Why Fernando Alonso's Driving Style Is Too Much For The AMR24
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2024
- Why Fernando Alonso's Driving Style Isn't Working
Fernando Alonso and Aston Martin have been on a bad run after really big upgrades to the car. Fernando has had a bad streak of 3 races and has said this is a major wake up call for Aston Martin and he needs to drive better. Alonso loves understeer, but is one of the most adaptable drivers on the grid. Will Aston Martin and Fernando Alonso turn it around soon?
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I think its more of an Aston Martin problem more than a Fernando problem. The car clearly isnt as fast as last years car
100% I say exactly that my friend, with a little bit of Fernando over pushing as he says
Last year's car had Vettel's development input now this AMR 24 has Alonso? if so he's not a good development driver or maybe they prefer to develop a car that suits Stroll's driving style.
@@kevinmugi8811F1 cars aren't developed to suit an specific driver,(that is a myth from the 80s) they are made to be as fast as possible. It's the drivers job to adapt to them. Alonso has allways been very good at adapting to new car specs, he'll make this tractor work eventually.
*Astroll Martin
Yeah, I think they always start losing pace throughout the year as they don’t upgrade as well as other teams, look at McLaren, especially 2023, where they went from a back of the pack team to a top tier team as upgrades came out
Alonso been in f1 longer than I been alive
Me too my friend
Count yourself lucky to be able to tell your grandchildren about him.
Same.
Alonso has the quality to make any car work. Lets not forget Alonso qualified 3rd in China just 3 races ago. The car is just not fast enough and struggles with balance. Even in Imola, Alonso before the crash, Alonso was matching Stroll's Qualy Simulation lap despite being on 7 lap old Hard tyres.
Lets not forget that was a sprint race !
@@19megamustaine85 He also qualified P3 for the Main race, Doofus.
@@TheAYM91 and he had the best start of the season in china and smoked perez
I was the most excited in F1 back in 04 and 05 when Alonso was driving for Renault. The challenge he put to Schumacher was amazing. I'd love to see a repeat from Alonso again.
Maybe the 2026 Aston
Isn’t 2005 Fernando vs Kimi? Michael’s Ferrari was nowhere in 2005. In 2006, it was Fernando vs Michael.
What I love about Fernando is his ability to adapt to almost any challenge the car presents in the moment but still retain the extra mental capacity to read what’s happening around him.
Absolute legend.
Agreed a true driver
I hope to one day watch him secure the Triple Crown. Nobody deserves it more than Fernando.
I think he gets it ❤️
Max maybe?
@@dane458 I recall max making a comment about not being interested in oval racing.
I don’t believe this is a “Father Time” issue at all. This looks bad because he was able to out drive the machine last season and that’s not possible anymore with the grid so tight.
I agree it’s more of an Aston Martin problem rather then Fernando
Alonso could easily be the first ever 9 or 10 titles world champion if he made the correct choices, unfortunately, he drove bad cars, but that just show us that he's one of the best a drivers of all time. Better than Vettel, easily.
Agreed
I never thought I'd see Alonso's name in this kind of video
Felt weird to make like this but it’s also a general Alonso driving style video
Same
Pre upgrades, the car was at least quick in Quali - Alonso got P3 in China. Had AM brought a car with that kind of characteristics in Monaco, they could have got a podium as tyre wear doesn’t matter there. I don’t understand AM with their upgrades and development, despite Merc being involved in this as well. Aston should not upgraded the car at all until their is physical proof that the car is getting faster
Fernando's driving style affects why he is performing quite under his level these past few GP's but also since he feels uncomfortable with the car he cannot really push the limits of that car like he did in japan, china, etc... leading to more mistakes.
I think Alonso is understanding the car with Imola and Monaco upgrades, let's see in Canada. He is the samurai he will fight back ❤
Absolutely he will
I think (and it may be a coincidence here), but the 2 cars sharing the same wind tunnel (Mercedes and Aston), are both having correlation issues between sim driving and data, and what the actual car is doing on track. Now I may be simplifying things here, but there has got to be something in it. The sooner AMR's own wind tunnel comes online, the better.
