My favorite bike is a used 2011 Lynskey Cooper Ti bike that I bought last New Years for $1500. It already had an Enve fork and Bontrager XXX Lite carbon rims. So simple but elegant in my eyes. Love it. Never going back to carbon.
Not being aware of Aliexpress or Alibaba in 2019 is more or less ridiculous. Titanium frames all day long for cheap. In fact the entire bike shown built with complete Sensah empire groupset and carbon clinchers is about 1, 600 bucks total. All titanium comes from China folks.
Mark thanks. I picked up a Waltly mountain bike frame second hand, and it's now my fave bike. Although I've got a Lynskey Ti bike, the Waltly is like a Porsche and fun to ride. Impressive quality!
Mark, thank you, I just found this very informative video 4 yrs later as I am in 2024 and about to embark on a self-build titanium road bike. I am at the research stage and as far as I can see, this Waltly Chinese frame on your bike seems to be similar in quality to such well known brands as Lightspeed & Lynskey amongst others in the west. My cycling journey spanning 50 years is based entirely on using mechanical shifters and rim brakes and I am not at all convinced that there are any significant advantages in adopting disk brakes. I think they’re over-hyped and a lot more difficult to maintain not to mention additional costs. In my opinion a good set of durace rim brakes and decent carbon wheels like the ones you’ve fitted are still unbeatable. As for electronic shifters, I’ll have to weigh up the pros and cons of going electronic with a Sram groups. Any additional advice would be most appreciated.
I am a big fan of titanium frames. My last 3 frames have all been from Lynskey, and I have been extremely pleased with all of them. It's great that you have been able to find a solution that works for you, and that you enjoy it. For me, the biggest surprise in the video is that De Rosa and Pinarello are made in factories that, admittedly in one person's opinion, are second tier.
Thanks for this Mark, I’ve just been through a titanium build myself. In last few months Lynskey (Ti since the 80s with Litespeed and then Lynskey) had one of their Road frames shipped from their Chattanooga, Tennessee factory for US$875 ( inc. shipping to Aus). But usually they are a lot more than that although I got my Lynskey GR270 gravel frame set including carbon fork, titanium seat post and Cane Creek headset for US$1,500 so even with a US made known brand with history, titanium doesn’t have to be expensive. Good quality carbon frame sets are way more expensive. As far as carbon versus titanium goes, it’s a different thing, horses for courses naturally. Compared to my Canyon Ultimate, the titanium gravel bike with road tyres just doesn’t have the out-of-the-saddle power transfer or nippy tightness of carbon in the way it goes but titanium has so much comfort and compliance that it’s like riding on a cloud. No wonder ultra endurance riders like them for all day comfort and suit gravel as well. Mine is 9.3kg with 2x Ultegra and gravel tyres so no as light as a carbon bike but tough for the conditions
AMPITUP ITTY I get the theory behind your question. As I ride the Ti bike daily for commuting, it’s occurred to me the extra 2kg over my carbon Canyon and compliance through the frame make it less ‘sprightly’ by some margin and that it might be marginally more effective for training. But really you can do as many others do and simply run training wheels / tyres on your carbon bike and get your marginal training benefit. I think there’s lot more effective things you can do with training than simply running a heavier bike. It might have some marginal benefit but switching to the carbon bike is more in the feel - a bit like putting your deep dish carbon race wheels on. I am appreciating both for different reasons. Choose a Ti bike for other reasons and other uses that benefit from a tough but compliant frame with all day comfort. N+1 is always a good reason :)
I have five Lynskey Titanium frame bicycles (plus an older Litespeed) but they all predate disc brakes. I see these days Lynskey only sells disc frames now having moved on to the latest trends. I have nice older steel frame bicycles and a nice half carbon/half aluminum bicycle but my favorite ones are the Titanium ones. The reason I have so many Lynskeys is that for some reason they cleared out a ton of Titanium frames and carbon forks on eBay 5-6 years ago direct from the factory at tremendous discounts. I was able to pick up frame/fork combinations for less than half the regular cost of just a normal frame. A bunch of my friends bought them as well as they were such a good deal but the company seems to have scaled models back these days and I never see them sell direct on eBay anymore.
@@jaycahow4667Lynskey still seem to discount a lot straight from the factory but you’re right, the deal I got on their GR270 gravel frame set with carbon fork, titanium seat post, brushed finish, etched graphics (no stickers for me) and Cane Creek 110 headset was excellent 4.5yrs ago. I’m on the mail list and I get tempted when I see they are only asking US$1,150 for an R300 road disk frame but by the time you get the etched graphics and a carbon fork the price starts to get up there but they are still cheap frames for titanium.
Great video Mark. Thanks for sharing and can't wait to see more updates done about this bike. You're dead right that titanium is very expensive from most of the bike brands. But still titanium is to drool over for me so this really hits the spot for what I would say is the majority of riders that would like titanium.
and for the record I think we have similar opinions; I'm not anti-western brand by any means. I ride 'western' bikes and I ride Chinese bikes. It's about putting the information out there and letting people choose what they want. Cycling shouldn't be only for the rich, so lowering prices is only good for consumers too. I liked the bit with the factor CEO too. While I disagree that open mold bikes are the worst thing for the industry, what he said about different tier factories, etc was totally accurate. Interesting video!
Simply having a naked titanium frame , unpainted corrosion resistant, that you can do a quick visual inspection with gives me confidence in a bike frame. A carbon bike that has a little creek that you can't find isn't fun to ride.
Wow, wasn’t expecting to be recommended a CM video after not seeing any of the channel for 4-5 years. I hope all is well with Maven and family. Such fond memories, it was such a great channel. Rhino, anyone remember him? Such a great character! Ah man, where has the time gone!? It flys by…💨
Very nice, however the rear brake mount issue could be a huge problem for someone who doesn't have very professional bike shop nearby. It's not a small issue, it's a big one!
i am genuinely curious how the 90 dollars carbon fork hold out? would love to hear an update on your experience riding the bike for the last few months.
Mark 6 months on since you shared this video, pls can you provide an update. How’s it been, has it lived up to what you expected, hows the quality now is it standing up to the use. Any problems issues etc. Would love to see an update. Many thanks
JF Rides my name is Jeeefff. I had a titanium colnago it cracked in the headtube and a titanium mountain bike failed at the welds. Titanium bikes are known to fail at the Welds and Through Time the metal cracks. This is a known fact. Metal cannot Outlast carbon that's just ridiculous. If you crack your carbon frame it's fixable. All carbon frames are fixable no matter the damage.
If you damage your metal frame it's garbage. I smashed my carbon frame and I paid $350 and they fixed it it's as good as new. I can put out 1500 watts and nothing happens to the bike. If you bend your frame it's going to cost more to fix it then what you bought it for . 👈 fact!
