I am a kid of the 80s. Road & Track, Car & Driver would all say that the Porsche 944 turbo was the best handling sports car. You guys don't remember that?
Those magazines lie to kiss ass to manufacturers so they get to go to the 5 star hotels and drive their new cars and make content. Don't listen to them
Also, there's the M96 and M97 flat sixes (built from '97-'08) that can require a rebuild in one of four ways; IMS, d-chunk, cylinder head crack or bore scoring. Fine to buy those cars, just go in with a game plan and eyes wide open.
Thank you for the honest feedback. I bet many people don't know potential $$$$$ expenses when looking at used Porsches. A dealer/reputable mechanic full inspection seem to be worth gold prior to consider a purchase.
Now Nathan what do you really think?? I’m never quite sure what your opinion is…haha. Love your straight talk. Rare to find someone that tells it like it is. You’ve saved me from a lot of mistakes on beemers and Porsches. Thank you!
I like my 986! It drives well, has not too much power for the street (drive a slow car fast!), and are reliable if you can find one with once the IMS bearing upgrade.
Nathan you’re not negative, you’re just real. In 2023 and in this market it is clear that the manufacturers want you to buy new every 100k. The trick is to control everything with your car and take care of it.
Have a 997.2. Got it with 52,000 miles, it now has 125,000 miles without any major issues. This year we got a Macan S with 50,000 miles on the clock, & I love it. I owned a 73 914, kept the car for 7 years, wish I still had it. Had a 2003 964 cab. those had a horrible reputation at the time. I had no problems and I sold for 5K more than I paid for it. Maybe I've been lucky or maybe I take care of the cars I love.
Enjoying my first Porsche, a 1987 924S. This is the best of the 924 line next to the 924 Turbo. It has some quirks, but still relatively easy to work on and maintain. Surprised the 914 didn't make your list.🤔
When I was a kid there were 944's all over the place in S. FL so one of those are on my bucket list at some point. I'm having fun with my Carrera 3.2 at the moment so it may be a while for the next project.
Great info, glad to see the Cayman still there, I was worried. I have 2 - 987.1 and .2, both run great but still worried about bore scoring on the .1. Be safe on the back roads, deer still don't carry insurance.
Hey Nathan, recently found you’re channel and I’m really enjoying the content. Been watching a few videos of yours, and I must say I’m really impressed. I’m part of a big Porsche community in the US & UK and you seem to mention bore scoring a lot on your videos? The reason I bring this up is truly because you haven’t really shown any videos on a bore scored porsche on this channel and me and a lot of guys would love to see a great tutorial on how to prevent it , what it looks like , and how to fix it. There really isn’t any information on your channel or anywhere on RUclips regarding anyone building or showing a bore scored porsche engine in full term. I don’t know if this is something you would consider buying or doing so I could possibly share this or send the guys over to you’re channel. As your probably aware there is many people who would love to own a Porsche but are terrified of the bore score problem due to not much information or any videos relating to this issue and how to properly repair it. Most of us try to work on our own Porsches but bore score is something out of our depth and I believe a video about it would give us the confidence to tackle this issue and help a Porsche enthusiast community. We have all tried to search RUclips but there is literally nothing and nobody who has done a bore score repair they are all short 2 min videos showing a bore scored engine but nothing more or where they had it repaired , full breakdown of cost , showing the engine before and after. I think it may add good value for your channel going forward. Anyway, hope you see this comment and hope to hear your thoughts on this Ben
I liked ur BMW channel, they get such a bad wrap, I know, but u know as well as I do u keep maintenance up and ur good to go, I have 2 335i ‘s, coupe, and convertible I love them, never the less I still watch ur videos, lets make BMW great again.
Nathan answers just like how all Porsche purists would. However the SUVs like Cayenne and Macan are the only reason why Porsche was able to survive and become a profitable company. That profit continues the R&D for the sports cars that the purists love. This is what makes Porsche work: - Majority of the customers will continue to buy the Cayenne and Macan and make Porsche thrive. - Purists will continue to show the passion and love of the brand, even if it is just for the sports cars. There is also the hardcore purists which are 911 or nothing lol
Have my eye on a 83’ 944 I’ve passed by parked for two years. Had a BMW 2002 Tii in high school in the 80’s. Going to start my Porsche experience 50 years later for $1K haha
I want an air cooled 911 and the mid 70's Targas are a bit cheaper. I almost bought a 76 Targa last month but kept looking at the roof line and started to hate it so I passed. I just cannot get past paying $50k for an air cooled 911 coupe so I likely won't be getting one anytime soon.