Absolutely
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The way Fernando used to just snap the steering wheel when he started to turn was so awesome.
His onboard in Hungary in the wet was amazing back in those days. He just snaps the tyres in place and waits for the grip to come to him.
Truly an art
I hope he does improve in Canada. Thanks for updating us on specifics on what exactly Alonso is struggling with btw 😄
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I think Lawrence is paying him to drive poorly to make Lance look good.
Holy cope
Or they're trying to develop towards lance's driving style
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The Pirelli tires have been detrimental. I want to see these drivers push the whole race. I know pirelli can make great tires but we need compounds that allow the drivers to push
They can’t even push over a full qualy lap these days let alone the race. F1 is more about who can be the most scientific driver with their tyres these days. Outright pace doesn’t come into it as much
Gotta say, M. Schumacher has its contribution in turning Fernando into the beast that is today. When it comes to competitive spirit, there's no one better than him on the current track.
Absolutely
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The major problem is due to the Mercedes rear suspension, Mercedes admitted that there is a major flaw in the performance of the suspension,
I think Mercedes are coping better than Aston Martin with this issue since they understand the suspension more so they know how to setup the car in a better shape. It's weird how Mercedes haven't figured out how to make a good suspension in the past 3 years.
Yeah it's critical that Aston stop sharing parts with Mercedes
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been waiting for this video for a long while!!! it's not a matter of if alonso will adapt to the car, it's always when. the merc rear suspension has clearly been a problem with Merc, AM and Williams all being more difficult to drive and get into the right window this year. can only hope aston gets their correlation issues sorted asap.
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Fernando Alonso has been kicking ass with every car he’s had…. It’s definitely an Aston Martin problem.
Agreed
Those Renaults with the michelins have nothing to do with fernando's style. Watch Trulli and fisi. Same thing. Need a brutal turn in to get the temperatures up.
Also those Renault were famous for its heavily rearward weight based distribution, helped the car have the most devastating starts of the mid 2000s
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In imola, during the race, I feel like his rears were firing up too much, losing more grip and oversteering a lot. It was almost hurtful to watch
Being in dirty air for the race and overall lack of balance for quali was very tough to watch
45k!!!! 🙂I keep thinking about the comment Fernando made about Lance's feedback for dev. I worry that the car is leaning more towards Lance's style. Surely if Aston have any sense they will tune the car for Fernando's style? I hope that's not the case and they'll sort it out soon.
Very true my friend
I think you are right because if they can't manage to built a car for Lance to improve than the sponsor will want him gone. So they are building the car around Lance driving style and im pretty sure it's why this is happening.
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We want smaller cars that are more agile. No idea why it changed.
110% Would be much better
@@F1Unchained I guess these big cars are just an inchident
Safety. Larger crumple zones and stronger components add weight.
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Ive followed on and off a lot but in 2018 is when I got a lot more into the sport
Why are drivers in 2024 picking oversteer over understeer?
Rotation with these heavy cars
Because anyway oversteer is easier to live with than understeer for most drivers. Fernando is rare in his preference for understeer.
understeer is safer, oversteer is faster
@@alexveldhuis6004Understeer is actually easier to drive but Oversteer is faster so younger drivers choose it
Probably because it’s easier to find the limit with a pointy front end
Alonso is clearly over-driving to make up the pace of a terrible car, which is why he makes mistakes now. Stroll doing as usual doesn't make (that many) mistakes
It's not like Stroll is faster in race than Fernando all of a sudden
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0:28 "i rate Fernando Elanzo to the highest degree". Now i wonder how would you rate Fernando Alonso
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Aston’s problem is they is gather relevant data from 1 driver
I really don’t buy into this most adaptable narrative. Alonsos had a gaping flaw his whole career with his extremely abrupt steering input. It’s why in a lot of cars he’s driven he’s often left 2/3 tenths on the table in qualy and on low fuel at the end of the race. His ceiling was never as high as Verstappen/Hamilton/Schumacher. Fully agree about his IQ wheel to wheel though that’s by far his best strength
I agree Fernando I love that dude as a driver. A true racer. He can drive anything
Absolutely
I just find it interesting how when Stroll's bad driving starts becoming the main talking point in F1, Fernando starting having all these car troubles.
