This Poorman's 351w Stroker Build IS A Forgotten Powerhouse 💪
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
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The junkyard 351w block we tore down on the recent video now is in prep state. We are moving right along with the progress. What happens next?
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A 351W roller engine is a helluva score! I look every time I go to the junkyard but they are hard to come by. I am also a "do as much of it as you can" kind of guy. It's so satisfying when you get it all back together and it runs good. You can tell anyone who asks that "I built it myself".
I have one in my dads old f250. Trying to decide what to do to it. I need to tow with it every once in a while. Mostly used for Home Depot trips and putting boat in.
I just got one for free. Going to put it in a 88 that currently has a blown straight 6. Really want to put it in a ranger though
I’m 55 yrs old, I’ve been in many 351W since the 70s. I believe it’s better then a Chevy 350, it pulls harder and i think it’s a much better engine, I’ve been in many Chevy 350s as well.
A 351W decked out is quite possibly as good as it gets and you still have plenty of room to work on it. Parts availability is much better then a351C.
Put a nice 351W on 3.89s to 3.91s on a toploader with a 9” rear, stuffed in 69’ Mach 1,
yea, I’m thinking I’m back !
I have a similar setup in a 67 f100 and I love it! 69' 351w block 408c.i., 3.89 gears, 9"rear, tko600 5spd trans
Dan Again a BIG Thank You for making these "How To" videos for Us. It's Much Appreciated for my 351W future.
Yw man
Never throw anything away! God I wish I had all the shit I tossed back in the ‘90s.
1985 dual snorkel air filter housing, tons of ‘85-‘86 GT interior pieces like halo headrests and a bunch of H.O intakes, 10 hole wheels, etc… I gave away and threw away soooo much. Smh. Now my wife doesn’t understand why I save everything. She says, “you’re a damn pack rat hoarder” ……no dear, I’m a collector, I tell her lol.
Haha a collector i like that. I say the same thing.
Yessir. Last week my brother found my first car insomd 26 years ago ! My ole 85 gt HO. Motor is gone. Wish i had the oem dual snorkel and other stuff. I missed it for so long but this winter its coming back alive and will be better than ever
Thanks, You so have my interest in this build, Looking forward to copying this build, and already working on finding a 2nd 351W for my 75 f100 project
Glad I could help! AND THANKS AGAIN for super thanks matt! We will be going over it pretty much step by step.
I never ever throw any reusable parts away......I have everything you can imagine......even stock parts from my first car, 1966 Fairlane, bought in 69 at Junk yard a long with the power train of a 1967 Shelby GT350.....hence the stock Fairlane parts ......1/2 of my barn is parts, lots of older performer parts too...LOTS. Love the old Windsor, have 4 or 5, can't remember.
Cool !
You wouldnt have a 460 or a old blower would you...man i know id sleep out in tbe barn and be content rumnaging around like a kid in a candy store .
@@mustangandfrankenstein As a matter a fact I know I have one but I'm thinking two 460's out of 1968 Lincoln Continental Mark III's........a few old blowers for 49-70 Fords roots type but my son won't part with them and I doubt the motors either. He's my crew chief for everything now....I'm about retired from it all.
@@mrshifter8220 ohh man that would be perfect for my old school build ..this is why i tell everyone not to have kids.they alsays mess stufc up..lol..im just joking sir ..youre sons smart not to get rid of stuff i font really either .but if you need a kidney or another body part give me a hollar id love to come and haggle over it...the barn sounds like my willy wonka and the chocolate factory... besafe take care.brotber.
@@mrshifter8220 ohh man that would be perfect for my old school build ..this is why i tell everyone not to have kids.they alsays mess stufc up..lol..im just joking sir ..youre sons smart not to get rid of stuff i font really either .but if you need a kidney or another body part give me a hollar id love to come and haggle over it...the barn sounds like my willy wonka and the chocolate factory... From what Myrtle Beach besafe take care.brotber....
I love the lower end builds like this there mote reliable and make good power when done like this
i been looking for a 351w and then you pop off going to the junkyard and show me how to stroke this motor very easily you're the bomb dude love the videos
Thank you
I find these blocks cheap until these videos!!!! Lol
my husband and I were at Summit Racing when you were there! he's a huge fan and would LOVE to meet you
I'm building a 351 stroker now. Taking it to a 408 with gt 40 heads. Hoping to pull 475 hp and more than 500 lbs torque
Going in 1995 short bed with a 6 speed trany and 355 gears
Great video-I have thought about doing this exact bottom end for some time now! I can’t wait to see what you do with it!!
