The best is the fact that they ban baron and savage because generic omni negates are bad apparently but then they just release even more a couple months later
@@wolfwoodstyleblue3946 Its basically just Yubel support. Not a whole lot of other rank 10 decks out there aside from maybe Earth Machine? I'd rather we just move Phatom to 1 to gimp the deck's late game capabilities, but that's just me. It actually takes a bit of set-up to loop it back into the extra deck, so putting it at 1 would be fine since it keeps the Yubel deck from bricking your hands. The main priority rn is banning Apo, banning Flamberge (since Snake-Eye is getting new support) and banning either the link 2 Goddess or the link 1 Fiendsmith, along with eventually banning Beatrice once Fiendsmith has had some time to see play.
Ngl i get the sentiment that decks like branded and lab being around and relevant for too long however aside from Sanctifire i legit think those engines are fine if we ban main deck floodgates, something we all agree should happen.
Honestly funny hearing him rant about how toxic the floodgates are for 5 minutes straight just to casually say “Colossus can come back” Like why are people okay with the floodgate that you can turbo out consistently but not the sacky ones?
Idk if I've said it before on the channel but I wish they'd print a thunder dragon fusion that had the same summoning condition and a different effect. The game is probably better with Colossus banned overall but I'm just predicting that they will be putting it to 3 because the card hasn't really made an impact on the tcg and it's already at 3 in the ocg. Personally I do not like cards like Colossus and Winda but they are undeniably more manageable than the heinous lingering floodgates currently legal in the game.
the difference between 1 and 3 sus is only that thunder can play yugioh with multiple the decks that are playing colossus now, you are not losing to the colossus, you are losing to the cards insulating the colossus.
@@Ashblossomm people approved of baroone and savage hits, which was dumb, that was a net negative lost for the community, and now the community doesnt want to ever side in backrow hate and just wants all floodgates to zero
@@wolfwoodstyleblue3946 floodgates are the game's least problem I've been playing this game for 7 years now in never in this time i was bothered by floodgates except maybe mystic mine. people became lazy at deck building just throwing staples and their engine and calling it a day that's why they hate floodgates the real problem is stuff like recycling a lingering effect every turn or shit like puppetlock that is also a lingering effect or ripping hand and the one card combos it's just making the game less interactive and harder for new players to get into by the time we stop playing this crap and go on with our lifes there will be no playerbase left because nobody looks at a game of yugioh and says "damn this game looks interesting"
@@Ashblossomm yea good points, surprised puppet lock wasn't addressed last banlist, and as for certain linger effects it's not so bad, d barrier is one I'm more less fine with, doesn't effect the most busted summoning mechanic links, and nobody is forcing players to play just fusions, synchro etc, it gives me droll vibes, as for d shifter I think it not really having a counter is annoying
@@wolfwoodstyleblue3946 Baronne and Savage were great hits. There is 0 reason to have cards that absurdly powerful completely generic and easily accessible. The issue is that Konami has amnesia and decided to just start putting out the same crap again with a different coat of paint
Shifter is by far the biggest problem on that list in my opinion lol. And I think that Apollousa deserved a ban more than Baronne, and especially more than Borreload Savage Dragon.
Apallousa needs banned because its exactly decks like Snake-Eye that make it not ok and just because other decks can't make a 3-4 material Apallousa and make 2 or more other interruptions doesn't mean it should exist. If Caesar, Beatrice, and Apallousa get banned all of a sudden Snake-Eyes and future combo decks are way less overtuned and then cards like The Fiendsmith is ok at 3. Konami is being more careful with card design it just if we don't let the growing pains happen nothing will change and for what its worth 1 card combos are healthy when they aren't taken as far as Snake-Eyes. Just look at Branded without Sanctifire and Swordsoul. There isn't anything so unfair with their 1 card combos that they have to be banned. People might argue Dragoon but 1 Ash Blossom stops that from happening so what would be the problem with Branded Fusion. Its just doing what people expect fusion decks to do for fusion summoning to be good. Which is that for them to be good they normally have to be made with just the spell and cards from deck, banished, or grave. Using cards from hand or field normally isn't that good anymore and back when it was Polymerization and 2 monsters from hand fusion summoning used to be a meme. A useless mechanic to laugh at. Which only proves my point. Konami took a summoning mechanic that never used to be good and made it great.
It’s legitimately depressing to play this game sometimes. There are kashtira and snake-eye and yubel decks flooding the casual mode in master duel while I’m sitting here with my earth machine deck just tryna have fun. This game is so fucked.
