For me, social fatigue is what I'm noticing recently, and I'm not getting better at limiting time in these situations. I'd like to add 2 more: Food fatigue - I notice that some types of food and definitely the amount of food makes me tired after. Sensory fatigue - like in a mall, some music. some movies.
Well presented. Makes sense. Please don't describe people as being "bad at setting boundaries". People have very deep seated reasons when it comes to boundaries which were formed in childhood. Most women have these regarding men, especially older women, whose expectations throughout life has been to put men first. Being told by you that they are "bad" at something only compounds the feeling that they/we are to blame. It's not our fault. Read Alex Howard's book entitled It's Not Your Fault.
Right... that's one of the hardest thing to learn and pace 🙏 I guess everyone knows people or situations that can kind of drain one's energy or even like suck it out. And then there are those that fill it up. For normal people it's like a blessing, a cure, holidays/vacation... for me it has been this way, before my ME/CSF had become worse. Now I have to be careful to avoid a crash and just can enjoy little bits of such nice and uplifting conversations or encounters, even meditations.
Thks so much for this video. I have been dumping on myself for not pushing through, now I will give myself permission to rest & not get overwhelmed. Another step forward. Love Mary McKenna 😍💖
No 1 Spiritual Fatigue in new to me, I had already worked out the others. It all makes sense as so many of your videos do. Thank you so very much. You are providing a valuable service to those of us with ME/CFS
All of them and for me, the biggest one you just finished with is it. Spiritual and I recently told 2 women I felt a chasm. Thanks I was doubting I had any of them before the video
Thank you so much for your videos. There is so much to learn from these, but what resonates with me most is the cognitive fatigue. I am an artist and often exhausted after a painting session and now I know why and why I need to stop much earlier than I have been. As you can imagine I push, push, push myself through a painting session. thanks Jill🌹
Very pleased I watched this video as I thought I had a handle on my energy levels and I know about all the things I have fatigue problems with, but it was great to have them spelt out for me and how to overcome this with a baseline. I have also viewed the baseline free training before watching this video as it was an advert beforehand, I have just had a crash without really knowing how it happened, my doctor's practice is telling me to reduce my pain killers and I have gone from 8 tablets to 2 tablets over the last 4 months and my pain has steadily increased (this is not meant to happen as pain killers are not meant to give any relief after a long time) and now it has sent me off the deep end. I needed to ask for help due to the pain and needed to talk about my symptoms (something I never like to do) I felt like I was taken back to the very beginning of my illness which is now coming up to 30 years ago. This video helped me put it into perspective of why I was feeling so bad. Thank you, much appreciated.
I like how you broke down the fatigue into different types! I was distinguishing between social, cognitive and physical and tried to cycle between these types of exertion. But you really brought to the forefront the hormonal aspect, a cycle that myself and my husband had become aware of but not categorized it specifically - it’s validating to see this as a specific fatigue and I’m going to acknowledge and treat it as such now, allowing accommodations for this. What blew my mind though was ‘spiritual’ fatigue, wow!!! I’m definitely in this CHASM and didn’t think of it as a type of fatigue. Nailed how I have been struggling about life in that one, and I’ll allow myself some grace and understanding about this being tiring in itself. Validating and helpful video, thank you!!!
Good to be reminded that they are all slightly different. So well expressed. Spiritual fatigue, in exactly the way you described it, is the one that I take away from this vid.
All the 6 steps you mention, I firmly believe is the Holy Grail to Recovery 🙏 I practice step #1 each moment of my days to the best of my ability, the other 5 steps are given a helping hand the more I practice and become consistent with step #1 🙏 Your continued Guidance is Truly Appreciated and Gratefully Received 🙏
I can relate to Cognitive Fatigue: Recently joining face book and discovering you- tube i have developed quite a lot of cognitive fatigue afterwards. Just as you mentioned after i stop it is "shocking " to discover it has been hours. It is a huge waste of my time not to mention the Cognitive Load' on my brain.Very good point!
Yes! That’s what puts me off doing the training program as there’s so much and I become overwhelmed by it all…it’s so draining, I like to learn bit by bit 😅
That’s why we have one focus per month and a self health assessment to tell you exactly what to focus on based off where you are at 😊 apply here and book in a call to see how we can help www.cfshealth.com/form
Im nearly better but today as an example I could not get out. I have been yawning none stop and just have enough energy to do basic things like make dinner. Thats all iv done. Im 7 years in now and rhe first few years where the worst. Intense 24/7 suffering. I am having bad days but functional. Not stuck in bed all day. I had good days on holiday where i went to a waterpark and went on nearly every ride. I honestly thought i was better but then still having P.E.M. so frustrating as i want this fully gone.
