(15)LoK: Defiance - Raziel finds Vorador

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  • Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
  • Raziel makes his way into Vorador's chamber and meets him once again.

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  • @leonvilagos3802
    @leonvilagos3802 5 лет назад +102

    Raziel: You forged the reaver I have seen the evidence
    Vorador: Well yes but actually no
    *a minute later*
    Raziel: So Janos is here?
    Vorador: Well yes but actually no

  • @freedomphantom770
    @freedomphantom770 6 лет назад +107

    Raziel, you got to stop making openings for the vampire hunters.

    • @Rahab111222
      @Rahab111222 6 лет назад +38

      He also made an opening for Vorador to get inside the Sarafan Stronghold. Raziel is the opening master.

    • @maniestranger4329
      @maniestranger4329 6 лет назад +1

      Great Helm 😁

    • @Zeithri
      @Zeithri 6 лет назад +12

      Jill Valentine was probably taught by Raziel, the true master of unlocking!

    • @fist-of-doom487
      @fist-of-doom487 3 года назад +3

      Worlds most violent key

    • @mkn.567
      @mkn.567 3 года назад +8

      @@Rahab111222 Kain did say that "the reaver was the key" lol

  • @ureshiiiiii
    @ureshiiiiii 5 лет назад +29

    1:44 I somehow never noticed Raziel's brow wiggle...
    Had me in stitches.

    • @wareforcoin5780
      @wareforcoin5780 3 года назад +1

      What emotion is that supposed to represent?

    • @jessl1934
      @jessl1934 2 года назад

      @@wareforcoin5780 Trantiveness

    • @followingtheroe1952
      @followingtheroe1952 Год назад

      @@wareforcoin5780 "This motherfucker goin off about prophecies again in the middle of our conversation, I guess we are doing this now"

  • @DanTheManCalter
    @DanTheManCalter 12 лет назад +37

    After watching this, I realize it'd kinda suck to be a vampire... You'd never be able to properly cross your arms...

  • @ArcaneAzmadi
    @ArcaneAzmadi 3 года назад +21

    Vorador was such a great character- a monstrously powerful but beaten-down and recalcitrant noble demon. He, along with Kain the Byronic antihero, Raziel the vengeful but idealistic renegade, and Moebius the devious master manipulator, was the masterfully well-written foursome who made this story such a multilayered Shakespearean masterpice.

    • @jeanlundi2141
      @jeanlundi2141 Год назад +1

      Why must everything good be compared to Shakespeare? Shakespeare sucks.

    • @rodrigosalvez250
      @rodrigosalvez250 5 месяцев назад

      Thats the writer inspiration ​@@jeanlundi2141

  • @Crimsonknight111
    @Crimsonknight111 3 года назад +10

    The key phrase:“If it is meant to be found.”

  • @Rahhelthethird
    @Rahhelthethird 3 года назад +9

    I like how the door opens by itself yet Raziel pretends like he's the one pushing it to the side.

  • @righteousone8454
    @righteousone8454 Год назад +2

    Soul Reaver 2 and Defiance had majestic atmosphere, including the musical score that grabbed your attention

  • @ZamierNarkiss
    @ZamierNarkiss 17 лет назад +23

    man, Vorador's sword looks freakin awesome I wish I had it.

  • @deeman124
    @deeman124 15 лет назад +53

    Here's something I noticed: Vorador's Masion is riddled with images of a 'specific female' ancient. Janos (in SR2) said that Vorador "had suffered much" and couldn't forgive humanity. I've been wondering (I am open to feedback here): Did Vorador have a romantic link with this Ancient female when he was turned? And was her death the cause for his contempt for humanity?

    • @Rahab111222
      @Rahab111222 6 лет назад +27

      Vorador had a lot of brides, but it seemed he had favorites. He also favored Umah, but more like a daughter.

    • @nelsonmerk4172
      @nelsonmerk4172 4 года назад

      What if it was Ariel,the specter bound to the pillars of Nozgoth

    • @UltimateAnimeGamer
      @UltimateAnimeGamer 4 года назад +15

      @@nelsonmerk4172 no Ariel was Nupraptor's lover. Plus Vorador attacked the Circle like 500 years before the events of Blood Omen 1, while Ariel died 30 years before.

