These are the mods he uses for those who need to see them all at once: Focus on Non-Attribute Nimble Fingers Skill Simplification MP Conversion Battle of Stamina Increased HP Walk a Tight Rope Maximize Duration Spear and Shield Skill Extension
I think a lot of people just ought to be grateful he's trying to show you the build in the first place.. I mean if you can't pause your phone tablet computer TV at the right time and know what bills that is you probably shouldn't even be playing the game...... LOL
RUclipsrs like this think they’re driving engagement up by hiding their builds and causing people to rewatch their videos, but mostly people just get so frustrated they leave. It’s short sighted thinking.
If you put Focus on Dimension instead of Skill Simplification, then with reactor gold cooldown roll you will have around 7.4s cooldown on your 3. In that case you can lower you duration bonuses and still have 100% uptime. Like getting HP amplification instead of Battle of Stamina for more HP and An Outstanding Investment instead of Maximize duration to get more dmg and more heal. You can try that setup. If bug with the set duration bonus will be fixed, then you will have enough duration for 100% uptime with Skill Extension alone, so An Outstanding Investment not even needed and you can put another module of your choice instead
I used to have Focus on Dimension until I ran the numbers and found that a longer duration 3 resulted in better sustained DPS since we'd shoot more & be in our cast animation less.
@@SOLIDFPS Up until now, I was doing exactly what was mentioned in the comment above and I decided to build it and I took the risk of modifying a crystallization catalyst and I can tell you that if I was happy with my build before, now I'm even happier. You're absolutely right, it lasts longer and gives more DPS. In a difficult mission, an OSS would last me two magazine changes. Now with that change I've made, I kill the boss and I have time left over for more shots. Thanks for showing us your build and sharing it with others.
@@TopG_KnightofOne I have the same build that the video shows minus a dimensional focus mod and when I saw the video I decided to remove dimensional focus and everything changed, my skill duration lasts much longer.
The most needed thing in the game for me right now is being able to toggle on and off the module tool tip. We need to be able to see and read the modules lol
I have small problem with test as I have not seen comparison in spreadsheets in this video - TC is 13% more dmg than Python if built exactly the same, problem is that you shouldnt build them exactly same and go more into direction of getting Elemental Dmg Roll + 50% of that elemental dmg roll instead of Crit + Crit Dmg. I am talking here strictly a test without Enzo. Also Guns Rolls are exactly same on test which is another thing that doesnt seem right as TC should be Crit+Crit Dmg+Firearm ATK + Col Dmg (last slot if that or WP dmg or flat dmg) and Python should be always Elemental Dmg + Col Dmg + Weakpoint + Firearm ATK. I think this scews slightly tests as then Python potentially could be ahead if instead of current setup you would use Toxic Dmg + Col Dmg + WP Dmg + Firearm ATK on weapon rolls and go with Toxic Enhancement + Poison Prority on Weapon.
The potential you are speaking of with elemental dmg is so minor in comparison to fully utilizing a python with crit characters such as Valby or having Enzo in the group. If you do not have a base crit buff from one of these sources, you are just using the wrong gun at the time. The weakpoint is an investment made into both guns. The only real difference is elemental damage and that DOES NOT scale with weakpoint damage. Is python a good gun? Its amazing. Is TC a good gun? also amazing. But why make either of these guns inferior to their best form. Build the python for crit and use it when you can take advantage of that to its fullest when you can. When you can't, use TC.
@@SniperNamedG I mean, comparison in video was done for Crit Python on Solo Gley vs Crit Thundercage build with solo Gley, that is what I question as I do not understand reasoning to compare non-min maxed solo python build for gley vs min-maxed thunder cage setup
@@wydrasm The point was to make the gun the best it can be. Which is with crit assistance from Enzo, or if you are playing Valby. The #'s from a maxed solo python still gets beaten by a maxed solo TC, as the crit dmg and consistency of critting on the TC with x6 CHD just beats out the elemental dmg of the python. General round guns have the most broken weapon mod in the game, which is Concentration Priority. If you are not using that, you are throwing imo, and you aren't getting much value from that mod with a solo python build. How do you take advantage of a broken crit dmg mod? Well, you crit, and crit often. :)
3:39 , and also 4:25 for gley modules half and half covered by tooltips. "Walk a tightrope" is the only mod not shown in these time stamps 4:55 for gun modules
2:13 you where discussing modules and with it unfinished you jumped straight to discussing a reactor. I couldnt find the full picture of all Modules slotted.
On the reactor which is more important? skill duration or skill cooldown? judging from you have cooldown gold on both, it should be cooldown, but wouldn't you want to be masacre up longer with duration?
Thanks for showing how to progress the build without having her fully catalyzed! I just picked up Gley recently and I’ve been struggling on what to do in the meantime while I farm catalysts because almost all the builds I see assume you already have her fully built, I appreciate that you showed how to start from the beginning and what to prioritize!
Hopefully glaze kit is not simple. Blades kit is complex to play compared to almost any other character. Blaze abilities are all interconnected how do use them depends on the situation in every guy return versus both other characters independently. Blaze are all dependent on each other and per passing.
