usual runtime, any movie with those boosts would make mad money
the reason why hawkeye is my favorite disney plus show is because it understands its stakes so well, and works its characters so well into them. It's fun small stakes stuff, and that's always been my favorite area of comics
Plus, it's based on the Matt Fraction/David Aja comics, which is one of the best things Marvel has ever put out and everyone should read.
It's honestly a great watch. I loved it.
There is only one multiverse that commands the respect of all who watch it, and that's the 3 alternate universes in Edgar Wright's Cornetto trilogy
Facts
Yes.
Now that’s a concept I can get behind!
i find it hilarious that some of the best content that DC has ever made are their cartoons, not their films. they just deal with their themes better and more consistently in animation, like young justice, teen titans (not GO, the other one), and my adventures with superman, for example.
my pet theory about that is that thanks to the legacy of frank miller, the thing that most often kills DC projects is trying too hard to be dark and edgy, but with the cartoons, they can't rely on that because of the younger audience demographic, so they have to try harder to actually write a compelling story
In the same way, trying to hard to be funny is most often what kills marvel stuff, so their more serious movies tend to be their best ones
@@Sapphykins this actually makes a lot of sense.
Guardians and Spider-verse both did great because they looked great before they came out and reviews & word of mouth were also great
Worldwide audiences are never going to show predictable patterns based solely on service level stuff like whether or not it’s a superhero movie. Success is about what it’s always been about: building hype ahead of the movie and the movie being entertaining enough to justify positive word of mouth and repeat viewings
Also, GOTG and Spider-Verse are both franchises with high quality films in them. The audiences went because they knew that they could trust the films were going to be good.
Guardians also isn’t even a “super hero” movie, its a movie about antiheros, which are almost arguably more enjoyable than your stereotypical good guy superhero movie.
They are bad people + criminals who do good things for each other, but are never really seen as the “good guys” in their own universe.
@@miyumixxxdisregarding the tie in with the avenger, i also do not see GoG as superhero movies but a space pirate movie
@@miyumixxxNone of that matters, as much as the ongoing meta wants you to believe audiences as a whole care about surface level stuff like that, the vast majority of people go to the movies when they see a cool trailer or hear something is good from a third party, it really doesn’t matter what the movie is superficially
What makes me sad is I'm a HUGE X-Men fan (Storm is thee baddest never gonna change lol) but the mutants are just a great human rights allegory. At first I was excited to see what the MCU would do with them but now I'm afraid of them not putting the soul into it ;and just throw away a franchise I've been waiting to see on the big screen again since I was a kid with the cash grab summery of stories they've been doing lately.
Ngl I was so disappointed in the previous run of X-Men that I don't want them to ever attempt it again lmao. Even though I know my fav characters would be treated a lot better in the current marvel universe than they were in that version. Definitely think the X-Men deserve a series format to really shine though, large ensembles need room to breath, part of what I love about the X-Men is there are so many cool characters just trying to live average lives but those types fall to the background in favor of the main action group. Unfortunately I don't think there's as much profit on series so they'll probably end up on the big screen again.
I completely agree. Storm is one of my favorite comic characters of all time. But like you, I'm now really worried about an MCU X-Men being clumsy, tone deaf, and not handling the complexity of the story well. I can just picture it being a Mouse-approved sanitized approach to the message of the X-Men. Think back to the first X-Men with the scene of Magneto at the concentration camps. It's pretty raw for its time. I'm not so sure we'd get a scene like that now.
Across the Spiderverse is a great example, of how when a superhero movie has is actually well-written and compelling, people will fall in love with it. I imagine some people are tired of bad super hero movies - not all of them.
The Spiderverse movies are well regarded for their crazy animation, not their plots or characters
@@ShadowSonic2 What do you mean? The movies are widely praised, because people enjoy the memorable cast of characters, defining characters moments, etc. Are the movies perfect? No, but they are still far better than what the DCEU has been putting out.
The trait I started noticing lately which I always saw as a bad sign was people were more excited about credit scenes and would tell me the movie was forgettable which I understand the tease of what’s coming is always good but when no one cares about what they just watched there is a problem.