Back in the day FTK/OTK decks were banned because they're unbalanced, boring to play against and it's unfair to not have a turn. The more consistent, the quicker it was banned, with several emergency banlists coming out. Nowadays every single strategy is focused on OTK/FTK. Konami dropped the ball by listening to meta players and trying to make "explosive" combo-focused decks. Oh, and the TCG isn't the problem. OCG is just as unfun to play. The problem is that sitting for 20 minutes waiting for the opponent to finish his board and doing nothing besides discarding Blossom once; then going into your turn and having all your actions negated/destroyed (and triggering more of the opponent's combos) is inherently boring.
@@alexYu-gi-oh 1. Tele-DAD, unlike Tearlaments and Snake-Eyes, was not a prepackaged strategy created by Konami but rather a bunch of cards that, together had a lot of synergy by pure chance. 2. The entire Tele-DAD deck was cheaper than a single S:P Little Knight or Bonfire at their peak. There is a clear conflict of interests here with Konami making a lot of money out of staples. 3. Tele-DAD resulted in a sweeping banlist that made the deck pretty much useless. Meanwhile Tearlaments are still topping on Locals, it still has players on Nationals and everyone expects Snake-Eyes and Fire King to get a slap on the wrist as Fiendsmith, the next Tier 0, comes out. 4. Tele-DAD was the exception. Tier 0 formats were far and fee in between, now the game moves between Tier 0 formats every six months or so.
@@Pocket-Calculator You are literally lying lmao Dad was SUPER expensive! It was NOT less than the price of an SP lmao! The deck was around 800 to 1000 dollars in 2008 ffs. You clearly never played a competitive game in your life back in the days if you think dad was cheap which makes me immediately lose interest in discussing with a troll. But just to say one last thing, the game doesn't jump between tier 0 decks every 6 months, again, literally lying. The last tier 0 deck before snake eyes was tear 2 years ago and before that it was in 2018 so 4 years prior. I love old school yugioh, i play edison all the damn time but people like you just talk shit out of their ass and its annoying.
@@thedog7494 I didnt get destroyed, i just didny reply because his points are retarded af. Tele dad was not cheaper than an SP thats literally a lie da fuq. Tele dad was almost a 1000 dollar deck (16 years ago, thats a crazy ass number) And it doesn't matter if the deck was pre packaged by konami or not thats such a stupid ass argument, the deck lasted for almost a year without konami ending it. Also we dont move between tier 0 formats every 6 months. Literally before tear we didnt have a tier 0 deck in 4 years (2018) and thats ironic because 4 years before DAD we also had a tier 0 format in chaos after invasion of chaos was released and then that lead to the very first ever ban list. Yall are bunch of dumbasses i swear lmao. The fact that he said DAD was a cheap deck made me instantly know the type of person im talking to, a dumbass. I love old school yugioh, i play edison alot, but that doesn't mean old yugioh was better or flawless lol
Yugioh is best when the meta decks revolve more around RNG. I only play master duel but unironically the most fun I had was during tear format. When metas devolve into who opens their starter and extenders like SE/FK then it's just fucking boring, it's pretty much just Mathmech/Spyral with a shorter combo. It's just the same thing over and over again. Best metas was the one where Tear and to a lesser extent branded dominated (before they turned that deck into an inconsistent pile whose win condition is just a puppetlock. Mirrorjade aint too strong nowadays
You spitting hella bars. Never has someone spoke more truth. Annihilate snake eyes and bring Baronne back. Konami tcg side has been smoking dow corning insulation lately. Yama def doesn't need hit the biggest issue of old cards is Opening of the Spirit Gates. TCG has typically been fun because we have heavier ban lists that keep things in check unlike OCG which leaves broken power cards/strategies intact hoping Maxx C balances them out, but recently they just stopped hitting... anything.
