AMD... Watch OUT, APPLE is Coming! | Apple M3 Max vs AMD Ryzen Threadripper 7980x
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0:00 Intro
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0:52 Which CPUs we're comparing?
1:30 Cinebench R24
2:38 Geekbench 6
3:40 Blender CPU
4:55 Adobe Photoshop
5:44 Which GPUs I used ?
6:16 Adobe Premiere Pro
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8:00 Premiere Pro Continues!
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Video editing and photo editing aren't the only productivity tasks, in fact, it's a whole different ballgame than what these RUclipsrs do.
yea youtubers like to conveniently forget that lol.
That's the thing with RUclipsrs. Most of them only test in Video/photo editing and gaming. But most professionals know what to buy so they are probably fine. The students, on the other hand, might get misinformation if they listen to RUclipsrs.
I know! They should do music production too… 😅
When people try to run engineering software that requires FEM analysis or more intensive workloads, Mac are not able to do it. Most youtuber who praises to Mac are mostly video editors, blenders, and programmers. However, streamers, engineer, accountant or more STEM programs, Mac are not as as good as Mac. This lead to a misinformation that supposedly "Mac are meant for career" when in reality it depend on what you use it for.
@@jeevejavari8461nope apple pays them to do that or the apple sheeps does they dont know what the cpu in threadrippers are meant for handling big data analytics and way more processess
video editing, photoshop, typical content creation, M3 period. 3D animation however, is a different story. And that's what TR is made for. I use to render 3d animation for weeks before on my i9s. Having that 64 core beast would reduce that to days or maybe even hours.
absolutely right!
I thought that some of the 3D animation programs use gpu for rendering?
Thank you for all your work my dude. I am hooked on watching your vids. Has really helped me plan out my next build for the studio, and instead of just going full out with what everyone else is recommending it's great to see someone who focuses on creative work so I don't need to build me a system based on gaming recommendations.
I don't know if other people have the same results, but both Premiere Pro and After Effects don't seem very optimized to extract the full performance of these machines. I have a 7950x, a 4090, fast and well-distributed disks, but when measuring general usage (CPU, GPU, memory, disk), I realize that these applications use little of the machine, hardly reaching 50%. I can even use the machine in parallel for other things that will make little or no difference. And this isn't new, it's been bothering me for years. Interestingly, when searching the forums on the subject, there is always someone from Adobe giving their generic opinion, basic configuration tips, but never a solution. Can anyone make these apps use 100% of a 7950x? I would like to know the magic.
Adobe’s software isn’t optimized for any platform. Hence why on Mac they’re outperformed by Final Cut and Da Vinci Resolve
Why you are not including Davinci Resolve render results anymore???
How much do the Tess utilize the multicores. how much are the tests just optimized for single-core.
great points made in this video. i have always been a mac user and have just upgraded from my 2015 macbook pro to a m3max. i do a lot of photo and video editing (also not at home on the go) i really got annoyed by all the comparisons and comments going like i9 and 4090 destroyes it totally. of coarse such a desktop can destroy a laptop, but it also pulls close to 10x the power. and also gaming laptops that „destroy“ the macbook pro cant do shit when not plugged in. finally someone who aknowleges the extreme power at efficienty
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IMO. The photoshop performance has nothing to do with the CPU performance itself, the software was not optimized for these specific AMD CPUs.. the M3 max was optimized for specific tasks, and software.
Exactly. the M series of processors designed by apple, are literally asics that can do some general compute.
I really enjoy your contents it seems from the future, you are always putting new benchmarks, providing new perspectives, love it❤
infinite thumbs up! Hopefully you can test a Mac Studio when the M3 Ultra is out. Thought I suppose you could "guess" what some of those scores would be (estimate).
Great work. Thank you.
I appreciate all the work you have done for this. M3 Max versus all AMD.
Obviously, a desktop workflow using the TR would use two 4090s most of the time. But i see what you are doing - comparing against an all AMD build. And it is useful data for all to see.
That said, on the go - you wont get better than the M3 Max or HX/4090m builds. One for plugged in and the other not plugged in (and lower cost).
Its hard to ask you to do comparing against expensive hardware.