Oh I am DEFINITELY photoshopping that picture of the Flash
nnooo not digital vandalism
@@AmandaTheJediyou’re very pretty and awesome I really really like you
I do find it interesting that, though it seems small in hindsight, the MCU also risked the burnout problem right after the Avengers. In fact the situation was eerily similar to now, where the films coming out after the big buildup were mostly underwhelming, with Guardians and Winter Soldier being the two bright spots. What I think is different now is that there is no new cohesive center keeping the ship moving forward. For casual movie goer Stan Bob all you need to see is the ‘Avengers’ tag in the title and know you’ll be watching a big action movie with plenty of characters you like well enough and not be confused. More avid fans can watch the secondary films to get more nuance, but the presumption is that the only required viewing is the Avengers stuff. (Yes I know by Infinity War this was already strained and missing films like Ragnarok and Guardians would leave a lot of blanks but I consider that the beginning of the problems we’re seeing now)
But right now, in the year of our lord 2023, what is the MCU mainline? Is it Doctor Strange? Is it Antman? Is it Spiderman? Stan Bob now has to look at every Marvel movie and he sure as hell doesn’t know which ones are supposed to be the big blockbusters, and given he’s already seen the finale for all the characters he cared about now seems like a great time to drop. This only gets worse now that the TV shows are starting to play into the movies, too. A show is so much more of a time commitment and the list of required reading is getting to unmanageable levels for people not (somehow) still paying attention.
You know I’m pretty middling on the original Avengers movie, but thinking about this has made me realize just how important creating that rock solid core team was to the MCU’s winning streak thereafter. The DCEU tried doing it like three times and failed, and right now Marvel is floating aimlessly despite what I’m presuming are multiple attempts to get a band together again. If I had to guess why, it may be because The Avengers is the only one where the whole plot centers on ‘getting the band together’. Yes Loki is doing his thing but Loki is just the facilitator in the team creation process; Act One is getting everyone together, Act Two is trying (and failing) to work together and the consequences of failure, and Act Three is the actual team working together bit. At least when I think of DCEU films the creation of the teams were very presumptive, the focus was less on ‘how can we work together’ and more ‘oh golly gee this world ending threat sure means business’. But I don’t know the DCEU that well so feel free to tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about.
You described this perfectly, this is exactly how I feel as an average marvel fan. Ive watched loki and moon knight and what if, but I liked moon knight the best because it was focused on one dude and his journey. No linking plots, no grand scheme to tie into the multiverse, just a story
Personally, I haven’t been able to get invested in the newer Marvel movies because I’m not emotionally attached to the characters introduced post-infinity war. It’s like Disney has suddenly forgotten how to make emotional stories. Unless directors like Ryan Coogler or James Gunn have heavy influence in the movie, it feels like the rest of the movie are just different versions of the same thing, which is often a childish cringe-fest with a forced cameo.
It doesn’t help that a lot of the newer characters have been introduced in TV shows, which a lot of people simply don’t have the time to watch on a weekly basis. Characters like Moon Knight, Ms Marvel and She Hulk all have tv show origin stories, instead of big screen events like the Cap/Iron Man/Thor movies. Those were the films that got us invested in the MCU and Disney seems to have left that behind.
So well said! I also feel that with the MCU we had a core set of heroes who had a lot of appearances outside their own movies so even though there were so many heroes by the end, the first phases were indisputably primarily the story of just that core group. We followed their arc and they were the heart and soul that drew in even people who had no history with the comics.
Thor 4 was a big disappointment for me because they refused to take serious theme : loss of faith. They got god killer as villain, but there's no real theme about being god or having faith.
Also, since i don't subscribe to Disney + due to star wars, the lack of availability of the MCU shows elsewhere just means I have become disconnected. I watch reactions to some but I care less as time goes on. There is a huge entertainment glut. Something has to be good and to my tastes or I'm not going to spend my time and money on it.
If they were to start an EU specific star wars under a crew that were fans of the EU, I'm ready to hand over my money.
If they are willing to return to making 1960s-2000s canon Marvel, my money is waiting for them.
I do *not* like dystopic and/or deconstructionist material tho.
Ms Marvel and Steven Grant were very easy to get emotionally attached to. Much more so than Steve Rogers, who makes like 3 facial expressions in the entire mcu.
@@Fantallana I think Steven Grant turned in a solid performance but Moon Knight suffered from being rushed at all most every level.
Iman Vellani is extremely likable and her show is an original character plus observations on Pakinstani family life in an upbeat positive setting. If it were available outside of Disney+ I might watch it. The comic book left me cold after 3 issues. It was just.. odd.
But Ms. Marvel is (kind of) exactly what we need instead of genderbending an existing popular character, create a genuinely new character. And then *stick with it and back it up* til its audience finds it.
Can't agree with you on Chris Evans acting talent. He's very good, in my opinion. And after seeing him outside the MCU, you realize just how good. His Steve Rogers is a fully realized multi-dimensional character with strengths and weaknesses (and weaknesses that Evans sincerely turns into strengths as an actor).