Great to see ya face mate. Hanging to go for a spin. Hope this gets the ball rolling on some more content broseff. There's people having Cycling Mace withdrawals out there.. 😘
Hi Mark, Great video. Apologies if I missed it but what was the finished weight of the built bike? Turning 50 next year and thought about a "special" bike as a present for myself and had a look at Baum......circa 10k + for the titanium frame!
Mark Ferguson, Darren used to set his prices to line up with Seven. If you have a look at the welds you will see just how much better the welding is on a Baum compared to a Chinese made frame. Whether it’s worth that much extra money depends on your budget
@@geoffsemon7411 The waltly welds look absolutely fine. While they're not sanded down they're structurally sound. So many armchair engineers think they know what a good weld looks like...
Other Chinese frames to look at are XACD who make frames for Habanero and Titan Titanium. I’m about to get a custom titanium gravel bike frame with S&S couplers for about $1200usd delivered to Sydney. I had my frame designed by Steve Hogg so I know the design is going to be perfect. We already have a couple of ti Seven’s road bikes and a Habanero. For good quality carbon rims I build a lot of Lightbicycle rims but Nextie are also really good quality
Hi Mark! Enjoyed the video.. thank you! Could you tell me the spec or components on your bike please... - what wheels - disc brakes - saddle -stem - handlebars - seatpost?!! I would be very interested to know! Dave Mac.
hello. i just went through a similar process and i see you have the same rear dropouts as my frame with that teardrop piece that seems to hold some kind of thru axle nut. can you please tell what you did for this? what thru axle size did you wind up using? was there an axle nut? thank you!
Thank you Mark. Personally having been buying Carbon products from China for past 9 years with no issues,I would say the biggest problem for bike manufactures now ,is big brands having frames made in China for £400 and then putting a retail price of £4,000. If consumers have access to those same factories and so can ‘risk’ paying 10% of retail for a product....what do manufacturers expect? If anyone cares to check out Luescher Teknik on RUclips it appears that ‘genuine’ branded frames have plenty of imperfections and often fail......
Durianrider Cycling Tips OK but I have been riding 50 years. I’ve had steel 531 handbuilt frames crack. Several aluminum frames crack. Been riding Chinese carbon frames for 9 years and no probs....yet. I love my Chinese £250 carbon wheels .I built a Chinarello with carbon one piece bars/stem years ago for someone who seemed to crash every bloody race he was in and I made him change his bars although couldn’t see any crack! I just get pissed off every time someone in the bike industry tries to tell consumers ‘never buy carbon from China direct’ or you could die. Just hate bullshit.
Durianrider,yes carbon can ‘just fail’ with no warning.But I have seen aluminum bars break in half,steel and titanium bottom brackets snap. Also I have had a Zeus and 2 Campagnolo Record aluminum cranks break -throwing me onto the road...on a separate note,thank you for all your brilliant,interesting,truthful RUclips work
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Hi friend. I am interested in building a frame and I do not doubt the quality of waltly but I have a question ... how am I going to mount the brakes and have them match in the exact place? I never did an assembly and I believe that the CAD drawing of the frame is provided by Waltly before its manufacture, I only think of buying wheels, hubs, brakes and passing the measurements ...... I want to assemble a Pinion system with Carbon Drive belt and I also do not find a solution so that the belt is completely aligned, maybe the same recipe buy the rear wheel, the hub and measure it ...... I followed your advice and chose a model from a famous manufacturer where the measurements come but there are things that do not come in specs. How did you solve it? Thank you very much.
This is a great help for those of us wanting to go that route the first time, thank you. That bike is beautiful, but I must ask how are the chainstays and seatstays holding up when fully loaded at top speeds? Any flex? Chainstay to seat post welds? Thanks
Good review indeed. I am in a process of helping my mate build a Ti frame out and we are looking at Waltly. Before we get to that, I concur with the need to understand your bike fit requirements. You used an Aeroad as a template, and given Aeroad is designed for speed and inherent stiffness neing carbon materials, we are looking to build out an endurance style bike. Are you able to comment on expectations when mirroring another bikes dimensions ? I am assuming by mirroring, you are simply sizing it that way, and naturally not all the performance attributes will come across. Appreciate your any relevant feedback.
I bought a Hasa Ti800 for $2100 complete with Shimano 105 11 speed and rim brakes. Did Indipac team relay on it twice and it hasn't skipped a beat. It is my regular road adventure bike and is really comfortable to ride. I love my Trek Madone 7 series Project One when I want to do spirited effort or a race.
Great video clip Mark,great value for money Ti frameset.You have some serious stem length on the bike in the background.Is it a Ritchey WCS Pro 140mm?Cheers.
Thanks for posting Mark. I am keen to go titanium. Primarily because of the material properties with respect to ride comfort. But also like the thought of potentially being able to hand it down to my kid one day. Besides the new bikes on the market all seem to be same same and hyper expensive. Great videos as always.
Where are you located? If you’re in the US Lynskey and Lightspeed offer made in USA framesets for very reasonable prices with excellent finishing/tolerances and top notch customer support. I’d wager there are similar builders in Europe or Australia. Ti really is a great value but it’s not very workable so treat it like carbon where it’s important for the MFG to get it right from day one.
Hey Mark, how do you pay Waltly for the frame? Is it PayPal, bank to bank, or is it something that can be done through online? I'm not convinced to pay them through PayPal because I might not receive the frame but they already receive my payment. What are your thoughts about it?
Lovely bike, here in the UK I have a Kinesis titanium with Sram red etap disc, I'm fairly sure it's a Chinese made frame, not a problem and build is top quality, 👍🚴♂️
I've had direct experience with this kind of frame production, where they weld tubes by injecting Argon into the tube... After two years my frame started to show cracks on the weldings and failed. The problem with cheap production is that they don't weld titanium in the proper way, closed chambers filled with Argon, so to avoid pollution with oxygen and future oxidation which lead to cracks and titanium welding fatigue. When they weld by injecting Argon into the tube, the external part is totally exposed to oxygen during the welding, and all that external parts will oxidize faster and break faster. I went to Nevi in Bergamo, Sergio Finazzi really know how to make a titanium frame, the prices are for sure different, but there you can keep the frame for a lifetime.