Cool man thanks for watching!
So no dirty balls. Got it...
I'm in for the build. I have some of this stuff around.
ok cool man. this is a budget minded stroker block from long years past lol!
The finish is better and the hone will last longer if you alternate rotation direction during the process. 👍👍
Hello all. New subscriber. I am running a mild built A460 big block currently in my 67 Mustang gt. My plan is to build a 351W F block roller into a 408 stroker. This video has me all excited now. Should be plenty of F blocks here in Detroit area, just got to get looking. Don't trust crap off Ebay scammers. Thanks for sharing! Cheers from Motown!
Welcome aboard!
Cool vid.
Going to be doing one of these old 351's for a '78 Thunderchicken. This and your other videos are going to be a big help.
Hell yeah, Love a budget build stroker.
Rock on 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Look forward to the finished product
Yes sir !
351 Windsor is a classic👍
Just found your channel by accident.
Like your 351 stroker build.
I subscribed to your channel.
Take care, Ed.
Thx and welcome !
Hell yeah brother!! Can't wait to see the rest of the build!.. really curious to see what build car you are going to install that in.👍😆😆👍👍
Stay tuned !!
Just ran across this and LOL'd....just because I was like "Wow NeoMustang dude". I used to buy some Fox parts from you back when I lived in Brook Park, Oh. I did a fuel injected On3 Fairmont back in '08 when most guys hadn't a clue about BoxTopFoxes...Good for you Brother, thats awesome you got this channel and are doing your thing! Congrats and I wish I could still get parts from you so easily. I'm down in South Florida and trying to find parts for my Windsor based Fairmont now has been a nightmare. I'm subscribing now and look forward to keep checking out your content. Good luck Brother
Welcome to the channel man! I appreciate it!
Hastings are actually good rings
Remember the old days of taking comet and scrubbing the cylinders with a brush and white cloth lmao that's old school
Yep
Never throw away old 5.0... 5.8.. and mustang parts .
Thanks
Before i hone (not with ball hone) I check the taper of the bore with piston rings on top and bottom. If you have taper to your bore, anything over 4500 RPm's it will fall on its face because the piston rings can't keep up to seal.
Good to know
Myvintageiron7512 youtube channel just posted a video on checking bore taper and runout a few days ago. A good watch! He is a great machineist, Brian.
Love all your videos man..watch them all.
Awesome content! Love this budget stuff...now the real question is how much power !! I can't wait to see the numbers!!!
We have some plans for it!
I have no doubt you do,lol !!😎👍🤘
“The Nut’s got an engine, a 351 blowin doors on the task when it’s time to run!”
Haha
@@Neomustangs do you know that song?
IMP livin Reckless by Cougnut
I'm a die hard Cleveland man but that is an awesome build as Cleveland parts are getting very scarce.
Thanks man! It’s a build I wanted to do for a decade now!
Cleveland blocks only have a 9.2" deck. They are heavy, but have great heads. But, shoot too much gas on them and you'll see their insides! Know a guy that turned them over 8000rpm! The Windsors have more potential in the aftermarket and much easier to get a decent rod/stroke ratio. Most guys turned the into 408s. Interestingly enough, Windsor jictor Jr heads have nearly identical flow numbers as the 4bbl Cleveland heads!??? You can get stroker kits for Clevelands too!
Great video. Gonna watch the next one. Great plan for my build
Ty
You've definitely spawned my interest in a 351W
Ya it's gonna be wild.
Man.. you have no idea how badly I miss having my uncle having lots of old Windsor and 302 parts pilled up... After he got hit my a drunk driver. He had to shut down his engine shop... And right as I was getting to the age of getting into this stuff.
But... I have a 5.0 mustang just sitting around. Decaying into the ground. I just don't have the tools... Or the equipment and money really to do what it needs
Where are you located? Please don't let a beautiful beast die in a field. A starter tool kit isn't expensive and these days you can Google and RUclips any and everything. If you have no desire To bring it back to its glory let me know.
Been thinking about this for my 351w after your videos
If block has a good bore why not?
@@Neomustangs for sure time to get it on a stand and pull the heads and intake
Very nice, nice and consistant honing, too long to take out too much. Great job, another kick butt motor build bud.
Thanks man!