I don't dislike the MCU tho. I dislike Disney because their attitude towards Star Wars legacy character *and* customers made it clear they were intentionally "not making the films for me" any more. So I spend my money and time on other things.
But if they turn out a *faithful* EU line (even with recast actors), some of my money is still waiting in my pocket.
I really hope we can get more smaller super hero movies and series. You know the moments in which I loved Falcon and Winter Soldier? When Bucky is at therapy, and Falcon is trying to get a loan.
I honestly would have watched 6 episodes of Bucky and Sam palling around fixing the family boat.
Hard agree. And that’s ultimately what they sold it to us as when they first announced it and released teasers and then we got….that. I was so disappointed because I really just wanted therapy. And the conversation about how hard Sam has to work to keep up with all the people with powers/upgrades of various types, AND to do that while also balancing a life that existing before any of it. God forbid they tell a quiet story every now and then.
@@prophetessoftroy and like, they could save SO MUCH MONEY with this sort of story. Not everything needs tons and tons of special effects.
@@talic-os5899 I think they also would have built a lot more goodwill toward the character and the next phase(s) of the MCU after all the major player exits (obvs especially Chris Evans’)
I miss Jessica Jones and Daredevil, and even Luke Cage. Yep there were a couple of weaker seasons, but the well written and sensible interconnected stories focused in one city with no sky beams was fun.
Daredevil and Jessica Jones were so interesting. The fact that it was directed towards a more mature audience gave them so much freedom and helped explore other themes in a much more brutal and honest way. They were honestly unsettling at points, The Punisher too, and though they weren't without faults, were some of Marvel's productions that made me feel the most things.
for me personally, the og Marvel phase 1-3 came out during my teenage years and I was really attached to the characters and how they built up the infinity saga over years. With that story coming to an end and a lot of the main cast members' contracts ending, it just didn't feel the same anymore. Additionally the tonal changes in the phase 4 entries is quite the drastic chance and is just straight up cringe. I think they had the chance to built up sth similar to IW with Secret Invasion which is a very beloved comic storyline but then they just scrapped that post Captain Marvel and crammed it into the Nick Fury series
it doesnt feel the same because the directors hate that part of the MCU. thats why they blame you for not liking their films.
@@kool4209 No MCU Director ever blamed fans for anything
Antman 3 blamed the fans for having poor taste and not enjoying his trash film. Taika Washxtti...... wanna run that by me one more time?@@ShadowSonic2
"The Multiverse" is an interesting concept but we've mostly seen it used to help the studios, not the audience, by making it easier to do reboots, retcons, and lazy writing.
The babies falling out of the hospital!! I have not laughed that hard at an out of context movie scene since cruella 's mom got murdered by dalmatians
I liked Michelle Yeoh's take on the Multiverse I didn't go over the moon with it like a lot of people did but I did like that movie.
Shoutout to Zemo being not only a great "low stakes" villain but also surviving to fight another day. Maybe one day Marvel can be trusted to put Bruhl in a movie again rather than just forgetting the character exists. But then I've never enjoyed "galactic overlord with a huge expendable army working to collect seven magic dragonballs so he can make his evil wish come true" villains all that much, so it's no surprise Thanos wasn't my favorite. Zemo ftw.
The problem is, they hire Big A Lister actors to do villains and those A Listers wouldn't want to get locked into a longer contract. People complaining about Gorr in Thor 4 not being an Arc villain across several movies don't realize that Christian Bale never would have signed on for that.
WB plans for DCEU are like ep of Kitchen Nightmares where chef talks of franchising his crappy restaurant and Gordon Ramsey snaps "you haven't got fucking ONE right yet!"
Movies like The Flash are what happen when greedy studio execs don't value movies as an artform or even an experience and treat them as food for the content trough. Here's hoping the strikes help change that.
If I wasn't such a fan of DC, Looney Tunes, Harry Potter, etc and didn't have stuff I cared about on Max, I would never buy another product from Warner Bros again.
Nah
They dont value as a product too
"This is a terrible mess of a video"
THis is exactly the style of content we love from you Amanda. Release the filter, pure thoughts, rant and ramble your heart's content.
The creation of Disney+ killed Disney and it’s depressing. Marvel was creating some of the best seasons of television of the decade with Legion, Daredevil, and season 1 of Jessica Jones, and they chose quantity over quality. The worst part is that you could tell that Netflix at least learned from the mistakes because the second season of Iron Fist improved and the 3rd season of Daredevil was masterful.