    • @JMObyx
      @JMObyx Год назад

      Well, it IS a cycle of death and REbirth,@@UltimateAnimeGamer , perhaps this was a previous life of Ariel?

  • @MCguy52
    @MCguy52 14 лет назад +20

    Yes it is implied he was ressurected and in BO2 near the end Kain asks him "do you so wish to return to the grave old friend?" thats proof enough for me.

    • @GmodPlusWoW
      @GmodPlusWoW 8 лет назад +9

      Aye. Some time between the Blood Omen of the newer timeline, and Blood Omen 2, Kain was able to resurrect Vorador. And together, they managed to spread the curse to raise yet more vampires, eventually resulting in an army that swept across Nosgoth, only to be stopped by the newly-reformed Sarafan Brotherhood and the Hylden Lord.
      After Blood Omen 2 however, who can say? Perhaps Vorador no longer had a place in Kain's empire? Perhaps, long before Kain raised his lieutenants, Vorador was betrayed by his former ally and cast into the Lake of the Dead? Being that we know so little of the new timeline beyond Blood Omen 2 and Defiance, anything could have happened. And unless Squenix pulls its finger out and decides to bring the series back PROPERLY, we will never know.

    • @rueceless7580
      @rueceless7580 3 года назад +3

      @@GmodPlusWoW I think Vorador's ultimate fate post Blood Omen 2 can be easily explained by Umah's death at kain's hand. She was his favorite and Its not hard to imagine that her death plus Janos' disappearing during the final battle may have been what caused Vorador to turn on Kain. Its also possible he didn't survive the injuries from the Sarafan Lord.
      Sadly I doubt we'll get an answer now.

  • @geeklord1
    @geeklord1 17 лет назад +5

    I love how all the elemental symbols are underneath the pillars in soul reaver 2.

  • @SyberiusRex
    @SyberiusRex 12 лет назад +6

    I agree to that! I dont care if it has the same story line, but the best thing is, if cool new graphics meets with its already cool voice acting.. you'll forget the hitman series even existed!!

  • @HomannisonPhilkParty
    @HomannisonPhilkParty 4 месяца назад

    Vorador an awesome specimen.

  • @peterh2828
    @peterh2828 3 года назад +6

    This is messed up , 30 years before this Vorador stops Raziel coming out of Dark Reaver Tomb. Couldn't he just tell him, that Janos corpse is at his mansion and is missing its heart?
    If Raziel kills Kain during meeting at Sarafan stronghold as intended, he would use the heart to raise Janos, and then what? The pillars would be unbroken, so no Hylden possession wouldn't happen. But also young Kain couldn't be raised as vampire.

    • @NA1c158
      @NA1c158 2 года назад

      No, just no. Thats not how this works. Thats not how any of this works. By killing vampires and killing guardians or even just corrupting them, the hylden get more and more power. And the hylden can traverse through time to posses for limited amounts of times. Any every time kain refuses the sacrifice, the pillars get weaker and weaker. There is no way to heal the pillars from the corruption with our the true spirit reaver which was the vampire last weapon they built specifically to restore not only the pillars but also the scion of balance. Ever since ariels murder, the pillars are doomed to eventually fall, and not just get corrupted, but complete become undone and the portal to the demon world will open. Without the spirit reaver, and a healed scion of balance,, the hylden would win every time no matter what they do.

    • @DarkEinherjar
      @DarkEinherjar 2 года назад +2

      At that time, Vorador knew nothing about Raziel, except that he emerged from the Sarafan Stronghold and was present at the Pillars at the moment of their corruption, so he had no real reason to trust him and give him that information. Likewise, Raziel had no idea Vorador was the one who forged the Reaver, so he had no reason to ask him back then.
      If Vorador had told Raziel about Janos and the heart during their first encounter, it would've made no sense to go after Kain, because neither of them knew the heart was inside him at that time. If anything, it would've led Raziel to the Avernus Cathedral instead.
      But let's assume Raziel still goes and kills Kain anyway, because reasons and because it's what was supposed to happen in the second timeline anyway. He'd still have no idea Kain had the heart, so Raziel would've probably resumed his journey in Soul Reaver 2 as usual, all the way to the point where he was supposed to enter the Reaver, and his story would simply end there. Janos's resurrection never takes place until the third time paradox introduced at the end of SR2, which would've never happened because the second time paradox, introduced by Raziel sparing Kain at the stronghold, also didn't happen.

