Hagerty list: 2:48 458 Italia 6:16 Maserati 3200GT 8:25 MG TB 10:12 1st gen Mini Cooper 11:21 1st gen Porsche Boxster (986) 12:42 Renault 4L 13:25 Renault Clio Williams 14:45 Rolls-Royce Camargue 16:32 Triumph TR6 17:24 VW T25 Camper van JayEmm's list (starts at 19:10): 19:20 Mclaren 650S 20:46 Ferrari 612 22:08 Renault Clio 197 and 200 23:02 Mk1 Bentley Continental GT 24:27 Jaguar XJR 25:45 1st gen Porsche 911 (997.1) 27:04 Lotus Evora 29:18 2nd gen Mini Clubman 30:04 Alfa Romeo 159 31:17 BMW M3 E90
I love your videos, your passion for these cars is something I can truly feel in the way you talk about them, and your voice is so soothing I could listen to you speak about virtually anything for hours and hours.
Also - back in the late 1990s we bought a T2 "Bay Window" camper. It was an absolute shed. I remember pulling up at the petrol station, sticking the pump into the filler and wondering what that splashing sound was? That was the sound of the petrol sloshing onto the ground because the air inlet to the tank had sealed up, collapsing the tank and disconnecting the flexible filler hose. It was, though, hilarious to hammer around Manchester city roads. Just had to remember that the crumple zone was your own knees.
I'm with you on the 612, as it's a forgotten Ferrari, IMO it's a looker. I'd also like to add the MK5 Golf GTI, it's almost at it's lowest price, people are buying them up and ragging them to hell, they are being tracked a lot. So soon numbers will go low, and it'll be hard to find an untouched looked after version, I'm excluding the limited editions as they have their own thing going on. This is mostly on the basis of it being the car people looked to after the slightly crap MK4 GTIs, and a return to form for VW.
Some random used car dealership in my area had a Mk5 GTI with 14k miles on it listed for like $12k which I thought was a bit much but at the same time it was pretty cool because it was very clean.
Nice to see the MINI R53 on there, the supercharger whine is awesome. Bought my auto Cooper S three years ago for £2,800 and discovered that the car cost new £16k and it’s got £13k of factory options. Heated Recaro racing seats, now about £2,000 on eBay, chrono pack, climate control, telephone option, cruise control, Hartman Kardon hifi, etc etc. Thte years later my insurance company now informs me it’s value is now £5,500. For a low mileage great condition R53 JCW your now looking at about £8,000.
I think they have already missed the boat on VW T3 vans! Prices have rocketed, they will continue to go up though I'm sure, as more and more disolve in the rain! They are widely accepted as the best VW ever, to actually camp in. The space is unrivaled, apart from long wheelbase later vans, and the Westfalia built ones have withstood the last 30-40 years incredibly well.
I hate people who get cars as an 'investment' because they dont drive the cars and only try to drive up the price yeah you can have a nice car and dont lose all your money on it i even have one myselve (its my dream car) and if i would sell it i would not lose a penny but thats not why i have it and i would not sell it in the near future
This is my biggest point of disgust with how the car community is now. Its all about the money, and barely about the love of the cars. And they just keep jumping from car to car once they've pumped one car or generation of a car into the stratosphere. Rinse and repeat. Then we, the average joe, working class, Loose more and more cars to enjoy and experience that we other wise would have in the past. Am I saying that making money on a car is bad? No. But it should never be the number one reason to buy a certain car. Hell, The car I currently own has gone from 6k-13k over the last year and I could care less. I put miles on it and I enjoy driving it because ive enjoyed it the last 5 years and created memories with it. Not to mention that its a car with an option I've always looked for ever since seeing an add for it in motortrend when I was in highschool. I now own one now and it just does it for me, and I get people always asking if I want to sell(My answer is firmly no). But the sad part of other cars being speculated and treated as pure investments, is that there are many common, non exclusive cars that I, and others wont be able to enjoy since people with more cash than common sense or without a true passion for cars will just throw money at them and then keep pumping their values up at auctions and by artificially hypeing them up for more collectors. I hate investment culture.
MG TB - “Those people are already old people… well into their 60’s & 70’s…“ Hey Junior, easy there on the ageism and assumptions…. 😉 62 years old; 69 E-Type FHC, 07 XK Coupe, 91 Nissan Figaro…. 😁 I enjoy your vids, very down to earth, great easy going presentation style…
Prefer your list, for sure. The 612 is looking better and better as I age. My late father-in-law had XJs for the 20 years I knew him. Lovely things and have a charm that’s missing from many modern cars. I’m sure I’m not just indulging my own nostalgia there! 🙂
612s dont deserve the hate they get. Ive always liked them to some degree and actually like the FF. If I had some decent money, I'd buy one as a nice weekend car or roadtrip car. Or I'd buy a Bentley Continental GT since they were definitely a pop culture car of the early-mid 2000s. If one makes 80k-120k a year over the next decade or so, I think there will be some pretty awesome 2000s and 2010 era cars to enjoy and rediscover. But lets hope we decide that pumping the market on these cars for profit instead of actually enjoying them, becomes heavily frowned upon. Especially as ICE cars come to an end and we have to adapt to a more sustainable future. It would be a shame if any vehicles that are cool, become just another thing of the wealthy as the rest of us, who grew up with some awesome cars get stuck with EVs or no car. And loose any hope of owning a car from our youths because people with hundreds of thousands or millions decided that they were just sources of wealth and nothing more.
Great video - good to have some insights too. I think the 986 boxster is the safest money right now and something that still is somewhat special to the Lehman. I also think a BMW 135i - not the most reliable I know, but high powered, manual and quite narrow. Most have been bastardised and modded too much but a decent un-touched one is a great idea.
Fully agree with your analysis of the Hagerty list and I also believe your list is more realistic. Personally, I bought myself a low mileage, full option BMW E89 Z4 2.3 with the N.A. straight 6 cylinder engine and a manual gearbox two years ago for around 20k pounds. I can’t see myself losing a lot of cash on that one.
As a 986.2S owner I'm glad to see it on the list. It ticks all the boxes for the Porsche experience to a certain extent and scratches the itch if thats what you're after. A 3.2L, mid engined, flat-six with a great soundtrack and handling, not a lot more you could want! Plenty quick enough too. I do find them to be very spec dependent though. 😀
Triumph tr6: yes, and also merc sl450, pagoda, jag xjs cab. I agree with harris, faceless supercars just aren't cool. They were intriguing because of their rareness in the f40/f1 or even miura or gullwing days.
