Harley-Davidson Exhaust Questions Answered (FAQs) - Warranty, Tuners, Stage Kits
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- Опубликовано: 18 янв 2024
- Frequently asked questions regarding After-Market Exhaust get answered. Matt and Steve of Laidlaw's Harley-Davidson sit down and talk about different exhaust options and the most common questions that get asked. They cover everything from different types of pipes to how different exhaust options may affect your warranty coverage. If you're thinking about swapping out your exhaust but don't know what best for your situation then this video could help with some answers.
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Hey Steve, after you guys mentioned the Screamin Eagle option on the ESP, I double checked mine and sure enough it's not checked. If I were to install a torque cam and SE tuner would the warranty implications be that the failure wouldn't be covered at all or just that the cost of the SE part (say it was a bad cam that then did other internal damage) wouldn't be covered?
Good question. The cam would have a 1 year (parts only) warranty that wouldn’t cover other parts in the bike or labor. If you want to be covered you do have the option of cancelling your warranty (receive a prorated refund applied to your loan balance) then buy a new warranty with the SE coverage. If you’re still under your first two years of ownership the warranty is considered “extended eligibility” and is only slightly more expensive than if you bought it when the bike was brand new. If you’re outside your 2 year manufacturers warranty than it becomes an “anytime warranty” and costs more. If you do this make sure you purchase the coverage BEFORE you install the parts. Also make sure the parts are installed at a dealership who RECORDS THE PARTS ON YOUR SWR (sales warranty registration).
Hey did you guys make a video on the SE torque cam install?
Glad I don’t live in Cali but will say Matt and his dealership seem absolutely top notch! My 07 RKC I bought new when I came back from the sandbox (OIF). 100k+ later and not many HD parts in motor any longer but it still checks all the boxes without the dealer involvement. Dyno done, cams, new cases and DD7 etc etc but it’s all mine, no MoCo to be involved. Ride safe.
Great information and the audio quality was great! Once again nicely done on your content!
Much appreciated!
Great thorough explanation of various options. Thanks !
Glad it was helpful!
You cleared up a few things for me, thank you. I've bought seven new Harleys since '96. No warranty issues,both Lowriders and the Dresser modified for fast with Screaming Eagle parts. Heads ,pistons,cams.The dealer can help a lot with a claim,a few different ways.👏👏👏
Great comment. Thanks for the input.
Love to hear a discussion about service done by a dealership vs doing it yourself and the effects of doing your own service intervals on your factory warranty.
Love the standard exhaust on my 2001 Sportster 1200S. Look good, sound good and saved me a fortune.😊
Great information, as always.
Yeah I’ve done big radius exhausts on my Breakout previously. The bike looked amazing and sounded awesome! But the sound on the highway drove me crazy. These days I ride a RG and have Jekill & Hyde slip ons and silence the pipes on longer runs when my head starts buzzin. One of the advantages of J&H is that even though I’m upgrading to a 131 Stage 3, I’ll still be able to manage the sound even with better performance. Nice vlog guys 👍
Yea those are cool pipes. Very popular in Europe. Good option for your use case
Great segment.
Very Informative...Thanks Guys!!!
Thanks for watching!
Always Excellent content Always enjoy your input and expertise. If I lived in LA ? You would be my chosen dealer hands down. Thanks again
Thanks for this video.
Felt Heat is another very important reason not listed in the video that would definitely have me lean towards full exhausts and I live in CA. I wear earplugs and I can definitely tone down the sound (smaller diameter pipes), etc. 100 degree + weather is tough to ride in period, but 100 degree + weather with your right leg cooking from the engine heat is the worst thing ever for me.
Nice job guys. 🤟🏼
It's funny watching you guys from Florida. All dressed up like there's a snow storm inside your studio... lol
They keep it cold inside to save money and keep the workers from getting agitated
As an experienced long time Rider(45 years)...My advice if you care about your warranty?....Just put a pair of the cheapest Slipons...Cobra 909's or Neighborhaters or simliar....For 2years and after....Put whatever you want( perferrably Aftermarket Full exhaust...Tune...and maybe a cam...)...And you will have no problems..👍😎
The first part is terrible advice. Not all dealers are the same. Some will void your warranty for any exhaust modifications.