    • @neonnemesis3267
      @neonnemesis3267 4 месяца назад

      I know this is 2 year old comment but here goes.
      Vorador told Raziel the first time they meet that he didn't trusted him and he showed that he was one of the few that was aware that Raziel was both champions that made him even more cautious of Raziel
      In here Raziel seems more willing to play in the Vampires side while also wanting answers from Janos, plus unlike 30 years ago, this time Vorador is the last vampire (aside from Kain) and when Moebius army finds him no one will try to revive Janos so this is also a last ditch play.
      If Raziel killed Kain in the stronghold he would kill future Kain, not the present one that was still a baby, the future pillars were already shattered, the current ones were already tainted as shown before when Future Kain explains that as he was born Nupraptor infected the circle with his madness including the newborn Kain.
      Also Raziel had no way to know that Kain had the heart of Darkness. Mortanius was the one that told him and he simply wouldn't give him that information when he had yet to create the Vampire Kain which he only does 30 years later, since present Kain was still a baby (he wasn't aware that there was a Kain from the future walking around that time).
      If somehow that scenario played out for some reason, Janos would very likely realize something was up with the (physical) Soul Reaver and that Raziel needed the Blood Reaver so he would need to go to the past through Moebius timestream devices that Moebius would make sure to send Raziel into the Sarafan time while Janos to the end of Blood Omen time so you can imagine how things will play out.
      Janos gets possessed by the Hildren, Raziel resumes his SR2 journey meeting past Janos, his Sarafan self and ends trapped in the Reaver without Kain to save him.

  • @Gojiro7
    @Gojiro7 Год назад +4

    I think in this entire series, Janos is the only character to treat Raziel with any kindness without intention of betraying him, Even Shakespeare knew to lighten up the mood with more then character who weren't constant jerks XD

  • @SoulRippster
    @SoulRippster 14 лет назад +8

    @lukecpapa Vorador didn't ressurect... BO2 plays in an altered timeline, the timeline was changed at the end of SR2, and then Kain gasped and spoke about the Hylden.
    So in BO2, it is possible that Vorador wasn't ressurected, but infact was never dead and that Moebius crusade to eliminate all vampires didn't go so well.

  • @richardsorgo8600
    @richardsorgo8600 Год назад +1

    I wonder if Janos's soul was left wondering around nearby (much like Duma was with his impaled corpse).

    • @alphax4785
      @alphax4785 7 месяцев назад +1

      Unlike Dumah, Janos wasn't technically dead and when Raziel revived him he seemed to have no memories from the time in between, so I'd guess his soul was as comatose as the rest of him.

  • @Yokyle4356
    @Yokyle4356 4 года назад +2

    Here's something that never made sense to me and maybe a plot hole but Ariel don't seem to remember him I'm guessing because when they Shuffle time about two times last game show is shuffled their memories around changing things so that makes sense if Ariel doesn't remember him or meeting him for the first time but vardour seems to remember him just perfectly

    • @Joudas
      @Joudas  4 года назад +1

      Janos knew who he was despite having never met him, because of the prophesies... Vorador might have "known" him in the same manner. Alternately, time might have adjusted itself differently for different people... Vorador had a lot more meaningful interactions with him than Ariel did, so it'd be a lot easier for Ariel to forget about him.

  • @BigUriel
    @BigUriel 3 года назад +4

    Why does everyone always teleport away after talking to Raziel? I mean Vorador is in his own house where did he go?

  • @Left4eggs
    @Left4eggs 15 лет назад +1

    Actually, it takes place around the same time. Defiance ends shortly after Kain in Blood Omen refuses to sacrifice himself. What I'm wondering is if Vorador can be revived in the same way Janos was. That would explain how he appeared in Blood Omen 2, even though he was executed in Blood omen.

  • @dogmangrasshopperman5592
    @dogmangrasshopperman5592 4 года назад +1

    Kain had it in his body.