Shifter is fair Literally only rouge and tier 3 decks use it like kash floo and ritual beast Stop crying about it holy fuck Yama banned is insane, yubel can still do their combo and even more without him Wanting princess Banned just show you really dont pay attention to where the problem is in the combos And finally the pendulum hate for gods sake Pendulum have electrumite in ocg and md and it’s completely fine and does nothing Tcg players I swear they always want cards banned based on their personal experience against them not on a comprehensive basis
"Shifter is fair" Do I even need to say anything? Like are you trolling? A card stealing wins by itself is never fair. I'll give you that now is probably the worst time ever to ban it because it's basically the only hand trap that can do anything to fiendsmith by itself but calling shifter fair because exactly right now the decks playing it aren't good enough is a 20 iq take. Don't forget exosister, floo, spright, and runick consistently staying competitive because of a card with hardly any counterplay that creates non-games. Anyone defending Shifter is advocating for shit card design to compete with other shit card design. How about we just fix the game instead? "Yubel can do their combos without Yama" But the deck becomes a whole lot worse. If Yama wasn't a ridiculously strong card, Yubel players wouldn't bother playing it and 2 cards they don't really want to open in their deck, but literally every single list does because it adds a ton of resilience to your combo and end board. I'm assuming they aren't going to hit it but it's more likely they hit that than they hit an actual Yubel card because that's how Konami works. "Wanting princess Banned just show you really dont pay attention to where the problem is in the combos" Oh Princess isn't a problem? The monster that requires 2+ effect monsters. Any effect monsters so you can make it with any charmer. The monster that non targeting reborns any fire. The monster used to kill your opponent with Zealantis because for some reason it isn't banished when it leaves the field after being reborned. The card that gives you interruption through basically every board breaker and infinite followup. Yeah it's only like the most pushed link monster ever. It is THE problem card. "Pend Hate waah" Pend doing nothing makes no difference to me. People love - absolute ADORE shitting on break-my-board infinite negate combo decks and yet 2 seconds later they say bring back electrumite. Every pendulum deck right now might take a different path to get there but always ends up being a cancer end board of I:P, Appo, Vortex dragon. Maybe they spice it up with a secret village, a hope harbinger, a mighty master. It's just negates and floodgates dude. Why do you want more decks like that in the game? "Tcgplayers don't think. They aren't as smart as me, I'm so smart. Shifter is fair." Have you actually considered what the game would be like with my made up, fake banlist? All this list is doing is making the game healthier by lowering the ceiling and resilience of the top decks, and lowering the chance of non-games by removing floodgates that should have been banned years ago. This list drops, it is a net positive for player agency.
@@ratkingdomygo Regarding the overall game environment which i dont think your banlist was addressing or fixing Its an environment where you either go 1card=6disruptions or hand trap the opponent to death Literally need a banlist as huge as a master rule But lets readdress these cards Shifter Yes i dont think its a problem for now since it only makes rouge decks playable , maybe a future hit when its actually impactful on the game and not personal experiences Princess I think princess is getting hate when you should clearly blame zealntis For the otk zealntis is who enable it . Princess added so much stability to fire decks and was good overall I dont really know about the yubel yama take Because they do a lot of combos without yama, the card is good dont get me wrong But even if you ban it they would go some other link 2 and on one less disruption maybe Dont forget that playing that unchained trap is legit a brick they could just replace it with some other handtrap and would still be good So yeah it will slightly slow them but wont hurt them Pend You literally said it Without electrumite and they still end on ip vortex harbinger apollo Thats a thing about the game environment not the deck Just like how baronne and savage bans legit hurt decks like speedroid and mannidum , electrumite ban just make them slow but they will still end on disruptions it just freeing him adding consistency
"Fenrir solos entire boards" - literally, you just.... Veiler, Imperm, Apollousa, any other bullshit removal negate when you summon it... and it's over. I cannot do anything. it's a 2400 body? Almost all decks make stronger boss monsters than this. Remember - this statement implies that you break a board - so no "but going first it's a searcher and free summon" bollocks. "Macro Cosmos will be a problem" - People forget that most decks need to send to the grave for cost, for many interactions - including defensive cards they might run like Forbidden Droplet or Droll. Macro will be a problem... in what... Floo? An unsearchable trap that you need to hard draw and is only good going first that might screw up your plays too if you are not careful. Yes.... Very problematic... Oh. And most people run at least 1 Nightmare Phoenix in their side deck just in case they play against stun so 99% of decks can out it with very little difficulty. Some decks even have targeted removal/pop on top of all these factors. Macro is simply a "win more" card. I will say that Shifter and D Barrier are wayy better since the effect actually lingers and you cannot remove it in any way. So, the same as the puppet lock. Magnamut is insane? Against some match ups sure is... but every deck has something like that. Magnamut does nothing against the meta at the moment - oh no, my bad, it hits Yubel and Branded. But Snake eyes? Tenpai? It cannot touch these decks. Ban Yama? Same as Fenrir. You Veiler and it's over. It's good, but it does not win you the game. I agree with the majority of the other takes and yes, all those "you don't get to play" strats should be stopped.