Philip nik how is it exposed to oxygen when the TIG torch is pouring Argon out the end of it? Without the Argon shielding you can’t weld the outside anyway. It’s called purging you purge the tube so it doesn’t get what we call cauliflower inside it ends up penetrating the tube and leaving smooth penetration marks
@@rayw9067 I'm in no means a welder, my only experience was a frame I bought from a company where I saw pictures of the welding process, (that frame cracked because of oxidation after few 4 or 5 years)... and another experience (another frame) I went to Bergamo by Nevi Cycles, Sergio Finazzi the owner showed me around and explained me, the process, showed me the chamber where the final welding is made. So, lets say I trust him. Than, because I'm in no way a professional in this branch, I keep my mind open.
I’d say the frame cracked because lack of penetration or dirty steel, possibly pulled as it cooled. But I’m not having s go either I’m just saying I wouldn’t think that welding it in an environment that is not Argon filled would make stuff all difference as most welders purge then start up so it’s oxygen free anyway. I think a lot of frame problems are $$$ people want the best they can get for stuff all money. I do a lot of stainless 316 and aluminium fabrication at work and even the purest of stainless now has crap coming out of it most likely because it’s all being sourced out of countries that don’t have great quality control
Thanks Mark. I was one of your first viewers watching your in-race analysis. Glad you're still around. Noce video. Did you mention the Chinese wheel manufacturer? I have two sets of Yoeleo wheels, no problems at all with them. Thanks again, love Titanium, maybe some day will do it. 👍🏼
Lynskey Performance does sell some frames on eBay for relatively cheap. Some for under $1000 USD. Few years ago they had top end frames for $700 USD. Great for someone looking for a Ti frame, not so good for those of us that got one at a bike shop. Kind of de-values your bike. They do make good frames, not absolutely 100% perfect.
Interesting theory. We all know bikes are more expensive during spring and summer and can be had cheaper during winter clearance. If I really needed to buy bike in summer, spent money and used bike, then why would I regret my buy, even knowing I paid more than someone during cold season? Buyer's remorse, if only.
Yer cervelos and cannondales? Someone hasn't been watching Hambini recently! Do highly recommend his long engineering breakdown/rant videos he's put up lately if you've got the time. Very nerdy, lots of good info and a fair bit of a laugh!
@@ijrm37 Good engineering starts with good design. If I buy a frame for 3000 Dollar and it has a poor bottom bracket fit because of the engineers behind it to cut the cost. Then the frame is garbage. Hambini also mentioned that the cervelo had a bottom bracket that was slightly misalligned and has a cone which is a part of bad manufacturing. I think they are afraid of the open mold frame builders because they offer good prices for theire product. Buy a Hongfu frame and look at the quality ... . Carbon frames are on the market for 10 years now. The prices going up year by year not down, why ? The chinese companies are not stuipid. They evolved over the years and some of them offer a competitive quality. Those guys are blaming them for poor quality because they are afraid of loosing some of the market to them. Its logical. There are also cowboy factories on the market which offer junk frames. If you use google for 10 minutes you will see the good ones.
Waltly make real quality bikes. Seriously impressed by the craftsmanship evident in the frames. Highly recommended. I love the way the Factor guy classes carbon factories working for Cervelo, Trek, Giant, Cannondale as first tier, and De Rosa and Pinarello as Second tier. I think there are a few people who would question that.
Hi Jonathan, I'm looking at ordering a Waltly road frame myself. Am fairly knowledgeable with frame design and what I want. Will likely decide my geometry from comparisons in designs I like the look of from Mosaic and a few others. Any tips from your experience?
@@traviswade4851 Best bet is to copy something that works for you. As Waltly is reasonably priced I experimented a little more than I might have done with a more expensive builder, but I'm only talking minor adjustments to pretty standard Italian racing bike geometry (Colnago, Pegoretti). BikeCad is very helpful as China Cycling mentions. For tube sizes, I'm 65kg and went with 35mm TT, 44,5mm DT, 35mm ST, 16mm SS, 26x17 CS and HT 42/52. With 0.9mm PG tubing throughout that works well for a solid but comfortable ride (with 25 or 28mm tyres at 6 bar) but I certainly could also have gone with 31.7 TT and 40 DT and saved a little weight. Regarding fittings etc., I just went for tapered integrated head tube, external cables, and blasted finish. Looks and rides great, and certainly the best frame I have owned (out of Pinarello, Colnago, Merckx and few others). Good luck :)
@@jonathanbird173 Hi thanks for that! Yes I've done similar in terms of copying geometry and reviewing in BikeCad. Has helped and I've learnt a lot. Thanks for the tubing details, I'll do some comparisons for myself and my weight.
A very neat build. If you don't mind sharing. What was the cost break down of your entire build? You did share about the frame, fork, seat post clamp. But not the rest of it :)
@@wuthemaurine735 Yes a few companies are working with a special "super magnesium" alloy that is now as resistant to corrosion as aluminum. It is lighter but not as strong as aluminum. I have heard it is somewhere between carbon and aluminum in dampening. I guess we will have to see if it catches on though.
Waltly frame are great value for money. Welding is pretty ordinary and I don’t like the way they do cable entry points but that’s just me. I built up one recently for a guy who races and he loves it and finds it plenty stiff enough. They used to try making frames to light and they had a rep for being a bit noodle but frames today are excellent.
I think its bollocks and Cervelo is total dogshit regarding tolerances and geometry - all of their bbs are out of alignment, Hambini blow Dentistovelo apart already. Guy probably has a dog in this fight
Yeah, I know 4 people who have ordered one. Same small issues with all of them - it is to be expected that something will be slightly out in terms of measurements or tiny details.
I have got a lynsky titanium bike with disc brakes and shimano 105 drive train. The rims are easton carbon fibre, so I'm not sure how they rate in the big picture. I did work at zipp many years ago and can tell you the early campagnolo wheels are something to stay away from as well as spinergy as they do fail. Spinergy at the rivets, but things have moved along the way from those early days. I do not like the idea of rim brakes on carbon fibre rims as the prepreg carbon fibre is heat sensitive as I used to true up full disc wheels with a heat gun. Surely, a big long decent at speed, then hitting rim brakes and generating a lot of heat on bends is not a good mixture. The big thing is what the specification is on the resin used on the rims. I do not think you will ever know, and I have come off my bike at 50mph or 80kph, hiting an oil patch on a bend. I am sure I am not the fastest guy out there, so it's just something to think about. Sliding on bitumen at 80kph is not a good feeling, and when you see the pros, do it on all sorts of surfaces it is best to avoid that kind of event where possible and still have some fun out there.
Disagree with Rob. Ive NEVER seen a carbon bike break from power. Ive also never seen a carbon fork fail from a void. What we ALL see though is carbon breaking from being crashed or clamped. We DO see fork steerers snapping from the split ring etching into the steerer from a loose headset OR having spacers put on top of the stem and then the steeerer plug doesnt go down deep enough to protect the steerer. I also love how Rob said 'second tier factories used by pinarello and de rosa...' lol. #shadethrown
something like this but with t47 and external cabels and maby a wishbone will be my next build. this and rapidtitan are one of the only affordable ti frames with thru axles
That frame's finish looks similar to the Stainless steel Otso Warakin I have, I wonder what's the difference between Ti and Stainless Steel besides steel weighing more.
