Part One: Andrew Tate, and the Mythopoetic Men's Movement | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
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Part One: Andrew Tate, and the Mythopoetic Men's Movement | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
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"There's a lot of hurtin' cowboys out there" could literally be a billboard for a therapy office here in Wyoming. I had an anger management course in my youth that was literally taught by a gentle old cowboy veteran man who was surprisingly unproblematic. His name was literally Hank.
might be onto something here. maybe mental health's problem this whole time has been branding
... well, marketing. While use of "branding" is semantically correct, using it in conjunction with "cowboys" conjures a whole different scenario involving hot iron.
Salute to Hank!
Shout out to Hank
"We need to find the root of these problems instead of misdirecting your frustrations I'll tell ya what" Literally couldn't help but picture it and I think Mr Hill would be an amazing therapist
The reason why men like Peterson and Tate ever denounce the real source of everyone's problem, unfettered capitalism. Is because they very much want to profit from it.
Correctly identifying the problem and providing a misguided solution is eerily similar to how the modern manosphere identifies legitimate male problems then provides toxic, harmful solutions to them.
I had never heard of Bly before but a lot of the things he talks about are real problems that men aren't allowed to talk about even in 2023.
Thank you for this.
Okay you're anti-feminist so that means you can't be a leftist
Honestly, it's kind of the contemporary right wing in general. There are a lot of legitimate problems that right-wingers are THIS CLOSE to correctly identifying, but then come to the exact wrong conclusion. We shouldn't trust the pharmaceutical industry, but not because vaccines make us magnetic; we need to rein in and at least reform, if not abolish, the security apparatus and the police, but not because right-wingers who commit legitimate crimes sometimes get prosecuted; we do have a two-tiered justice system, but the "Biden Crime Family" is not an example of that.
This is the exact same way modern fascism defends capitalism as well.
@@jacksonayres6326also pre modern fascism, which...is pretty much the same, except business has more control over the state instead of the inverse.
As a woman who grew up in a house with 3 brothers, going to boy scouts, with predominantly male friends, etc I always tried to get my guy friends to TALK TO ME. They learned early on that I was a safe zone and some have thanked me for it later in life. Little me didn't realize how important it was, I just wanted to know how they felt 🤷🏼♀️ but my heart BREAKS for men (or anyone really) who struggle to find connection.
some 22 or so years ago, I was a bitter and lonely late teen and literally called myself "involuntarily celibate" before that was a thing and I certainly didn't have the internet. I am so so fortunate that the manosphere didn't exist at the time and I was taken in by gentle and kind friends and coworkers who pushed back on the bitterness and made me realize that my approach was wrong and growth doesn't come from blaming everyone else. My disdain for the manfluencers is equaled only by my pity for them.
"Growth doesn't come from blaming everyone else" that's brilliant. I knew that being hurt and getting over it is not straight line but it really puts into words reality of the world that we can't control others so it only leaves ourselves to change reality we are in.
well its a sytemic issue, cant pur the responsibilty on the men indvudally
Take that same approach when someone blames the patriarchy and misogyny for everything too.
@@Maxrepfitgm except you're ignoring the centuries of documented evidence of those things.
30:45 The light beer thing is a metaphor for the conversation. Light beer looks and tastes like regular beer, but is missing the key element that makes people wants to drink it. Light conversation between men is the exact same. It looks and sounds like real, heartful, meaningful conversation, but is missing the key element that makes men actually connect with each other.
And what is that
@@ryanbinder1294 Emotional vulnerability and empathy.
We are afraid to do the former because we fear that the other person doesn't have the latter. Ironically, both people have the same fear, and cannot connect.
He was being all poetical and shit. Sophie is just kinda dumb
Glad you pointed this out. I felt like the point was missed when she mentioned what he had against light beer, but I understood it just as you explained it.
@@ryanbinder1294 alcohol
This was an interesting episode. In the mid '90s my uncles took me to one of these "passage into manhood" wilderness weekends inspired by the Iron John thing. I thought it was really good and positive really, guys all got into a circle and got really vulnerable and started revealing their deepest secrets. I got into the spirit and felt comfortable revealing for the first time ever my deepest darkest secret, which was that I always wanted to be a woman. I kind of figured, you know, a lot of guys had those feelings and just didn't talk about them.