Fenrir - Obviously it doesn't always solo boards by itself, but it has. That's a thing the card is capable of doing which is kinda just bullshit on a pank that is just strictly better because of the free summon that searches itself bollocks. That part does matter - like a lot. It isn't just a board breaker that usually outs 2 of your opponent's cards (I:P/Veiler/Appo). The fact that it replaces itself, the fact that it's a free body, the fact that it's an interruption going 1st - it all contributes to the card being too generically good. Macro Cosmos - I promise you this card will see side deck play eventually in random shit because that's what people do. Yes it's win more - so is anti-spell. That's the idea. You lock in your free win by flipping up the floodgate you sided in game 2 so your opponent can no longer play yugioh. I'm sure there's a few other floodgates people would flock to before macro cosmos, but it is inevitable that this card will be a problem again someday. It's not like snake-eye really wants to have a skill drain face up on their field. They can't do much of anything under it on the opponent's turn. It's just there to lock in their free win. Also no one has ever side decked knightmare phoenix. Magnamhut - I doubt that this card will ever be banned but it's an undeniably ridiculous card that doesn't need to exist. Druiswurm is already insanely good but I find it to be way more fair than a card that searches any of one of the most populous types in the game. Most tenpai lists are maining this because why wouldn't you? Search out chundra or paidra or a 2nd bystial if you need while banishing shit like I:P from snake-eyes grave, Lo, or puppet/branded in red target. I might be biased against this card because my opponent's literally ALWAYS have this bystial and none of the other ones and it proves itself to be bullshit every time. It turns out a 2500 body to out your I:P/S:P while being dd crow and searching either another 2500 body that outs 1-2 cards or any starter/extender in your deck is kinda good. Also if you've ever had the pleasure of playing against someone regained looping magnamhut - it's not fun. Yama - Heavily pushed, overly generic card that literally makes fiend decks meta by itself. Your veiler is probably better used on samsara or beckoning beast.
"Fenrir can be killed by Veiler, Imperm" oh, you mean two unsearchable cards? You're relying on pure luck at that point AND you're forced to run a deck that can use 6+ handtraps. This is the problem with modern decks. They have 100 % consistency and the only way to break them is luck. Not even that because they're designed to go through several handtraps anyway. Since you need several handtraps just to get a chance to plag at all, you need a deck that can run 12+ handtraps and still be consistent, so everyone is forced to play Snake-Eyes and similar which is both expensive and boring to play. "Macro Cosmos isn't a problem because it can't be searched" you're contradicting yourself. Unsearchable cards cannot be a problem but unsearchable cards are a solution?
@@Pocket-Calculator This is a card game. Of course there is luck involved. Of course there will be. In the same vein, opponent might not be lucky enough to draw Fenrir in their snake eye opening hand, just like you have no imperm. I don't think we were arguing who gets luckier here.
Banned: Albion the Sanctifire Dragon Hot Red Dragon Archfiend King Calamity Worldsea Dragon Zealantis I:P Masquerena Skill Drain Limited: Snake-Eyes Flamberge Dragon Snake-Eyes Ash Summon Sorceress Aromaseraphy Jasmine Ostinato Runick Tip Heavy Storm Semi-limited: Redox, Dragon Ruler of Boulders Blaster, Dragon Ruler of Infernos Tempest, Dragon Ruler of Storms Tidal, Dragon Ruler of Waterfalls Miscellaneousaurus Kashtira Fenrir Branded Fusion Off the list: Dinowrestler Pankratops Armageddon Knight Reasoning Lightning Storm Naturia Sacred Tree Time Seal
I felt my bones creak when you said Dbarrier was 8 years old
The best is the fact that they ban baron and savage because generic omni negates are bad apparently but then they just release even more a couple months later
varuda xyz shouldnt have been made, would have made yubel more fair to deal with.
@@wolfwoodstyleblue3946 wild they made it rank 10 too as if rank 10s are in any way hard to summon lmao
@@gamingsuperun tell that to yubel jackass lol, but if you ever play against it tell me how it feels to still get Omni negated lol
@@gamingsuperun yubel makes it easy enough
@@wolfwoodstyleblue3946 Its basically just Yubel support. Not a whole lot of other rank 10 decks out there aside from maybe Earth Machine? I'd rather we just move Phatom to 1 to gimp the deck's late game capabilities, but that's just me. It actually takes a bit of set-up to loop it back into the extra deck, so putting it at 1 would be fine since it keeps the Yubel deck from bricking your hands.
The main priority rn is banning Apo, banning Flamberge (since Snake-Eye is getting new support) and banning either the link 2 Goddess or the link 1 Fiendsmith, along with eventually banning Beatrice once Fiendsmith has had some time to see play.
