I did still technically have covid when filming this a bit back so I do look a tad rough. I thankfully recovered fast and made it to the vegan campout where someone said, "I don't need sunscreen because I am vegan" !!! Also for your convenience, here is the SEED link and remember MIC15 at checkout: thld.co/seed_mic15_0722
I've seen people who look rough, you look pretty damn good for looking pretty rough. We better make sure we lock the world down, the disease is so severe and symptom specific, hadn't you mentioned anything nobody would have ever known you had it.. we better keep following the science and ignore basic reasoning.
Good to hear you are well. How many cycles did they run the PCR test? Why don't you put same energy and research into covid as you do for everything else? I thought you research everything and question everything.
Thank you for making this video! I am a dermatologist, a skin cancer surgeon, and I am vegan. I see this now way too often- that sunscreens are carcinogenic. It's quite the opposite. Sunscreen is the most important thing we can do for skin cancer prevention (and anti-aging). Mineral sunscreens are what I recommend, and as you said, gone are the white-cast faces. We do recommend Vitamin D supplements instead of laying out in the sun to get Vitamin D. And there is no evidence that sunscreen application in normal amounts reduces vitamin D synthesis, as you also pointed out. Great video!
How can you say a pill that contains vitamin D reacts the same as the most powerful source of vitamin D to the brain? To the blood? This is such bullshit. The rays of sun are incredibly powerful thus you do not need to Lay in it all the time, but definitely absorb it. Most people are getting sick, have eye problems because of all this extreme exposure to artificial light.
What do you think about "micronized" mineral sunscreens, where the mineral particles are smaller than usual? I've heard the particles can enter into the skin and then into the blood stream. Thank you for weighing in.
I'm 25 and haven't worn sunscreen since I was a child. I fit in the category of vegans you mentioned, but thanks to your video I'm back at it. You might have saved my skin, thank you!
Many years ago, my dermatologist told me there were toxins and irritants in sunscreen, and I never bothered to check if they've become better regulated since. I just covered up when going out for long periods. Chris at the Plant Chompers channel put out a video on skin cancer recently, and I was shocked that sunlight getting through the car windows can cause significant sun damage! So being "inside" isn't necessarily safe! Thanks for posting : )
Ye, the UVA goes right through glass with no effort. The type of UV that ages the skin. UVB, the one that gives vitamin D and cancer, get's blocked by glass.
I burn worse in winter....snow reflection. I'm extremely fair and red headed, I burn in an hour lol. Beach trip...sunscreen every 3 hours. I cover up until I'm in the water.
i can just say for myself, that being in the sun (not too much) makes me feel good, happy and healthy. i'm not talking about lying for hours in the sun. my common sense guess is: sun is healthy and good, but not too much so you get burned.
@@meegy2 well tell me why does it feels so damn good and heals off all my acne and fatty skin? i believe 30 -60 min of straight sun is healthy and good - depending on your skin-type
I don’t like sunscreen so long sleeves, gloves, high neck, long pants, hat and some sunscreen on nose and neck…covering up is not going to make up for all those blistering burns that I had as a child, but it helps.
The Healing Power Of The Sun by Richard Hobday is an excellent book. Proper sunlight exposure is extremely important. Sunscreen’s only benefit is in reducing overexposure.
One thing to consider as well is that alcohol consumption increases the rate of sunburn and most Americans drink and vacation on beaches where they gut super burnt. And also berries and fruits decrease the intensity of the sunburn so by avoiding alcohol and by eating more fruits before sun exposure you’re likely lessening the risk compared to the standard American.
@@uoiuo depends on which part of the world you are in. Go to a tropical or sub tropical area and people like to tan. Go to QLD Australia and loads of people have tans. The biggest Vegan population in Australia is in Melbourne where we don't get much sun.
@@uoiuo Carotenoids cause an orange tinting in the skin. Most people find it more attractive than the ruddy look you get if you don't eat enough vegetables and fruits.
I never put the stuff on, but I also never lay out in the sun (cannot think of an activity that I’d rather not do). I just use common sense: if i’m in the sun for long periods of time, I wear hats, sun glasses, and lightweight long sleeve shirts, etc. I swim (swim workout) outside for 30 minutes a couple of times a week, but I’m in and out of the pool; not floating around like a tea bag. Doing things like this ensure that I am getting vitamin D, without the hassle of blocking or not blocking the sun. I’ll be 50 next year, and I’m happy with the way things are going on the visual-front. :) no fish lips or injections, etc. either.
same where i live - I sometimes wear 4 layers of clothing - in the brutally hot summer - including jackets and people think there's something wrong with me. It's not me, it's tehm! The heat alone can make skin peel, along iwth all the pollutants in the air that also peel skin. It's best to have healthy skin to take in UVC rays for Vitamin D production - as UVC doesn't harm the skin like the others do. I personally take a Vitamin D supplement - where I live the rays are too harsh - even in winter. If you live at a high latitude, it's easier to get away with that, but even then the Sun can be harsh. That said - instead of slathering on expensive chemicals - if Europeans just move back to where they naturally came from and avoid Southern US, we wouldn't have blowout proportions of skin cancer. Live in the zone that's appropriate for your skin tone - is a saying we should start spreading.
That's smart. It's common sense to reject smearing toxic chemicals on your skin while respecting the healing effects and powerful rays of the sun. This channel is turning into constant propaganda for pharma/chemical promotions.
I'm super fair skinned and I used to burn really easily. I noticed an obvious change in my skin after eating a vegan diet as I'm not burning as easily, but it's still good to be reminded that even though you're not getting a sun burn, UV damage is still occurring.
I nver thought that sunscreens were cancerous but most of the most famous vegan doctor like Gregor or Klaper said often that the benefits of sun exposure top the downside of skin cancer possibilities. I really HATE putting everything oily or greasy on my skin (I'm autistic and it's not something that I can pass by) so I don't put sunscreen but I avoid long sun exposures (more than 30/40 minutes or ever less) and keep my head covered with an hat. I guess this is the best I can do, I get my D and I should avoid most of the risks.
Yeah, that’s only greenwashing and marketing. Please check our Labmuffin & the eco well. There you’ll find valid information about sunscreen and “dangerous chemicals”. :)
I work at a ski resort as a ski instructor. At 8,000 ft elevation with white snow reflecting the UV up at you.. sunscreen is a must. With over 200 ski instructors, there were 3 of us that wore sunscreen. THREE! And the other people got burned, but said they don't care bc "sunscreen gives you cancer." Brooooooo. I can't. I just can't.
What about all the toxic skin care and personal care products people are using and things like makeup? It makes more sense that these things plus a poor diet would cause skin cancer. Skin after all is the biggest organ in the body and people sweat through the skin. Most sunscreens have a lot of crap in them and there are ones that contain zinc and plant based ingredients. I have used them for years now and I don't get burnt and I live in Australia.
Thanks this helped alot. I was just working in a garden center and it had a canopy so I never thought to put on sun screen but before I knew it I had a tanned face neck and arms and then didn't put it on until I felt it. I used to believe it was bad for you but u I will be using it more thanks. Think about it people. There's nothing healthy about getting burned.
Hey Mic! Love the video as always, but you need to make a small correction! UVB, shorter wave light, is more readily blocked by sunscreen and is actually what SPF measures, at least in the US. UVA represents a wider spectrum of wavelengths nearer to visible light and are often not blocked by sunscreen at all. Zinc oxide is the best truly broad spectrum blocker, coving a large part of the UVB and UVA wavelengths. UVA penetrates more deeply, causing damage to the stem cells and increasing skin aging. UVB doesn't penetrate as deeply and is associated with burns. Both can cause cancer.
Avobenzone is the most effective UVA filter available in the US. Zinc oxide also works, but for it to provide comparable protection to Avobenzone the zinc concentration would have to be high enough to where it would cause a visible whitecast. Europe has much better UVA protection standards. All sunscreens must provide a UVAPF (UVA protection SPF equivalent) at least 1/3 of the labeled SPF. So a SPF 60 sunscreen can provide no less than UVAPF 20 worth of protection. All of the highest protection sunscreens in Europe are chemical sunscreens, and mineral sunscreens just simply cannot compare in total UVA protection. The highest UVA protection zinc sunscreen (Neutrogena Sheer Zinc) provides a UVAPF of 31. Very good, but it will make you look like a clown if applied in the necessary quantity to get the UVAPF 31 protection. The highest protection chemical sunscreens can have UVAPF factors in excess of 50. Normon Uv-Cure Gel has a UVAPF of 73.