@@3percentmick705 If you listened to Laidlaw....He says that its not up to the dealer but HD corp....
2020 limited 114 put cobra 4" slip-ons and a SE oval air cleaner assembly ,no tuner runs perfect no decal pop , plugs look great great acceleration , 43 mpg. currently @ 45k .
@3percentmick705 a pair of mufflers won’t get your warranty voided. This guys advice is pretty solid assuming you want what he’s suggesting.
@@MattLaidlaw tell that to Redstone Harley in Huntsville, AL.
Nice awesome job guys on letting us know the real legal way to put different stuff on your bike and still be with in the factory warranty!! You guys need to keep doing videos like this because it keeps us HD riders in check on what you can do to your bike..Like you guys said most dealerships will sell you stuff and you think that what some of the guys at the dealership tells you is believable untill your bike breaks down and you find out the hardway that it's not covered under your extended warranty that you have paid alot of $$$$ for to keep your HD bike on the road for many many years and miles...Wish there were more guys like you guys from your local dealerships that really really care about there customers and making them happy and want them to come back for services offered by the dealerships!!😊😁🤔😎💯👍🤝
I appreciate the comment. Yes, that’s always our objective to educate riders so they can make the most informed decision. I glad our content is coming off that way
From articles I have read, my understanding is, you can install whatever part you want by whoever and not void your warranty. Only if that particular part is negatively associated with problems is when you are out of luck. Harley has been "corrected" by Federal law that you do not need to be bound by Harley parts under warranty.
Exactly
This is true. (Magnuson-moss Act) However you increase your chances of warranty claims being denied when your engine is running outside of HDs specs that have been tested by them (aftermarket tuner). The likelihood of this being detected is higher through the assistance of digital technicians. In this video our goal was to explain the most common occurrences of “particular parts negatively associated with problems” as they relate to exhaust upgrades. Also, they best way to avoid particular parts being negatively associated with after market parts.
Very interesting and informative vlog Steve and Matt. In several places during the video you show the FXR. Is there any CARB rules for older bikes to be registered in California? Thank you 🇺🇸
Great video
Very informative guys thanks....I have a 2023 Breakout what slip-ons would you guys recommend ?
I have an 18 Heritage 114 with slip-ons that I bought used from the dealer. It has the Screaming Eagle tuner on it and came with the full warrantee. I love the power with the low down torque. If I want something with high end power I will ride one of my other bikes built for that. I don't think I would like my Harley if it was built for max power because of how I ride and the stock power delivers a lot more smiles. If I ever buy a touring model I don't even know if I would add slip-ons. I feel like it would get old over a long ride.
Good conversation and information 🤘⚡️🤘✨✨✨✨
Thank you 🙌 Dave
Thanks for the great information! I have a 2011 Ultra with Vance & Hines monster ovals (slip ons) and a Harley stage 1 air kit. The local shop (non-Harley) installed a non-Harley tuner as well. What cam can you recommend for my bike to give me a bump in torque/hp at the 2.5k-4K RPM range? And...should I also go with a Harley Pro Street tuner? Thanks.
Hi Matt and Steve that's great advice. What is the best product to clean and polish the black exhausts on my road glide limited? Thanks for the class video guys. Nigel from Ireland.
I was hoping you’d talk about the wide band sensors and whatnot can help with. I’m considering an S&S carb 2/1. I have a 2019 RG Spec. Currently running a stage 2 torque cam SE tuned at dealer and an open header with KhromeWerks muffs..insert installed to compensate for reverb/backpressure. I can’t stand the heat on stock header but I do understand the cat is further back in the S&S and has the larger 18 mm O2 sensors etc. I do believe we can still get stage 3 work at Cali dealers right?
A Harley dealer told me that Road Glide Special and Street Glide Special or the 114cu engine already has a high flow air cleaner that can be swapped out for a screaming eagle air cleaner without the tune since the 114 already has a stage 1 tune. 26:40 Do you agree with that?