So yeah that was really awkward. It turns out that's not a common guy experience like I thought and that I am, in fact, a woman, but neither I nor the mythopoetic men's movement were really capable of dealing with that in 1996.
This entire Iron John thing feels like it was done in good faith and with good intentions but had horrible consequences decades down the line. :(
@@daleketer7369 Or what has resulted has nothing to do with the former.
@@daleketer7369 did it? The Iron John movement is only one of many branches of men's groups, MGTOW, MRAs, etc., According to some Michael Kimmel (Feminist in the area of men's studies), he says that men who encountered the mythopoetic men's movement often led richer and more emotional lives, having better second marriages afterwards. He says this page 106 of 'Angry White Men' published by nationbooks in 2015.
You should be very careful about tarring men's movements, the Iron John ideology might be fictional and purport to a masculinity that isn't real, but you can't baselessly say it had horrible consequences.
@@DOCTORKHANblog🤔
@@daleketer7369could still be done even if doesn't get taken over by men who can't control their feelings and hatred towards minorities
So glad I found BTB last year…my 8 year old was singing a variation of the Freddy song from nightmare on elm street the other day that has andrew tates name in it it….I had to have a talk with him about tate (I had aldready talked to my 11 year old about him after these pods dropped). It’s so fucked up how right wingers talk about grooming related to leftist ideals…it’s just a another way example of their backwards ass projection. Meanwhile they are pumping youtube full of right wing fascist propaganda for children…
With a lot of these types of people “Every accusation is a confession”
@@queenannsrevenge100practically all of them
It just guts me that there was a careful, reasoned critique of how masculinity has been subverted by capatism out running around through the nineties and what came out of it was Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate.
The early nineties was such a hopeful time for all sorts of things and so much of it was perverted for making money.
Social media is a unmittigated social disaster, that provides these psychopaths, who are nearly always misogynists, a Platform to spread their sick, toxic version of masculinity.
Whats wrong with peterson? Was my teacher. Super chill guy
@@jacobgagnon1820 Oh, you poor thing. I hope you recover soon.
@@snorpenbass4196 yall are all insanely cringe. Come up with your own ideas instead of spewing what youre told to think. Try thinking for yourself NPCs
@@jacobgagnon1820 They have an entire episode on him you should check out.
Cody Johnston is not famous from RUclips, Warmbo is.
Tell them silly goat :P
There are certain RUclips contributors that sometimes have interesting takes on the modern entertainment industry but invariably go straight into the same territory that Andrew Tate lives in.
Because I crave their insight on story writing and on the intricacies of Hollywood I listen to the first third of their live streams and then tune out as soon as they start going off the crazy cliff. Because of this, the algorithm decides that I want to listen to Andrew Tate once in awhile. I can't block his channels fast enough.
It's not you. I watch feminist, socialist, science content but still have to block religious, rightwing content on the regular. I still get tate and peterson shit at least once a week. I'm afraid to imagine what kind of volume kids get spammed with.
The red pill is part of an agenda that wants to destroy men and their relationships with women. It's transparently promoted on here so there are secret services at play. I can't block them fast enough but they continue showing up @@HotaraTakeo
I'm so excited everything is up on youtube now. Thanks Robert and Sophie and everyone else at BTB for all your hard work!!!!
Robert was talking about all these boys who are separated from their fathers but that's not true for 80% of the world. All the subsistence farmers, people in poverty, etc. Here in Indonesia most kids sleep between mum n dad, hang out in the same small village, run around their dad's feet while they sit round smoking waiting for a job to turn up. It's only the boys of people with economic power that are separated from their dad's.
I live in Australia, and I don't have to tell you how stupid, the Anglo saxon west is. No more than 2% of the population understand, that the 80% live in poverty and misery, so we can live in luxury. What is even worse, is that you are labeled? "illegal humans" coming to Australia to live off our Social Security and take our jobs. You're not trying to escape the despotism that we infect on you.
I will never forget as long as I live the SIEV X. That was the Australian border protection designation given to an Indonesian carrying over 400 refugees on its way to Australia. The Australian government knew that both even when it left Indonesia was in bad shape. As the Coast Guard headed towards the vessel, as it was known it was taking on water nd floundering, John Howard ordered all shipping to leave the area because he knew they would drown and he wanted to make an example of them to deter further attempts by others considering entering Australia. And so over 400 men, women and children lost their lives.