I got on a titanium bike around millennium, and ever since that material is my first choice. Especially on bad roads i like the responsiveness, it’s a smooth but still forward ride,no issues with corrosion and a nice shiny glance to it. Although it’s extremely challenging to bring paint on titanium,it is possible. And in difference to steel for example the material isn’t weakened after 30000 km,it still feels like the first time.I‘d always prefer 3Al2.5V as it is not as brittle as 4/6 composition. I can drop a hammer on my tubes and it doesn’t even scratch Best for heavy use/in the winter/thrown around at the airport. It’s the bike you’ve always been dreaming of 🚴🏽💦
miticad d Normal way for steel for decades: tubes brazed on lugs with silver solder. When we got new frames from our sponsor at the beginning of the season the frame was WAY STIFFER than 10 month later with 25000 km. That amount of load and pressure was enough to weaken the frame significantly. In the eighties they began to weld together the tubes directly ,what made them stiffer,but still after heavy use the frames got weaker and weaker. Plus due to the asymmetric power unit the rear chainstays got bent so that the rear wheel gets out of true.
miticad d yes,like the frames are „softer“,bending from one site to the other. Depends on the quality and thickness of the tubes. With 80 kg + 191cm height you would’nt ride a columbus slx frame - on a descent you would have experienced strange vibrations at speeds of 70 km/h. Breaks and cracks are rare,although i’ve seen some,mostly right side chain stays. Stiffness comes from the head tube,the shorter this tube is,the stiffer is the frame. The more load you put on steel frames,the more flexible the frame will get. Bike wheels are not counterbalanced (why not?!every car and motorbike is),so the faster the wheels are spinning-at some point you have massive vibrations on the handlebar. Another thing is the heat at production: No matter if you weld the tubes together or you braze them into lugs: the tubes will be overexposed to heat-tubes will glow orange throughout thermal stress,and that affects the steel ,whereas Titanium can cope much better with that heat . So for lugged steel frames it is very important,which percentage is the amount of silver in the silver solder. The more silver is in the solder,the lower are the temperatures,the less „harm“ will be done to the tubes-think you call it cold joint
miticad d yes,steel is real!In the eighties you could pay 100bucks on top and the bike shop would put liquid wax in the tubes to prevent corrosion,what really was a good idea.Love my chromed Casati steel frame,but only take it out on sunny days. If you want to check the condition of a steel bike,then take a wire,sling it around the head tube and lead both ends to the rear drop outs: then you can measure the distance from the wire to the seat tube. A steel frame will be ok for a new build up when the difference is not more than 3-4mm. 🤙 🚴🏽💦
It is smoother. Titanium eats up road buzz very well. I used to be anal about my pant job on my carbon framed Specialized, but now that I have a titanium bike I dont give a fuck what gets on it because it is not going to damage titanium unless I crash.
I have bought a Waltly frame, and I now have a fantastic Ti bike. Its superb Its designed to be my Audax bike hopefully I will be on the startline for PBP 2027
I too have a titanium frame built by the same company last year. Already put about 1,500km on it and really loved it.
My favorite bike is a used 2011 Lynskey Cooper Ti bike that I bought last New Years for $1500. It already had an Enve fork and Bontrager XXX Lite carbon rims. So simple but elegant in my eyes. Love it. Never going back to carbon.
The bike was 9.1kg finished with pedals and bidon cages. Not light but maybe fewer donuts and I'll compensate. ;-)
where did you get the wheel fork and the rest?\
You seem to have lost lots of kilos already. Saw your channel after a long time. Miss the cycling videos
Not being aware of Aliexpress or Alibaba in 2019 is more or less ridiculous. Titanium frames all day long for cheap. In fact the entire bike shown built with complete Sensah empire groupset and carbon clinchers is about 1, 600 bucks total. All titanium comes from China folks.
but being practical now a days that frame will last forever compare to carbon frames.
@@rlkmtb6272 ha ha ha shit for brains! ruclips.net/video/aBChYkV6RdM/видео.html
Hi! Been wanting to ask how's the frame now after this amount of time and if you kept it still? Thanks!
Mark thanks. I picked up a Waltly mountain bike frame second hand, and it's now my fave bike. Although I've got a Lynskey Ti bike, the Waltly is like a Porsche and fun to ride. Impressive quality!
Mark, thank you, I just found this very informative video 4 yrs later as I am in 2024 and about to embark on a self-build titanium road bike. I am at the research stage and as far as I can see, this Waltly Chinese frame on your bike seems to be similar in quality to such well known brands as Lightspeed & Lynskey amongst others in the west. My cycling journey spanning 50 years is based entirely on using mechanical shifters and rim brakes and I am not at all convinced that there are any significant advantages in adopting disk brakes. I think they’re over-hyped and a lot more difficult to maintain not to mention additional costs. In my opinion a good set of durace rim brakes and decent carbon wheels like the ones you’ve fitted are still unbeatable. As for electronic shifters, I’ll have to weigh up the pros and cons of going electronic with a Sram groups. Any additional advice would be most appreciated.
I am a big fan of titanium frames. My last 3 frames have all been from Lynskey, and I have been extremely pleased with all of them. It's great that you have been able to find a solution that works for you, and that you enjoy it.
For me, the biggest surprise in the video is that De Rosa and Pinarello are made in factories that, admittedly in one person's opinion, are second tier.
Thanks for this Mark, I’ve just been through a titanium build myself. In last few months Lynskey (Ti since the 80s with Litespeed and then Lynskey) had one of their Road frames shipped from their Chattanooga, Tennessee factory for US$875 ( inc. shipping to Aus). But usually they are a lot more than that although I got my Lynskey GR270 gravel frame set including carbon fork, titanium seat post and Cane Creek headset for US$1,500 so even with a US made known brand with history, titanium doesn’t have to be expensive. Good quality carbon frame sets are way more expensive.