At video. My question is about the twin cam. I have a Fatboy S that was stock. I put a pair of slip on on it. Do I need to tune it? It has the hiflow air cleaner from the factory and I didn’t mess with that. I do notice a fuel smell when I shut it off after riding. Does that mean it needs to be tuned?
Can you talk in depth on header/primary length on 2-1 exhaust and how that plays into performance. Is a longer header always better for performance? Also how much does a stepped header make a difference.
This is the exact information I was looking for. Was thinking I wanted to put a Sawicki exhaust on a 24 LRS but didn't know what tune I could use. Was thinking of going with a SE tuner (to keep warranty) but I didn't know if that would work well enough. (I'm in NC)
You should be able to tune your bike with the pro street tuner.
A lot of good info… I’m not in California…what are your thoughts on a rinehart slimline duals exhaust from headers back to their slip on 4.5” mufflers…they have one with bronze accents that would look good with my bike…should I also get the Harley tuner with that? And is back pressure an issue ? Or would a tune at the dealer address that? On My 2022 street glide st? Would this increase performance at all? And would getting added warranty with SE be beneficial?
What would you recommend for slip bonds to put on a two thousand sixteen f l h t k ul try limit it to get a better sound I have the screaming illegal exhaustion isn't quite enough but I don't want it too loud either so should I go with a ryan hart pipe or a danc in hines pipe or cobra pipe for just slip ones to get a bigger lower rumble sound without being too loud
What are your thoughts on back pressure created by some exhaust systems from header back? Thinking of replacing exhaust on my 2022 street glide st with header back exhaust by rinehart slimline duals with 4.5” mufflers… you don’t need to comment specifically on this exhaust system but our thoughts on back pressures in exhausts like this and how it may affect engine life and if performance would be improved along with Harley tuner…I’m not in California
So I have a 22 street glide st. I put Vance and Hines slip ons on the bike. Do I need to tune the bike so it runs richer? Or will the computer compensate?
So i can get any exhaust i want but use the harley tuner. This will protect my warranty? So anything internal has to be harley, anything outside can be anything. Im still confused on the "big risk". Can i not do a full exhaust with a harley tuner? Or are you saying i can only do a slip on with a tuner?
@ 2:51 is that a Gold throttle body on an M8 ? Do you have a part number for that by chance ? Thanks for the videos ! Always great content from laidlaw 💯
Yes it is. I believe it’s an HPi part. I don’t have a part number.
Can you add screaming eagle protection to already purchased esp?
Matt, I just purchased a Jekyll & Hyde exhaust that is sold in 49 states except CA. I live in CA. Can I use the Screamin Eagle Tuner to tune my bike? I have a 2019 Breakout that is not under warranty.
Of all the Harley content creators I get the most out of your stuff, Matt. I live in the Free State of Florida and your SoCal takes make me all the more glad I do. That said, the enthusiasts in your state should be thankful to have you there as a beacon of light within a seemingly growing darkness creep. Keep up the great work and I look forward to every installment. You and your team put a lot into your vids and the production quality reflects that...
Hey guys, I have a 2019 softail slim. I bought it used, so no concern for warranty, I live in Oregon, takes care of the California thing. Shortly after I got it, I wanted to make it a little louder, as people still have a hard time seeing me even though I wear a bright white full-face helmet and a bright orange vest when I ride. After doing a little research on RUclips I decided to go with Vance and Hines 2 into 2 big radius, Vance and Hines A02 air intake and a FP-4 tuner. My question is, how much, if any legal hassle could I be subjected to traveling in and through California? BTW You're the reason I choose the Softail Slim thanks I absolutely love the bike.
i would like to see some performance stuff for the rev max, I have a supertrapp muffler on my pan am, and I'll need the better air cleaner, but would definately like to see some type of tuner for air/fuel mixture....maybe with the new 24's will be different, I've noticed the wiring harness and bcm/ecm are different part numbers.....