Had a 156 twinspark 2.0 for 10 years that lived outside in the North of England, apart from a battery after about 4 years, never let me down. Needed track end bushes every few years, and regular cam sensors checks and the odd replacement, but that was about it.
Two observations: 1) Your comments on what people do with VW campervans is very on point. 2) I think someone at Hagerty has come into possession of an MG TB they need to move on.
I've always thought the key to getting into a modern classic at reasonable cost without losing too much value is the presence of bad ones. The trick then is to find a good one just as all the bad ones are starting to disappear but before the used market has noticed. Good luck with that of course! Some of those on the Hegarty list are at the point where there's not been many bad ones for some time now so getting a good one cheaply is no longer an easy exercise.
The Mitsubishi evo 10 is the perfect example of this. Manual cars not sst. I predict huge increase in next 5 years the car was way ahead of its time and went pretty unnoticed due to the paddle shift craze around this era
Great analysis. I would add: Megane 1 Coupe 2.0 16s (same engine as the Clio Williams), Mégane 2 and 3 Coupe Rs, Peugeot 406 coupe V6, Peugeot 306 convertible, Mondeo 220st and I probably forgetting quite a few.
Did enjoy this one JayE, enjoyed your sit down and chat list ( as an ex Exige-s x2 and 4200 Maser owner )..... aha, that is until the end of your video, OH NO , as a car trader and petrol head I disagree with alfa 159, it's nose heavy, even 1.8 TBi, don't go there with 2.4 Mjet Derv ( looks totally ACE ); and drives below a 3 series or maybe even a Volvo it is so dead-on feel. 156 145 146 147 please, yum yum
Enjoyed the video James - well done. I would still have the first generation Boxster on the list. They are comfortable as well as being engagingly fun to drive. I bought one for my son. They are very affordable; but beware, if the IMS bearing has not been replaced, you’re in for a big bill that is a significant portion of what you paid to buy the car.
I really like this videos, and as a 996 C4S owner I recognise your comments. I would add though that the 997 (.1 or .2) is a much plainer looking car than the 996 which has aged pretty well and the styling of is probably liked more now than it was when new.
Have to agree. As long as the car along with its N14 Peugeot engine has lots of service history. I’m currently looking for a well sorted R55 to add to my small collection at the moment.
@@boothy4879 I’ve got a Cooper S as I was looking for a car with specific factory options. JCWs are more expensive but you can tune a Cooper S engine up to 260 BHP if you want it it’s the ride, the handling and the fun, plus the whine of the supercharger. Great cars 👍
If the name of the game is "few years' ownership without losing money", Hagerty has made a serious error that James's selection does much better on. Rare is a double-edged sword. If you need to get out of a car without chopping the price, there needs to be a liquid market. Go too rare, and it could take a very long time to get a fair-value offer. So whilst being rare can add value, better to have an asset with a liquid market and value that is intrinsic (because it is good, e.g. 458) rather than because it is rare (e.g. hideous Rolls).
Ha! I had the Alfa exactly as you described - 159 Ti 3.2 4WD SW with manual gearbox and yes, I had no problem selling it for 2x book price - this was 3 years ago so those in the know were already all over this back then.
Absolutely spot on. With every car for me. Clio V6 prices are just ridiculous now. Barmy car, and not a patch on a 182, but I suppose you can't deny the appeal they have. E92 M3 though. 💙
James, my uncle who was a car nut said the MG'S up to the war were great and those cycle winged cars have won the Milie Miglia a few times, so I guess it's like people buying a Leica M series camera from the 50's. One sometimes appreciates the vintage then appreciates the modern era until it is a "classic".
Great video! I purchased an Alfa Romeo 159 sportswagon in the summer, it’s the 1.9 not quite the v6 Q4 (it’s the first car I have ever bought) but so happy to see it represented on the list :)
A good listen. Great point about running costs. A had an M635csi I bought for 10k in 2012. I spent 7k on it and sold for 10k 18 months later. Recently it sold at auction for 32k. In the intervening 8 years it had travelled 2k miles and had a further 20k spent on it. So if i had kept it i would have made nothing, had a load of hassle and not used it. But people only see the growth. I personally think the 80-s stuff has mostly had its day and the nineties and naughties are where it's at, people want to use their modern classics, they want AC and no breakdowns. I agree with the Boxster, however I bought and sold one last year and lost 1k bit I did drive it 3k miles. The Mk1 MX5 has massively increased in the past few years. In 2018 a 60k mile uk car was 3k, now 8 or even 9k+ thats trippled. And as they rot away they will continue to grow. I dont think they will ever be worth a fortune but perhaps equal to an mgb so best ones 15 - 20k and i would suggest that will happen by 2025. Any mclaren 12c with a chassis number under 100. I think in 10-20 years time they will be 200k + Your 650s coupe a great shout as only approx 30 x 650 coupes in the UK. Although i am a serial SUV hater many people aren't and i think a gen 1 cayenne turbo will be one to watch, they are already climbing and some owners are pimping up to the safari spec which does look interesting. E46 330i manuals, especially tourings with under 100k miles, just try and find one. When there are none for sale it shows how rare they are. Thr e46 is the next e30, esp the 2.5 and 3.0 manuals in any form, prices are climbing fast. Now old Lotus has gone i think any lotus is a safe place for your money. I dont think they will increase much but i rekon over the next decade good examples will continue to be depreciation proof. At the lower end of the scale ford pumas and gen 1 honda insights i think are a good shout. If you spend 2k on a nice 1.7 puma now i rekon in 2 years time it will be worth at least double. For more expensive stuff i do think the 675LT has room to grow. The Bentley Conti also a good shout, i know quite a few mates looking to get into one.
Another enjoyable video. I’m surprised the Renault Clio Williams was on the list, I thought that boat sailed about 10 years ago! As a 70’a born kid I always like the look of the TR6 as it looked like a more fun version of my dad’s Stag, that I loved. I’ve been tempted by a Mini Clubvan for a while too, I think they’re a cool option as a work van. This wasn’t on the list and I’d probably rare for a reason, but the Mini Paceman in Cooper S spec is tempting 🤔
I'd definitely say the classic mini. They're still relatively cheap, amazing fun, get lots of attention, have a huge aftermarket scene with lots of cheap parts, loved by many and are getting snapped up by collectors and enthusiasts. I got one for my first car a few years ago and I'm set on never selling it as I think it's amazing and don't think I'll get more fun out of anything else on four wheels. The prices are starting to creep up now with decent cars being 5k+.