Its harder to stack metal focus for normal gley simple cuz the run and gun with your 3 is bugged so she moves slower with same movement speed for some reason. People need to bring more attention to this. Idk which version is actually bugged cuz idk which one was intended to begin with. They need to figure out which speed they wanna keep tho lol
With the new update to the Thundercage is it still better than the python? Just curious with the bug fix if that changes things or not for this build? Second question because I am sure you tested this so I wanted to ask - Focus on Dimension in place of Skill Simplification to add in cooldown in combination with the now working duration on the annihilation set would allow for 2 damage rolls on reactor no cooldown. Would the 16.3% additional skill power be more applicable than a non-dimension roll and/or colossus roll on the reactor with focus on non dimension mod? Another thing I was looking at to mitigate that 16.3% skill power loss with the CDR / Duration mentioned previously is not using maximize duration to avoid that skill power deduction of 13.8%. That to me sounds like i lose 3 or so percent from skill simplification and now am allowed to roll 2 damage on reactor and potentially is slightly stronger. I dont know the math so I wanted to ask you since you look like the person who likes numbers so I figured asking these technical min maxing questions you may have the answer too! Great job btw!
Loved your analysis since Division2 days, but I believe your build could still be further optimized. Your Maximize Duration drops your SkillPower Modifier (SPM) by -21%, but your Skill Simplification ups it by 84.5%. I believe similar effect can be achieved simply with the addition of Focus on Dimension which gives SPM 68.2%, and CD -6.1%. This nets you a higher SPM and the CD should still enables you to sustain infinate ammo. The next is swap your Spears to Iron Def. They both give same Def, but Spear has +8.1 SP, where as Iron has 12.7 SPM. For Gley's Massacre, my math tells me that SPM increase is better than SP increase. This should leave you with an empty mod slot. Go give it a try. Edit: Saw one of your justification for not using Focus on Dimension. I just prefer to spam V when the cooldown is almost done rather than monitoring the smaller duration icon. Less taxing.
My cooldown is longer and lines up with the longer duration by design. So there's no micromanagement, you still spam 3 so it goes off asap. As for 8.1 base SPBR vs 12.7 SPM, I was seeing more from Spear and Shield since we already have high spm from massacre + mods + being low hp.
You forget that in your spreadsheet the difference is 13% but youre comparing a yellow reactor vs a purple reactor from your numbers, there is a 20% multiplier that you're forgetting needs to be factored into that because its a 14.2% damage increase for Python. I say that youre forgetting because in order to compare both weapons, you need to keep the rest of the variables that arent exclusive to the weapons all the same. This means ideally you use a neutral reactor for both.
The section you're looking at is WHAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW. The next section compares both weapons if they had the same rolls. That's where the gap gets closer.
I would say no, you should not compare weapons with neutral reactor same way you should not compare weapons / external components / modules to be used exactly the same for both weapons. There are 2 builds that need to be "tested" - Python with no-crit but elemental dmg with Slayer set as majority of dmg should be coming from "skill dmg" and yellow reactor with collosus dmg to skill, and then compare this to Thundercage Crit setup with Annihilation set (maybe 2 Annihilation 2 Decimator/Veteran) where it would be closed to 50/50 split of weapon dmg and skill dmg. Just to give you example why - you take Python build where probably like 75% of dmg is skill dmg, the you put Yellow Reactor vs Purple reactor then ofcourse Thundercage that is dealing closer to 50/50 split of dmg is going to perform better
@@wydrasm What are you talking about. His comparison has 2 mismatched reactors that skew the results, primarily in favor of Thundercage because it has a 20% multiplier over over Python's reactor, which is a 14% total dps increase. You use a neutral reactor, as in a purple reactor, that scales both weapons in the same way and keep the sub stats all the same so you dont have any variables affecting the out come. Its less than 1% chance to find 2 yellow reactors for both weapons with the same % in stat boosts. The point of the comparison isnt to see the maximum damage Glee can do, its to see which is better thundercage or Python and you can easily see that with a purple reactor because the outcome will be the same with a yellow one because all the multipliers are increasing exactly the same. What matters is keeping the tests even among the weapons outside of the weapons mods and weapon stats themselves. Also you dont change colossi damage to skill for reactor. Colossi damage is the best damage when it comes to dimension/non element skill power, when youre fighting Colossi.
Is this module setup still great until now? or any modules need to be changed because of patch updates? (I just unlocked Ult Gley and start assigning modules)
@@Paolini_18 you might be correct. I was mostly taking the % from the video. Any videos or reddit posts i might want to read? Im gonna get gley in 30h. Is this video bad advice or does this only apply to python?
@@egis4500 Yes his Gley def doesn't want or need maximize duration. Moxsy's latest gley video is alright, look at the group build part. You can replace outstanding for Tightrope if your reactor is good enough (CD roll, you need to have 100% uptime on skill 3). As for the weapon a well build Python will easily out dps TC but you need to hit the weakpoints or the dmg will fall off ALOT (and TC is rng dependant for the crits). I build Python so i can use it on Ulti Freyna too. Btw you need to wait next week to farm her reactor
Might be an obvious question, but I just unlocked Ult Gley so this is my first build, hence your video. Reactor choice: Materialized Dimensional not Singular?
In in my opinion this is the best way to use build GLEY,, solid knows what he's doing I did I put this together and it's an Unstoppable Bill if you use it correctly
tons of respect for promoting Thundercage when everyone else is going orgasmic for it , extremely on point in terms of description overall, but did you try sharp precision shot instead of mental focus ? i think yields more damage...
is there a way to make thunder cage usable for gley and another descedant ? cause i dont want to have 2 guns builded different, i dont even know if is possible but yeah i following this now pretty cool :3
ive been farming reactors for hours, so far the best i've got has purple skill duration of 0.098x and gold dimensional skill damage bonus of 0.084x. is this reactor good? or should i keep farming them?
