3 Ways to Find Square...free to expensive
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- When building almost anything, you need to understand what square is and how to find it. In this video, I quickly show you 3 ways to find square using math, a calculator, or a high tech tool! All uses have their place, and use all three ways depending on the application. Also, the 3 ways to find square go from free basically to expensive...just depends on how much precision you want
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I will show how to find square with math, a calculator, and finally, using my favorite tech tool. The Stabila 180 layout station. It's not a tool for everyone, but if you layout houses or sites, it will pay for itself pretty quickly. One guy can effectively and efficiently layout anything!
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All I wanna know is does it make coffee?
I watched your earlier videos where you used the stabila la180, bought one for my self and I feel like it paid for its self in one month. Thanks
Thank you for super video
Appreciate these videos! 👍 Any info on roofs/ pitches/ tying in different parts of the roof (hips /valleys) Keep up the great work! Sharing with my mates at Tafe. 🙌
Tony Luka good to hear! I’m always a little leery not wanting people to
Be unhappy with an expensive purchase but I can only share my experiences and hope it works well for others
I would probably just stand around my backyard finding square for no reason if I had that layout machine. Looks super cool.
It’s great! My shed has been completed and it turned out nice looking and sturdy and it is way better than the sheds that many of my neighbors had put up. Of course, I'm pleased with the outcome and this Ryan’s ruclips.net/user/postUgkxGZedDTcDfgD7fG_uU4esfx_EgxzlY2_1 Plans was extremely useful to me as a guide.
I will say it again the best RUclips building chanel out. To all that watch share. Keep the great content coming
Thanks mike!!
Pythagorean theorem is actually a^2 + b^2 = c^2. The 3,4,5 thing is a result of that theorem. Love the videos Kyle! Watch them all!!! Carpenter from Minnesota here!
okay you got me...I was just keeping it simple...I said I didn't want it to be a math lesson lol
Ok?.. who said it wasn't?
That's basically what he said you tool...
@@RRBuildings I agree Kyle. Many trade people that work with there hands are not scholars, yet they are masters at the trade they do. I don't know you're educational background is, but I can confidently say that you are the master builder. Love the channel and I think this video helps tons of individuals, me included. Thank you
J Daniels wanted to let ya know that Kyle has a IT degree from university & decided to change careers. Guess didn’t like being indoors behind a computer all day😉 Which I’m glad, cuz now we have this awesome channel & guy!
Thank you sir!!!!! I am building a 20x30 pole barn and couldn’t figure out how to get square. You taught me something I will never forget 👍
Perfect for building decks etc at the lake where behind most homes are steep slopes to the lake. Thanks for this tutorial. Now to put it in my budget
I really appreciate the info, I've always had trouble building cabinets that are perfectly square and it drives me crazy so I'm hoping to try this and maybe it will solve the problems
Another great vid Kyle! I work for a small commercial general contracting company and we still use theodolites and builders levels to lay out buildings, but that stabila layout station would be great!
Your videos..Perfect. Your English...Smooth, understandable, perfect.Keep doing so Regards from 🇬🇷
Great video I’m an electrician in Canada and I learn so much about carpentry from your channel ! Keep it up
I use this Stabila also, excellent device. I would recommend checking it's calibration occasionally in the shop using reference marks on floor and walls. I've never had an issue with mine, always checks out but can't be sure otherwise.
Ranken survey had 5 units come in they had to send back to China because they couldnt get them accurate enough to be considered "calibrated" to begin with, quad 4000 or bust, its the original and 10,000 times better
Thanks for sharing basic building knowledge. I don't have any knowledge of building and I'm planning to build a small tool shed on my backyard.
Thanks for showing the free method and the high tech method.
i don't need that laser but i really want it GREAT info thank you
It would look so good just sitting on my desk.
I don’t need one either but defo want one!