Did the Australian government deliberately allow 353 refugees to drown?
www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/10/siev-o19.html
Andrew Tate is a monster, but it's super interesting learning about where the origins of these monsters are, and they are very rarely ever where you think.
I haven't heard why he's a monster yet. Gonna start part 2. Any spoilers?
@@DadaPoopoo look up stochastic terrorism, it's what he's doing. That and human trafficking too.
How is he a monster ? In the ring ? Hell yea 4x world champ. I'd rather have my kid look up to Tate rather then Dylan mulvaney and all these other leftists weirdos. And Robert Evan's sounds like such a typical libtard they all sound the same 😂prolly the hrt
@@DadaPoopooExtreme misogynist sex trafficker
@@DadaPoopoo everything about him is all over the internet.
But that aside, beating up women, rape and trafficking not bad enough?
Robert Bly: Drums... drums everywhere... 😵💫
“Der eiserne Hans” is really not all that popular in Germany either to my knowledge - I’m a book nerd and have several old fairy tale books, but until he said Grimm, I had no idea what Robert was talking about lol (And even then I only remembered the title not the story).
For what it’s worth the Grimms have their issues, so not entirely put off by them being a name red flag, but as a half German trans man, I don’t really care for the constant “Every German is deep down a Nazi” rhetoric - especially looking at the current situation in the US. At least Germans 100 years ago didn’t have a bad example to learn from, what’s our excuse? I’m so glad I got to go to school in Germany and got granted citizenship - at least I knew what was gonna come and could prepare by 2016, making sure all my papers are in order…
You did have examples to learn from, many. I mean, one facist empire that oppressed and constantly invaded you for a good thousand years? And any generalization is wrong. However, your escape to Germany framed as some smart decision to run from facism seems ill omened, considering what's happening in your country politics. Open bribes and gery,andering from open nazis.
Too, never heard, austrian ok, and what i know ius more the wilhelm bush types, and way too many in hindsight black education stuff remember more. of course grimms influence, but the iron hans is pretty obscure, didnt know it.
and the brave soldier swejk, thats actually good military satire
Beauty in the beast comes from a french writer in the 1740s based on greek myths!
This sounds a lot like that one episode of Rugrats where the dad's go off to find their primal maleness
It amuses me that all the current BS about *how to be a man* begins with bowing and submitting to the words of some internet j-off who profits from it.
This podcast is a godsend. I guess people who have the attention span of goldfish may take issue with all the extra context before Tate, but it’s relevant in understanding why these movements exist.
I understand as a lady, Sophie isn’t amused by a lot of this, but modern men do have very real *unique* problems that I don’t think deserve the eye roll attitude from her.
It’s hard to empathize with such toxicity but not all of these lost men are evil. They’re just lonely and disillusioned with society and its toxic expectations. Sometimes the people who seem the least deserving of empathy are the ones who need it the most.
Great episode otherwise. Very informative with good insight.
It's so insane to see all this somewhat correct analysis of how patriarchal capitalism is damaging to men, even though they are theoretically the ones benefitting from it. Then rather than being like 'Well obviously we gotta do something about this hyper competitive system that isolates us and pits everyone against each other. That seems to have been a mistake.' they say the solution is to cut women out our lives and go camping.
I live in Washington State and I'm now curious about the men's groups around here.
So disturbing that so many young, insecure men fall for the crap that Tate spews!
Because they have no where else to turn to. The mainstream does not encourage young men to be strong, masculine, and independent. There is a constant call to "redefine" masculinity for men, but its totally cool for women to be masculine. The mainstream is feminist centric and hates men.
The reconnect with your wildlife stuff was on Cheers at some point. Frasier winds up doing it, probably because that idea is mostly focused on yuppies. This poet seems very sheltered, living in high priced NYC apartments and such. Middle class men, at least in my experience, are far less likely to have that specific problem.
I just learned ablut this podcast today and all I can say is WOW. This was weighty. 😳 Curious what will be stuffed into episode 2...