@@lindawitt9063 post exercise malaise, it is awful. After you go out and do stuff, you get up the next day and feel horrendous. You only have the energy to just do minimum things around the house and spend most of the day in bed, laying around because of the crippling fatigue. I'm still getting it after 7 years. I hate it.
@@esthercave8111i do have this but I can do 12 hours of physical work at my job . But I am doing more at work so that’s why I’m thinking I’m more tired . I honestly believe if I had it I would not get though 12 physical hours and be ok feel ok . I do feel tired like you said but I get stressed and not sleep so the tiredness could be that
How about Enironmental fatigue? I jumped ahead for No.1 and wrote Enironmental and was quite surprised when you said Spiritual/identity! Food for thought! I shall try to become more aware of this aspect!
Spirital made sense acceptance is a big thing of where you are at. Physical/mental my biggest issues trying to work which doesnt work just doing chores around house difficult. Trying to exercise 10 minutes a day difficult to do on work days, days off im drained. Had bad insomnia which has really effected my tiredness/energy.
People can have lyme, co infections, gut imbalanace, so healing the gut is crutial, and we should not forget that all depend in what kind of circustames person is😊
Hi Toby Really interesting how you break down the 6 types of fatigue. Been through all of them but what resonates most is spiritual fatigue. I have made a strong recovery physically from ME/CFS but am now left with this vacuum of ‘who am I?’ I think so much of this is because I feel at odds with societal norms and people. Would be interested to hear your take on this
Toby when I’m busking in Sydney Playing drums and socialising Is that all cognitive overloading too ? I’m trying to pace and limit my interactions and pace everything
Some type make me yawn and that's a lack of deep sleep. Some type makes me want to do a workout WITHOUT a video, but ill do what i want without choreography. The lack of REM sleep fatigue is the worst of all and makes me mentally instable. I'm currently taking a workout break, because too much working out reduces my REM sleep. The fatigue after a HIIT training is not fun, not going to be doing that anymore until I'm ok again with steady state cardio. Because I track everything, I know myself better and feel an actual lack of dopamine or serotonin. I notice that when i watch Netflix at night i don't feel sleepy. Why? Too much dopamine. Binge watching everything today and decided to not feel guilty anymore for listening to my body. My body is the boss and gets to decide. I can say that because my healthy self doesn't suffer laziness. I have healthy dopamine levels when well rested.
I am a full time carer. Not a week goes by I'm not having to do all chores and care for my husband. Appointments are regular every week some days 2 appointments in a day. PLEASE HELP!!! I have a carer come in every morning. We have a huge mortgage and come June I need to start work so we can afford to live
Do you now drive to work in your Porsche as you`ve always dreamed of doing on the back of suffering people. Become rich like me and join the CFS Healer programme and help others from suffering.
Spiritual fatigue can be very real especially if your a man or woman of faith We all cry Lord lord why have you forsaken me but in the morning the mist lifts with prayer and the help of holy spirit ...
I try to find something in my situation that glorifies God. That gives a meaning to what I am going through. And I realize that no matter how much of a failure I feel myself to be when I just can't cope, God is in charge and He's got this. He sees my suffering and loves me and He will always be here for me. That helps so much.
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For me, social fatigue is what I'm noticing recently, and I'm not getting better at limiting time in these situations.
I'd like to add 2 more:
Food fatigue - I notice that some types of food and definitely the amount of food makes me tired after.
Sensory fatigue - like in a mall, some music. some movies.
Sensory fatigue!!! Definitely!
Well presented. Makes sense. Please don't describe people as being "bad at setting boundaries". People have very deep seated reasons when it comes to boundaries which were formed in childhood. Most women have these regarding men, especially older women, whose expectations throughout life has been to put men first. Being told by you that they are "bad" at something only compounds the feeling that they/we are to blame. It's not our fault. Read Alex Howard's book entitled It's Not Your Fault.
Should be noted that even positive emotions can cause fatigue
Right... that's one of the hardest thing to learn and pace 🙏
I guess everyone knows people or situations that can kind of drain one's energy or even like suck it out.
And then there are those that fill it up.