Excellent video . Now it would be great that you could show us how to use it as a grade stick . Have seen you use the laser many times and measure the height of the columns . You have your metal brackets bolted into place and you use the grade stick to measure for height and mark down the numbers on the brackets . I have no idea what those numbers are . Thanks
good idea ... thanks
The laser level shoots out a beam of laser light that is absolutely level, 360° around the laser level base (head). You then go to the spot of a marked, known elevation with a rod (can be any straight stick) and the laser sensor. Hold the rod on top of that spot as plumb as you can. Then move the sensor up or down on the rod until it picks up the exact height of the laser beam being projected out by the laser base (the sensor will give off a constant tone). Attach the sensor to the rod. Now, wherever you go on the site you can hold the rod on any spot, move the rod with the sensor attached, up or down until you get that constant tone again. Then you know the bottom of the rod is at the exact same elevation as the original known spot.
It’s important to remember that, the sensor on the rod, only tells you when it is level with the base. The bottom of the rod is the ‘business end’ and is at the actual elevation you’re looking for.
*The numbers he’s writing down on the brackets, is the difference in height, between the bracket elevation and the known elevation.
@@psidvicious thanks
Excellent video. That laser will pay for itself by allowing you to create perfection from the start and not having to fix incorrectly laid out lines.
Exactly
Education...your calling! Well done presentation. Tim @ CLiffside Acres
Hey Kyle, I just wanted to say how much I thoroughly enjoyed the video. The layout station really comes into it's element when you throw in uneven ground! A similar future video explaining the differences between plumb and level and how to find them would be great too. A simple, albeit primative method that I really like is a clear plastic hose and water to get a level, a few drops of food colouring also really helps to make it easy to see too :)
great video! this channel will transform our concrete company. thank you!
I'm not a contractor but I totally understood everything you said, especially the part where the grade or lot isn't level and using just tapes will get you close but not spot on. For me close is good enough usually, but if there was any way I could justify buying that 180L, I would. Anyhow, I'm rambling, great video and learned a lot from you. Thanks Kyle!
how nice to be teaching.,., but with obstaculoss.,., example, a middle building.,., how I love this channel.,.
Can you put a link in the video to the jet stakes. I think after this video it will make more sense. Thanks
Another way to find square without using any math and only using one tape is the intersecting arc method.
Suppose you are trying to make a rectangle 60’x 40’:
-Like the method Kyle explained, establish your first control line and mark it whether it be a chalk line on something stationary or a string line from one stake to another.
-Estimate (or measure) the approximate center of your first control line and mark it. From that center mark, measure each way, on the line, any random number you want. The larger, the better, relative to whatever it is you are trying to establish ‘square’ for.
-From the center mark, pull a perpendicular measurement of about 40’. Just estimate as best you can, perpendicular. You don’t have to be perfect. Perfect will come from the next couple steps.
-Now from one of the randomly measured dimension marks from center, measure out to your approximately perpendicular 40’ mark. Again it doesn’t have to be exact. Swing and mark an arc, about 1’ or 2’ long.
-Repeat the last step from the other mark on your first control line. The intersection of those 2 arcs will be exactly square or perpendicular from your original control line.
You now have 2 lines, square to each other, that you can measure any dimensions you want, on an ‘X’ and ‘Y’ axis and be guaranteed of squareness. A simple sketch would make this much easier to explain but it’s really not very difficult, doesn’t require any math and works with any numbers you would like to use.
Wow, that does buy peace of mind to know your right on the mark or square utilizing the laser !
Great job Kyle as always. Another way to find square without the app is A2 x B2 = C2. This works well with a regular calculator. I’ve always liked math as well. Someone reminded me of this formula when they set up large temporary tents. Thank you again for the content.
super helpful video. really helped get my head around setting out
Kyle...I am very impressed with your explanation of how to set out a building. I have watched your video's with great interest and honestly believe your pole frame construction method for both work shops and homes would go down great in Ireland.
That is a nice tool to have when doing a lot of construction work.
Thanks for explaining laser planer from Stabila. I used 25' tape to square 24x40 ice rink and it was a mess..