It is fascinating how Jame's list somewhat reflects his age. A few months ago he reviewed a TVR Griffith, built when he was very young. Lots of 50"s people around with some cash now (and likely to spend the next 20 years enjoying it), review concluded it was a great car, it is rare, very pretty, easy to maintain, most issues will have been fixed, great to tour in, not brilliant on track and has an engine note from heaven, especially on the pre cat cars. Anyway that's my tuppence worth from someone born in the late 60s.
Ford Escort s1 RS Turbo. That is STILL my lottery win car. Love the grey velour Recaros , the white body kit and graphics. So 1980s boy racer, and that is the dream
James, what is your thoughts on 1st Gen VW Scirocco and Rabbit/Golf Convertible? I cant find a Scirocco anywhere for sale. I always thought they looked great as a Giorgetto Giugiaro design, and fun to drive. I would think they would be inexpensive to fix and reliable
I was sat at the lights today and what chugged past? A Renault 4. In beige. I used to see loads of those back in the day, quite an interesting car if you're a Francophile into odd engineering.
Its all about the greed. few buy these cars to enjoy them and make memories. Its why so many millenials and younger here in america have no interest in classic american cars for the most part. Even if we had family that had some, we were bullied into staying away from them because we might damage them and hurt the values. Or were just werent allowed to have any association with them because grandpa or uncle treated said cars like the Ring from LOTR. Those cars were kept in dark garage or under a trap most the time, and then only driven to a show where grandpa or uncle would sit behind it and mentally jerk themselves to gawkers of his vehicle. And this is how all cars that Investors decide to collect eventually treat their cars as well. And now the 80s-2000s cars are begining to get the same treatment now that actual classics are begining to take the backseat.
I agree on the 159, though I’d be looking for the 1750 ti, as it improves the weight figure and makes the car better to drive and run. Plus the Alfa ones like that it a proper Italian engine
Volvo C30 R-DESIGN T5. Especially updated version from 2010 to 2013. It's hard to find and if you did, then you need to pay minimum 10K for good example. If you are looking for low milage you need to pay 14K minimum. Heico version is even higher. Price is still rising. Future classic, much better choice than V40, which doesn't have that fantastic C30 design.
Great video mate . Have question in your opinion should I keep my Toyota celica vvti t230 mrk7 which is 1999 . Only 2 owners full history and immaculate inside and out . Or how much do you think worth done 110.000 miles ..
Seeing that Bentley on the list got me thinking about VW Phaeton. I haven't seen one in years. Are they a good deal these days? Peugeot 607 is another one.
Funny you should say that, I've seen three of them since Christmas all in Stoke-on-Trent! Definitely different cars, too. Saw one the other day. No idea what engine specs though! Relatively cheap and super luxy!
They don't have the value to justify the repair costs unfortunately. I can't see either of those increasing in value unless it's a unicorn car with miniscule mileage.
Both are interesting cars and the 607 a very handsome one too. But unfortunately I don't think demand will ever be very big for these cars, so values will only go up very slowly. Asking prices for a good condition Peugeot 604 or 605 aren't that high either. People simply don't remember them anymore.
@@johang7498 Probably so. But both coming from "peoples" brands they shouldn't be bank-breaking in terms of maintenance. The appeal (as limited as it's always been) is still there IMO.
Great video and insight as always and must say I kind of agree with you. 'Affordable' pre war cars are an interesting topic, the VSCC are investing heavily in appealing to younger enthusiasts especially through racing and trials so I wouldn't write them off yet - bear in mind younger family members of current older owners often inherit their enthusiasm.
Any good kept Renault Sport, prob Trophy with the full spec, will become an instant classic. Since Renault axed RS like 1-2 years ago and they said it's going to Alpine, Alpine didn't announce any car yet, not even a concept cart. Oh and Alpine also axed the A110 in 2021. RS are cheap to run, heck they are Renault after all, good track cars and quite reliable. I'm thinking like an Mk3 Megane RS Trophy, Mk4 Clio RS Trophy or the Mk4 Megane RS Trophy-R (manual, carbon wheels, rear seat delete) will just keep going up in value!
As a general rule, if it is being discussed publically you already missed out on the early entry you are seeking. You can find them, as I have a handful on my internal list I track currently, but doing so requires a lot more data analysis, oem wikipedia pages, and auction sites. By the time it gets to video so many people know about it generally.
I’ve noticed how in the classics Morris minors have really gone up. Most from early 2000’s will see gradual rises but the insane road tax put ppl off at the lower end
Concerning the Porsche 997.1. The IMS bearing problem has been largely confined to the very early 2005 examples. For the Carrera fitted with the M96 engine before engine number 69507475. For Carrera S fitted with the M97 before engine number 68509791. After those numbers, M96 and M97 engines were fitted with larger IMS bearings. As for bore scoring, that is more an owner-related problem. A heavy foot before the engine has begun to warm up and the oil has fully circulated seems to be the culprit.
About the 4L, I can see where you´re comming from for the UK market, but, in continental europe, they were sold until the early nineties and every nineties kid grandad had one, so the nostalgia factor is real there and if you look at prices in the south of europe the market seams to agree.
17:00 My dad has a TR6, its a cool car but I can't see it going up in value. I would rather have something newer and more suitable for the winter. Its awkward to drive, I'm 6'0 and I struggle to fit in the drivers seat. Its a 50 year old car, so the people you want to sell to will be at the peak (or even past the peak) of their buying power and willingness to buy. As for reliability: for the first 25 years of my life (and I'm told for about a decade before that) it was in the garage at home or in the garage being repaired. I do love it though.
Hagerty's list is just the reason you should shop around for investment advice. Some of those buys (like the Clio), was akin to ann Estate Agent pushing you to buy a house in 2007.
Great video, after a B8 RS4, exige and evora, looking to my next in a difficult market. Like the M3 idea as well as the 997.1- although I think the 996 turbo is a great shout, the prices are high though so 4S's look a good solid (slightly) retro alternative?