As far as carbon versus titanium goes, it’s a different thing, horses for courses naturally. Compared to my Canyon Ultimate, the titanium gravel bike with road tyres just doesn’t have the out-of-the-saddle power transfer or nippy tightness of carbon in the way it goes but titanium has so much comfort and compliance that it’s like riding on a cloud. No wonder ultra endurance riders like them for all day comfort and suit gravel as well. Mine is 9.3kg with 2x Ultegra and gravel tyres so no as light as a carbon bike but tough for the conditions
AMPITUP ITTY I get the theory behind your question. As I ride the Ti bike daily for commuting, it’s occurred to me the extra 2kg over my carbon Canyon and compliance through the frame make it less ‘sprightly’ by some margin and that it might be marginally more effective for training. But really you can do as many others do and simply run training wheels / tyres on your carbon bike and get your marginal training benefit. I think there’s lot more effective things you can do with training than simply running a heavier bike. It might have some marginal benefit but switching to the carbon bike is more in the feel - a bit like putting your deep dish carbon race wheels on. I am appreciating both for different reasons. Choose a Ti bike for other reasons and other uses that benefit from a tough but compliant frame with all day comfort. N+1 is always a good reason :)
I have five Lynskey Titanium frame bicycles (plus an older Litespeed) but they all predate disc brakes. I see these days Lynskey only sells disc frames now having moved on to the latest trends. I have nice older steel frame bicycles and a nice half carbon/half aluminum bicycle but my favorite ones are the Titanium ones. The reason I have so many Lynskeys is that for some reason they cleared out a ton of Titanium frames and carbon forks on eBay 5-6 years ago direct from the factory at tremendous discounts. I was able to pick up frame/fork combinations for less than half the regular cost of just a normal frame. A bunch of my friends bought them as well as they were such a good deal but the company seems to have scaled models back these days and I never see them sell direct on eBay anymore.
@@jaycahow4667Lynskey still seem to discount a lot straight from the factory but you’re right, the deal I got on their GR270 gravel frame set with carbon fork, titanium seat post, brushed finish, etched graphics (no stickers for me) and Cane Creek 110 headset was excellent 4.5yrs ago.
I’m on the mail list and I get tempted when I see they are only asking US$1,150 for an R300 road disk frame but by the time you get the etched graphics and a carbon fork the price starts to get up there but they are still cheap frames for titanium.
Great video Mark. Thanks for sharing and can't wait to see more updates done about this bike. You're dead right that titanium is very expensive from most of the bike brands. But still titanium is to drool over for me so this really hits the spot for what I would say is the majority of riders that would like titanium.
Thanks for posting the process. Great to see that you are trying new things.
Beautiful bike! Did you use double butted titanium or just normal straight gauge? Thank you!
Good to see more people showing the world what gems there are in Chinese bike parts. Good on ya mate.
and for the record I think we have similar opinions; I'm not anti-western brand by any means. I ride 'western' bikes and I ride Chinese bikes. It's about putting the information out there and letting people choose what they want. Cycling shouldn't be only for the rich, so lowering prices is only good for consumers too. I liked the bit with the factor CEO too. While I disagree that open mold bikes are the worst thing for the industry, what he said about different tier factories, etc was totally accurate. Interesting video!
China Cycling all i got was Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla ha ha ha ha 👌
Simply having a naked titanium frame , unpainted corrosion resistant, that you can do a quick visual inspection with gives me confidence in a bike frame.
A carbon bike that has a little creek that you can't find isn't fun to ride.
Oh titanium can creek too... trust me :) Especially when something steel goes in contact with it, and on the bike it most definately will ;)
I am a Ti convert. Light, lively, and no concern about cracking your carbon frame in a routine crash.
Hey mark , is this walty frame still doing good? I wanna check on long term reliability
Thanks Mark, I'll be doing this shortly.
Wow, wasn’t expecting to be recommended a CM video after not seeing any of the channel for 4-5 years. I hope all is well with Maven and family. Such fond memories, it was such a great channel. Rhino, anyone remember him? Such a great character! Ah man, where has the time gone!? It flys by…💨
Very nice, however the rear brake mount issue could be a huge problem for someone who doesn't have very professional bike shop nearby. It's not a small issue, it's a big one!
PoltergeistWorks yeah and I am thinking, if they can’t get this right, what else have they stuffed up 😒
I’ve started the Waltly process thanks to this vid and others.
Cheers mate.
i am genuinely curious how the 90 dollars carbon fork hold out? would love to hear an update on your experience riding the bike for the last few months.
Mark 6 months on since you shared this video, pls can you provide an update. How’s it been, has it lived up to what you expected, hows the quality now is it standing up to the use. Any problems issues etc. Would love to see an update. Many thanks
I agree. It would be great to hear how it is going after a few months.
Mark,
That frame looks absolutely amazing. Titanium will last forever and is light and comfortable as well. Glad to see your bike videos again.
ha ha ha No it don't .. forever ha ha ha
Harry Tzianskis The God of Speed titanium has lasted alot longer for me than any of my carbon frames. I guess to each their own experiences.
JF Rides my name is Jeeefff. I had a titanium colnago it cracked in the headtube and a titanium mountain bike failed at the welds. Titanium bikes are known to fail at the Welds and Through Time the metal cracks. This is a known fact. Metal cannot Outlast carbon that's just ridiculous. If you crack your carbon frame it's fixable. All carbon frames are fixable no matter the damage.
Harry Tzianskis The God of Speed sorry to hear about your frame. I cannot say I have had the same exerience.
If you damage your metal frame it's garbage. I smashed my carbon frame and I paid $350 and they fixed it it's as good as new. I can put out 1500 watts and nothing happens to the bike. If you bend your frame it's going to cost more to fix it then what you bought it for . 👈 fact!
Great to see ya face mate. Hanging to go for a spin. Hope this gets the ball rolling on some more content broseff. There's people having Cycling Mace withdrawals out there.. 😘
Hi great video! I'm in the middle of the process to have my own frame from Waltly. Can You tell how is the bike doing after 3 years of use?
Good to see you back on RUclips
Hi Mark,
Great video. Apologies if I missed it but what was the finished weight of the built bike?
Turning 50 next year and thought about a "special" bike as a present for myself and had a look at Baum......circa 10k + for the titanium frame!
Yep, regardless of Baum's reputation and build quality, 10k for a frameset is ludicrous.
Mark Ferguson, Darren used to set his prices to line up with Seven. If you have a look at the welds you will see just how much better the welding is on a Baum compared to a Chinese made frame. Whether it’s worth that much extra money depends on your budget
@@geoffsemon7411 The waltly welds look absolutely fine. While they're not sanded down they're structurally sound. So many armchair engineers think they know what a good weld looks like...
Other Chinese frames to look at are XACD who make frames for Habanero and Titan Titanium. I’m about to get a custom titanium gravel bike frame with S&S couplers for about $1200usd delivered to Sydney. I had my frame designed by Steve Hogg so I know the design is going to be perfect. We already have a couple of ti Seven’s road bikes and a Habanero. For good quality carbon rims I build a lot of Lightbicycle rims but Nextie are also really good quality
been looking forward to this video for a while. thanks mark!