Wont focus on dimension be better than skill amolplification as the former adds a targeted damage then the latter adding overall skill power. On top of that focus on dimension gives cooldown reduction which is a plus. Also maximize duration lowers skill power which you need for massacre it is bad for this build.
@@apemasterrace the gain from skill simp is used to offset the loss from the duration mod. Higher duration nets more sustained dps from both the gun and the skill because you're shooting more, casting ability 3 less.
For Gley massacre Python is alot better BUT legacy can work too if u don't want to build another gun Btw don't build Pythong like this dude did, this is nonsense, you want have-aiming and 2 elemental modules instead of wasting mods on crit
Idk how you build your python but I have no better choice but to put crit and crit damage mods on my python for gley because she doesn’t need any accuracy, mag size, reload speed mods freeing up too much space for more damage other than crit and crit damage and testing it vs my maxed out thunder cage my python beats it by a good amount.
I have been on a hunt for like the best Gley bossing build and yours is one of the top ones simply because your build has more uptime on her 3 (inf ammo). Even if its a second more, it makes a world of a difference for DPS. You also use T-Cage which I have fully built so this is an easy slot in that got my Gley feeling powerful quickly. It did take a LIL more work since I didn't have some of the mods you used built up already, but its very much worthwhile to do so. Thanks for the build broski!
it allows you to use skill 2 in frenzy with only the hp cost to gain two orbs for massacre right off the rip, aswell as suck in orbs when out of frenzy to heal with.
i like TC too i have few cata on it but i already have python built for gley i'll just wait for a decent ult AR to use with good base crit if theres none then i will go for the willpower gun
Would blood and iron not be a better mod for this? Your crits give you life orbs to use massacre and the thunder cage has good crit chance so you would always have your ult up
I love this build !! Solid have you tried the gley tank huge helals, Aoe build .... u can stand with every- add & aoe maxed gley kills mobs faster than bunny if u haven't checked it out, I can send you the link. Sweet video mate🎉
Isn't python better because its more weakpoint damage? The numbers aren't too different in the long run, if both are fully built. Isn't Sharp precision shot better too? dont you get more compared to mental focus? Have you thought about using blood and iron since you're going with a crit build?
Stupid question, i see the damage number along with a symbol next to it like it element effect damage. Is that for PC only or is there a setting i can find it.
Great video! But not giving credits to the OG player 虚無男(えびすみ) from showing first the 1 second devourer Gley build is a bit odd.. Overall nice video and keep doing WORK SOLID !
Do people need to give credit when the only similarity is using a maxed Piercing Light + Demonic Modification? Pretty sure that guy had an entirely different set of Skill Power mods to max out his damage. All I did was sub in Demonic and equip a sniper for my clip.
Give credit? Does a creator have to scour the Internet for hours to see if another person posted a similar build??? Friggen ridiculous ….although most people don’t think about what they post before committing their comment.
is it worth to gamble on high coloss dmg on thunder? i got 3 gold good supstats only coloss is not gold it has 2045 dmg. is it worth it? cuz lock 3 stats cost alooot
My problem is when I try to start the Match the way you're doing y the time I try to re do it my health is so low I either get downed by the smallest hit or I'm barely able to land shots cuz I'm trying to make sure I don't get hit from how low my health is. Secondly I don't nearly see the same damage numbers that I'm seeing in this video. I have nearly all the same mods. My reactor might not be the same but the numbers in this video as exponentially higher than mine
@@CarsnStuff Yeah, Massacre is your gun but with added damage from reactor & skill damage mods. That's why I try to show the numbers at the end as Gun + Skill DPS, since there are two parts to how it works.
spear and shield gives 89% defense and 8% skill power but iron defense gives 89% defense and 12% skill power modifier,so isnt iron defense better to run?
Longer duration means less casts which means less reloads which means better sustained DPS. I used to have Focus on Dimension and Colossus Skill ATK on the reactor instead of Duration. Numbers showed that to be an overall DPS loss because the majority of output still comes from the gun, not the skill. The whole point of skill simplification + maximize duration is to level out the penalty while gaining duration. You don't need the extra CDR roll from Focus on Dimension for 100% uptime either.
@@SOLIDFPS I can still get 10 seconds with less duration than your current build using tc that duration sustain doesn’t matter when I output more damage because I use slayer set and atk on collosus, maybe in a world were you fight a collosus for 35 mins you’d start too see a difference but that isn’t the case
lets say you roll 13 crit rate on your thunder cage, that translates to only 2.6% crit, do you really value that over 12% firearm attack (1326.6)? If so, why? i just cant bring myself to put that tiny amount of crit on any weapon.
python works for freyna coz of poison resist debuff, her ult dmg will scale your on skill dmg skill crit and crit dmg, but you can use the python as a mod stick for her ult like firing fiesta extra mag and i forgot the name of the mod but the more you shoot the faster your gun shoots
confuse with his testing with python, he mods out python like a TC? also on his spreadsheet he didn't include slayer set for python? Also how is his gun dps higher than his skill dps during massacre?
