Slog3 with an 8bit camera? My Sony ZV E10 Settings & Workflow
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- My S-log3 workflow and settings with Sony ZV-E10. Sorry for the delay, I was too busy to finish this video but here it is and I hope you will find it useful.
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Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
0:24 - Why Slog3?
1:22 - ETTR
2:50 - In-camera Settings
4:28 - Transforming to Rec709
5:44 - Outro
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My main camera and lens:
- Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6k amzn.to/3C8IXlq
- Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 amzn.to/3oljoIQ
My second camera and lenses:
- Sony ZV-E10 amzn.to/2YNJHyS
- Sigma 16mm f1.4 amzn.to/3wI5Yux
- Sigma 18-50mm f2.8 amzn.to/3om4tye
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Masterfully explained. Perfect pace. Thank you
I'm glad to hear that!
Thank you very much, because even though it's quite simple, it's great how good a result you get, which we saw in the previous video when you adjusted ZV E10 colors to be similar to bmpcc.
Nicely done, and a video on how to get it straight from the camera is also a great idea, and if you have time please record that as well.
I'm glad you like it :) I will add it on my list and make it in between projects, of course if I will see more interest I will try to do it faster :)
AMAZING!!!!! This is just what I needed, thank you
You're welcome!
love your explanations so thorough
I'm glad to hear that 🙏
You're outstanding! Hope to see more ZVe10 videos. 🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️
Thank you 🙏
This is amazing ! Thank you for this
You're welcome!
Man! been waiting for this for a long time! I own a ZV-E10 and a sigma 18-50 2.8, i love how you can make super profesional looking stuff with this "cheap" equipment, i would really love to see that tutorial but i would rather watch how you color grade, would love to get a cinematic look out of it. I use FCPX which i think is very limited to color grading but i will definitely move to DaVinci when i have the time. Thanks!
Nice to hear that, grading tutorials are on my list but I need to have more time and get more audience before I make my color grading video series. There is not much sense of doing this if not many people will watch it. I spend my free time on making those youtube videos so I want to make sure I spend it properly on most useful stuff.
THANKS DUDE, I HAVE FALL IN THIS TROUBLE FOR MANY WEEKS
You're welcome :)
I waited for this video for months
Sorry for the delay I had a lot of work :)
The +20 saturation tip is very helpful!
I'm glad to hear that 🙂
Very useful. Also interested in your straight camera settings. I often run and gun in my channel. Many times at night or mid day which are both tough to nail settings right at races.
I do appreciate how simple you made this workflow look. Something even I can do with my very quick editing process
I'm glad you like it, I'll try to do that video just need to know there's enough interest because those videos take some time to make and I have limited amount of free time 🙂
@@VilkanVisions +1 Also interested in straight camera settings. Great work.
When you make that "straight in camera" video, could you please make a comparison between that footage and slog 3? Your videos are very helpful, thank you, you got my sub!
@isinox I already did that video 🙂
Quality stuff
Thanks man!
Merci, super tuto !
I'm glad it's useful :)
@@VilkanVisions 👍
Brother u make such a nice and helpful content really bor, I have no words to say how is your work. But I’m so sad looking at your account reach 😔. Thank you much for this kind of videos 😊
Thanks man, I really appreciate that 🙏
very useful video brother
I'm happy to hear that!
I have a RUclips channel, I'm from Brazil, and I was impressed with your channel, the images, the editing, the explanations, they are very good, I'm going to buy the ZV E10, I want to learn how to improve my videos. Congratulations, another subscriber.
Thanks man I appreciate that, good luck with your videos 🙂
@@VilkanVisions thank you, I'm going to marathon your channel, to see if I learn.
Great one. Basically leeming lut doing the same as you recomend. Also your straight of camera looks great!
Thank you! I don't know anything about that luts, I'm not a fan of custom luts from the internet even for bacic conversion, I prefer to do a proper transformation to rec709 as camera designers intended and then I can play with my creative look. I also think it's not worth to pay for those luts when there are free tools that we can be sure are correct :)
Hey there, I'm from the FB group, cool video! I wished I've watched it a week ago, I will be recording a live performance on Saturday and it would have been very very useful. I will definitely try it after I am done with this project!