Is that a specific HPI pipe on that ST at 1:17 ? Been wanting to switch my pipe to a stainless but have the same hard bags and feel the original hpi upsweep wouldn’t fit
I have a 2022 SgS, I have tab performance .50 cals and I want to do a cam...I don't want to spend the money to do a whole exhaust....but I would like a little more power. I'm not a Dyno nut...so I'm not worried about paper numbers....can I drop a cam, oil pump and cam plate in without doing a whole exhaust
I just bought a 2023 Nightster special, what is the best affordable exhaust I can get without messing up my warranty I’m just looking to get genuine Harley sound unfortunately, my Harley Davidson dealership is more interested in selling me the most expensive overpriced instead of what I really need I appreciate all input. Thank you.
You guys should mention the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act which basically states you can use any tuner you want as long as it is EPA compliant, and some other interesting rulings. Also a comment was made that loosing backpressure is bad. That is inaccurate, the issue is with velocity and reversion. Just my 2 cents
Not me! I love my loud TAB 50 Cals on my SGST on my marathon rides…….
Helpful information thanks,i was told if i put on tab performance slip ons it would void my warranty
Na, that’s BS. I’ve never seen a warranty claim denied over just mufflers.
Damn lol. I just put Tab slip ons on my week old ‘24 Road Glide.
What’s the reason the screaming eagle tuners haven’t been released for California 23-24 models? Any prediction on when they will drop in Cali?
I just bought a 23 FXLRS. I do not live in CA. From what I understand the catalyst is in the mufflers not the head pipe. If I add slip on's that do not have a catalyst am I voiding my warranty? For clarification I was looking at the S&S Grand National race mufflers. No cat's.
It's also my understanding that if I want the motor to run properly as far as air/fuel ratio it's best to add a tuner or have it tuned. This must be done with the Screaming Eagle tuner if I want to retain my factory warranty.
Do you have to have the screamin eagle parts installed by a dealer in order for it to be covered under warranty? Im debating on going with screamin eagle parts to keep my warranty but im not paying their hourly rates for simple stuff i can do in my garage.
It's hard to have real fun in Commiefornia. Just my 2 cents. 😆
Greetings from Bavaria!
22:40 CANDY TANGERINE FXR! My first Harley. Who knew the rabbit hole went this deep?
Regarding warrenty claims: what percentage of M8 motors have failed before 100K miles?
I’d be interested to know how cutting a carbon canister out without tuning could damage or detonate your engine. Are the modern engines that fragile?
excelent topic ,I’m still under warranty, what do you recommend for 2022 RGST 117 . Torque, and sound California
Probably a SE stage 2 (torque cam) with a good pipe. Choose the pipe based on your style preference and how loud you want it to be. S&S is a safe bet. If you want something real loud do a Bassani, thunderheader, or Two Brothers, or Cobra. There’s a bunch of good ones out there.
I have always driven with open pipes Night Rod Special Breakout, but I don't want this anymore, I sometimes drive to Germany and they are very strict there, and too much is too much noise, now on my road glide anniversary I have slipp ons from Bassani and These are a little louder, but nice sound and not too loud, and I like it that way, and I don't have to worry about a police report
to be honest, too much sound is outdated, it is better to have a quiet, deep, beautiful sound, this is much nicer
I have a 2003 harley road king. I changed to samson pipes and new air cleaner. For the age of the bike it's an (88) do I need a tuner?
Just had the same lifter failure in my 22 Road Glide ST, thankfully I am still under factory warranty.
I get the same questions working a parts counter at a H-D dealership. I am glad there is someone out there to lay everything out because a lot of people don’t know the ins and outs of warranty.
Thanks for the comment. Keep sellin’ those HD parts.
Guessing that if you put a “Raiders” sticker on your bike it would void the warranty of any motorcycle. LOL #SteelerNation
Do you think a 2-1 with a screaming eagle tuner will still run too lean?
If I get a 2-1 and wait a while to take it in to get tuned do I void warrenty?
Fuel sender warranty claim was denied at my dealership due to aftermarket tuner (Dynojet). Now my fuel gauge shows half full when I fill up. This is a known issue with M8 Softail, that the float sensor can fail, but dealer claim failure is due to tune. Dynojet had never heard of their tunes causing this issue.