For normal people it's like a blessing, a cure, holidays/vacation...
for me it has been this way, before my ME/CSF had become worse.
Now I have to be careful to avoid a crash and just can enjoy little bits of such nice and uplifting conversations or encounters, even meditations.
Absolutely. My daughter experiences a bit of adrenaline rush which isn’t necessarily a good thing. A crash can follow.
Yes, especially excitement which is the same as anxiety in terms of adrenaline load
Thks so much for this video. I have been dumping on myself for not pushing through, now I will give myself permission to rest & not get overwhelmed. Another step forward. Love Mary McKenna 😍💖
Omg thank you for acknowledging how difficult the female cycle is on CFS.
This really resonates with me Toby, especially the Cognitive situation, totally feel overwhelmed & exhaused by brain activity.
Been experiencing all 6 out of 6 types of fatigue, at the same time, these last years. I often wonder how I'm still alive.
Because youre a badass Warrior that keeps going 💪👏
❤
No 1 Spiritual Fatigue in new to me, I had already worked out the others. It all makes sense as so many of your videos do. Thank you so very much. You are providing a valuable service to those of us with ME/CFS
All of them and for me, the biggest one you just finished with is it. Spiritual and I recently told 2 women I felt a chasm.
Thanks I was doubting I had any of them before the video
Thank you so much for your videos. There is so much to learn from these, but what resonates with me most is the cognitive fatigue. I am an artist and often exhausted after a painting session and now I know why and why I need to stop much earlier than I have been. As you can imagine I push, push, push myself through a painting session. thanks Jill🌹
Very pleased I watched this video as I thought I had a handle on my energy levels and I know about all the things I have fatigue problems with, but it was great to have them spelt out for me and how to overcome this with a baseline. I have also viewed the baseline free training before watching this video as it was an advert beforehand, I have just had a crash without really knowing how it happened, my doctor's practice is telling me to reduce my pain killers and I have gone from 8 tablets to 2 tablets over the last 4 months and my pain has steadily increased (this is not meant to happen as pain killers are not meant to give any relief after a long time) and now it has sent me off the deep end. I needed to ask for help due to the pain and needed to talk about my symptoms (something I never like to do) I felt like I was taken back to the very beginning of my illness which is now coming up to 30 years ago. This video helped me put it into perspective of why I was feeling so bad. Thank you, much appreciated.
I like how you broke down the fatigue into different types! I was distinguishing between social, cognitive and physical and tried to cycle between these types of exertion. But you really brought to the forefront the hormonal aspect, a cycle that myself and my husband had become aware of but not categorized it specifically - it’s validating to see this as a specific fatigue and I’m going to acknowledge and treat it as such now, allowing accommodations for this. What blew my mind though was ‘spiritual’ fatigue, wow!!! I’m definitely in this CHASM and didn’t think of it as a type of fatigue. Nailed how I have been struggling about life in that one, and I’ll allow myself some grace and understanding about this being tiring in itself. Validating and helpful video, thank you!!!
Totally and I could never understand why anyone could cope with any of these tasks! Thanks!
Cognitive fatigue plagues me the most. It's hard when you're the one who used to run everything for everyone. The disassociation is real.
Did you test for lyme?
@@stellaancimer8505 I'm not sure. I'm assuming. I'll ask her today. Ty.
@@alexiapappas2741 dont forget chronic lyme is hard to test but still try it..and how is your gut health?
I am dealing with physical and cognitive fatigue.
Good to be reminded that they are all slightly different. So well expressed. Spiritual fatigue, in exactly the way you described it, is the one that I take away from this vid.
I am affected by all 6 types of fatigue. I hope to find something to offer hope. Thanks Toby!
All the 6 steps you mention, I firmly believe is the Holy Grail to Recovery 🙏
I practice step #1 each moment of my days to the best of my ability, the other 5 steps are given a helping hand the more I practice and become consistent with step #1 🙏
Your continued Guidance is Truly Appreciated and Gratefully Received 🙏
I can relate to Cognitive Fatigue:
Recently joining face book and discovering you- tube i have developed quite a lot of cognitive fatigue afterwards. Just as you mentioned after i stop it is "shocking " to discover it has been hours. It is a huge waste of my time not to mention the Cognitive Load' on my brain.Very good point!
Farout, I literally struggle with all!!! 😬
Thank you for giving back Toby.
You're welcome!
