Why do Lutherans Make the Sign of the Cross?
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Pastor Kind explains the sign of the cross, why Christians make it and when, and where we find this sign in the Scriptures.
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Not a Lutheran but I think it's a legit and respectful thing to do . Do it myself at times .
Amazing video and explanation! Set is very beautiful as well. Thank you.
This is a great explanation! Thank you for this video. I hope more people see it and come to use this very comforting sign of the Christian Church.
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Greetings from the trinity!
Great video. I also made a video on the sign of the Cross some months ago.
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As a Catholic that occasionally attended Lutheran services, I never witnessed any Lutherans making the sign of the cross. At one service one churchgoers during a sermon tried to teach the congregation on how to make the sign of the cross, but no one followed her.
I’ve never been to a confessional Lutheran church that doesn’t make the sign across. Confessional Lutherans make the sign across all the time, it’s taught in their small catechism. Your mileage may vary when you get outside the non-confessional Lutheran churches.
@@P-el4zdI've never been to a confessional Lutheran Church where the laity crossed themselves in the church service.
@@danbratten3103 Read your Catechism.
@@danbratten3103 Read the Catechism.
@@danbratten3103 How the head of the family should teach his household to pray morning and evening.
In the morning when you get up, make the sign of the holy cross and say:
In the name of the Father and of the + Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. …
Luther’s small catechism
The reason so many denomination starters threw out this practice, is to be different from Catholics.
Which would be great if they were correcting Roman Catholic errors. But it seems to me that most of the Radical denominations (Puritans, etc) threw out the GOOD things from RC, and KEPT THE BAD THINGS (like works salvation).
@@Didymus20X6 you have an incorrect understanding of Catholics. Works don’t earn our way in just like your faith without works don’t earn your way in.
Precisely. "Das ist Katolisch." Cultural Protestantism has led especially American Lutheranism to compromise many of its traditional customs.
@@tonyfisher9961 The difference is that while Luther never taught that faith that is without works can be justifying faith (James uses the word "faith" differently from Paul and the rest of Scripture), Trent explicitly condemns the notion that true faith (which is never without works) justifies without works being not only an inevitable consequence of such faith but a contributing cause of justification along with it.
I think Rome would like to revisit that wording, but that would mean admitting that one of its councils erred, if only in its choice of words.
@@RobertEWaters what exactly are you telling me? Personally I don’t pay much attention to Luther and what he said. As far as differences between Paul and James, Paul writes mostly about initial faith where James writes about lived out faith. What you say about Trent I can’t figure out. Is your sentence a quote and if it is could you tell me where it is from? Lastly, you mentioned “Rome”. Are you referring to the Catholics church and do you say that in a mean spirited way? Can I call Protestants “Prots”?
It's one of those Apostolic traditions that don't contradict the Bible. Like Exodus 20 and the graven images. It's not necessary but it's not harmful either. I do it sometimes.
Great!
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-Why do Lutherans make the sign of the cross? Why wouldn't they do that since the maker of the sign of the cross is focused on what happened on the cross of Jesus?
Catholic here. I go to church sometimes with my wife to the Lutheran church. I seen one of them make the sign of the cross an always figured they left the Catholic Church. The others look at me funny like I’m from another planet. I’ve never been told that if you do the sign of the cross backwards that it cancels out. I don’t know what it would cancel out. I’ve never heard a Catholic complain about the Orthodox doing it backwards. I’m doubting that statement is true.
The Catholic Church has 22 rites and many of them make the sign of the cross right to left. Roman Catholics generally make it left to right but if one chooses to make it the other way, they are free to do so. While I am Roman Catholic, my ancestors were Byzantine Catholic; so to honor my heritage I will alternate both. There is no rule in the Catholic church to prohibit one over the other.
I've ran into both RC and EO priests that have been strict about the direction when making the sign of the cross. As for a hard rule by either church bodies on direction that requires more research. Though I would not put it past people stuck in tradition to think that doing the sign in "wrong" would cancel it out.