Also to include my devour test i get a consistant 10sec with python not having it fully catalyst out yet either.. but he get 11sec fully catalyst, so he's definitely building python build wrong.
@@XevnPlays The point of building Python in the way that I did was explicitly for playing with an Enzo in my group, showing how much better the gun is when built around that specific buff. You're right that I didn't check Slayer's numbers in the video, but running them now, it shows that Slayer is like less than ~1% worse over the Veteran loadout I did show.
Python is just not tye thunercage it does massive DMG NKT JUST TO ONE TARGET... python is fun bjt im stuking with thunercage its obviosly way stronger with multiple targets. Anyways python can rip off bosses weak points sure but i dontnlike it. TC as of now in this game is the best gun in the game in my opi ion it just is. Cant deny that just use it fully catalized with crit maxed and weak point or whayever floats yoir boat and ypur a god inthis game . Cant argue otherwise lol. Haveing tons of fun in this game is awsome. ❤❤❤
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These are the mods he uses for those who need to see them all at once:
Focus on Non-Attribute
Nimble Fingers
Skill Simplification
MP Conversion
Battle of Stamina
Increased HP
Walk a Tight Rope
Maximize Duration
Spear and Shield
Skill Extension
Thank you, was looking for this xD
doing gods work
YEAH I DON T KNOW WHY IS PUTTING THE ARROW ALWAYS IN THE MODS JESUS JUST LET TAKE A PHOTO
I think a lot of people just ought to be grateful he's trying to show you the build in the first place.. I mean if you can't pause your phone tablet computer TV at the right time and know what bills that is you probably shouldn't even be playing the game...... LOL
Thank you for this, was trying to see them all lol
Would appreciate if people would just show the module panel for atleast 2-3 seconds, without hiding 1/4 of it by moving the cursor on one of 'em :)
yeah i always have to move frame by frame to find a part without the page covered
Kinda crazy he wants us to watch the video 10 times to get the build so annoying
This is why has has a whopping total of 95k views while another "Streamer" that rhymes with boxxy nearly 1m over two Gley vids.
@@thomaswells6448 yeah I know I'm using his build:)
RUclipsrs like this think they’re driving engagement up by hiding their builds and causing people to rewatch their videos, but mostly people just get so frustrated they leave. It’s short sighted thinking.
I dont think you show your entire descendant mod page once. theres always a tooltip covering half the screen
he shows one set at a time, he did show all his mods that he talked about
pause it
If you put Focus on Dimension instead of Skill Simplification, then with reactor gold cooldown roll you will have around 7.4s cooldown on your 3. In that case you can lower you duration bonuses and still have 100% uptime. Like getting HP amplification instead of Battle of Stamina for more HP and An Outstanding Investment instead of Maximize duration to get more dmg and more heal. You can try that setup. If bug with the set duration bonus will be fixed, then you will have enough duration for 100% uptime with Skill Extension alone, so An Outstanding Investment not even needed and you can put another module of your choice instead
I used to have Focus on Dimension until I ran the numbers and found that a longer duration 3 resulted in better sustained DPS since we'd shoot more & be in our cast animation less.
@@SOLIDFPS Up until now, I was doing exactly what was mentioned in the comment above and I decided to build it and I took the risk of modifying a crystallization catalyst and I can tell you that if I was happy with my build before, now I'm even happier. You're absolutely right, it lasts longer and gives more DPS. In a difficult mission, an OSS would last me two magazine changes. Now with that change I've made, I kill the boss and I have time left over for more shots. Thanks for showing us your build and sharing it with others.
@@steel7607So keep skill simplification?
@@SOLIDFPSWhat do u run now?
@@TopG_KnightofOne I have the same build that the video shows minus a dimensional focus mod and when I saw the video I decided to remove dimensional focus and everything changed, my skill duration lasts much longer.
The most needed thing in the game for me right now is being able to toggle on and off the module tool tip. We need to be able to see and read the modules lol
I have small problem with test as I have not seen comparison in spreadsheets in this video - TC is 13% more dmg than Python if built exactly the same, problem is that you shouldnt build them exactly same and go more into direction of getting Elemental Dmg Roll + 50% of that elemental dmg roll instead of Crit + Crit Dmg. I am talking here strictly a test without Enzo. Also Guns Rolls are exactly same on test which is another thing that doesnt seem right as TC should be Crit+Crit Dmg+Firearm ATK + Col Dmg (last slot if that or WP dmg or flat dmg) and Python should be always Elemental Dmg + Col Dmg + Weakpoint + Firearm ATK.
I think this scews slightly tests as then Python potentially could be ahead if instead of current setup you would use Toxic Dmg + Col Dmg + WP Dmg + Firearm ATK on weapon rolls and go with Toxic Enhancement + Poison Prority on Weapon.
The potential you are speaking of with elemental dmg is so minor in comparison to fully utilizing a python with crit characters such as Valby or having Enzo in the group. If you do not have a base crit buff from one of these sources, you are just using the wrong gun at the time. The weakpoint is an investment made into both guns. The only real difference is elemental damage and that DOES NOT scale with weakpoint damage.
Is python a good gun? Its amazing. Is TC a good gun? also amazing.
But why make either of these guns inferior to their best form.
Build the python for crit and use it when you can take advantage of that to its fullest when you can. When you can't, use TC.