But if one day you have the hardware laying around. The threadripper and two 4090s, would you mind doing a compare?
still missing the 96 core monster top end threadripper so yeah
Yes, the Apple excels at tasks for which it is specifically designed. What version of Windows did you handicap the AMD systems with? For hardware comparisons you should try to minimize the effect of the operating system. You can do that by running Linux instead of windoze.
These M3 reviews are very good at showing how little apple fans comprehend about hardware. the blender result is highly fair. the photoshop one is very lol, you are seeing a rewrite impacting performance. but i doubt the m3 can handle the range of vintage plugins you’ll find on pc. they are rather different.
what about the 7995wx 96core?
How is 7900x CPU drawing 200W
That is normal power draw or you need to activate anything to do so ??
how much power would you have to use to make up the difference in price, I guess is the burning question.
I thought it was a good comparison in a way, because it was different. The thing about Apple is by the time you have added all the add-ons 💲💲💲
can U play games on this mac?
I had an m1 mini back when it first came out and surprisingly got high frames while gaming (what games I could find for Mac), they are little power houses! Now a days though, I built a $3k pc with the help of you, Paul’s Hardware and jayztwocents videos
can i ask if you can add lightroom to your testing? it actually is better than testing photoshop, because PS runs pretty well on anything these days - its just the resolution of the images you're using that determines the speed, but lightroom is a real resource hog. I had a $3000 laptop and lightroom made it feel like I was on an HP from the noughties. Even on my current 13700k and rtx 4080 LR classic interface can be slow and laggy.
Great video. Very informative. Amazing to see how efficient and powerful the m3 max . Very good laptop for content creators
At my office we’ve got a Mac Pro. My main system is a 7950x3d, 64g @ 6600 w/custom timings, sapphire nitro+ 7900XTX or ROG OC 4090 depending on what I’m doing.
The Mac Pro cost more than my main rig, that also has custom loop direct die thermal Grizzly WB for cpu and the rest is EK. Yes that’s including buying both GPUs for my system.
Is the MP powerful, absolutely. However, you pay for that power and you’re very limited on what can be repaired or replaced in it. Point is unless you have a very specific use case I’d much rather have my PC.
geekbench is such a terrible benchmark idk why anybody uses it anymore for comparison
Honestly? It’s because it makes Apple’s processors look better. In reality, it’s a cell phone benchmark. So, it’s kind of embarrassing that Apple is willing to tout that as some kind of achievement.
Just to clarify; are you saying you ran these benchMz on the Mac using battery power ?!
Thanks for unearthing another left of field view 😊😊
Yep ;)
Really unbelievable @@theTechNotice
1:24 that is not unusual - they usually have the chips on hand a year before release.
Please do some LLM testing.
why no Threadripper PRO 7995WX
Is there a windows laptop currently that is faster than m3 max when it comes to exporting in davinci resolve? Ideally at the same price or lower
Get a Lenovo legion pro 9i with 13905HX and rtx 4090. Neck to neck if the laptop is plugged.
@@kylorokx1552 In my country the legion is $5500 and M3 Max 16" is $4500 with 16gb more ram than legion. Is this normal pricing? 😅I thought apple is supposed to be overpriced
@@seanvideoeditingYes that’s not far off the normal pricing, if you spec them comparably. Apple is not cheap, but when you compare them to the competition, they are not overpriced anymore.
No, the closest laptops to the M3 Max MacBook would be the last-generation M2 Max MacBook (16” of course) and a Windows laptop with the i9 13980hx and RTX 4090 mobile, such as the MSI Titan GT77HX. However, I don’t mean to be controversial but as an owner of all three of these laptops, I have to disagree with the user who said the Windows is neck and neck with M3 Max. In my experience the i9 4090 MSI is neck and neck with the M2 Max MBP when using Resolve, if not slightly behind. And the M3 Max just widens the gap further.
The only way you’ll get a windows laptop to beat any recent high end Mac in video editing, is if you use Windows-biased Premiere Pro, in which case you may find a few tasks the Windows machine can do faster. But if you use something like Resolve, which is optimized for Windows and macOS both, the Mac simply dominates.