He was driving fantastic a couple races ago.
Imo these cars are too easy to drive, we need lighter and smaller cars so we can see driver talent make a difference again, it can't be coincidence that Lewis, Daniel and Fernando are all struggling in these regulation set. They just don't look like themselves....
100%! There to easy to use in high speed corners
How is it easy to drive when lewis and fernando are struggling lol. This makes 0 sense. Truth is, the newer kids are far more adaptable than the old guys since they have much more experience in the sims. Max, lando etc drive many different cars in sims so they are able to quickly adapt to different machinery.
@@askeladden450 Watch any onboard from the late 2000's, the cars were super twitchy and unstable, the best drivers would thrive because it takes more skill. Current cars are way more stable, its indeed easier
@@andreadg5429so then why would we go backwards the point of formula 1 is to improve cars not make the more twitchy and unstable again
@@andreadg5429 It still doesn't justify why the 'best' drivers are 'struggling'. If the car is easier to drive now, why are those drivers not still performing. They should at the very least be on an even field with others, not struggling
It's interesting that with this iteration of cars the more they are being developed more to have oversteer as that is seemingly the fastest way. I think I'm right in that LeClerc, Norris, Max and probably Russell all have that style of driving I don't know about Yuki I probably missed that video 😂
I agree on every point! Would be interesting to see Fernando vs. Max in an oversteery car, which f.ex. Max and Leclerc seem to be really comfortable with. Could he adapt or would he be another Perez?
I for sure think it would look different, but it he could beat Verstappen in the same var filosofi... I'm not so sure. Maybe after at least one year of adjustment.
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Thank you for footage od Stroll 😅
I think you missed one important part when he won the WDC in the Renault.
The tires then were indestructible. He would heat up the tires understeering into the corner. On exit, the ultra stable rear of that car, and now he had a lot of front end grip, he could accelerate like no other out of the corner.
Perhaps Alonso's weak area is how to manage tires. Given the ultra sensitive Pirelli tires to temperature, high or low, this is something he is less capable than the young drivers who had to adopt and learn this at an early age.
cars were also about 250kg lighter ! tyres could support better some harsher driving.
Last year tire wear wasn't much of a problem, as the Aston Martin was usually quite fast on race day. However, it seems Alonso does lose more time than other drivers while managing the tires.
The snap of oversteer in China was purely due to touching the gravel on exit.
Alonso must hate pretty much every modern road car.
They all have dead steering, particularly if they have electric assist.
It's the top video and top content, but the title is wrong (probably intentionally to create clickbait). Summa summarum: It's not his driving style; it's the "downgrades" Aston introduced a few races ago. Also, I have a general feeling that both in Imola and Monaco, he wasn't on top of his game. He destroyed his car in FP3 in Imola, got on the back foot, made a couple of mistakes in the Q, damaged the floor, and ended at the end. In Monaco, he simply lost due to the traffic.
I’m sure that these ‘odd’ suspension geometries are causing problems, with extreme anti-dive and anti-squat causing a lack of feel and predictability if the dynamic roll centre is shifting around…
Conspiracy theory: with mounting pressure from sponsors on papa stroll over lance being dog shit Sr. puts a secret clause in Fernando’s new number contract that he will drive shit for a stretch of races to make Lance look passable allowing him to undeservedly continue in F1 for another season.
I really hope that isn’t true
Fernandos defense against Schumacher in Istanbul was epic.
Why can’t Aston Martin build/set up the car properly for him? He’s just signed a new contract. Do they want him to win or not?