@@joshd3502 what would it cancel out? Would it be like not doing it at all or would it be some kind of satinism? What exactly would happen if you did it the wrong way? I think this might be just an attack on tradition. Maybe we are just trying to create a synchronized effect by doing it in the same direction.
The sign of the cross made in the Latin/roman Catholic Church is due to a medieval change (reason unclear). But I don't think it matters how you do it.
I was raised around a large number of Catholics and Orthodox of many different rites. I crossed myself very often both ways all the time even when my family told me not to (they are reformed Protestant)
I thought it was signifying cutting off the lower desires like your root chakra is sexual desire then you have your stomach etc gluttony but then you cross it off at the heart leaving just your speach mind and crown living from love speaking thruth thinking in a holy manner and wearing the crown of life. Instead of living in the carnal mind focusing on desires of the flesh.
Chakras are Hindu and Buddist concepts, that are not part of Christian theology.
Does this mean your bishops can't be married/get married?
Do you allow your pastors to be married?
Because the tradition of non married clergy is also very ancient.
Not at all. While Lutherans respect tradition and uphold it when it is edifying, we do not hold to traditions that contradict what Holy Scripture teaches no matter how ancient they may be.
Your logic is bad. The tradition of married clergy is much more ancient, and the antiquity of a bad practice is not a reason to engage in it. In any case, an unmarried clergy is a purely human custom. Paul calls the forbidding of marriage "a doctrine of devils." It was not the apostolic custom, and there is no theologically sound reason for it.
The custom of married clergy is far more ancient.
Interesting, where is holy absolution mentioned in scripture?
“Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” (John 20:22-23). Absolution is nothing more or less than proclaiming the Gospel to people.
From a family who did to a church in the 60-70s the pastor have a fit.our last but not finale..the problem with the Lutherans today,they never shared yester years..bowed to contemporary worldly yurns.. forgot where &why,and went too far in world missionary,and closed the door on Mary mother of God .whom is more heart than Concordia could ever replace..Lie about yesterdays ,tomorrows they can not..
Mary was special precisely because she wasn't special. She was the embodiment of the fact that God acts, not in the power and glory of the world, but through the lowly and the ordinary. She is an example for us, like the rest of the saints, as Lutheranism has always taught. But like the rest of the saints, she was a sinner whom we have no reason to believe can hear our prayers.
I am a lifelong Lutheran (now 67 years old), and no one in the Lutheran churches that I have attended ever made the sign of the cross....that's a Catholic thing, not Lutheran (Protestant).
Very Lutheran thing, recommended by Luther himself in the Small Catechism! It fell from favor particularly in America precisely because the Roman church did it. "Das ist Katolisch!" We also neglected the very Lutheran crucifix for the same reason, as a way of insisting that we were "Protestant."
I am a lifelong Lutheran (now 20s), I make the sign of the cross every introitus of Sunday service.
Only me and my friend does it
You realize the four fingers for the sign of the cross are the Holy Trinity plus the Pope??
You mean like diced onions, celery and bell peppers plus a clove of garlic (looks like a miter)??
@@brinkmannfilms I see you're off your meds again?
@@theodosios2615 hahaha the trinity is what they call that combination of ingredients in Cajun cooking ;) plus garlic for the pope.
@@brinkmannfilms Oh. Now how am I supposed to know that?
@@theodosios2615 Well, it's the only sense in which your statement is true, or even makes sense!
The real question is are you born again? The Lord Jesus Christ said “ye must be born again” to go to Heaven (John 3:7)!
It’s not water that washes away your sins, it’s only faith in the blood atonement of Jesus Christ. Don’t trust some water “baptism” that probably happened before you were old enough to remember it. Trust only the blood that Jesus shed for all your sins on the cross of Calvary!
“In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins” - Colossians 1:14 KJV
“Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God” - Romans 3:25 KJV
“And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood” - Revelation 1:5 KJV
It's water plus the Word. It's the promise our faith is in. We are born again, Jesus says, by water AND the Spirit, and the Gnostic rejection of the physical as a conveyer of the Word logically ends in rejection of the incarnation itself. Your position is not biblical. You can't separate water and the Promise. Every time the Bible mentions being born again, it refers to baptism!