Check out czar Nicholas, Saddam Hussein erotic Novelist and the Qaddafi one
Those are some pretty good ones
I also recommend the Czar Nicholas II one, but the L. Ron Hubbard one was an all-timer. You can tell Robert had great fun researching that bastard.
buckle up buddy
Absolutely hilarious that Andrew Tate made it into the same podcast that had an episode on Lavrentiy Beria
Legit got an add from some dude doing an andy Teaspoon type scam. Thanks youtube! Now give me more of the dude that is ripped and pretends to be a guest on rogans podcast while eating cake and flexing
It's really sad. Like, stuff about masculine identity and spirituality really is important to society, because like... even devoid of any other context, they're 50% of the population. And to an extent I don't think it's helpful to meet it with instant scorn any more than it is to take the ball and run off into crazytown with it. Like, the entire point is that meeting a man talking about his struggles and trying to to work out who he is with scorn and laughter doesn't help, it just makes him bottle it up. And it just leads to young men without other role models being scooped up by assholes like Tate.
Hey , the grimms while kinda did only collect folk myths and stories, did a good job of preservation. It was pretty good work even if they kinda did really collect folk stories there.
Honesltly the grimms and disney took others stories, but i can gve grimm the cultural preservation aspect.
So for me, I think that the biggest "sin" that Bligh did was misidentify the cause of the disease he's trying to treat. I don't know that that would truly be a problem if it was done in earnest, and not as a manipulative tactic.
It's weird to me that the lifelong poet is complaining that men aren't aggro enough. I feel like that's "I'm having a midlife crisis and projecting it onto everyone else"
I’m so glad I became a juggalo at 13, made me a better person #mcl
I read both Iron John and King, Warrior, Magician, Lover about twenty years ago as a man in my late 20s looking for something more authentic than what is now called toxic masculinity (a phrase I mostly agree with, incidentally). While I can understand why, I do feel you guys are being a bit unfair to both by seeing them through the lens of today's so-called "manosphere" (something I find utterly abhorrent and anathema to mature masculinity).
It reminds me of how my old guitar player blamed NOFX for the existence of Blink 182. Just because grifters and charlatans co-opt the aesthetics of those who came before and turn it into vapid trash, that does not put the originators in that same category.
I'm not defending every word and idea in those books, but I personally found them very helpful in growing into a mature, non-toxic man.
I think sophia may have needed to touch a *small* amount of grass for this episode, she was talking like a tweet the whole time
"Yeah I mean you brought it up, you should tell us wtf it is" lmao 23:25
Yeah agreed, I was getting tired of the tirade.
Cody Showdy is best show! How dare you! Get visual before you start throwing stones! How dare you. Theo Katzman works very hard on that show! And katie writes it all!
Fans of the showdy?
I shouldn't be surprised ❤
It's like edgelords obsessed with Conan. I like that world to, but they get all the wrong ideas, especially the "rewilding"
9:50 ATate is Beatle-mania for boys ; hysterical parasocial connection
I absolutely went through a re-wilding phase. Didn't follow an influencer specifically though. But fuck I did have fun with it.
Re wilding?
@@ryanbinder1294 made an outdoor gym to be in nature, started eating way more meat, bought a compound bow, no sole trail running shoes, did long backpacking trips, pooped in the forest. Joe Rogan would be proud. My office job was literally making me go insane.
Is this channel actually associated with the real coolzone podcast or is it some rando uploading audio from the podcast? Either way, love the content
The whole Andrew Tate stuff that has, and will continue to unfold has been incredibly confusing as he's always just been too dumb and caught up in his insecurities as well the whole alpha shtick since he was pretty much just a PUA that was slightly funnier to laugh at than the usual, and writing bad "books" before 2016 and some time around GamerGate.
Like, even back when I was an edgy libertarian-esque *thing* in my early teens who was previously a le skeptic, it felt like he was just another embarrassingly try-hard PUA on a grift. He showed up, did what he did and got made fun of, then just kinda became irrelevant. Like everybody, even the quite right-wing people that'd hang around the spaces I'd be in online would make fun of him and people like him, mostly for just being so obviously insecure and not having much to say outside the usual manosphere mantras and ancient semen retention precepts - which is to say again, he's dumb.
Wild man, wild.
Don't be mean to Cody, he gets me through so much.
Good people do bad things.... Bad people do good things..... Give credit where it is due, but don't forget what they are....
Having said that. Tate, is not a good person.