Fernando is facing chicken and egg problem if he setup understeery car then the tyre wear out will be more which hampers his race (we saw that in china) and to preserve tyre it is needed to setup oversteery car which is opposite his racing style (compromise speed while entering a corner to get better exit which is opposite to max). The new generation cars are more oversteery and new drivers is able to perform bcoz they started their carrer in these cars.
Only solution for fernando to change his extrem understeery driving style to balanced driving style ( balance between understeer and oversteer like lewis) that will also suits lance and aston can perform better again.
This is definitely part of it
He cut the chicken. It's a yolk, the 5 seconds
Do the teams intentionally make a car that oversteers or understeers? Like when they’re developing the car, do they intentionally dial in one of those attributes? Cuz if it isn’t intentional, how does it Happen
Sometimes cars drive better in one preference over the other. The Ferrari sf23 was much better with UnderSteer and that’s why Charles didn’t like it till Japan. While the Red Bull is driven faster with oversteer. Obviously all teams want a balanced car but drivers try to make it more towards there preference by add more or less nose
Good analysis. thanks
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ffs its only 2 races, he will be in top 5 in Canada and every1 will forget about Imola and Monte Carlo.
So what about the issue of coherence with the Mercedes wind tunnel? Both teams using this tunnel have issues w underperforming upgrades 🤔
I have a lot of respect for Alonso, he is the best driver. I have less confidence in the car. I think a lot of adjustments still need to be made if they want to get back to the top. And I wish them the best.
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Aston Martin is the BEST team currently on the grid, in my honest opinion. Just how good is Aston Martin Racing? They are so confident that week after week, race after race, they only have one car in the race, while Ferrari have 2 cars, Charles and Carlos, Red Bull Max and Checo, LH and George for Mercedes, Oscar and Norris with McLaren, AMR only entered Alonso for the races and used Stroll as a test car in the back of the grid away from dirty air.
For all Alonso’s greatness, there has never been a team he stayed with for a longer time period that developed a faster car while he was there. In fact the opposite. The longer he stays the worse the car gets. Only exception is arguably Renault. But then he likely had relatively the least amount of influence and clout to determine the development direction of the team, because he wasn’t the made man yet that he became later on. Personally I feel he tries to develop the car towards more understeer, resulting in not fast enough cars that he then drags to positions they have no business being in (but not enough to win) while his teammates can’t deal with those cars at all. So he beats all his teammates…but he and his teams don’t win the championship. To make the most out of him teams should probably not let him have an overwhelming say in the development direction of the car (so either hire a top tier designer who does his own thing and/or an accomplished teammate with a nack for car development).
Stoll all of the suden being faster than Fernando makes my conspiracy theories go wild...
Yeah it’s definitely something
Its arguably more of his fault rather than the car, since you always have to push no matter the situation. But remember, a month ago, he put up an impressive Chinese gp, so it may just be temporary
I think he’s just trying to extract more out of a car that doesn’t have it.
Aston Martin has definitely got a serious setup and pace issue. Alonso is just on a different level than the whole team
Alonso is amazing. It's always a problem with the car tbh, he always gives it 100%
Brilliant analysis.
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obviously he's human and can have struggles,but i have a feeling its more of an inner team struggle than anything else,they maybe want him to look worse than stroll on purpose
Surprised about his own comments regarding how he feels the front tyres at the steering wheel. All other F1 drivers I read or heard about in the last 15 years at least, say that you get little to none feeling from the steering, and it's more about seat of the pants than anything else. Maybe he's just too old school for the modern crop and that's why he retains such skill.