I know these aren’t the types of sunscreens you are recommending, but I do think the mass market spray sunscreens will increase cancer rates, namely respiratory cancers. When at the pool swimming laps or walking the beach, I am sickened by the second-hand toxic aerosols that I am exposed to downwind. It’s like eating perfumed hairspray. I cant believe they are safe to inhale and I look forward to them being banned. I also bemoan the layer of perfumed sunscreens that ride on top of the pool water that gets in my mouth as I lap swim. If others wish to expose themselves to chemical spray sunscreens, that’s fine. I wish they didn’t have 2nd hand exposure that impacts involuntary others.
Those toxic chemicals in the sunscreens seep into your body through pores. People wouldn't drink this stuff yet they slather it on their skin to lay in the sun like a piece of toast. And yes, toxicity causes cancer, not the sun.
As someone who was told in a previous job role to say in seminars that vitamin A in the form of retinol in skin care will increase the likelihood of skin cancer when exposed to the sun. And also explain that it's in sunscreen, now knowing how wrong I was
Love that you made this video!! One small issue is your theory about why people seem to synthesize vitamin D regardless of sunscreen use: you say not all sunscreens block UVB? It’s actually the other way around. There are some (although less and less) products that only block UVB and no UVA, or that offer very little UVA protection. Especially in the US, where the only chemical UVA filter that’s allowed is avobenzone (and yes, Mexoryl SX, but that’s owned by L’Oreal and in almost no products). I think it would be hard to find a sunscreen that has UVA filters, but no UVB. It couldn’t even have an SPF rating, because that refers to UVB protection only. I wear sunscreen daily and am not worried about vitamin D. Many people, especially those in northern countries, are vitamin D deficient quite some months of the year, regardless of diet or sun protective behavior. They should supplement, which is what I do. I make sure to get a good dose of oral vegan D3 every day.
just get one that blocks UVA and UVB, surely most do these days? Hate greasy chemical sunscreen, sounds like a mineral blocker is the best. So many brands, all the high end brands are super expensive though. Better off staying out of (excessive) sun, you only need about 10 mins a day for vitamin D I thought? A vitamin D3 supplement is still worth it, a lot of people doing office work hardly get any sun during the day, not to mention winter in some countries, rainy days etc.
So I have to call BS on sunscreen use not increasing vitamin D deficiency. Broad spectrum sunscreen blocks UVB. So it has to decrease Vitamin D synthesis. It's definitional. To say otherwise is ludicrous. Add onto that nearly half of Americans are vitamin D deficient, and that's using the less than 20 ng/ml metric which is itself way too low. There is a fantastic video from MedCram (run by a doctor who is a professor at a medical school) called 'Sunlight: Optimize Health and Immunity (Light Therapy and Melatonin)' all about the health benefits of sun exposure using tons of studies. At the 1:18:55 mark he discusses melanoma. There are multiple studies showing sun avoidant behavior increases risk of dying of melanoma and all cause mortality and that conversely sunbathing was protective. This subject is more complicated than the simple narrative we've been fed that sunlight causes skin cancer. The doctor in this video thinks that it's the suns infrared radiation that causes this benefit and is concerned about UV but still, sunbathing and tanning salon use was found to be protective. Think on that. And, anecdote time, I was careful about sun protection and wound up with a severe vitamin D deficiency. I felt like I was dying. It was awful. A healthcare provider said my blood levels were the lowest she had personally seen. I didn't stop getting sick all the time until my blood levels were over 40 ng/ml and barely get sick at all now with levels over 50 ng/ml. Please don't dismiss the dangers of vitamin D deficiency, it can really mess you up.
@Joseph Turcotte Unfortunately there really isn't much vitamin D in eggs. The range per egg is 37-44 IU. When I had my deficiency I was vegetarian and eating eggs. To maintain my blood levels now I take around 5600 IU a day plus laying out on the weekends (I ran this by a doctor, he was fine with it). I don't bake myself. I just lay out for a couple minutes on each side cause that's all my fair skin will allow. And to clarify I am not anti-sunscreen/sunblock. I am trying to point out important issues although I do have concerns about chemical sunscreens.
Imagine if you had 70+ ng/ml. My goal is to get to 60. The whole more you look into it the crazier it gets. Its almost like we are meant to mostly live outside in nature.
Dr. Roger Seheult (on the MedCram channel) did an interesting Vlog about the importance of light therapy as medicine and specifically sunlight. Of course he doesn't suggest midday sun or long exposure. He has a lot of scientific research on the subject. Just wondering how much sunlight is good and how much bad? The vlog title - Sunlight: Optimize Health and Immunity (Light Therapy and Melatonin)
Ugh I try to be level headed about this stuff but I do NOT use sunscreen living here in Hawaii anymore. First it is wildly known that sunscreen kills and bleaches coral…. So how can it be good for me? Also if you wear sunscreen it will literally eat any plastic it comes into contact with, back when we used sunscreen even after being in the water and rinsing off at the beach we would jump into our Jeep & where our arm would rest on the door panel & center console the plastic would turn white and the top layer soften to a thick goo you could easily scrape off and the steering wheel & turn signal stalk also turned into a sticky goo. It was only where your sunscreen applied skin touched the plastic no other plastic spots did this. And also it turned our waterproof seat covers into a sticky surface too where our skin touched. Sunscreen also affects & discolors boat vinyl seats. So my argument is how can those chemicals that melt plastic possibly be good for my skin? Another sad fact is after all the other bad things the FDA allows only to find out it’s really bad for us how well do you trust their findings? Ugh I actually wish they were not able to be biased. We now wear hats, long sleeve UV shirts and gaiters for sun protection, our skin is noticeably better. Your mileage may vary just sharing our experience.
I formulate lotions and insect repellents for a living. We use only things that are actually proven safe. (Compared to "natural" ingredients that are often barely tested but have often shown to contain some quite nasty chemicals produced by plants for self defence). Older style sunscreens were not water based and could soften plastics but the modern ones are much less likely to have this effect. Moisturizing chemicals though, almost all contain chemicals which may soften plastics. It also depends on the type of plastic. Acid in your sweat can affect some plastics too, so attribution to sunscreens might be unjustified. Finally we are fundamentally different from plastics and corals. The effects on us are not the same, and not all sunscreens affect corals. Typically Oxyphenone B3 is the worst for this but others are much less damaging.
Two video ideas: 1- how a whole food vegan diet can increase skin's protection against UV index. 2- your gut microbiome now that you take those symbitiocs
I don't wear sunscreen because I rarely burn and always tan. I understand the concern though when I see women (and some men) laying at the beach for 4 hours with no sunscreen.. as well as people who golf or do outdoor activities in the summer.
@@teebz5739 I'm pretty sure that according to dermatology, "there is no such thing as a safe tan." Tanning is your skin's attempt to protect you from the UV radiation it is sensing, whereas sunburn represents a failure of your melanin to prevent the UV damage from "overflowing," I believe. So, according to dermatologists, whether you burn or tan makes no difference with regard to sunscreen use.
Those of us that watch makeup tutorials. Have you noticed the difference in skin tone and quality of their naked skin? Usually the chest and neck have amazing glowing slightly tan skin in perfect condition. Then look up at the face, and it’s blueish and patchy. She proceeds to apply foundation to disguise this and match the face tone to the chest and neck. But she wouldn’t have needed it if she didn’t plaster her face with sunblock every day (i think foundation, which contains minerals, also somehow blocks the sun). What the hell?
Wear a broad spectrum sunscreen of spf 30+, reapply every 2 hours if you are frequently outside or you're near a window, reapply less frequently if you aren't going outside or near a window, wear a broad brim hat, sleeves, and sunglasses when outside wherever possible, seek shade, avoid going out during peak UV hours, especially in summer (usually around noon and a couple hours before and after), don't forget to sunscreen your neck and hands! This is some of the wisdom I've learned from Dr. Dray
when I got educated, I instantly started applying it daily, cuz I found out I had twice the risk of skin cancer since I got burned multiple times when I was a kid
Saw a study a few years ago that showed that people who used the best available sunscreen over the last 30 years had skin that appeared 25% younger overall. Convinced my daughters to use it.
Isn't the fear that it isn't sunscreen alone but sunscreen + uv rays acting as catalyst to trigger transition of that sunscreen into a cancer causing agent?
Mike, your commitment to the truth, the time you spend researching, and your friendly communication style is literally saving lives. I appreciate this so much. I know that sunscreen isn't a strictly vegan topic, but it's SO important and most Americans don't understand how much. Thank you for everything you do! 💚 Also, I hope you guys are feeling better. Cheers!
Don't think "FDA approved" is a good argument. Would like to see more actual studies with no conflict of interests. How do we know these chemicals don't do harm over a time of 10, 20 or more years? That said: use mineral organic sunscreen if you must. Sunburn is definitely not good.