Here's what Scripture teaches about the subject, quoted by Luther in the Small Catechism's section on baptism:
First
What is Baptism?
Baptism is not just plain water, but it is the water included in God’s command and combined with God’s word.
Which is that word of God?
Christ our Lord says in the last chapter of Matthew: “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” (Matt. 28:19)
Explanation of The Nature of Baptism
Second
What benefits does Baptism give?
It works forgiveness of sins, rescues from death and the devil, and gives eternal salvation to all who believe this, as the words and promises of God declare.
Which are these words and promises of God?
Christ our Lord says in the last chapter of Mark: “Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” (Mark 16:16)
Explanation of The Blessings of Baptism
Third
How can water do such great things?
Certainly not just water, but the word of God in and with the water does these things, along with the faith which trusts this word of God in the water. For without God’s word the water is plain water and no Baptism. But with the word of God it is a Baptism, that is, a life-giving water, rich in grace, and a washing of the new birth in the Holy Spirit, as St. Paul says in Titus, chapter three: “He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by His grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. This is a trustworthy saying.” (Titus 3:5-8)
Explanation of The Power of Baptism
Fourth
What does such baptizing with water indicate?
It indicates that the Old Adam in us should by daily contrition and repentance be drowned and die with all sins and evil desires, and that a new man should daily emerge and arise to live before God in righteousness and purity forever.
Where is this written?
St. Paul writes in Romans chapter six: “We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” (Rom. 6:4)
@@RobertEWaters In regards to Titus 3:5 and other similar verses, not every time when Scripture talks about "washing", "water" or even the word "baptism" is it referring specifically to water baptism. Holy Spirit baptism (1 Corinthians 12:13) is real and it is spiritual (not physical) and according to Ephesians 1:13, the Holy Spirit seals us after we trust in Christ, it has nothing to do with literal water. Remember John the Baptist said he baptizes with water, but we should look for the one coming who will baptize with the Holy Ghost (Matthew 3:11).
Either water washes away sins, or the blood does. It can't be both. Several times, the Scripture says that the blood of Jesus washes away all our sins. Since faith in his blood washes away all sins, there is nothing left for water to wash away (which is good because water does not even have such power).
"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission." - Hebrews 9:22 KJV
"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace" - Ephesians 1:7 KJV
The Lord Jesus said "ye must be born again" (John 3:7). Everyone is born once (physical birth by water when you leave your mother's womb), but in order to go to Heaven, you must be born again (spiritual birth). This only happens when a sinner realizes that they are lost, on their way to Hell, and they "call upon the name of the Lord" (Romans 10:13). In other words, they receive Jesus as their personal Saviour and he saves them.
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name" - John 1:12 KJV
This is why the Lord Jesus says "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:6). The first birth is fleshy, of this earth. But the new birth/second birth (the moment one gets saved/born again) is entirely a spiritual transaction. It has nothing to do with physical water or anything else you can see. It has everything to do with a sinner trusting Christ alone and getting his soul saved for eternity.
I grew up as Lutheran and we never used the sign of the cross. Makes no difference. Just another ritual. One must be born again. You only have to look at the number of people that have been baptised and confirmed yet have completely turned from God. Your churches are empty and closing down. Something is not right.
According to Jesus, we are born again "of water and the Spirit." Scripture never uses the term apart from baptism. In fact, Peter explicitly writes that "baptism saves you!"
Making the sign of the cross does not protect you from anything
Exactly, it is the Holy Spirit that protects not a made up tradition of the sign of the cross.
Nobody claims that it does. At least Lutherans don't. But it does remind you that you belong to Jesus and confess that fact to others, Where in the video do you hear that making the sign of the cross protects you, rather than reminding yourself that Jesus protects you? If you are referring to his statement that it even proclaims to the devil that you are Christ's, that doesn't mean that it's the act of making it that protects you!
@@kurt4032 Well, Jesus does.
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Actually, it was the LCA.