You should ask the dealer to see the manual review from Harley Davidson. Matt talks about your bike warranty is at risk is but goes through a review. You may have a lazy dealership that didn’t submit it. There would be a written review from HD corporate. If the dealership won’t show you find another dealer.
Float sensor isn’t part of the drive train. The two are unrelated. Get a second opinion.
Typical Harley “Service” BS…
Will drag pipes and a se tuner be fine ?
Pretty crazy how much California has Harley dealerships hands tied with their abysmally slow CARB approval rate. 2 model years of bikes that have zero performance support of Screamin' eagle parts. It has to be more frustrating for you guys than even the customers. California is costing Laidlaws and all CA dealers tens of thousands of dollars in unsold parts and labor because of it.
You’re 100% right. We’ve lost a ton of potential service revenue because of these restrictions.
I am not from Cali and therefore think their regs and rules are out of hand to some extent. HOWEVER - If I lived in Cali and bought a brand new bike and wanted it tuned, etc.. Could I not just take the bike across to Nevada or into Oregon, etc.. Get the work done outside of Cali? Just curious how this works?
I went with slip ons and a stage 1, it's honestly more than enough power out of a 114.
114 is good power for sure.
Great information, guys. Sorry for you guys being subject to the "left coast" rules, but you do have the better riding seasons. Maybe it's a wash?....😂😅😊
Florida weather is nice. No helmet laws or emissions either. It’s pretty flat and straight though.
Haha. Yea the rules suck but the riding out here is fantastic. I’m okay calling it a wash.
@mattlaidlaw Matt, interested in your take on an “after cat” modification. For instance I have a ‘23 CVO RG. I know of a company that offers a service to pull out the “restrictor” from the stock pipe. Would that affect warranty? Performance issues? My gut says this would be similar in both warranty and performance like swapping just slip on mufflers. What do you think? I would go this route mainly because I have the dark platinum paint and the smoked chrome and want to keep that look. The bike is a CA bike.
Meant to add I’m only looking for a sound gain while not losing performance or losing my CVO stock pipe appearance 😁
All new tuners are EPA compliant and Harley now does not void your warranty. They no longer have the Fuel pack 3 tuner. They went to the fuel pack 4. Fuel pack Dyno Jet and the others are all equal under Harleys rule.
Have things changed? In 2011 I bought a new Road King and did the stage one, no mention of a tuner however the shop did do some ECM tuning after they installed the mufflers and air cleaner. Do you have to buy the tuner now?
Things have changed. Since the Milwaukee Eight engines came out there is a now a physical tuner that is used to tune the bike (shown in video). The tuner does not stay on the bike but does get “married” to the bike so it can only be used on that one vin. Before the M8 there was just a download a dealer did.
Thank you sir, I really enjoy your quality videos and have been following you for a while. Keep it up!
Done
Can you cover installing your own parts? Screamin Eagle parts come with instructions, if you install an SE cam yourself for example you’re still under warranty right?
This is a good question. So you get a 1 year parts warranty when you buy parts. It covers the parts only.
For a part, like a cam that can be covered under ESP - Screamin eagle coverage to be covered, it needs to be installed at a dealership. I think partly because they want to ensure it was done by someone who is a certified technician and secondly the work order needs to be recorded in the motorcycles warranty and registration form.
if you live in OR and buy a bike in OR you can still do road trips down CA right? to be clear you can in fact register your OR bike in CA after some conditions are met? lets say id like to do some road trips up and down the west coast and might want to move back to CA or have that option
Yea you can ride in CA with any bike that’s out of state. You just can’t register a motorcycle in CA that wasn’t shipped from the factory with the proper emissions equipment that makes it CA compliant. Until it has 7,500 miles on it. Then you can register it.
I want to put a cobra pro chamber head pipe on my 22 road glide limited. I have a stage 1 tune in my bike do I need to re tune my bike if I put these pipes on? My Harley dealer says no. Thanks Ernie from Ohio
They might be right. I’m not entirely sure. Every pipe runs a little different. My guess is that it will run okay to good. But I would assume it won’t run 100% as good as it could without a tailored tune for that pipe.