15:36 Mic said not all sunscreens are toxic. So don't twist his words or slander him. What about people who burn in the sun easily? What about skin cancer? Do you eat junk food or use other hygiene products? If so, why do you suddenly care about just being natural when it only comes to sunscreen or what you dislike? FullyRawKristina dislikes sunscreen, so that has caused Vegan Deterioration and her comments to claim Kristina has aged skin cause the vegan diet is deficient. That's bad for vegan activism like Mic said at 13:33. Idk but I heard raspberry seed oil can be a sunscreen. People could've looked up natural sunscreens first before just stigmatizing all of sunscreens.
There are groups running around releasing reports of "detection" studies of various compounds in products. They do not report the amount they just report "detection". This makes their information meaningless.
I was raised in the 70's and 80's when NO ONE used sunscreen. I had a small, non-melanoma, skin cancer removed last year. I go to the dermatologist religiously but my wrinkles were based on my pre-vegan, mostly childhood bad habits.
@@jomaby3693 oh my gosh! I'm drank a coke every day as a kid. And I ate Little Debbie's snack cakes about everyday. I don't think I can ever recover from all the damage to inflicted upon myself
Its very important to raise awerness specially for people with darker skin tones, here in mexico most people dont use sunscreen, even tho the sun is awful here, just because they are not white. they just dont know they still need it
i think in this case looking at science doesnt help much, if anything, its more confusing. IMO i'll never use sunscreen again because of 2 factors. 1: it filters mostly only UVB rays, not UVA ( thats why you synthesise less vit D.) 2. The only way sun can damage your skin, is if you burn your skin; which obiously ppl struggles with that, but i don't. And yes, the stuff they put in those sunfilters gets absorbed into the blood and some are really toxic, Also its obiously not natural to use it; as it is not natural to have unadapted skin to the sun by living in houses - car - job. So yeah, treat well your skin, don't burn it, let it adapt slowly to the sun, and i am pretty sure theres no cancer involved, if anything, you will get cancer protection from vit D.
“Sunburns can increase your risk of skin cancer, including melanoma. But UV exposure can raise skin cancer risk even without causing sunburn.” ~American Cancer Society
I live in the Netherlands and everyone tells me I'm crazy for wearing an spf 50 as my daily moisturizer. And reapplying at least once a day from spring to fall depending on the weather and if I'm outside a lot. While everyone else here just sits in the sun to tan as soon as the possibility arises. Telling me I should also get a "healthy tan" and that they feel they look sickly when they're pale (which is funny since in eastern Asia the beauty standard is to be a pale as possible, it's so subjective). Just recently some Karen even asked me how much micro plastics I'm putting on my skin, while the sunscreen was even in a metal bottle! It's sunscreen ma'am, not plastic. Meanwhile, everyone thinks I'm still in my early 20s even though I'm 30. 👌 now I'm putting on my favourite wide brimmed hat to go on a walk.
Super appreciate this video, I avoid suncreams due to not ever finding one that doesn't make my eyes bright red and itchy, as well as the potential environmental issues. I get the risk-benefit to them is well in their favour, but lifestyle advice is something that should be educated as well: don't go out at peak hours, wear clothes that cover you up in prone to burn areas, don't be in exposed sunlight for more than 20-40 minutes depending on skin type. I follow all this advise and then use suncream when knowing I have to be in direct sunlight at peak hours and just suffer from very irritated eyes and have not burnt in years even working in places like Spain or south of France.
Try NIOD Survival 30spf. It’s advanced mineral, tinted, vegan, protect against blue light, and no nasty ingredients. I’ve been using it for 2 years now and I’m really satisfied. But just like with every sunscreen it’s important to wash your face properly not to get clogged pores
@@mthaxros too bad we can't just wear vinyl that is tinted blue for the same effect. The issue with sunscreens is that I still get burned iwth them - sometimes worse if they're expired and also with oil. So I avoid them, as they can be useless - sometimes the mineral ones are longer lasting.
I rarely wear sunscreen because I cover my body with UPF clothing and hats if I'm going to be out in the sun. Sunscreen is just so sticky and gross. I'll wear a little in my makeup and on my hands, but I'm the weirdo who wears long sleeves and long pants in 80° weather.
No, just like people don't trust vaccines or medical science in general. Its the reason most people don't trust the research on vegan diets and health.
I know I heard a lot of the anti-sunscreen propaganda when I came back to veganism 9 years ago but I have learned so much from listening to dermatologists who are working to educate and fight disinformation. I am not perfect in remembering sunscreen but I make an effort to wear my sunscreen.
Was definitely not wearing sunscreen for a hot minute. Now I hit up sunscreen before every adventure, long sleeve Ts, and a wide-brim sunhat. Gotta live that Colorado life to the fullest, but tryin' to look 25 at age 35 👍love teamvegan!
I am a brown skin man living in the north of the UK. I have never felt the need to have sun screen as we hardly ever see the sun, even in Summer. However, today for the first time in my life ( I am 62), I could have used some sunscreen. It was the hottest I can ever remember In Manchester.
I'm not far from you, in Yorkshire :) Yesterday was just a warm up for today! 40 predicted here!! You don't necessarily burn more or cause any more damage with increased temps. UV levels aren't affected by how hot it is. I only learned that recently & it really surprised me. Stay safe & hydrated today! (& indoors if you can) All the best :)
Another reason that people still produce enough vitamin D with sunscreen on might be because generally it is applied when going out into the sun for a longer time. While 10 minutes of being outside a day is already found to be enough for vitamin D production in humans, or so I've read.
I'm so glad you made this video! It pisses me off to no end how some vegan nutritionists and dieticians will base themselves on the science when it comes to food... but then refuse to use sunscreen. I follow a Dutch creator who produces similar content to you, but she makes irresponsible claims about how 'gradual expose to the sun can protect you from burning', meanwhile she looks burnt to a crisp lmao.
Sunscreen is life and continues to save my life! It's always the crazy raw vegans who spread lies about sunscreen and who age the fastest without using any protection. Coola is my favorite brand.
Thanks for getting this out Mic. I don’t like wearing sunscreen because it leaves me feeling like I need to wash my face, it always eventually gets in my eyes, somehow . I hadn’t thought about it being carcinogenic, but I am concerned about the long-term effects of these sunscreen chemicals on us, perhaps they affect metabolism or are hormone or endocrine disruptors. I do have some zinc sunscreen, I might try one of those tinted zinc sunscreens, I’m allergic to titanium dioxide. I have been able to just cover up with skirts and long sleeve shirts and a big wide brim hat and walk around in this and on a sunny day and have absolutely no indication of sun exposure on my skin.
I have 3 questions about this. Nr.1 How long did humans live before sunscreen was invented vs after wide use? Nr.2 Why does skin cancer melanomas increase steadily whilst people use more and more sunscreen? Nr.3 How come that new studies find that people that sunbathe live longer? Would love to get your answer to this, because in the field of sunscreen the science seems very nuanced.
It may be coincidence but since I’ve been eating 2 cups of frozen berries everyday for over a decade I don’t burn like I did when I was younger, pre-berry eating.
there was an experiment on rats, they fed them 2 different diets and then exposed both groups to uv light. the unhealthy diet group got cancer and the healthy diet group experienced no adverse effects. as long as you eat healthy and temper your skin (strengthen its resilience against prolonged sun exposure) you should be alright
Ive heard about this too and presumable the healthy group had fruits?! Id like to hear/read about this study somewhere. Makes sense when you think about how much of a new occurance skin cancer is and also sunscreen, and also poor unhealthy diet!
I have a Sicilian grandpa & an Irish grandma and definitely only inherited one of their sun tolerances! I hate sunscreen mostly because it gives me majorly clogged pores which I never have otherwise (even as a teenager I had like 2 pimples ever). Sunscreen is horrible, but I guess less horrible than skin cancer 🤨 … I’ll try to be more diligent with my sunscreen despite its gross sliminess that stains all my laundry piss yellow… and the mineral ones are definitely worse than the chemical ones. This was a super depressing video.
I have been 100% plant-based for 12 years and I am not going to put all the chemicals all over my skin that are in sunscreen. I read a long time ago that most skin cancer comes where the sun doesn’t even shine on your body. I believe that diet has a lot to do with all different kinds of cancer, including skin cancer.