Nice tool and method explained well. Thanks Kyle.
Loved when you went real life in the yard. Awesome Kyle.
This is all a newer and less expensive version of what we were using for survey layouts back in 1990. We had the laser on a tripod and a prism on an extending rod. Did this for setting miles of easements for utility runs. Mostly phone and fiber.
Great presentation from a metal stud contractor.
Another amazing video! I really appreciate the time you take to teach us
This was a great video, my kids loved watching it too... typically they’ll tune out when I’m watching RUclips. But they loved the lesson 👍🏻
Another great video. You would be a great teacher. With real experience.
One of my most enjoyed channels. With all the great videos dropping I'm wondering if there is any time left to build ? Hoping you are able to work on the construction projects because I really enjoy your work in progress stuff. Your cordless circular top five narrowed my choice down from 3 to 1 after a lot of research - your take put me over the edge, made the choice and have been very satisfied with that choice, so, thank you !
Kyle you rock! Greetings from Finland, Europe.
I like the information you give on these videos.
Great info. and demo with the laser.
Just happened to stumble upon your channel and I was wondering if you happened to went college and if so, what’d you major in or what’d you gain experience from and learned to be so successful in building barns/large buildings?
computer science actually
Great video! I'm not a builder, but jack of all trades (kinda) master of none. (Railroad mechanic). I learned a lot with this!
BTW... when do you want to come to Omaha to do my building?!? 😁
Haha
Lol. But seriously... 😁 I have RV hookups. 50 amp! 😁
Getting closer...
Anyone remember the famous TI-86 graphing calculate that we needed in school for Maths....oh the good old days😅
Great vid Kyle....great vid👍🏻
Thanks Kyle, great explanation of tools.
What a great tutorial Kyle...the visuals made it very easy to understand..im not a builder just a beginner DIY 'r ... gonna try to build a small generator shed soon with no skills!
good luck
I build aluminum boats and heres a trick I found for fractions. If you want to cut a fraction in half, let's say 5/8, just double the denominator. Half of 5/8 is 5/16.
You can also double the fraction with the same reversed trick . 3/16 doubled is 3/8. Sometimes it gets a lil messy. Example: doubling something like 5/8 and youll get 5/4. Just use the 4/4 as your whole number and you have 1/4 left, so it would be 1 1/4. Once you get the hang of it, it's really easy and quick. And remember when you're adding fractions, make sure the denominator is the same for both. This saves a lot of time as I find manually calculating fractions sometimes confusing. I sit there and triple check my numbers because I don't trust myself lol hope this helps at least someone
Great tip!
Awesome Demo!!! I want that tool!!!
Excellent video and you explained it all so clearly! Does they Stabila layout station also give you the dimension/distance from the plump point like a tape measure would?
Not without a tape or ldm... laser distance meter
A GREAT WAY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT MATH IT CAN BE DONE IN A FUN WAY
Love watching your videos, I think I learn something every time i watch!
Great video bro . I love the 3-4-5 , I am checking square all the time on my framing jobs . It bugs me to no end when things aren’t square / plumb or level . Makes everything easier when you just check . By the way how are you liking that Martinez framing square ? I just got mine ordered but it’s going to be a few weeks till they make me one . Not keeping much on hand I was told . Can’t wait for it ! Nice work man on always sharing your knowledge 👍🏻
So awesome
I know the Pythagorean theorem but did not know the 3 4 5 trick wish they teached me that at school the most useful part they left out
Mesh 5-12-13 is more useful for builders. Both are called “Pythagorean triples” if you google that term you’ll get a long list of them.
3,4,5 works BECAUSE of the Pythagorean theorem, not just coincidentally.
How about finding square Ina remodel job , say maybe doing flooring in a 30 year home , starting square is easier then going behind someone remodeling . Great video
You know what they say lol even buckingham palace is 14” out of square
Nice information. So how do you know where to mark a reference line/mark on the footer (for example) in front of the receiver?