Very cool 😎!!! I’m seriously watching this build. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Hell ya
@@Neomustangs ✌🏻👊🏻
@@Neomustangs I’m learning something new. I knew how to make the Old style 331 using a 292 Y block crank, in a 302 block. I don’t ever remember hearing about this one!! I’ve actually got almost everything to build this.
Windsor one of the best ones made😎👀
Yep
I'd to build one on efi
*Looking to build a 351 eventually here and replace it with my inline 6*
Forgotten... See. That has been the goal...
Make people forget about it... Cause my uncle.. my cousin... My whole family... Is all about 5.0 and 5.8...
And always... Always making stokers... That's my hope and my plan after I get some money.
Oh.. and my uncle's friends to... Are all about stroker Windsors.
You didn’t tell the peeps what grit you are using! 400 grit is what I use . Thanks
240
have you ever heard of using ant-freeze with a trans fluid mix..? just asking cause back in the day it was a way to keep the heat down when hone-ing the wall's.. love your channel..
I have not
I enjoyed this video! The knowledge and technique of honing out a block are valuable. Honestly it seems intimidating to me because I would hate to screw it up, but that’s how we learn! 💯👊🏾
Yes sir
@@Neomustangs One thing you might want to consider doing in future rebuilds Up to you though. If you use a ball home you won't find low spots in the cylinder walls they'll get a good cross hatch though. When I use A flat stone hone, I Have found low spots both times I did it on 2 4 cylinder + Not knowing the history of the engine. Or how many times it was overheated,Which could create cylinder wall distortion. In the end Might not affect horsepower to much But it's still something and might affect long term reliability. Anyways love your videos and find the T5 rebuild videos very helpful keep up The great work
got my sub , love this stuff
Welcome
The F4TE blocks are prone to a hair line crack in the block at the top of number 2 and 4 cam bearing, below the 2 spider fasteners. What's your opinion?
What not use an older model block with thicker main webbing and use retro fit lifters? These blocks have some thin main webbings.
Either one is strong my 408 is a 93 block. Very last one before roller
@@Neomustangs Im in florida and have a truckload if you ever need some ford parts hit me up. I love the channel mam been watching you for years! Great content!!
@@twinturbocoyoteftw thx man !!
How do I fixs the rear going side to side after I took the quad shocks off
Nice video!!
Thanks!
351w is your friend, and nothing quite sounds as good as a ford
💯
Fords best small block they grossly under used.
Agree
Thank s a 💯 k views series. Maybe the first 387 video on you tube
I hope so
I got one that's making some noise in the top end
I think those Fox pistons are Hypereutectic piston, not forged.
LOL they are forged.
Might go grab me a 351W to put on ice 🤔
Not a bad idea!
great video new to the channel
Thanks for coming
Why do you have a Dodge Ram instead of a Ford Fseries aero nose because lots of ford foxbody engine parts are on that truck and many other parts interchange with the f series and foxbody cars
My main truck on the channel is an f-350 diesel …..
I thought it was a clutch at first
Oh.. it is a clutch
Wheres the poor mans stroker part of this video Honing is only part of reringing a engine .
The main reason new rings don't seat properly is a Taper in the cylinder.[ different diameter top bottom of cylinder]
What part of stock parts, a cheaper style stroker crank isn’t budget ???? I mean really outside of machine work you buy a crank …
I could use them heads!
What crank and rods do you use to stroke a 351?
There’s a playlist bunch of videos.
My motor shake at idle what could it be
I was always taught you only hone a cylinder 4 times with a ball hone. In and out being a pass
Nah that ain’t enough to cut. Pending on stone grit
I know everybody has their own way of doing things but like i said we were taught by sonny leonard that if you hone a cylinder more than 4 times and its not right then you need to bore the block. Not saying his mouth was a prayer book but i seen him when he was living have 4 as the limit. Ive seen his motors make 4500 hp non turbo. So to each his own.
What’s the compression with a 58cc head around? High compression keeps coming up. I found a 351 yesterday out of a 96 bronco for a fair price and I just want to build an engine. I have a couple t5s I can bolt to it.
I’m not gonna lie. It’ll be decently high. 11/1
If you want a recipe I have one posted on fb. I just built a 387” (stock bore) that’s at 10.5:1 exactly static comp. You just need to pic the right parts accordingly.
How can we get a scents of the proper speed to hone when you put your camera on Timelapse?