I live in Sweden. I've honestly never heard any of these arguments about sunscreen, but we also wear sunscreen here. It's not just for post colonial peoples. Get the non-nano zinc and save yourself and the seas, don't forget your UV suit first and foremost. :)
Tja! Guess you’re lucky then. 😂 I’m in Norway and I spend way too much time to argue the necessity of using a broad spectrum sunscreen daily. Especially amongst vegans, paleo and chemfobes. >
‘Chemical sunscreen filters cause coral reef bleaching’ is quite a simplification. Filters that have been implicated are oxybenzone and octinoxate, which are not common in the sunscreens you would buy in Sweden or the rest of Europe. Also, there are way bigger issues threatening our oceans than sunscreen wash-off. Not saying that we shouldn’t be mindful, so wearing sun protective swimwear and clothing, physical filters, fine. But for people who don’t swim near coral reefs fulltime, there is no reason to opt for non-nano sized ZO or TO2 for daily use. I would advice against it, even, because smearing such occlusive and whitening paste on your face gets old real soon. Sunscreen use adherence would plummet. I opt for state of the art sunscreens from brands like La Roche Posay and Avène, which offer optimal (UVA) protection. And don’t use oxybenzone and octinoxate.
‘Chemical sunscreen filters cause coral reef bleaching’ is quite a simplification. Filters that have been implicated are oxybenzone and octinoxate, which are not common in the sunscreens you would buy in Sweden or the rest of Europe. Also, there are way bigger issues threatening our oceans than sunscreen wash-off. Not saying that we shouldn’t be mindful, so wearing sun protective swimwear and clothing, physical filters, fine. But for people who don’t swim near coral reefs fulltime, there is no reason to opt for non-nano sized ZO or TO2 for daily use. I would advice against it, even, because smearing such occlusive and whitening paste on your face gets old real soon. Sunscreen use adherence would plummet. I opt for state of the art sunscreens from brands like La Roche Posay and Avène, which offer optimal (UVA) protection. And don’t use oxybenzone and octinoxate.
I do spf50 on my face every day, stay in the shade, wear shades and my body is a reservoir of antioxidants. I am 32, and people regularly mistake me for 26-27. Its a thing, people. My mom does the opposite: tanning beds, try to sit in the sun, eats like crap etc, and my last girlfriend remarked on how my mom looked older than she is.
I’ve been applying to my face when I leave the house but rarely apply to my body. And I have to remind my husband to put some on when we are outside for a while. I wear big hats though. Haha time to up my game!
I have yet to find a sunscreen that doesn’t make me break out in hives. It sucks. I do wear tight knit clothing and I have purchased a few of those uva/uvb protective shirts and a hat. I watch the uv index and do outdoor activities during lower times of the day. It’s all I can do so far.
I use one from Green People, vegan, reef safe, for sensitive skin and it's helped me a lot. Others give me hives too 😵 Although I could only get SPF 15 I think they make higher I just couldn't find it 😅
13:33 FullyRawKristina said she likes to be natural so she likes to avoid sunscreen. She spends a lot of time outdoors to exercise. Now that has caused Vegan Deterioration and her comments to claim Kristina has aged skin cause vegan diets are deficient. So I agree that vegans trying to look their best is good activism. Also, if vegans bodybuild for the animals to prove vegans can be strong. There's all different kinds of sunscreens, like tinted, liquid, gel, lightweight, no odor, powder, spray, foundation makeup, etc. Check out Japanese or high end ones. Idk but I heard there can be a natural sunscreen from raspberry seed oil. It's strange that some people claim they want to avoid sunscreen for cancer yet are ok with cancer from the sun. Or to be natural but eat junk food, use other hygiene products, or wear makeup for example. What about people who burn in the sun easily?
I literally just hate how it feels on my skin and hate the chore-like nature of it. It also feels like it overly complicates something that should be simple by being overly concerned about safety, it's literally walking outside in the daytime, a very fundamental activity that shouldn't require extra preparation. And people have been doing it for 300,000 years mostly just fine, I'm sure there are risks but that's what you get with a giant ball of radiation, at least we've evolved for it over 400+ million years of life on land.
Wow, I definitely thought it was better to just slowly build up a natural level of melanin and not burn. About to move to the tropics so this was timely.
I avoid the sun and whenever I'm out I will try to go only towards shadows and also always wear a hoodie and long pants that completely covers my arms, legs and face. Is that enough?
Anyone who cares even a little bit about not getting lots of wrinkles at too young of an age, should wear sunscreen daily. I think that includes almost everyone, especially women.
Would have been nice to talk about plants antioxidants reducing sun burn. Dr Greger has some videos about this. I have cycled on and off vit D and can say when on VIt D my sun seeking behaviour dropped so does the euphoria experienced the opiate release from the sun. Hat interesting some reflect far infra red that penetrate the brain and assist with brain antioxidant levels.
Mic does discuss this, I think at about 14:46. He shares the research but points out it is not wise to rely on food alone to prevent cancer. A WFPB diet is advised to reduce risk of cancer development and to fight cancer growth across cancer types, but we also have to limit our intake of carcinogens, including radiation from the sun.
Thank you for clearing that up! the education regarding sun-protection is so terrible. The majority thinks it's only needed in the summer & many think Poc can not get skin cancer, which also is a lie. Another thing that makes me furious are products like skincare or make-up with spf as you will never use enough of that product to get the SPF.
I did still technically have covid when filming this a bit back so I do look a tad rough. I thankfully recovered fast and made it to the vegan campout where someone said, "I don't need sunscreen because I am vegan" !!! Also for your convenience, here is the SEED link and remember MIC15 at checkout: thld.co/seed_mic15_0722
I've seen people who look rough, you look pretty damn good for looking pretty rough. We better make sure we lock the world down, the disease is so severe and symptom specific, hadn't you mentioned anything nobody would have ever known you had it.. we better keep following the science and ignore basic reasoning.
Subbed to seed because of your recommendation and promo code! thanks for that!
Good to hear you are well. How many cycles did they run the PCR test?
Why don't you put same energy and research into covid as you do for everything else?
I thought you research everything and question everything.
@@besko2444 hes following the science bro! lmao
I could tell, but you still did well. Bravo. 👏
Thank you for making this video! I am a dermatologist, a skin cancer surgeon, and I am vegan. I see this now way too often- that sunscreens are carcinogenic. It's quite the opposite. Sunscreen is the most important thing we can do for skin cancer prevention (and anti-aging). Mineral sunscreens are what I recommend, and as you said, gone are the white-cast faces. We do recommend Vitamin D supplements instead of laying out in the sun to get Vitamin D. And there is no evidence that sunscreen application in normal amounts reduces vitamin D synthesis, as you also pointed out. Great video!
B.s.
How can you say a pill that contains vitamin D reacts the same as the most powerful source of vitamin D to the brain? To the blood? This is such bullshit. The rays of sun are incredibly powerful thus you do not need to Lay in it all the time, but definitely absorb it. Most people are getting sick, have eye problems because of all this extreme exposure to artificial light.
What do you think about "micronized" mineral sunscreens, where the mineral particles are smaller than usual? I've heard the particles can enter into the skin and then into the blood stream. Thank you for weighing in.
@@laurenelizabeth2505 what exactly about that is bs?
@@willdaisey7406 That man-made vitamin D is equally absorbed by the body as vitamin D sourced from the Sun.
I'm 25 and haven't worn sunscreen since I was a child. I fit in the category of vegans you mentioned, but thanks to your video I'm back at it. You might have saved my skin, thank you!
I use Sun Bum, 100% vegan. Most of my family has had skin cancer, so I don't play around.
Many years ago, my dermatologist told me there were toxins and irritants in sunscreen, and I never bothered to check if they've become better regulated since. I just covered up when going out for long periods. Chris at the Plant Chompers channel put out a video on skin cancer recently, and I was shocked that sunlight getting through the car windows can cause significant sun damage! So being "inside" isn't necessarily safe! Thanks for posting : )
Ye, the UVA goes right through glass with no effort. The type of UV that ages the skin. UVB, the one that gives vitamin D and cancer, get's blocked by glass.
Tinted windows good
I live in Colorado and the sun definitely burns through the windows
@@lalaladyvk That is called non ionic radiation which is like 99% of the Sun's radiation.
I burn worse in winter....snow reflection. I'm extremely fair and red headed, I burn in an hour lol. Beach trip...sunscreen every 3 hours. I cover up until I'm in the water.
i can just say for myself, that being in the sun (not too much) makes me feel good, happy and healthy. i'm not talking about lying for hours in the sun. my common sense guess is: sun is healthy and good, but not too much so you get burned.
This, why is it so hard for people to have common sense. I don’t need some other extra product that makes me think I need it
Precisely, but some people can't grasp the concept of all things in moderation so...sunscreen.
Is sunscreen needed for 20-30 mins sunbaths?