It’s been crazy lately, I bought a new 17 Chevy spark here in the USA, Drove it for 60k miles and sold it for 1k more than MSRP in Q2 of last year. Then I Bought an Abarth, and sold it in December for $500 more than I bought it for. I decided to buy a classic mini and just enjoy my car as I don’t plan to sell it for anything other than another mini
Mini van. Excellent choice. Just look at the original Mini van values now...if you can find one. Staggering. Old vans generally seem to attract monster money which I find most intriguing
I looked long and hard at the Maserati, it slowly dawned on me that you end up with a car that has Ferrari running costs, Ferrari reliability, but it's not a Ferrari. I 100% agree about the Porsche, great cars, except for that IMS bearing. I think the TR6 is something to pick up now and wait on it, they are going to go up.
@@andybroer651 For some reason, over here (Las Vegas), the TR 6's are not part of the "let's mark up every car by 50%" movement, you can still find one in the mid teens. I would actually make a move, but I am in the middle of restoration on a Capri 2.8i which is emptying my wallet at an alarming rate.
@@lvthud My Maseratis have been super reliable as has my 986. The TR6 has been in the family for many years and after a full rebuild by Jay Leno head mechanic Bernard Julichi has been dead reliable, although my starter is out. :-)
You're right about the Mini and nostalgia, I had an Mini One when BMW started making them as a second car local run around and many years later i've picked up an R56 Mini Cooper for the same reason - its a bit quicker, sounds nice and is cracking around the country backroads that i live by. I didn't go for the Cooper S mainly because of the engine issues surrounding them and at the price i was looking to buy a lot of them hadn't yet been fixed.
All 2nd Gen Cooper S's are ticking time bombs. They will all need De-Coking/Walnut blasted, and could easily all be on their last legs. Shameful that it got "engine of the year" when it released!
Definitely agree with people not wanting to loose money on cars. I’m seeing this across a lot of Facebook pages. Ever since the second hand market had a price increase. Everyone thinks there car is now a collectable/future classic. This is even cars like the i30n or M140i. The current owners are getting annoyed at lower prices. It’s just odd. I even read one comment asking about i30n depreciation vs a bmw.
Not quite the same as these cars of course, but I bought a 2001 Mercedes CLK 230K Avantgarde in metallic green. 95k miles, 12 months MOT and overall nice condition for just £995. I absolutely blitzed it detailing everything and it came up like a new penny. I drove it around in perfect comfort as a stop gap car with lots of features inc parking sensors, aircon, full grey leather, multi cd, auto box and electric everything. Anyway, I drove it trouble free for a year. Put it in for an MOT the following year which it passed with no work required ... I drove it for another month and sold it for £1100. I put it on Gumtree and a guy picked it up an hour later. The cheapest comfortable year of motoring I ever had.
Great Video! At first I was confused because none of the cars that you covered are on the 2022 Bull List that I have seen but with a little research I found out that there are two Hagerty Bull Lists, one for UK and other for US. You may already know this but I just found this out. I think the other list has some interesting choices as well like Pontiac GTO (66-67), Porsche 968(92-95), and others. Would be good to get your perspective on the US List too.
I’d say the 4200 is the car to have if you’re wanting an Italian sports car that won’t ruin you entirely now if you have to take your car to a shop for everything it will not be cheap like any other exotic but if you can do your own work it’s an incredible car especially in manual I have a lhd coupe and according to Maserati there are only 237 manual lhd cars so you get the special car feeling that won’t break your bank
Hagerty list:
2:48 458 Italia
6:16 Maserati 3200GT
8:25 MG TB
10:12 1st gen Mini Cooper
11:21 1st gen Porsche Boxster (986)
12:42 Renault 4L
13:25 Renault Clio Williams
14:45 Rolls-Royce Camargue
16:32 Triumph TR6
17:24 VW T25 Camper van
JayEmm's list (starts at 19:10):
19:20 Mclaren 650S
20:46 Ferrari 612
22:08 Renault Clio 197 and 200
23:02 Mk1 Bentley Continental GT
24:27 Jaguar XJR
25:45 1st gen Porsche 911 (997.1)
27:04 Lotus Evora
29:18 2nd gen Mini Clubman
30:04 Alfa Romeo 159
31:17 BMW M3 E90
Always look forward to these sit down videos. Yourself and Harry (Harry’s Garage fame obvs) are a cut above the rest on RUclips in my opinion.
Straight forward. No gushing manner & no music. Very knowledgeable. Excellent vids
Very good video once again, hard to think of a "youtube" guy that is more realistic and well grounded than you in these kind of videos. Well done.
This was one of my Fave videos of JayE , per se !!
I love your videos, your passion for these cars is something I can truly feel in the way you talk about them, and your voice is so soothing I could listen to you speak about virtually anything for hours and hours.
I just found jayemm and am loving the back catalogue and amazing quality.
One of the only channels that I genuinely will take the time & watch a whole sit down & chat video 👏🏽 always interesting
There's a youngster in my town who's rocking a tr6 as his fun car to enjoy with friends. It's a spectacular sight here in Italy
@@lomaii2847 STAY AWAY FROM THIS SITE! IT IS A FISHING SITE. has some nasty code.
I'd absolutely love a decent sporty Alfa. I just love their shapes and designs.
Also - back in the late 1990s we bought a T2 "Bay Window" camper. It was an absolute shed. I remember pulling up at the petrol station, sticking the pump into the filler and wondering what that splashing sound was? That was the sound of the petrol sloshing onto the ground because the air inlet to the tank had sealed up, collapsing the tank and disconnecting the flexible filler hose. It was, though, hilarious to hammer around Manchester city roads. Just had to remember that the crumple zone was your own knees.
986 boxster still today’s best bargain! I used jayemm review before buying mine. Sweeter drive than a 996 and quarter the price
HA! Same. I used a lot from JayEmm's base 2.5 Yellow review to buy mine a few months ago and utterly loving it for the £3k it cost.
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I'm with you on the 612, as it's a forgotten Ferrari, IMO it's a looker. I'd also like to add the MK5 Golf GTI, it's almost at it's lowest price, people are buying them up and ragging them to hell, they are being tracked a lot. So soon numbers will go low, and it'll be hard to find an untouched looked after version, I'm excluding the limited editions as they have their own thing going on. This is mostly on the basis of it being the car people looked to after the slightly crap MK4 GTIs, and a return to form for VW.
Some random used car dealership in my area had a Mk5 GTI with 14k miles on it listed for like $12k which I thought was a bit much but at the same time it was pretty cool because it was very clean.