Probably should just take it to the local machine shop. Thanks for watching.
Even though its a roller motor, is it beneficial to go back roller or does it depend on power level. I am looking for torque, not HP.
Stay roller
Roller lifters have a lot of benefits. the first one is that there is less zinc in motor oil these days since zinc clogs up catalytic converters on engines leaking oil thru the rings or valve seals. If you use flat tappets on a cam, you want to add zinc on break-in or you'll wipe out your camshaft lobes in a minute on first startup. Second is reduced friction and third is the design--you can get radical with a cam design by opening the valves to full lift sooner. doing this means you can design a cam profile that holds the valve open for less duration, since it got to full lift sooner. Less duration can make a cam operate "milder", so you get the benefit of whatever valve lift is necessary to get the head of the valve out of the way of the air/fuel flow (or exhaust flow) but you can lessen the duration the valve is open. this can help build vacuum or smooth out the idle of the engine, so you don't even need big power levels for a roller cam design to help make a car more "streetable" or "daily driver"--such as running AC in these temps and not stalling out a rough idling engine.
@@albertgaspar627 I'm 43, my first car was a 90 25th anniversary fox. I have 7 mustangs in my life and 4 of them were foxes. In fact I traded my last fox for my 74 bronco
@@NottiOne got me beat ! i've only had an 86 turbo t bird and the 86 Gt i still have as my fox bodies, and a 67 vintage for a mustang count. That could change real easy in the coming years....
@@albertgaspar627 I kick myself everyday for getting rid of a few of them but when I was in the military as a lowly E3 I was hard up and sold my first one. I had a 94 and 95, had to sell my love cause my ex killed me with debt and I sold my 1969 fastback 351. I kcik my self for selling, should have gotten rid of the ex sooner. Maybe I would still have it.
I always tap the ends of the oil galleries too. I’ve seen the knock in plugs that were even staked in blow out and destroy a sbf. Personally I’d weigh everything and at least spin the crank to see how far out of balance it is.
Boss 302's got some of their strength from threaded core plugs in the side of the block, so the Ford Factory agrees with you :) honestly it's tempting to do to any block "just to be sure".
@@albertgaspar627 I threaded my 72 Windsor block for screw in core plugs, as well as the gallery plugs and a bunch of oiling modifications. It made 626hp N/A on the super flow engine dyno at 393 cubes. I’d say it’s closer to 675 now with a more appropriate camshaft and vacuum pump. It’s like building a house, the more you add, the stronger everything gets.
Have you decided what car this stroker is going in?
Yes
Did I overlook? What is the stroke of the crank going to be?
3.85
Good deal 👌
Full send
In the middle of a swap myself don't know to go 408w or coyote swap
Would the compression be to high to run with boost using a on3 kit and Tf170s? I've wanted to do this for my brothers turbo build but was unsure of compression and e85 isn't easy to get
Depends on heads and fuel. But a good head gasket and maybe e85 no problem.
Neo I have a 302 that I need just the machining work done for a 347 stroker What does it Somewhat cost to have the machining worked done I never had A motor machine before so I'm not Sure on the price
Depends on what’s getting done. Boring. Decking. Washing. Clearancing all adds up.
Why did you have to send the McCloud clutch back... What happened???
Great vided, could I use an older 351 from the 80, s for a build like this ? Are older non roller blocks stronger? I have a trick flow intake on my 302 , could I use it on the 351 ?
Yes, absolutely
Different deck height
So all I need is a Windsor with 5.0 pistons and and wham 385 c.i.d basically
Needs a 3.85 crank but yes
@@Neomustangs does the block have to be notched for that crank and rod set up
@@johngraves6054 yes. I have that covered in another video. Just on one area if you use factory rod bolts
@@Neomustangs lol thanks buddy I been binge watching your videos half the day on the on3 turbo kit love the videos and info keep up the good work you got another subscriber ever time I watch on I get new ideas just testing the waters to find out where I'm going with my build thanks again
@@johngraves6054 yes sir thx !
What are the specs on that really low height 2 post lift? Its exactly what I need in my garage.
It’s just a standard lift.
What transmissionand clutch are you using with the 408stroker
T56 magnum and McLeod RXT HD 1200
Are the factory pistons that came out of the 351w roller block hyper pistons? I've had 2 roller 351 blocks and both motors have hyper pistons instead of cast. Thanks.
Not that I know of. Pretty sure they were cast.