I’ve owned 18 Porsches in my lifetime, 17 were air cooled, one water cooled then it bore scored and “ims'd”. Loved all 18 but one, done with liquid cooled Porsches
The Panamera is the rebirth of the 928 for those that want a big sport touring car, not for me though. I'll keep the Cayman which basically is a 911 with the engine rotated 180 degrees.
Agree with your opinion on Macans. We bought a 2017 Macan Diesel S for my wife early 2022 for $80k NZD, 35k km on the clock. Now 53k km, it's worth probably $50k NZD at best. Also have visited porsche specialist shop many times... Problems: 1) replaced O2 sensor 2) replaced leak Ad-Blue line (line connects right on top of the turbo....plastic line...dumb design, and turbo sits at the back of the engine behind the firewall WTF) 3) many engine light issues that were just glitchy, same O2 sensor gives false alarm (or delayed alarm) 4) turbo light went on while on a scenic drive with the local Porsche Club, and no turbo. Luckily light went off after I restarted and never came on again... I'm personally driving a Lexus NX200t now. I would still buy a Porsche, but only 911 or Cayman 997.2/987.2 only.
Great channel Nathan and I respect your opinion pretty highly since you wrench these cars. I'd like to think that I've done my homework before going into Porsche ownership. I'm currently awaiting feedback from a PPI inspection on a 45K mile 2011 Boxster S. After doing my homework I'm just more comfortable with the DFI engine versus the 987 generation one cars. My plan was to try to find the best example and most unique spec'd car that I could find in my price range. I'm nervous and excited at the same time, this will be my first "fun" sports car. I've got the garage space and will soon be retired so looking forward to doing my own basic maintenance on a car. I live in a rural area with lots of narrow, curvy and undulating country roads so "free track day" resonates with me. I just wish I had done this years ago. If you can afford it, do it, life is too short.
I hope the 2011 checks out. I've owned a 2010 Boxster S for seven years now with no issues. The redesigned 9A1DFI engine (introduced in 2009) has proven to be highly reliable. However, not many 2009-2012 987.2 Boxster / Cayman were built, so they are just hard to find.
@@davedovala2700 Yes, I did pull the trigger. Unfortunately for me I'm a merchant mariner and won't be home to see it until September. My wife likes it though. Good to hear about your 987.2 having no issues, I already want to install a short shift kit and a valved exhaust and I haven't even driven it yet.
I've always loved the 928 due to the oddness of it. They used to be so cheap but the prices on any P cars(not suv) has just gotten insane. Love or hate the cayenne, it did save the company. Before I got my x5 I was cross shopping the cayenne. It came down to the name. People see Porsche and think your a stuck up rich dude.
Say what you want about the 924... but you don't have to worry about bore score, ism bearing. If it wasn't for the 924 you would not have the 911's of today
Few European cars are going to make you money and for that matter not many made anywhere will. Old trucks is really the only way you can almost always make money because the parts pricing is predictable and the demand is still high with low inventory. I do love BMW cars and yes they need lots of work but I have owned three that went over 300k miles without any MAJOR issues.
Not even two weeks has passed since I bought my 1999 Porsche 996 convertible and is already leaking from the driver's seat rear cylinder hydraulic fluid and soft top not working. Getting a local Porsche mechanic to look into it, since the dealership here wants to charge me an obscene! amount of money. This despite passing the pre - purchase inspection with 'flying colors'
I am a kid of the 80s.
Road & Track, Car & Driver would all say that the Porsche 944 turbo was the best handling sports car. You guys don't remember that?
Those magazines lie to kiss ass to manufacturers so they get to go to the 5 star hotels and drive their new cars and make content. Don't listen to them
Drive a 944s2, or a 968 and you will really enjoy the experience. Such a well balanced car and great fun on the track!!!
My much missed 944S2. 3 liters of such fun. I miss mine but now have a guide cane rather than a driving licence
Also, there's the M96 and M97 flat sixes (built from '97-'08) that can require a rebuild in one of four ways; IMS, d-chunk, cylinder head crack or bore scoring. Fine to buy those cars, just go in with a game plan and eyes wide open.
They aren’t all prone to those issues, an early 986 won’t have bore scoring and has a far superior imsb.
Porsches are more than just the 911. I love the transaxle cars especially the 944 and 928. Great 80s cars!
Thank you for the honest feedback. I bet many people don't know potential $$$$$ expenses when looking at used Porsches. A dealer/reputable mechanic full inspection seem to be worth gold prior to consider a purchase.
Now Nathan what do you really think?? I’m never quite sure what your opinion is…haha. Love your straight talk. Rare to find someone that tells it like it is. You’ve saved me from a lot of mistakes on beemers and Porsches. Thank you!