1:02:00
Ahhh, a leftist podcast, must be true ey
bookmark 20:40
53:08
This one. This is the single best podcast of 2023
Sophie’s sarcasm got real old really fast; as Robert (and Bly) pointed out, modern men are having real emotional problems; and even though Bly’s suggested solutions are more than problematic (I was there at the time, and totally agree) it doesn’t change the fact that men do need help; I appreciated how Robert approached the topic as a whole, while I could practically hear Sophie’s eyes rolling every time it was implied that (white) men have actual problems…they DO have problems, those problems are a burden for the rest of us, and I think it would be great if we could look at the situation with fewer jokes and less dismissal…
I found her to be absolutely insufferable and she’s deterring me from listening to the rest of the podcast. At the risk of sounding like someone who would consume Tate’s content, she comes across as borderline misandrist here. Her frequent quips dripping with hostility, her increasingly annoyed tone, referring to the most banal things as “red flags,” the way she views everything as having malicious intent, etc. From the downright embarrassing misinterpretation of the light beer comment to feeling the need to point out that girls get bad sex education too when they’re discussing Bly’s point that boys don’t get lessons on their bodies with the same level of intricacy that girls do.
Like, I get that as a woman, Tate has a tangible negative impact on your life, and so this is a hot-button issue. But Jesus Christ you’re treating Robert with hostility simply when he’s quoting the subject matter. If she’s like this for the entire Tate podcast I can’t stomach the rest of the episodes.
Yeah, the "just say you have daddy issues" line irked the living hell out of me when there were genuine problems being described without putting the blame on women.
There are no problems men face that are unique to them. There are no problems that men face that wasn't caused by men.
That might explain the eye-rolls.
It's easier to tell men to be quiet than to deal with their emotions. My mom did it. It's sort of how we were all raised, trauma like that tends to perpetuate itsself often without the awareness of the perpetrator. Culminates in poorly adjusted men with little emotional regulation or intelligence, and consequently the patriarchy subsists
Wingspan is a delightful tabletop board game about burd watching. It's a worker placement resource management game. We've taken the word back.
My therapist tells me I feel empty inside because there's something lacking in American culture used to exist in Native culture. I don't quite know what he means, but let's pretend to be Native Americans. That will most likely curb this entitled sense of affectation that my therapist alluded to.
We can sit around the campfire and I'll read my favorite fairy tale: the lobster and the scorpion
You could ask him what he means. Evans seems to take part in back-to-nature weekend parties in the woods similar to your idea.
Hi Robert and the BtB team. i would rather DM this but couldn't find how?
This is about the 2nd part of the Andrew Tate thing that dropped today (but i can't find as of now on YT)
I'm a longtime avid listener, i love your podcast, and i'll definitely still love it going forward.
I understand that you can't well preface every ep with CWs, and i guess this particular episode i knew more or less what to expect - although not that well, having not actually followed any of the Andrew Tate hype and scandals so knowing next to nothing about him, but i was interested in learning about this as an important current political thing going on.
But my main thing to say here is that in all the years listening to the show i don't think i've ever been shaken like i was actually listening to Tate's voice message to his rape victim. I wish i had never heard it. for the first time i feel upset at you Robert, and the production team for not at least prefacing the playing of this vocal note with an extra CW.
I realize this is partly a me thing, in that you essentially said ahead of playing it what we would be hearing, so i could've skipped it, but i've grown to trust? I guess? A certain level of sensitivity and, idk, this felt like it crossed a line in a way hadn't happened before. i'm not sure about this tbh. this sort of boundary is personal, and i guess you can never completely tell in advance what specific thing will kind of break that distance you have as a listener, to a horrible topic being discussed on your show like it did for me this time. I think it was hearing the actual voice though. Having you read it would almost certainly not have produced that effect for me.
An additional aspect of this, i think, is that right after playing this extract, Robert, you went off on what you yourself recognized was a bit of a half-baked, muddling tangent on what this sort of behaviour might have to do with mental disorder and with bad fathering, and while - to be clear - i get what you were doing, i entirely get that your intent was to connect this bit of the story to the wider framing about the sort of generational appeal that men like Tate can have to teens from similar backgrounds; and furthermore I know and trust that you are an empathetic host, like, in no way am i suggesting that you were fishing for extenuating circumstances; still, i think i would have preferred you discuss these thoughts at a different point, and at that moment maybe stick to the facts of the specific story that you were using this clip to document.