  • @B3351
    @B3351 16 лет назад

    Good question!

  • @Darkinu2
    @Darkinu2 13 лет назад +2

    @DasFunkwagen Vampires can't have kids so no Vamp bubbas XD

  • @Thomaspwgy
    @Thomaspwgy 16 лет назад

    Can someone tell me.........is Raziel in the time Vorador talked with Kain in Blood Omen 1.....when he tells them the vampires are gods??????????? pls tell me

  • @Left4eggs
    @Left4eggs 15 лет назад

    Janos is revived by returning his heart. I wonder if Vorador was resurrected the same way, by having his head returned to his body. If that were the case, the only remaining question surrounding Vorador's mysterious resurrection would be "who"?

  • @jakespnl463
    @jakespnl463 14 лет назад +4

    i think your right because in blood omen when kain visits vorador next to him there is a face of a female

  • @fedykin87
    @fedykin87 15 лет назад

    it was revealed in Blood Omen 2 that Kain resurrected him only the means and the 'when' are unknown

  • @BrandonBarbera
    @BrandonBarbera 3 года назад +2

    But why not destroy the heart, why keep it hidden???

    • @SamuelBlack84
      @SamuelBlack84 3 года назад

      It was keeping all vampires alive

    • @maybeimrambling9401
      @maybeimrambling9401 2 года назад

      @@SamuelBlack84 more reason to destroy it

    • @SamuelBlack84
      @SamuelBlack84 2 года назад

      @@maybeimrambling9401 That would have annihilated Nosgoth

    • @maybeimrambling9401
      @maybeimrambling9401 2 года назад

      the sarafan wouldn't know that

    • @Teixas666
      @Teixas666 Год назад

      they might have tried to, but wasbnt possible.
      plus the circle of nine were all sorcerers they might have seen inherent value in keepingthis vampire relic around.

  • @lukecpapa
    @lukecpapa 15 лет назад

    Oh... I didn't play Blodd Omen 1 (but I just bought it !!!!!!!!!!!) but if you're right it's an excellent question... So I will play again to Blood Omen 2, play the 1 and see myself. But I think Vorador can't be resurrected like that..it would be strange and too much..... Janos and Kain are heroes (an ancient and a chosen), Vorador is just a common Vampire. And I think a heart and a head are a little different :)

  • @DasFunkwagen
    @DasFunkwagen 13 лет назад +11

    I love the Vampires of LoK. But where are all the vampire babes? lol
    Total sausagefest (and don't say Umah, because I hate to count the mediocre BO2 as a part of the LoK series) :(

    • @allenr316
      @allenr316 6 лет назад +2

      I agree that BO2 is a crappy addition to the overall lore, but its also the only game with any female vampires (there was 1 other female vamp besides Umah in the game, but she was only shown in 1 scene in the background).

    • @Rahab111222
      @Rahab111222 6 лет назад +1

      There were Voradors brides in Blood Omen 1, even though they were only 2D enemy sprites. There were 2 female vampires in BO2, Umah and the red dress wearing one in the Cabal Sanctuary. And BO2 IS official cannon, even though it was initially created as a mere "adventures of Kain" plugin to cash in on a successful Eidos franchise at the time.

    • @luisman369
      @luisman369 5 лет назад +3

      "Sausagefest" lmao!
      After 7 years, your comment made the day of a stranger. And I truly thank you for that.
      btw Ariel is also a hot milf, although there's too much truth on what you said. Even counting every female character in this franchise, one feels the lack of them.

    • @Ieatpaste23
      @Ieatpaste23 2 года назад

      @@Rahab111222 There were three female vampires in Blood Omen- Umah, the redhead in the red dress, and one with armor covering one arm. The Seer is also a vampire/hylden hybrid.

    • @SiCkMiNiMaLsTyLe
      @SiCkMiNiMaLsTyLe 2 года назад

      @@Ieatpaste23 Most probably the Seer was a full blown Hylden, the last incorrupted of her race. She escaped the banishment thanks to Vorador, I suppose. That would explain why she "owes him one", as Vorador said.

  • @gilberto1diaz643
    @gilberto1diaz643 4 года назад

    How come raziel stare at us?