You ever thought about being a teacher? Great job!
Hey Kyle - I know this is an older video, but I am curious on the comparison between this and the LAR 350. It seems like there are some overlapping uses for both. ie, it seems like you can square with the 350 on its side, but then you can also capture grade with the 180. I haven't found any real good comparison videos out there. If you had to own one, which would it be? If you have some thoughts I'd greatly appreciate it!
Great question. Im trying to find out the same.
You just added a tool to my list for the masonry company that I'm trying to launch next season. Also in your defense of not going over the entire pythagorean theorem it is incredibly difficult to actually do those calculations in imperial measurements, base 12 number system with fractions thrown in for good measure lol.
I didn't catch whether it measured distance as well? I guess once string lines up and horizontal you could get accurate measures with a tape. Without having to readjust for square from the manual method. Sorry just talking that through. Good tool i think i get it.
yes exactly...i just didn't want to go super in depth...just a over view
I wish laser tapes were more reliable.
Thank you Kyle ...smart guy 😁👍👍👍
Man this just helped me alot thanks man
Awesome info and demonstration Kyle. Thanks 🙏
That’s the absolute nuts!!! Would hardly use it but definitely need it!! 😂
Awesome vid, you can't explain better, perfect
What’s the best way to lay out a slab? My retaining wall and wall dividing my neighbor yard is not square. I was thinking reference it to the house.
Awesome thanks for that. I'm thinking about getting the LA 90
great video... i just got my self a 3 plane Milwaukee 250 ft. 3-Plane green Laser Level and i have a pergola wall attach to be install where should i position my laser level to start with?
Hey Kyle great video I was wondering if you use the layout station on post frame buildings with your corner stakes to hold the strings cause I'm very interested in one of them
You could for sure... once you have a constant line you could use the layout station to get a perfect perpendicular line for a wall
This reminds me when I helped a build a garage and the footer was off by 4 in and he was using a Transit.
Great video! Where are your home remodel videos and more importantly, the horse run in shelter you did with GP Smart side??
Should totally sell those shirts I’d definitely buy one!
Alex Lambert go to where the title of this video is & see that little arrow to the right . Click that & scroll down where you see the link for shirts or hats . I have one there pretty sweet right ! 👍🏻
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You the man Andy
RR Buildings : just showing the love brother
RR Buildings ordered! thanks guys and keep up the sweet work and good content!
Hi bud, could you help me understanding when to remove plumb & line braces after squaring walls ?
i would like to see different foundation types you use for post frame.
Very awesome video my brother. Cool way to teach what you have learned.
Cool video
Technically speaking you are using the Law of Cosines, not the Pythagorean Theorem. The Pythagorean theorem states that if you START with a right triangle, then the sum of the squares of the two adjacent sides will be equal to the hypotenuse squared not the other way around. Pythagoras did not say that if you start with a triangle where the sum of the squares of two sides equals the square of the remaining side, then it has to be a right triangle. It's a subtle but significant difference.
Yes siree, you are right about the nylon tapes and metal tapes, they will stretch or shrink depending on the user. What's more, a metal tape will grow or shrink depending on the ambient temperature. So, if you are looking for 400 feet in 30 degree weather and another 400 feet in 90 degree weather, those two points will not meet or match each other due to the expansion/contraction of the metal in the tape. Surveyors have the same when they use their "chain" to get points in long distance so in the earlier days when using metal chains, they had to correct for the temps. Today, the laser equipment doesn't have that extreme inaccuracy although, I do believe light is affected by temperature but it's very minimal at earthling temperatures. Also, what are those crossed 2x4's staked into the ground when laying out buildings at one corner?
Batter boards... I should make a video about them
Hi , after squaring wooden walls , wondering when to remove plumb & line braces ?
great video you explained it well love to see more on the laser
Great video! I have been watching your channel for a while. So my question is how to lay out an unattached structure (workshop) parallel to an existing structure (house) on two axis? If more information is needed please let me know. Thanks again for sharing you knowledge with us! Regards, John
nice video!