I don't know why the RUclips algorithm brought me to this video, but I watched the whole thing and I was entertained. 💁♀️
944 is odd? C'mon...that was Jake Ryan's car. It was a great car.
I have a 944 turbo, it is a very comfortable and roomy car. But I understand your point.
I love your comment about the curvy roads being a track day for free! Way to go…
I like my 986! It drives well, has not too much power for the street (drive a slow car fast!), and are reliable if you can find one with once the IMS bearing upgrade.
Nathan you’re not negative, you’re just real. In 2023 and in this market it is clear that the manufacturers want you to buy new every 100k. The trick is to control everything with your car and take care of it.
Have a 997.2. Got it with 52,000 miles, it now has 125,000 miles without any major issues. This year we got a Macan S with 50,000 miles on the clock, & I love it. I owned a 73 914, kept the car for 7 years, wish I still had it. Had a 2003 964 cab. those had a horrible reputation at the time. I had no problems and I sold for 5K more than I paid for it. Maybe I've been lucky or maybe I take care of the cars I love.
Enjoying my first Porsche, a 1987 924S. This is the best of the 924 line next to the 924 Turbo. It has some quirks, but still relatively easy to work on and maintain. Surprised the 914 didn't make your list.🤔
When I was a kid there were 944's all over the place in S. FL so one of those are on my bucket list at some point. I'm having fun with my Carrera 3.2 at the moment so it may be a while for the next project.
Yes , I remember growing up in Broward County and seeing those everywhere. My dream car as a kid.
Great info, glad to see the Cayman still there, I was worried. I have 2 - 987.1 and .2, both run great but still worried about bore scoring on the .1. Be safe on the back roads, deer still don't carry insurance.
Hey Nathan, recently found you’re channel and I’m really enjoying the content. Been watching a few videos of yours, and I must say I’m really impressed. I’m part of a big Porsche community in the US & UK and you seem to mention bore scoring a lot on your videos? The reason I bring this up is truly because you haven’t really shown any videos on a bore scored porsche on this channel and me and a lot of guys would love to see a great tutorial on how to prevent it , what it looks like , and how to fix it. There really isn’t any information on your channel or anywhere on RUclips regarding anyone building or showing a bore scored porsche engine in full term. I don’t know if this is something you would consider buying or doing so I could possibly share this or send the guys over to you’re channel. As your probably aware there is many people who would love to own a Porsche but are terrified of the bore score problem due to not much information or any videos relating to this issue and how to properly repair it. Most of us try to work on our own Porsches but bore score is something out of our depth and I believe a video about it would give us the confidence to tackle this issue and help a Porsche enthusiast community. We have all tried to search RUclips but there is literally nothing and nobody who has done a bore score repair they are all short 2 min videos showing a bore scored engine but nothing more or where they had it repaired , full breakdown of cost , showing the engine before and after. I think it may add good value for your channel going forward.
Anyway, hope you see this comment and hope to hear your thoughts on this
Ben
I liked ur BMW channel, they get such a bad wrap, I know, but u know as well as I do u keep maintenance up and ur good to go, I have 2 335i ‘s, coupe, and convertible I love them, never the less I still watch ur videos, lets make BMW great again.
Nathan answers just like how all Porsche purists would.
However the SUVs like Cayenne and Macan are the only reason why Porsche was able to survive and become a profitable company. That profit continues the R&D for the sports cars that the purists love.
This is what makes Porsche work:
- Majority of the customers will continue to buy the Cayenne and Macan and make Porsche thrive.
- Purists will continue to show the passion and love of the brand, even if it is just for the sports cars. There is also the hardcore purists which are 911 or nothing lol
Have my eye on a 83’ 944 I’ve passed by parked for two years. Had a BMW 2002 Tii in high school in the 80’s. Going to start my Porsche experience 50 years later for $1K haha
I want an air cooled 911 and the mid 70's Targas are a bit cheaper. I almost bought a 76 Targa last month but kept looking at the roof line and started to hate it so I passed. I just cannot get past paying $50k for an air cooled 911 coupe so I likely won't be getting one anytime soon.
I’ve owned 18 Porsches in my lifetime, 17 were air cooled, one water cooled then it bore scored and “ims'd”. Loved all 18 but one, done with liquid cooled Porsches
The Panamera is the rebirth of the 928 for those that want a big sport touring car, not for me though. I'll keep the Cayman which basically is a 911 with the engine rotated 180 degrees.
Agree with your opinion on Macans.
We bought a 2017 Macan Diesel S for my wife early 2022 for $80k NZD, 35k km on the clock. Now 53k km, it's worth probably $50k NZD at best.