Cause I don't use it but now I'm having doubts
Not just burns, even tanning is a sign of DNA damage
@@meegy2 well tell me why does it feels so damn good and heals off all my acne and fatty skin? i believe 30 -60 min of straight sun is healthy and good - depending on your skin-type
I don’t like sunscreen so long sleeves, gloves, high neck, long pants, hat and some sunscreen on nose and neck…covering up is not going to make up for all those blistering burns that I had as a child, but it helps.
The Healing Power Of The Sun by Richard Hobday is an excellent book. Proper sunlight exposure is extremely important. Sunscreen’s only benefit is in reducing overexposure.
One thing to consider as well is that alcohol consumption increases the rate of sunburn and most Americans drink and vacation on beaches where they gut super burnt. And also berries and fruits decrease the intensity of the sunburn so by avoiding alcohol and by eating more fruits before sun exposure you’re likely lessening the risk compared to the standard American.
Australians are also big drinkers and love being out in the sun.
I have never seen a vegan with good tan , mike has the yellow vegan color going on
@@uoiuo depends on which part of the world you are in. Go to a tropical or sub tropical area and people like to tan. Go to QLD Australia and loads of people have tans. The biggest Vegan population in Australia is in Melbourne where we don't get much sun.
I can't imagine drinking booze in the heat. That would be miserable, you'ld get dehydrated real fast.
@@uoiuo Carotenoids cause an orange tinting in the skin. Most people find it more attractive than the ruddy look you get if you don't eat enough vegetables and fruits.
As a Stage 4 Melanoma Survivor (who’s vegan) PUT ON YA SUNSCREEN
Toxicity causes cancer, not the sun.
My favourite is when someone slathers themselves in oil (coconut oil, olive oil) instead of sunscreen. I don't know their logic, but oil+heat=frying.
I guess I could see it as these are tropical oils that won’t go rancid to hear exposure like the sun. Obviously not that science rooted
Heat*
Did not expect to get an explanation of the gulf stream and climate. Nice!
Avoid being directly in the sun during it’s high point (usually 11am-2pm)
I never put the stuff on, but I also never lay out in the sun (cannot think of an activity that I’d rather not do). I just use common sense: if i’m in the sun for long periods of time, I wear hats, sun glasses, and lightweight long sleeve shirts, etc. I swim (swim workout) outside for 30 minutes a couple of times a week, but I’m in and out of the pool; not floating around like a tea bag. Doing things like this ensure that I am getting vitamin D, without the hassle of blocking or not blocking the sun. I’ll be 50 next year, and I’m happy with the way things are going on the visual-front. :) no fish lips or injections, etc. either.
same where i live - I sometimes wear 4 layers of clothing - in the brutally hot summer - including jackets and people think there's something wrong with me. It's not me, it's tehm!
The heat alone can make skin peel, along iwth all the pollutants in the air that also peel skin. It's best to have healthy skin to take in UVC rays for Vitamin D production - as UVC doesn't harm the skin like the others do.
I personally take a Vitamin D supplement - where I live the rays are too harsh - even in winter. If you live at a high latitude, it's easier to get away with that, but even then the Sun can be harsh. That said - instead of slathering on expensive chemicals - if Europeans just move back to where they naturally came from and avoid Southern US, we wouldn't have blowout proportions of skin cancer. Live in the zone that's appropriate for your skin tone - is a saying we should start spreading.
That's smart. It's common sense to reject smearing toxic chemicals on your skin while respecting the healing effects and powerful rays of the sun. This channel is turning into constant propaganda for pharma/chemical promotions.
I'm super fair skinned and I used to burn really easily. I noticed an obvious change in my skin after eating a vegan diet as I'm not burning as easily, but it's still good to be reminded that even though you're not getting a sun burn, UV damage is still occurring.
I nver thought that sunscreens were cancerous but most of the most famous vegan doctor like Gregor or Klaper said often that the benefits of sun exposure top the downside of skin cancer possibilities. I really HATE putting everything oily or greasy on my skin (I'm autistic and it's not something that I can pass by) so I don't put sunscreen but I avoid long sun exposures (more than 30/40 minutes or ever less) and keep my head covered with an hat. I guess this is the best I can do, I get my D and I should avoid most of the risks.
You can do better. Long sleeves, long pants, high neck, head covered for anything longer than a few minutes.
I like to use the certified reef safe sunscreen, because a lot of the chemical ones have been corelated to toxicity in fish and reef life
Very important! We can be sun sage without poisoning reefs and fish.
It is a bit of a marketing scam unfortunately. Cassandra Bankson, who is also vegan, did a video on it
Yeah, that’s only greenwashing and marketing. Please check our Labmuffin & the eco well. There you’ll find valid information about sunscreen and “dangerous chemicals”. :)
I work at a ski resort as a ski instructor. At 8,000 ft elevation with white snow reflecting the UV up at you.. sunscreen is a must. With over 200 ski instructors, there were 3 of us that wore sunscreen. THREE! And the other people got burned, but said they don't care bc "sunscreen gives you cancer." Brooooooo. I can't. I just can't.
What about all the toxic skin care and personal care products people are using and things like makeup? It makes more sense that these things plus a poor diet would cause skin cancer. Skin after all is the biggest organ in the body and people sweat through the skin. Most sunscreens have a lot of crap in them and there are ones that contain zinc and plant based ingredients. I have used them for years now and I don't get burnt and I live in Australia.
Thanks this helped alot.
I was just working in a garden center and it had a canopy so I never thought to put on sun screen but before I knew it I had a tanned face neck and arms and then didn't put it on until I felt it.
I used to believe it was bad for you but u I will be using it more thanks.
Think about it people. There's nothing healthy about getting burned.
Hey Mic! Love the video as always, but you need to make a small correction! UVB, shorter wave light, is more readily blocked by sunscreen and is actually what SPF measures, at least in the US. UVA represents a wider spectrum of wavelengths nearer to visible light and are often not blocked by sunscreen at all. Zinc oxide is the best truly broad spectrum blocker, coving a large part of the UVB and UVA wavelengths.
UVA penetrates more deeply, causing damage to the stem cells and increasing skin aging. UVB doesn't penetrate as deeply and is associated with burns. Both can cause cancer.
Avobenzone is the most effective UVA filter available in the US. Zinc oxide also works, but for it to provide comparable protection to Avobenzone the zinc concentration would have to be high enough to where it would cause a visible whitecast.
Europe has much better UVA protection standards. All sunscreens must provide a UVAPF (UVA protection SPF equivalent) at least 1/3 of the labeled SPF. So a SPF 60 sunscreen can provide no less than UVAPF 20 worth of protection.
All of the highest protection sunscreens in Europe are chemical sunscreens, and mineral sunscreens just simply cannot compare in total UVA protection. The highest UVA protection zinc sunscreen (Neutrogena Sheer Zinc) provides a UVAPF of 31. Very good, but it will make you look like a clown if applied in the necessary quantity to get the UVAPF 31 protection. The highest protection chemical sunscreens can have UVAPF factors in excess of 50. Normon Uv-Cure Gel has a UVAPF of 73.
I know these aren’t the types of sunscreens you are recommending, but I do think the mass market spray sunscreens will increase cancer rates, namely respiratory cancers. When at the pool swimming laps or walking the beach, I am sickened by the second-hand toxic aerosols that I am exposed to downwind. It’s like eating perfumed hairspray. I cant believe they are safe to inhale and I look forward to them being banned. I also bemoan the layer of perfumed sunscreens that ride on top of the pool water that gets in my mouth as I lap swim. If others wish to expose themselves to chemical spray sunscreens, that’s fine. I wish they didn’t have 2nd hand exposure that impacts involuntary others.
Those toxic chemicals in the sunscreens seep into your body through pores. People wouldn't drink this stuff yet they slather it on their skin to lay in the sun like a piece of toast. And yes, toxicity causes cancer, not the sun.
@@mikethats4thebirds600, seriously? Do you even know how the skin works? 😂
Gotta love Dr Dray
As someone who was told in a previous job role to say in seminars that vitamin A in the form of retinol in skin care will increase the likelihood of skin cancer when exposed to the sun. And also explain that it's in sunscreen, now knowing how wrong I was
Love that you made this video!! One small issue is your theory about why people seem to synthesize vitamin D regardless of sunscreen use: you say not all sunscreens block UVB? It’s actually the other way around. There are some (although less and less) products that only block UVB and no UVA, or that offer very little UVA protection. Especially in the US, where the only chemical UVA filter that’s allowed is avobenzone (and yes, Mexoryl SX, but that’s owned by L’Oreal and in almost no products). I think it would be hard to find a sunscreen that has UVA filters, but no UVB. It couldn’t even have an SPF rating, because that refers to UVB protection only. I wear sunscreen daily and am not worried about vitamin D. Many people, especially those in northern countries, are vitamin D deficient quite some months of the year, regardless of diet or sun protective behavior. They should supplement, which is what I do. I make sure to get a good dose of oral vegan D3 every day.