The most expensive Ferrari is always a cheap Ferrari, the 612 has ruinous running costs
Nice to see the MINI R53 on there, the supercharger whine is awesome. Bought my auto Cooper S three years ago for £2,800 and discovered that the car cost new £16k and it’s got £13k of factory options. Heated Recaro racing seats, now about £2,000 on eBay, chrono pack, climate control, telephone option, cruise control, Hartman Kardon hifi, etc etc. Thte years later my insurance company now informs me it’s value is now £5,500. For a low mileage great condition R53 JCW your now looking at about £8,000.
I think they have already missed the boat on VW T3 vans! Prices have rocketed, they will continue to go up though I'm sure, as more and more disolve in the rain! They are widely accepted as the best VW ever, to actually camp in. The space is unrivaled, apart from long wheelbase later vans, and the Westfalia built ones have withstood the last 30-40 years incredibly well.
I hate people who get cars as an 'investment' because they dont drive the cars and only try to drive up the price yeah you can have a nice car and dont lose all your money on it i even have one myselve (its my dream car) and if i would sell it i would not lose a penny but thats not why i have it and i would not sell it in the near future
This is my biggest point of disgust with how the car community is now. Its all about the money, and barely about the love of the cars. And they just keep jumping from car to car once they've pumped one car or generation of a car into the stratosphere. Rinse and repeat. Then we, the average joe, working class, Loose more and more cars to enjoy and experience that we other wise would have in the past.
Am I saying that making money on a car is bad? No. But it should never be the number one reason to buy a certain car. Hell, The car I currently own has gone from 6k-13k over the last year and I could care less. I put miles on it and I enjoy driving it because ive enjoyed it the last 5 years and created memories with it. Not to mention that its a car with an option I've always looked for ever since seeing an add for it in motortrend when I was in highschool. I now own one now and it just does it for me, and I get people always asking if I want to sell(My answer is firmly no).
But the sad part of other cars being speculated and treated as pure investments, is that there are many common, non exclusive cars that I, and others wont be able to enjoy since people with more cash than common sense or without a true passion for cars will just throw money at them and then keep pumping their values up at auctions and by artificially hypeing them up for more collectors.
I hate investment culture.
I don’t like your mother as I doesn’t ride my winkie anymore
This is slowly becoming my favourite channel
MG TB - “Those people are already old people… well into their 60’s & 70’s…“ Hey Junior, easy there on the ageism and assumptions…. 😉 62 years old; 69 E-Type FHC, 07 XK Coupe, 91 Nissan Figaro…. 😁 I enjoy your vids, very down to earth, great easy going presentation style…
Prefer your list, for sure. The 612 is looking better and better as I age. My late father-in-law had XJs for the 20 years I knew him. Lovely things and have a charm that’s missing from many modern cars. I’m sure I’m not just indulging my own nostalgia there! 🙂
612s dont deserve the hate they get. Ive always liked them to some degree and actually like the FF. If I had some decent money, I'd buy one as a nice weekend car or roadtrip car. Or I'd buy a Bentley Continental GT since they were definitely a pop culture car of the early-mid 2000s.
If one makes 80k-120k a year over the next decade or so, I think there will be some pretty awesome 2000s and 2010 era cars to enjoy and rediscover. But lets hope we decide that pumping the market on these cars for profit instead of actually enjoying them, becomes heavily frowned upon. Especially as ICE cars come to an end and we have to adapt to a more sustainable future. It would be a shame if any vehicles that are cool, become just another thing of the wealthy as the rest of us, who grew up with some awesome cars get stuck with EVs or no car. And loose any hope of owning a car from our youths because people with hundreds of thousands or millions decided that they were just sources of wealth and nothing more.
Great video - good to have some insights too.
I think the 986 boxster is the safest money right now and something that still is somewhat special to the Lehman.
I also think a BMW 135i - not the most reliable I know, but high powered, manual and quite narrow. Most have been bastardised and modded too much but a decent un-touched one is a great idea.
My bull list :
997.2 GT3 RS 3.8
987 Spyder
E39 M5
Fully agree with your analysis of the Hagerty list and I also believe your list is more realistic. Personally, I bought myself a low mileage, full option BMW E89 Z4 2.3 with the N.A. straight 6 cylinder engine and a manual gearbox two years ago for around 20k pounds. I can’t see myself losing a lot of cash on that one.
As someone that bought an Alfa 159 tbi last year, I just knew you were going to mention it. I cannot believe how long it's gone under the radar for!
To me the 1.8 is the engine to go, at least it's easier to tune
@@hexgraphica Yeah it is a great engine. Standard power is more than enough for me at the moment though.
@@TheAdamjwright it's got much more punch than the Holden lump for sure
@@hexgraphica Just a shame about the complete lack of any noise. Getting that sorted soon though 😊
About as easy to tune as the 2.4jtd and makes about the same power, stock or tuned.
Agree on the 159 Sportwagon V6 AWD manual.
As a 986.2S owner I'm glad to see it on the list. It ticks all the boxes for the Porsche experience to a certain extent and scratches the itch if thats what you're after. A 3.2L, mid engined, flat-six with a great soundtrack and handling, not a lot more you could want! Plenty quick enough too. I do find them to be very spec dependent though. 😀
I bought a car after watching your video on legendary engines m113 a clk430 and it's keeps putting a smile on my dial.
Triumph tr6: yes, and also merc sl450, pagoda, jag xjs cab. I agree with harris, faceless supercars just aren't cool. They were intriguing because of their rareness in the f40/f1 or even miura or gullwing days.
Had a 156 twinspark 2.0 for 10 years that lived outside in the North of England, apart from a battery after about 4 years, never let me down. Needed track end bushes every few years, and regular cam sensors checks and the odd replacement, but that was about it.
Last two years I've been commenting on your videos with cars that will increase in value. Vindicated on them all.
Two observations: 1) Your comments on what people do with VW campervans is very on point. 2) I think someone at Hagerty has come into possession of an MG TB they need to move on.
I've always thought the key to getting into a modern classic at reasonable cost without losing too much value is the presence of bad ones. The trick then is to find a good one just as all the bad ones are starting to disappear but before the used market has noticed. Good luck with that of course! Some of those on the Hegarty list are at the point where there's not been many bad ones for some time now so getting a good one cheaply is no longer an easy exercise.
The Mitsubishi evo 10 is the perfect example of this. Manual cars not sst. I predict huge increase in next 5 years the car was way ahead of its time and went pretty unnoticed due to the paddle shift craze around this era
Great analysis.