Also have visited porsche specialist shop many times...
Problems:
1) replaced O2 sensor
2) replaced leak Ad-Blue line (line connects right on top of the turbo....plastic line...dumb design, and turbo sits at the back of the engine behind the firewall WTF)
3) many engine light issues that were just glitchy, same O2 sensor gives false alarm (or delayed alarm)
4) turbo light went on while on a scenic drive with the local Porsche Club, and no turbo. Luckily light went off after I restarted and never came on again...
I'm personally driving a Lexus NX200t now. I would still buy a Porsche, but only 911 or Cayman 997.2/987.2 only.
Great channel Nathan and I respect your opinion pretty highly since you wrench these cars. I'd like to think that I've done my homework before going into Porsche ownership. I'm currently awaiting feedback from a PPI inspection on a 45K mile 2011 Boxster S. After doing my homework I'm just more comfortable with the DFI engine versus the 987 generation one cars. My plan was to try to find the best example and most unique spec'd car that I could find in my price range. I'm nervous and excited at the same time, this will be my first "fun" sports car. I've got the garage space and will soon be retired so looking forward to doing my own basic maintenance on a car. I live in a rural area with lots of narrow, curvy and undulating country roads so "free track day" resonates with me. I just wish I had done this years ago. If you can afford it, do it, life is too short.
I hope the 2011 checks out. I've owned a 2010 Boxster S for seven years now with no issues. The redesigned 9A1DFI engine (introduced in 2009) has proven to be highly reliable. However, not many 2009-2012 987.2 Boxster / Cayman were built, so they are just hard to find.
@@davedovala2700 Yes, I did pull the trigger. Unfortunately for me I'm a merchant mariner and won't be home to see it until September. My wife likes it though. Good to hear about your 987.2 having no issues, I already want to install a short shift kit and a valved exhaust and I haven't even driven it yet.
928 only has Risky Business keeping it desirable.
Hating on all cabrio and targa cars? Coupe snobs are too much sometimes. Love my 996 cab. Nothing but smiles and miles. Great channel!
Yepp I’ve come to the same conclusion. 991.2 or newer is the only right choose from an economical perspective..
The Macan is basically a Q5 so being NEB platform it wouldn't make financial sense to deviate too much from the VW/Audi engines
I've always loved the 928 due to the oddness of it. They used to be so cheap but the prices on any P cars(not suv) has just gotten insane. Love or hate the cayenne, it did save the company. Before I got my x5 I was cross shopping the cayenne. It came down to the name. People see Porsche and think your a stuck up rich dude.
Nathan, you the man! Keep making more videos!
Love your honesty
Say what you want about the 924... but you don't have to worry about bore score, ism bearing. If it wasn't for the 924 you would not have the 911's of today
Few European cars are going to make you money and for that matter not many made anywhere will. Old trucks is really the only way you can almost always make money because the parts pricing is predictable and the demand is still high with low inventory. I do love BMW cars and yes they need lots of work but I have owned three that went over 300k miles without any MAJOR issues.
You mentioned Facebook marketplace, what about other places: Auto tempest, PCA classifieds, bring a trailer, eBay. Thoughts??
Not even two weeks has passed since I bought my 1999 Porsche 996 convertible and is already leaking from the driver's seat rear cylinder hydraulic fluid and soft top not working. Getting a local Porsche mechanic to look into it, since the dealership here wants to charge me an obscene! amount of money. This despite passing the pre - purchase inspection with 'flying colors'
I have a cayman s. 2008 love it. 928, 944 not for me either or the suv s. I like the panamara.
Truth teller.
944's are only good to LS V8 swap for a fun track car.
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
All the things you say about the 986 apply to your 987
Well, those are some hot takes anyway. 😅
Time for a 981
I love my cayman and boxster spyder. My wife has a macan and she loves that car. 2018 we bought new and still runs like new. No issues at all.
The suv models are just Volkswagen models with a few tweaks. They'll never offer one with a true Porsche powerplant
I'm looking at a 2004 986 50th anniversary Boxster. Your not going to find one of those for 3-7 grand. More like 25K.
You are entitled to your opinions, however I would say the market speaks for itself and it would disagree with many of your views.
996 turbo there money to be made
Great video!
Bad PORSCHE on the market because Americans do not how to maintaine and drive
For American 6-pack Joe ideal car is only Chevrolet 1930 only
You are wrong on so many levels.
I disagree with your Targa opinion.
The Audi 2.0T engine in the Macan ruined the car
I disagree with your 986 opinion.
Porsche doesn't make any bad cars.
As I’m watching the minutes left hoping not to see my 911 mentioned 🫢