I also thought he reversed UVA and UVB. UVB I thought is what comes through glass and damages, where A does not and is beneficial
just get one that blocks UVA and UVB, surely most do these days? Hate greasy chemical sunscreen, sounds like a mineral blocker is the best. So many brands, all the high end brands are super expensive though. Better off staying out of (excessive) sun, you only need about 10 mins a day for vitamin D I thought? A vitamin D3 supplement is still worth it, a lot of people doing office work hardly get any sun during the day, not to mention winter in some countries, rainy days etc.
So I have to call BS on sunscreen use not increasing vitamin D deficiency. Broad spectrum sunscreen blocks UVB. So it has to decrease Vitamin D synthesis. It's definitional. To say otherwise is ludicrous. Add onto that nearly half of Americans are vitamin D deficient, and that's using the less than 20 ng/ml metric which is itself way too low.
There is a fantastic video from MedCram (run by a doctor who is a professor at a medical school) called 'Sunlight: Optimize Health and Immunity (Light Therapy and Melatonin)' all about the health benefits of sun exposure using tons of studies. At the 1:18:55 mark he discusses melanoma. There are multiple studies showing sun avoidant behavior increases risk of dying of melanoma and all cause mortality and that conversely sunbathing was protective. This subject is more complicated than the simple narrative we've been fed that sunlight causes skin cancer. The doctor in this video thinks that it's the suns infrared radiation that causes this benefit and is concerned about UV but still, sunbathing and tanning salon use was found to be protective. Think on that.
And, anecdote time, I was careful about sun protection and wound up with a severe vitamin D deficiency. I felt like I was dying. It was awful. A healthcare provider said my blood levels were the lowest she had personally seen. I didn't stop getting sick all the time until my blood levels were over 40 ng/ml and barely get sick at all now with levels over 50 ng/ml. Please don't dismiss the dangers of vitamin D deficiency, it can really mess you up.
@Joseph Turcotte Unfortunately there really isn't much vitamin D in eggs. The range per egg is 37-44 IU. When I had my deficiency I was vegetarian and eating eggs. To maintain my blood levels now I take around 5600 IU a day plus laying out on the weekends (I ran this by a doctor, he was fine with it). I don't bake myself. I just lay out for a couple minutes on each side cause that's all my fair skin will allow.
And to clarify I am not anti-sunscreen/sunblock. I am trying to point out important issues although I do have concerns about chemical sunscreens.
Imagine if you had 70+ ng/ml. My goal is to get to 60. The whole more you look into it the crazier it gets. Its almost like we are meant to mostly live outside in nature.
Dr. Roger Seheult (on the MedCram channel) did an interesting Vlog about the importance of light therapy as medicine and specifically sunlight. Of course he doesn't suggest midday sun or long exposure. He has a lot of scientific research on the subject. Just wondering how much sunlight is good and how much bad? The vlog title -
Sunlight: Optimize Health and Immunity (Light Therapy and Melatonin)
Ugh I try to be level headed about this stuff but I do NOT use sunscreen living here in Hawaii anymore. First it is wildly known that sunscreen kills and bleaches coral…. So how can it be good for me? Also if you wear sunscreen it will literally eat any plastic it comes into contact with, back when we used sunscreen even after being in the water and rinsing off at the beach we would jump into our Jeep & where our arm would rest on the door panel & center console the plastic would turn white and the top layer soften to a thick goo you could easily scrape off and the steering wheel & turn signal stalk also turned into a sticky goo. It was only where your sunscreen applied skin touched the plastic no other plastic spots did this. And also it turned our waterproof seat covers into a sticky surface too where our skin touched. Sunscreen also affects & discolors boat vinyl seats. So my argument is how can those chemicals that melt plastic possibly be good for my skin? Another sad fact is after all the other bad things the FDA allows only to find out it’s really bad for us how well do you trust their findings? Ugh I actually wish they were not able to be biased.
We now wear hats, long sleeve UV shirts and gaiters for sun protection, our skin is noticeably better. Your mileage may vary just sharing our experience.
I formulate lotions and insect repellents for a living. We use only things that are actually proven safe. (Compared to "natural" ingredients that are often barely tested but have often shown to contain some quite nasty chemicals produced by plants for self defence).
Older style sunscreens were not water based and could soften plastics but the modern ones are much less likely to have this effect. Moisturizing chemicals though, almost all contain chemicals which may soften plastics. It also depends on the type of plastic. Acid in your sweat can affect some plastics too, so attribution to sunscreens might be unjustified.
Finally we are fundamentally different from plastics and corals. The effects on us are not the same, and not all sunscreens affect corals. Typically Oxyphenone B3 is the worst for this but others are much less damaging.
Maybe skin cancer is the most common because of all the sunscreen and other stuff everyone lathers on their skin…
Two video ideas: 1- how a whole food vegan diet can increase skin's protection against UV index. 2- your gut microbiome now that you take those symbitiocs
I don't wear sunscreen because I rarely burn and always tan. I understand the concern though when I see women (and some men) laying at the beach for 4 hours with no sunscreen.. as well as people who golf or do outdoor activities in the summer.
is it only if you burn that it increases your risk? Because I am the same, I don't burn only tan but not sure whether to still wear it
@@teebz5739 I'm pretty sure that according to dermatology, "there is no such thing as a safe tan." Tanning is your skin's attempt to protect you from the UV radiation it is sensing, whereas sunburn represents a failure of your melanin to prevent the UV damage from "overflowing," I believe. So, according to dermatologists, whether you burn or tan makes no difference with regard to sunscreen use.
@@moseslmpg you are correct. A tan is skin damage period. Doesn’t matter whether you burn or not
Melanin has more worth than just sun-radiation-resistance. It converts photons into usable energy.
@@POSTMASTER_Rion-Donald_Harmon. interesting! Never knew that! Is it only when you tan not burn?
I've never needed sunscreen at sea level but living at 9000ft elevation that 🌞 hits different. Sunscreen is tight
Those of us that watch makeup tutorials. Have you noticed the difference in skin tone and quality of their naked skin? Usually the chest and neck have amazing glowing slightly tan skin in perfect condition. Then look up at the face, and it’s blueish and patchy. She proceeds to apply foundation to disguise this and match the face tone to the chest and neck. But she wouldn’t have needed it if she didn’t plaster her face with sunblock every day (i think foundation, which contains minerals, also somehow blocks the sun). What the hell?
Wear a broad spectrum sunscreen of spf 30+, reapply every 2 hours if you are frequently outside or you're near a window, reapply less frequently if you aren't going outside or near a window, wear a broad brim hat, sleeves, and sunglasses when outside wherever possible, seek shade, avoid going out during peak UV hours, especially in summer (usually around noon and a couple hours before and after), don't forget to sunscreen your neck and hands! This is some of the wisdom I've learned from Dr. Dray
when I got educated, I instantly started applying it daily, cuz I found out I had twice the risk of skin cancer since I got burned multiple times when I was a kid
Went my whole life without applying sunscreen on my face and just recently started. Thank you for spreading the importance of wearing sunscreen!
I wear long dresses, long-sleeve shirts, and a huge sun hat when I’m in the sun, so I’m not sure why I would need sunscreen.
Saw a study a few years ago that showed that people who used the best available sunscreen over the last 30 years had skin that appeared 25% younger overall. Convinced my daughters to use it.
Isn't the fear that it isn't sunscreen alone but sunscreen + uv rays acting as catalyst to trigger transition of that sunscreen into a cancer causing agent?
I agree and glad that you're having fun
LITERALLY in the store rn because i wanted to get sunscreen and seeing this while i was looking for music in my subs
impeccable timing Mic ‹3
Mike, your commitment to the truth, the time you spend researching, and your friendly communication style is literally saving lives. I appreciate this so much. I know that sunscreen isn't a strictly vegan topic, but it's SO important and most Americans don't understand how much. Thank you for everything you do! 💚 Also, I hope you guys are feeling better. Cheers!
Don't think "FDA approved" is a good argument. Would like to see more actual studies with no conflict of interests. How do we know these chemicals don't do harm over a time of 10, 20 or more years?
That said: use mineral organic sunscreen if you must. Sunburn is definitely not good.
"The sunscreen is toxic to the coral reef but no toxic to human when directly applied to our skin." Mic the vegan
Something doesn’t add up.
15:36 Mic said not all sunscreens are toxic. So don't twist his words or slander him. What about people who burn in the sun easily? What about skin cancer? Do you eat junk food or use other hygiene products? If so, why do you suddenly care about just being natural when it only comes to sunscreen or what you dislike?