@@kylorokx1552yeah no, at the price those come in at you might as well buy a Mac.
The M3 GPU seems to be a where much of the performance increase has come from. Curious to see how these compare on a timeline with multiple streams of 4K RAW and with LUTs and heavy grading.
I still rarely see CPU tests to run After Effects
Greet Mr Lauri, As a your viewer, and i watch your all PC BUILD BUDGET, why there is no Ryzen CPU?? all of them is Intel. The context, i work as creator, i would like to build a PC because my old Laptop is already cant keep up. Sometimes, the application is force closed. I used davinci resolve for editing. Thats why i love your channel. Its not about "gaming build" Thank you so much. and 1 more question if u willing to answer. 13500 pair with 3060 12gb or 12600K with ARC 750/770?? the price in my country little bit mixed and mess. Thank you so much.
Thank you for your video. I am an editor, who uses Premier, in the market for a new work-station. I have not been able to catch, in your video, any information about the RAM of any of the machines in which you had these CPU's ... Did they all have the same RAM?
I usually leave all the testbench specs and setup in the description below, did you not find it? :)
@@theTechNotice thanks for yur reply - I have noted that the M3 had 48 GB of RAM but cannot see what the PCs that you compared that to had in terms of Ram. It seems that information is not present in your description
Thanks for the video, but truly, many of us don't care about video editing/exporting performance. I'd love to see code compilation times.
So did you actually run these test on the battery, to ensure the M3?
Yep
For me photoshop performance is enough whatever the cpu, for premiere or after effect, I don't use them so often so it is not relevant for me. On the other side, I'm doing plenty of 3d renderings with vray, so I just ordered parts to build a TR 7970x workstation 32 cores/64threads and a new laptop with a 7945HX (16 cores - 32 threads) , those 2 cpu are absolute beast for this tasks ! but I would love to have a laptop light and not noisy so ... Bravo Apple, this is the way to go, I hope AMD and intel will find a way to reduce the power comsumption like apple did using risc cpu ... But I doubt it will be an easy task since it will force the whole windows industry to recompile again all the softwares ....
Unfortunately the Apple ecosystem is only for media consumption and creation. They lock everything down, dont even allow you to repair your devices. Also most of the power efficiency and performance can be attributed to hardware accelerators designed for specific tasks.
Great video!!!
Glad you liked it!
If more and more people using apple silicone, Should it make the cost cheaper for Mac?
For presenting patterns and relationships among numbers, use a heatmap. And let's not put red next to green, for color blind folks, cuz it's all lost on them.
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 7980X + rtx 4090 vs apple M2 Ultra/m3max(Premiere Pro Export) who wins?
Apple's laptop chip does well against AMD's most powerful desktop CPUs & GPUs.
I guess the M3 Max Mac Studio will compare well with AMD's desktop line up but what does that mean for the M3 Ultra which Apple's desktop chip?
I’m still begging you to do a 3D Artist build guide
I think X elite would be the only one that can compare with those M processors in the future. Come on X-elite! 💪💪
X-elite will take a few years to catch up. When X-elite comes out it’ll be a few months after when M4 come out.
@@GlobalWave1 It has potential since the snapdragon processors are not much behind those A processors.
@@GloryNature It does but it’s going to be a generation or two behind. Especially in the GPU department…
Notice how they didn’t mention the GPU much.
@@GloryNature It has potential in the cpu but by the time M4 comes out which is a few months afterwards I think the gap will be more substantial.
Especially in the GPU department…
Hmmm, I am not so sure now if I should sell my M2 Max....
Don't!
Interesting, now compare that to playing games like star citizen or cyber punk and also compare AI stable diffusion and others? I would love to see it. I used to run Mac, but when they stopped allowing you to upgrade your ram and storage, I stopped buying.
This is not that kind of channel my dude 😅
Apple is not a pro device - a pro device allows storage upgrade/replacement/repair as a MINIMUM
@@michaelandrews4783I wouldn’t be offended by Apple’s non-upgradable storage and RAM if the pricing wasn’t so out of wack. $400 for 1TB of storage and $200 for 16GB of RAM on the Air is ludicrous. The RAM itself is just LPDDR5 soldered to the chip package and the storage is low grade NVME storage by todays standard.