Nice bike 👍And you’re looking good the training must be going well 😊
Hi Mark! Enjoyed the video.. thank you!
Could you tell me the spec or components on your bike please...
- what wheels
- disc brakes
- saddle
-stem
- handlebars
- seatpost?!!
I would be very interested to know!
Dave Mac.
hello. i just went through a similar process and i see you have the same rear dropouts as my frame with that teardrop piece that seems to hold some kind of thru axle nut. can you please tell what you did for this? what thru axle size did you wind up using? was there an axle nut? thank you!
Thank you Mark. Personally having been buying Carbon products from China for past 9 years with no issues,I would say the biggest problem for bike manufactures now ,is big brands having frames made in China for £400 and then putting a retail price of £4,000. If consumers have access to those same factories and so can ‘risk’ paying 10% of retail for a product....what do manufacturers expect? If anyone cares to check out Luescher Teknik on RUclips it appears that ‘genuine’ branded frames have plenty of imperfections and often fail......
what you say is true EXCEPT that carbon frames 'just fail'.
Durianrider Cycling Tips OK but I have been riding 50 years. I’ve had steel 531 handbuilt frames crack. Several aluminum frames crack. Been riding Chinese carbon frames for 9 years and no probs....yet. I love my Chinese £250 carbon wheels .I built a Chinarello with carbon one piece bars/stem years ago for someone who seemed to crash every bloody race he was in and I made him change his bars although couldn’t see any crack! I just get pissed off every time someone in the bike industry tries to tell consumers ‘never buy carbon from China direct’ or you could die. Just hate bullshit.
Durianrider,yes carbon can ‘just fail’ with no warning.But I have seen aluminum bars break in half,steel and titanium bottom brackets snap. Also I have had a Zeus and 2 Campagnolo Record aluminum cranks break -throwing me onto the road...on a separate note,thank you for all your brilliant,interesting,truthful RUclips work
Hi friend. I am interested in building a frame and I do not doubt the quality of waltly but I have a question ... how am I going to mount the brakes and have them match in the exact place? I never did an assembly and I believe that the CAD drawing of the frame is provided by Waltly before its manufacture, I only think of buying wheels, hubs, brakes and passing the measurements ...... I want to assemble a Pinion system with Carbon Drive belt and I also do not find a solution so that the belt is completely aligned, maybe the same recipe buy the rear wheel, the hub and measure it ...... I followed your advice and chose a model from a famous manufacturer where the measurements come but there are things that do not come in specs. How did you solve it? Thank you very much.
Nice video mark, something I’ve been looking to do myself. Keep up the good work 🤜🏼🤛🏻
So you just BOUGHT a Ti frame you didnt built it.
This is a great help for those of us wanting to go that route the first time, thank you.
That bike is beautiful, but I must ask how are the chainstays and seatstays holding up when fully loaded at top speeds? Any flex?
Chainstay to seat post welds?
Thanks
Good review indeed. I am in a process of helping my mate build a Ti frame out and we are looking at Waltly. Before we get to that, I concur with the need to understand your bike fit requirements. You used an Aeroad as a template, and given Aeroad is designed for speed and inherent stiffness neing carbon materials, we are looking to build out an endurance style bike. Are you able to comment on expectations when mirroring another bikes dimensions ? I am assuming by mirroring, you are simply sizing it that way, and naturally not all the performance attributes will come across. Appreciate your any relevant feedback.
I bought a Hasa Ti800 for $2100 complete with Shimano 105 11 speed and rim brakes. Did Indipac team relay on it twice and it hasn't skipped a beat. It is my regular road adventure bike and is really comfortable to ride. I love my Trek Madone 7 series Project One when I want to do spirited effort or a race.
Great video clip Mark,great value for money Ti frameset.You have some serious stem length on the bike in the background.Is it a Ritchey WCS Pro 140mm?Cheers.
Informative and encouraging 👍
Thanks 😊
Thanks for posting Mark. I am keen to go titanium. Primarily because of the material properties with respect to ride comfort. But also like the thought of potentially being able to hand it down to my kid one day. Besides the new bikes on the market all seem to be same same and hyper expensive. Great videos as always.
Get a bike made from a reputable maker with good quality control. Disc brakes are good, but there really isnt anything wrong with rim brakes.
Where are you located? If you’re in the US Lynskey and Lightspeed offer made in USA framesets for very reasonable prices with excellent finishing/tolerances and top notch customer support. I’d wager there are similar builders in Europe or Australia. Ti really is a great value but it’s not very workable so treat it like carbon where it’s important for the MFG to get it right from day one.
Hey Mark, how do you pay Waltly for the frame? Is it PayPal, bank to bank, or is it something that can be done through online? I'm not convinced to pay them through PayPal because I might not receive the frame but they already receive my payment. What are your thoughts about it?
Lovely bike, here in the UK I have a Kinesis titanium with Sram red etap disc, I'm fairly sure it's a Chinese made frame, not a problem and build is top quality, 👍🚴♂️
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Great video Maven! Where can I get those wheels?? Thanks mate
Hi Mark, may I know hows the bike after 1 year of riding it. Does it still hold up after tons of riding?
I've had direct experience with this kind of frame production, where they weld tubes by injecting Argon into the tube... After two years my frame started to show cracks on the weldings and failed. The problem with cheap production is that they don't weld titanium in the proper way, closed chambers filled with Argon, so to avoid pollution with oxygen and future oxidation which lead to cracks and titanium welding fatigue. When they weld by injecting Argon into the tube, the external part is totally exposed to oxygen during the welding, and all that external parts will oxidize faster and break faster.
I went to Nevi in Bergamo, Sergio Finazzi really know how to make a titanium frame, the prices are for sure different, but there you can keep the frame for a lifetime.
Philip nik how is it exposed to oxygen when the TIG torch is pouring Argon out the end of it? Without the Argon shielding you can’t weld the outside anyway. It’s called purging you purge the tube so it doesn’t get what we call cauliflower inside it ends up penetrating the tube and leaving smooth penetration marks
@@rayw9067 Philip nik seems like a gullible chap who went to Nevi and believed all the BS Sergio was telling him.
@@rayw9067 I'm in no means a welder, my only experience was a frame I bought from a company where I saw pictures of the welding process, (that frame cracked because of oxidation after few 4 or 5 years)...
and another experience (another frame) I went to Bergamo by Nevi Cycles, Sergio Finazzi the owner showed me around and explained me, the process, showed me the chamber where the final welding is made.
So, lets say I trust him.
Than, because I'm in no way a professional in this branch, I keep my mind open.
@@rayw9067 And my only GUESS is that split of a second after the TIG passes the oxygen all around contaminates the extremely hot and soft weld.