This past year has been the Warlords of Draenor of Yugioh
it's so sad that because of Konami's negligence Branded will forever be known as "that deck that puppet locked you"
Ngl i get the sentiment that decks like branded and lab being around and relevant for too long however aside from Sanctifire i legit think those engines are fine if we ban main deck floodgates, something we all agree should happen.
Hold on he spittin with that rant 🔥🔥
Honestly funny hearing him rant about how toxic the floodgates are for 5 minutes straight just to casually say “Colossus can come back”
Like why are people okay with the floodgate that you can turbo out consistently but not the sacky ones?
Idk if I've said it before on the channel but I wish they'd print a thunder dragon fusion that had the same summoning condition and a different effect. The game is probably better with Colossus banned overall but I'm just predicting that they will be putting it to 3 because the card hasn't really made an impact on the tcg and it's already at 3 in the ocg. Personally I do not like cards like Colossus and Winda but they are undeniably more manageable than the heinous lingering floodgates currently legal in the game.
@@ratkingdomygo On that we agree
the difference between 1 and 3 sus is only that thunder can play yugioh with multiple
the decks that are playing colossus now, you are not losing to the colossus, you are losing to the cards insulating the colossus.
Do people want all the good cards to be actually banned in yugioh nowadays ??
U have a very twisted definition of good card if u think locking your opponent out of their turn or ripping their hand should be allowed
@@Ashblossomm people approved of baroone and savage hits, which was dumb, that was a net negative lost for the community, and now the community doesnt want to ever side in backrow hate and just wants all floodgates to zero
@@wolfwoodstyleblue3946 floodgates are the game's least problem I've been playing this game for 7 years now in never in this time i was bothered by floodgates except maybe mystic mine. people became lazy at deck building just throwing staples and their engine and calling it a day that's why they hate floodgates the real problem is stuff like recycling a lingering effect every turn or shit like puppetlock that is also a lingering effect or ripping hand and the one card combos it's just making the game less interactive and harder for new players to get into by the time we stop playing this crap and go on with our lifes there will be no playerbase left because nobody looks at a game of yugioh and says "damn this game looks interesting"
@@Ashblossomm yea good points, surprised puppet lock wasn't addressed last banlist, and as for certain linger effects it's not so bad, d barrier is one I'm more less fine with, doesn't effect the most busted summoning mechanic links, and nobody is forcing players to play just fusions, synchro etc, it gives me droll vibes, as for d shifter I think it not really having a counter is annoying
@@wolfwoodstyleblue3946 Baronne and Savage were great hits. There is 0 reason to have cards that absurdly powerful completely generic and easily accessible. The issue is that Konami has amnesia and decided to just start putting out the same crap again with a different coat of paint
Shifter is by far the biggest problem on that list in my opinion lol. And I think that Apollousa deserved a ban more than Baronne, and especially more than Borreload Savage Dragon.
As a former speedroid player, I appreciate the comment on us getting taken out back and beaten to death. It really wasn't fair man.
Apallousa needs banned because its exactly decks like Snake-Eye that make it not ok and just because other decks can't make a 3-4 material Apallousa and make 2 or more other interruptions doesn't mean it should exist. If Caesar, Beatrice, and Apallousa get banned all of a sudden Snake-Eyes and future combo decks are way less overtuned and then cards like The Fiendsmith is ok at 3. Konami is being more careful with card design it just if we don't let the growing pains happen nothing will change and for what its worth 1 card combos are healthy when they aren't taken as far as Snake-Eyes. Just look at Branded without Sanctifire and Swordsoul. There isn't anything so unfair with their 1 card combos that they have to be banned. People might argue Dragoon but 1 Ash Blossom stops that from happening so what would be the problem with Branded Fusion. Its just doing what people expect fusion decks to do for fusion summoning to be good. Which is that for them to be good they normally have to be made with just the spell and cards from deck, banished, or grave. Using cards from hand or field normally isn't that good anymore and back when it was Polymerization and 2 monsters from hand fusion summoning used to be a meme. A useless mechanic to laugh at. Which only proves my point. Konami took a summoning mechanic that never used to be good and made it great.
It’s legitimately depressing to play this game sometimes. There are kashtira and snake-eye and yubel decks flooding the casual mode in master duel while I’m sitting here with my earth machine deck just tryna have fun. This game is so fucked.
Kashtira Horus and Snake Eye are literally the only things on ranked right now. Maybe Stun and a lonely Lab player.
Great video
Back in the day FTK/OTK decks were banned because they're unbalanced, boring to play against and it's unfair to not have a turn. The more consistent, the quicker it was banned, with several emergency banlists coming out.