Either Apple needs to put in bleeding edge RAM and storage for the price they’re charging or cut the pricing by at least half, it’s ridiculous.
Gaming on threadripper is a bad idea if you’re looking for the best gaming performance. 7800X3D is consistently the best CPU for gaming.
Ok so yeah the M3 Max is just insane
Before Apple silicon I never thought I’d see the day when people say, “if you want the most powerful laptop, buy Apple.” Why? Because Apple has never striven to achieve that goal, they want amazing elegant design, efficiency, and a great user experience, even at the cost of some power. But Apple silicon really switched things up.
Imagine what would have happened if this M3 line was actually the first Apple silicon line ever released, as the M1? I don’t think Windows would have a user base anymore other than Parallels desktop lol
IOS or whatever it's called, is the most idiotic OS ever made.
Not taking anything away from M3, but adobe hates AMD.
Neat comparing a 7980X and some regular consumer processors here. A small note, aren't your >100% gains 100% down (ie. mislabeled)? TR in blender is ~390 to M3's ~90 so if the TR hits 90 samples it's matching "100%" or rather 0% gain so was thinking TR should be ~430% ahead, not ~330. Sorry nevermind, guess charts are showing performance gain; just a slightly different way of showing it.
If you could've thrown in GPU compute results it would've been neat as well since at least for Blender, you can show the M-series results plus a 4090 or such.
Plus, we all know Adobe software efficiency is garbage on Windows. TR needs to show some more indepth professional tests outside of video and photo. Still a good video though!
Cannot wait for the M3 Ultra!
Hasn`t it be released?
If the M3 had a native Windows OS, I'd be all over it.
9:17 Apple still using the crappiest existing ABS plastic for their keyboards; shiny keys (matte finish was polished by fingers' friction to get the shiny look) all over the place and it's like 2.5 months old at most. Sad.
Big problem for Mac is it's high price to afford
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did you accidentally said "whatever you do dont subscribe" in the end, or did I hear it wrong lol.
You heard it right, let's try the reverse marketing strategy! ;)
if you a 3d artist don't buy m3 max 😶
Sarcasm or serious?
@@ChronoCryptic M3 Max processor are not good enough for real time rendering in blender and other similar software's I mean not the processing power GPU side of things at that price point
@@dhanush-_-2562False. Blender simply isn’t fully optimised yet.
@@Abel-Harland may be but m3 ultra is not good enough to beat 4090 in any graphically intensive workload also if there is competition there will be a 4090-super gpu in the market
@@Abel-Harland Hey there, save some cope for the rest of us! You’re going to clean out the stores!
I like to call Ryzen chips as R5, R7 & R9, like I7 & I9s from Intel. It simplifies the naming a bit 😂
What about 7950x? Ryzen 9...9?
Please test again with RTX 4090 with Asus Rog strix OC varient ok then it's fair compression professionals always choose Nvidia 🙏🏼 please test it again
These kinds of comparisons are very unfair to not acknowledge that apple runs on ARM and others use x86 so yes, they get better performance but they can’t do all the things that x86 could do like a simple division, which would make my simple application of using things like desmos very unpleasant to say the least.
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You compare 3nm chip to 5nm one. Now imagine 3nm zen5 performance.
Can't wait! :)
@@theTechNoticeAccording to latest rumors - zen5 chiplets already in production!
It looks like the author during record all those comparisons fell in love with the MacBook Pro ))) But this is not surprising, since Apple's laptops are not just raw computing power. It's a great UX and ecosystem in the first place - all those things that we miss in the Windows world.
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I don't like Geekbench at all!
Wow , you'll only need a Flux Capacitor @ 10.21 Gigawatts to power the Ryzen Threadripper !
The threadripper uses less power, than the fastest Intel I9 CPUs.
good video
OK, but why even bother doing single core workload tests? It’s so weird that Apple is so keen to brag about stuff like that. Yet the most ubiquitous single core workload is gaming, and that’s not happening on an Apple. Like yeah, it’s an interesting metric, but that’s about it.