@@SniperNamedG nope, hes right, i have WP and elem dmg on python and pulls more than a full build TC
@@SniperNamedG Why do you think elemental damage doesn't scale with weakpoint damage?
@@SniperNamedG I mean, comparison in video was done for Crit Python on Solo Gley vs Crit Thundercage build with solo Gley, that is what I question as I do not understand reasoning to compare non-min maxed solo python build for gley vs min-maxed thunder cage setup
@@wydrasm The point was to make the gun the best it can be. Which is with crit assistance from Enzo, or if you are playing Valby. The #'s from a maxed solo python still gets beaten by a maxed solo TC, as the crit dmg and consistency of critting on the TC with x6 CHD just beats out the elemental dmg of the python. General round guns have the most broken weapon mod in the game, which is Concentration Priority. If you are not using that, you are throwing imo, and you aren't getting much value from that mod with a solo python build. How do you take advantage of a broken crit dmg mod? Well, you crit, and crit often. :)
3:39 , and also 4:25 for gley modules half and half covered by tooltips. "Walk a tightrope" is the only mod not shown in these time stamps
4:55 for gun modules
2:13 you where discussing modules and with it unfinished you jumped straight to discussing a reactor. I couldnt find the full picture of all Modules slotted.
rushing the video out
just go back a few seconds, he shows the 4 on the left then the 3 on the right separately
On the reactor which is more important? skill duration or skill cooldown? judging from you have cooldown gold on both, it should be cooldown, but wouldn't you want to be masacre up longer with duration?
am i understanding right that enzo buffed python is only 7% better than enzo buffed thundercage?
probably the best video on this topic that I've seen..nice on.
Thanks for showing how to progress the build without having her fully catalyzed! I just picked up Gley recently and I’ve been struggling on what to do in the meantime while I farm catalysts because almost all the builds I see assume you already have her fully built, I appreciate that you showed how to start from the beginning and what to prioritize!
gley is bae
Really appreciate the time you put in crunching numbers dude. Ive been meaning to do it i just haven't maxed my guns. Thank you 👍
Hopefully glaze kit is not simple. Blades kit is complex to play compared to almost any other character. Blaze abilities are all interconnected how do use them depends on the situation in every guy return versus both other characters independently. Blaze are all dependent on each other and per passing.
Its harder to stack metal focus for normal gley simple cuz the run and gun with your 3 is bugged so she moves slower with same movement speed for some reason. People need to bring more attention to this. Idk which version is actually bugged cuz idk which one was intended to begin with. They need to figure out which speed they wanna keep tho lol
It's not bugged for either Gley brother, just don't ADS (Hold right click) while you run
@@largekoi u honestly think i didnt know that bro this is common sense lol. maybe they fixed it last patch if it works now
One of the best content creators with always correct data and info. Keep it up. Learned a lot again today. TC is a beast
With the new update to the Thundercage is it still better than the python? Just curious with the bug fix if that changes things or not for this build? Second question because I am sure you tested this so I wanted to ask - Focus on Dimension in place of Skill Simplification to add in cooldown in combination with the now working duration on the annihilation set would allow for 2 damage rolls on reactor no cooldown. Would the 16.3% additional skill power be more applicable than a non-dimension roll and/or colossus roll on the reactor with focus on non dimension mod? Another thing I was looking at to mitigate that 16.3% skill power loss with the CDR / Duration mentioned previously is not using maximize duration to avoid that skill power deduction of 13.8%. That to me sounds like i lose 3 or so percent from skill simplification and now am allowed to roll 2 damage on reactor and potentially is slightly stronger. I dont know the math so I wanted to ask you since you look like the person who likes numbers so I figured asking these technical min maxing questions you may have the answer too! Great job btw!
Also curious
Gun roll Python with Enzo CHC% better then ATK% ? 🧐
Great video, I appreciate you putting it together.
Loved your analysis since Division2 days, but I believe your build could still be further optimized.
Your Maximize Duration drops your SkillPower Modifier (SPM) by -21%, but your Skill Simplification ups it by 84.5%. I believe similar effect can be achieved simply with the addition of Focus on Dimension which gives SPM 68.2%, and CD -6.1%. This nets you a higher SPM and the CD should still enables you to sustain infinate ammo.
The next is swap your Spears to Iron Def. They both give same Def, but Spear has +8.1 SP, where as Iron has 12.7 SPM. For Gley's Massacre, my math tells me that SPM increase is better than SP increase.
This should leave you with an empty mod slot. Go give it a try.
Edit: Saw one of your justification for not using Focus on Dimension. I just prefer to spam V when the cooldown is almost done rather than monitoring the smaller duration icon. Less taxing.
My cooldown is longer and lines up with the longer duration by design.
So there's no micromanagement, you still spam 3 so it goes off asap.
As for 8.1 base SPBR vs 12.7 SPM, I was seeing more from Spear and Shield since we already have high spm from massacre + mods + being low hp.
@@SOLIDFPS interesting...I did not take massacre into account.
You forget that in your spreadsheet the difference is 13% but youre comparing a yellow reactor vs a purple reactor from your numbers, there is a 20% multiplier that you're forgetting needs to be factored into that because its a 14.2% damage increase for Python. I say that youre forgetting because in order to compare both weapons, you need to keep the rest of the variables that arent exclusive to the weapons all the same. This means ideally you use a neutral reactor for both.