I’d say the frame cracked because lack of penetration or dirty steel, possibly pulled as it cooled. But I’m not having s go either I’m just saying I wouldn’t think that welding it in an environment that is not Argon filled would make stuff all difference as most welders purge then start up so it’s oxygen free anyway. I think a lot of frame problems are $$$ people want the best they can get for stuff all money. I do a lot of stainless 316 and aluminium fabrication at work and even the purest of stainless now has crap coming out of it most likely because it’s all being sourced out of countries that don’t have great quality control
Thanks Mark. I was one of your first viewers watching your in-race analysis. Glad you're still around. Noce video. Did you mention the Chinese wheel manufacturer? I have two sets of Yoeleo wheels, no problems at all with them. Thanks again, love Titanium, maybe some day will do it. 👍🏼
Great one Mark, looking impressive and with the SRAM groupset. fantastic looking Bike.
I am about to order from walty how much info did you have to send to start the process
Thanks
Lynskey Performance does sell some frames on eBay for relatively cheap. Some for under $1000 USD. Few years ago they had top end frames for $700 USD. Great for someone looking for a Ti frame, not so good for those of us that got one at a bike shop. Kind of de-values your bike. They do make good frames, not absolutely 100% perfect.
Interesting theory. We all know bikes are more expensive during spring and summer and can be had cheaper during winter clearance. If I really needed to buy bike in summer, spent money and used bike, then why would I regret my buy, even knowing I paid more than someone during cold season? Buyer's remorse, if only.
Thank you a really good review
Can you tell me what carbon fork you are using?
Nice bike!
Sweet vid mate. Strikes back at the core of why I started watching you in the first place! Plus those circular tubes are just sublime!!
Where did you get the fork? I am interested in ordering one? Does it come with the Waltly frame as well?
Yer cervelos and cannondales? Someone hasn't been watching Hambini recently! Do highly recommend his long engineering breakdown/rant videos he's put up lately if you've got the time. Very nerdy, lots of good info and a fair bit of a laugh!
Pratalax Hambini was complaining about the engineering, not the manufacturing. Suspect they are still being made in Tier 1 factories.
@@ijrm37 Good engineering starts with good design. If I buy a frame for 3000 Dollar and it has a poor bottom bracket fit because of the engineers behind it to cut the cost. Then the frame is garbage. Hambini also mentioned that the cervelo had a bottom bracket that was slightly misalligned and has a cone which is a part of bad manufacturing. I think they are afraid of the open mold frame builders because they offer good prices for theire product. Buy a Hongfu frame and look at the quality ... . Carbon frames are on the market for 10 years now. The prices going up year by year not down, why ? The chinese companies are not stuipid. They evolved over the years and some of them offer a competitive quality. Those guys are blaming them for poor quality because they are afraid of loosing some of the market to them. Its logical. There are also cowboy factories on the market which offer junk frames. If you use google for 10 minutes you will see the good ones.
@@ijrm37 manufacturing tolerances as set by the design team...its all to reduce cost and maximise profits
Hackbini likes to mouth off more than he likes to think imo. Classic example of someone who thinks they're smarter than they really are
@@filipsoltys5504 perhaps...but he does have some important clients that respect his opinions.
What was the cost of the wheels Mark? Buying carbon and alloy in Little NZ is as you know pricey.
Hope you got a replacement gear hanger at the same time as you received the frame. It looks like it is treaded for the 12mm through axles
Interested to know the feedback on this frame a year on? I am looking to have a gravel bike frame made with them.
Great review! What TI finish is this? Brushed right?
Hi Mark, I ve been looking for a new set of carbon wheels. Could you please let us know where you got them? Thank you.
Mark, great video, how about an update if you have had time to ride it!
Your relative absence on RUclips is keenly missed, you do great work!
Great to see the Maves back on YT again..and his lad is getting waay bigger too. 👍
Waltly make real quality bikes. Seriously impressed by the craftsmanship evident in the frames. Highly recommended. I love the way the Factor guy classes carbon factories working for Cervelo, Trek, Giant, Cannondale as first tier, and De Rosa and Pinarello as Second tier. I think there are a few people who would question that.
Hi Jonathan, I'm looking at ordering a Waltly road frame myself. Am fairly knowledgeable with frame design and what I want. Will likely decide my geometry from comparisons in designs I like the look of from Mosaic and a few others. Any tips from your experience?
@@traviswade4851 Best bet is to copy something that works for you. As Waltly is reasonably priced I experimented a little more than I might have done with a more expensive builder, but I'm only talking minor adjustments to pretty standard Italian racing bike geometry (Colnago, Pegoretti). BikeCad is very helpful as China Cycling mentions. For tube sizes, I'm 65kg and went with 35mm TT, 44,5mm DT, 35mm ST, 16mm SS, 26x17 CS and HT 42/52. With 0.9mm PG tubing throughout that works well for a solid but comfortable ride (with 25 or 28mm tyres at 6 bar) but I certainly could also have gone with 31.7 TT and 40 DT and saved a little weight. Regarding fittings etc., I just went for tapered integrated head tube, external cables, and blasted finish. Looks and rides great, and certainly the best frame I have owned (out of Pinarello, Colnago, Merckx and few others). Good luck :)
@@jonathanbird173 Hi thanks for that! Yes I've done similar in terms of copying geometry and reviewing in BikeCad. Has helped and I've learnt a lot. Thanks for the tubing details, I'll do some comparisons for myself and my weight.
+1 for farsports wheels. Great product 👍🏻
A very neat build. If you don't mind sharing. What was the cost break down of your entire build? You did share about the frame, fork, seat post clamp. But not the rest of it :)
I’m sure the guys at Curve will love this video...
There are a couple of articles around the net that say their bikes and wheelsets are made in China.
They are made in china, like most brands though
cheaper than my lynskey .. what brand is that? pretty nice frame .. love to have one like that
Great choice of frame and groupset. Are you using this bike for your pilgrimage to The Tour Down Under?
Yep that's the plan mate.
So it goes steel, aluminum, carbon, magnesium, titanium now? At least price wise?
magnesium? wot?
@@wuthemaurine735 Yes a few companies are working with a special "super magnesium" alloy that is now as resistant to corrosion as aluminum. It is lighter but not as strong as aluminum. I have heard it is somewhere between carbon and aluminum in dampening. I guess we will have to see if it catches on though.
Waltly frame are great value for money. Welding is pretty ordinary and I don’t like the way they do cable entry points but that’s just me. I built up one recently for a guy who races and he loves it and finds it plenty stiff enough. They used to try making frames to light and they had a rep for being a bit noodle but frames today are excellent.