I disagree tbh. I can't speak for the Netflix show, but honestly Marvel produced some absolute BANGER D+ shows. WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, a lot of them were fantastic honestly. Like I don't disagree with the quantity over quality bit, but the one thing I'd argue that one thing the D+ shows have going for them is you can tell everyone genuinely cared about the characters in them rather than what we see in some of the recent movies. Like there are duds (What If and Loki are bad) but I can't deny that watching the behind the scenes content for it you can tell everyone involved is passionate about it and that's really cool to me tbh
People actually liked Jessica Jones??? That's so wild to me
@@kestreldomann2787what if and Loki are bad to you??? Lower than Falcon????? Whhhhaaaaaaat-- I will watch the former again once their sequel seasons release but not the latter
@@nailinthefashion Season 1 was fantastic what are you talking about
@@kilian-one-l I'll watch it again now that I'm more open minded and need a break from Star Wars Rebels but I thought it was almost universally meh so I was genuinely asking
What did you like about it? Feel free to spoil I'm familiar with her origin and whatever
I think i loved Blue beetle so much because I've never cared for that type of movie anyways and when i do watch them, they always happen to be the 'off brand' movie. I didn't even know of the blue beetle as a character, it was just really good to me. I also don't have high expectations of anything, i don't look into things. It was perfect to me, it looked amazing to me, the story was perfect for me, and for me it was perfect. Sorry for rambling a bit about that movie, it made me really happy and inspired a full redesign of one of my personal characters
I think Ezra's controversies definitely had a chunk of impact on the bix office for Flash
I agree, I really like Batman and I always heard that the Flash is much better than the tv series shows, so if it weren’t for Ezra this would’ve been a certain “go to cinema for” movie
The collapse of the superhero movie has so many parallels to the collapse of the Hollywood musical. Just wondering what’s going to be the marvel equivalent to “Hello Dolly”
Probably "The Marvels". They aren't doing enough marketing at this moment and never really built up Captain Marvel enough on the big screen to lead a big tent film in a post Pandemic World. Their saving grace might be that Dune is delaying its release for another few months as it really doesn't have any major competition in the action/scifi genre in the Holiday Season time slot. So maybe Marvel can get lucky and delay it's "Hello Dolly" moment for another day, but yeah Disney needs to learn that less is more.
As for Superheroes as a whole, I think we have already seen our Hello Dolly moment with "The Flash".
@@jonathanbowers8964They truly did let down Captain Marvel as a character. She's barely been a presence since introduced at the tail end of the Infinity Saga (and I don't hate her in live action or the comics), and the movie doesn't do a good enough of job of making her likeable or showing us why she's special. It's a decent movie, but not great, and within the first 5 years of the MCU, we had seen Iron Man on screen multiple times.
Having not seen The Flash and going purely by the bits of the scene you played here it looks like the baby scene was them trying to copy the one big "Quicksilver irreverently zooms through an incredibly perilous scene turning the danger into a total joke" scene per movie the Fox X-films put in after introducing him.
That's what I was thinking about. Just like that scene where Quicksilver saves everybody and still has time for a snack. It made me cringe a bit in X-Men but it's ok once. Not more.
Blue Beetle was actually awesome imo, it’s formulaic but they executed it with a lot of care & heart. The effects and fights were great too. I guess I just hadn’t seen a classic spider-man style origin movie in a while that just committed to the bit with such sincerity.
Also love how you can still see, the ending of The Flash he was meant to be in the new DCU. The “who the fuck is this” wasn’t shown, because it was the uncasted new Batman. But at some point, Ezra went on a fucking crime spree, so now his ass is stuck in the Clooneyverse. Hilarious movie
, it’s formulaic but..... [coping ensued]
I liked this style of review. Ramble is fun when listening to Amanda’s mind draw insightful links between decades worth of films. Good video!
Not sure if the Ezra scandal didn't affect the box office. His erratic behaviour was very public and went on for quite a while. I felt that whenever a RUclips channel would talk about the movie (pre-release) most comments were people saying how they would not see the movie because of him.
Feel same tbh, like the movie wasn't great, but I really doubt it would've been the biggest superhero flop if it wasn't for Ezra method acting as the wrong Flash irl.
Yeah same, they should have dropped his ass and the fact they didnt has hurt them big time. Nobody wants to see that creep on a big screen lmao
Oh, heck yea-- I was not going to see any film with Ezra Miller and I'm not going to see any film with Amber Heard.
I'm shocked they didn't recast both parts. Those two actors are toxic and remove at least 100 million each off the box office of any superhero (maybe any non-independent) film they are in.
There are plenty of nice, kind, hard-working actors who are decent human beings and who could be swapped in to the movies.