Don’t bother. Creator will just keep removing the comments telling him he’s straight up wrong. Just don’t listen to him and move on
The section you're looking at is WHAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
The next section compares both weapons if they had the same rolls.
That's where the gap gets closer.
I would say no, you should not compare weapons with neutral reactor same way you should not compare weapons / external components / modules to be used exactly the same for both weapons. There are 2 builds that need to be "tested" - Python with no-crit but elemental dmg with Slayer set as majority of dmg should be coming from "skill dmg" and yellow reactor with collosus dmg to skill, and then compare this to Thundercage Crit setup with Annihilation set (maybe 2 Annihilation 2 Decimator/Veteran) where it would be closed to 50/50 split of weapon dmg and skill dmg.
Just to give you example why - you take Python build where probably like 75% of dmg is skill dmg, the you put Yellow Reactor vs Purple reactor then ofcourse Thundercage that is dealing closer to 50/50 split of dmg is going to perform better
@@wydrasm What are you talking about. His comparison has 2 mismatched reactors that skew the results, primarily in favor of Thundercage because it has a 20% multiplier over over Python's reactor, which is a 14% total dps increase.
You use a neutral reactor, as in a purple reactor, that scales both weapons in the same way and keep the sub stats all the same so you dont have any variables affecting the out come. Its less than 1% chance to find 2 yellow reactors for both weapons with the same % in stat boosts. The point of the comparison isnt to see the maximum damage Glee can do, its to see which is better thundercage or Python and you can easily see that with a purple reactor because the outcome will be the same with a yellow one because all the multipliers are increasing exactly the same. What matters is keeping the tests even among the weapons outside of the weapons mods and weapon stats themselves.
Also you dont change colossi damage to skill for reactor. Colossi damage is the best damage when it comes to dimension/non element skill power, when youre fighting Colossi.
Will take note of this build.
Good job brother!! Quick, categorized, with data keep up the good work.
Is this module setup still great until now? or any modules need to be changed because of patch updates? (I just unlocked Ult Gley and start assigning modules)
My question is. Why are you using Edging Shot? Is the extra crit hit worth losing 15% firearm attk and not being able to use a elemental enhancement?
Very informative, i probably won't bother building python due to being more of a solo player but i appreciate you including that data as well
Do u need teammates for this to be good?
@@josephportillo8987 Python gun is better with enzo buff, around 10% better, and 7% worse if without enzo. Thunder cage is better if you are solo.
@@egis4500 if you build your weapon all over the place like this dude did yeah. Python wants elemental and all the weapoint modules not crit..
@@Paolini_18 you might be correct. I was mostly taking the % from the video. Any videos or reddit posts i might want to read? Im gonna get gley in 30h. Is this video bad advice or does this only apply to python?
@@egis4500 Yes his Gley def doesn't want or need maximize duration.
Moxsy's latest gley video is alright, look at the group build part. You can replace outstanding for Tightrope if your reactor is good enough (CD roll, you need to have 100% uptime on skill 3).
As for the weapon a well build Python will easily out dps TC but you need to hit the weakpoints or the dmg will fall off ALOT (and TC is rng dependant for the crits).
I build Python so i can use it on Ulti Freyna too.
Btw you need to wait next week to farm her reactor
Been trying to build a setup that’s similar. Thanks for the video as a reference point to refer too!
Would be great if you just leave a full screen shot of the mods build without the cursor blocking it.
Is Focus on Dimension not worth it in this build? I have both Non-Attribute and Focus on Dimension and am wondering if I should drop one.
Might be an obvious question, but I just unlocked Ult Gley so this is my first build, hence your video. Reactor choice: Materialized Dimensional not Singular?
The only skills that do damage on Gley are Dimension skills, particularly skill 4.
@@SOLIDFPS Thank you
what paint did you use on your gley?
In in my opinion this is the best way to use build GLEY,, solid knows what he's doing I did I put this together and it's an Unstoppable Bill if you use it correctly
hey solid, what are the godrolls for the bottom that you want? just cooldown and skill duration?
Great video and perfect timing I literally just started throwing resources in ult gley.
tons of respect for promoting Thundercage when everyone else is going orgasmic for it , extremely on point in terms of description overall, but did you try sharp precision shot instead of mental focus ? i think yields more damage...
is there a way to make thunder cage usable for gley and another descedant ? cause i dont want to have 2 guns builded different, i dont even know if is possible but yeah i following this now pretty cool :3
It worked well for me,good video infarmative, liked and subbed🎉
NUMBERS MUST GO UP! ✅
Always
Where can I find your spreadsheet
ive been farming reactors for hours, so far the best i've got has purple skill duration of 0.098x and gold dimensional skill damage bonus of 0.084x. is this reactor good? or should i keep farming them?
I don't see the final build 😢
There is a japaness guy who posted a vid of a Glay build and he does 41m in one shot you. Its crazy.
Source?
Hi, what are your thundercage mods?
So, what's the build for glay and python
Any update on this with the Legacy ???
Legit ! Awesome content buddy you got a +1 sub
Wont focus on dimension be better than skill amolplification as the former adds a targeted damage then the latter adding overall skill power. On top of that focus on dimension gives cooldown reduction which is a plus.
Also maximize duration lowers skill power which you need for massacre it is bad for this build.
@@apemasterrace the gain from skill simp is used to offset the loss from the duration mod.
Higher duration nets more sustained dps from both the gun and the skill because you're shooting more, casting ability 3 less.