I would add: Megane 1 Coupe 2.0 16s (same engine as the Clio Williams), Mégane 2 and 3 Coupe Rs, Peugeot 406 coupe V6, Peugeot 306 convertible, Mondeo 220st and I probably forgetting quite a few.
220st! Lovely stuff! Also love the Megane 225RS.
Peugeot 406 coupé ... Yeah, that was a truly beautiful car. One of the best looking 1990s-cars.
Did enjoy this one JayE, enjoyed your sit down and chat list ( as an ex Exige-s x2 and 4200 Maser owner )..... aha, that is until the end of your video, OH NO , as a car trader and petrol head I disagree with alfa 159, it's nose heavy, even 1.8 TBi, don't go there with 2.4 Mjet Derv ( looks totally ACE ); and drives below a 3 series or maybe even a Volvo it is so dead-on feel. 156 145 146 147 please, yum yum
A 612 manual would be a dream
A very enjoyable video and I would have put the MX5 NA model in both lists.
All MX-5 models really. Prices have been skyrocketing since Covid. Even the less loved NC generation.
Enjoyed the video James - well done. I would still have the first generation Boxster on the list. They are comfortable as well as being engagingly fun to drive. I bought one for my son. They are very affordable; but beware, if the IMS bearing has not been replaced, you’re in for a big bill that is a significant portion of what you paid to buy the car.
Superb shirt sir. You can't beat the sound of a Merlin.
I really like this videos, and as a 996 C4S owner I recognise your comments. I would add though that the 997 (.1 or .2) is a much plainer looking car than the 996 which has aged pretty well and the styling of is probably liked more now than it was when new.
On my list the 4S! Are you enjoying it? What have you had in the past?
I would include alongside the Mini Van, the Clubman R55 JCW. Very rare cars indeed, more practical than the van with simular looks.
Have to agree. As long as the car along with its N14 Peugeot engine has lots of service history. I’m currently looking for a well sorted R55 to add to my small collection at the moment.
@@lordpetrolhead477 Wouldnt even bother, get an N18, much more reliable if thats possible. Had a Cooper S N14 and had no end of issues with it.
@@lordpetrolhead477 JCW or Cooper S?
@@boothy4879 I’ve got a Cooper S as I was looking for a car with specific factory options. JCWs are more expensive but you can tune a Cooper S engine up to 260 BHP if you want it it’s the ride, the handling and the fun, plus the whine of the supercharger. Great cars 👍
If the name of the game is "few years' ownership without losing money", Hagerty has made a serious error that James's selection does much better on.
Rare is a double-edged sword. If you need to get out of a car without chopping the price, there needs to be a liquid market. Go too rare, and it could take a very long time to get a fair-value offer.
So whilst being rare can add value, better to have an asset with a liquid market and value that is intrinsic (because it is good, e.g. 458) rather than because it is rare (e.g. hideous Rolls).
I remember when top gear did a section on Lancia being the greatest car manufacture ever, overnight a delta intergrale went from 20-30 k to 50-60 k.
I saw my first 458 yesterday, what a car. It is a masterpiece. Thanks for the video, very fun and entertaining indeed
I usually buy a 2 to 3k interesting car, drive it until its falls apart and then scrap it. I get around 1,5 to 2 years of enjoyment out of them.
Were you ever tempted to fix one of them up when it falls apart?
@@vladx2 sometimes, mostly with bmw's😅 still endless moneypits when things go sour
Awesome cars. The M3 sedan would be the one for me. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Thumbs up for your picture quality! Watching on my 50 inch Telly. 👍
Great video! Would be interesting to go back to previous year's lists to see what they ended up getting right.
Thanks Jay I'm glad to say I have a low mileage Clio mk3 200 and I'm so glad it's on your list!!!! Love it!
Brilliant! Loved this. That 650S spider is totally my cup of tea! 😍
Ha! I had the Alfa exactly as you described - 159 Ti 3.2 4WD SW with manual gearbox and yes, I had no problem selling it for 2x book price - this was 3 years ago so those in the know were already all over this back then.
Absolutely spot on.
With every car for me.
Clio V6 prices are just ridiculous now.
Barmy car, and not a patch on a 182, but I suppose you can't deny the appeal they have.
E92 M3 though. 💙
Great choice for the 612. Budget alternative...! I would love a 599 GTB Fiorano.
James, my uncle who was a car nut said the MG'S up to the war were great and those cycle winged cars have won the Milie Miglia a few times, so I guess it's like people buying a Leica M series camera from the 50's.
One sometimes appreciates the vintage then appreciates the modern era until it is a "classic".
Really enjoy the sit-down episodes.
Love the 650S. Main reason, as quick as a 488 and no loss as a spider. Brilliant!
Great video! I purchased an Alfa Romeo 159 sportswagon in the summer, it’s the 1.9 not quite the v6 Q4 (it’s the first car I have ever bought) but so happy to see it represented on the list :)
A good listen. Great point about running costs. A had an M635csi I bought for 10k in 2012. I spent 7k on it and sold for 10k 18 months later. Recently it sold at auction for 32k. In the intervening 8 years it had travelled 2k miles and had a further 20k spent on it. So if i had kept it i would have made nothing, had a load of hassle and not used it. But people only see the growth. I personally think the 80-s stuff has mostly had its day and the nineties and naughties are where it's at, people want to use their modern classics, they want AC and no breakdowns. I agree with the Boxster, however I bought and sold one last year and lost 1k bit I did drive it 3k miles. The Mk1 MX5 has massively increased in the past few years. In 2018 a 60k mile uk car was 3k, now 8 or even 9k+ thats trippled. And as they rot away they will continue to grow. I dont think they will ever be worth a fortune but perhaps equal to an mgb so best ones 15 - 20k and i would suggest that will happen by 2025. Any mclaren 12c with a chassis number under 100. I think in 10-20 years time they will be 200k + Your 650s coupe a great shout as only approx 30 x 650 coupes in the UK. Although i am a serial SUV hater many people aren't and i think a gen 1 cayenne turbo will be one to watch, they are already climbing and some owners are pimping up to the safari spec which does look interesting. E46 330i manuals, especially tourings with under 100k miles, just try and find one. When there are none for sale it shows how rare they are. Thr e46 is the next e30, esp the 2.5 and 3.0 manuals in any form, prices are climbing fast. Now old Lotus has gone i think any lotus is a safe place for your money. I dont think they will increase much but i rekon over the next decade good examples will continue to be depreciation proof. At the lower end of the scale ford pumas and gen 1 honda insights i think are a good shout. If you spend 2k on a nice 1.7 puma now i rekon in 2 years time it will be worth at least double. For more expensive stuff i do think the 675LT has room to grow. The Bentley Conti also a good shout, i know quite a few mates looking to get into one.