Oh and that Snow White actress-- that's a little manipulative sociopath there. I will not see anything Rachel Zegler's in. She makes my skin crawl in the same way Ezra Miller did.
@@macmcleod1188you're comparing a girl who hates snow white to someone who is a literal child predator?
@usernotfound.......1918 yes. Based on 45 years, experience, she's a bad apple. Definately comparable.
She just prettier, so you are missing it. She's going to hurt people if she hasn't already.
Dune actually was the first movie I watched after several month of crazy s*it going on and it managed to pull me out a little from a bad state of mind and I was excited for part two and it was sad to hear about the delay, since it bears such a significance to me. But we always have to wait for movies, so wait a bit more. I know you simply mentioned it, but I couldn't help but commenting on it.
As for superhero movies, I have to agree on a lot of it.
Just saw Blue Beetle this week with a friend and I have to say I enjoyed it very much. It could be that I'm not super invested in all these superhero movies like others but I just loved the characters and the closeness of the family along with some of the fight scenes.
My theater basically kicked Blue Beetle out of IMAX and put Oppenheimer back in.
oooof, well, the people want what the people want. Blue Beetle would be just as enjoyable, maybe more so, not in IMAX
There's like one late night IMAX showing but they gave Oppy the good showtimes. 😂
Blue Beetle was very generic plot wise, but I loved the characters and performances so much it really made it worth it. Also it had some very good moments like the afterlife scene, the villain’s flashback, and all the action scenes.
Wakanda Forever is honestly one of my favorite MCU movies, period. Letitia Wright gave such depth in her performance, and seeing her story arc was so wonderful (as someone who has been a Shuri fan for YEARS). Ryan Coogler and Joe Robert Cole did a phenomenal job. I really hope to see them do more stuff for Marvel. I’ve been obsessed with comics my whole life, so I’ll never get tired of superhero movies that tickle my fancy, regardless of whether or not other people like them. I definitely want GOOD superhero movies, and I feel BP: WF and GOTG3 gave emotional, compelling stories that qualify as such. But I also understand that what I think is “good” is not necessarily what other people might deem “good”. I’m fairly easy to please, and I’m ok with that.
Her politics aside marvel has an academy award winner in Lupita Nyong'o and they picked Letitia Wright to lead the franchise?
@@claytonberg721 not sure to whose politics you’re referring, but I believe the choice they made for the lead made the most narrative sense. Shuri has been Black Panther in the comics before. It wouldn’t make sense for Nakia to take the mantle, especially considering she outright rejected taking the herb in the first movie, telling Ramonda she is “ a spy with no army”. Shuri likely has been trained from birth to take the throne, seeing as she was second in line. And Ryan Coogler stated in an interview that he chose to focus on Shuri for WF because Chadwick had stated that Shuri was his favorite character. Ryan realized that Shuri was the only character in the franchise who has “never lived in a world without T’Challa”, and so he wanted to explore what losing him would look like for her and how she would cope with that. I think Letitia did an excellent job. She’s a phenomenal actress.
@@MerryMutant shuri's actress is an anti-vaxxer, probably what they were referring to. i agree with you, while i wasn't the biggest fan of WF picking the new black panther was a really hard hole to write themselves out and in that regard i think they did a fine job. they weren't just picking a new black panther, who could be anyone, they were picking the character who would pay the most respect to t'challa and chadwick boseman, and shuri is really the only candidate for that role.
I watched Friendly Space Ninja's video and just finished yours too. I think you both had great unique takes on the subject. :)
all super valid points and i def agree.
your manic energy made the video way better than most of the movies you talked about
I went and saw Jurassic Park in 3D in theaters for its 30th anniversary on my 30th birthday. I've seen it a million times but I still love it. I also saw the flash in theaters. Jurassic Park's special effects look better than the flash. Granted the flash was doing things that required more cgi than JP did, I still think it looked horrible and i couldnt stop thinking how fake everything looks, while JP is 30 years old and still holds up really well today.
Peacemaker was so good. Had me on the verge of wetting myself and teared up a few times too.
Failure of Mission: Impossible is quite interesting because movie is awesome and it very focused on delivering character driven stories that I got invested as much as GotG team. I guess it was booming production budget over pandemic shooting and unfortunate release window. It's already out of screens in my city a month after release when Top Gun sit there for a half of year !