Oh the disc brake facing thing.... my Lynskey had that problem....
hey Mark, what fork you are using for this frame. great build!
So Factor says Pinarello is using a second tier factory !!! .. Not sure Pinarello would like to hear that
I guess not and neither would DeRosa I guess...
I think its bollocks and Cervelo is total dogshit regarding tolerances and geometry - all of their bbs are out of alignment, Hambini blow Dentistovelo apart already.
Guy probably has a dog in this fight
Yeah, I know 4 people who have ordered one. Same small issues with all of them - it is to be expected that something will be slightly out in terms of measurements or tiny details.
Hi Mark, are still happy with your Ti bike from Watly?
I have got a lynsky titanium bike with disc brakes and shimano 105 drive train. The rims are easton carbon fibre, so I'm not sure how they rate in the big picture.
I did work at zipp many years ago and can tell you the early campagnolo wheels are something to stay away from as well as spinergy as they do fail. Spinergy at the rivets, but things have moved along the way from those early days.
I do not like the idea of rim brakes on carbon fibre rims as the prepreg carbon fibre is heat sensitive as I used to true up full disc wheels with a heat gun. Surely, a big long decent at speed, then hitting rim brakes and generating a lot of heat on bends is not a good mixture.
The big thing is what the specification is on the resin used on the rims. I do not think you will ever know, and I have come off my bike at 50mph or 80kph, hiting an oil patch on a bend. I am sure I am not the fastest guy out there, so it's just something to think about.
Sliding on bitumen at 80kph is not a good feeling, and when you see the pros, do it on all sorts of surfaces it is best to avoid that kind of event where possible and still have some fun out there.
which fork and seatpost did you get to go with the frame?
Disagree with Rob. Ive NEVER seen a carbon bike break from power. Ive also never seen a carbon fork fail from a void. What we ALL see though is carbon breaking from being crashed or clamped. We DO see fork steerers snapping from the split ring etching into the steerer from a loose headset OR having spacers put on top of the stem and then the steeerer plug doesnt go down deep enough to protect the steerer.
I also love how Rob said 'second tier factories used by pinarello and de rosa...' lol. #shadethrown
Hi Mark, Went through the comments, I can't see what $90 fork you used? any hints? Cheers!
You can get it straight from Waltly mate. It's their fork. Get in touch with Sumi.
Awesome. Will do! Cheers
Who did you go with for the fork?
something like this but with t47 and external cabels and maby a wishbone will be my next build. this and rapidtitan are one of the only affordable ti frames with thru axles
Looks great I am thinking of doing a Titanium order, what did you pay for your wheels.
Beautiful bike-so good to see you! Doing CF again? Looking good. And Jack is growing fast! Cheers Mate.
Hey Mark, such a well presented informative video. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience. .... 👍
Awesome Vid, I am looking at doing the same thing, what were the wheels that you put on it?
Great bike, and your son looks just like you!
It looks nice 😊
this is awesome!
That frame's finish looks similar to the Stainless steel Otso Warakin I have, I wonder what's the difference between Ti and Stainless Steel besides steel weighing more.
I got on a titanium bike around millennium,
and ever since that material is my first choice.
Especially on bad roads i like the responsiveness,
it’s a smooth but still forward ride,no issues
with corrosion and a nice shiny glance to it.
Although it’s extremely challenging to bring paint
on titanium,it is possible.
And in difference to steel for example the material
isn’t weakened after 30000 km,it still feels like
the first time.I‘d always prefer 3Al2.5V as it is not
as brittle as 4/6 composition.
I can drop a hammer on my tubes and it doesn’t even scratch
Best for heavy use/in the winter/thrown around at the airport.
It’s the bike you’ve always been dreaming of 🚴🏽💦
miticad d Normal way for steel for decades: tubes brazed on lugs with silver solder.
When we got new frames from our sponsor at the beginning of the season the frame was WAY STIFFER
than 10 month later with 25000 km.
That amount of load and pressure was enough to weaken the frame significantly.
In the eighties they began to weld together the tubes directly ,what made them stiffer,but still after heavy use
the frames got weaker and weaker.
Plus due to the asymmetric power unit the rear chainstays got bent so that the rear wheel gets out of true.
miticad d yes,like the frames are „softer“,bending from one site to the other.
Depends on the quality and thickness of the tubes.
With 80 kg + 191cm height you would’nt ride a columbus slx frame - on a descent
you would have experienced strange vibrations at speeds of 70 km/h.
Breaks and cracks are rare,although i’ve seen some,mostly right side chain stays.
Stiffness comes from the head tube,the shorter this tube is,the stiffer is the frame.
The more load you put on steel frames,the more flexible the frame will get.
Bike wheels are not counterbalanced (why not?!every car and motorbike is),so the faster the wheels
are spinning-at some point you have massive vibrations on the handlebar.
Another thing is the heat at production: No matter if you weld the tubes together or you braze them into
lugs: the tubes will be overexposed to heat-tubes will glow orange throughout thermal stress,and that affects
the steel ,whereas Titanium can cope much better with that heat .
So for lugged steel frames it is very important,which percentage is the amount of silver in the silver solder.
The more silver is in the solder,the lower are the temperatures,the less „harm“ will be done to the tubes-think you
call it cold joint
miticad d yes,steel is real!In the eighties you could pay 100bucks on top
and the bike shop would put liquid wax in the tubes to prevent corrosion,what really was
a good idea.Love my chromed Casati steel frame,but only take it out on sunny days.
If you want to check the condition of a steel bike,then take a wire,sling it around the head tube and lead
both ends to the rear drop outs: then you can measure the distance from the wire to the seat tube.
A steel frame will be ok for a new build up when the difference is not more than 3-4mm. 🤙 🚴🏽💦
miticad d right,well done 🚴🏽💦
Whats the source you used for the Chinese carbon wheels?
Is that brushed or sandblasted?
Hi,
What is the weight of the frame?
Thanks.
If these bikes can handle the power Mark puts out then they are certainly good enough for me and my fellow fat office workers. Thanks for sharing.
Where do u get the fork? Is it also from Walty? thanks~
What is the weight on the full (Medium) bike mate?.
How do you find titanium to ride compared to a carbon fiber one without bags on it? Smoother? Similar?
It is smoother. Titanium eats up road buzz very well. I used to be anal about my pant job on my carbon framed Specialized, but now that I have a titanium bike I dont give a fuck what gets on it because it is not going to damage titanium unless I crash.
Much smoother, especially with fatter tyres.
Great video thank you!
I have bought a Waltly frame, and I now have a fantastic Ti bike. Its superb
Its designed to be my Audax bike hopefully I will be on the startline for PBP 2027