So so strange watching Alonso, who for the longest time has seemingly been able to drive around every single problem a car of his has had, actually truly struggling. 2024 has been a big surprise in sooo many ways so far 😅
The problem is Fernando? No😢💔
I would argue it’s more of the car but also Alonso over driving
It's just a couple of races due to bad luck and some rare bad driving from Alonso, may be overdriving due to the car being shit. I will be more concerned about Aston perpetually bringing upgrades that take the car backwards
Lonso needs that Car Performance and we get better racing
No, Fernando adapts driveability in each car. Cant compare Renault v10 with Ferrari v8 with Honda v6 in Mclaren. The problem is the car,chassis and geometry in AMR24
He uses sideslip bro as do most pro racers to a certain degree. Sideslip is exactly how you describe it controlled oversteer all you need to do is make it predictable then it doesn’t matter if your under or oversteery👍Alonso is my GOAT for reasons u mention he can drive terrible cars no one else seems to be able to🔥
I wouldn't say Lewis and Alonso are similar. Alonso is likely the most adaptable along with Max. However their styles are very different. Max uses a shallow line, has an earlier turn in, extends the straights. His corners are shorter. Lewis requires a strong rear end, is very late on the breaks, takes the geometric line. Alonso is closer to the Geometric line but has far more aggressive turn in.
His turn in is definitely more aggressive but both drive similarly. I think he’s more adaptable but If it was any driver I could choose that drives similar to him it would be Lewis
alonso is nowhere near adaptive lmfao. He got beaten by ocon ffs
alonso needs weak teammtes to make him look good
@@sadikurrahman4833Alright. Let's get you to bed.
@@pranavps851Alonso is adaptable but that is overstated.
@@pranavps851 just like stroll put alonso to bed since Miami...
I guess it’s true father time is undefeated 😕 but he still better than some other drivers in the grid.
He’s still a unstoppable driver but in a bad funk right now
@@F1Unchained He will bounce back he is my idol After all 🙂
Nothing make him bad , he's 44 years old ,I am 110% sure no one can drive like him at same age
Fernando signs multi-year deal with AM ... Fernando lets AM current Owner's son win a few weekends ... seems pretty cause and effect to me. I would expect him to come back "suddenly" when the AM real owners (Honda & Aramco) put a little pressure on, especially once we cross the season halfway mark to get ready for 2025 when Lance won't be there and they are trying to be suitors for talent that will want to see what the car can do. You ain't getting big talent if you're at the back of the grid no matter how big your wind tunnel is. Results attract talent, talent makes results and so it goes around
That car, with the mass damper lets not forget, blitzed the field. Lapping everybody, on every race.
Have that as Nondos 'handling baseline', as you say, forgets the unbelievable cheat that it was.
Great video. I love Alonso
I like how everyones so nice with Alonso falling off, but incredibly angry with Lewis.
The midfield is tight..clearly they need changes...look at mcl and Ferrari they are gunning for it...checo is not playing a good second fiddle..are they going to bring something for canada ? ...they need changes
They do have parts coming to Canada!
I think that Fernando is fed up with the car, Aston brought so many updates but lost 3-4 tenths instead of gaining speed. He also just resigned with them and is probably regretting it. Mclaren doing well now is making him hate his life as well.
I don’t think he regrets it but wants to find more pace
@F1Unchained he would have been fighting for the title next year and this one. Probably looks at Hamiltons team choices and wonders how he got so unlucky
I hate the way these ground effects cars drive.
New regulations can’t come soon enough
I am really praying Alonso gets his 3rd title. It's a moonshot but he deserves it so much more. Really hope he goes to Mercedes or Red Bull. Or even McLaren if Lando moves. His race IQ is unparalleled.
Has driven oversteer cars, super understory cars, and cars that do both at the worst times (I’m looking at you 2014 Ferrari)
When cars from almost twenty years ago looked better and more modern than modern pachyderms...
I genuinely think Alonso would love some IndyCar. Perhaps not an oval this time lol
Hope to Fernado in hypercars again!
Fernando only does bad after lance has incidents. Gotta keep the team morale high.
Alonso is an all-time great. He just needs an Adrian Newey to replace the joke team in designing the car. Regrettably, we have seen the designers at Aston develop the car backwards too many times. It's a pattern. Stop developing the car backwards. Throw away your simulator data and your wind tunnel and CFD data and the entire design team if needed. Get Newey.