I'm glad to hear that it's useful, good luck with your projects 🙂
@@VilkanVisions I've tested your method and it's great, the only problem with it is noise! My a6500 at ISO 800 has a lot of it
@@dario-digiovanni it probably doesn't have more noise than standard profile on iso 100, it's just that shadows are more crushed on standard profile and higher on slog3. Make sure to overexpose slog3 enough, and you can always push shadows down without crushing blacks if it's too much noise for you :)
Perfect thank you 👌🔥🙏
you're welcome 🙂
Great video. I just bought a ZV-E10 to work as B cam to an A7IV. Can't wait to try out this technique.
You could do the video with the other method you found out. We'd appreciate it!
Thanks in advance.
Thank you, I will try to do that in between my other projects if there will be more interest :)
@@VilkanVisions Yep... very important to learn match 8 bit footage to 10 bit...
Thanks.
Goddamn, the value this video gave me is unimaginable. As a beginner in color space this helped me a lot. Thanks a bunch!
I'm happy to hear that!
This is awesome 😮..
Kindly also sharble the davinci software or not
Congratulations for the great job. After a while, I decided to take pictures with the mirror camera in the exposure unit and I was very relieved afterwards.
Even watching on youtube I couldn't quite see the banding but I saw the wrong color but even that wasn't bad.
Would you like to make a review video for bmpcc 6k? It would be really fun to watch.
It would be really nice if you could share the presets in Body with us. Thanks a lot again.
note: the way you look at and deal with things is truly unique. Do it for yourself.
Thank you I really appreciate that! If it comes to gear reviews I don't want to do them too much, but maybe I will make one long video about all my gear, I'll think over it, but that has to wait anyway. I have many unfinished projects that I need to edit now :)
@@VilkanVisions You're welcome. I have unfinished projects since 2012 :)
Times have changed a lot. A lot of things don't taste like they used to. I'm not sure if I'm getting old or the world has become such a ridiculous place.
Awesome vid. Just wondering if you ever tried Phantom LUTs (apparently they also convert footage from log to rec) and I ve seen some great results.
Thank you, I don't use luts from other people, it doesn't make sense for me 🙂
The best video about it! Greatest!! But i did some tests and... Still prefer the HLG3. No color banding in the shadows like the Log profiles does
thank you :)
great one! I can't wait for grading tutorial, will be nice :) Did you work with lumix s5 vlog footage? would be interesting to see your way to work with it :) Keep up good job bro :)
Thank you! Grading needs whole series of videos so I need to plan this properly :D I tried only S1H footage downloaded from internet so I don't have much experience with Panasonic cameras :)
Thank you, that's a useful video. Should I do white balance adjustments in post before the color space transform node or after?
I'm glad it's useful! It's better to apply corrections before CST :)
very goood
Thanks 🙏
Thank you! It’s very refreshing to see someone advocates for using Slog-3 on 8bit camera! I’m gonna try it with my ZV-E10! But before that just couple questions:
1. In Resolve project settings, which settings do you use for Color Science and Timeline Color Space in this workflow?
Mine currently are “DaVinci yRGB” and Rec.709 Gamma 2.4, and what are yours?
2. On zv-e10, if I set custom white balance with a decently accurate middle grey card, do I still need to bumb up the green, or it’s only applicable for AWB?
I'm glad to hear that!
1. It depens if I use CST then I use deafault settings like you mentioned, but recently I use more often Davinci Color Menagement, so with that settings instead using CST node I have to choose "input color space/sony..." on sony clips
2. For custom WB you probably don't have to, I didn't test too much how accurate it reads WB from gray card because I use AWB with this camera most of the time or I just set WB manually to my taste.
Plz make the out of camera settings video! Your slog3 is the best I’ve seen on the zve10. I’m going to get it soon so I would love a tutorial on out of camera settings for social media stuff
I'm glad you like it, I'll try to make that video as soon as I can 🙂
Hi! Thanks for creating! Did you make it? Thanks! I couldn't find it.@@VilkanVisions
@@fabianpetrescu yes I did: ruclips.net/video/H0pPzKaMI5g/видео.htmlsi=6ADC4dsyrMj6gksb
Fantastic video! BTW I am also coming from an A6000 to a ZV-E10 (moved for log)
Thank you! Nice to hear that, it's a nice improvement over a6000, 4k is also great, same as other practical features for video :)
nice
Thanks!
Thanks for this great tip! Any idea how I can change saturation before my CST when I'm working on a Color Managed timeline set to Davinci Intermediate?