  • @Phovoz
    @Phovoz 16 лет назад

    it's strange that vorador said at 1.40 "i thought I did ones" that take us to SR2 that's ok but later at 3.05 he said Janos died 500 year ago... but in soul reaver 2 he said 600. it's strange.

    • @andyc4295
      @andyc4295 2 года назад

      Vorador says "nearly 5 centuries ago" and "5 centuries ago" when Raziel meets him in the swamp. He never says 600 years in soul reaver 2.

  • @INKSXXX
    @INKSXXX 14 лет назад

    vorador´s voice looks like christopher reeve voice hehe

  • @SatanicSepp
    @SatanicSepp 16 лет назад

    is there a second living raziel at this point of time? i mean in a human or a normal vampire form?

    • @DarkEinherjar
      @DarkEinherjar 2 года назад

      No. This takes place near the end of the Blood Omen 1 era. Human Raziel was long dead, and Kain wouldn't raise him as a vampire until some time after the Pillars collapsed.

  • @Hyperion-5744
    @Hyperion-5744 3 года назад

    I have a video of vorador in the spectral realm.

  • @AKA_Yours_2RLY_Music
    @AKA_Yours_2RLY_Music 18 лет назад +2

    In soul reaver2, at the last scene, didn't Kaine warn Raziel that Janos should remain dead?

    • @DarkEinherjar
      @DarkEinherjar 2 года назад +1

      Raziel was dragged into the spectral realm at that moment, so he didn't hear those last words.

  •  13 лет назад +2

    where did his sword go? lol

  • @nuroko
    @nuroko 15 лет назад +1

    wrong
    vorador died in defaince
    in blood omen he still live and helped kain
    and in blood omen kain trie and finaly kill the hilden lord the hilden are gone the only hilden creature is raziel
    and a other thing is möbius
    in BO1 he died , kain kills him
    in defaince he say a sentance "time? to kill me again" so defaince plays after BO1 and 2

    • @Bigyugo
      @Bigyugo 5 лет назад +2

      defiance plays before and after blood omen 1

  • @thel1chking
    @thel1chking 2 года назад

    President Johnson !

  • @Majinkura
    @Majinkura 15 лет назад

    the ancients were all wiped out way before vorador was even born so no he has never had a romantic link with the female ancient you see in his mansion. the murals are merely for raziel to find and to provide background on the ancients themselves as a race.
    the only relationship vorador has with anyone besdes janos are his children in blood omen 2 which kain uses for his army oh and umah who is also his childe.
    hope that answers your ?
    :)

    • @podrickfookinpayne2329
      @podrickfookinpayne2329 6 лет назад +2

      And where exactly did you get that from? He specifically mentions that he created the blade but that he doesn't know what sorceries the 'others' put on it. That implies more than one ancient vampire since we know the whole reaver thing was organised by the ancients. Even in the some murals that Raziel visits where Vorador appears, he's shown to be with more than one ancient vampire. Plus Janos himself says that Vorador has lost much at the hands of the humans, implying that he's had plenty of relationships of various kinds that were taken from him. It's not impossible that one of those might have been with an ancient vampire.

  • @張朝翔-q4u
    @張朝翔-q4u 5 лет назад

    In this timeline, the young kain destroy human guardians of pillars .
    On the other hand, the ghost raziel destroy the original vampire guardians and absorb the element power ! Without element power and guardians to defend and support pillars , at last the pillars got crumble!

    • @WisteriaNerium
      @WisteriaNerium 5 лет назад +1

      Not really, it's the current pillar guardians that matter, that's why Kain had to sacrifice himself to restore the pillars even though Ariel wasn't corrupted.

  • @dogmangrasshopperman5592
    @dogmangrasshopperman5592 4 года назад

    Why didn't Raziel stitch Janos back up shame on human person raziel, raziel vampire raziel ghoul, was a savior.

  • @Leonlove111
    @Leonlove111 11 месяцев назад

    VORADOR >SIMMONS

  • @minib32
    @minib32 15 лет назад

    why not email the people who produced the game? It's a bloody long shot but companies do listen to their fans from time to time, who knows, you could have just come up with the perfect way of them capping off the story AND earning twice as much money as they should do :P