Great stuff JM - biggest surprise the mini club van given your original review, personally I happen to like them :-) RB
Another enjoyable video. I’m surprised the Renault Clio Williams was on the list, I thought that boat sailed about 10 years ago! As a 70’a born kid I always like the look of the TR6 as it looked like a more fun version of my dad’s Stag, that I loved.
I’ve been tempted by a Mini Clubvan for a while too, I think they’re a cool option as a work van. This wasn’t on the list and I’d probably rare for a reason, but the Mini Paceman in Cooper S spec is tempting 🤔
I'd definitely say the classic mini. They're still relatively cheap, amazing fun, get lots of attention, have a huge aftermarket scene with lots of cheap parts, loved by many and are getting snapped up by collectors and enthusiasts. I got one for my first car a few years ago and I'm set on never selling it as I think it's amazing and don't think I'll get more fun out of anything else on four wheels. The prices are starting to creep up now with decent cars being 5k+.
Starting to creep up? They have, you could find them for under a grand not too long ago!
One more for your list James. Fiat Panda 100hp. Great fun, inexpensive maintenance and about at the bottom at the moment.
I think your bull list is a fairly accurate. I was offered almost 10k more within a month of purchasing my Evora.
It is fascinating how Jame's list somewhat reflects his age. A few months ago he reviewed a TVR Griffith, built when he was very young. Lots of 50"s people around with some cash now (and likely to spend the next 20 years enjoying it), review concluded it was a great car, it is rare, very pretty, easy to maintain, most issues will have been fixed, great to tour in, not brilliant on track and has an engine note from heaven, especially on the pre cat cars. Anyway that's my tuppence worth from someone born in the late 60s.
Ford Escort s1 RS Turbo. That is STILL my lottery win car. Love the grey velour Recaros , the white body kit and graphics. So 1980s boy racer, and that is the dream
Good this. Wasnt expecting to see what I think will be my next car on there... 159! with the later 1750 tbi engine being the one to go for!
James, what is your thoughts on 1st Gen VW Scirocco and Rabbit/Golf Convertible? I cant find a Scirocco anywhere for sale. I always thought they looked great as a Giorgetto Giugiaro design, and fun to drive. I would think they would be inexpensive to fix and reliable
I was sat at the lights today and what chugged past? A Renault 4. In beige. I used to see loads of those back in the day, quite an interesting car if you're a Francophile into odd engineering.
The constant need to extract monetary value from them is everything that is wrong with the current classic car scene.
Agreed
Its all about the greed. few buy these cars to enjoy them and make memories. Its why so many millenials and younger here in america have no interest in classic american cars for the most part. Even if we had family that had some, we were bullied into staying away from them because we might damage them and hurt the values. Or were just werent allowed to have any association with them because grandpa or uncle treated said cars like the Ring from LOTR. Those cars were kept in dark garage or under a trap most the time, and then only driven to a show where grandpa or uncle would sit behind it and mentally jerk themselves to gawkers of his vehicle.
And this is how all cars that Investors decide to collect eventually treat their cars as well. And now the 80s-2000s cars are begining to get the same treatment now that actual classics are begining to take the backseat.
This man knows his stuff, onwards to 1 million.
I agree on the 159, though I’d be looking for the 1750 ti, as it improves the weight figure and makes the car better to drive and run. Plus the Alfa ones like that it a proper Italian engine
Volvo C30 R-DESIGN T5. Especially updated version from 2010 to 2013. It's hard to find and if you did, then you need to pay minimum 10K for good example. If you are looking for low milage you need to pay 14K minimum. Heico version is even higher. Price is still rising. Future classic, much better choice than V40, which doesn't have that fantastic C30 design.
Great video mate . Have question in your opinion should I keep my Toyota celica vvti t230 mrk7 which is 1999 . Only 2 owners full history and immaculate inside and out . Or how much do you think worth done 110.000 miles ..
Problem with the Camargue was the price, for years it was the most expensive car in the world. It's styling didn't help it either!
Yeah and can probably throw a monstrously expensive bill at you as well when it does go wrong.
Seeing that Bentley on the list got me thinking about VW Phaeton. I haven't seen one in years. Are they a good deal these days? Peugeot 607 is another one.
Funny you should say that, I've seen three of them since Christmas all in Stoke-on-Trent! Definitely different cars, too. Saw one the other day. No idea what engine specs though!
Relatively cheap and super luxy!
They don't have the value to justify the repair costs unfortunately. I can't see either of those increasing in value unless it's a unicorn car with miniscule mileage.
Both are interesting cars and the 607 a very handsome one too. But unfortunately I don't think demand will ever be very big for these cars, so values will only go up very slowly. Asking prices for a good condition Peugeot 604 or 605 aren't that high either. People simply don't remember them anymore.
@@johang7498 Probably so. But both coming from "peoples" brands they shouldn't be bank-breaking in terms of maintenance. The appeal (as limited as it's always been) is still there IMO.
Citroen C6 and the last Saab 9-5 have already to started to move upwards, petrol engined cars I can see keep increasing
While the horse has bolted on the Clio Williams, now is a great time to get into a later 172 or 182 Clio!
Yep
Much prefer your list James. Love these type of videos.
Great video and insight as always and must say I kind of agree with you. 'Affordable' pre war cars are an interesting topic, the VSCC are investing heavily in appealing to younger enthusiasts especially through racing and trials so I wouldn't write them off yet - bear in mind younger family members of current older owners often inherit their enthusiasm.
Good shout on the GTI-6 I daily mine
It's a naughty car so easy and rewarding to have a bit of fun in
Any good kept Renault Sport, prob Trophy with the full spec, will become an instant classic. Since Renault axed RS like 1-2 years ago and they said it's going to Alpine, Alpine didn't announce any car yet, not even a concept cart. Oh and Alpine also axed the A110 in 2021. RS are cheap to run, heck they are Renault after all, good track cars and quite reliable. I'm thinking like an Mk3 Megane RS Trophy, Mk4 Clio RS Trophy or the Mk4 Megane RS Trophy-R (manual, carbon wheels, rear seat delete) will just keep going up in value!