You're welcome! Just try to put it in the beginnig of the node chain and you should be good :)
Hello. Thank you for explanations. I have a question - why when I put ISO to 500 then Exposure Comp. becomes not active and switched to +-0.0? Thanks
If you you set everything manually then you need to adjust exposure tools or lighting so the image is overexposed by 1.7-2 stops. Exposure compensation works only if you have at least one exposure tool (iso, aperture or shutter) on auto.
Thank you for a wonderful video. I need some advice if you don't mind. Can you help me with some ideas for settings on warm bright sunny days. I have zve10 with 16m f2.8 sigma lense. I own an n.d filter. Can I use slog3?.
Yes slog3 will be the best in sunny weather 🙂
I want to buy the ZV-E10, can you provide a link with ungraded 4k footage, to practice color grading?
Thank you very much for the videos, they are very well detailed and no fuss, great work!
Thank you! I might provide some footage but it would be shot in my workflow in slog3 etc. is that ok?
@@VilkanVisions Of course, I liked the result and would like to apply the same
nice video waiting for the noob version :)
Thanks, I will add it on my list :)
Good morning (From Barcelona Spain). First that all thanks for that video, i would like yo make a video of your color graded in Davinci Resolve, even you Color Space Transform for each Color Cammera Profile. Thank you and keeping up.
No problem, I plan to make a whole series of videos about color grading and I already have an idea for a first video but I need to finish some projects first so you have to wait for that for a while 🙂
@@VilkanVisions Thnak you brother.
very helpful thank you,. can i use this on my sony a6600?
Sure 🙂 you're welcome
I want to shoot a moody background with only one light which creates a beautiful gradient on the wall, and then there's another light on the talking head. would this lead to banding issue? (ofc after I increase the saturation, it'd suck if I buy the camera and it won't be able to capture the bg correctly)
I think it will depend on specific case, it's hard to guess, but I can tell you that If you upload dark gradients on RUclips then whatever camera you will use it will have banding issues 😅
Do you use these settings on low light or do you change it to hlg?
I never use hlg, I don't see the reason why would I do that, I always shoot slog3 🙂
What would be the difference if ITU709 matrix is used?
From quick tests I did the biggest difference was in reds they were oversaturated.
What about low light on slog3? I try it and the picture fall apart
@VilkanVisions did you try slog 3 with itu709 matrix, this I use for 99% of time
Yes I did, red's are not accurate with this profile
What is your usual saturation at
I set it to +20 🙂
Waiting for the noobs version :P
hehe sure, I can do that if there will be enough interest :)
PP off + DRO + Creative look custom settings will allow you to get a similar picture directly from the camera, with a wide dynamic range, without any difficulties. slog and extended color spaces are not justified on 8 bit cameras.
I have also a video about my straight out of the camera settings, make sure to check it out.
But I still prefer to use slog3, it's not hard at all, I would argue that it's easier to use and I get much better results with this PP. Everyone is repeating this 8bit S-log3 myth on RUclips but if you know what you're doing then it doesn't matter if you shoot with PP on 8bit camera or not.
What is those rounds circle on wall in thumbnail picture...why that thing happened
That's an exaggerated version of the 8bit banding.
@@VilkanVisions can you explain more
would those setting be close to a6600?
I didn't test it myself but it should be the same 🙂
@@VilkanVisions I will try and let you know ^^ thanks for this great tutorial !
@@VilkanVisions quick question, read that ITU709 is preferable with 8bit sony camera, but do you prefer sgamut3-cine for any technical reason ? and what is the difference with the non-cine one ?
@@lch7145 Short answer is more accurate colors 🙂
How do I know if i'm shooting at 8bit or 10bit?
Depends on your camera model, zv-e10 has only 8bit.
why your cst result is different?
Sorry I don't know what you're asking, different then what?
Which is this out of the camera profile for noobs? :)
All of them 😁
@@VilkanVisions ach, ok :D
Can you tell your settings?
Sure but what specific setting do you need?
@@VilkanVisions my zve10 colors look like it grains i don't know what to do, maybe pp or something else
It's all about nailing the exposure and white balance. Plus of course the most important thing is what is in front of the camera.
@@VilkanVisions i will try 🙌 thanks
So you sacrifice dynamic range in camera by setting a high saturation. Then you sacrifice dynamic range in post by underexposing the result. What was the advantage of S-Log?
Dynamic Range is connected mainly with luma not saturation and I don't underexpose it in post because it was overesposed when shooting so I just bring it to normal level. Log curve is squished a lot so it captures much more DR even when you overexpose by 2 stops.