I went focus on dimension instead of the skill simplification, not sure what’s better though
Skill simp is best. Especially for gley as it has no downside
Hello, Why i dont stack anything before boss appear? what do i missing?
Is enduring legacy worth using for Gluttony or am I better off sticking with Python?
For Gley massacre Python is alot better BUT legacy can work too if u don't want to build another gun
Btw don't build Pythong like this dude did, this is nonsense, you want have-aiming and 2 elemental modules instead of wasting mods on crit
@@Paolini_18 Ah i see, and is greg's reversed fate worth using? I've a lot of Gley''s running it in the gluttony fight
@@ಠ_ಠ-ಛ2ರ Yes Gley Greg is pretty good, less damage than Massacre but alot tankier since you dont need to build skill damage
@@Paolini_18 That makes sense, thanks for taking the time to explain, i appreciate it.
hello can you show us your entire module table we cannot see your complete table
Idk how you build your python but I have no better choice but to put crit and crit damage mods on my python for gley because she doesn’t need any accuracy, mag size, reload speed mods freeing up too much space for more damage other than crit and crit damage and testing it vs my maxed out thunder cage my python beats it by a good amount.
I have been on a hunt for like the best Gley bossing build and yours is one of the top ones simply because your build has more uptime on her 3 (inf ammo). Even if its a second more, it makes a world of a difference for DPS. You also use T-Cage which I have fully built so this is an easy slot in that got my Gley feeling powerful quickly. It did take a LIL more work since I didn't have some of the mods you used built up already, but its very much worthwhile to do so. Thanks for the build broski!
what are you useing on that luncher?
I don't get it the Mass Sanguififcation mod doesn't do anything to help you buff her damage versus using the skill without it. Am I missing something?
it allows you to use skill 2 in frenzy with only the hp cost to gain two orbs for massacre right off the rip, aswell as suck in orbs when out of frenzy to heal with.
Nice one SOLID! 🔥
Just in time because I just need Gley code and she can cook
i like TC too i have few cata on it but i already have python built for gley i'll just wait for a decent ult AR to use with good base crit if theres none then i will go for the willpower gun
Is this build on glay relevant?
Why Spear and Shield over Iron Defense? Wouldn't the 12% Skill Modifier be more beneficial than the 8% Skill Power?
Would blood and iron not be a better mod for this? Your crits give you life orbs to use massacre and the thunder cage has good crit chance so you would always have your ult up
you want to get to your mod walk a tightrope right away for maximum dmg, yeah you can use blood and iron for other bosses
You won't get your ult up or mentalfocus up before boss spawns
I love this build !! Solid have you tried the gley tank huge helals, Aoe build .... u can stand with every- add & aoe maxed gley kills mobs faster than bunny if u haven't checked it out, I can send you the link. Sweet video mate🎉
Send info pls
Unlimited ammo makes me shoot one bullet at a time on a lmg ??
What is the skin color you used for your gley? Thanks
Stop it, get some help.
Isn't python better because its more weakpoint damage? The numbers aren't too different in the long run, if both are fully built. Isn't Sharp precision shot better too? dont you get more compared to mental focus? Have you thought about using blood and iron since you're going with a crit build?
Yes it is.
Did you even watch the video? He literally breaks down the math.
@@Epikfl0 I did, hence why I'm asking. I've seen other spreadsheets and they're all different.
@@Drew_Boooohis is actually correct
@@kungfudavie interesting
5:15 the weapon mod preset names 😂
Stupid question, i see the damage number along with a symbol next to it like it element effect damage. Is that for PC only or is there a setting i can find it.
Idk about console, but on PC it's a setting under the Gameplay tab
Why im getting same dmg with dimension and non attribute purple mods when using massacre? Same dmg inside testing zone with or without them
Hi, Did you tried "Sharp Precision Shot" on python?
Confused about something. How are you able to keep using massacre without it going awat?
You keep your 3 up at all times, use 3 -> use massacre - > use 3 again when cd is up but before duration expires
Why not tamer or even fly gun that has more than 1200 fire rate?
Great video! But not giving credits to the OG player 虚無男(えびすみ) from showing first the 1 second devourer Gley build is a bit odd.. Overall nice video and keep doing WORK SOLID !
Do people need to give credit when the only similarity is using a maxed Piercing Light + Demonic Modification?
Pretty sure that guy had an entirely different set of Skill Power mods to max out his damage.
All I did was sub in Demonic and equip a sniper for my clip.
Give credit? Does a creator have to scour the Internet for hours to see if another person posted a similar build??? Friggen ridiculous ….although most people don’t think about what they post before committing their comment.
is it worth to gamble on high coloss dmg on thunder? i got 3 gold good supstats only coloss is not gold it has 2045 dmg. is it worth it? cuz lock 3 stats cost alooot
Always better if you can but don’t get too hung up on it
@@kungfudavie yea cuz reroll cost me 20 modul and 100k is realy expensiv
Wait to late but nice vid :) ❤
Where is the reactor from? You cant search for a non attribute general dimension reactor.
The reactor target farming locations change every week.
There's a schedule button at the bottom of that page.
I want the gloomy emote but my twitch drops is still bugged also how many times did you forma gley
gloomy emote is so misleading
first ggs mate thx keep the good work
My problem is when I try to start the Match the way you're doing y the time I try to re do it my health is so low I either get downed by the smallest hit or I'm barely able to land shots cuz I'm trying to make sure I don't get hit from how low my health is.