Nowadays every single strategy is focused on OTK/FTK.
Konami dropped the ball by listening to meta players and trying to make "explosive" combo-focused decks.
Oh, and the TCG isn't the problem. OCG is just as unfun to play. The problem is that sitting for 20 minutes waiting for the opponent to finish his board and doing nothing besides discarding Blossom once; then going into your turn and having all your actions negated/destroyed (and triggering more of the opponent's combos) is inherently boring.
Tele dad literally lasted 9 months. Stfu
@@alexYu-gi-oh
1. Tele-DAD, unlike Tearlaments and Snake-Eyes, was not a prepackaged strategy created by Konami but rather a bunch of cards that, together had a lot of synergy by pure chance.
2. The entire Tele-DAD deck was cheaper than a single S:P Little Knight or Bonfire at their peak. There is a clear conflict of interests here with Konami making a lot of money out of staples.
3. Tele-DAD resulted in a sweeping banlist that made the deck pretty much useless. Meanwhile Tearlaments are still topping on Locals, it still has players on Nationals and everyone expects Snake-Eyes and Fire King to get a slap on the wrist as Fiendsmith, the next Tier 0, comes out.
4. Tele-DAD was the exception. Tier 0 formats were far and fee in between, now the game moves between Tier 0 formats every six months or so.
@@Pocket-Calculator
You are literally lying lmao
Dad was SUPER expensive! It was NOT less than the price of an SP lmao! The deck was around 800 to 1000 dollars in 2008 ffs. You clearly never played a competitive game in your life back in the days if you think dad was cheap which makes me immediately lose interest in discussing with a troll. But just to say one last thing, the game doesn't jump between tier 0 decks every 6 months, again, literally lying. The last tier 0 deck before snake eyes was tear 2 years ago and before that it was in 2018 so 4 years prior. I love old school yugioh, i play edison all the damn time but people like you just talk shit out of their ass and its annoying.
@@alexYu-gi-oh lmao you got destroyed
@@thedog7494
I didnt get destroyed, i just didny reply because his points are retarded af.
Tele dad was not cheaper than an SP thats literally a lie da fuq. Tele dad was almost a 1000 dollar deck (16 years ago, thats a crazy ass number)
And it doesn't matter if the deck was pre packaged by konami or not thats such a stupid ass argument, the deck lasted for almost a year without konami ending it.
Also we dont move between tier 0 formats every 6 months. Literally before tear we didnt have a tier 0 deck in 4 years (2018) and thats ironic because 4 years before DAD we also had a tier 0 format in chaos after invasion of chaos was released and then that lead to the very first ever ban list.
Yall are bunch of dumbasses i swear lmao. The fact that he said DAD was a cheap deck made me instantly know the type of person im talking to, a dumbass.
I love old school yugioh, i play edison alot, but that doesn't mean old yugioh was better or flawless lol
I dont agree with yama
Finally someone relatable
Yugioh is best when the meta decks revolve more around RNG. I only play master duel but unironically the most fun I had was during tear format. When metas devolve into who opens their starter and extenders like SE/FK then it's just fucking boring, it's pretty much just Mathmech/Spyral with a shorter combo. It's just the same thing over and over again. Best metas was the one where Tear and to a lesser extent branded dominated (before they turned that deck into an inconsistent pile whose win condition is just a puppetlock. Mirrorjade aint too strong nowadays
bruhh really wants unchained dead yama to zero wtf
also yubel just became tiered,
If they want to hit Yubel without killing it, they should just put Phatom to 1.
Leave Yama alone, lol.
lol just ban 66.67% of all meta staples of the current format for "balancing" no biggie
Unlimit naturia treee
no compassion for players when they dont even mention how locals got treated through 21,22,23
Bruh, everyones crying. Just Play Pokémon.
The insatiable hunger for the gameplay of yugioh cannot be filled by pokemon
@@gamingsuperun Pokémon is fun to play though.
@@Pocket-Calculator so is yugioh if you dont spend your gametime having a sook about half the cards in the format
@@Pocket-Calculator Nice one.
Nice rant tbh
You spitting hella bars. Never has someone spoke more truth.
Annihilate snake eyes and bring Baronne back. Konami tcg side has been smoking dow corning insulation lately. Yama def doesn't need hit the biggest issue of old cards is Opening of the Spirit Gates.
TCG has typically been fun because we have heavier ban lists that keep things in check unlike OCG which leaves broken power cards/strategies intact hoping Maxx C balances them out, but recently they just stopped hitting... anything.