FullyRawKristina dislikes sunscreen, so that has caused Vegan Deterioration and her comments to claim Kristina has aged skin cause the vegan diet is deficient. That's bad for vegan activism like Mic said at 13:33.
Idk but I heard raspberry seed oil can be a sunscreen. People could've looked up natural sunscreens first before just stigmatizing all of sunscreens.
@user-gu9yq5sj7c there are better sunscreens than others. Sadly, mic seems to push the ones that have known toxic substances in them.
Alternatively, just cover up. Use a broad-brimmed hat, a parasol, long-sleeved clothing and other common-sense measures. Or just stay in the shade...
There are groups running around releasing reports of "detection" studies of various compounds in products. They do not report the amount they just report "detection". This makes their information meaningless.
I was raised in the 70's and 80's when NO ONE used sunscreen. I had a small, non-melanoma, skin cancer removed last year. I go to the dermatologist religiously but my wrinkles were based on my pre-vegan, mostly childhood bad habits.
...and all that sugar we ate, surprised i'm still alive and healthy based on the quality of nutrition i got as a 70's kid. :)
@@jomaby3693 oh my gosh! I'm drank a coke every day as a kid. And I ate Little Debbie's snack cakes about everyday. I don't think I can ever recover from all the damage to inflicted upon myself
I think you should take each preservative in each sunscreen and look it up.
I hate wearing sunscreen lotion and I refuse to it. But I always wear a hat and wear long sleeved tops. I also wear mineral makeup that is spf 20.
Its very important to raise awerness specially for people with darker skin tones, here in mexico most people dont use sunscreen, even tho the sun is awful here, just because they are not white. they just dont know they still need it
i think in this case looking at science doesnt help much, if anything, its more confusing. IMO i'll never use sunscreen again because of 2 factors. 1: it filters mostly only UVB rays, not UVA ( thats why you synthesise less vit D.) 2. The only way sun can damage your skin, is if you burn your skin; which obiously ppl struggles with that, but i don't. And yes, the stuff they put in those sunfilters gets absorbed into the blood and some are really toxic, Also its obiously not natural to use it; as it is not natural to have unadapted skin to the sun by living in houses - car - job. So yeah, treat well your skin, don't burn it, let it adapt slowly to the sun, and i am pretty sure theres no cancer involved, if anything, you will get cancer protection from vit D.
“Sunburns can increase your risk of skin cancer, including melanoma. But UV exposure can raise skin cancer risk even without causing sunburn.” ~American Cancer Society
@@JoJo-ew2vm UVA + UVB altogether doesnt as i said if you don't overdo it. Otherwise it would be like saying life causes cancer or cells causes cancer
I live in the Netherlands and everyone tells me I'm crazy for wearing an spf 50 as my daily moisturizer. And reapplying at least once a day from spring to fall depending on the weather and if I'm outside a lot. While everyone else here just sits in the sun to tan as soon as the possibility arises. Telling me I should also get a "healthy tan" and that they feel they look sickly when they're pale (which is funny since in eastern Asia the beauty standard is to be a pale as possible, it's so subjective). Just recently some Karen even asked me how much micro plastics I'm putting on my skin, while the sunscreen was even in a metal bottle! It's sunscreen ma'am, not plastic.
Meanwhile, everyone thinks I'm still in my early 20s even though I'm 30. 👌 now I'm putting on my favourite wide brimmed hat to go on a walk.
Yea, europeans are obsessed with the sun, especially the nordics in the summer.
Super appreciate this video, I avoid suncreams due to not ever finding one that doesn't make my eyes bright red and itchy, as well as the potential environmental issues. I get the risk-benefit to them is well in their favour, but lifestyle advice is something that should be educated as well: don't go out at peak hours, wear clothes that cover you up in prone to burn areas, don't be in exposed sunlight for more than 20-40 minutes depending on skin type.
I follow all this advise and then use suncream when knowing I have to be in direct sunlight at peak hours and just suffer from very irritated eyes and have not burnt in years even working in places like Spain or south of France.
mineral sunscreen should help. That and certain oils block light - but I'm not sure how true it is.
Try NIOD Survival 30spf. It’s advanced mineral, tinted, vegan, protect against blue light, and no nasty ingredients. I’ve been using it for 2 years now and I’m really satisfied. But just like with every sunscreen it’s important to wash your face properly not to get clogged pores
@@mthaxros too bad we can't just wear vinyl that is tinted blue for the same effect.
The issue with sunscreens is that I still get burned iwth them - sometimes worse if they're expired and also with oil. So I avoid them, as they can be useless - sometimes the mineral ones are longer lasting.
I rarely wear sunscreen because I cover my body with UPF clothing and hats if I'm going to be out in the sun. Sunscreen is just so sticky and gross. I'll wear a little in my makeup and on my hands, but I'm the weirdo who wears long sleeves and long pants in 80° weather.
I wear long sleeves in summer also! I live in Australia and the sun is so strong here
There are sunscreens that are incredibly lightweight and not sticky at all, it’s all about finding the right one
Nice the video's here! So lovely to meet you at vco and talk about sunscreen! I was of course wearing it 😂
people still trust FDA?
No, just like people don't trust vaccines or medical science in general. Its the reason most people don't trust the research on vegan diets and health.
Before sunscreen people wore a lot more protective clothing including hats
I know I heard a lot of the anti-sunscreen propaganda when I came back to veganism 9 years ago but I have learned so much from listening to dermatologists who are working to educate and fight disinformation. I am not perfect in remembering sunscreen but I make an effort to wear my sunscreen.
Was definitely not wearing sunscreen for a hot minute. Now I hit up sunscreen before every adventure, long sleeve Ts, and a wide-brim sunhat. Gotta live that Colorado life to the fullest, but tryin' to look 25 at age 35 👍love teamvegan!
I am a brown skin man living in the north of the UK. I have never felt the need to have sun screen as we hardly ever see the sun, even in Summer. However, today for the first time in my life ( I am 62), I could have used some sunscreen. It was the hottest I can ever remember In Manchester.
what climate change does to a planet
Even if it’s a cloudy cool day, UV can still be very damaging. Things like clouds, shade or colder weather don’t neutralize UV rays nearly enough.
I’m sorry climate change is upon you there.
I'm not far from you, in Yorkshire :)
Yesterday was just a warm up for today! 40 predicted here!!
You don't necessarily burn more or cause any more damage with increased temps. UV levels aren't affected by how hot it is. I only learned that recently & it really surprised me.
Stay safe & hydrated today! (& indoors if you can) All the best :)
It's not the heat that damage the skin (at least for the skin cancer argument) it's UV exposure
Great vid bro! I’ll be sharing this for sure!
Another reason that people still produce enough vitamin D with sunscreen on might be because generally it is applied when going out into the sun for a longer time. While 10 minutes of being outside a day is already found to be enough for vitamin D production in humans, or so I've read.
I like the focus on science-based news. I wasn't aware of the evidence that sunscreen doesn't inhibit vitamin D absorbtion.
I'm so glad you made this video! It pisses me off to no end how some vegan nutritionists and dieticians will base themselves on the science when it comes to food... but then refuse to use sunscreen. I follow a Dutch creator who produces similar content to you, but she makes irresponsible claims about how 'gradual expose to the sun can protect you from burning', meanwhile she looks burnt to a crisp lmao.
didn't know the gradual exposure doesn't work. I guess we should just do none.
Sunscreen is life and continues to save my life! It's always the crazy raw vegans who spread lies about sunscreen and who age the fastest without using any protection. Coola is my favorite brand.
@@wellthi You have Raw vegans, and then you have crazy raw vegans.
@@beer_bad get it now thx
Keep your face and hands out of the sun.
Just go out of the sun before you get a sunburn. Easy.
I always gain something from your videos!
Thank you!
Thanks for getting this out Mic.
I don’t like wearing sunscreen because it leaves me feeling like I need to wash my face, it always eventually gets in my eyes, somehow .
I hadn’t thought about it being carcinogenic, but I am concerned about the long-term effects of these sunscreen chemicals on us, perhaps they affect metabolism or are hormone or endocrine disruptors. I do have some zinc sunscreen, I might try one of those tinted zinc sunscreens, I’m allergic to titanium dioxide. I have been able to just cover up with skirts and long sleeve shirts and a big wide brim hat and walk around in this and on a sunny day and have absolutely no indication of sun exposure on my skin.
Yeaaaaah this is why I was lathered up this weekend!! Awesome meeting you my guy 😁
I have 3 questions about this. Nr.1 How long did humans live before sunscreen was invented vs after wide use? Nr.2 Why does skin cancer melanomas increase steadily whilst people use more and more sunscreen? Nr.3 How come that new studies find that people that sunbathe live longer?