I really liked ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ and ‘Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3’ cuz it had nothing to do with the multiverse. I remember hearing James Gunn arguing it’s not superhero fatigue but fatigue from mediocre/lazy superhero movies. Which I completely agree cuz I still haven’t watched ‘Secret Invasion’ but I feel like I need to to understand anything in future movies/tv shows
I think people are being too harsh on Gunn for blaming him for the Flash and Blue Beetle when in reality he had NO hand in the production of those 2 movies other than talking about where they fit in the new DCU, tho I think Blue Beetle shouldn't be hated that much cause its a fun watch and is pretty underrated despite the genericness.
I think people just want to hate on Gunn for replacing Snyder tbh and blame him for no reason even if he just hyped up the movies too much
as a huge HUGE fan of blue beetle, i thought the movie was fun enough but was pretty surprised they ignored so much of the material from the comics when writing the plot. jaime's story is SO deeply rooted in themes of identity, belonging, and what it means to be seen as "alien" (from the original setting in el paso, to the multiple cross-border storylines, to jaime's main villains being the alien civilization that created the scarab, etc.). i feel like a more faithful adaptation would've felt unique in the huge mass of modern superhero cinema and avoided the inevitable iron man comparisons we ended up with
It's kind of funny how each Blue Beetle adaptation includes a major part of him while excluding others. The movie included his family, Young Justice had a comic-accurate Reach invasion and his relationship with Traci, Batman: Brave and the Bold had Paco and El Paso, etc.
Just came from a concert to a new Amanda video - nothing could be better ❤
I dont really have strong opinions on Blue Beetle but i am happy to see Xolo is getting movie work. Good for him!
Also - I loved Hawkeye and I appreciate the recognition.
as someone who only watch superhero when i'm dragged by my friends, i just feel stupid not knowing the references while ppl around me go WAAA WOOO
I was not even aware of the Teen Titans go to the Movie but that scene where Robin shoves Bruce's parents into an alley convinced me to watch it.
Friendly Space Ninja kinda touched on how ludicrous how Hollywood has gotten with their movies in the last decade.
Blue Beetle was surprisingly good in my opinion. I saw it almost randomly because there was an English language version showing at my neighborhood cinema (I live in France by the way, where dubbing is king 🤮🤢). There were some cheesy parts but only is the good telenovela kind of way. But thank god I'm from California originally and got most of the Mexican references, yes, it's specifically Mexican, and recognized a couple actors from telenovelas and the jab at Thalia in Maria from the Barrio 😂, I had to explain a lot of those references to my French partner because they kniw nothing about that part if the world. But as for it being DCU, I actually liked how there were very very brief mentions to let you know it's in that world, but otherwise it felt like you weren't in that world at all. It was a fun summer movie.
I agree with so much of this. I hope that Marvel burns it all down with Secret Wars. It could work. Just start from scratch with a few hold over actors. Adjust some storylines too.
Multiverses can be very tricky to navigate and generally it's just better to keep them all separated. The Fate franchise developed by Type-Moon in Japan has a very comprehensive multiverse because the various series don't typically overlap with others. Thanks to this, the series Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya is a specific story about it's OWN unique multiverse and doesn't force you to get a headache from thinking too hard about the fact that it is, technically, a multiverse inside of a multiverse. The only series that interacts with the multiverse is Fate/Grand Order, but it's easily explainable (either just "this version of the character is from a different universe in which x happened" or it's just parody and you're not supposed to think about it).
I always end up comparing Marvel and DC films to Fate because Fate is similar in size and scope, and the writers tend to do it better.
And the Fate franchise benefits from people writing for it because they love the franchise. You can tell there's still real passion behind it, even in the more modern releases.
@whiteraven562 Oh absolutely, there's a few Fate projects I'm not extremely fond of but I haven't really hated any one of them or thought "I wasted my time with this."
My problem with Fate is that it adapts things in a weird order. Like Grand Order for example. I don´t exatly which one was first, but right now we have the prologue, singularities 6(I think) and 7, and then the ending. Most of the story from singularities 1-5 is still just a phone game.
Besides, we still don´t have a properly adapted to the very start of the entire series, Stay/Night - Fate route, causing a ton of confusion about where to start for new watchers.
(I think the Deen version is pretty watchable, for all its mess, but still. Though I hear this situation might get "fixed" in the future. I hope.)
There is definitely fatigue at this point.
While I know Blue Beetle wasn't groundbreaking, I still enjoyed it so much - the family, the heart, the love for the characters. It has a lot of cheese and not the best effects, but what it does well, it does super well. Plus, it was just an entertaining movie, full stop. Even though Jaime is going to be in the new DCU, they didn't try to soft launch a million projects in his movie; it was an overall contained, cheesy superhero movie that just wanted to tell a good story. I do wish it got more love at the box office, but I suspect it's likely DCEU fatigue because I wasn't even excited to see it at first, thinking WB had somehow intervened again. Hopefully it gets a decent following once it goes to streaming and Gunn keeps the charm of what made everyone like Jaime so much moving forward.