What are your thoughts on a Reinhardt slimline duals exhaust from headers back with 4.5” mufflers and a Harley screaming eagle pro street tuner… on my 2022 street glide st…I like the copper accents that compliment the scheme of my bike…it seems to be compliant with warranty…but what about back pressure issues that I have read many things about and not sure what to believe about hurting my engine…can you elaborate on this? Your input would be greatly appreciated…wanting to enhance looks, sound and performance…would this combo do all three? I would have my local dealer Mike’s Famous Harley Davidson do the work as they have been doing a great job on past bikes I have purchased with them and are a great asset….love all of your posts by the way 👍
I have a 2021 Streetglide Special 114 I didn’t change the air intake as it comes stock with the high flow Ventilator but I did change the filter to a K&N and I added Rinehart 4.5 slip ons with a HD screaming eagle street tuner. It sounds awesome no decel popping gets 45 mpg and runs like raped ape! The Rinehart slip ons are EPA and CARB legal!
So if you live in california just go to Nevada or Arizona for the tune
Anyone notice the mic stands set up to look like a set of bars ?
Why will a good two into one grenade the engine? Im running a vance and hines 2 into 1 it doesn't run lean and the plugs reflect that.
They won’t all grenade your motor. Steve was giving a worst case scenario
Some slip ons work better than some 2 into 1 in terms of torque.. and you get more than 1hp difference from a stage 1.
Do the new bikes come with the high flow air intake from factory?
Would be great if they do.
Matt, I have a 2022 lowriderst with a thrashin brake pedal. If I wanted to get the S&S 2 into one exhaust, do I have to get that ugly S&S brake pedal?
As long as you can space it out away from the exhaust then you're good. That may require some ingenuity on your part if you don't want to get that pedal
2022 models have Carb compliant Screaming Eagle tunes available now?
Yes. The ones mentioned by Steve.
Stage 2?
I did a stage II screaming eagle torque cam, SE oil pump and SE Cam plate and tuner installed at the dealership 2021 Electra Glide Standard and I still get the deceleration pop, any suggestions. San Diego
It could be due to your pipe. What pipe did you use. When using a lot of aftermarket pipes some deceleration pop is normal.
@@MattLaidlaw Rinehart DBX 4.5
What slip on I can use on my low rider s that is not too loud
Check out S&S, rinehart,
I wish my local HD dealer gave a damn like you guys seem to. I would never trust my HD dealer to navigate these decisions.
Hopefully this helps with making your future exhaust choices. Thanks for the comment.
Is the rule on the bike from out of state, only less than 6.5K? I got mine in Las Vegas at the end of 2022. It had 42.6K on it at the time. It is the 115th Ultra Limited. I had the 45k and 50k services done by your service department.
Typically, your bike must have at least 7500 miles if you’re bringing it in from out of state, unless it’s a 50 state bike. (CARB sticker on frame). There are a few other exceptions, like if you’re moving to California, or you’re in the military.
www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/handbook/vehicle-industry-registration-procedures-manual-2/nonresident-vehicles/motorcycles-and-newer-year-models/
I tried to stay with the SE BCI tuner. First time out trying to auto tune, it bricked my ECM and forced me to tow it to a dealer. They were able to recover my ECM. I immediately removed the crap SE tuner, and went full aftermarket. WOODS 22XE, 5.5 injectors, S&S intake, Trask AC, D&D billet cat exhaust. I’ve put 5,000 miles with zero issues. It’s only my experience but aftermarket parts far outperform Harley SE parts.
And the warranty? Buy a factory manual, learn how to repair your own machine if you want to play. Pay to play….
The " digital tach " aka the spy in your ECU
Would the factory void a warranty if a CA resident went to AZ and got the SE tuner installed by the dealer there?
No
if you want to go all out buy a good used one than you can upgrade everything without breaking any warranty
Because the warranty coverage is already expired? That’s an interesting logic.