Spot on with the Alfa 159 wagon, V6 4x4 too...!
As a general rule, if it is being discussed publically you already missed out on the early entry you are seeking. You can find them, as I have a handful on my internal list I track currently, but doing so requires a lot more data analysis, oem wikipedia pages, and auction sites. By the time it gets to video so many people know about it generally.
Superb video James. Howabout the CLS55 AMG?? Prices for these have almost doubled in the last 12 months!!
Another quality vid. Brilliant work James
XJR is on my list! Great car. Really underrated... Looks old, very modern underneath.
This is such a good call , love your choices i preferred to hagerty list , maybe a list for the future as Fossil fuel won't be around for ever .
I’ve noticed how in the classics Morris minors have really gone up. Most from early 2000’s will see gradual rises but the insane road tax put ppl off at the lower end
Concerning the Porsche 997.1. The IMS bearing problem has been largely confined to the very early 2005 examples. For the Carrera fitted with the M96 engine before engine number 69507475. For Carrera S fitted with the M97 before engine number 68509791. After those numbers, M96 and M97 engines were fitted with larger IMS bearings. As for bore scoring, that is more an owner-related problem. A heavy foot before the engine has begun to warm up and the oil has fully circulated seems to be the culprit.
About the 4L, I can see where you´re comming from for the UK market, but, in continental europe, they were sold until the early nineties and every nineties kid grandad had one, so the nostalgia factor is real there and if you look at prices in the south of europe the market seams to agree.
17:00 My dad has a TR6, its a cool car but I can't see it going up in value. I would rather have something newer and more suitable for the winter. Its awkward to drive, I'm 6'0 and I struggle to fit in the drivers seat. Its a 50 year old car, so the people you want to sell to will be at the peak (or even past the peak) of their buying power and willingness to buy. As for reliability: for the first 25 years of my life (and I'm told for about a decade before that) it was in the garage at home or in the garage being repaired. I do love it though.
Hagerty's list is just the reason you should shop around for investment advice. Some of those buys (like the Clio), was akin to ann Estate Agent pushing you to buy a house in 2007.
Great video, after a B8 RS4, exige and evora, looking to my next in a difficult market. Like the M3 idea as well as the 997.1- although I think the 996 turbo is a great shout, the prices are high though so 4S's look a good solid (slightly) retro alternative?
R53 mini cooper s is one of the best cars i have ever owned. Hi from New Jersey usa
It’s been crazy lately, I bought a new 17 Chevy spark here in the USA, Drove it for 60k miles and sold it for 1k more than MSRP in Q2 of last year. Then I Bought an Abarth, and sold it in December for $500 more than I bought it for. I decided to buy a classic mini and just enjoy my car as I don’t plan to sell it for anything other than another mini
Mini van. Excellent choice. Just look at the original Mini van values now...if you can find one. Staggering. Old vans generally seem to attract monster money which I find most intriguing
The Emira isn't having a Particulate Filter. Lotus have developed it with 3 Cats to keep it sounding great and suit all markets it'll be sold in.
Have you got a source for that?
@@JayEmmOnCars Confirmation on Emira Forum from lotus representatives. 👍🏻
Really loving your Channel.
I looked long and hard at the Maserati, it slowly dawned on me that you end up with a car that has Ferrari running costs, Ferrari reliability, but it's not a Ferrari. I 100% agree about the Porsche, great cars, except for that IMS bearing. I think the TR6 is something to pick up now and wait on it, they are going to go up.
Nice comment, I have Maserati Grandturismo and Cabrio, a 986 2000 Porsche and a 1972 TR6 so you nailed it :-)
@@andybroer651 For some reason, over here (Las Vegas), the TR 6's are not part of the "let's mark up every car by 50%" movement, you can still find one in the mid teens. I would actually make a move, but I am in the middle of restoration on a Capri 2.8i which is emptying my wallet at an alarming rate.
@@lvthud My Maseratis have been super reliable as has my 986. The TR6 has been in the family for many years and after a full rebuild by Jay Leno head mechanic Bernard Julichi has been dead reliable, although my starter is out. :-)
You're right about the Mini and nostalgia, I had an Mini One when BMW started making them as a second car local run around and many years later i've picked up an R56 Mini Cooper for the same reason - its a bit quicker, sounds nice and is cracking around the country backroads that i live by. I didn't go for the Cooper S mainly because of the engine issues surrounding them and at the price i was looking to buy a lot of them hadn't yet been fixed.
All 2nd Gen Cooper S's are ticking time bombs. They will all need De-Coking/Walnut blasted, and could easily all be on their last legs. Shameful that it got "engine of the year" when it released!
Hoping my manual E92 M3 Monte Carlo (one of three) follows your final prediction.
Interesting vid, as always.
Definitely agree with people not wanting to loose money on cars.
I’m seeing this across a lot of Facebook pages. Ever since the second hand market had a price increase. Everyone thinks there car is now a collectable/future classic. This is even cars like the i30n or M140i.
The current owners are getting annoyed at lower prices. It’s just odd.
I even read one comment asking about i30n depreciation vs a bmw.
Not quite the same as these cars of course, but I bought a 2001 Mercedes CLK 230K Avantgarde in metallic green. 95k miles, 12 months MOT and overall nice condition for just £995. I absolutely blitzed it detailing everything and it came up like a new penny. I drove it around in perfect comfort as a stop gap car with lots of features inc parking sensors, aircon, full grey leather, multi cd, auto box and electric everything. Anyway, I drove it trouble free for a year. Put it in for an MOT the following year which it passed with no work required ... I drove it for another month and sold it for £1100. I put it on Gumtree and a guy picked it up an hour later. The cheapest comfortable year of motoring I ever had.
Great Video! At first I was confused because none of the cars that you covered are on the 2022 Bull List that I have seen but with a little research I found out that there are two Hagerty Bull Lists, one for UK and other for US. You may already know this but I just found this out. I think the other list has some interesting choices as well like Pontiac GTO (66-67), Porsche 968(92-95), and others. Would be good to get your perspective on the US List too.
Bugger! My GTO is a 68 and my Porsche is a 928. One number out each time!
I’d say the 4200 is the car to have if you’re wanting an Italian sports car that won’t ruin you entirely now if you have to take your car to a shop for everything it will not be cheap like any other exotic but if you can do your own work it’s an incredible car especially in manual I have a lhd coupe and according to Maserati there are only 237 manual lhd cars so you get the special car feeling that won’t break your bank