Where did you buy your crank, Im fixing to do a similar build but all of the 3.85 cranks were $450 that I seen
Summit racing. Just get a cast steel crank. Cheap eagle one. Make sure you dont get the one with chevy rod bearings.
@@Neomustangs ok will do thanks man, I may hit you up if my bore is good and see if u have another set of those stock pistons that you want to let go of, ive got some but they are cast pistons.
@@Neomustangs are you planning to boost yours or just a strong N/A
@@79beans347 Stick around find out! lol
@@Neomustangs man you already know that Im not going anywhere . Do you have a roller that you would be willing to sell?
My kids think I'm cheap I get every single part for my figure 8 car from the junkyard some of the guys have $8,000 in their motor I have $350 in my entire car and yes it is a Ford powered 302
Thats awesome!
What transmission are you putting behind that 351?
Tkx
hey dan i can pick up a 351 right now for 400 bucks buddys says jugs are pretty clean is it better to go this way then the gt40 build ??
Yes sir. Sounds like a budget plan
alright man im just going to copy u then in these videos bro thats the build
im going to pick your brain if you dont mind
@@dylanfitzpatrick2612 we’ll be updating this build often. It’ll be to the point on details. And parts used
perfect thanks brother
What grit u using on the ball Hone
I think its 240? Bore had good hatch still walls werent bad at all. just scuffed them back up.
Sorry what crank are you using for this budget build?
3.85 stroke eagle crank
This is an 11 minute video about how to prep cylinders for piston installation
So, there other videos on other progress….
Does anybody run a clevor anymore?
They do
What you think the fox piston will handle in that block
As much as the block and rods can. Remember these are seasoned FORGED pistons. Not cast or hyper alum. Strong AF
I pushed the old sbe on my coupe to 525 rwhp and its still in shop ready for some heads has the trws also goin in my cobra soon
What are you calling a fox piston ? And how much is a cheap ford crank ..sorry from the sbc..world but wanna put together a clean lx couple 4 head light deal..
87-92 foxbody TRW forged pistons from factory. You can still use hyper pistons from 93-95 (and explorer 96-01) but those arent as strong.
Hi, where can i contact you about the product sponsorship?
And what product is that
@@Neomustangs Obd2 scanner or smoke leak tester.
Wait.. fox pistons... They the same bore as 351... I should know this.
I have always been told they are in the Windsor family
When you say fox pistons is he talking about pistons from a foxbody 5.0?
Yes
When the shop is a disaster any work will also be a disaster.
That’s never true. Haha
Did you end up balancing anything? Just curious
Yep there’s a playlist with that video in it and a short
I've got an on 3 performance 70m turbo kit if know anyone wants it I'm thinking of selling my 1990 notch has a 4.6 2v I was gonna put it in
Where you from
How much for the kit. I am in South Carolina. What state are do You live in.
It's a lot better to pay a couple of extra dollars and have the cylinder bores done right, and not use that tool at all. I'm sure you're going to invest your time blood, sweat and tears into this project. It's already going to be at the Machine shop anyway.
It’ll work just fine. It’s not meant to be a big budget build. Yet …
How much do you save at this point if the machine shop is already decking it over just having them measure and hone it as well?
You don't want that in your ball hone.
Nothing poor about building a engine these days . A 393 and a 408 cost the same money to build these days.
Yes thats why we are here now trying to build some viable options.
Not exactly. If you’re smart you can build a 387-393 for comparably very cheap.
@@DWBmotorsports what is "Cheap "
@@boostedsaleen6146 a shitload less than what a 408 costs…. If you re-use truck rods and source some used 302 pistons thats money you don’t have to spend. I bought forged slugs and the eagle 3.850 crank and used truck rods and still was in way less than the 408. Retain stock bore and you’re talking even less money. There’s no possible way a 408 is as cheap to build.
@@DWBmotorsports chinese speed master stroker kits are under a grand and you get h beam rods. If you want to poor boy it and use a 300 dollar crank and used rods and pistons go ahead . Lol
Maan you mofo's are lucky you got the 5.7 roller motors over there, as we'd be rolling over each other to get them in Australia had theey come out in vehicles here (other than the odd Ambulance converted F250) ! We'd probably outright trade you straight for Barra Sixes sure enough!
You talk too much.
Don’t watch
Hey man can you explain more in depth on the 25 degree angle you were mentioning a couple times in the video
Cross hatch angle