A Very Cool Multiple Gadget Tool 👍 Nicely Done 😲
Great job thank you very much.
Great video man! Thanks!
If it looks square, it is square.
I had a construction crew who thought that way and 3 were fined and convected after a bridge failed back in the 90's. 2 people were injured and 1 died. They eyeballed abutments because they were in a hurry.
@@therealderjett hes not talking about fuckin bridge building
Nonsense. After about 10 feet (max) your eye is no longer able to judge pretty close to “square”.
So it’s a 3 line lazer that’s long distance so what do you think about the Milwaukee m12 new self leveling lazer that goes to 250 feet for 700 that comes with the receiver, now this lazer the m180 is $2000 now
Made my eyes water when that laser was hitting you in the face. Lol
Good stuff, as always - liked the "one man two tape" method =)
Hey Kyle. Thanks for ur help. I've learned alot. I'm new to metal roofing and framing is now my new job. But I was on metal roof and starting out of valley. I could not figure out how to come out the valley. It was so annoying. I could not do it. Going into the valley was easy. But the section where it ended and started in a valley. Well just wanted to ask if u could make a video on it. Think it would help alot. Even on small scale e
I use the 3 4 5 to start most of my tile job
Great video! What if I'm laying out a foundation say one side is 100ft long and I need to place anchor bolts every 25ft, could this device help me to accurately place these bolts when pouring the concrete?
You finally struck home when you mentioned un-level ground layouts.
Had to finish another rr video before coming here
@RR Buildings - I am building a detached garage. How do I pick a reference point from the existing home and layout a 28 x 28 garage using the screwdriver method from there? The method makes perfect sense, just trying to figure out how to square to existing structure. Great stuff, thanks!
Hey Kyle I watch you're videos all the time man. I'm impressed you use all the same tools as me which made me buy you're red headed step child haha. 300$ well spent. -Spencer framer from NEw England!!
Will it also read the distance you’re looking for? For example, if you’re trying to square up a 20’x40’ building will it let you know when you’ve reached 20’ or 40’?
Another trick that an old roofer taught me was this,
Snap three parallel lines on the roof deck from one end to the other. One close to the edge and one close to the top.
The other one is in the middle of these two. Take a nail and drive it in any place along the center line.
Then hook your tape on the nail and measure any distance, as long as its the same distance to the top and bottom line. Then snap a line from top to the bottom .This will square up the roof panel.
Interesting
That would work..nice n easy
I like that. Makes a midway double check easy anywhere on the surface. Make sure those three lines are PARALLEL to the roof, not just each other though. This would really work well laying steel strips that go from the top to bottom as Kyle does since he always has one guy at the top and one at the bottom and they both have tape measures, no vertical line needed.
Yes
You measure up from the bottom, any random number say 4''.
Go to the other end and measure the same up from the bottom snap a line.
Then measure up to the top, you can stay down a couple inches .
I always use an easy number to divide in half.
Then measure up the same distance at the other end snap a line.
Then snap a line in the center.
You do not have to go the whole distance at the top or center with a line.
Just long enough to get where you want to measure from.
Thats probably the 1st "expensive" tool I've seen u with that i see value in, n if i could afford it I'd buy it in a heartbeat (unlike that damn 4k work station). Here in Jamaica its a lot of hills n to square a building on a slope of 25 to 30 degrees over a 50' span is a hell of a job. That would make the job 99% easier. My question/s tho is, when on the tripod how do u identify where that plumb laser would be on the ground? And 2 does that device measure the horizontal disrance the receiver is away from it?
this video is great kyle. thanks
I want that yard! Where’s your neighbors? It looks like you’re in the middle of nowhere. Room to move around. Is this your place? Fly a drone over it please. One can dream.
Yes my place
Are there any 1-5 acre parcels for sale in that neighborhood? If so, do you know what asking prices are? 5 acres here are $130,000.