Shifter is fair
Literally only rouge and tier 3 decks use it like kash floo and ritual beast
Stop crying about it holy fuck
Yama banned is insane, yubel can still do their combo and even more without him
Wanting princess Banned just show you really dont pay attention to where the problem is in the combos
And finally the pendulum hate for gods sake
Pendulum have electrumite in ocg and md and it’s completely fine and does nothing
Tcg players I swear they always want cards banned based on their personal experience against them not on a comprehensive basis
"Shifter is fair"
Do I even need to say anything? Like are you trolling? A card stealing wins by itself is never fair. I'll give you that now is probably the worst time ever to ban it because it's basically the only hand trap that can do anything to fiendsmith by itself but calling shifter fair because exactly right now the decks playing it aren't good enough is a 20 iq take. Don't forget exosister, floo, spright, and runick consistently staying competitive because of a card with hardly any counterplay that creates non-games. Anyone defending Shifter is advocating for shit card design to compete with other shit card design. How about we just fix the game instead?
"Yubel can do their combos without Yama"
But the deck becomes a whole lot worse. If Yama wasn't a ridiculously strong card, Yubel players wouldn't bother playing it and 2 cards they don't really want to open in their deck, but literally every single list does because it adds a ton of resilience to your combo and end board. I'm assuming they aren't going to hit it but it's more likely they hit that than they hit an actual Yubel card because that's how Konami works.
"Wanting princess Banned just show you really dont pay attention to where the problem is in the combos"
Oh Princess isn't a problem? The monster that requires 2+ effect monsters. Any effect monsters so you can make it with any charmer. The monster that non targeting reborns any fire. The monster used to kill your opponent with Zealantis because for some reason it isn't banished when it leaves the field after being reborned. The card that gives you interruption through basically every board breaker and infinite followup. Yeah it's only like the most pushed link monster ever. It is THE problem card.
"Pend Hate waah"
Pend doing nothing makes no difference to me. People love - absolute ADORE shitting on break-my-board infinite negate combo decks and yet 2 seconds later they say bring back electrumite. Every pendulum deck right now might take a different path to get there but always ends up being a cancer end board of I:P, Appo, Vortex dragon. Maybe they spice it up with a secret village, a hope harbinger, a mighty master. It's just negates and floodgates dude. Why do you want more decks like that in the game?
"Tcgplayers don't think. They aren't as smart as me, I'm so smart. Shifter is fair."
Have you actually considered what the game would be like with my made up, fake banlist? All this list is doing is making the game healthier by lowering the ceiling and resilience of the top decks, and lowering the chance of non-games by removing floodgates that should have been banned years ago. This list drops, it is a net positive for player agency.
@@ratkingdomygo
Regarding the overall game environment which i dont think your banlist was addressing or fixing
Its an environment where you either go 1card=6disruptions or hand trap the opponent to death
Literally need a banlist as huge as a master rule
But lets readdress these cards
Shifter
Yes i dont think its a problem for now since it only makes rouge decks playable , maybe a future hit when its actually impactful on the game and not personal experiences
Princess
I think princess is getting hate when you should clearly blame zealntis
For the otk zealntis is who enable it .
Princess added so much stability to fire decks and was good overall
I dont really know about the yubel yama take
Because they do a lot of combos without yama, the card is good dont get me wrong
But even if you ban it they would go some other link 2 and on one less disruption maybe
Dont forget that playing that unchained trap is legit a brick they could just replace it with some other handtrap and would still be good
So yeah it will slightly slow them but wont hurt them
Pend
You literally said it
Without electrumite and they still end on ip vortex harbinger apollo
Thats a thing about the game environment not the deck
Just like how baronne and savage bans legit hurt decks like speedroid and mannidum , electrumite ban just make them slow but they will still end on disruptions it just freeing him adding consistency
"Fenrir solos entire boards" - literally, you just.... Veiler, Imperm, Apollousa, any other bullshit removal negate when you summon it... and it's over. I cannot do anything. it's a 2400 body? Almost all decks make stronger boss monsters than this.
Remember - this statement implies that you break a board - so no "but going first it's a searcher and free summon" bollocks.
"Macro Cosmos will be a problem" - People forget that most decks need to send to the grave for cost, for many interactions - including defensive cards they might run like Forbidden Droplet or Droll. Macro will be a problem... in what... Floo? An unsearchable trap that you need to hard draw and is only good going first that might screw up your plays too if you are not careful. Yes.... Very problematic... Oh. And most people run at least 1 Nightmare Phoenix in their side deck just in case they play against stun so 99% of decks can out it with very little difficulty. Some decks even have targeted removal/pop on top of all these factors. Macro is simply a "win more" card.