I hope this reaches you, Robert and/or Sophie, and, idk, that maybe it just makes you reflect? i'll be fine, it's not a big deal personally. i just hope this sort of moment doesn't start happening regularly while listening to your podcast now, and shifts my attitude towards listening it to one where i have to sort of steel myself and be in a more combattive stance as opposed to the warm sort of friendly atmosphere you've been so consistently brilliant at cultivating.
Anyway, i have an absurd amount of appreciation for your work. yours is one of my favourite podcasts, and it is brilliant and so, so useful. keep it up!!!
What a ridiculous comment... Thats why you couldn't find a way to DM them
I understand that you are entitled to your opinion and I genuinely would never intentionally make someone feel bad, but this comment is one of many reasons that Tate is enticing and has benefited a lot of men.
We are taught in modern society through examples, and sometimes literally told, that society should bend to our needs especially when we are hurt by something. We are taught that it is okay to be fragile and that the things that hurt us are the problem. The issue with this is that it subtly translates the idea that we should be more concerned with fixing our environment and the things that other people do before fixing ourselves.
Most of the men that like Tate like him because of the message he delivers that says you (the individual) are the problem. Go to the gym, learn a skill, earn more money. Essentially, challenge yourself and don’t blame the world.
I don’t say this to be offensive but if hearing someone’s voice shakes you to the point that you feel the need to get in touch with the creator and have them change the way they make content, you should seek some level of help and healing.
@@reconnect6989 ok so first off, i appreciate the civility.
my point was, that i feel, (and i might be wrong about that?) that broadcasting a personal audio recording from a rapist to their victim, saying essentially, "yeah i raped you and i don't care" - that that's _not_ been the way Evans has been "making content". like i said, i've been listening for several years and i don't recall this sort of naked exposition to a rapist's voice laughing at his own victim. there's been extracts from speeches and interviews etc, but that's not as immediately personal. that's the specific thing i was reacting to. ultimately it's a subjective line in the sand what you feel comfortable hearing about and what you don't, and i'm usually down with the sort of dark humour and discussion of awful topics of this show, so i'm not a sheltered snowflake thank you very much.
what i'm saying is, this actually felt _new_ to me, based on my experience of the show. but who knows, maybe i just wasn't feeling great on that day, and this just happened to spoil the escapism i wanted from listening to a fun podcast i love. it's possible. it's also possible other people felt the same though? idk.
regardless, i'm kind of fascinated this comment got this sort of reaction. it feels over the top kinda? like... it's a podcast. i'm a listener. this is feedback??? it's a super normal thing to do? 🤷♀
@@milu3779 I understand to an extent, I guess my point was just the fact that people asking for accommodation from platforms or people that they benefit from is a relatively newer thing. Not that the concept is new but the idea that we think our needs should be reflected by everyone has become extremely common. My perspective is probably less negative than it comes off as; I feel like people can be and actually ARE much stronger and more resilient than society wants us to think we are. This was why I said addressing your trauma should be paramount before blaming or trying to change a podcast for your reaction to it.
@@reconnect6989 yeah we're not gonna see eye to eye i don't think.
i don't know where you get the idea that in the nebulous "nowadays" people are more likely to think "our needs should be reflected by everyone" than in the nebulous "before times" but i'm pretty skeptical. until offered some objective assessment of that claim, i will assume you've just been allowing reactionary propaganda a bit too much rent-free real estate in your brain.
perhaps the one thing that is new since the internet and a few recent social movements is that marginal viewpoints are getting some visibility. Rich white straight men have always not only believed the world should cater to their sensitivities, they have had the power to make that a reality most of the time and to a large extent, still do.
“Every male bodied person” *barf*
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@@IamBrixTM A phrasing associated with certain particular strains of transphobia.
I can't stand how defensive and arrogant sophie is.
Iowa writers’ workshop is CIA funded
So my parents sent me to “the mankind project” to get me not to be a trans woman.
They used disorientation tactics, caffeine withdrawal and love bombing.
Kind of a stretch to link a a long forgotten men's movement to Andrew Tate. Especially since Tate professes everything said movement was against.