Would love to get your answer to this, because in the field of sunscreen the science seems very nuanced.
I was literally on RUclips searching on vegan skin care and this video was uploaded
I just answered the praying in the profile pic lol
Thoughts on Dr Greger talking about plant based diets helping stop free radical damage from uv rays?
It may be coincidence but since I’ve been eating 2 cups of frozen berries everyday for over a decade I don’t burn like I did when I was younger, pre-berry eating.
Reduce. Not stop. But you do you.
A very cheap and eco friendly alternative to wearing sunscreen is walking around with an umbrella
there was an experiment on rats, they fed them 2 different diets and then exposed both groups to uv light. the unhealthy diet group got cancer and the healthy diet group experienced no adverse effects. as long as you eat healthy and temper your skin (strengthen its resilience against prolonged sun exposure) you should be alright
Ive heard about this too and presumable the healthy group had fruits?! Id like to hear/read about this study somewhere. Makes sense when you think about how much of a new occurance skin cancer is and also sunscreen, and also poor unhealthy diet!
I have a Sicilian grandpa & an Irish grandma and definitely only inherited one of their sun tolerances! I hate sunscreen mostly because it gives me majorly clogged pores which I never have otherwise (even as a teenager I had like 2 pimples ever). Sunscreen is horrible, but I guess less horrible than skin cancer 🤨 … I’ll try to be more diligent with my sunscreen despite its gross sliminess that stains all my laundry piss yellow… and the mineral ones are definitely worse than the chemical ones. This was a super depressing video.
There are very lightweight, non-sticky sunscreens out there, especially for the face…
I have been 100% plant-based for 12 years and I am not going to put all the chemicals all over my skin that are in sunscreen. I read a long time ago that most skin cancer comes where the sun doesn’t even shine on your body. I believe that diet has a lot to do with all different kinds of cancer, including skin cancer.
Chemical burns and stings my skin.
Mineral dries out and irritates my skin to an unbearable amount.
My body is saying no. 😮
I live in Sweden. I've honestly never heard any of these arguments about sunscreen, but we also wear sunscreen here. It's not just for post colonial peoples. Get the non-nano zinc and save yourself and the seas, don't forget your UV suit first and foremost. :)
Tja! Guess you’re lucky then. 😂
I’m in Norway and I spend way too much time to argue the necessity of using a broad spectrum sunscreen daily. Especially amongst vegans, paleo and chemfobes. >
‘Chemical sunscreen filters cause coral reef bleaching’ is quite a simplification. Filters that have been implicated are oxybenzone and octinoxate, which are not common in the sunscreens you would buy in Sweden or the rest of Europe. Also, there are way bigger issues threatening our oceans than sunscreen wash-off. Not saying that we shouldn’t be mindful, so wearing sun protective swimwear and clothing, physical filters, fine. But for people who don’t swim near coral reefs fulltime, there is no reason to opt for non-nano sized ZO or TO2 for daily use. I would advice against it, even, because smearing such occlusive and whitening paste on your face gets old real soon. Sunscreen use adherence would plummet. I opt for state of the art sunscreens from brands like La Roche Posay and Avène, which offer optimal (UVA) protection. And don’t use oxybenzone and octinoxate.
‘Chemical sunscreen filters cause coral reef bleaching’ is quite a simplification. Filters that have been implicated are oxybenzone and octinoxate, which are not common in the sunscreens you would buy in Sweden or the rest of Europe. Also, there are way bigger issues threatening our oceans than sunscreen wash-off. Not saying that we shouldn’t be mindful, so wearing sun protective swimwear and clothing, physical filters, fine. But for people who don’t swim near coral reefs fulltime, there is no reason to opt for non-nano sized ZO or TO2 for daily use. I would advice against it, even, because smearing such occlusive and whitening paste on your face gets old real soon. Sunscreen use adherence would plummet. I opt for state of the art sunscreens from brands like La Roche Posay and Avène, which offer optimal (UVA) protection. And don’t use oxybenzone and octinoxate.
I do spf50 on my face every day, stay in the shade, wear shades and my body is a reservoir of antioxidants. I am 32, and people regularly mistake me for 26-27. Its a thing, people. My mom does the opposite: tanning beds, try to sit in the sun, eats like crap etc, and my last girlfriend remarked on how my mom looked older than she is.
I don’t align sitting in the sun with eating like crap but I’m glad you like your skin
Hope you're feeling better!
I am definitely feeling much better and significantly better than I did when I filmed this which was like COVID day 4.
I’ve been applying to my face when I leave the house but rarely apply to my body. And I have to remind my husband to put some on when we are outside for a while. I wear big hats though. Haha time to up my game!
I never have and never will! I go even and bake in the sun, up to 1 hour and have no sun damage and I am almost 70... see foto!
I don't wear sunscreen ever... but I also don't expose myself to the sun much. Long sleeves and long skirts even in the summer 🤷♀️
Thanks for covering this topic.
Yay microscope fun!
Hats and long sleeves.
Holdup there, friend! Are you telling me that drinking urine doesn’t protect me from UV rays while staring at the Sun?
I think redheads are kinda bias about sunscreen :)
Really enjoying these videos on common misconceptions in the vegan community. Today I definitely learned something new!
I have yet to find a sunscreen that doesn’t make me break out in hives. It sucks. I do wear tight knit clothing and I have purchased a few of those uva/uvb protective shirts and a hat. I watch the uv index and do outdoor activities during lower times of the day. It’s all I can do so far.
Try mineral (physical) sunscreens without any chemical sunscreens. They're very gentle on my skin, I also react badly to chemical sunscreens.
@@Kyle-ke5fx me too and I use a more natural one and I don't have issues.
@@sarcodonblue2876 can I ask which brands you use please, would appreciate if so 👍
I use one from Green People, vegan, reef safe, for sensitive skin and it's helped me a lot. Others give me hives too 😵 Although I could only get SPF 15 I think they make higher I just couldn't find it 😅
"There are some benefits of sunlight...." funny!
13:33 FullyRawKristina said she likes to be natural so she likes to avoid sunscreen. She spends a lot of time outdoors to exercise. Now that has caused Vegan Deterioration and her comments to claim Kristina has aged skin cause vegan diets are deficient.
So I agree that vegans trying to look their best is good activism. Also, if vegans bodybuild for the animals to prove vegans can be strong. There's all different kinds of sunscreens, like tinted, liquid, gel, lightweight, no odor, powder, spray, foundation makeup, etc. Check out Japanese or high end ones.
Idk but I heard there can be a natural sunscreen from raspberry seed oil.
It's strange that some people claim they want to avoid sunscreen for cancer yet are ok with cancer from the sun. Or to be natural but eat junk food, use other hygiene products, or wear makeup for example.
What about people who burn in the sun easily?
I literally just hate how it feels on my skin and hate the chore-like nature of it. It also feels like it overly complicates something that should be simple by being overly concerned about safety, it's literally walking outside in the daytime, a very fundamental activity that shouldn't require extra preparation.
And people have been doing it for 300,000 years mostly just fine, I'm sure there are risks but that's what you get with a giant ball of radiation, at least we've evolved for it over 400+ million years of life on land.
Dr Belardo has a recent podcast with Dr Ranella all about sunscreen 👍
Wow, I definitely thought it was better to just slowly build up a natural level of melanin and not burn. About to move to the tropics so this was timely.
I avoid the sun and whenever I'm out I will try to go only towards shadows and also always wear a hoodie and long pants that completely covers my arms, legs and face. Is that enough?
Sure sounds like it.
Anyone who cares even a little bit about not getting lots of wrinkles at too young of an age, should wear sunscreen daily. I think that includes almost everyone, especially women.
Would have been nice to talk about plants antioxidants reducing sun burn. Dr Greger has some videos about this.
I have cycled on and off vit D and can say when on VIt D my sun seeking behaviour dropped so does the euphoria experienced the opiate release from the sun.
Hat interesting some reflect far infra red that penetrate the brain and assist with brain antioxidant levels.
I am intrigued with red light therapy!
Mic does discuss this, I think at about 14:46. He shares the research but points out it is not wise to rely on food alone to prevent cancer. A WFPB diet is advised to reduce risk of cancer development and to fight cancer growth across cancer types, but we also have to limit our intake of carcinogens, including radiation from the sun.
do you look better as a pale vegan or a tanned one?
My first reaction too.
@@janetthoke8027 ;)
Thank you for clearing that up! the education regarding sun-protection is so terrible. The majority thinks it's only needed in the summer & many think Poc can not get skin cancer, which also is a lie. Another thing that makes me furious are products like skincare or make-up with spf as you will never use enough of that product to get the SPF.
Great video as always 👌