I will say that Shifter and D Barrier are wayy better since the effect actually lingers and you cannot remove it in any way. So, the same as the puppet lock.
Magnamut is insane? Against some match ups sure is... but every deck has something like that. Magnamut does nothing against the meta at the moment - oh no, my bad, it hits Yubel and Branded. But Snake eyes? Tenpai? It cannot touch these decks.
Ban Yama? Same as Fenrir. You Veiler and it's over. It's good, but it does not win you the game.
I agree with the majority of the other takes and yes, all those "you don't get to play" strats should be stopped.
Fenrir - Obviously it doesn't always solo boards by itself, but it has. That's a thing the card is capable of doing which is kinda just bullshit on a pank that is just strictly better because of the free summon that searches itself bollocks. That part does matter - like a lot. It isn't just a board breaker that usually outs 2 of your opponent's cards (I:P/Veiler/Appo). The fact that it replaces itself, the fact that it's a free body, the fact that it's an interruption going 1st - it all contributes to the card being too generically good.
Macro Cosmos - I promise you this card will see side deck play eventually in random shit because that's what people do. Yes it's win more - so is anti-spell. That's the idea. You lock in your free win by flipping up the floodgate you sided in game 2 so your opponent can no longer play yugioh. I'm sure there's a few other floodgates people would flock to before macro cosmos, but it is inevitable that this card will be a problem again someday. It's not like snake-eye really wants to have a skill drain face up on their field. They can't do much of anything under it on the opponent's turn. It's just there to lock in their free win. Also no one has ever side decked knightmare phoenix.
Magnamhut - I doubt that this card will ever be banned but it's an undeniably ridiculous card that doesn't need to exist. Druiswurm is already insanely good but I find it to be way more fair than a card that searches any of one of the most populous types in the game. Most tenpai lists are maining this because why wouldn't you? Search out chundra or paidra or a 2nd bystial if you need while banishing shit like I:P from snake-eyes grave, Lo, or puppet/branded in red target. I might be biased against this card because my opponent's literally ALWAYS have this bystial and none of the other ones and it proves itself to be bullshit every time. It turns out a 2500 body to out your I:P/S:P while being dd crow and searching either another 2500 body that outs 1-2 cards or any starter/extender in your deck is kinda good. Also if you've ever had the pleasure of playing against someone regained looping magnamhut - it's not fun.
Yama - Heavily pushed, overly generic card that literally makes fiend decks meta by itself. Your veiler is probably better used on samsara or beckoning beast.
@@ratkingdomygo my bad, I meant to say "extra deck", not side for phoenix.
"Fenrir can be killed by Veiler, Imperm" oh, you mean two unsearchable cards? You're relying on pure luck at that point AND you're forced to run a deck that can use 6+ handtraps.
This is the problem with modern decks. They have 100 % consistency and the only way to break them is luck. Not even that because they're designed to go through several handtraps anyway. Since you need several handtraps just to get a chance to plag at all, you need a deck that can run 12+ handtraps and still be consistent, so everyone is forced to play Snake-Eyes and similar which is both expensive and boring to play.
"Macro Cosmos isn't a problem because it can't be searched" you're contradicting yourself. Unsearchable cards cannot be a problem but unsearchable cards are a solution?
@@Pocket-Calculator This is a card game. Of course there is luck involved. Of course there will be. In the same vein, opponent might not be lucky enough to draw Fenrir in their snake eye opening hand, just like you have no imperm. I don't think we were arguing who gets luckier here.
@@Pocket-Calculator Also, Veiler is searchable because it is a low level tuner.
Banned:
Albion the Sanctifire Dragon
Hot Red Dragon Archfiend King Calamity
Worldsea Dragon Zealantis
I:P Masquerena
Skill Drain
Limited:
Snake-Eyes Flamberge Dragon
Snake-Eyes Ash
Summon Sorceress
Aromaseraphy Jasmine
Ostinato
Runick Tip
Heavy Storm
Semi-limited:
Redox, Dragon Ruler of Boulders
Blaster, Dragon Ruler of Infernos
Tempest, Dragon Ruler of Storms
Tidal, Dragon Ruler of Waterfalls
Miscellaneousaurus
Kashtira Fenrir
Branded Fusion
Off the list:
Dinowrestler Pankratops
Armageddon Knight
Reasoning
Lightning Storm
Naturia Sacred Tree
Time Seal
Jasmine deserves a ban. Flamberge limit doesnt do much, I'd rather see Original banned.