I think it was good but i wanted it to be more. I think more inner conflict between jaime and the scarab rather than external conflict with some cartoon villain
I'll say the first thing that turned me off with the DCEU Flash is using the Rebirth origin. The whole Barry becomes a hero because of his moms killer never sat well with me and I keep hoping one day we'll go back to his pre 2010 origin
That’s the origin of the Arrowverse’s Flash too
@@Dave102693 I know I didn't like it there either. To me I've always prefered the Flash with both his parents alive and part of his life.
I feel like Blue Beetle had to go through that introductory, somewhat formulaic first-appearance movie in order to grow from there. I watched the movie here in México (Monterrey) and everyone in the crowd loved it. The jokes landed and the characters were so relatable. That’s a bias for sure, but hey,
I’m excited to see more of Xolo and the cast in the future! Great video btw!!
I am someone who can't get enough *good* super hero content, but... good is key
There was a movie called Sorcerer from 1977. It bombed at the box office because of Star wars. The phenomenom is considered a drastical demographic shift because people prefered watching big budget fantasy than adult content
...
Now The Flash and Blue Beetle failed and Oppenheimer succeeds. It's the opposite effect
Hopefully this marks another demographic shift.
Yeah but Barbie is a massive success too and it's a big budget fantasy flick.
That use of Hereditary 🤣
I watched Patrick Willems video shortly before this one and I think what he has to say about "content" is really relevant to what you were discussing today. I won't give a TDLR because I think everyone should watch it alongside this video, but I will say that when you were talking about the "content" that the companies are producing, his video gave your video a really interesting complexion.
I look forward to the Blue Beetle sequel
I wish all of Hollywood would watch Amanda's videos and take the Jedi's advice. These are always so spot on. I had the same frustration about upping the stakes with Supernatural. I love that show so much, but it really thrived on one shots, humor, and its FANTASTIC characters. The monster of the week episodes were always so much fun and showcased so many of the show's strengths. But as it progressed it left more and more of the one shot format behind and I just don't think we needed every episode to focus on another world ending apocalypse when we could have killer clown chaos or helping a ghost find peace. 👻
What a lovely thumbnail Amanda. You have brought joy to me.
I think the effects in Blue Beetle worked because they made good use of its limited budget by rarely relying on CGI. For instance, the Blue Beetle suit is real and CGI is only used to enhance it. It makes the character feel more grounded and lifelike. Compared to The Flash, where they used (bad) CGI for nearly everything and made things look plastic and life-less. Carapax felt more like a tangible threat than the literal multiverse falling apart.
OKAY I SAW THEATRE CAMP AND I LOVED IT
It was clearly made by people who love theatre dearly and it was so fun to watch with my friends who are techies or actors too. It was a really fun time.
For me D.C’s animated shows though is DEFINITELY where it’s at🤩
As someone who's fallen so much in love with MCU Wanda, I still treasure WandaVision (which I think is a really good show and so well done) and I absolutely loved Multiverse of Madness (controversial, but they embraced the trash movie parts, leaned into it and to me, it worked really well).
After that I kinda lost interest in watchin yet another movie with them kinda requiring to watch everything they release in chronological order, including x amount of tv series.
So I love both WV and MoM (especially Wanda within them) and feel the served the character in different ways. Dealing with all the things Wanda has gone through over the course of being in the MCU in WV was a great case study in trauma and how it compounds and how she has used coping methods, even when unhealthy, to try and deal with it all in a very consumable way.
It did set up MoM Wanda knowing she just lost her kids and Vis for what? the third time on top of everything else and knowing that reading the Darkhold corrupts anyway it isn't a giant leap into MoM and about to become a mum I recognise how strong my want to protect my kid already is. For MoM I love horror so Raimi doing the MCU gave me great joy and there are some stunning film making choices within that movie.
I think/hope the next we see Wanda and white Vis will be a chance at redemption for the character and potentially actually healing from both the trauma and falling victim to the corruption of the Darkhold. The Darkhold is easily an allegory for toxic influence on an already vulnerable person after being trauma effected. White Vis might be the voice of reason after she's completed her destruction of the Darkholds across the multiverse to rebuild herself as a force for good.
MoM also brought back Hayley Atwell and gave us Cap Carter and I love it for that too despite the outcome crushing my dreams so quickly.