Secondly I don't nearly see the same damage numbers that I'm seeing in this video. I have nearly all the same mods. My reactor might not be the same but the numbers in this video as exponentially higher than mine
Your gun mods are responsible for most of the damage.
@@SOLIDFPS but I'm talking about her personal gun you can't add mods to that personal gun.
@@CarsnStuff The gun you have out when you use Massacre is still the one doing damage.
@@SOLIDFPS ohhh so that's just and extension of your primary gun that matches with your reactor ?
@@CarsnStuff Yeah, Massacre is your gun but with added damage from reactor & skill damage mods.
That's why I try to show the numbers at the end as Gun + Skill DPS, since there are two parts to how it works.
Which build ist better lepic or gley?
Ive seen them both be super strong so maybe its more what u would like to play, gley is more about shooting guns and lepic is his ult
@@ronjaengenn yeah i said lepic gonna be fixed down
spear and shield gives 89% defense and 8% skill power but iron defense gives 89% defense and 12% skill power modifier,so isnt iron defense better to run?
skill power and skill power modifier are very different
Skill Power is better most of the time
What launcher is being used in the outro?
Vestigal Organ
bros sacriiced slayer set bonus + atk on collosus on reactor for 16% modifier on skill simp when maximise duration removes it LOOOOL
Can you please explain this better? Is this a bug or something?
Nvm, I see what you meant.
Longer duration means less casts which means less reloads which means better sustained DPS.
I used to have Focus on Dimension and Colossus Skill ATK on the reactor instead of Duration. Numbers showed that to be an overall DPS loss because the majority of output still comes from the gun, not the skill.
The whole point of skill simplification + maximize duration is to level out the penalty while gaining duration. You don't need the extra CDR roll from Focus on Dimension for 100% uptime either.
@@SOLIDFPS I can still get 10 seconds with less duration than your current build using tc that duration sustain doesn’t matter when I output more damage because I use slayer set and atk on collosus, maybe in a world were you fight a collosus for 35 mins you’d start too see a difference but that isn’t the case
Also the upcoming patch is going to make this setup weaker compared too a set up with slayer set
Build of sniper plz? Video
Does skill 3 also use your HP?
yep 5% per use
@@Paolini_18 thank you.
lets say you roll 13 crit rate on your thunder cage, that translates to only 2.6% crit, do you really value that over 12% firearm attack (1326.6)? If so, why? i just cant bring myself to put that tiny amount of crit on any weapon.
Could it see the mode slot
but.... her 4th skill 's still bug right? 🙁
Great video! Curious on mods for afterglow sword.
@@bstuartTI attack, crit, critdmg, weakpoint, yellow mod that gives you 200% attack on first round after reload
theres so many builds for python on gley, but i thought that was the best gun for freyna. if not what can replace the python for bossing on freyna?
python works for freyna coz of poison resist debuff, her ult dmg will scale your on skill dmg skill crit and crit dmg, but you can use the python as a mod stick for her ult like firing fiesta extra mag and i forgot the name of the mod but the more you shoot the faster your gun shoots
@@skympii6734 i see, so what is the best bossing weapon for freyna when her ult is on cd?
Which gold paint is that?
Shiny Metal Gold
@@SOLIDFPS Thanks!
Great video with good explanation on the maths behind it. Good work Sir
confuse with his testing with python, he mods out python like a TC? also on his spreadsheet he didn't include slayer set for python? Also how is his gun dps higher than his skill dps during massacre?
Also to include my devour test i get a consistant 10sec with python not having it fully catalyst out yet either.. but he get 11sec fully catalyst, so he's definitely building python build wrong.
@@XevnPlays The point of building Python in the way that I did was explicitly for playing with an Enzo in my group, showing how much better the gun is when built around that specific buff.
You're right that I didn't check Slayer's numbers in the video, but running them now, it shows that Slayer is like less than ~1% worse over the Veteran loadout I did show.
afterglow/PL mods?
esiemo build when
Why does my build not do nearly as much damage i have the exact same modules and it does nothing like that.
You're either missing the weakpoints, don't have the same external gear, or aren't using the abilities correctly.
do you have an enzo with firearm enhancer buffing you?
It'd be cool to actually see the mods instead of the 1 u hover on the entire time 😢
The only thing I want from build videos ist to see the whole module layout. The way you failed to do that is just a bad joke.
Just Look The Video 1 time it’s Not that Hard
@marcelrasperger1668 Nah, this pattern of hiding builds with tooltips is bad and needs to go.
cry much lol.
You know Python wants have-aiming and 2 elemental modules right, why bother doing tests if it's all over the place
There are gley builds that can do devour in 8 seconds
Yeah they don’t use crit python😂
and there are builds that can kill devourer in under 4 seconds... what about it?
Python is just not tye thunercage it does massive DMG NKT JUST TO ONE TARGET... python is fun bjt im stuking with thunercage its obviosly way stronger with multiple targets. Anyways python can rip off bosses weak points sure but i dontnlike it. TC as of now in this game is the best gun in the game in my opi ion it just is. Cant deny that just use it fully catalized with crit maxed and weak point or whayever floats yoir boat and ypur a god inthis game . Cant argue otherwise lol. Haveing tons of fun in this game is awsome. ❤❤❤