It's not just gaming, it's most of the things you're doing and would kinda reflect the overall 'snappiness' of the PC :)
@@theTechNotice maybe? I’m not sure sure though, especially with the rise of efficiency and performance cores. I feel like it’s not all that uncommon to see many different cores doing things when you are using an operating system.
To be clear, I really like all of your benchmarks, and the metrics you provide. I’m just saying, I think it’s a little erroneous and silly for Apple to parade around single core CPU tests, like they are beating the competition in every way haha.
When apple breaks into the gaming world the will make intel, amd and nvidia useless imagine playing at the same fps on battery as when you arz connected
so windows is trash too ?
No chance, Apple could beat those.
You must be dreaming, or simply not understanding, how these works.
Yay, Fake power consumption.
Apple is on a different
Max computers have always been the best due to how well the software and hardware works together vs having a pc that has to run Microsoft or Linux. I do hear that Mac’s are great for video editing and if that is your focus a max would do great for that; Unfortunately, there are things that a Mac cannot do such as playing PC games. I am not familiar with context creation beyond video editing, which is why I have been watching these videos because I find them interesting.
I’d actually like to see a video describing why one should build a pc with a threadripper, what kind of workstation would require that kind of processing power.
The M3 ultra, which will be in the near future will crush them all.
32 cores of crazy CPU power, double M3 Max. 80 core GPU with reportedly more performance than the desktop RTX 4080, to go head to head with RTX 4090!
Can’t WAIT for this thing.
@@Epicgamer_Mac
Ultra is two chips glued together, you really expect to get the power of a 4080 4090 RTX keep dreaming.
@@Epicgamer_Mac Where did you hear about this?
Cherry-picked benchmarks and only the video's comment says that depending on workflow (meaning: what productivity applications are used) PC might be much faster. LOL. --robert jasiek
What a biased video! 70% of the benchmarks are video editing related. Who the hell buy a threadripper for video editing? Apple has a media engine where ryzens dont. Also a lot of non-multithread applications just to make Apple look good.
The M3MAX is a 16 core sku while the R7 is half that. The R95 is the correct match and it outperforms the M3MAX by 23%. The Threadripper simply eats the M3Max for breakfast with a 236% better performance score. Apple charges $4,000 for a laptop while an AMD 16 core laptop is likely half that price. Everything has it's value. Nobody uses a single core laptop or desktop pc so arguing the single thread performance is a moot point.
First world problems. In my country, Turkey you should work for 10 years with mid-range salary without paying anything (no rent, no food, nothing) to but the MacBook or that TR CPU.
So third world is out of this conversation. Good luck!
Same story in USA too
@@psysword and influencers keep pushing the extremely priced products in our faces…
I see that for the second time you praise the MacBook Pro, but it is not suitable for content creators who want a workstation for CAD, simulation, 3D, UNREAL 5. I believe you know that no professional will do an important project on a laptop on the go... I I believe you also know that Photoshop has always been less optimized for AMD CPUs than Intel CPUs.
Bottom line: It's a bit strange to push the MacBook into a channel of content creators that has always been and appeals to a PC audience. Don't get me wrong, the MacBook Pro is an amazing product but less suitable for the majority of the audience that prefers the freedom and flexibility of PCs. That's why I suspect the reliability of your channel, which has recently been pushing Apple products, in addition to that your results are not accurate, for example the score of the MacBook in R24 is 1677 for the multi not 1697.
CAD, 3D, Unreal 5 never designed to be used on laptop and on battery.
Trash those Amd cpus 😅😅😅
i use r7 5800x 😅
I juste can’t deal with the fact that Mac OS is very slow. It takes forever to launch an app. And it’s very slow overall compared to windows. I can’t understand how Apple makes so powerful computers and makes them very slow in general use with Mac OS. Even if in loads it’s faster than my pc, I wouldn’t change it for a Mac because Mac OS makes me so angry. Come on Apple, stop with this latency. Make Mac OS snappier.
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The thing is, all this data is BS. Because TR will never be used in those scenarios. You are also comparing GPU performance using CPU names and claiming that the M3 is superior to those CPUs.
There are like many professional laptops which are far far better than mac.
Literally mac cant do most of the things that they do.
Suggesting a mac for professional tasks is laughable at best.