If you want these podcasts to become more popular, you may want to get to the fucking point a bit quicker.
Robert gets SO CLOSE to actually being empathetic to mens very real problems, but then Sophie distracts him just as he gets going in earnest with yet another inane comment. Yeah capitalist alienation IS an everyone problem. But are men not part of "everyone"? Do they not experience their unique aspect of the problem on a unique way that could maybe use addressing, while we address the problems of their wives and children? Or do we just point and laugh at duh silly menz? Maybe it's dismissive attitudes like that that drive so many lost and confused youngsters and bitter disillusioned divorced men into the modern day toxic manosphere. Like many on the post modern left you need to do better.
Yes, and Robert has explained in other episodes - about Peterson and other themes - that 'patriarchy' is a hierarchy which oppresses everyone not at the top irrespective of gender
Oh boy, 'cultural appropriation'. Calling strangers basically racist isn't a great way to win them over. It's a game where the rules are written on the fly by a few directed at a single group. It's the type of thing that drives people away from whatever point you're trying to make, it just instantly shuts any discussion down and makes them resent you and your viewpoint, in general. Not so much aimed at the show but creating new ways to publicly shame strangers to bolster yourself seems like a big, counterproductive waste of time.
Oh and look up female concentration camp guards, they all seem to have a thing for whips. None of this is exclusive to anyone if a person is raised a certain way.
It is vaguely kind of racist though. Do you just ignore it in your view or what?
It’s ironic that you can listen to this episode about toxic masculinity and immediately bitch about Sophie having an opinion. Hilarious.
Her opinion is sarcastic belittling shit.
DORKS
this podcast is cringe, no wonder redditors recommended it
Still better than being a sex trafficker haha
Wanna elaborate further? It's literally about cringe people and events
Typical L community kiddo. Your brain is fried on tiktoks and shorts now you can't comprehend anything longer than 1 minute
you sound cringe
"cringe"
To be a pimp you have permission
45 minutes in on a show about Andrew Tate, and nothing is said about Andrew Tate.
Shit what a mess this show is.
it literally says "part one" goofus
This was painful to listen to.
I'm pretty sure Mr. Beast is good. He has had a positive affect on the world.
Haha divorced men bad weekend dad energy haha they don't get custody and then they complain about family court haha
He's certainly not a monster. There's a reason why people, not only young have found Andrew Tate a voice they can relate to. There's a reason why he is more popular than any left voice out there. He speaks against globalism and wants people to be stronger. I can see that a lot of what he does is crass and I certainly don't need anything he has in his material life, but you have to understand, him and others are winning the ear of other's because they speak differently to the constant politically correct narratives. But, he is, also a narrative.
Human garbage. Right where he belongs. Prison.
Just change the name "Andrew Tate" for "Adolf Hitler" in your comment and your argument would be the same. What a dumb argument.
@@jamesgeorge4874 he has been released amd the girls accusing him have had there chats leaked exposing them trying to frame him. Hes not a bad person and isint even misogynistic they only take a few second clips and chop it up to go with the lefts narrative . I'd rather have my son look up to TATE then dylan Mulvaney or any of these woke clowns
You can say the same about a Austrian guy which surename starts with H.
Nice job polishing Tate's butt. I'm sure he'd give you a daddy style back pat for it.
This was absolutely painful to listen to .. nothing but rambling
Totally reminds me of Tom Cruise in Magnolia.
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Or just Tom Cruise being Tom
Cruise
Bro get to the point already. You ramble on and on about everything but Tate in this episode.
i can ease this offense: it says part one in the title. hooked on phonics, baby !
@@ohnoagremlin Except every part of this is rambling off topic. You wanna talk about phonics? You learn to stay on topic in middle school English class. It's like his Vince McMahon series where he goes into the full life and times of literally everyone BUT Vince McMahon.
@@nny156 if you know nothing at all abt wrestling that stuff helps contextualize it bunches
@@ohnoagremlin No, it doesn't. The topic is about Vince McMahon, but this idiot talks about people from well before Vince was even alive. He goes off on rants about everything and everyone and has one little blurb about how Vince didn't let them form a union and thats why he's a bastard, and back to Hulk Hogan because we need the entire life history of Hulk Hogan and his feuds with other wrestlers in our scathing take down of Vince McMahon....