Yes! That’s what puts me off doing the training program as there’s so much and I become overwhelmed by it all…it’s so draining, I like to learn bit by bit 😅
That’s why we have one focus per month and a self health assessment to tell you exactly what to focus on based off where you are at 😊 apply here and book in a call to see how we can help www.cfshealth.com/form
Im nearly better but today as an example I could not get out. I have been yawning none stop and just have enough energy to do basic things like make dinner. Thats all iv done. Im 7 years in now and rhe first few years where the worst. Intense 24/7 suffering. I am having bad days but functional. Not stuck in bed all day. I had good days on holiday where i went to a waterpark and went on nearly every ride. I honestly thought i was better but then still having P.E.M. so frustrating as i want this fully gone.
What is P.E.M. please?
@@lindawitt9063 post exercise malaise, it is awful. After you go out and do stuff, you get up the next day and feel horrendous. You only have the energy to just do minimum things around the house and spend most of the day in bed, laying around because of the crippling fatigue. I'm still getting it after 7 years. I hate it.
@@esthercave8111 Gosh, that sounds really horrible. Seven years, that’s a long time. Very sorry for your suffering 🥲
@@esthercave8111i do have this but I can do 12 hours of physical work at my job . But I am doing more at work so that’s why I’m thinking I’m more tired . I honestly believe if I had it I would not get though 12 physical hours and be ok feel ok . I do feel tired like you said but I get stressed and not sleep so the tiredness could be that
How about Enironmental fatigue? I jumped ahead for No.1 and wrote Enironmental and was quite surprised when you said Spiritual/identity! Food for thought! I shall try to become more aware of this aspect!
Spirital made sense acceptance is a big thing of where you are at. Physical/mental my biggest issues trying to work which doesnt work just doing chores around house difficult. Trying to exercise 10 minutes a day difficult to do on work days, days off im drained. Had bad insomnia which has really effected my tiredness/energy.
People can have lyme, co infections, gut imbalanace, so healing the gut is crutial, and we should not forget that all depend in what kind of circustames person is😊
Hi Toby
Really interesting how you break down the 6 types of fatigue. Been through all of them but what resonates most is spiritual fatigue. I have made a strong recovery physically from ME/CFS but am now left with this vacuum of ‘who am I?’ I think so much of this is because I feel at odds with societal norms and people. Would be interested to hear your take on this
Toby when I’m busking in Sydney
Playing drums and socialising
Is that all cognitive overloading too ?
I’m trying to pace and limit my interactions and pace everything
I’m no expert but sounds like social and cognitive
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How do you deal with abusive family members who don’t care to help you and you have no one
@@SunshineGrove04i was there, if you have the oportunity you go away😊
Could it also be CIRS?
Some type make me yawn and that's a lack of deep sleep. Some type makes me want to do a workout WITHOUT a video, but ill do what i want without choreography.
The lack of REM sleep fatigue is the worst of all and makes me mentally instable. I'm currently taking a workout break, because too much working out reduces my REM sleep.
The fatigue after a HIIT training is not fun, not going to be doing that anymore until I'm ok again with steady state cardio.
Because I track everything, I know myself better and feel an actual lack of dopamine or serotonin. I notice that when i watch Netflix at night i don't feel sleepy.
Why? Too much dopamine.
Binge watching everything today and decided to not feel guilty anymore for listening to my body. My body is the boss and gets to decide.
I can say that because my healthy self doesn't suffer laziness. I have healthy dopamine levels when well rested.
I am a full time carer. Not a week goes by I'm not having to do all chores and care for my husband. Appointments are regular every week some days 2 appointments in a day.
PLEASE HELP!!!
I have a carer come in every morning.
We have a huge mortgage and come June I need to start work so we can afford to live
Do you now drive to work in your Porsche as you`ve always dreamed of doing on the back of suffering people.
Become rich like me and join the CFS Healer programme and help others from suffering.
Make sure you've had your heart checked out properly.
Spiritual fatigue can be very real especially if your a man or woman of faith We all cry Lord lord why have you forsaken me but in the morning the mist lifts with prayer and the help of holy spirit ...
I try to find something in my situation that glorifies God. That gives a meaning to what I am going through.
And I realize that no matter how much of a failure I feel myself to be when I just can't cope, God is in charge and He's got this.
He sees my suffering and loves me and He will always be here for me.
That helps so much.
I mean even healthy people can get exhausted socially . I know i do
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