Wanda and Cap Carter are my favourites for sure. Closely followed by Moonknight
Glad we have Amanda here to speak out what's on all of our minds
I actually enjoyed Blue Beetle, I went to watch it with my nephew and there were so many things we could relate to Jaime's family. My only criticism of the movie is that is seemed to struggle a bit to decide if it wanted to be a comedy or a more "serious" movie. Other than that it is a great movie both to me, never having heard about Blue Beetle, and for my nephew, who did know of him.
As far as for future DC films I would like to see a Batman film with Mr. Freeze as the main villain. His story is very compelling and can be easily enjoyed by anyone not familiar with him; it's also overdue after the disaster with Arnold Schwarzenegger. I do think a new Spiderman film series can be done with Kingpin as the new villain, having to deal with the Kingpin's group of villains; just not the arc where he turns into a human/spider hybrid due to the accelerated mutation (I would not watch that again).
The animated series of all these superheroes are a great blueprint. If movie studios follow them these films should be good to go, and actually good to watch.
I just saw the flash movie and I loved it!! All the cameos, the references.. it was awesome!!! They gave context and made the world bigger!
The weirdest thing is that...this is pretty much what happened to the comics. History is literally repeating itself. Connected universes that are way too big to sustain themselves. Massive retcons to try and fix major problems. Editor mandates. This has all happened before.
Writers contradicting what's happening simultaneously with characters in other stories because no one keeps track anymore. Remolding characters into whoever they need for their specific story. Stories serving only to fill time between massive event crossovers. Billionaire execs not realising that most people simply *can't afford* to consume every new release. Great work failing because no one could notice it existed amongst everything else.
Only difference is they're losing a few thousand dollars each project instead of a few hundred million. Though creators, retailers and fans still suffer the consequences while execs get rich.
Definitely agree with your point about Ms. Marvel. It's my favorite of the marvel shows, and I got attached because of the CHARACTERS. I loved Kamala, Bruno, Ammi, Abbu, Nakia, and Aamir! I got invested because the actors did a great job bringing the characters to life. And also the last few episodes bored me a little, with the action sequences and the whole story with the Djin. I was most invested when it was just Kamala learning her powers with her friend, trying to keep it a secret but failing miserably, and having crushes/being crushed on.
This Flash movie made me crave pasta and that was after I fell asleep half way through.
Such a good video. And the perfect companion piece to FSN’s video that looks at it on the financial side. Loved it!
THAT MORBIUS CONNECTION (and by extension the connection to Jared “I’m not a c*lt leader I swear” Leto) MAKES ME REALIZE
THIS WHOLE THING WAS A LONG CON TO GET EVERYONE
I N D O C T R I N A T E D
When I see the whole Batfamily, Young Avengers and Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, then I'm done.
I'm starting to advocate for a live action, R rated, psychological thriller/horror Scarecrow movie because that shit would be terrifying and incredible to see.
I don't think Ms. Marvel can be classed as having a world-ending finale, since the finale mainly involved Kamala protecting her community and coming to terms with her cultural identity. The Djinn didn't even do much.
You having Death Note, Pokemon, AND Invincible in the background is like the epitome of amazing taste!!!
thank goodness this is FINALLY happening, I've been waiting for years for this... i'd rather nothing than superhero movies... I can't wait for whatever comes out next... hopefully it's something I can get into... tho I'm kinda expecting it to not be at this point.
Yup, when Marvel announced their new phase after Endgame I checked out. That was waaay too much
I did really enjoy the latest(?) Batman, though. The gritty origin style one with Robert Patterson
The most important part of this review is how badly I freaked out about that special edition boxset of Beck Mongolian Chop Squad and I am not even kidding.
To be fair to Jaime’s Blue Beetle, one of his most notable enemies is the Reach and their alien invasion… so they probably don’t want to start an origin film with that.
Thor: Love & Thunder and Morbius are the only two movies I’ve EVER stopped watching with the intent to never finish. It’s so incredibly sad to put those two movies in the same sentence.
Love and Thunder was goofy fun, and it was obvious it always would be. They never tried to market it as a "serious" film
So glad you brought up Spiderverse - super hero films do have potential to be cool! So many are so same-y though.
Really excited for the new animated TMNT movie though!
I just want to watch movies without having to do homework. Why does going to the movies now have pre-requisites? I want to just sit down and enjoy a film without feeling like I’m being quizzed on what I learned two years ago.
I'd love to see you dive into the DCAU. It tends to be much better.
That comment about Marvel movies trying to one-up themselves hits home.
Shang-Chi would've had a way better climax focusing on Shang-Chi's conflict with Wenwu, but instead it all got hijacked by Generic CGI Doomsday Demon.