What is the most recommended Screamin Eagle breather for Stage 1/2 use? I want to install a Screamin Eagle Stage 2 at a later date but want to buy the appropriate breather while doing the Stage 1.
Feuling B / A or Trask air cleaner
by the way, SE tuner and cams suck, use a Power Vision tuner and 30 / 30 or Woods WM8-22xe cam, do not waste your $$$ on a SE cam unless it's just about maintaining your warranty
Any SE air cleaner will work. You’re mostly buying the style when choosing between the SE air cleaners. Some of the heavy breathers that are a “snorkel” style are a little better performance wise from our experience but it’s a nominal difference.
Fueling and trask make good stuff but to say SE parts are junk is just bad Info. I never really understood this argument. You realize SE parts are designed by the same company that made the bikes right? So are the motorcycles junk too? If so why are you riding it? The SE products have more testing and R&D behind them than any aftermarket parts out there. The only argument that could be made is that SE can be less potent because they follow regulations that some of the other guys don’t feel the need to and operate under less strenuous parameters to ensure better longevity.
you're right, sorry about that, I should have said that the SE parts do not provide as much performance due to EPA and warranty concerns@@MattLaidlaw
I have a 2021 low rider with SPC pipe and after market tuner (power vision), can I still get a screaming eagle tuner?
You’d have to remove the power vision to install the SE tuner. Are you thinking about doing that to preserve your warranty? If so, just know that it’s possible your VIN is already flagged and installing a SE tuner won’t reserve the status. So you’d be wasting your money in that circumstance
Thanks for the advice.
Then I think a law came out, forget what it’s called, but they have to be able to prove the failure was a result of the aftermarket mod to deny the claim. I can see some wanting to go ahead and take the chance saying as you can spend 3-5k in the aftermarket and get the same numbers as that new crate 135 which will probably be over 10k installed. As you say, the trade off there is warranty! I’m lucky to be in Iowa where we can do pretty much whatever we want to them.
Can I go through you for pricing on the ESP! I got a 23 RG
Yes, call us. Ask for Nick.
Watched a RUclips video from Mastertech Miller. He replaced a Screaming Eagle breather on a 2023 CVO Road Glide and picked up 10 Hp without tuner, without exhaust. So, I decided to replace the breather on my 2023 CVO Road Glide. When my dealer heard what I was planning, they told me not to bother unless I added a tuner and an exhaust and did a Stage 1 upgrade. So, I am adding an SE tuner and a Khromewerks exhaust. My goal is additional performance, not noise. Does this make sense?
no upgraded cam / no upgraded performance
ruclips.net/video/0cvpF6xceTs/видео.htmlsi=XOxi4ftLVN-KGb2p
Please watch and tell me what you think.
I’ll be honest, we have not done any air filter mods like this on the new 2023 CVOs with the VVT. This guy seems credible being from a dealer. I’m confused though. It sounds like he got 2 HP. Or did I hear him wrong? Personally I think if all your after is performance you won’t get very much bang for your buck with this upgrade. If you want to get rid of the big Intake for the better looking air cleaner and more sound with a different style pipe - than I think it’s money well spent.
@@MattLaidlaw Thank you. I’ll watch again. You’re right, 2HP isn’t worth the $ this will cost me.
So what happened to tunning outside of epa emission standards voiding warranty?
I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Maybe you’re referring to all the misinformation that was going around the internet a while back. I will say that that if you use an aftermarket tuner that tunes a bike outside of the EPA regulations chances are you’re going to have a very hard time getting power train warranty claims approved.
@@MattLaidlaw www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2022/06/ftc-takes-action-against-harley-davidson-westinghouse-illegally-restricting-customers-right-repair-0
The 2023 bikes can’t be tuned on SEPST for catless headpipes or any non SE parts (cams and shit hot air cleaners and slip ons)
Your dealership is under construction. When would the remodeling be done Matt?
Yes, we hope in April. That’s the goal.
Holy Shit! Carb approved for 2021 touring models?!?!?!?!?!? What air cleaners are approved?